Temperature of Love: Episodes 31-32
by LollyPip
It feels like the harder our couple tries, the worse things get between them, until they’re at risk of backing themselves so far into a corner that nothing can make their relationship better. All of the outside pressures aren’t helping, but despite their promise not to let anything come between them, it seems as though there may be no way to make it work. I never thought I’d say this, but would it be better if they went their separate ways?
EPISODE 31 RECAP
After seeing Jung-woo in Hyun-soo’s mom’s hospital room being embraced as if he’s part of the family, Jung-sun leaves. But then he remembers Hyun-soo asking when he’ll allow her into his life, and he calls her downstairs. He gives her the food he made for her family, declining her invitation to come inside, telling her that he has something he needs to think about.
Jung-woo and Hyun-yi are upstairs urging Dad to eat, but he’s too worried about Mom to have much of an appetite. When Hyun-soo returns with the lunch boxes, the food is so good that even Dad manages to eat something.
Hyun-yi expresses jealousy that Hyun-soo gets to eat like this all the time because of her chef boyfriend. Hyun-yi asks Jung-woo to stay and eat with them, and he does, though the mentions of Jung-sun seem to make him uncomfortable.
At Good Soup, the chefs worry about whether the diners who didn’t finish their meal were Michelin inspectors. Ha-sung says that he’s leaving if they don’t get a Michelin star, causing maknae Min-ho to snap at him in banmal and nearly cause a fight.
Joon-ha finds Kyung on the park swings and jokes that she looks like a little girl. She yells at him for being late to meet up to visit Hyun-soo’s mom in the hospital, and he asks why she keeps ignoring his signals, testing out some banmal and getting shot right down, hee. Kyung pouts that she’s not interested, in dating in general or in him in particular.
He tells her that this is the hardest he’s ever worked for a girl who wears glasses and isn’t even his type. She says it’s also a first for her, being pursued like this, so she wants to enjoy it just a bit longer. He gives her the flowers he’s carrying, which Kyung thought were for Hyun-soo’s mom, but Joon-ha says that he got them for her and she grins a happy little grin.
Jung-sun is still a little down when he gets to work, but a text from Hyun-soo thanking him for getting her father to eat cheers him right up. Ha-sung and Min-ho are in the kitchen still shooting glares at each other, but the news that they have more reservations today puts everyone in a better mood.
Over at On Entertainment, Hong-ah’s demand for a new director has Jung-woo internally praying for patience. She even has the nerve to expect special treatment in return for tipping him off about Hyun-soo’s mother being sick. She tells Jung-woo that she’s rooting for him and Hyun-soo and that she hopes Jung-sun grows old alone. Well, isn’t she just delightful.
While they wait for Mom’s surgery to be over, Hyun-soo sits with her dad, holding his hand for support. Jung-woo gets a report that it’s taking longer than expected, and Jung-sun passes the time making porridge for Mom’s recovery.
Jung-sun’s mom finds him in the Good Soup kitchen and tells him that he’s lucky that he doesn’t have to worry about her health. She catches him smiling at her cheekiness and asks if he’s finished being angry with her, sharing her hand lotion with him and telling him that she really is trying her best to change.
Jung-woo waits at the hospital for news, and eventually the doctor informs him that Hyun-soo’s mother’s surgery went well. Later, Jung-sun finds Hyun-soo, and this time he asks to visit her mom. He apologizes to Mom for not being able to see her before her surgery, and both Mom and Dad thank him for the food he’s been bringing.
Over coffee, Jung-sun asks Hyun-soo how she’s holding up and says that he’d like to be of help. She tells him that just supporting her helps a lot, and he offers to keep cooking for her mom as long as she’s in the hospital.
When she gets back to her mom’s room, the doctor tells Hyun-soo that Jung-woo has been so concerned about her mother, you’d think he was her son-in-law. Hyun-soo finds her dad nodding off on the couch and brings him a blanket. He gazes over at his recovering wife and muses that Jung-woo is their family’s savior before going back to sleep.
Hyun-soo visits Jung-woo to bring him a gift for helping her mother. She says that there’s still trust between them, but Jung-woo sighs that she took that trust lightly. Hyun-soo gently argues that she wouldn’t be here if she took it lightly, and again she tells him, “Thank you” and “I’m sorry.”
Jung-woo says that she’s wrong if she thinks she only ever receives things from him, because he’s received a lot from her, too. Hyun-soo doesn’t ask what he means, and just tells him that they’re moving her mother to a new (non-private, less expensive) room.
Today when Jung-sun goes to the hospital, Hyun-soo isn’t there. He gives the food he brought to Hyun-soo’s dad, then steps across the hall to get some water.
He overhears Hyun-soo’s mom saying that she feels burdened by Jung-sun because it’s not like he’s their son-in-law and she asks her husband to tell him not to come so often. So when he goes back to the room and Dad thanks him for the food, he tells them that they don’t need to feel burdened, and quickly leaves.
Hyun-soo runs into Won-joon and Soo-jung outside of Good Soup, and they tell her that they’re dating for a month to see how it goes. Soo-jung goes inside, and Won-joon tells Hyun-soo that he’s still unsure about Soo-jung, but he got swayed a little and wanted to give this a try, and that he’s doing his best. Hyun-soo doesn’t find the approach very appealing, thinking that Soo-jung might be sad to hear that he was only swayed by her a little.
Jung-sun isn’t around, so Hyun-soo heads home, only to find him waiting in front of her place. He says that he plans to keep visiting her mom until she’s discharged, but Hyun-soo tells him he doesn’t need to do that. She asks if it seems like all they do is check up on each other lately.
She confesses that she didn’t tell him about Jung-woo arranging her mother’s surgery because she worried he’d be upset. She admits that she feels uneasy every time they talk, ever since he rejected her offer to live together, because she feels like he’s pushing her away because of his emotional scars.
She even worries that he likes her less after she asked him to live together. She says she feels like there’s a wall between them, and as they stand looking at each other, the world goes black and white.
Hong-ah tags along with Kyung to Good Soup, claiming that she needs to interview a chef for her drama. She highhandedly interrupts Won-joon and Soo-jung’s coffee to order Soo-jung to set a lunch table for her and Kyung, and I love the disgusted look on Won-joon’s face. But he cheerfully agrees to be interviewed, then asks Soo-jung to let him take her home that night, right in front of Hong-ah.
The “interview” looks a lot more like Hong-ah grilling Won-joon for personal information. She asks if his father is still angry that he didn’t become a doctor, and when he says that his father has started answering his calls again, Hong-ah snaps at him for talking back. Won-joon innocently reminds her that this is an interview, ha.
She finally drops the interview charade and tells him that she’s sorry for how she’s treated him, and that she’s becoming interested because of Soo-jung. But she says they can’t date just because of that, making Won-joon squeak that he didn’t ask her to date him.
Hong-ah says he doesn’t have to date her, but she doesn’t want him dating Soo-jung, either. Won-joon is incredulous at her demands, and jumps up to leave.
That night, Hyun-soo thinks about her conversation with Jung-sun, and says to herself that he if cared about her, he’d give her what she wants. He’s at home thinking about that same conversation, and how Hyun-soo said that she’s felt uneasy ever since he turned down her offer to live together.
A few days later, Jung-sun goes with Hyun-soo to the hospital to help with her mother’s discharge. Mom complains in private about Jung-sun being there, so Hyun-soo reminds her mother that she married her dad because he was good and kind the same way Jung-sun is good and kind. Mom just grumbles that things were different back then.
Afterward, Hyun-soo meets with CP Yoo, and he tells her that the broadcasting company has decided to air her drama. But her happiness deflates a little when he says that she’s lucky to have Jung-woo to fight for her, and that it’s no wonder there’s even a rumor that they’re dating.
She steps out to call Jung-sun and tell him her good news. He drops his phone and misses it the first time she says it, and for some reason, when she repeats herself, she seems unsettled.
That evening she goes out with Joon-ha, Jung-woo, and Kyung to a noraebang to celebrate. Meanwhile the employees of Good Soup take photos of the new menu items for their website, then they all pose together for a group picture.
EPISODE 32 RECAP
At the noraebang, an adorably tipsy Kyung showers Jung-woo with compliments until Joon-ha complains that she likes everyone but him. Joon-ha starts the music, and when Kyung refuses to sing with him, he chooses a solo ballad. The others dutifully wave their arms, and Kyung admits to Hyun-soo that Joon-ha has a nice singing voice.
Joon-ha flounce-quits when he realizes that nobody is listening, and Kyung jumps up to sing next. Her song is more upbeat, and despite Joon-ha’s grumping that she wouldn’t sing with him, he gets up to dance with her.
