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Bound by tragedy, healing through love in JTBC’s Just Between Lovers

Oh I love the unexpected cute that will, hopefully, counteract some of the heavier melo elements in Just Between Lovers. JTBC’s new melodrama has about three weeks left until its premiere, and the station has released four new teasers to give us a closer look at our leads, played by Junho (Chief Kim) and rookie Won Jin-ah, as well as our first brief glimpses of Lee Ki-woo (Woman of Dignity), Kang Hanna (Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo), and Na Mun-hee (Dear My Friends).

Junho and Won Jin-ah’s characters are bound together through tragedy, both having miraculously survived a horrible accident that claimed the lives of their family members, and to an extent, their futures. Kang-doo, played by Junho, lives a rough life in the back streets after losing his father and his dream of becoming a soccer athlete. He seems a bit hot-headed, getting into fights regularly, even when the odds aren’t in his favor. It’s after one such brawl that he first meets Moon-soo, played by Won Jin-ah, as she warily enters the alley where he’s lying bloody and barely conscious. He narrates, “That wind changed everything.”

Moon-soo narrates the same line offscreen in the next short teaser, as the two sit together on a bench. The female lead holds a similar pain to Kang-doo, having lost her younger sister to what looks like a major accident, but Moon-soo doesn’t wear her scars on her sleeve. It’ll be interesting to see how two people who’ve dealt with their pain so differently come together to heal each other. They certainly look adorable together, when Kang-doo approaches her in the rain to “repay my debt in the alley before,” and he pulls her into a hug.

I thought that Kang Hanna and Lee Ki-woo’s characters were just colleagues at the architecture firm where Moon-soo works, but it look like they also have a shared history, perhaps a relationship that ended badly. She asks whether he would’ve acted differently, to which he replies, “I would’ve stayed, despite everything.” Out of them all, though, Kang-doo sounds the most jaded, asking who will compensate for the suffering of those who have lived miserable lives, and that you have to be crazy to live in this world. Maybe he got it from Yoon Se-ah (Forest of Secrets), who has become his only family after the accident, and though we don’t get to see her in the teasers, we can hear her say that it’s the “weak ones that will get all excited over the trivial things.”

I’m just holding out hope that the romance between Kang-doo and Moon-soo is as cute as the last teaser makes it look, because him getting thrown off kilter by her wordless, motherly actions—like tidying up his hair and buckling his seatbelt—are the cutest thing. Take in the stray, slightly feral puppy and shower him with love, Moon-soo! And I completely agree with the offscreen remarks made about how Kang-doo looks at Moon-soo “the way a man looks at a woman.” The show hasn’t even started and I’m already rooting for these two to be adorable constantly.

Just Between Lovers will air on Mondays and Tuesdays on JTBC, starting on December 11.

Via iMBC (1), iMBC (2), Herald Pop, eNews 24

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What a beautiful drama I've ever seen!! I'm going to miss JBL sooooo much. Oh God, how can we survive after this? I already feel the emptiness 😭😭
Thank you PD nim and writer nim for giving us such a great drama with excellent storyline and casts ❤❤ Good job for my baby Junho and Won Jinah too.

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I cant help feeling excited every time I see the increasing number of comments because despite being a silent participant, I am part of this thread..

Thank you @GB @hades @tom and other Beanies for making it a comfortable place to share our passion for JBL..
Still looking forward to reading your comments and opinions faithfully..

Ps : can we please make it to 2500?

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LOL! @Belle Eve
You're most welcome!

We can continue for quite a while but whether we reach 2,500 may not be up to just a few of us. Of course, it will be easier with more help, and if there is something more to discuss and to think about besides squees. Also, since every comment goes into JB/GF's emails, out of respect and to not add 'spam' we try to post comments with a little depth, ie more than just "squee!"

So please do add your ideas, comments and questions. We'll be around to read you from time to time and respond as the best that we can!

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I think notification emails goes into tipsymocha’s email since she’s the one who wrote this article. I’ve been meaning to say this since I’ve started commenting on this thread, I’m sorry for all the emails you’ve been receiving from me @tipsymocha. ^__^

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No need to apologize. :) It's been fun following the conversations, though I haven't been able to watch the show itself. Yet.

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I’m glad to know that. ^^

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What a rollercoaster ride this last episode was!
Kang-doo needs a liver transplant and no one is a match. I, like everyone in the drama, feel DEFEATED. But after reading other Beanie’s comments last week about the happy endings that tend to be JTBC’s drama pattern, I held on to the hope that Kang-doo was going to survive. And then Sang-man is a match! HOORAY! But THEN, the surgery couldn't happen. I basically cursed the drama universe. For the exact reason that Moon-soo did… why survive all the hardship for so long, finally finding some happiness, just to die so soon. The Beanies were wrong; JTBC decided to mix it up a bit. And so, acceptance. I already began imaging what made Moon-soo smile as wide as she did in front of the bathhouse as I remember seeing in the ep16 preview. Maybe she was looking at her mom, her dad, her best friend. I already began thinking ok, this is what Kang-doo would have wanted her to do… live her life knowing she’s not at fault and she’s loved. Nevertheless, my heart was CRUSHED and temporarily uplifted with the cute date/hotel scene. But the sweetness and beauty that was the hotel and the rooftop scenes (tell him you love him, Moon-soo!) were just reinforcing the inevitability of Kang-doo’s death. Ugh!
Fast forward to a year later… I care about the other characters, I do. But WHAT HAPPENED TO KANG-DOO?? Just show me already, Show! And then there he is! Studying. RELIEF! And the flashback… an organ donor! YES! Tears of joy!! When he’s walking to meet Moon-soo at the bathhouse and almost gets run over TWICE, I thought, don’t do it, Show!! And luckily, Kang-doo and Moon-soo live happily (ever after). Breathe. HEART FULL.
I love “Just Between Lovers” so much. In all of the dramas I’ve watched, I think this is the most perfect. From day one, the characters/actors drew me in. Their stories gripped me. Every episode left me drained because I was so emotionally invested in them. Like many of you Beanies, I felt that every detail, every aspect of this drama (e.g., Moon-soo applying lip gloss before meeting Kang-soo on their date, the symbolism of the bath house rennovation, the evolution of both Kang-doo and Moon-soo’s outfits, the timing of Moon-soo’s “I love you", the words the writer chose, the cinematography, the soundtrack… there’s just too many to list) was carefully thought through and had a purpose. This drama, like many dramas that speak to our hearts and souls, is allowing for discussion on difficult topics such as tragedy, coping with it, and responsibility for it. And I LOVE our Dramabeans community because you’re all so thoughtful/smart/eloquent in your discussions, and at the same time, totally overexcited and such addicts (who wouldn’t be with JBL?!)
Anyway, I’m blabbing. I'm off to read more Beanie insights and join the JBL Withdrawal Symptoms Support Group. I’m going to close with a big thanks to JBL staff for having delivered a wonderful drama, to JTBC for airing it,...

