Thirty But Seventeen: Episodes 27-28
by abirdword
Woo-jin breaks his promise to be honest and share everything the one moment where it counts the most. This bad decision causes the clues that have been stored up to come cascading down at last on those left behind to sort them out. It’s time for the characters to catch up with the rest of us and realize that all of their pasts are tightly intertwined. And this week each must decide whether they’ll let the question of “if only” hold them back, or if they’ll keep moving forward together.
EPISODE 27: “Farewell song”
As Woo-jin hears Seo-ri call out Soo-mi’s name at ber friend’s memorial, Woo-jin makes the connection and rushes to embrace Seo-ri, the girl he loved when he was young. Seo-ri can’t understand his actions as Woo-jin thanks her for being alive.
But as quickly as Woo-jin’s feelings of relief show themselves, Woo-jin turns cold as she stares into Seo-ri’s face. His hand drops from her shoulder and he curtly tells her to finish saying goodbye to her friend and then walks away.
At a bench outside, a security guard asks the park gardener if he’s seen a young man. The guard explains the man looked like he was going to pass out, but the gardener didn’t see anyone.
Back at Chan’s school, Ri-an hangs a banner ton congratulate Chan on his rowing victory. The school security guard demands that she hangs up the old banner that she’s torn down prematurely to hang her own, but she picks it up and waves it in his face.
“I’m Ri-an,” she tells him, and points to her name on the old banner congratulating her for her first place test score. “I take first place every time. It’s not that interesting.” With that, she scurries away with the old banner.
The victorious Chan is still in the hospital, mulling over the nursing staff’s belief that Woo-jin is Seo-ri’s boyfriend. He tries to reassure himself that it’s just a mistake. Even so, he’s ready to get out of the hospital and talk to both of them. The hospital staff, however, are tired of him wandering out of bed and not resting.
Deok-soo and Hae-beom turn up and help the staff restrain their friend until he has his consultation with the doctor. The doctor turns to his x-rays to show Chan how bad the damage is, but apparently Chan has miraculous healing abilities, because his ankle looks just fine now.
Chan hops into the first cab he can for home, without even allowing his friends to ride along with him. They’re quickly consoled, however, with the promise of delicious seaweed soup in the hospital cafeteria.
Hyung-tae finds Seo-ri’s hospital bed empty after the confrontation he had with her about Soo-mi. He calls Jennifer to ask if she will make sure to take care of Seo-ri when she gets home. He also asks if Jennifer will meet with him later.
The drive home for Woo-jin and Seo-ri is sullen, and Woo-jin makes a point of not even looking at Seo-ri as they head inside. Jennifer welcomes Seo-ri home with condolences and offers her food, but Seo-ri says that she just wants to lie down. Jennifer offers Seo-ri her bed to rest in.
Jennifer notes that Woo-jin looks just as bad as Seo-ri does. He plays it off as fatigue from the long drive, but once Jennifer leaves, Seo-ri asks Woo-jin why he hasn’t been able to meet her eyes since their moment at the columbarium.
He sticks to his fatigue excuse and heads to bed. Once in his room, he slumps to the floor. Finally, he has a moment to consider what’s been on his mind. He considers He considers the events leading up to the discovery of Seo-ri’s identity, and even though Seo-ri is still alive, he feels that same guilt, this time for completely derailing her life.
He recalls each moment where Seo-ri has felt lost in the world, and every time that someone has pointed out that Seo-ri’s life would have been very different if she hadn’t been in the accident. Woo-jin buries his head in his knees as he cries.
Jennifer checks in on Seo-ri, who continues to sleep. Jennifer places a hand on Seo-ri’s shoulder in comfort as she watches over Seo-ri.
Chan finally reaches home and is frantic to find Woo-jin and Seo-ri, but Jennifer tells him that Seo-ri has gone to bed. Chan goes for his uncle’s room instead. He takes a moment to steady himself and plaster a fake grin on his face, but when he swings the door open he finds an empty room.
Woo-jin has made his way to the storage shed. Here he uncovers the rabbit charm from Seo-ri’s bag that he’s been holding on to all this time.
Chan makes his way to the storage shed as well. When he calls out his uncle’s name, he’s shocked to see Woo-jin crying as he sifts through the papers in storage.
Chan hugs his uncle tightly asks his uncle what’s wrong. All Woo-jin can hear is the ringing of the bell that haunts his memories.
Woo-jin trudges back to his room, and Chan now confesses to being scared by Woo-jin’s behavior. Once Woo-jin confirms that Chan’s injury is healed, he is back to dodging the truth and tells Chan that he’s just tired and wants to rest.
Jennifer tries to rouse Seo-ri from sleep, but Seo-ri resists and snuggles in to the bed. Jennifer notes the perspiration at Seo-ri’s brow and dabs at it.
Chan finally finds some answers from Jennifer, who fills him in on Seo-ri and Woo-jin’s trip to the columbarium and Seo-ri’s friend. Chan understands why Seo-ri is feeling so down, but he’s not sure what it is that’s upset Woo-jin.
Chan returns to the storage shed to dig through the boxes, and he realizes that everything is from before Woo-jin moved to Germany to live with Chan and his family.
Chan returns to Woo-jin’s room, to find it empty again. Chan begins to panic at his uncle’s absence, but Woo-jin returns from the bathroom just as Chan’s worry begins to escalate. Chan collapses to the floor in relief.
Chan explains to Woo-jin how his tears in the shed reminded him of the first time he saw his normally smiling uncle crying after he arrived in Germany. Chan tells him that he’s been so relieved that Woo-jin has returned to his normal self, and he’s now terrified that Woo-jin might go back to the sullen version.
Chan refuses to let Woo-jin flee the country again, and goes as far as ripping Woo-jin’s passport in half. Woo-jin’s voice doesn’t rise in anger though, and he just calmly asks Chan if he’ll eat with him.
Woo-jin places egg after egg over Chan’s rice. Chan’s still on edge, and he jumps when Woo-jin gets up to go to the bathroom.
While the boys are at home, Jennifer meets with Hyung-tae as she promised. He’d like to hear from her if Seo-ri has really been doing well during her time at the house.
Jennifer reassures him that Seo-ri’s life has been filled with people who care about her since she arrived at the house. Hyung-tae expresses his frustration for not being there instead. He says that if only he run into her at his apartment, or had found her at the house, or had just not gone abroad…
Jennifer stops him to say that the phrase “if only” makes her sad, because she knows how much people turn to it when they don’t want to deal with a sad reality. Jennifer flashes back to a moment in the past after her husband had died. Meeting with her doctor, Jennifer discovered that she had lost her baby because she had been neglecting her own health while consumed with her grief.
Jennifer says to Hyung-tae that she is a person who has been dealing with the question of “if only” for a long time. And that while it makes her sad, she also thinks it necessary to think about to help process things.
After Jennifer leaves, Hyung-tae’s coworker comes over to apologize for unknowingly revealing Hyung-tae’s lie. “If only I’d known earlier, I wouldn’t have said that.” Jennifer’s words hit home for Hyung-tae, who sighs, “I guess that’s why the words ‘if only’ are sad…”
At home, Chan is on Woo-jin Watch outside his uncle’s door. He’s leaps up to interrogate Woo-jin as he opens his door, but Woo-jin is just headed downstairs to feed Deok-gu.
Woo-jin approaches Jennifer’s door just as Jennifer exits. He asks if Seo-ri is still sleeping, and Jennifer says that she seems to be avoiding processing the news. Woo-jin offers to retrieve a change of clothes for Seo-ri to change into when she wakes.
The next time Woo-jin leaves his room, it’s to speak with Jennifer downstairs. Chan is again nervous about his uncle leaving his sight, but Woo-jin even offers to bring Chan a hot chocolate. Chan looks at the torn passport in his hands, and with that assurance, snuggles into the couch and closes his eyes.
It’s almost five-thirty in the morning, and Seo-ri finally wakes up. Jennifer sleeps on the floor next to the bed.
Chan’s eyes open again as well, much later than he intended. He swings open Woo-jin’s door, but again, the room is empty. This time, however, there’s no sight of Woo-jin in the bathroom, or downstairs either. Chan grabs his phone and calls his uncle.