In the hallway later, Jung-woo and Hyun-soo cross paths, and Jung-woo notes that Hyun-soo doesn’t look well. She turns to stare at him, and he says that he can tell how she’s doing just by looking at her.
Jung-sun is waiting again when Hyun-soo and Kyung arrive home. Kyung pretends she has somewhere to go and runs off, leaving them alone. She ends up sitting at a convenience store, and she calls Joon-ha for company. He pretends to misunderstand that she wants to spend the night with him and cringes in maidenly horror. Although she whines that this is why she doesn’t like him, she smiles because he came when she called.
Jung-sun congratulates Hyun-soo on her drama, but she just grunts in acknowledgement. He asks if he did something wrong, and Hyun-soo says dejectedly that she wishes he would do something wrong sometimes, so that he’d have to cling to her and say he’s sorry.
Jung-sun asks if she’s unhappy, and Hyun-soo doesn’t exactly answer. She just says that if she’s unhappy, it’s not because of him, and he tells her that he’s been making extra time to do everything he can for her. Hyun-soo snaps that she never asked him to do that, then sighs that she must be drunk.
She asks him tearfully why she’s in love, but feels lonelier when she’s with Jung-sun because he leaves her out of his life. He tells her that his mother borrowed money from Jung-woo without telling him, then asks if she would want to share a story like that.
He says that he’s doing everything he can to keep their love, but Hyun-soo cries that she feels like he doesn’t love her, and that he’s only doing these things because they’re his duty as her boyfriend. As kindly as he can, Jung-sun says that she feels that way because that’s how she’s acting.
Hyun-soo huffs angrily, complaining that when they’re together they either fight, or they can’t be honest because they’re being so careful. Jung-sun asks what she wants from him, but she doesn’t have an answer.
Jung-sun’s mother goes to his place to cook for him, making his favorite meal from when he was a kid. Warily, he half-jokes that she cooks something from his childhood every time she causes trouble. She just muses that his father is doing well with his new wife, so it must just be that they weren’t a good match.
While he’s eating, Jung-sun’s mother asks how much money he’s planning to give her per month, and she complains at the low number he gives her. She asks for a portion of his land instead so that she can have a lump sum, but he says that it’s gone, asking why she and his father are so interested in it.
His mom is surprised that his dad is interested in the land, but Jung-sun reassures her that he’s not interested in the same way she is. She sighs that his father used to hit her, but that he would never touch Jung-sun, because he loves him. Jung-sun gets fed up with this line of conversation, but his mom tells him to get along with his father because he owns a building and Jung-sun is his only son.
A furious Hong-ah storms into Jung-woo’s office to yell at him because Hyun-soo’s drama got picked up by a network. She switches to her nice voice pretty fast when he says that hers was picked up, too.
He gets a call from Hyun-soo’s mother to thank him for his help, and to tell him that she was discharged from the hospital. Her husband takes the phone to invite him out to dinner as thanks, and Jung-woo accepts. When he hangs up, he tries to deflect Hong-ah’s interest, but she guesses who that was and what they wanted.
Hyun-soo looks uncomfortable when her parents tell her that they want her to come to dinner with them and Jung-woo. Her mother asks if she thinks Jung-sun would be upset, and she promises that they’ll thank Jung-sun, too.
That night, while sharpening his knives, Jung-sun takes out his phone to call Hyun-soo. But he remembers her saying that she feels lonely even when she’s with him, and he puts his phone away.
He finds Won-joon still in the dining room, and he admits that he chickened out on calling Hyun-soo. Won-joon warns him that it will be worse if they don’t make up right away, but Jung-sun changes the subject. He says that his father is coming over, and Won-joon sympathizes with his having to deal with both parents on the same day.
Jung-sun wonders why he can tell his problems to Won-joon so easily, but not to Hyun-soo. Won-joon says that you want to look good in front of the person you love, to give them your best and handle your hardships yourself.
Hong-ah shows up and assumes that Won-joon is still here because he was waiting for her. Jung-sun retreats, and Won-joon sincerely congratulates Hong-ah when she tells him about her drama getting picked up by a network. She asks if he really likes Soo-jung, but he just glares at her and refuses to answer.
He tells Hong-ah that he really did love her, but that after he ended it, he started acting like her, sounding disgusted at himself. He stands to leave, and Hong-ah hurls herself at him and grabs him in a backhug. Won-joon looks shaken for a moment, but when she asks him to give in, he says no and disentangles himself from her grip.
Jung-sun’s father shows up at his door later, anxious about his using his land as collateral for the loan to buy Good Soup. He even offers to pay off Jung-sun’s loan, but Jung-sun insists on handling it himself. His father orders him to take the money, since he’ll end up coming to him for money eventually, with the land gone.
Jung-sun says that he’s lived well without his father and won’t ever come to him for money. He warns his father not to try to come back into his life, and turns his back on him. His father surges up, demanding to know what he did that was so wrong.
Jung-sun yells that he never called him when he lived in Paris as a teenager, and his father says that his life was complicated. Jung-sun sneers that it made things easier to throw away his son, and tells him not to try to act like a father now.
His father brings up the fact that he never raised a hand to him growing up, asking if Jung-sun knows how many times he was beaten as a child. Jung-sun says that Dad didn’t hit him to prove that he wasn’t like his own father, but that he hit Mom instead and ruined her life.
His father lunges at him and grabs his lapel in one hand, raising his other hand to strike. Jung-sun’s expression never changes, and he doesn’t even flinch or break eye contact. He just calmly waits for the blow, but his father lowers his hand and walks out without another word.
The next day, Jung-sun and Hyun-soo both go for a run, but separately. After his shower, Jung-sun takes a small box from his dresser and opens it to look at the ring inside. He dresses carefully, then heads out, taking the ring with him.
Meanwhile, Jung-woo meets with Hyun-soo and her parents for dinner. Hyun-soo’s parents don’t seem to notice the awkwardness between Jung-woo and Hyun-soo, and it gets even worse when he freely admits that his father was a businessman who went bankrupt.
Hyun-soo’s mom asks hopefully if Jung-woo is as nice to all of his writers as he is to Hyun-soo. He thinks for a moment, then says that he’s not. She asks if he’s only this nice to Hyun-soo, and he answers, “Yes. I like Hyun-soo.”
Jung-sun goes to Hyun-soo’s home, and when he sees that her lights are out, he tries to call her. But her phone is in her coat pocket in the hallway, so she misses his call.
COMMENTS
The mirroring here is really interesting—both times that Jung-sun has attempted to contact Hyun-soo to ask her something potentially life-changing in regards to their relationship, she doesn’t get his call because she’s with Jung-woo. This time is different because she’s not choosing not to answer, but I wonder if Jung-sun will see it that way.
I can’t help feeling like Jung-sun’s obvious plan to propose is a really, really bad idea. Very rarely do I see the hero of a drama pull out a ring and think, “Oh nooo.” You don’t decide to get married in the hopes of solving relationship problems, or because you’re scared of losing the girl, or because you overheard her parents saying that your kind gestures are burdensome because you’re not their son-in-law. You decide to get married because you love each other and can’t imagine life without each other, full stop. I have a feeling this is going to blow up in Jung-sun’s face, especially with the way Hyun-soo seems so unhappy with their relationship right now. And once again, he’s going to be going out of his comfort zone and doing his best to make her happy, and she’s going to say hurtful things and make him feel like he did something wrong. I don’t know if I can watch that again.
I’m still irritated with Hyun-soo’s selfishness when it comes to their relationship. It’s not that what she wants is so unusual; it’s that she’s only thinking about what she wants, and she’s not taking into consideration what Jung-sun is capable of, or what’s healthy for him. Their relationship is still very new, and he’s really doing a lot considering the relationship model he had growing up. I don’t think she’s wrong to want more closeness and emotional intimacy, but I do think she’s not taking his difficult past into consideration and pushing him to give her everything much too fast. He has every right to ask Hyun-soo to slow down and be patient, but whenever he tries, she just cries at him and calls him selfish.
Her whole speech about feeling like Jung-sun doesn’t love her, and that he’s only doing things for her and her family because it’s his duty, just came right out of left field. Jung-sun has done nothing to indicate that he feels that way, and in fact he’s sacrificed his own time to do things for her family in their time of need, only to have Hyun-soo and her mother throw it back in his face. So now he’s going to propose because he thinks it’s what Hyun-soo wants, and because he’s so conditioned to take responsibility for everything that he thinks this will make it better. But I don’t think the problems in their relationship are because Hyun-soo isn’t getting what she wants—they’re because she’s throwing a tantrum every time she doesn’t get what she wants.