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@littlecharmsy
I feel you! All in the same boat, we are. I can re-watch and practically feel the same all over again, as if I wasn't already spoiled LOL.

One thing this show has dared to lay out (tease us with) after getting us so emotionally invested in GD, is that just because someone is a good guy and deserving of a long and happy life, does not necessarily mean he will get it. Certainly in RL we know things can get unfair, however I guess in our drama watching, we'd like some level of reality but the kind that is not too painful. 😆

I'm glad to say though, that when I thought it through, it seemed that the show did not cop out by giving us a living and happy GD. So it's all good! 😃

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Besides the great points in Comment 487 on Gang Doo's care for all ladies in his orbit, I was thinking of why 'we' ladies might fall in love with a character like GD.

- He is super generous and others-centred... even towards strangers and guys and it comes out in action. Instead of being jealous that MS could not remember he was relieved that she did not suffer like him.
- He recognises wisdom and follows good advice.
- He knows how to have fun (or did before the collapse when he teased MS through the one way glass wall).
- He does not pry or force confidence.
- He knows how to take care of people (as evidenced by how he cared even for Wan Jin and Joo Won).
- He is humble and does not need accolades, but at the same time is able to accept praises which are his due without false humility.
- He is honest in admitting his weaknesses and that his father may have been at fault.
- He is so smart... he impressed the high-flyer Yoo Jin, put Yoo Taek in his place and understood the real reason why Joo Won had put him at the construction site.
- He is full of heart - once clued in by Sang Man, he realised that the memorial lacked compassion and went all out to meet the families of survivors. In addition, he chose for the design of the memorial that it should contain the original pillars - the most fitting and poignant reminders. Plus, this was the perfect vehicle for helping Moon Soo with her own demons because putting pieces together was something she did best.
- He respects all who are weaker such as Sang Man, never seeing him as simple, and of course all ladies. He consciously avoided taking advantage of all the ladies around him.
- He defends the weak (took a beating to save Mary, and again to satisfy Yoo Taek for Mary's sake)
- He does not blame others for his lot and takes full responsibility.
- He is not greedy, as in, he does not appropriate anything that is not his, giving instead to the less fortunate.
- He knows how to be vulnerable and to show how much he cares for others. Best of all he knows how to say: "I love you" - something not many men can do.

*Sigh* Looks like the character of GD has ruined us for RL men!!! 😆

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There are many 'Gang doos' out there. He's unique in dramaland but not in RL. Sometimes we just don't recognize them.
Gang doo and Moon soo were the main reason why I watched this drama in the first place, despite melo is not my favorite genre. This is the first time I watched a drama where the characters and their problems were written like real people.
I'm glad when I read something like "I pray to God that He will send someone like Gang doo for me" or "I want Gang doo in my life" on social media :D. They're all sound hilarious, but I like that Gang doo has changed the idea of perfect guy from someone like Choi Hankyul, Minmin or Goblin.

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Who is Choi Hankyul???
Minmin from SWDBS?

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Coffee Prince. I like eunchan better than hankyul, but Goong yoo was soooo HOT.
Yes, I didn't watch SWDBS, only some of the clips on youtube and it seems many people like Minmin. When I tried to watch it, I didn't know why, I just couldn't pass episode 2.

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I watched SWDBS and I liked Ji-soo’s character more than PHS’s.

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My perfect guy was Choi Han Kyul eversince, until I met Lee Gang Doo. I fell head over heels for him.

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I feel the same. I'm absolutely clear that while I'm a fan of Lee Jun Ho, I'm crazy in love with the fictional character of Lee Gang Doo. Insanity!!!

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Same! Lol
I love KD more tjan LJH. 😍

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Finally got around to watching the last episodes! ....... What can I add to the comments that our fellow Beanies haven't already mentioned? It seems all that's left is to repeat that this was a fantastic drama.

From the beginning we were drawn into the world of the characters, which became so beloved, and it didn't let go. Through their hurt, struggles and ultimately, their healing, we were taken on journey we didn't want to end. We will certainly miss Gang-doo and Moon-soo.

I just want to thank all the Beanies who watched this and joined in the conversation here. Through your comments and observations, you made the Just Between Lovers viewing experience that much more positive! Thanks again, Beanies! You guys are great!

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Yes! beanies here made rhe experience even more meaningful and fun ❤️❤️❤️

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❤️❤️❤️

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I saw a panda patterned paper yesterday in a shop and the first thing that came to my mind was SANG MAN!
Because of that scene where he said about Panda being cute and people adore them, doesn't have problems and all. I love Sang Man, very, very much. I've said it so so many times in this comments section. Almost every comment I made and YES SANG MAN IS AMAZING.

So here's a thread for our martial art lover Sang Man
- Everyone taller than him is a hyung. His eyes when he looked at JOO WOON was pure admiration xD
- Punched the sand bag si well, Kang doo is shook.
- Knows many languages!
- Cares very very much about KD. MS KD shipper from the start xD
- Likes sweet things that KD bought for him.
- Read a story for KD from a... suspicious book 😂

Please do add more ❤️ I'm not good at remembering scenes xD
Also, I really enjoy all the comments here 😍 all the observations and the squeals and everything!!

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I remember several pages ago there's discussion about whether sang man was special needs or not. I don't think he is special. I believe he doesn't have father figure and over-protected (also over-spoiled) by his mother. He miss that father/brother figure in his life hence he calls everyone who is taller than him as hyung.
-he is very confidence about his look and think that he look like boknam (ah I still don't remember wanjin's assistant name 😁)
-he's anxious when gang doo was not around, so her mother gave him medicine to make him sleep
-he asked gang doo to buy odeng/toppoki kiosk so they can eat odeng whenever they want
-he told Gang doo that halmeoni is a gift from God for Gang doo

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If I recall correctly, he has older sibling(s) that are absent throughout the drama base on his mom's conversation with Kang Doo. Also, the assistant name is Jin Young.

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He does? I thought Sang man's mom was a single mother and raised him by herself. Oh, I have to check it again. Yes, Jin young! Bok nam sounds more catchy than Jin young, that's why I keep remember him as Bok nam, LOL.