Seo-ri sits outside with Deok-gu, calling out Soo-mi’s name as she mourns. She’s interrupted by the ringing of Woo-jin’s phone somewhere nearby.
She follows the sound to the storage shed. The door hangs open with the keys in the door. She hesitates, remembering that she’s not supposed to enter, but she spots Woo-jin’s phone behind one of the boxes.
As she bends to pick it up, she notices something among the boxes. She picks up Woo-jin’s drawing of her from the bridge. Seo-ri recognizes herself immediately in the image, and wonders how a drawing of her can be here among Woo-jin’s things.
EPISODE 28: “The truth”
Chan intercepts Seo-ri as she hurtles upstairs to ask Woo-jin about the drawing. Chan asks how she has Woo-jin’s phone, and Seo-ri shares the drawing from the shed that has to be of her. She wonders if Woo-jin pretended not to know her or didn’t recognize her. She can’t understand how he could have drawn this, since Woo-jin was in Germany when she was in high school.
Chan knows that Woo-jin didn’t move to Germany until the summer, and that before that he was here. Seo-ri says that she’s not sure about the accident she was in, but that it’s known as the Cheongan Intersection Car Accident. The name stops Jennifer in her tracks.
Jennifer recalls the first time she heard of that accident. A sobbing young Woo-jin collided with her as she exited a taxi and knocked her to the ground. She waited impatiently outside of the operating room. The hospital turned over the items that had been in her husband’s crushed car, including baby shoes, toys, and a card for her.
In the present, a tear slips down Jennifer’s cheek. Both Chan and Seo-ri are concerned, but Jennifer refuses to drop her guard and admit her suffering. Instead, the entire gang head upstairs to confirm whether Woo-jin has left entirely.
Chan sighs in relief when they find all of Woo-jin’s clothing still in the closet, but as he starts to close the closet doors, Woo-jin’s old art case drops to the floor.
Seo-ri recognizes it immediately from her encounter with Woo-jin on the bus right before the accident. She asks Chan if he has a photo of Woo-jin when he was younger, and he shows her the polaroid of them together. Seo-ri knows now that Woo-jin was the boy on the bus, and she realizes that the pain Woo-jin has suffered with all this time was her supposed death.
Seo-ri whispers out, “I think he left because of me.” Chan tries to reassure everyone that Woo-jin can’t have gone anywhere, because he ripped up his passport. But as Chan flashes the pieces, Jennifer points out that it’s an expired one, not Woo-jin’s current passport.
At the airport, Woo-jin requests a ticket for the next plane headed far away. He clutches the headphones Seo-ri gave him in his hand.
Woo-jin places the earbuds in his ears and tucks the end into his pocket unplugged. The old Woo-jin is officially back.
Seo-ri begins to run, and she and Chan catch a taxi headed for the airport. Seo-ri whispers to herself, “It wasn’t a dream,” and recalls a bleary moment while she was in Jennifer’s bed, when Woo-jin stopped in to see her. Woo-jin told her to keep resting, and then gently kissed her forehead, in farewell.
Woo-jin now sits aboard the plane, passport in hand.
Sweet Deok-gu was the last to see Woo-jin at the house, and Deok-gu howls at the door to protest Woo-jin’s absence. Jennifer finds the worried pup scratching at the bookcase, and when she opens it she discovers a letter left behind for Seo-ri with her rabbit charm.
Chan receives Jennifer’s call, and soon Chan and Seo-ri are headed back to the house instead of the airport.
Meanwhile, the nurses from Seo-ri’s hospital contact Hyung-tae. The man who has been paying Seo-ri’s medical bills is there asking to see Seo-ri right away.
And on the street, a woman picks up the fliers that Seo-ri and Woo-jin sent out looking for her aunt and uncle. The woman recognizes Seo-ri’s aunt’s name, and after puzzling it out, she also recalls the house with the tree where Seo-ri’s aunt used to live.
When they arrive at the house, Seo-ri opens the bookcase door and finds her lost charm. She closes the door behind her to read the note by herself.
Chan stares at the closed bookshelf door for a moment, and then heads to his own room. He huddles on the floor, head on his knees. “Mr. Gong, I thought you were only going to get me a hot chocolate,” he says, as the tears begin to fall.
Seo-ri’s hands shake as she opens the letter Woo-jin left behind for her. In voiceover, Woo-jin tells the story of his one-sided love for Seo-ri. He starts from the very first moment that he saw her on the overpass bridge, “I think the first moment was on my back from the art studio…” He details each moment that drew him to her, her unobservant walks through the neighborhood, misunderstanding the name on her gym uniform, and then that final moment, when he witnessed the accident.
Woo-jin’s story moves to the moment when Seo-ri turned up in his life again, and now we see the moments that Woo-jin sat in Seo-ri’s room, tearfully writing this note. Woo-jin allows himself only a moment of relief in his letter, and then he places the blame for Seo-ri’s losses on himself. His note ends with an apology to Seo-ri, for wanting to be near her and for stealing her time from her.
Hyung-tae arrives at the hospital to confront the mystery man who was paying Seo-ri’s hospital bills. Hyung-tae asks the man who he is, and the man removes his hat at last and looks Hyung-tae in the eyes.
Hyung-tae doesn’t seem to know the man, but I recognize him. It’s the truck driver who caused the bus accident.
Chan finds the brief letter of farewell his uncle left behind for him. He heads downstairs to see Seo-ri, but when he opens her door, he finds that she’s gone too, her phone on the floor.
Seo-ri has returned to the fateful intersection crossing bridge. She thinks of the moment that she told Woo-jin that this place always brought them good things. “You promised you wouldn’t disappear again,” Seo-ri says to herself tearfully.
She slumps to the ground, but looks up when she hears Woo-jin’s voice: “I didn’t leave.” Woo-jin stands before her on the bridge. He hasn’t left the country after all.
Woo-jin says that he couldn’t bear the thought of breaking his promise to her. She rises and embraces him, and they both pull each other close.
Now that she’s read his confession and their history, Woo-jin apologizes again and again. He tells her how he spent the last day trying to figure out what was the right thing to do. And that while he knows everything was his fault, he can’t leave her again. Instead, he’d like to stay by her side, until she is sincerely happy again.
Seo-ri takes Woo-jin’s hand in hers. “Gong Woo-jin. Your name was Gong Woo-jin. What if what you know isn’t the whole story?”
And as Woo-jin’s letter told his story of falling in love with Seo-ri, Seo-ri reveals that she has her own love story to tell. Just as Woo-jin watched her from afar, she also noticed the cute artist playing basketball with his friends (spying on with Deok-gu even). And the crescendo that she drew on the bus window, also for Woo-jin.
In the present, Woo-jin and Seo-ri gaze into one another’s eyes, their hands still clasped tightly.
COMMENTS
There’s so much momentum in the second half of this hour, as clue after clue reveal themselves to the Seo-ri/Chan/Jennifer sleuthing agency dedicated to the case of the missing Woo-jin. After so much set up, this episode was able to deal a walloping punch of emotions with a single heartfelt letter.
The urgency that Seo-ri experienced as she discovered the drawing in the shed gave me shivers, and my goosebumps remained in place from that moment on. I love that she tells Chan and Jennifer right away what she’s found, I love that they put it all together at last, and I love that she has a secret piece of the whole picture that Woo-jin never began to expect.
But I will say it: Woo-jin’s actions sucked. Even though he redeemed himself at the end in the most amazing way, and even though he’s dealing with serious grief, his attempt at noble idiocy did nothing but hurt those close to him. While the fallout with Seo-ri seems to remain minimal, I suspect that Woo-jin will come home to some real enduring consequences to his relationship with Chan.
I think his brief disappearance hurt that much more because we’ve seen so much growth from Woo-jin that for most of the episode, I felt so certain that he hadn’t actually taken off and it was all meant to be misdirection. So my heart sank when we finally saw him at the airport asking for a ticket to anywhere. Thank goodness he made it through to the other side of the panic and came back before that plane took off.