But then, considering her family, maybe I shouldn’t be surprised. Hyun-soo’s mother seemed sweet at the outset, but she’s shown herself to be very judgmental and critical of others for very insignificant reasons, such as forbidding Hyun-soo to marry anyone whose parents are divorced. She doesn’t seem to employ much logic to whether she likes a person other than whether they have money, even though she and her husband seem to live typically middle-class lives. She adores Jung-woo and allows him to pull strings and pay for a private hospital room, yet she complains that Jung-sun’s homemade meals make her feel burdened and uncomfortable. I suppose it’s really no wonder that Hyun-soo picks unreasonable things about Jung-sun to decide to be miserable about.
Speaking of Jung-sun, it just about killed me when his father raised his hand to him—not because he almost hit his son, but because of the look on Jung-sun’s face. He didn’t look scared, or defiant, or challenging… he looked resigned. As if he’s just been waiting for that slap all his life, and he was almost relieved that this was finally it. And then when his father didn’t strike him, to me Jung-sun looked almost disappointed, as if he’d been hoping that this would finally be the end and he could stop dreading it. But it didn’t happen, and now he has to keep anticipating it.
At the same time, I find myself starting to believe Jung-sun’s mother when she says that she’s really trying to change. She does appear to have changed, at least a little, though she still has quite a long way to go. But she seems a lot calmer lately, not so shrill when she sees Jung-sun, and when she says things like how she’s worried about Hyun-soo’s mom, she does appear to really mean it. If I were Jung-sun I wouldn’t be lowering my defenses for quite a while, maybe not for years, but there’s something there that makes me think that, even if she fails and backslides, she wants to be a better mother to him.
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1 joongkicookie
November 14, 2017 at 3:14 AM
I think it’s safe to say that i’m hating on Hyun Soo now. I don’t understand her reasons and why she’s doing what she’s doing to Jung Sun. She doesn’t deserve him at all.
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panda3lou
November 14, 2017 at 5:43 AM
Me too, I am really disappointed with this show. First, because of Jung Woo and Hong Ah characters, and now because of the selfish Hyun Soo. Right now it only shows how the entourage of Jung Sun is quite toxic (except his team at Good Soup), from his parents, his "friend" Jung Woo to his girlfriend. I really don't see how it will end but it doesn't look good...
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LoveSojiSub51
November 14, 2017 at 7:39 AM
She acts like a teenager! I just feel like she wants to live out her dramas and still get the guy she wants. Now she is gonna have to deal with the fact that JW has the upper hand (Favoritism from her parents) and she seems like the type of person to bend to make them happy. She hasn't grown at all. Side note, I love Kyung and Joon Ha.
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sweetsour
November 14, 2017 at 8:27 AM
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thatstp
November 14, 2017 at 10:40 AM
I wish I could like this comment more than once. I said the same thing last week only cruder. It's not that Jung Woo is better than Jung Sun (as if that would ever happen) or that HyunSoo would turn to JungWoo. It's that when you have a man who isn't even your boyfriend willing to share his thoughts and feelings, with and about you, freely and honestly it makes it hard to feel secure when your boyfriend shuts you out. Like I said last week I don't think HyunSoo would ever go to JungWoo but JungSun's actions, or inaction as it were, will make her feel like her relationship with JungSun is going nowhere and break up with him.
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Varsha
November 14, 2017 at 8:09 PM
and when it comes to sharing how about not telling about her mother sickness and surgery date and jung woo helps them. she didn't tell jung sun ahh because he didn't share his awkward story and asked sometime to share these painful things, The guy had a tough childhood. If you can only try to understand him a little bit more. . and no one is hating hyun soo but I hate how she broke up with Jung Sun & the reason behind it, bc I simply cannot understand why she did it. because of sharing part only I mean this is not called love and when you are in relationship you must be committed to each other that what ever happens they will not fall and never leave each other.
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schacheule
November 14, 2017 at 2:19 PM
Totally agree in all points.
I don't quite understand where all the hate comes already for Hyun Soo.
It's perfectly understandable that she wants to be closer to Jung Sun. He is her Boyfriend. They loved ecah other for more than 5 years. In spite of not even seeing each other. Of course she wants to be closer, feeling more commitment. And I agree with you, that she ist trying to push just a little to hard regarding HIS personality. If it were somebody who would have a similar background, then it would flow a lot better. There wouldn't be so many misunderstandings. Hyun Soo also wouldn't let herself be swayed by everones and their mothers opinion.
I kinda feel that her parents, especially her mother is using an underhanded way to get Jung Sun out of the picture and present Jung Woo as the better man to her. Just as was her, Hyun Soo's mom, opinion from the beginning.
I can't blame either of them. Jung Sun genuinely wnats to do everything he can for Hyun Soo. She wants more and also obviously needs more, because of her upbringing. You know- loving parents who totally dote on each other.
He is quite the opposite.
Yeah... the question remains... can this realationship even work? And if not, I try to think realistically, it's not their fault. One can only do that much...
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skelly
November 14, 2017 at 4:12 PM
Totally agree - HS is only human...and she waited for five long years for him to come back, so naturally she wants to move things forward. Although nothing is said about it specifically, of course, part of her frustration may very well be sexual. JS is a nice guy, but he has so many mommy and daddy issues I just don't see him ready or able to go all-in in a committed adult relationship.
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Miranda
November 14, 2017 at 5:29 PM
I can’t for the life of me recall an instance of Hyun Soo being there for Jung Sun. He’s the one cooking and bringing candies and arranging trips, and she... does what exactly? She seems to show up and then expect disclosures in return. I don’t ever recall her selflessly doing something for Jung Sun.
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2 Nadia
November 14, 2017 at 3:19 AM
Thanks for the recap, they have lost me as a viewer.
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3 Cid
November 14, 2017 at 3:31 AM
I stop watching this drama a long time ago, so thank you for the recap, this way I can get my update about this drama, the main reason I stop was narrative, it was feeling off and now is just maddening. I can't root for any of the couples. I feel like lets fast forward to a yr or 2 and show everyone single, working, successful in their fields.
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4 하데스
November 14, 2017 at 3:39 AM
Oh jeez. This show. I agree with you @lollypip with the following:
1. I'm thinking that these two might be better off not being in a relationship with each other.
2. Hyun-soo's mother is so many different kinds of @#*&! I didn't think about the effect that she would have had on her daughter growing up.
3. Thinking about proposing as the solution is a very bad idea Jung-sun.
4. The OTP has been backed into a no-win situation. I would love--not really--to see what kind of contortions can get them out of this.
5. Hyun-soo is becoming dangerously close to being unhealthy for Jung-sun.
I'm on the fence about Jung-sun's mother. It is incredibly hard for people at that age to change. I'm not saying that she can't or she's not and it's just an age thing. Life has made her into who she is and as hard as she "tries" I just see her relapsing and being manipulative.
The scene with Jung-sun and his father was all kinds of messed up. I have been so down with this drama as of late that I've neglected making GIFs, but that's a really good GIFable scene. I didn't hit you, I hit your mother, so you should be thankful to me for that. Oh the twisted logic. It does help the corner that Jung-sun has backed himself into with not trying to be like his parents either though. There was a part of me that wanted his dad to hit him and Jung-sun to give him a taste of his own medicine.
The most frustrating aspect of this drama is that it explains most of our characters actions in subtle and straight forward ways. Unfortunately for the audience, it might not come as any solace because it's still frustrating to watch. Oftentimes I think to myself that the writer is oh too convenient with her writing especially when she tries to use subverted, double subverted, discussed, and whatever other trope styles she wants to use. Having said that, I must applaud a drama that explores these types of wounded characters, especially Jung-sun. They do exists in real life and life can be hard. I feel I was a bit too much like Hyun-soo last time in wanting and expecting Jung-sun to open up. Dang it. I don't think things can work out. Sigh.
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sweetsour
November 14, 2017 at 8:33 AM
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Christy Gaitanis
November 14, 2017 at 11:52 PM
I can't stand JS. And the relationship between him and HS is just as toxic as all of his other relationships. I hate that they will end up together. Anything sweet and romantic about them dissolved before he even left for Paris.
JW is clearly the better choice. Despite a few bad moments, he has done nothing but love her and care for her for years. He is very loving and devoted to her. But no, she's got to keep running back to that jerk who treats her badly every other time they get together.
I am so sick of it. I'm going to watch until the end because it's so close now, but this will be the first time I've ever been disgusted that the main couple ended up together.