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- Sang man is not reliable in keeping secret. Moon soo asked him not telling Gang doo about the food that she gave to him but he spoiled it.
- Sang man didn't know his hyung has a sister though they had been living together for 7 years at the time

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- He knows when he's being the third wheel. 😂😂
- He knows about Kang Doo hallucinations. He stayed with Kang Doo through the hallucination even if he's scared and said that the voice is bad.
- He believes if you made a mistake to/have a rift with someone, you should apologise and mend the rift as soon as possible.

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He knows what he sees. And he knows a lot about KD, from what he's observed - he knows that KD's bloody nose was not his first, he knows that he has hallucinations, he knows that KD gets into a lot of fights and his opponent is likely much worse off, he knows where KD hangs out...

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He says the right words at the right time.

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I'm finally here! I've been so busy this week I haven't had a chance to comment and join the party. 😭 But I've seen the finale since Tuesday and have read all your comments. My eyes have watered so much reading through this thread. Beanies, your comments = 💕

First of all...KD LIVED! AND IS HAPPY WITH MY GIRL MS!!! Just like you guys I was on pins and needles the whole episode. Especially when I saw it nearing the end I started getting nervous. I will admit though that when I finished episode 15, for whatever reason, I felt really reassured that KD wasn't going to die. By that point I felt we had been shown sooo many indicators of his 'death' that it probably meant it wasn't going to happen. Btw, did you guys ever catch that rumor that was going around about one of the drama's staff worker's wife (that's a handful) saying KD wasn't going to die? I read that last week but didn't know how credible it was. I just kind of dismissed it. Wellll I guess it was credible after all.

You guys dissected the finale so well that I really feel like I have nothing else to add. Well. Okay maybe a little. Can I just repeat how much I love Yoojin? When she came into the story I never imagined I would end up liking her so much. My head was spinning with KD/MS this week but I was all for YJ in episode 15 when she flat out said she didn't want to make the same mistakes from the past. As human beings we tend to find it difficult or uncomfortable to admit when we did something wrong. But here you have our girl, not only admitting she made mistakes in the past, but admitting it in front of JW. I feel that one of JW's coping mechanisms was jabbing at others as a result of all the resentment he harbored and never considering that they suffered as well (which btw he never took back telling her she had lost nothing pfft). I felt frustrated with him when YJ was telling him not to falter in doing what's right and instead of appreciating how much YJ has come around, he shoots back a sour 'you should have been like this back then.' Dudeee THE Yoojin, who's always so confident and assertive just stepped down a few inches to admit she did wrong in the past. She's admitted it in front of you, probably the person who's harbored the most anger and resentment towards her. I mean, that's the point of repenting for past errors; you would have liked to have done things differently in the past. I swear I was clapping for her.

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[cont] And I definitely think her realization and acceptance of past wrongdoings was heavily due in part to KD (MS as well but mostly KD because of their conversations). Again! The power of human relationships! How powerful is it to see how one human being can influence someone so deeply. And it made me appreciate the writing because the trajectory that YJ went through never felt forced or sudden. I never felt she was out of character even as we slowly started to see how she began to comprehend the entirety of the S Mall accident and its aftereffects. She was such an amazing female character. MS was amazing but so was YJ. Someone give me a spin off where we see YJ find that brave man who will love her and all her awesomeness! 😍 I LOVE HER.

While I'm on the topic of things I love...her friendship with KD. I never knew I needed this friendship in my kdrama life for it be complete. Their little comeradie was unique. They started off on opposite spectrums and ruffled each other's feathers but then we slowly saw them respect each other. Then they drunk away their love woes together. Which that was so cute by the way. You have the streetboy KD drinking his beer and beside him classy YJ (sitting on her coat so she doesn't sit on the bench! ha!) drinking her fine wine. They're so different but in that moment they bonded over similar heartaches. And then she said she'd be rooting for him. Aww. Well, the rest is history. It's so refreshing to see a male lead and a second female lead end up friends. Even more so, it's interesting how KD could have very easily resented YJ or maintained a cold distance from her, seeing as she was from the company. At first he did seem to lump her into the group of greedy business people but then he just saw her as her own person. This is another reason why I love KD. He's not quick to judge people and throw them aside if he deems them bad. He gives them time and if he thinks they're wrong, he'll speak his mind in hopes of helping them take a correct decision or open their eyes to a different point of view. Ahh our lovely YJ×KD friendship. Haha although I believe MS may need some warming up to that particular friendship. I can totally picture her getting jealous again.

Okay, apparently I have more to say. But it's late and I have to sleep. I'll return to the party tomorrow. 😚

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Great insight! The missing piece of maybe several missing pieces of analyses for this show. The story and its characters are so rich, there seems more to think about and to mine from it. Read ya again!

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Actually it’s not her coat but KD’s shirt. He was a little taken aback when she told him to remove his shirt when she arrived. :D

And yes, their friendship is rare in dramaland.

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Was reminiscing JBL today and just now saw your reply. And LOL you're right! I forgot about that. That makes it even better!!

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I dropped JBL at episode 4 for awhile. I guess the melo wasn't working with my INAR high. So once INAR was done, I went back, and I am so glad that I did. I love how the show melded into more of an ensemble show with Granny's death bringing them all together. I'm both ashamed and proud to admit that I stayed up so late binge watching JBL that I had to call in sick to work, and watch the last episode in the morning!

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I believe this the fullest official soundtrack for this show. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5KFVSkGSmM

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Thank’s GB! :*
I’ve been waiting for the ost’s release on itunes but it’s not available until now.

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I've listened to the songs many time but not fully to the instrumental parts. They are very beautiful and evoke as much emotion as the songs. I've yet to complete listening to the full OST. I feel I need to savour them as well!! :)

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Google translated the titles of the tunes:
Isn't it cute that one of them is called "My Grandmother" and another is "Bus-stop". :)

01. I love you (Title)
02. Open your eyes
03. Aurora (Feat. Kim Kyung Hee)
04. I just want to see you
05. You do that to me that day
06. Please stay.
07. What do you need to say
08. Where We
09. The sky of the day
10. My grandmother
11. Bus stop
12. Meaning of family
13. Mom's Footprint
14. I'm sorry.
15. Listen to my heart.

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That is so cute, and it makes sense too since granny is one of their shippers and bus stop is a memorable place for MS & KD. <3

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I've been watching episode 16 for maybe 3-4 times and I still don't understand Moon-soo in the first few minutes of the episode. When Gang-doo got up from bed then running around looking for her why she just stood there. The next scene we saw she walked down the stair, was she going to leave Gang-doo again? I still don't understand her decision for leaving Gang doo in episode 15. I feel like this time she stayed because Gang-doo was dying.