That all said, I loved listening to Yang Se-jong narrate that letter. His voice portrayed the lost little boy that has been lurking inside him all of this time in the most heart-wrenching way. Even though we’ve seen all of the events before, listening to Woo-jin tell it from his perspective, with all of his self-blame and the sparkling memories of falling in love and being crushed… It was beautiful.
The focus on Woo-jin’s absence perhaps unfairly stole away from Seo-ri’s own grief. Seo-ri keeps falling out of sync with the world and those in it. After finally feeling like things were evening out, the revelation of who Seo-ri is puts her out of sync with Woo-jin. For Seo-ri, discovering her friend’s death is a moment of intense mourning. Her survival doesn’t feel like a miracle to her, but a betrayal. All the people in the world who have spent time thinking about how Seo-ri’s life might have been different if it hadn’t been for the accident, she feels those same feelings for Soo-mi.
And for Woo-jin, this discovery is the ultimate relief (for that initial moment at least). This is the wish at the back of his mind, the “if only” he’s been yearning for, the one thing that could solve everything for him. But of course, Woo-jin can’t let that feeling guide him, and instead allows all the remaining “if only” thoughts to cloud the fact that no one can change the past.
Ugh, that moment when Chan discovers his uncle crying in the storage shed was so painful. Woo-jin has been so careful to keep his feelings hidden away from everyone, and this was such a moment of vulnerability. It was such a good moment for Woo-jin, and yet I couldn’t help but feel like it was unfair to Chan. Chan is still young, and he’s been asked to care for his uncle’s feelings first and foremost constantly. Now this means pushing his own feelings for Seo-ri (as unrequited and doomed as they may be) out of the way, even as he suspects his uncle of having the same feelings for the same woman. It feels so unfair. Chan shouldn’t be asked over and over again to be the adult, especially when it means never getting to see his own feelings to their conclusion.
Chan kept swinging open Woo-jin’s door and finding the room empty, and Chan’s only assumption is that his uncle has left the country. It’s clear that Woo-jin has been selfishly abandoning those who care about him for a long time, so frequently that it’s the first thing Chan assumes about him. I think this may be a turning point in Chan’s affable tolerance.
Jennifer’s talk with Hyung-tae was also so important. Sometimes Jennifer feels like the chorus of a play, talking to the audience and keying us in to the main themes of the story. The moment she calls out Hyung-tae for saying “if only” is important for him to hear, but also important for everyone else.
Everyone wants to go back and change the past so badly, that they can’t see the good in the situation they are in. Things are complicated, but they’ve found one another. It’s especially poignant because Jennifer doesn’t lecture Hyung-tae so much as she admits that she too is still struggling with this “if only” problem. And many have guessed at it, but finally we know for sure that the bus accident also took Jennifer’s husband’s life. The baby shoes in the car with him seemed just too cruel. Ugh, my heart aches.
Hyung-tae’s “our Seo-ri” makes my heart feel heavy every time he says it. At first, I was a little concerned when Hyung-tae basically disappeared from the episodes for weeks. But now, that absence proved itself super effective. Because now you can really feel that Hyung-tae is not part of Seo-ri’s family. Even though he has known her the longest, he’s an outsider. She is not “our Seo-ri” to him at all.
Seo-ri’s response to Woo-jin on the bridge gave me chills. We’ve only seen a small, momentary blip of a flashback, but we’ve been anticipating learning Seo-ri’s side of the love story for a while now. Just as Woo-jin knew Seo-ri from afar, she’d been watching him too. And that crescendo she drew in the fog on the bus window? Absolutely aimed at Woo-jin, just as her more recent one one was.
I think this really would have been an amazing finale moment. And if this were the last episode, I wouldn’t have to witness all the unavoidable fallout with Chan that’s going to go down. If you don’t see a recap from me next week, know that it’s because I’ve decided to rewrite the show and have left it at this beautiful revelation.
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1 Miranda
September 13, 2018 at 8:19 PM
I thought Woo Jin's reaction to his discovery was pretty well-done. Don't undersell shock reactions - retreat into old patterns is utterly understandable, and he certainly pulled out of it in time, so I think it comes out even. When something big hits you, you do not necessarily register it sanely. You do weird things, you react in odd ways that you look back on and seem insane, and you fall back on old habits. He relapsed for a day. That's allowable.
And I don't think that Chan will hold it against him for long. This is not the time for Chan to make it all about him, frankly. His uncle, who came back to take care of him and consistently shows care and concern for Chan, had a relapse. But it's a known issue, Chan certainly had a good idea where it was going, it's the longevity of the retreat that would've been heartbreaking. Chan will forgive him a quick return to sanity (though will also probably take custody of his passport and regard 'cocoa' as a code word).
I really liked this episode. Lots of people putting clues together and overcoming quite big hurdles for even better reasons.
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okiejune
September 14, 2018 at 6:06 AM
Thanks for your comment, I think you're absolutely right!
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kd6606
September 14, 2018 at 8:07 PM
I totally agree.
I thought his reaction just made sense and his growth pulled him out if in the end. It fit the story.
And Chan, he is just great. His love and concern for his uncle wrung my heart!
I love this drama!
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2 doubt_no_more
September 13, 2018 at 8:31 PM
I knew it they are each others crush. As much as I felt relived with the revelation, I knew Woo Jin won't take Seo Ri's being alive well. He have been plagued with guilt for so long it won't be easy to heal, when Seo Ri herself is the center of it. I was mad for a second when he decided to leave anyway, when he promised many episodes ago that he won't leave her anymore. Glad he sticks to the promise.
Btw what is the meaning of crescendo? I understand the word in the context musical notes, but I can't seem to relate in Seo Ri's interpretation.
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Sotong
September 14, 2018 at 4:52 AM
I am guessing crescendo means the increased intensity of her feelings. Or her heart beating faster and faster for him. Ba Dum Ba Dum Ba Dum Ba Dum BaDum BaDum
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doubt_no_more
September 14, 2018 at 5:36 AM
I see....I missed the part of "intensity of her feelings". I understand crescendo as "increased intensity" but without the word "her feelings" I was left hanging with the meaning. Thank you for clarification 😊
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whichwitch42
September 14, 2018 at 5:27 AM
Hi! I don't usually post (even though I read All The Things)– but I adore this metaphor so here's what I read it as:
A crescendo, particularly one that doesn't have an accompanying diminuendo, is all about increasing intensity and emotional expression. It's the "shout" of a musical phrase, usually marking the most important thematic moment, and it requires a lot of energy. To mark someone as your "crescendo" is to say that they are an important theme in your life, the emotional heart of your experience.
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doubt_no_more
September 14, 2018 at 5:41 AM
That is one nice way to put. Since Seo Ri is a violinist, everything she do revolves around musical notes, so to naming Woo Jin as her crescendo is beautiful and Seo Ri like. I also have forgotten that when we like someone the feeling intensifies, which is why I cant relate with her 'marking'. Thank you for the explanation 😊
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KDrama With Maggi
September 14, 2018 at 6:48 PM
That's a beautiful way of phrasing the metaphor. :)
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3 LT is Irresistibly Indifferent and reminded of the slow march of death
September 13, 2018 at 8:35 PM
I also thought that Woo-jin's disappearance was a fake-out - especially since the last time he did this he just went and talked to his Dad about the house. I half-hoped he'd just gone to get her Aunt in an attempt to make up for his guilt by rebuilding her family. But, no, he regressed.
I personally find the regression good characterisation though. Don't we all regress and fall back into bad habits when times get hard? Don't we all have to catch ourself and stop ourselves from doing it? Yes, he tried to leave but he caught himself and came back. I find that more realistic than TV people who have solid upward character growth and never backslide.
I know it's weird but I smiled through this whole episode. It's not that I didn't feel for the characters, it's that I knew there was no way Woo-jin was actually going to leave and I was just smiling waiting for them to reconnect and talk it out. I only wish that Seo-ri had responded to his declaration of guilt that what happened to her was NOT his fault. In any way. It's about time he heard that.
