dear @saya and @laica : thanks for the post!
I haven't watch these episodes yet, but I haaaaad to look through this post and...
*going to watch it right now*

I don't know how Ji-nah does it. I just spent 6 months at my parent's place in between jobs and I was so glad to be out of here. My parents are lovely and I love them to pieces but being an adult, I just need my own space to explore and define myself on my own terms.

Also, I think I would survive with that mom 48 hours. Probably even less.

The mother... I have no words... I got so angry at her...

Actually, seeing Jinah as being a daughter of the Mom, I'm proud of her that she starts defending herself, both at home at work (just please, don't take over Mom's manipulation). And I can see why Junhee's love has such an effect on her self-esteem (though who wouldn't bloom under Jung Hae In's loving smiles and stares 😄 ).

And may I give you advice (😉)? Move out!

So, watching this with my husband, and we fall on opposite sides of the fence about Jin-Ah’s mom. I can’t believe (normal) people like this actually exsist, emotionally manipulative, physically abusive, over a grown daughter dating. A daughter that could have teenagers herself. My mom made my future brother-in-law cry because he had 2 kids before meeting my sister, and she didn’t want her daughter to be roped into that responsibility. Two kids not blood-related to my mom, whom she would basically be their grandmother as well. It was selfish underneath it all, and she was not prepared for that reality, but she was never this abusive. Unfortunately, that relationship has never been repaired, as much as she would like it to be now. So I can’t imagine how this mom would ever come back into their good graces once the dust settles. Whereas, my husband sees these types of people all the time, and in his mind, seems very real and relatable. And as he says, memories are fickle. So once they have grandkids, all will be right again. Which brings me to my idea that they should just elope and get it over with. Go to America or China, where Joon-hee obviously has skills enough to support the both of them. Have a kid and return to Korea. And they live happily ever after.

Strange enough, the character which is growing on me and the one I love the most now is Kyung Sun. I mean, literally, the woman had the heart of gold. She raised her brother alone all these years and still is able to maintain such a good heart. She didn’t have parents taking care of her and she takes care of Jin ah like a mother. She needs love but she doesn’t demand it from anybody, but the same time she gives it unlimited. I almost couldn’t believe it when she did understand Jin Ah’s explanation for hiding such a secret from her. I mean I heard Jin Ah’s explanation and I was actually angry. Girl, I’m not angry because you and my brother are in love but what about all those times you lied to me? Jun hee is all she has and she gives the blessing to them. If their relationship doesn’t work, it’s them that’ll be more broken. They’ll practically lose everything.

For Jin Ah, I admire her for holding her ground and knowing when NOT to apologize ( I SO agree that there are things in life that you just CAN’T apologize for.) For dad, in the other hand, in a bit disappointed. I thought you GAVE them your blessing and the things you told them after having been brainwashed from mom is just unbearable. It’s unbearable because you didn’t hold your ground. You just have to choose one opinion dad. It’s too confusing even for us the viewers.

The mom, she’s just out of the world. Everything she said was poisonous. She only cares for herself. She’s sly like a fox.

I like Kyung Sun. I hope she met a good man and start a good relationship.

I have been crazy about this drama since they accepted the role. I really thought I would love it..I really was sure this is the romance of the year that I will remember forever. And while I still feel as a romance it is very believable, they are very cute and relatable. Chemistry is amazing, I love to see them on my computer screen, I hate netflix for the subs monopoly thing, and I can even stand the music choice, at least half of it... secondary characters like mom, which have by the way too much screen time are ruining this drama for me. 😒😑😖
I hate this mother, I simply hate her from day one...
Why the drama doesn't give me more from Kyung-sun?? I could even and gladly have a little bit more of office politics and harassment war....
But no... In some VPN the mother eve appears as a main character, why???? 😳

On a lighter note, I like that it seems Jin-a is growing mature, loving herself a little bit more... And Joon hee is... well, you know already, he is the reason why I watch this show. I feel disappointed with the show, parts of the writing and the music, but Jung Hae in makes my day every time I see him ♥😍😘♥😍😍😍😊😊😊😊😊

It's actually not so rare for adults to live with their parents, at least in my family (latino) it's kind of expected that we do until we're married even if we could afford a place of our own, because we're helping our parents too in a lot of little ways even if we don't pay rent. I'm not living with my parents but my I have been living with my grandparents for the last 10 yrs but since I'm single and currently not stable economically I'm not really encouraged to leave since I can help around the house and not have to pay rent. My friends in Mexico have a similar set up and it's not seen like something negative, it's just the way of life. You only leave your parents home if you get married, your job takes you away, or you die.

There are sometimes these ’dramas’ touch you in such a way, that it is totally unexpected and real. The spoofie ones that you enjoy for the lark they are. The dark ones that can be such a chill, you hunch under your protective blanket and jump at your own noises. This one touches so many notes of real, it is an addictive chocolate & wine joy!

I am so impressed with Joon-hee’s maturity and feelings, and the actor’s portrayal of the person. To have someone so stalwart and loving in one’s corner is everyone’s - or at least this woman’s dream. He may be younger in years, but is so mature in his standing and comprehension. I will agree with some that at times he may appear a little too on top of Jin-ah (figuratively here girls!! ;-) ). I think that this is just him doing what he feels the situation calls for, and has not missed stepped yet in this. Also with it being just him and his sister for so long, perhaps this was their give and take also?

With Jin-ah, we all have been privy of her ’journey’ with the piece of ’manhood’ (& and I do use that word sparely) she was with. Has her mother been told the entire-whole-nothing hidden truth on that piece of uck?? I do not know if that would mellow her out any, but get a life lady. Protection of a child is natural, suffocation is not. I had hoped Jin-ah would move out, into Joon-hee’s space, would this solve anything, don’t think so.