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@manohira
I was thinking about MS's reaction too. I was thinking how I'd behave. Sometimes even when we should be focusing on the other, we focus on ourselves first. Even in love, we don't love the other 100%.

My guess... or trying to put myself into MS's shoes.
I already feel bad about my sister and Sung Jae. I know it was not really my fault and I too could have died, but I can't help feeling 'bad' or some kind of guilt. Added to that is the regret that I was not nice to my little sister just before she died. Also she had wanted to follow me to meet Sung Jae, and if I had let her, she might have survived on the upper floor with me. I feel I ruined 2 lives there.

Then I get the horrible shock that not only did I blithely forget GD who was such a comfort and saved me during the tragedy, I had inadvertenly 'abandoned' him to spend 3 days alone with the corpse of my first love (of all person, it had to have been Sung Jae) who should not have been there, if not for me.

That GD suffers hallucinations and goodness knows what other trauma, that he is taking pills (which might be due to this) and ruining his liver,... seem somehow to be related to me and my stupid forgetfulness or selfish decisions.

But is it best of all or worst of all(?), GD, suffering so much as he is doing, although inadvertently or only partially due to me, instead of being angry and resentful, is loving me sincerely and giving me even more. I don't feel that I deserve it. It's not fair to him. I should not be taking anything more from him. Stuff like that, would go through my mind.

I want to get away so that I don't have to be confronted with this each time I see him.

It's a human flaw, self-pity, lack of self-compassion, trying to right a situation by needlessly suffering to balance out the ills. Whatever.

But when MS finally hear's in her memory what GD said in the stairwell, "Are you going to let that little thing trouble you to this extent?" she decided to go back.

Later on, she asks GD point blank, "You don't hate me?" (subtext: for somehow having a hand in ruining your life too?). His full hearted acceptance of her and not needing to forgive her anything, was in itself like forgiveness and brought healing.

Maybe I'd have come to the: "He needs me more than I need to run away - so I should stay with him no matter what" part sooner than Moon Soo did, but it's likely that the easier and less courageous path of disappearing would have been very tempting. Putting the other first was exemplified best by GD in so many situations, and not by MS or any of the others. The rest of us can only hope to emulate him, I guess!

GD saved MS's number on this mobile under 'Saint Moon Soo'. But we know it's more appropriate that we can remember him as 'Saint Gang Doo'. :)

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***Hugss**** @growingbeautifully
Yeah, beanies above me was right. your writing makes me chills..
Yeah, I think I kinda understand Moon soo. In episode 15 I wished she told Gang doo, I need more time to process everything, instead of pushing him away. Glad when JW asked her in episode 16, Gang doo resigned from his job, is there anything going between you and Gang doo? Moon soo quickly answer him, we're fine.
Gang doo is truly a saint for everyone around him.

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Aww thanks @manohira

Never knew I could be a 'good chills' sort of writer LOL! I thought you should be fast asleep. It's another school day tomorrow!!

The credit actually goes to the original writer, in that, she has created such a fantastically rich tapestry of characters and interactions, most or all of which are connected coherently, so that we can find so much to think about and to say about the show. It's such a joy to just examine the show from time to time, and to find something new! 😄

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I'll definitely sleep early tonight, OMG, I'm so tired 😥
I really want to recommend JBL to my students without looking ridiculous 😁, but I still have no idea how. I will find out later, I always did after all. The characters are so well written and aspiring that I wish JBL was already created when I was young

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@manohira
Idea on recommending JBL: I guess we start by saying what the show did for us, why it's so recommended and give them a little spoiler to entice them. (The kind of stuff I might have done when I did book talks and still do when something good just has to shared)

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I know @growingbeautifully gave a lovely answer to this, but I think sometimes the translations for the subs might not get the meaning across as best as they should so here's my take on it.

Moon Soo's biggest problem throughout the series was that she shouldered all the blame for everything by herself and lived with the guilt mentality of "I caused other people pain and suffering so I deserve to live in pain and not be happy myself." She struggled with overcoming her sense of self-hate and forgiving herself. Even in the beginning of episode 15 when they went to Sung Jae's house, Gang Doo had warned her many times before that she didn't need to tell the mother that she was the reason Sung Jae was at the mall that day. He knew that telling the truth would just make the mother upset and angry at Moon Soo (even if only temporarily) and then Moon Soo would feel even worse and blame herself more. Nevertheless, Moon Soo spoke up and Gang Doo respected her need to get it off her chest by not stopping her. However right afterwards, just as he predicted would happen, she was so overcome by her feelings of self-hatred that she wanted to break-up with him. (I think it was a translation error that some people thought she said "I hate you" to him. She only ever hated herself.)

When people suffer from grief, depression, or other mental illnesses they are often told "I can provide you all the help in the world, but it won't do you any good if you don't want to help yourself." That is exactly Moon Soo's problem. She's still so stuck in her mentality that she ruins other people's lives that even though Gang Doo has already forgiven her and sees the good in her she hasn't been able to find the courage and desire to do so for herself yet. Gang Doo realized that and so he forced himself to let her go, in the hopes that she would one day meet someone else that didn't remind her of her "mistakes" every time she looked at them and could find that strength and desire to move on and be happy. It may be a form of noble idiocy but it's a very realistic one.

Then in the beginning of episode 16 Moon Soo is hit with another burden of guilt. When Gang Doo was outside her window calling for her what he was actually saying was that he was "in a lot of pain right now" (the word is also used to mean sick). She naturally assumed that he meant he was simply in pain from being heart-broken and so continued to keep away from him and didn't realize until he actually fainted that he really meant he was physically sick (in addition to heart-broken). Thus, she felt guilty once more for not realizing he was ill and was too ashamed of herself to face him. Her memory in the stairwell was what gave her the push she needed to start thinking otherwise.

Back in episode 4, when Gang Doo saw her moping to herself in the stairwell after she made a mistake and got scolded for speaking out of line during the meeting with Yoo Taek, Yoo Jin and Joo Won, she told him...

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...she told him that she kept showing all her bad sides (mistakes/shameful episodes) to him. To which he responded, "Acting like it's the end of your life over something little like that looks even worse of you." Which is exactly what she was doing.

Even though her mistakes were hardly big enough to warrant getting that upset over them, if she made a mistake then so what? All she had to do was take the opportunity to learn from it and improve by striving to become a better person from it. Instead she kept herself on down on the ground and gave up on herself.

Now when Gang Doo is literally at the end of his life, she realizes she's making the same mistake by running away and acting like it should be the end of the world for herself. She thought she was just doing a deserved injustice to herself by forfeiting her chance at a full and happy life, but in actuality she was doing an injustice to all the people who didn't have the opportunity to live their lives to the fullest by willingly depriving herself of hers.