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okiejune
September 14, 2018 at 6:10 AM
She'll let him know it wasn't his fault next week :) - it's like we're left holding our breath each week waiting for the resolutions of all these heartbreaking situations..
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Miranda
September 14, 2018 at 10:39 AM
I actually really liked that it didn't turn into a familiar "it was my fault"/"it wasn't your fault" binary, because that's what he's been hearing from his therapist and family all along and he's probably a little numb to it. Instead Seo Ri picked up on a completely different angle, one he's never in a million years considered, which is that she was just as aware of him as he was of her.
And if you go down that path - isn't she the one who first talked to him on that bus? It's completely possible that she knew exactly where she was going that entire time, but looked for an excuse to talk to her crush. He's hinged half of his life on the idea that he told a girl to stay on the bus an extra stop and it got her killed, but what if she always intended to get off at that stop and asked a very typical "excuse to talk to a boy" question just because she saw a chance?
So I like that rather than picking up on the one point in time and saying it's not his fault, Seo Ri instead backs ALL the way up to say that there was a whole different storyline happening that he had no idea of and no influence on. It really puts his obsession over a single instance in perspective.
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javinne
September 14, 2018 at 1:27 PM
I like very much what you say. She may had not been lost at all, but wanted to talk to him at the bus, so, in fact... even though it is no one's fault she got into the accident, not even the man who has been paying for her, one could say it was then her fault that she stayed longer in the bus because she also wanted to meet him.
Yet, living plagued with guilt makes no one happy and cannot help you to heal or even live.
I hope not only Woo jin will learn to let go the guilt he has, but Jeniffer and the truck driver... I think seo ri is the one who can make that possible.
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4 Ronilena
September 13, 2018 at 8:36 PM
I am loving the current trend in dramas of shows taking time to set up the characters and really let the viewers sink into who they are. I know lots of beanies feel this makes the show drag but, honestly, I feel it makes our connection to these characters deeper and more sincere as we totally understand the skin they are in. The show doesn't have to spend loads of time distracting viewers with unnecessarily dramatic and overblown conflicts, it can set something up and let it play out over many episodes, just like things do in real life. This show is such a great example of how you can have a drama built entirely around people viewers will enjoy (no villians!) but still have complete emotional buy in and investment. I hope we see many more like it.
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rentenmann
September 14, 2018 at 3:44 AM
And I think this cast has done a fabulous job in getting these characters and then showing them to us. I am sad there's so few episodes left. I could watch more of them being themselves every day!
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doubt_no_more
September 14, 2018 at 5:47 AM
I love the lack of dramatic and unnecessary plot in this drama. It makes me able to appreciate each characters more, and enjoy the story slowly. I love that I can just sit back and watch my beloved characters just interact with each other. I am highly satisfied!
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javinne
September 14, 2018 at 1:37 PM
"I am loving the current trend in dramas of shows taking time to set up the characters and really let the viewers sink into who they are"
Me too!!!!!😍
I am crazy about this show because it is taking its time to let us know the characters, and in that way they create the connection among them and also with us.
Very very beautiful. 🙂
I felt it in A poem a day, and also in Your House Helper. Very good job. Here is also a very palpable thing. Some people call that a "slow pace", some people may think it is boring, but I feel really comfortable with it.
And think about it, a slow pace is not a lack of plot.
Many people complain with WWWSK, because apparently it had not much of a plot... But in this case, I think we have a deep plot, even with secrets and a relatively few surprises, and also a plot that involves healing, and healing takes time...
Do we have really here 40 episodes??
Anyway, I think here the pace is good. Sometimes faster rather than slower, but consistent, and yes, I love we get to know the characters so well. It is very nice. We are already in love with them, and I am sure (at least taking for myself) I will miss this show a lot once it's over 😞
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therevels
September 15, 2018 at 2:01 AM
agree with you but unfortunately thirty but seventeen is only have 36 episodes
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javinne
September 15, 2018 at 2:21 AM
Weird. In Wikipedia when you look at its ratings, which comes in a chart the days it has been aired and the days it will still be, and it says 40 episodes. 🤔
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chousaurus
September 16, 2018 at 4:33 PM
yes!! i love it when dramas have deep characterization and make you fall in love with all the characters! i think the last time i saw a drama do this really well was romantic teacher doctor kim and i <3 that drama lol
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5 liar song #PuppyNotPuppyLeeJaeWookIsBack
September 13, 2018 at 8:41 PM
Thank God Noble Idiocy decided to just make a one-episode cameo.
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LT is Irresistibly Indifferent and reminded of the slow march of death
September 13, 2018 at 8:44 PM
RIP Noble Idiocy.
You will not be missed.
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Mimu
September 13, 2018 at 9:18 PM
I really appreciate the writers for this Coz Noble idiocy is not our cup of tea. 🤣🤣
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javinne
September 14, 2018 at 3:18 AM
I know.... i was expecting it, and I understand @abirdword for being mad at woo jin, but... I was really relieved it was only for a few hours... really... It was basically just one episode and not even the whole time. So....
I am grateful.
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Lixie
September 14, 2018 at 7:09 AM
Guys, but it isn't noble idiocy.
Noble idiocy happens when someone does something for another even at personal cost. WJ left because HE could not deal with his guilt. HE knew they needed him there and still left. Then he comes back again because HE needed her. Selfish brat is the one who is still seventeen. Chan is far more mature.
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Miranda
September 14, 2018 at 10:50 AM
Chan is a mature 17 year old, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. He's an emotionally well-adjusted, naturally sunny, empathetic kid. But he's still a kid.
I do think Woo Jin was employing noble idiocy here, because a lot of his inward-facing disgust was that he had caused Seo Ri to fall in love with him not knowing he'd ruined her life. He knows how lovely she is and that she'd likely try to keep loving him, despite his past. Is any of this rational? No! But we already know that Woo Jin has a deep well of self-hatred and guilt around this particular incident, so I get him.
One of the things that I find endearing about Woo Jin is that no matter how much he tries to be cold and reserved, he really can't stop himself from caring and showing that care. Once Chan and Seo Ri got entangled in his life, there really was no way he could leave without quickly getting pulled back in; he's so powerfully motivated by guilt and duty that he would've lasted all of two days in another country before coming back.
Now selfish? The aunt is a prime example of selfishness, so far. Maybe we'll hear more about her motivations, but right now she appears to have abandoned her niece and sold off her assets. That's selfish.
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Lixie
September 14, 2018 at 11:13 AM
I know Chan is still a kid. :)
Ok, he imagined she would have forgiven him, how does that give him the right to choose for her? How does he become unworthy or how is her choice wrong? Why must HE make the call unless HIS feelings are the ones that take precedence? That is the question I think everyone ignored here, he doesn't get to make that call and leave them both without being selfish. I'll say again, noble idiocy happens when someone thinks the other is better without the person leaving. She wouldn't be better without him, not at that moment at least.
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Miranda
September 14, 2018 at 6:33 PM
It doesn't, but people freak out for very weird reasons. And this entire freakout's been foreshadowed really well: we know he wallowed in guilt for over a decade because he thought his influence had killed a girl, he avoided making friends for that same reason, then he DID make a friend and when he realized he might have lined her up to get hurt (the festival) he nearly gave himself an aneurism working through THAT, and now he's realized that the girl he thought he killed is not actually dead but he still robbed her of her family and life's purpose.
So for 24 hours he had a pretty intense, throwback, regressive freakout. The good thing is that he was able to fight his way out of it a lot faster, probably because he previously had worked through a lot of those traps during the festival freakout.
Noble idiocy is making a one-sided decision for the good of another person, while incurring damage yourself. It's a really stupid effort at being noble exactly because it doesn't take most of the situation into account. Noble acts are sacrifices that impact only you; the idiocy comes in when removing yourself actually has a ton of collateral damage.
LT is Irresistibly Indifferent and reminded of the slow march of death
September 14, 2018 at 5:49 PM
But I mean, Noble Idiocy is essentially self-serving. That's why it's so annoying. If "leaving for your own good" was for their own good it would be actual nobility and we wouldn't need to add the idiocy. It happens when a person is so caught up in their own emotions that they can't see the other persons'.