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5 하데스
November 14, 2017 at 3:44 AM
I'm beginning to think that Jung-sun is the protagonist and Hyun-soo is the deuteragonist in this drama.
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6 Herlene
November 14, 2017 at 3:49 AM
Hyun-Soo is both frustrating and disappointing. Here I thought that now is the time for Jung-Sun to start to rely on her and confiding in her, but it seems she is wavering now??? Why is she looking at Jung-Woo now of all times and not in the five years during the absence of Jung-Sun and when she is single? I would be able to understand it if she felt detached from Jung-Sun due to him not opening up to her, but if she started to lean towards Jung-Woo that would be both frustrating and illogical since from the very beginning she claimed to have only felt gratitude and sorry to him.
Jung-Sun, meanwhile, despite not able to able to share everything to her, is enduring steadfastly through it all while trying to stay intact in the relationship. Problem is, the relationship is not balanced and Hyun-Soo is maneuvering the direction by herself. Jung-Sun, with every right to be jealous in regards to her proximity with Jung-Woo, does not even stand a chance to do that and is practically asking her what he can do. And what exactly does she want at this moment? It seems like Jung-Sun is taking cautious step forward in the relationship and she is taking the backward steps. It takes two to tango and keep the figurative temperature warm. Now is definitely not a good time to propose due to the rift, but from Jung-Sun's perspective and from their talk, it seems like the rift started since his rejection of living together. Like Jung-Sun, I had a hard time trying to figure out what Hyun-Soo want at this point. Honestly, I am beginning to doubt the couple's compatibility in the long term relationship as I found Hyun-Soo warmed up real fast and cooled down even faster by herself. Now every scene with our leads is exhausting and draining, as there are unresolved conflict that remained unresolved by the time the next scene comes. I have mentioned earlier that I like the fact that the couple is communicating, but in this episode I found that despite a lot of talking, it seemed like there is lack of communication. Jung-Sun had to swallowed his pain and awkwardness with Hyun-Soo's parents while salvaging the emerging distance with Hyun-Soo, meanwhile Hyun-Soo is iffed by little thing that Jung-Sun did or did not do according to her ways.
Preview for the next episode do not look good and right now I think maybe Jung-Sun should ditched this mess and find someone more suitable, moving on like his buddy Won-Joon.
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loveblossom🌸
November 14, 2017 at 7:50 AM
I agree that Hyun Soo is frustrating, but I don’t think she has wavered or started having romantic feelings towards Jung Woo. She felt uncomfortable around him and preferred her parents meet him for dinner without her.
The timing between Jung Sun and Hyun Soo is not matching up. They keep missing each other and not communicating well enough. She has become distant, losing her previous spunky spark.
The next episode looks disastrous. >__<
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Herlene
November 14, 2017 at 1:21 PM
I don't want her to waver. Perhaps wavering is not exactly the best description here. I do felt that at this moment, she is touched/swayed by Jung-Woo's silent acts of helping and has grown a bit more appreciative of him. As she is building the wall around Jung-Sun, everybody around her (whether intentionally or unintentionally) kept mentioned about how good Jung-Woo is to her, thus making her maybe more appreciative of him. In the scene of Hyun-Soo and Won-Joon talking about him dating Soo-Jung casually for now even though he claimed that there was uncertainty and that he does felt swayed slightly by Soo-Jung, personally I interpret it as Hyun-Soo having the possibility of being swayed too.
And then there was the scene after the karaoke, where Jung-Woo seemed to understand her than she expected, which contrast with the way Jung-Sun doesn't seemed to get her.
Anyway, all these minor scenarios in Hyun-Soo surrounding seemed to cause her to reevaluate her love life.
And the scene where the couple tried to meet each other, but went to different destination without notifying each other, that truly reflect the state of relationship they are in. They have hearts for each other but missing out the best approach to reach out to one another.
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Varsha
November 14, 2017 at 10:13 AM
Hyun-Soo is annoying me, I really can't understand what she wants from Jung-Sun. Jung-Sun is trying everything to make her happy and not to let anything come between them. Jung-Sun putting his effort and time by preparing food for her parents and visiting them and he also forgo his pride when went to his father to help his girlfriend's mother.
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thatstp
November 14, 2017 at 11:30 AM
Does any of that matter when he's still blocking himself off emotionally?
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Varsha
November 14, 2017 at 7:17 PM
he just asked time to share. and because of simple thing she broke up with him, this is big punishment
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7 Herlene
November 14, 2017 at 3:55 AM
My favourite scene of the day is the scene between the father and son. Boy the anger management issue of Jung-Sun's father runs deep, but I really enjoyed the performance of the two actors, the tension is electrifying.
Sometimes I felt that Yang Se-Jong's strength is in dramatic scenes like this one.
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하데스
November 14, 2017 at 4:03 AM
Yang Se-jong has an incredible range imo. He does really well in dramatic scenes to be sure, but is subtlety is also quite amazing. He can also turn up the heat to a blaze with the intimate stuff.
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8 mua4eva
November 14, 2017 at 4:07 AM
Thanks for the recap @Lollypip. tbh I'm done pinning for this drama n depend entirely on d recap so I'm truly grateful
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growingbeautifully
November 14, 2017 at 4:47 AM
Thanks LollyPip and Hi mua4eva, .... You're better than me... I can't even care enough now, about the show, to want to read the recaps. It's so annoying the nothing much and yet angsty-ness that goes on. 😞
I've just skipped here and there on this page for the review and a few comments. I've no regrets leaving this show, although I was sad to do so a couple of weeks ago. 😖
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9 Inggg
November 14, 2017 at 4:10 AM
This show riding on a stinking Ferris wheel!!
Just end it already, ugh 😑
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10 curly
November 14, 2017 at 4:49 AM
I'm starting to be frustrated with this drama.
It's seems like a roller coaster of just talking and talking and talking.
Without any improvements after all those conversations they had.
Here's to hoping that at least these characters will have some great arcs.. ^_^
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11 tummy
November 14, 2017 at 4:51 AM
Even the recaps are frustrating....
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tummy
November 14, 2017 at 4:52 AM
Is there such a thing as fast-forwarding recaps???
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LollyPip
November 14, 2017 at 6:14 AM
Tell me about it...
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Inggg
November 14, 2017 at 6:53 AM
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12 WisdomToothless
November 14, 2017 at 5:02 AM
Have only been following through recaps so far so my comment may not be fair, but just reading this ep really pissed me off. Hyun soo, what on earth do you want??? If jung sun said ok to living together, you would probably just say that he was caving in out of obligation to you as a boyfriend. Even you don't know what you want. *rolls eyes*
If jung sun was a friend, I'd tell him to get out now. I don't have time or emotional capacity to deal with unreasonable people on a long term basis.
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13 latebloomer
November 14, 2017 at 5:02 AM
Talk, talk, talk - it seems like that's all that happens in this drama. The beginning was so dramatic, but now all they do is talk about their feelings.
I skimmed through this episode because I thought it was going to be the ending. I don't blame Mom for preferring Jung Woo. She saw him first, saw that he was handsome and wealthy and attentive to her daughter. Then this young chef came along and spoiled things, at least in her mind.
I just don't see how this is going to end. Is it really possible that Hyun Soo is going to dump Jung Sun because he didn't agree to live with her? Is she going to tell Jung Woo, "Thanks for waiting for me, because I finally got my first love out of my system?"
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Pensola
November 14, 2017 at 6:59 AM
[is she going to tell Jung Woo, "Thanks for waiting for me, because I finally got my first love out of my system?"]
Honestly, at this point, wouldn't that have been a more interesting story to follow? Two people in deep love, but were separated before they could really do anything with it. Now that they see each other again and can rekindle the flame, they realize that perhaps the flame was not as strong as they thought. But the girl is being emotionally harassed and manipulated by her boss and so is subconsciously afraid of breaking up, but as a result she ends up using those same manipulations on the boy, who is afraid of abandonment due to his past in an abusive household. So together they must find a way to get away from their predicaments, and be able to peacefully leave as friends with no regrets.
I mean, Jung Woo really shouldn't have waited for waiting FIVE YEARS and expecting that to be enough. It reminds me a little too much of the Nice Guy. What drove me to like Jung Woo the first weeks was the hints to his darker, dominating and possessive side, and I would have liked to see that more in a less... THIS kind of way. ^^;
Yeah, at the start I really liked this show for having the people actually talk and think logically to most things that happened. But as time went by, I realize that there is a BIG difference to talking and actually communicating. Because they talk a lot about nothing, there is an illusion that they are sensible people that are not like other dramas that misunderstand each other all the time. But other couples talk way, way less over way dumber/makjang things and yet they communicate way better than these two.