So yes, she did stay with Gang Doo because he was dying and she felt bad, but it was also because she wanted to be happy with him and not waste the chance she had for a happy and fulfilling life that he allowed her to have by letting her escape first back in the accident.

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Thank you @Hobakky

But I'm suprised with this one,

"Gang Doo realized that and so he forced himself to let her go, in the hopes that she would one day meet someone else that didn't remind her of her "mistakes" every time she looked at them and could find that strength and desire to move on and be happy. It may be a form of noble idiocy but it's a very realistic one."

Their memories about everything happened under the S Mall ruins will always be there. There's no point in avoiding it. They have to face it, it's better if they face it together. I think that's the reason why Gang-doo didn't sway away and stayed by her side trough episode 15.

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@ Hobakky February 7, 2018 at 6:32 PM

When Gang Doo was outside her window calling for her what he was actually saying was that he was "in a lot of pain right now" (the word is also used to mean sick). She naturally assumed that he meant he was simply in pain from being heart-broken and so continued to keep away from him and didn't realize until he actually fainted that he really meant he was physically sick (in addition to heart-broken).

Many thanks for your translation comment. That makes so much more sense to me now.

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Whew, needed a long moment of pause there. This show has ruined me for dramas for a while. The dear faces of the characters and beautiful/funny/wrenching scenes continue to linger in my thoughts and will for a good long while. Such a great job by the cast, and the writing and direction were just stellar. The mains fully inhabited their characters and (I can write this now!) killed it, but even the supporting cast bowled me over. Sang Man and his mom had me bawling in ep. 15 with the makeshift family they had created with KD. Yoo Taek had me bursting out in laughter when he did his strange pumping of fists outburst w Mari after he signed the contract for the sale of Halmoem's land. Junho's loud singing off-tune that bulldog mansion song got me in the gut, as did his urging MS to shout out her repressed grief/anger in another early scene. Ugh, so good.

So what to do with major withdrawal. I've got it bad. Everything else I was watching reads shallow now and there's nothing left to do but rewatch JBL as many times as it takes to fill the void. I'm glad I live-watched (despite the total meltdown over that preview which in hindsight is pretty hilarious). If I had marathoned this, I would have gone dark for days, unwashed and barely subsisting on ramen. Argh, why do we do it, the kdrama obsession?!

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It is hard. It's so damn hard. Sometimes I wonder if we, the fans, feeling very strongly about JBL, how about junho and won jinah? But I believe they have good support system who help them with withdrawal.

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@manohira
The link in comment 514 below is the interview with Jun Ho which actually mentions this difficulty in letting go of the character.

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Yes, thank you @growingbeautifully, I just finish read it.
I have huge respect for Junho as actor. I really hope I will be able to see his future works in drama/movies for a very long time, but first of all some recognition from the industry in the form of award. I should start checking his previous works once my JLB withdrawal wear off.

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I hear that Chief Kim is a good one to watch to see Jun Ho. He'll be soooo different there. And with Nam Goongmin it will be a hoot.

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@growingbeautifully,

Yes, Junho is terrific in CHIEF KIM, especially when butting heads with Namgoong Min. They truly deserved that Best couple award. That's the first show I'd seen him in, and the character can't be more different from Gang-doo. I'm tempted to check out MEMORIES OF THE SWORD to see how he did in a sageuk.

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I feel you guys on this one...sad that I'm clicking aimlessly through all of the dramas out there now and am coming up with diddly squat right now. :( Funny how so many of us are so passionate about JBL--I swear, I had KD dreams for days on end.... but for some oddball reason, this show just did not take off in Korea. WTH?

Now that JBL is over, I'm left w/ rewatching my fave scenes, listening to the OST (parts 1-6 are now on itunes!!) and fangirl-ing Junho like a highschool student. Speaking of which, he, along w/ 2pm, will be performing at one of the Olympic events in mid-Feb. Hoping that the Olympics will help distract me from focusing on my JBL void :) (weird how I could give a crap about most of the winter sports, but for the Olympics, I'm unusually captivated by it all...even curling gets a little interesting...)

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i find it mind-boggling that this show had so few viewers in Korea. was it just too much in the dead of winter? i hear morale is pretty low, but people must want baby food if they prefer shows like jugglers over this one. am hoping that the intensity of love for this show makes up for the low viewership. and hope the cast and crew got the message from fans that they did a kick-ass job. given the significant viewer base that streams, they really should figure out a way to factor that in. n yes, if they could get 2pm to do some curling that would be really exciting.

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Me too, I already watched it from beginning to end again. Now I'm binge watching Chief Kim. But I'm not interested in any other drama...What to do?

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Give it time. You'll slowly get back into the swing: more quickly if another very good show comes along. :)

I'm going to take it easy for now and not bother to pick up a new show yet. Your post below got me thinking again, so I'm still 'fully' engaged with JBL, so to speak. I've no time to put thought to writing yet. We'll see if anything significant strikes. ;)

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I read kdrama withdrawal tips on tumblr, whenever you start kdrama, you should have variety on the side to help you with withdrawal once the drama ends.
I have to start checking variety tommorow-I never watch any-though at this time i feel like my mind cannot process anything that is not jbl-related. But who knows, I think the tips from tumblr is actually make sense and doable.

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That’s exactly what I am doing atm. I started watching Knowing Bros/Ask Us Anything to distract myself from the withdrawal. Show is funny and it keeps me entertained while watching. ^^

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Just Between Lovers premium DVD is up for pre-order!! (2/6~2/20)
They need 700 sets ordered or the DVD will not be produced.

This post has the links for where we can buy it on Yes24, Innolife, and ktown4u: http://cafe.daum.net/rainorshineDVD/Tusd/10

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I'm not sure if someone already mentioned this as I haven't had a chance to catch up on posts since 2/3, but I've been thinking about this for a few days. I was thinking back to the comment made a few days (weeks) ago regarding MS decision to not believe in God and reject the lady that was trying to evangelize. She was coming from the standpoint of where is God when so much suffering is in the world and people have passed due to utter despair and suffering. Then we have a miracle happen at the end. Bot Jae Yeong says that she doesn't believe in miracles and yet both are hoping for a miracle, that God would hear them and have compassion. I thought this too was a way of resolving another point that seemed out of place and unnecessary at the time. But there was a reason for it as we've seen throughout the drama for every event, big or small. Again, another example of a great plot and script writing...

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@Lizzy
I am a little fascinated by the great spirituality there is in Korea. The majority of people belief firmly in the afterlife and speak to their dead as if they are still alive. Those who believe in God also address Him readily and find him accessible.