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Lixie
September 14, 2018 at 6:30 PM
You do have a point. There is a good article somewhere online that is all about what people sometimes call noble idiocy is often just noble because characters did the right thing.
Maybe there is a middle ground? Are watching Familiar Wife? I think what the guy did is the essence of noble idiocy. He chooses something that benefits his wife in a way but also cheats her of something else so it's noble but possibly idiotic at the same time. He might qualify for noble idiot. :) Also I guess a difference in TBS would be that usually the noble idiot does something he believes is in the other's best interest, but I wasn't quite sure WJ ever even believed that.
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LT is Irresistibly Indifferent and reminded of the slow march of death
September 14, 2018 at 6:36 PM
Oh no, I think he genuinely believed that if she found he was "responsible" for her coma that him being around would hurt her. He was trying to save her the pain his presence might cause her.
It's not that I give him a pass so much as understand that he acted reflexively. He's been living with this guilt for so long - and has refused to deal with it for so long -that it overwhelmed him and he acted without thinking.
Bear in mind he didn't tell a single other person about this - not his family, not his friends. Only his therapist. So he had nobody tell him this wasn't his fault except for a professional he literally paid to say that.
I haven't seen Familiar Wife so I can't comment on it in that.
Lixie
September 14, 2018 at 7:31 PM
I think you just made the rest of the show a lot easier for me. I'll go with this explanation, he really believed she would be hurt by his mere presence and ran. I like him better already.
Miranda
September 14, 2018 at 6:39 PM
Yep. A noble act would be getting a wedding invite to the wedding of your best friend (and longtime one-sided love), and RSVPing by sending a lovely gift and a card but saying you'll be on business and instead going to the beach and moodily drinking alone while looking out at the ocean. Hurts you, but doesn't hurt anyone else.
Noble idiocy is getting laid off the morning of your wedding, hopping a flight to Canada and getting a telegram sent to your bride telling her she's too good for you and you won't drag her into poverty with you, and not to try to find you in the wilds of Ontario where you've gone hoping to be devoured by a bear. Hurts literally everyone else, including the bear that will probably get shot when it rightly mauls you.
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chousaurus
September 16, 2018 at 4:34 PM
+ 100000
it was well needed and understandable, but glad it lasted how long it did haha
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6 Hanyuja
September 13, 2018 at 8:47 PM
I was so scared to watch this episode bc of previews from the last episode... if this whole episode was going to be woojin’s Noble idiocy and the episode ended with woojin about to leave on the plane....... ugh. I actually snuck watched the last 10secs of the episode to see if it ended in a bad spot, and if it did, I wasn’t going to watch it!! Sooo happy the way it ended that I felt brave to watch it. Amiweird.
I wanted to mention the strategic usage of the banmal at the end... woojin and seori always used jondae even as they started dating officially, and I was wondering when they would use the casual banmal... when woojin’s letter was in banmal for the first time, it felt like a punch in the gut for me. It was the first acknowledgement that they knew each other as kids, and therefore were ‘friends’. And when he returned he started saying sorry in the jondae... then switched over to banmal as he addressed their past... but for me the crowning moment was when seori replied back at the end with banmal... she doesn’t talk to anyone in banmal except the dog!! And when she called him by name at her last line.... ‘what if what woojin knows isn’t all of the story?’ Ah the translation makes it clunky but I got shivers at that line and rewatched that over and over.
Lovely episode!
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suk
September 14, 2018 at 12:46 AM
I really appreciate how you pointed this out! I also noticed when they switched to banmal in reference to the past, and it brings them that much closer with the new realizations.
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javinne
September 14, 2018 at 1:43 PM
And I am a loser who cannot distinguish banmal from jondae 😂😭😖😓 of course I don't know Korean.... 😑 I wish I knew.... Anyway....
Thank you for pointing it out
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7 Hanyuja
September 13, 2018 at 8:52 PM
Also! I was so sure that the bouncer that ran into Jennifer in front of the hospital during th flashback was hyungtae...smaller frame. Anybody else think this?
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Hanyuja
September 13, 2018 at 8:55 PM
Er boy, not bouncer....... autocorrect wants a different drama
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rentenmann
September 14, 2018 at 3:46 AM
LOL at autocorrect writing its own story!
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Mimu
September 13, 2018 at 9:17 PM
That's for sure was young Hyung Tae. No doubt in that.
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abirdword
September 14, 2018 at 5:45 AM
Ah, good catch! I let that rain deceive me, exactly like the show wanted.
And that makes this growing connection between Hyung-tae and Jennifer more meaningful. I really love how the show folds everyone together. 💛
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8 LT is Irresistibly Indifferent and reminded of the slow march of death
September 13, 2018 at 8:58 PM
I think we're now in a toss-up between #BridgeCouple and #CrescendoCouple.
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frabbycrabsis loves KBS Drama Specials
September 14, 2018 at 12:37 AM
Alliteration totally wins. BridgeCouple kinda sounds like they competitively play Bridge together.
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September 14, 2018 at 12:39 AM
I like #BridgeCouple from a metaphorical standpoint but I agree - alliteration wins. Plus, it's musical.
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okiejune
September 14, 2018 at 6:17 AM
Bridge is also a music term - "Lyrically, the bridge is typically used to pause and reflect on the earlier portions of the song or to prepare the listener for the climax." (from Wikipedia).
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Cocoa, The Fake Poet of February
September 14, 2018 at 7:04 AM
Now that makes me think it’s a fan fiction where the F4 boys from the new MG end up together
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frabbycrabsis loves KBS Drama Specials
September 14, 2018 at 10:13 AM
Immediately what I thought of. I can't believe how bad the new Meteor Garden is - like, even Boys Over Flowers Korea is better.
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bong-soo
September 14, 2018 at 7:14 PM
The Bridge (really an overpass) is such an important location in Thirty BUT SEVENTEEN. Apologies if this has already been posted. Here it is. It is one of the locations for 30B17 on our own beanie @michh Mich's great site:
https://koreandramaland.com/listings/overpass-sapyeong-daero/
Click on the title and visit other locations in the drama including Woo-jin's house.
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9 Mimu
September 13, 2018 at 9:16 PM
The revelation at the end just made my day and made it the bestest episode till now. I had guessed that he was her crush too. He was her crescendo. They were fated to be together from the very beginning.❤️
Such an emotional roller coaster, heart touching, beautiful episode it was! Can't wait for the next one!
I thought it was her uncle who paid the bills, now that we know it isn't and the person who was responsible for the accident iwas paying the bills. It makes her aunt and uncle look like selfish, horrible people who better have a good reason for abandoning Seo Ri.
Poor Jennifer, poor Seo Ri and poor Woo Jin. One accident and so many life's got affected. My heart is aching for each and everyone of them, Woo Jin, Seo Ri, Chan, the truck driver, the doctor friend Hyung Tae and even more for the poor Jennifer who lost both her husband and baby due to the shock!
This drama explores missed chances, lost time, the debilitating aftermath of guilt and atonement.
I'm glad they ended on a good note. I didn't want to deal with angst for the entire week. I love the different forms of love they have shown in this show and how love heals. And then how they have showed that family is not just about blood.
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javinne
September 14, 2018 at 1:49 PM
Well, we know that her uncle's company went into bankruptcy. And now that we know the truck driver is the one paying... where is the uncle???
The aunt (and I feel she is not blood related to Seo ri, I mean, her uncle was her legal guardian, which makes me think, he was the brother of either her mother or dad, and her aunt was her uncle's wife) sold the house, because the husband was no more... can it be the uncle also died???
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ar_arguably romantic
September 15, 2018 at 1:42 PM
That's what I suspect. A few episodes ago, Hyung-tae mentioned something to the effect that it was not possible to reach out to Seo-ri's uncle. My new theory is that after learning that the company went bankrupt, the uncle probably killed himself. Creditors probably came after the aunt, so she sold the house to pay them off and ran away.
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10 earthna
September 13, 2018 at 9:21 PM
Just finished watching this episode like 5 minutes ago so I will sound emotional. My thoughts might change in like an hour but yeah.