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14 Kdramamom
November 14, 2017 at 5:30 AM
Show .... if your creator atleast gives us a lead on what she was hinting by making you .... you still can be saved and everything forgiven ? Seriously .... trainwreck
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Kdramamom
November 14, 2017 at 5:32 AM
Also if a show could win an award about the range of double standards a human has .... this would be it .... hands down ...ugh
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sweetsour
November 14, 2017 at 8:40 AM
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15 debbytelly
November 14, 2017 at 6:16 AM
I just want this drama to be over and vacate the timeslot for the next drama…btw I do wish recaps on dramabeans are more regularly posted…sometimes I refresh up to 3days before a new recap is finally posted
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16 _mplo_
November 14, 2017 at 6:21 AM
Aigoo... Hyun Soo ah....what happened to you? I'm so dreading the next episode especially after seeing the previews. Looks like things are going from bad to worse.
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17 Katrina
November 14, 2017 at 6:22 AM
I'm sorry but I hate Hyun-soo so much everytime she accuses Jung-sun of being selfish I want to slap her
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irmar
November 14, 2017 at 10:26 AM
And I want to slap him every time he puts a wall between them. He does all the nice external things, like showing care through cooking, but treats her as a casual fling instead of a future life companion. I would be pissed too!
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thatstp
November 14, 2017 at 10:55 AM
I really don't get all the HyunSoo hate. Do people expect for her to wait around indefinitely until JungSun decides to he's finally ready to open up to her? What if he never does? He didn't like it when she didn't tell him about her mother being sick and basically called her petty for pointing out that he doesn't share things with her. If she kept things to herself the way he does they would be aquaintances instead of a couple.
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Miranda
November 14, 2017 at 5:37 PM
She's not waiting around indefinitely, though - she basically landed him with a double whammy of "tell me everything" paired with "by the way I violated your trust by talking to your mom even when you told me not to and I'm not even going to process why that's such a violation for you", then set a clock and started drawing back from him. She never really waited. She made their relationship transactional - give me details or I freeze you out.
This is why I sort of want him to break up with her, she is not ready for this kind of complexity, and she's not showing true empathy. She wants him to share with her because SHE wants it, not because it's good for him. And she's trying one route to that openness: showing up in front of him and saying "tell me".
I've dealt with guys from bad families, and Hyun Soo is pretty much poison in this situation. She is never, ever going to understand how much distance he's crossing to come this far. She wants a relationship like her parents have, and that is never going to happen with him (and I'd argue maybe shouldn't, since it comes across as pretty damn lopsided with Dad so dependent on Mom).
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varsha
November 14, 2017 at 7:14 PM
he asked time for sharing because its difficult for him to share such awkward story about his mother that she borrowed money from person who try to stole his girlfriend
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Varsha
November 14, 2017 at 7:21 PM
what else does he have to do? he trusted her again that she will not not leave her again but she did. he invested everything in this relationship trust time efforts.
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18 Katrina
November 14, 2017 at 6:23 AM
I think Jung-sun needs to just pack up and move.
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irmar
November 14, 2017 at 10:27 AM
Unless he decides to grow up and decide this is his woman, not some stranger he has to look cool in front of.
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Miranda
November 14, 2017 at 9:15 PM
If Hyun Soo thinks this is him trying to be cool, she's worse off than I thought.
He's trying to be a self-contained person. He's distanced himself from his parents for his own survival, not out of some quest to seem cool. If Hyun Soo could accept him for the self-contained person he's become, or even recognize that his isolation is a survival strategy, she'd be much better off. Instead she seem to think that she's going to be part of some larger storyline where rifts are healed and they function as a normal family. Uh, no. That's never, ever going to happen.
If Hyun Soo accepted that Jung Sun is the person in front of her, instead of some piece of a larger family constellation, she might be able to fit in here. But instead she seems to be rejecting him UNLESS he gives her a larger constellation to fit into. But he rejected that larger picture, so what she's basically doing is saying "hey, remember that thing you rejected? I want you to not only recreate it, but also pretend it's cool so I can feel comfortable".
She's miles out of her depth. She wants him to create a family life she'd be comfortable fitting into, but that's delusional. He's trying to tell her that but she just won't listen.
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19 The End
November 14, 2017 at 7:41 AM
How could a show with 10 good hours suddenly turn 180deg and butcher its characters and viewers? Thanks @lollypip for continuing to recap; I wish your energies could have been channeled to the dropped Revolutionary Love instead; that one showed an uptick after the 5th episode.
Poor YSJ and SHJ to be wasted on this nonsense. Argh!
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_mplo_
November 14, 2017 at 3:44 PM
Totally agree. I wish we could get the recaps for Revolutionary Love back. Someone up there must be paying attention to the comments. I find myself looking forward to each episode now.
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20 lotus
November 14, 2017 at 8:48 AM
Thank you for the recaps, @lollypip
I'm both frustrated and amazed at the writer. How can someone include this much drama in a drama? That's really something. It was frustrating seeing everything fall apart when it comes to the main leads' relationship but then I also find it amazing how the story has changed to this degree. At what point exactly did the story-line shift its course to this shaky, draggy, exasperating direction? Hah. Guess I'm also blaming the "too much talking" part XD
Ugh. I'm feeling a lot of negative things towards Hyun Soo right now so I'll just skip ranting about her.
Oh goody, Lollypip! You have my heart. I was amazed on how you worded your interpretation of Jung Sun's confrontation with his Dad. I was just nodding my head the whole time I was reading that part of the commentary. I KNEW I felt that way BUT I didn't know how to put it into words. I had to repeat Jung Sun's reaction (or lack thereof) when his father raised his hand. That was so painful to watch </3
Also, this line...
"As if he’s just been waiting for that slap all his life, and he was almost relieved that this was finally it."
... the moment I read this part, I wanted to teleport to TOL dramaland and give Jung Sun a big hug and probably also end up hiding him away from all the bad things in this world. No matter what happens, I'll keep rooting for his character.
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21 bogumlips
November 14, 2017 at 9:21 AM
Hyun-soo may be older but she's not ready yet for this relationship. From the beginning Jung-sun knew he wanted her and he showed her time and again that he loves her. Granted he has a lot of baggage he needs to sort out but loving her is never in question.
They need to break up let her date Jung-woo which this is where it's going and maybe her and her mother will finally see what a mistake that will be.
Hong-ah will be a bitch till the end. And if Won-joon leaves that sweet girl for that bitch he deserves everything coming his way
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22 Sara
November 14, 2017 at 9:45 AM
Dear Llolypip,
As a faithfull beanie I have to tell you how much I appreciate your effort on recapping this show.
It became plain boring to me 5 episodes ago bc all I saw was talk and no feel. Side stories, totally meh and potential OTP chemistry down the toilet.
Big clap to you for making the effort though, I will still read you recaps until the very end, cos Im your fan :)
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sriracha
November 14, 2017 at 10:47 AM
And the injustice they did to Kim Jae-wook's character as Jung-woo. Jae-wook can only do so much with a sloppily-written character, pffft.
But yeah, thank you indeed for the effort @LollyPip !
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23 ys
November 14, 2017 at 10:44 AM
Those of you who stopped watching the show and just reading recaps (I'm almost ready to join you!) missed out on Jungsun softly calling Hyunsoo by her name when she told him that she feels uneasy and rejected.
That "Hyunsoo-yah..." made me all tingly and lightheaded. Breaking the taboo of calling someone older by their name is so mrawr when it's the younger male doing it.
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skelly
November 14, 2017 at 4:19 PM
I need to go back and look for this. I feel for him, I really do - he is such a Beta male and I think HS may be realizing she wants a little more Alpha in her life.
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Herlene
November 14, 2017 at 5:52 PM
Yes I am starting to think that maybe she is more compatible with a beta boyfriend coz she is doing all the maneuvering in her relationships with Jung-Sun, due to him being younger I guess
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24 loveblossom🌸
November 14, 2017 at 10:47 AM
There were no bright moments in this episode. There hasn’t been any for a while. All it is angst, angst, angst. The next episode looks like it will be worse. Even Kyung started to annoy me. I wish she would be less prickly and loud towards Joon Ha. It would be nice if she gave him a chance and their side story turned out cute and fluffy. It’s not clear the reason why she is dismissing his attempts at affection when she actually has feelings for him. Maybe because he is a little immature. And maybe I’m just tired of Kyung’s shouts.
Hong Ah annoyed me with that backhug too. UGH. Like she doesn’t have romantic feelings for Won Joon. Thank goodness, he was firm in rejecting her.