I feel that the Christian lady was not so much out of place, but put into that scene, to give us one example of how at least 1 person or the group she represents did try to respond to MS, who looked depressed. The drama has been putting forward the thought or question about who should or will step forward to help those who suffer. It showed that society in general did not care, but that the initiative could be carried out by at least individuals or certain smaller groups.

That Christian lady was the only person who offered help of some kind. Her words might not have been suitable for MS, but her intentions were sincere.

I agree that this part where MS says she would not believe is nicely balanced out by how she and Jae Young hope for a miracle. Also, we get to hear of God again after Halmeoni's death.

It is telling that it's Sang Man who actively brings up God, saying that God must care for GD a lot since He gave him Halmeoni. And GD felt thankful to God for Sang Man as well.

It is usually the more childlike soul who can transcend the temporal and reach the spiritual.

So good isn't it to have no stray scenes? 😃

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Thanks to @Linda Palapala

Here's the link to an interview with Lee Jun Ho posted on 4/2/2018, after the show ended, with great photos, and how he felt about playing the role of Gang Doo. He was so immersed in it that he found it hard to get out of character. What he went through to bring us Gang Doo!!

https://www.hancinema.net/interview-just-between-lovers-junho-wants-to-challenge-himself-115204.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_mediu

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Thank you for the link.

There're other interviews translations by jerwiepenpan (Junho's fan). The latest one is posted on 5/2/2018 (from an article dates 3/2/2018). It's long and more detailed, especially on what he did to immerse himself in the role.

https://jerwiepenpan.wordpress.com/2018/02/05/eng-trans-180203-just-between-lovers-lee-junho-actor-who-just-fell-in-love-interview/

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wow, thanks for posting. impressive that he spent all that time alone in a small room and dropped weight to get into role. he's a disciplined artist, that junho. respect.

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Thanks @hikarinmh

Loved the details of that interview.

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Welcome, @growingbeautifully @kakdoogee 😊

This interview is truly an inspiration to me and I feel the need to share with others. 😭😭

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@hikarinmh,

Thanks for the link to jerwiepenpan's blog full of English translations. And thanks to the blogger for translating not only interviews, but song OST lyrics.

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Today, the reality of the tragedies of buildings collapsing has hit me in the face. I'm praying for the people in Taiwan in the aftermath of the earthquake. People have died. Buildings did collapse, last night, trapping people.

Previously, in the same country, the investigation after the Feb 2016 apartment complex collapse: "Five people were found guilty and sentenced to five years imprisonment over the disaster, including the developer and two architects, with prosecutors saying they "cut corners" that affected the building's structural integrity."

With JBL fresh in my mind, this hits so close to home. "Cutting corners" was precisely what Yoo Taek was trying to do constantly - to terrible effect. And it still goes on ... :(

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I just saw this:
http://kprofiles.com/2pm-members-profile/
– There was a point where Junho was going to be kicked out of JYP Entertainment because of his attitude and because he was lagging behind the others. When his mother found out called JYP and
begged them to give him more chance.

Is this real? If it is, I am so proud of him now (and thankful for his mom^^)

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I believe the part about his mom calling JYP is true. He shared this on "Strong Heart" which I believe is a variety show in Korea. Junho himself has shared his own frustration regarding his earlier years when the other members were excelling in variety shows etc, while he was feeling stagnant. I think him almost getting kicked out is likely during the training days before 2PM's debut. There were more recent interviews on which he expresses his own growth and acceptance that not everyone is good at everything. And he was resolved to the fact that variety shows is not his thing and that is okay. I have a feeling that his earlier struggles have shaped his determination to do his utmost and best in everything he decides to do. Sometimes I'm amazed at how much I've read and know about this amazing actor/singer. Lol

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LOL, well, you can be to Lee Jun Ho what our @mary is to Song Jae Rim ... the great fan from whom we can find out more about Jun Ho. ;)

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Yup. There's a line where his mom said "He hasn't been there (JYPE) for one year yet, what he is able to achieve can't be seen yet" from the phone call.

You could watch the Strong Heart clip here: https://youtu.be/g1RcyJcsgRQ

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Thanks for this. My heart broke for poor Junho....he's come such a long way from his early years--guess we all have to start somewhere.

Just reading the interviews that he did after JBL, I really could appreciate all of his effort to truly become Lee Kang Doo. Based on everything I've read and digested about Junho, I shouldn't really be surprised. It seems he goes all out for his passions, whether it be singing/dancing or acting. Like Lizzy, I am most definitely a fan and look forward to seeing him in his next drama---hoping that will come before he goes into the military!

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Have you read how he still performed on stage even he got a spinal fracture a day before a 2PM concert? That's a dedication there. I love to see him in another drama too but I wouldn't mind if I've to wait for a little more considering how far he goes for the character and if we'll get another high-quality drama. He's done about one acting project per year that is a nice rate for me.

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@hikarinmh @hihari_nmh
Thanks for the info!

Dedication is good but I really want all performers to put their health first. I fancy that often it's the company that pushes them, and so they feel they should deliver. I'm glad he did not make his injury worse ... at least it's not obvious now but it was dangerous then. When was that by the way?

I was saying to @Lizzy above that she could be our Jun Ho 'informant' but I think you have become one of his 'informants' as well!! 😂 Thanks very much!

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Yes, I could not help but be a little concerned about his health. He said he started losing hair and even found white nose hair, and losing 7kg in that short period is not good for the body. He immersed himself so much that he could not easily disconnect after it was all over... I too would like him to take a break and recover before he starts another project.

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Sorry for the late reply.

The spinal fracture incident happened a day before the 2PM concert "What Time Is It?" in Shanghai (121117). Please watch the video interview at the link below; he talked about it at 2:07 min mark. I think you'll understand my point about his dedication and why he chose to still perform then. He also touched about it briefly in the interview link I posted on Comment 522 below. Even better, watch the video from start; it covers more on his injuries during practices. Warning: skip at 1:46-1:48 min mark if you've got a weak heart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygA7GntSsAE

Btw, I'm glad to be called as one of his informants. 😆 Thank you. 😊

@lizzy217 Lizzy, I feel the same so that's why I said I wouldn't mind waiting for his next acting project.

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Wow, thanks for the detailed info on how to find the section on his injuries. I really appreciate it!! 😃

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Thanks once again to @Linda Palapala we have a link to the William Schwartz Review of JBL. Mr Schwartz has a way of writing that raises a whole bunch of thoughts and questions because he says things that are either not obvious (or questionable) or which only the writer herself may 'know'.