I know this was such a big trauma for Woo-jin too but I just don't like how he kept being the centre of it all. Seo-ri couldn't even properly grieve for Su-mi because Woo-jin broke down. Chan couldn't even say his feelings out because he was worried for his uncle. It just rubs me the wrong way how these people had to put aside their intense emotions to cater to Woo-jin. Then he disappeared. Seriously, dude? Okay, he came back but I was already so mad, I didn't appreciate that ending at all.
I hope they address this. It's gonna hurt to see Chan hurt but Woo-jin needs to understand the consequences of his actions. I don't want him to be forgiven so easily. I hate that I don't like the drama as much now but that's what I feel right now.
Hyung-tae breaks my hurt just as much as Chan does. Chan's friends are so cute wearing their medals everywhere though. My kids at day care do that too and I find it cute. Thanks for the recap!
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okiejune
September 14, 2018 at 6:22 AM
I felt more like they were all putting each other first, they way a family does. The focus on who needs to be put first changes over time, but everyone eventually has a turn. For this episode, it was Seo Ri and then Woo-jin.
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NiceGuys
September 17, 2018 at 2:12 AM
"I felt more like they were all putting each other first, they way a family does."
I can't give a thumbs up right now but just wanted to say that I totally agree.
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11 SooHa
September 13, 2018 at 9:25 PM
I can't stop crying while watching this episode. Too much emotion!
Now we know, why Deok-gu/Fang like Woo-Jin. He met him since log ago!
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12 Eries be the Light
September 13, 2018 at 9:50 PM
If only monday woukd come faster 😁
Still amaze how similar the young version of Woo Jin with the adult version, I can picture the adult Yoon Chang Young be as handsome as Yang Se Jong.
From the start, it's Chan who always be mature, and Chan always said that he would taking care of his uncle. Chan and his mother tearing up when Woojin slowly back to his old self really touching moment. And yes, poor Hyung Tae. I can feel how his feeling toward SeoRi, how he is trying so hard to be a doctor, just to realize that he never be in tje same page with Seori. That's really sad.
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13 jillian
September 13, 2018 at 9:50 PM
I hate to see what will be Chan's reaction when Woo Jin shows up again. He broke that sweet Chan's heart when he suddenly disappeared again. WJ has a lot of making up to do with Chan.
I felt in this episode that as much as Chan loves SR, his Uncle will always come first. I imagine that it was an absolute betrayal when WJ lied to him and disappeared and his big heart broke into tiny little pieces. I hated WJ then when Chan broke down and cried.
I sure hope that Chan will be mad at him and make him grovel for putting him through that heart ache.
I am glad that WJ's noble idiocy only lasted this episode and decided to face the consequences head on.
Oh that "If only" scene. Most everyone is a slave of their past. It would take herculean strength for them to get moving and live in the "now". Hopefully the remaining episodes will deal with them healing and shedding the shackles of their past so that they can move forward to a better and happier life.
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rentenmann
September 14, 2018 at 3:52 AM
I really liked the "if only" scene, too. I would think it hits home for all of us, as I know I play that unhealthy game a lot. It was a good wake up call!
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okiejune
September 14, 2018 at 6:25 AM
Yaaaaassssss!!!! It's a sign of a fabulous drama when the characters and story make us reflect on our own lives and history!
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javinne
September 14, 2018 at 1:52 PM
Totally agree. I tell myself many times I wish I would turn back time. I would have done some things differently.
And now I just have to keep on living and learning to live with the consequences of my acts.
It is a process.
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jillian
September 14, 2018 at 6:37 AM
That is true. In this show especially with Jennifer, Hyung Tae and Woo Jin.
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Lixie
September 14, 2018 at 7:05 AM
Well, it wasn't noble idiocy at all. It was just simple selfishness. He can't deal with the guilt he imagined he had, so he ran away again. Later he realizes he loves her more than his guilt so he comes back and again it's selfish.
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jillian
September 14, 2018 at 7:30 AM
For me, he left since he felt that SR wouldnt be able to live with him if she found out the truth. He put SR's needs first since he doesnt feel SR should move out alone when he just found out that her family abandoned her. Its not selfishness.
When he did return, his reason was because he promised that he would leave again. Even if it was painful for him, he returned and faced the repercussions of that confession letter.
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Lixie
September 14, 2018 at 8:01 AM
I think that's very patronizing of him, he never gave her the chance to know what he did and respond, he just left a letter, he decided for her. And even if that is maybe what he told himself I think his actions showed it was because of him first. Everything he wrote on the letter spoke of how guilty HE was, not how it would be impossible for her to keep being around him. About the promise, again, he said a lot more about how he needed to be there, and he faced her because he found out on the plane leaving was hurting him even more.
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sal
September 15, 2018 at 5:27 AM
I think when you facing your mental demons, it is hard to really think out of your head and about others... He needed to face his guilt before he could pay attention to So ri. He have had this guilt so many years, that it hit him hard when it was in his face. I am also sure next episode we gonna see of she reacting to loosing her friends and him being there for her. we know he really care for her.
ar_arguably romantic
September 15, 2018 at 1:44 PM
Woo-jin better bring back a cup of that hot chocolate he said he was going to get.
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14 suk
September 14, 2018 at 12:53 AM
In classical music, the crescendo indicates excitement in the musician's heart. It is a rising in dynamic, a blooming of sound that simultaneously creates anticipation while traveling into climax. Crescendo represents the elation of uncovering suppressed emotion and expression. I love how Seo-ri uses crescendo to communicate her love for Woo-jin. It's perfect.
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rentenmann
September 14, 2018 at 3:55 AM
THANK YOU for the explanation to my uneducated self when it comes to music! I knew it was a general increase, just not the extra meaning. Nice!
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whichwitch42
September 14, 2018 at 5:31 AM
And this is why I should read ALL of the comments before posting. Sigh. Yes this.
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15 tesshan
September 14, 2018 at 12:56 AM
wow...really wow. Loved the episode. Painful but rewarding. Very sad to discover that Jennifer lost her husband and baby and just like Mr. Gong she feels guilty because of her actions and she feels like she does not deserve happiness.
The truck driver was a surprising twist. I really thought it was uncle (aka the emperor of Joseon in Mr. Sunshine...tin my mind, hat is where he is located). This means that SR's family really abandoned her in that facility without bothering to check on her. Quite sad.
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tesshan
September 14, 2018 at 12:57 AM
*in my mind, that is where he is located
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Kafiyah Bello
September 14, 2018 at 5:00 AM
I'm glad it was the truck driver, if it was her uncle it would have made me mad.
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16 tinyowl
September 14, 2018 at 2:53 AM
As others have said, I feel that why Woojin's decision to run away wasn't a good one, it was very natural. He spent 13 years running away from his guilt, so it makes sense that he'd try to do it again. It's a show of his growth that he came back before it was too late.
I think his relationship with Chan will be fine, provided he's honest and shares a bit of his history with him. Chan doesn't know about Woojin's trauma, he only knows that something happened when he was young to turn his uncle from bright to gloomy. Woojin didn't share anything beyond that. So I think that if they have a nice talk, it'll be fine.
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tinyowl
September 14, 2018 at 2:54 AM
also I think something must have happened to Seori's uncle. I don't think they'd have killed him off given that Seori has enough trauma as it is but something is going on.
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tesshan
September 14, 2018 at 6:51 AM
Definitely. But I hope SR's is not going to forgiving them easily. They abandoned her...emotionally and financially.
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tinyowl
September 14, 2018 at 11:37 PM
Yeah I hope it's not neatly wrapped up from the minute they meet. There needs to be some consequences, I think.
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17 rentenmann
September 14, 2018 at 3:28 AM
Oh this episode had me crying. It was gorgeous, even though it dragged me through the gamut of emotions I normally do anything to avoid. The cast is wonderful and I am thrilled with my decision to watch it. I had no idea it was going to be a show with such heavy subjects dealt in this way, as I thought it was a comedy of sorts...? Everyone involved seems to have dealt with the subject matter in a loving way toward each character; I lost it when they even showed the dog's perspective. Woo-jin leaving was hard to watch, as I feel like most people would do what he did; it made his return that much better to see that he didn't want to go back to his old, taciturn self stuck in "if only" hell.