Hyun Soo and Jung Woo’s characters have lost any special spark about them. Gosh, I don’t even know about Jung Woo anymore. Where is his passion and fight for her? He’s just lingering in the background for me, but he has already one-upped Jung Sun by easily winning over her parents. I feel bad for Jung Sun who is trying hard to please her parents and making his relationship with Hyun Soo work.
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25 ocarina
November 14, 2017 at 10:52 AM
again i am agree with everything you said lollypop at this point i hate hs omma, ceo and hs how she is so selfish and throw tantrum on js every time and so calm to every one else she flitring with jw after breaking js heart was awful to watch(ep 33.34) i never think i would say that but now i want js leave hs and they never com back together and she marry ceo and feel somthing is missing in her whole life.they suit each other two selfish person.
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26 thatstp
November 14, 2017 at 11:26 AM
The HyunSoo hate is really disappointing. Most of the comments are about her being selfish and JungSun being so great. The comment that stood out to me the most was that HyunSoo isn't ready for a relationship. I think JungSun isn't ready.
HyunSoo is opening up and willing to share everything about herself, shortcomings and all with JungSun. He on the other hand only wants to share a small portion of himself. He wants her to wait until he feels comfortable opening up which is a reasonable request but only for so long. How can their relationship move forward when one person isn't opening up? He's doing all the superficial aspects of being a good boyfriend but holding back on the emotional part which is the very thing that brings people closer. HyunSoo is frustrated and how she's dealing with it is part of her flaws but she's not wrong. It is selfish to expect your s.o to give themselves to you completely while you withhold part of you for whatever reason. JungSun has every reason and right to be hesitant to open up. He should be allowed to do so in his own time however, when he sees that it's causing damage to the relationship with the woman he supposedly loves it might be time to take a chance and let the chips fall where they may. If he can't or doesn't want to open up to HyunSoo he needs to get out of the relationship. He also needs to ask himself if he should be dating anyone until he works out how to deal with his troubled family issues and have the ability to share his whole self with the person he loves.
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tummy
November 14, 2017 at 6:33 PM
I guess the comments come off as "Hyunsoo hate" but it is probably more nuanced. I get the gist of your argument, but here is a response that possibly counters it.
A romantic relationship is based on care, respect and communication. It really cannot be based on entitlement and blind reciprocity.
To be in a relationship is not extinguishing one's selfhood. It (contrary to some ideas) is NOT two persons becoming one. Everyone is entitled to the privacy of their thoughts and experiences and to decide on how much they are willing to share especially when it involves the privacy of third parties.
It is her choice as to the kind of relationship she expects, but beanies are probably more correct to criticize her if that is not based on respect to the other party.
You wrote, "It is selfish to expect your s.o to give themselves to you completely while you withhold part of you for whatever reason." So did JungSun ever expect that of Hyunsoo? Hyunsoo may be the kind of person that chooses to do that. It is her choice and personality. Does it obligate JungSun to reciprocate? Are relationships based on trying to "one up" the other i.e. "Anything I am willing to do, you MUST do too to PROVE that you love me"?
"He also needs to ask himself if he should be dating anyone until he works out how to deal with his troubled family issues and have the ability to share his whole self with the person he loves." I might agree broadly with the first part of the statement but I certainly don't agree with the latter. To have a good relationship is not the "ability to share his whole self".
Even in the most loving (especially in the most loving) relationships, the parties involved respect the privacy of the other and understand that boundaries of selfhood do exist.
- Because they care for each other, they INVITE sharing.
- Because they respect the other, they don't DEMAND it.
- Because they are committed, they don't walk away.
Your best friend is the one who holds you and sits besides you when you cry without the need for explanation or justification. They are unconditionally there FOR YOU.
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Herlene
November 14, 2017 at 7:51 PM
well said :)
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Hannasj
November 14, 2017 at 6:49 PM
No la, the problem is Hyun Soo is being whiny. She dont really share what she felt and wants that well either. Its more like she's demanding Jung Sun to emotionally open himself up to her. One must understand with someone having complicated childhood and having extremely low self-esteemed about it, that is not the way she should do it. She is more mature, so she should know better not to DEMAND it out of him but TALK and persuade him softly. Seriously people should see that this is not only about her being frustrated that Jung Sun closed her off emotionally but it also about her having only a little sense of loyalty, she only want fluffy fluff love but when problem occur she's throwing tantrum being whiny and sadly to say she's swaying towards Jung Woo. Where is her loyalty towards their relationship?? And dont even compare it with Hong ah and Won Joon because they are not a couple. So loyalty is not an issue between them. And who said Hyun Soo is trying to talk out her mind with Jung Sun. She wants him to follow her demand without actually telling him what she wants to improve in their relationship. Yes she did say she wants him to emotionally open himself up to her and he did answer he needs time and that is not exactly the answer she wants which makes all Jung Sun effort to mend their relationship after that seems fickle and wrong in her eyes. Seriously at this point of time they should be better off without each other. But i bet even after breaking up at some point of a time Hyun Soo will be emotionally reminiscing and regretting their break up because that is exactly how she is. Too emotional when judging and making decision and the result would be she would be whining inside to get back with Jung Sun which i hope should not happe cause the history will actually repeat itself. Jung Sun hmm i dont think he is ready for any relationship actually the guy's too closed off emotionally that he should just focus on his work because that is where he shine even without love and hoping someday he would realize when he is more mature that it is part his fault for his failed relationship for being physically attached to a relationship but not emotionally. For Hyun Soo i dont think hot burning love is for her. She would be better off in a more stable relationship with guys who are well-off in career, money and emotionally stable because at the end of the day i think she is the exact mould of her mother, putting that as frontliner point to choose from a partner.
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Miranda
November 14, 2017 at 9:24 PM
I disagree. He's mostly worked out his family issues - he knows who he is, who his mother is and who his father is. But when you date someone, you need to take your cue from them. If they ask you not to meet with their parent, then DON'T MEET WITH THEIR PARENT. You should have enough respect and love for your partner to either understand their motivations, or to discuss it with them to change their mind before making that move. Hyun Soo not only violated that trust (and made it damn clear that she's an easy mark for mom) but she then lightly referenced that Jung Sun's father abused his mother. I literally gasped when she did that so casually, because she is apparently an idiot devoid of empathy or compassion.
Hyun Soo is expecting an unreasonable amount of disclosure for her level of investment and she's also being a crappy girlfriend when it comes to her mom. I am relatively neutral on Jung Sun as a boyfriend - clearly the man has his issues that would be frustrating. But I am VERY sure that Hyun Soo is quickly becoming a loser of a girlfriend - she's making unreasonable demands, allowing her family to interfere and generally acting like a selfish idiot. I want her away from Jung Sun ASAP, because while he may frustrate her, I believe she could do damage to him.
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Christy Gaitanis
November 15, 2017 at 12:02 AM
He hasn't worked out his family issues at all. He still keys them for his life. That's why he tried to hide from his mother, and why he forbid HS from talking to her.
He needs some intense therapy to work out his childhood trauma and resentment before he'll ever be ready and open in a relationship.
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Miranda
November 15, 2017 at 5:38 AM
He’s the child of a narcissist. He’s doing really well drawing boundaries. “Working out family issues” is a different prospect in this situation. Jung Sun, compared to most narcissist’s kids, is doing REALLY well.
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27 Demigod
November 14, 2017 at 11:48 AM
This is the first time I feel like telling HS, just give it up, go away, go get your prince charming and leave that young man to find his own happiness. He does not deserve this. As someone with a big scar of being abused as a child, having a partner who tries to understand how dark is your past is essential. They won't be able to truly grasp the idea, especially when they're coming from a loving family. But, trying to understand it would be one step closer for intimacy. You are alone in relationship, exactly because you are alone with your own ideas of r/s, HS. Just leave him alone, and move on. He deserves someone's better!
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28 PakalanaPikake
November 14, 2017 at 3:36 PM
Thank you for continuing to recap and comment on TEMPERATURE OF LOVE, LollyPip! Kudos for your perseverance and dedication. I realize that TOL has been losing viewers, but it looks as if there are some die-hard Beanies who are in it for the long haul. I'm one of them, so thank you for recapping well -- and very quickly. ;-)
I'm too sleep-deprived to write coherently now, so will save most of my comments for later.
I just added links to more OSTs on my fan wall, including Part 10, and Buzz's rendition of "Thorn" ("Gashi"), which Joon-ha sang at the noraebang.
Here's one for Jung-sun. It's not in the OST or background music, but it's very apropos for him.