The link is here: https://www.hancinema.net/hancinema-s-drama-review-just-between-lovers-episode-16-final--115037.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

But I'm taking snippets of what Mr Schwartz says because they got me thinking.

"Just Between Lovers" has always been a story about mortality and impermanence. While the construction project has fallen by the wayside, that's because in the long run, the construction project was never that important. Joo-won rather hilariously comes to a critical decision about personnel management upon realizing that actually, office politics don't really matter.

"personnel management" - Assigning MS to design the memorial is much less about personnel management than it is about him trying to keep her around him, trying to look cool as her sunbae and because the memorial had been sold as the work of survivors for the victims. In the process, whether he realised it or not, Joo Won was also giving MS (And GD by association) the means to come to terms with the lack of compassion and support that had been given to all families of victims and to themselves.

"office politics" - Joo Won wanted to get what he felt was his due because his father and Yoo Taek's father had joined hands to build but it was only his father who had taken the fall. His mother had been 'compensated' through marriage but she had become an unpaid maid and was treated with contempt. Joo Won had been given the chance to start his own firm, but he still resented the patronising attitude and jealousy of Yoo Taek and wanted to prove himself. This is much more than just office politics.

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Quoting more of Willaim Schwartz:

It's Sang-man, of all characters, that most easily comes to understand what's important, because mentally challenged as he is, Sang-man only sees what's directly important. Then there's Kang-doo's sister Jae-yeong (played by Kim Hye-joon) who has always been a nagging influence in the background, finally realizing that the main reason Kang-doo doesn't listen to her is his inherent distrust of institutions. These two end up building something far more important than just a big building.

"inherent distrust of institutions" - Where the institution is the hospital ... I read I believe in an interview with GD that his character had spent 3 months in a coma and then 3 years in rehabilitation for his leg, mostly in hospital. He hated that particular place associated with so much pain. However he was endlessly proud that his sister was a doctor and he went to see her in hospital, although he would not go there for treatment himself at first. It was also the place he wanted to bring Halmeoni to once he knew of her condition. Therefore I would not say he distrusted this particular institution.

However he knew that the 'Institution' (of society, the more well-off, social justice groups?) had failed him and others like him. Instead of being sufficiently helped, they had been given a token acknowledgement and compensation and then shunted to one side. It was more comfortable for institutions to forget them and carry on as usual. Knowing this did not stop him from 'listening' to his sister.

He had chosen not to live in the same house as Jae Young, and this might have been because he had chosen the rough life and felt that his lack of education, etc would pull her down.

When he refused to allow JY to insist on Sang Man's liver, it was because he loved Sang Man more than himself, and Jae Young had done as much as she could. But also because he was used to being 'miserable' (the term he used to Joo Won), ie living with little hope for so long, living in a self-sacrificial way for the sake of others ... it was practically a 'given' for him to give up on himself to keep Sang Man safe.

I do agree however that Sang Man and Jae Young together (and Halmeoni) do so much more than the institutions did, in meeting some of the needs of the marginalised. And they did it without having to build a fancy building. Ironic, huh?!

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But also because he was used to being 'miserable'...living in a self-sacrificial way for the sake of others ... it was practically a 'given' for him to give up on himself to keep Sang Man safe.

---Seriously I got chills reading this.

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Once more from William Schwartz:

By the way, I've never had much of a chance to discuss the soundtrack, but it really is quite good. They're all these slow songs that initially seem sad, because the tone is so soulful and the lyrics so melancholy, with a constant echo implying distance. Yet the music really resonates with its hopeful pleading. There's this fear that tragedy is inevitable, yet hope enough to wish for The Miracle anyway. To admit to really wanting Moon-soo...that spiritual healing was what Kang-doo needed even more than the liver transplant.

The OSTs are haunting. Wistful, poignant, full of longing and I agree with Mr Schwartz, also hopeful. I felt that it captured the thoughts, fears and uncertainties that would have beenin all our minds if ever we were faced with the circumstances like those characters. So much resonance.

An example, OST Part 7 - "Where we, When we, Why we"... the start of many questions that might have few or no answers or answers that come very late, years down the road.

I also agree that it was spiritual healing more than the physical that GD needed. When he was able to honestly, unequivocally admit that he needed Moon Soo for himself, without fear of being greedy, his healing truly began. He may have felt (survivor's guilt?) that he was never worthy of happiness, but realising that there was no getting rid of MS and remembering Halmom's order to be happy and not be a scaredy cat, he finally let himself receive.

With MS staunchly by his side, he would/could have died without a new liver, but he would not have died in despair. That he had both Moon Soo and a chance to live longer, knowing that he was precious to others, was the cherry on the cake. 😃

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Yup yup, *nod nod*. The OSTs for this drama were so fitting. Another example is OST Part 6, What Words are Needed...I always felt that our couple had this unspoken, quiet connection---that they didn't need a lot of flowery words or bold declarations to show how much they loved each other. Sitting next to each other and just holding each others hand spoke volumes...more than any words could convey.

I swooned harder during the hand holding moments over the smootchies!!!! :)

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I was wondering if it was overkill to put the lyrics up here and consider what they mean and add to the meaning of the show/scenes during which they were played. I'm not too good with music ie I find it hard to pin-point which melody is which or to remember which melody was playing where. However it did occur to me that the effectiveness of some scenes were very much enhanced by the correct melody.

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Good idea! I would like a comment thread about the use of the OSTs. I think I could help to pinpoint the melody in the scenes. In your opinion, which is the best way to do the comment thread - by song or by episode?

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@hikari_nmh @hikarinmh
Oh, I just saw your post. Don't know why I missed it since I check notifications.

I feel it's good to go by the song/OST. One top level post per song, including mention of the scenes where it played and how the OST fit with the scene for example.

If we can mention the time mark when the scene and OST plays, that will be great too, so others can go and check it out as well. Do you think it's do-able?

I wish I could do more about this. These few weeks I'm swamped. I did get the lyrics of most of the songs ... not that I think they are all correct though. I can add them in to each post.

Please let me know if you'd like to do this. I'll help as and when. 😁

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I also thought going by the song would be better. But, this would take a long time to be completed because I tend to do things methodically. I hope I'll have enough time, energy, and motivation to complete it.

I think I'll post the lyrics translation in the top level post for each song then mention the scenes it played with the time marks in the replies; one episode per reply so I could start posting asap. I just started with ep.1. 😅😅 I'll reply to the top post as I rewatch the episodes.

I might put how the OST fit with the scene. But, if I don't maybe other beanies could share their thought on it?