I think I will watch this well-crafted series many more times. Even if next week's episodes are also heart-wrenching, I want to see how they deal with the Chan fall-out. It needs to be addressed, he deserves to be heard by the one who's forced him to grow up too fast.
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18 Kafiyah Bello
September 14, 2018 at 4:57 AM
Omg, you nailed it. Our poor poor Chan, he was heartbreaking this episode, what Woo Jin did was beyond messed up. He should have decided to stay for Chan, not Seo Ri, because although romantic, it wasnt very nice. I can imagine how traumatising it is for a 6 yr old to see his favorite person broken down, and to have to revisit that would bring back painful memories.
In addition he stole part of Seo Ri's grieving time, which is unfair.
However to be fair to Woo Jin, I will say his flight mode kicked in and he just couldn't help himself.
What a wonderful past two episodes.
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19 welh
September 14, 2018 at 5:44 AM
"For sale: baby shoes, never worn."
This is the greatest (shortest) six word short story attributed to Ernest Hemingway.
Of all the main characters, Jennifer lost the most in the bus accident. Even though the show has focused on WJ's trauma, Jennifer's entire life has been frozen from that event. Only after meeting SR has she begun to thaw.
The truck driver may have been negligent in causing the bus accident, but he went beyond normal compensation and responsibility to pay SR's bills for his personal redemption. The aunt and uncle cannot be redeemed because they intentionally abandoned SR. The sad lesson here is that at times strangers are more trustworthy than your own family.
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20 Kay
September 14, 2018 at 5:45 AM
I love this episode and how the big revelations are handled, how lovely the main leads reconciliation, not dragging our their (and the audience) pain.
I'm really impressed by YSJ, it is my first time watching his drama. So much so that I am watching Temperature Love now, and can't wait to start Duel next to see how he handles a different character.
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21 Lixie
September 14, 2018 at 7:01 AM
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22 Lixie
September 14, 2018 at 7:23 AM
I guess I can say this was the worst ep of this show. Hated it.
People mess up, they make mistakes, learn from it, get better. Not WJ though, he has had 13 years of self alienation and therapy but learnt almost nothing from it. It was one innocent mistake and he just can't deal with the consequences. Even after all it seemed he had learned, as soon as he was faced again with the victim, he chose to run. Yes, I know, temporarily, but his reasons to get back are wrong as well. He leaves his teenager nephew who adores him and who is HIS responsability and new girlfriend who, understandably, is quite emotionally dependent of him and gets on a plane. Totally irresponsable and selfish. Then he gets back, not because they need him but because he loves her too much, it's again about what HE wants and needs. They deserve better.
And to make it even sillier instead of making him deal with the situation show chooses to make her be interested in him in the past and will probably say that's the reason she got in or chose to stay on the bus which completely takes away any blame he might imagine he had in it. Just grow up show!
Ok, sorry. small rant over.
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javinne
September 14, 2018 at 2:21 PM
I understand your rant, and will agree with it, at least in what it has to do with Chan (although I am expecting him to talk and apologise to Chan as well). But try to focus maybe in Woo jin's circumstances or character.
I don't know if it is a matter of culture, but when I pay attention to the statistics, and I know the suicidal rate in Japan, Korea and these Asian countries is so high, then I kind of understand easier how these people cannot deal with guilt and high expectations in a very healthy way. And being unable to cope, many will kill themselves.
I am not saying Woo jin will kill himself... But I am not surprised he was not able to deal with his trauma for so long.
I come from a sunnier and way more open culture where we talk, we hug everybody, we say hello with a kiss even to strangers, and we say whatever we want to, but I also have my traumas from the time I was a child and a teen, and it took me years to talk about it and I am still trying to recover. I have done therapy, but still. I have paid for it, but still... It is very hard. And Woo jin's trauma may not seem to have been a big deal, but it was for him. I understand he has suffered and I understood he didn't know how to cope with it.
Selfishness as the reason to come back? I am not sure. I think it seems like that because he was focused on Seo ri at that moment, but I am sure he also thought about Chan, the house, his job, and everything while wanting to run away.
Just at the moment when he found seo ri in the bridge, he then focused in his love for her and wanting to make her happy. He even said it. He wants her to be happy although she cannot recover the years she lost.
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Lixie
September 14, 2018 at 4:09 PM
Thanks for understanding, javinne, anyway it's not rare for me to have some completely different ideas about kdramas then most beanies.
I think the drama correctly showed us he was never over the major cause of his guilty, he found ways to deal with the issue, honestly I think he had some very bad therapists. :) They didn't work on the cause, they worked around it so he could never forgive himself, when he got confronted with it he ran.
I also come from a culture that is more open about guilt and it's easier for people to get to the source, to talk freely. That helps understanding why he would escape but I have to say I still think he was being selfish leaving. I rewatched the the bridge meeting and he starts alright, remembering the promise he made and I thought great, he realized they needed him to stay, then all his memories are about his feelings, his doubts, and then he says he couldn't leave because he loves her. I mean, he says it, word by word, that he would have left if he didn't. But what if she was just a friend? He would have left? As Jenniffer would say, no, no, no Mr. Gong. He owed to Chan and SeoRi to stay. I would have respected him if he just said I'm here for you, even if you hate me, I'll try to make you happy in any way I can, but his main speech is "I want to make you happy, I want to be with you" it is still about him. He is just too messed up to get it. He takes all the blame to himself and still manages to make the choices based on what he wants first. Anyway, sorry if I'm not giving a nice explanation or if seem stubborn hehehe.
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javinne
September 15, 2018 at 2:12 AM
I understand. I am a linguist and crazy about words and meanings and feelings and thoughts that lead to actions.
I can also get it from the textual translation that I read, since I don't know Korean, but because I don't know Korean, I sometimes give it a little bit of a doubt.
Since I know translation are rarely accurate. Not broadly, of course we get broadly what they say, but there are so many subtle changes in any language which can convey something different from what we plainly be able to understand just by the mere words that I wish I could have them in this case, this subtle different aspects of his discourse...
I have heard Korean is a very complex language and even the fact they decide to talk formal or informal makes it different, whatever they would say.
In this case, maybe he didn't mean I come back because I love you (for instance, I Need you... I am selfish) but I love you, I know you love me, we Need each other, I want to make you happy because it's you, etc.... which sounds less selfish?????
It is hard to judge, you know, because when two people become a real couple, there is no more you or me, but us, and there cannot be more selfishness anymore...
I also don't know if I am expressing myself correctly. English is not my mother language either, and because I studied linguistics, I know perfectly that even if we try hard, we won't be able to really make ourselves totally understood, because it is simply not possible. But I hope you get what I mean. To put it short: I didn't feel Woo jin was selfish, or that it was all about himself. I can see lots of his doubts, sadness, trauma and pain in his body language but that would be only the peak of an iceberg.
At least, I know for sure, he is kind, caring and loving. He wouldn't had gone for long.
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Lixie
September 15, 2018 at 7:38 AM
You are very right, I'm putting too much blame on his actual words and forgetting this is not English he is speaking, always good to leave some doubt for interpretation with very different languages.
javinne
September 15, 2018 at 7:48 AM
@lixie
I thank you as well. Because your point of view keeps the discussion alive. I remember when discussing the end of My Ajusshi, many who speak Korean pointed out very interesting things about what he or she said and there, because the drama is very well written and the dialogs were very rich and there were tons of subtle messages hiding in very wonderful poetic words, I came to the conclusion that the OTP would stay together at the end. Or at least that he was free to pursue her if he wanted. Only then I realise how pale translation from Korean can be and how complex and beautiful this language is.
Also, you can interpret a character's words by his behavior, personality, way of acting, etc... whenever a character is good written, you could even guess what he or she would do??? 🤔🙄 more or less??
And then it is easier to believe in the translation or lack of it.
Coming back to woo jin, I think he is totally a beautiful person who even cares to water plants that don't belong to him. Because he loves life. And that says a lot about him as a human being first.