David Wilcox: “Covert War” (Home Again CD, 1991)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl7h9SSnb7U
Laters, gang. ;-)
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lotus
November 15, 2017 at 10:59 AM
Thank you for this! I can't wait for your BGM analysis of Episodes 33-34. I heard some really nice songs but I can't seem to catch the lyrics :(
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29 Miranda
November 14, 2017 at 5:46 PM
Have I mentioned I have Hyun Soo's mom? But unlike Hyun Soo, my mom got pushback early on and is a much milder version now. (I'm actually kind of curious as to whether Hyun Soo's sister has a more balanced relationship with her parents, she seems feisty/nuts).
Hyun Soo is allowing her mother to set the tempo, and it's making me crazy. OBVIOUSLY her mom is edging out Jung Sun, and Hyun Soo is letting her. Mom is reading that as encouragement and going all-out. If you think of this from Jung Sun's point of view it's madness: Hyun Soo not telling him about the surgery, not telling him about Jung Woo's financial help, not drawing clear boundaries with her mother regarding the financial help, not drawing clear boundaries about the dinner... What the hell?! And all of this is retribution for not instantly opening up about his parents?
Hyun Soo is too immature for this relationship, WAY too immature. She wants her parents' relationship without seeming to understand that it is in its own way kind of weird - Dad is unbalanced with Mom and Mom is manipulative as hell.
Jung Sun has a narcissistic mother, an emotionally abusive father and family violence in his past - and though Hyun Soo claims to want to know about it, her first foray into that knowledge was to overrule Jung Sun's request and meet with his mom. She has ground to make up, but instead she tantrums and then starts withholding. Are you kidding me? How about going over to his place, making him coffee and then just asking him about his day? You do not go straight to "tell me about your Dad hitting your mom OH WAIT I already know because she told me"!
Jung Sun is difficult in other ways, he's right. But many women would know that it's a long process to crack that history; Hyun Soo apparently does not, and appears to be so pathologically self-involved that she can't see this from his point of view. At this stage I want to get her away from him, anywhere away from him, leave her and her aggressively self-satisfied family to continue their middle class pursuit of acceptable. Bleh.
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Dani
November 14, 2017 at 6:18 PM
I completely agree. I feel like the people siding with Hyun-Soo have never dealt or met people like Jung-Sun. Hyun-Soo may feel left out but patience is a must when dealing with people like Jung-Sun and if she can't do that; then she needs to bounce and find someone who will confide in her straight away.
It's appalling how she doesn't realise how whiny and self-centred she sounds; she's pretty much telling him, "I'm not patient enough to wait until you're comfortable enough to talk about this so I'll snoop around, invade your privacy by asking your mother and then with no subtly throw it in your face and forcefully pry into your life. And if you question or try to reason with me, I'll throw a tantrum like I'm 17 again."
I can relate to Jung-Sun when it comes to opening up and when people dismiss that and don't think it's enough, It's incredibly painful because you've had to take leaps to talk about something that painful. If she wants her relationship with him to last then she needs to put his needs first and understand that he can't talk about it like the weather.
Like you said, she's not ready to have relationship with Jung-Sun. At this rate, it's best for them to break up, I'd honestly rather Jung-Sun rise from this and learn to heal with his good soup crew and himself.
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30 Varsha
November 14, 2017 at 7:54 PM
She reject him once and broke his heart then she was behind him like a puppy to be with him again and now break his again and leave him. He deserves a better girl - someone who'll love him as much as he loves her.
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31 lunatic4kd
November 14, 2017 at 10:22 PM
I may have to drop this drama - Hyun-Soo is making me so mad and it makes me sad to stop loving a drama I liked so much in the beginning. Besides - life is so happy right now. I'm fully absorbed in BTS being in the USA right now and I'll be going to the AMAs in LA on Sunday. This is such happy stuff that I have zero patience for a drama that's gone off the rails. I'll now wait til it's over.
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November 14, 2017 at 11:58 PM
Omg congrats ~~~ give them lots of love :D
I just saw the Corden previews and woooow am so happy the fan chants were amazing <3 <3
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32 Loading
November 14, 2017 at 11:31 PM
Ah Jungsun does express his love by feeling responsible. Thats how he loves!!
Why does Hyunsoo think sharing painful back stories is the only way to express love? And when she says she wishes he does something wrong, like does she want a reason to guilt him to doing something she wants?
I feel like actual love from hyunsoo would be not pressuring him for the thing she wants most.
I thought love is when you care for the person so much that you are willing to sacrifice for them? Will her feelings change once she hears his trauma? Does knowing his pain make it any less painful for him? She is not even a real therapist so why does she think that will fix everything? Is security for their relationship paid through traumatic event storytelling? UGHHHHHHH
Thank you LolliPip for the recaps.
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33 vangoghsgirl
November 15, 2017 at 12:45 AM
I'm definitely OK if JS and HS don't end up together. JS deserves someone better - someone out there in dramaland, beyond the confines of this increasingly frustrating drama.
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34 PakalanaPikake
November 15, 2017 at 5:43 AM
Where, oh where, to begin? I'll start with Jung-woo because a couple of observations bubbled up in the wee hours this morning.
One of the things that caught my ear in this episode was his reply to Hyun-soo's statement that he's always doing things for her, but she hasn't done anything for him. He says that she has, but does not elaborate. I suspect that he may have been referring to the feeling of being part of a family again. Maybe even having a mother figure in his life after her mother brought him a jar of her homemade citron tea. He looked so touched when she gave it to him that I could not help but think about that scene of him as a little boy with his own mom, who clearly loved him to pieces. She's probably the last person who loved him unconditionally, which is really sad.
The pre-surgery interludes in Mom's hospital room were of warmth and inclusion, especially for Jung-woo. I do not think that he necessarily used his connections to arrange timely, top-notch neurosurgery for Hyun-soo's mother simply because he was trying to win over her daughter, although that's always in the back of my mind. I think he wanted to spare Hyun-soo and her family the kind of loss he suffered. Maybe his mom died because his father was off conducting business and wasn't around to pay attention to her health until it was too late. To be cynically pragmatic, I could say that he's doing everything he can to support the scriptwriter of his company's drama that's heading into production soon. He's protecting his investment. That might be the excuse he would use.
In the scene at the hospital when Hyun-soo arrives with Jung-sun's lunch boxes, her sister prevailed upon Jung-woo to stick around and eat with them. Then she stole one of Hyun-soo's shrimp and bickered with her. He looked uncomfortable, but I don't think it was hearing his rival's name that was causing him discomfort. He got to see family dynamics at work (including sibling rivalry), and may have realized that Hyun-soo's kin were not really as nice as they appeared. Jung-woo knows far better than Dad and Hyun-yi the care, effort, and time that Jung-sun puts into every morsel, and while they raved about the flavors, they took the cook for granted. (Talk about casting pearls before swine! Grr!) He knows the chef is busting his butt to save his restaurant, too. I wonder what he would have thought if he heard that conversation between Mom and Dad about feeling burdened by Jung-sun's kindness. Funny how his having gobs of money prevents them from feeling burdened by him. It's downright magical.
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PakalanaPikake
November 15, 2017 at 6:19 AM
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When I think of Jung-woo's office at On Entertainment, I'm reminded of Superman's Fortress of Solitude. Like Ka-El, Jung-woo was launched out of his father's collapsing business empire to land in an alien world where, through his own hard work and single-minded dedication, he grew up to become an invincible tycoon. But this Man of Steel is lonely, and has vulnerabilities of his own.
He's got a Mom-shaped hole in his heart. Unfortunately, the two pseudo-moms he's encountered have turned out to be poor substitutes for his own Mother of sainted memory. Jung-sun's mom is fun in small doses, but she's a gold-digger at heart. At least she's upfront and honest about it. Hyun-soo's mother is more problematical, in my estimation, because she's covertly judgmental and may be even more manipulative than Jung-sun's mom.
Jung-woo should just bite the bullet and hire Fake Family Service (the alternate title of BAD FAMILY, which is hilarious and touching). As head of On Entertainment, he's in a position to hire only the very best talent for the job.
Geez, it just hit me that sibling rivalry may have played a part in the destruction of Jung-woo's friendship with Jung-sun. The two have been described as “like brothers” by Narcissistic Mom. Since both are only children, neither ever learned how to roughhouse – especially Jung-sun, what with his father's history of domestic violence. Jung-woo's loyalty test blew up in his face and he lost the nearest person he had to a brother. I'm beginning to think that he misinterpreted Hyun-soo's inability to move on from her anonymous ex as loyalty and devotion. Nope, that would be regret, with a side of guilt.