Greatly enjoying the characters, story line, portrayals of persons even if some are not my cup of tea. Mom at that door in the dark of night, could it get any scarier? Please, no.

I'm not updated with these 2 EPs so thank you for recapping @saya and @laica
What does evil mom want? What do you want lady?!!!

I was so infuriated with her mom. I kinda see her in my close friend's mother who is as equally manipulative that my head hurts with just thinking about how they even exist.
I'll give you one scenario that happened just last December when my close friend had an overnight visit at my family's house. Her mother then called her during 3am. She then answered the phone knowing that it's her mom calling. Right then and there, her mother got angry with her answering the phone coz she told her daughter that she should've been sleeping at that time.
I was like, whuuutttt? Why did you even call? They talked for almost an hour arguing why my 28-year old friend was still awake at 3am.

The way the mother insulted Kyung Sun hurt me to my bone. I hated her from that instance, before I just mildly disliked her. I also liked that Ji-nah went to be with Kyung Sun after she heard that the mother had spoken with her. That shows me the depth of their friendship, because she lied to Joon Hee in order to do so. The mother is hateful and awful and the way she treated the siblings is disgusting beyond the bounds of human decency. Ughh

I have zero sympathy for the mom. She is the WORST! I understand the culture and how it could be sort of 'normal', but regardless, I hate her. She's so two faced and a social climber.

I also don't understand why some people think Joon Hee is overbearing or controlling ???? Are we watching the same show? He's been nothing but caring and supportive.

It was so startling to see Seungho's wide and pure smile after lunch with his mother and Joonhee! After replaying those few seconds several times to confirm that he was, in fact, yes, smiling, I thought, wait, can we get more of That Seungho please instead of scowling and judging Seungho?

I'm actually getting less interested in this drama every week. It just feels too dramatic for a 35 year old dating a 30 year old. It's not like he's a high schooler, or a druggie, or ex convict. Both are grown adults with jobs. The mom's reaction just feels so dramatic and over the top and does not seem to stem from love for Jin Ah. I'm just gonna send mental self notes not to do this to my daughter next time...

The mother turns me off. This beautiful drama was able to draw me in due to its realistic portrayal of a noona-dongsaeng relationship and even workplace harrassment. But then comes the mom that decides to make a makjang out of it. And thanks to her, I've decided to put this drama on hold </3 Why mom!? Why?! URGH.

I don't think I have anything to say that hasn't already been said. Telling their families was always going to be painful but I hope everyone can live a bit easier with things out in the open - mother notwithstanding.

YES, the mother of Jin-ah is one for the books. Such a selfish and devious woman.
Her father too is a disappointment this week. After telling Jin-ah earlier "let us do this together" meaning he will help her win Mom over, he caves in and waffles! Goodness gracious!!!
Good thing Seungho IS a great friend and brother. Ditto with Kyung-sun.
I am keeping my fingers -- and toes, too (hehehe) crossed that difficult as it may be, Jin-ah and Joon-hee will be home free so steadfast as they are in their love.
NOW, back to mother again! How dare she storm the apartment of Joon-hee. So unreasonable, so mean and impossible. Goodness, her daughter is not even a minor but an adult who is of age.

I hate the mom. I had to fast forward when she was on because I was so annoyed.

I had to write this . I happened tthink catch the last couple of episodes and the director seem to be so I. Love with his heard it through grapevine team that he had the teacher reprise the date for Jin nah . I think if lee joon was there then it wouldn’t have been jung hae in ... and though he’s doing an awesome job . I wouldn’t have minded lee joon too

I know family is "important" in Korea, but while watching these shows in just wondering at what point will someone just sit there and think "wow, these people suck. I'm good on this." It's seems like in in Kdramas the parents are either cool or assholes.

But I acknowledge I'm biased. I'm the type of person who has no problem dropping someone who's a dick, don't matter our relationship.

A shout-out to the costume designers who aren't afraid to make our noona very messy . Have you ever seen so much baggy sweats, uncombed hair, slouched posture and scrubbed makeup-free face on a K-drama before? Also, our 35 year old noona looks 16 when she's in her coffee shop uniform.

This movie is one of my favourite KDramas yet. The on-screen chemistry is great. Does anyone else fanticise a Song-Song Couple relationship between these two because I do.

Re Abusive parents

The mum character was written quite well, she is definitely one of the most frustrating characters in this show. Her inability to distinguish abuse and love, her constant fall back on 'her good intentions' and her justifying Jin-Ah's ex terrible behavior on account of his good background is the textbook case for an abusive Asian parent.

There's a lot of unpackaging to do here. On one hand, it is easy to immediate date this mother. I do too. She is inexcusably a terrible parent and I don't think her overwhelming dedication to her children humanizes her further.

But on the other hand, we need to look at why she is the way she is. Cultures with tighly integrated family structures like South Korea and many other Asian countries put a huge burden on parents, and particularly mothers on protecting the honor of the family. In a time where gossiping could literally lead to shunning and worse, people back then took saving face way too seriously.

There's also the fact that a lot of these families face financial trauma, and prefer that their children don't go through the same. Abuse, infedelity and sexual harassment are to them, far more tolerable than living in a sub-par condition. Their values are far different from ours.

I hate how people are so nosy, thinking they're entitled to their own opinion to their relationship, when they should just be looking out for them at most. And OMG mom's character is really infuriating! The nerve! How could she say she treats him like a son when she has already outright judged him? * rolls eyes *