It is pretty to see such acts of kindness even if it is only in tv. 😊
therevels
September 15, 2018 at 1:19 AM
Apologies for being in contrary with you. I understand your rant, but Woo Jin never had full responsibilities over Chan's life, because Chan had his own parents, it just that he lived under the same roof for living when Chan's parents working abroad.
Also, in order to be able to fully loving others, he needs to love himself first by understanding what he wants and what he needs and how to work towards it. Anyway I can not see why he can't fulfill his wants and needs. He lives his own life, not others.
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Lixie
September 15, 2018 at 7:34 AM
@therevels I thought Chan's mom left him with her brother, he is still a teenager, he is not allowed to live alone or only with a governess. That makes him WJ's responsability. But of course I agree he needs to love himself before properly being able to love others.
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doubt_no_more
September 15, 2018 at 2:04 AM
While I understand your reasoning, I also understand why he chose to run away. His guilt never gone, he never forgives himself which is why when he realized that Seo Ri is The Girl, the feelings he had been suppressed came back, and his first reaction was to run away because those feelings overwhelmed him. What he truly need right now is to forgive himself, and for him to truly understand that the accident wasn't his fault in any ways. For me, running away is a lot easier than to forgive oneself, so I understand his kneejerk reaction.
Yes, he did ran away, and yes he came back. The moment he decided to face his guilt heads on, I say it is his first step in forgiving himself. Maybe, his reasoning for coming back sounded selfish but I believe regardless of his reason, the fact that he decided to not run away is even more important. Now that he is back, he has all the time and space to face the wrath of Chan (they really need to address this issue)
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23 TAS-Mania
September 14, 2018 at 9:13 AM
This week's episodes were outstanding. After week's of missed connections and opportunities, almost all the mysteries were revealed in a truly heartfelt way. I guess we'll get the aunt/uncle's story next week. Kinda disappointed that the uncle wasn't the mystery guy paying the hospital bills. And I guess the aunt kept the money from selling the house for herself.
And how cute is Ri-an. Hopefully Chan gets a happy ending with her.
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24 capt_blackdog is dirty but pretty
September 14, 2018 at 12:55 PM
Me 90% of the episode: arrggghhhh.
Me at the reunion scene: yes, thank you, good writing!
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javinne
September 14, 2018 at 2:22 PM
LOL 😂😂😂😂😂😂
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25 bong-soo
September 14, 2018 at 7:29 PM
The last thirty minutes of these episodes were for me the most emotional in the entire drama. What a wonderful cast. All were outstanding. It wasn't just one or two of the main characters that had to dig deep. Woo-jin, Seo-ri, Chan and Jennifer all had to go down deep inside.
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26 JustMe
September 14, 2018 at 7:31 PM
While I am in no way shape or form a fan of noble idiocy, I do love that it was Woojin who set HIMSELF straight and he decided HIMSELF to come back. He's grown loads and Im immensely proud of ouri Mr.Gong.
I never thought of Chan in that way, but reading your comments I do realize its true. Chan is only 19 and is carrying the emotional luggage of his uncle. Not easy.
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ar_arguably romantic
September 15, 2018 at 2:00 PM
As much as Chan is loved and adored and well taken care of, I do think having busy parents and being an only child allows him to better take care of himself and others. He has these interesting moments when he's very independent and moments when he's extra clingy.
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LT is Irresistibly Indifferent and reminded of the slow march of death
September 16, 2018 at 4:49 PM
One of my favourite scenes is when his Mum comes back and he's trying to distract her from talking to Seo-ri so she doesn't realise she's not the housekeeper. But instead he falls asleep on her lap like a baby.
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egads
September 16, 2018 at 4:53 PM
Oh me too! She starts rubbing his ear, and he went out like a light. You just know that was how he fell asleep when he was itty bitty, but seeing this giant do the same thing....so sweet.
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JustMe
September 16, 2018 at 4:54 PM
I love that at the beginning of the show I saw him as a great wise presence above all the characters.... but as we went on, I began to see a poor 19 year old kid--- desperately trying to take charge when he really shouldn't have so much weight on his shoulders (this was SOOO EXPLICIT in this episode).
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27 Ga
September 14, 2018 at 7:35 PM
Agree with you! Yang Se Jong's voice on that letter is, yes, beautiful. I had some tears hearing that while watching him write the letter and take some pause to endure his heart breaking confession. My heart, be still...
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28 therevels
September 15, 2018 at 12:57 AM
The revelation starts from the Ep 25-26 feels like riding a roller coaster that used linear induction motor, you start going forward very slow, but once you reached the end point, everything is going backward very fast.
If there is anyone that I would worry, it's gonna be Jennifer. She always hides her pain very well through her robotic mask, and yet with Seo Ri connecting the dots between her past, Woo Jin's, and Chan's, Jennifer started to crumble until I am afraid that she will leave the house.
As someone who worked in airline industry, I rolled my eye when Woo Jin just going to the airport counter to buy an international ticket! I mean excuse me, you can buy ticket online or by travel agent days beforehand and you need to apply visa first! (unless if he is going to visa free country). The story will make more sense if he was rejected from going aboard and he had no choice but go back to the house or the bridge. But again the show want him to create his own fate to be on Seo Ri's side, not him to be with Seo Ri through circumstances.
Boy I am laughing with Chan in past few episodes, but I could not help but be afraid of him because of 1) he will have a nasty and painful heartbreak from his one-sided love 2) he will have his ankle be his Achilles' heels for life and interfering with his rowing career and 3) he will become of criminal because he tears Woo Jin's passport. But finally all of that worries deceased because he is just Chan (except that number one).
I feel sorry for Hyung Tae because he lost many times and opportunities to re-enter Seo Ri's life, and now when he does, he has no chance to win her heart, for all this time. Jennifer was right because the word 'if only' is the saddest word, and he mostly will have that 'if only' carried all of his life.
Also poor Seo Ri that she just actually lost her two friends - Su Mi, from her recent knowledge that she is death and Hyung Tae, who just now become a stranger to her. And she could not even grieve for her friend properly because of Woo Jin's sudden disappearance.
The only thing that still hanging is why the uncle and aunt become apart, and why both of them abandoned Seo Ri. Anyway finger crossed for last episodes in next week.
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29 javinne
September 15, 2018 at 2:24 AM
Wild guess. Her uncle might be in jail!!! 😱
His company went into bankruptcy. He didn't know how to manage. He is in jail.
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30 Cherry
September 15, 2018 at 10:03 PM
Anyone can tell me that sad violin piece that she played in the park? It’s always played during a sad late 1980s early 1990’s Hong Kong drama scene. Always found it beautiful but don’t known who composed it and what’s it called
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Tizzy
September 19, 2018 at 9:54 AM
Is this what you were referring to? Chopin’s Etude #3
https://youtu.be/EmQBFLJAIcY
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31 chousaurus
September 16, 2018 at 4:20 PM
AWWW SHE LIKED HIM TOO AS A KID!!
that is so cute lol.
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32 chousaurus
September 16, 2018 at 4:31 PM
- +1000 for that letter. it wrapped everything up beautifully and like what abirdword said, we've watched these moments before, but just about having something summarized again in this moment of time made everything just so much more impactful
- omg i didn't realize that was the truck driver!! THATS SO SADDD lol. the poor guy!!!! wow, he felt really bad with what he was doing and trying to find some sort of redemption. that really is so meaningful and sad lol. i cant believe seo ri's aunt and uncle abandoned her, and this stranger has been paying her bills for the past 13 years...
- i think the noble idiocacy was needed, but i'm glad they made it last for < 1 episode and didn't keep us hanging. we had that fulfillment at the end and mr. gong came back to redeem himself
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33 Darudius
January 28, 2023 at 6:55 AM
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34 Portia aka Dr D
March 31, 2023 at 10:59 PM
The final sentence in the last paragraph, " If you don’t see a recap from me next week, know that it’s because I’ve decided to rewrite the show and have left it at this beautiful revelation." put a smile on my face. If only.
I have two (four) episodes to go. The writers, actors, and directors have done a fantastic job. Such a beautiful series.
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