I felt really bad for Jung-woo when Hyun-soo gave him those classy lapis (or were they onyx?) cufflinks. It's not as if she will ever be helping him with them or his tie in the future, and I think that is why he looked so sad.
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35 PakalanaPikake
November 15, 2017 at 8:21 AM
My hackles rose as soon as she said that. Little kids want to play with matches, but no responsible adult lets them do so. I'm beginning to think that she wants him to act like her love-addled dad. What bothered me more was the emphasis on what she wants rather than what they both want, or what's best for both of them.
What a painful scene.
In Hyun-soo's family of origin, what passes for love is really Mom and Dad's codependent pas de deux that gave short shrift to their children. Dad is a total pushover who panics at the mere thought of losing her. Mom is the iron fist in the velvet glove, a master of manipulation and entrapment. She must have a black belt in Guilting Surreptitiously. Watching her secretly meet with Jung-woo the first time left me feeling very uneasy, and my willies have been borne out. She's like a spider who has woven a web to entrap Jung-sun and take him out of the running.
Hyun-soo's disclosure to Jung-sun that her parents had a hard time conceiving was the first time I recall hearing that she'd been pressured into being the Family Hero. She owes them for her existence. I bet Mom never lets her forget it.
Given that Jung-sun's conception led to his parent's shotgun wedding, I can understand his self-restraint. I would not put it past his mother if she purposely got pregnant to ensnare his father, only to discover his violent tendencies too late.
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PakalanaPikake
November 15, 2017 at 8:32 AM
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Jung-sun's later confrontation with his father is telling and all too realistic. Now the truth comes out: Dad was beaten by his father. The significance of this revelation is that individuals with dysfunctional behaviors do not exist in a vacuum. If anything, they are the canaries in the coal mine who sound the alarm that the atmosphere in a family is toxic. This is the reason why various addictions are termed “family diseases.” They are self-destructive adaptations to sick family systems that continue from generation to generation. Unless a person makes a conscious, healthy effort to change their default behavior and attitudes, they will likely replicate it in their adult life, and even recreate their family of origin. Jung-sun seems to know this, and is consciously attempting to break the cycle. He's never said anything, but I can't help but wonder if he's spent a fair amount of time in therapy already.
Hyun-soo, on the other hand, seems to be oblivious to the ways in which her family is unhealthy, and her own role in that reality. It makes her look immature in comparison to Jung-sun. I try to give her the benefit of the doubt, although, like LollyPip, I've been very turned off by her latest bouts of self-centered whining. She's beginning to sound like Hong-ah. More on Hyun-soo in a separate post.
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36 PakalanaPikake
November 15, 2017 at 9:40 AM
I went back and rewatched this scene between Jung-sun and Hyun-soo because several bits of dialogue jumped out at me. Keep in mind that she had been drinking at the noraebang.
“If I'm unhappy, it's because of me, not you. If I choose unhappiness, then that's happiness.” This reminded me of something in one of the early episodes. I rewatched the first two, but it must be later. – At least she admits that unhappiness is her own choice. It seems that she has chosen a weird way to define happiness, however. I've been suspecting that Hyun-soo is depressed, or of melancholic temperament. Her mother is not the happiest looking person I've ever seen. Unless she's turning on the charm, she looks pretty glum most of the time. It may be due to illness, or that might just be her normal demeanor.
When Hyun-soo minimized Jung-sun's attempts to take care of her by cooking for her parents, she did so by saying that she didn't ask him to do it. This smells like a damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't ploy on Hyun-soo's part. I can just imagine the hissy fit she would have thrown if he hadn't done anything. All along, he has consistently done thoughtful, kind things for her. He puts his heart into what he does, but she does not seem to recognize it. Maybe he makes it look too easy.
It's ironic that when he asked her not to hang out with his mother, she went ahead and did it anyway because she wanted to have a good relationship with her potential mother-in-law. Forget about honoring his wishes. Yes – I know this runs against filial piety. But shouldn't that have sent up two red flags that his relationship with his mother is so bad that he would dare to buck such a strong social convention?
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PakalanaPikake
November 15, 2017 at 10:05 AM
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“You must feel that way... because that's what you do.” I just about cheered when Jung-sun quietly stated that her own attitudes and actions are causing her to feel that way. Hallelujah! (The exact same thing is going on with Hong-ah, but she hasn't given herself enough misery to change her tune yet.)
Hyun-soo feels unloved when she's not enmeshed with Jung-sun. What she wants is codependency – the one thing he's been fighting tooth and nail to break free of. If you've been suffocated all your life, anything less feels like abandonment.
Back in episode 2, Hyun-soo said, “I feel like I'm a garden tiger moth... that flies into fire knowing it could die. Despite that feeling, even if I die, I still want to go into the fire.” This dovetails with something else she told Jung-sun in that episode: “I'm sorry. I always have to see something through in my way.” Even when they first knew each other, Hyun-soo had a fatalistic, melancholic streak. I don't think she's changed much – she's just become more so.
What alarms me is that recent conversation with her mother. Mom reminisced that Hyun-soo was ruthless about dating when she was studying in school. I think she still is. It would not surprise me if she quickly terminated any relationship back then that proved to be challenging.
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37 PakalanaPikake
November 15, 2017 at 10:15 AM
But if you recall the earlier scene when Won-joon told the sommelier that he was moved by her a little, she replied that she was grateful he had even a little bit of feeling for her. I thought it was touching, down-to-earth, and mature. They like each other as coworkers and people. In my book, that's the best kind of basis for a romance. Soo-jung is a wise and insightful person. It was her idea to date for a month and see how it goes. It's so reasonable I almost can't stand it. And Won-joon is pleasantly surprised by her low-key proposal. Let's take a test drive, and give ourselves a decent amount of time to see where this takes us. No expectations. No destination. The joy is in the journey. I'm rooting for these two. They seem to be the show's Voices of Reason.
Regarding Narcissistic Mom's apparent attempt to change, I respectfully disagree with LollyPip that that leopard can or will change her spots. She's just putting on an act to try to snow him. Sure enough, when she waltzes into his home to cook his favorite meal from childhood, she starts grilling him about how much money he can give her. And when that's not enough to suit her, she starts angling for a piece of land. Damn, she never gives up. And then she sics Dad on him.
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lotus
November 15, 2017 at 11:46 AM
Hello, @pakalanapikake I love reading your comments. I had to read them twice to fully absorb their meaning. English is such a wonderful language. It is my greatest desire to be as articulate as others who have mastered the language.
Your description of Jung Woo as Man of Steel was so on point. I hope he finds his own happiness soon, so he won't resort to hiring Fake Family Service. Heh.
Sigh. I can't believe what the show did to Hyun Soo's character. When exactly did she start acting like a self-centered woman who wishes for her partner to give in to her selfish (dare I say unreasonable) whims? It was so frustrating watching her demand nonstop without evaluating her words/actions and how they would affect her relationship with Jung Sun. Has she always been like this? I mean, is this the personality that is bound to make or break things for them?
“You must feel that way... because that's what you do.” Oh dang, Jung Sun nailed it. Projection at its best. I also cheered when I heard this line. It's really amazing how Jung Sun takes everything seriously. I admire how calm he analyzes his concerns and how mature he deals with them. And this is the part Hyun Soo doesn't get. Jung Sun isn't trying to be perfect. He isn't. He knows that. But unfortunately, Hyun Soo is seeing another version of their situation.
"They like each other as coworkers and people. In my book, that's the best kind of basis for a romance." YES. YES and YESSS. I can't stop grinning when Soo Jung and Won Joon are on screen. It's adorable watching them interact with each other. I see respect and mutual understanding and I think that's beautiful.
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PakalanaPikake
November 15, 2017 at 1:16 PM
Thank you so much for your kind comments, @chakhanseupeu. Is English your second language? You write very well. ;-)
As for Hyun-soo's apparent personality transplant, maybe she was abducted by space aliens. The person we're seeing is actually a changeling. That would explain a lot. ;-)
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38 cheremaman
November 16, 2017 at 10:55 AM
Sadly, I think I can better handle this drama by simply reading your recaps. I am more sympathetic to Jung-su and seeing his angst and interactions with Hyun Soo, I can better handle the emotional discomfort by reading your words instead of visually and audibly experiencing it by watching the show. Too many people are beating on Jung-Su---Jung-su's parents, Jung Woo and Hyun Soo's mother---in addition to Hyun Soo and thus I have become protective of Jung-sun and think he should somehow ice every one out now until he regains a better equilibrium. He could also tell them where to get off but that would meaning burning bridges and it's not in his nature anyway. He withdraws and holds it all in.
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