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OK, @hikarinmh @hikari_nhm

However please see my comment number 526 as an eg. of what I had in mind. Only thing is that I cannot watch everything and then post, so I watch and post at the same time for the songs. Each episode, I may add on another post to that same comment thread for the same song. You think that can work for you?

Or you can go ahead and do it by the episode, and I'll add on to yours. Either way is fine by me. 😃

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Thank you for the info on the reviews---I didn't see these! You are a deep well of JBL information and insight! I love how after reading some of your posts, I discover yet another layer of the onion that I never noticed....thanks again!! :)

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@eokuno @jaxiefish
You're very welcome! It's a joy to read something and discover something and to share it with others who can appreciate it.

What you say about reading my posts is what happens to me. Someone says something or I read a review and another layer peeps out. I have not gone into other characters as I'm so into GD, but I'm sure that if I wanted to think about the arc or lack of arc for some others, more insight would crop up.

When I have the time, I re-watch with new eyes to see what else I missed. I don't think I can start a new show quite yet!! 😆

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As my holidays are coming towards the end I should be sparing some time for telling good bye to Just Between Lovers as well. My head is so cleared up that it is difficult to find right words...

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This little show was a given to me and to many others as well. It opened forgotten wounds but it found it's way to heal them, especially this space Just Between Beanies. As I said it somwhere else it was a great idea, great casting, great directing, great camera, great editing, great production, great make-up, great acting, great writing, great hidden advertising, great homage to deceased, survivors and living ones, great source of potential & talent, great... I love it to bids and I realized many things which were asking for forgiveness and a good farewell.

Thank you Beanies for this wonderful experience and I'll write more when I'll get some sleep ;-)

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@BC
I feel that I'll be saying not so much 'goodbye' to the show, but see you around, again and again. Read ya again! 😁

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Yes, see you around. This is the first time that I joined a blog because I couldn't contain all that I was feeling and thinking and it was so good to share, not just lurk and read. I don't know if I would ever do this again but then again, Junho will come back with another drama soon so ya never know :). Thank you all for creating this and for all of your insights... See you around

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I don't feel like saying good bye, because I am still watching the show, but... take care. See you next time we find a similar spot to share our love for a masterpiece like this once!!! 🙂

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Not to worry, @javinne
I'll be around watching too.

I've got more things to post just need the time!!!

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Great, yes. Just today I heard Gang doo's phrase taking to Moon soo about not to take lightly somebody else's misfortune by simply asking, and I though, how many times have I done that? Gossip about other people, wanting to know what happened, as if I could have done better?? I have been a bad person too. I have criticized someone else in my heart, even if I don't tell her/him. Not exactly because of an accident, because no one would be at fault, but when they make mistakes, they married the wrong person, now the kids are rebels, things like that... I always though I was better or I could do better. Boy, I was wrong too.
I also need to learn how to say things, even if I think about them this or that way. I need to learn to be more humble. 😢

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What episode was this @javinne and at what time mark?

It's great that the show is able to get us to reconsider our own attitudes and behaviour. Being humble is to stare truth in the face and see ourselves as we really are, often in relation to the other. We still need to love ourselves, but at least with eye opened and a desire to do better. 😃

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@growingbeautifully. It odds the beginning of episode 4. He said she treated his misfortune as if it meant nothing (I am translating), because she was curious.

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Here is a link to the translation of Junho's Interview with 10asia posted on 5th Feb 2018. This one has a Q&A format with the theme "Live Like You Please" or living passionately. It touches on JBL, his acting and singing career, and 2PM. He also shared more anecdotes from when they're filming JBL. Credit to jerwiepenpan for the translation and you could find the original article's link at the end of the translation.

https://jerwiepenpan.wordpress.com/2018/02/08/eng-trans-180205-lee-junho-live-like-how-you-please-10asia-interview/

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Thank you! ^^

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@hikari_nmh
Thanks so much! I read it with great interest. I'm guessing that when he could begin his solo career on top of remaining with the group, then he also got an apartment of his own.

I'm very taken with his passion for the role, so much so that he rented his own place in Busan for 5 months and lived poor. And yet he was uncertain if his portrayal of GD was ok or not. The PD was very right in letting Jun Ho go with the flow of the scenes and the mood. He was so natural, it did not look like he was acting at all.

Thanks once again! 😃

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Thanks so much for sharing this!!! :) In retrospect, many of the comments from our JBL beanie family highlights the words of wisdom from granny. In the midst of swearing at KD and calling him a punk, there was always a nugget about perservering and living...I think it's fitting that out of all of the great and touching moments in the series, the one that sticks out to Junho is "living how you please" from granny...

He seems to have really been impacted by JBL---his instagram message is "Be happy as much as you can..." :)

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thank you for sharing this ❤️

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11th February and I am watching this beautiful drama for the second time. Slowly... Wonderful. Not enough words!!! 😍

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@javinne
Me too, when I can spare the time. Savouring it slowly. 😋

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Me too, me too, but for several episodes I watched it for the 5th or 6th time :D. I have just finished episode 8. My dislike for CEO Seo is bigger now. I realize he's weak and somehow also a jerk. Ugh...
I love grandma's advice for Gang-doo. I feel like she's not only talked to Gang doo but to me as well
Ottoke, I still can't start new dramas. But,...it's not like every year I could get a drama that really touch my heart. I'm just gonna enjoy it until my obsession for JBL wear off.

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Yes, right? That is the beauty of this show..Not only for entertainment, but it speaks to us like that. We have to be thankful that we are alive. And we have to try to be happy while we are alive. I need to remind this myself too

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Here's another review from WinterLuna on MyDramaList. I agree with her because she's all praise for the show!!! 😃

https://mydramalist.com/profile/winterluna/reviews/35043

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Thoughts after re-watch episodes 13-16.

I felt that the wrap up was so satisfactory, not just because GD lived, but because even if he had died, other characters now had the chance to balance out the scales. The balance is what gives so much added satisfaction to an already warm-hearted show. That, and the character of GD.

Usually I look for character growth, and glory that the main protagonist (whom I must usually like and approve of) developed nicely by the end of the series. However, this time, I came to absolutely love the character of GD even though, come to think of it, his character was basically the same throughout the show or to be fair, he became better with MS's and Halmeoni's influence and Sang Man's wise quips.

He was a good, self-sacrificing and responsible kid (evidenced by his trying to follow through on his promise to Sung Jae, by his saving Mary, etc) and he continued as an adult with similar characteristics who earned the trust and good opinions of loan sharks and thugs, who never failed his sister or those whom he had decided to look out for. His only bad points were his propensity to take to violence as a means to counteract his trauma/take control of a situation and his running away from his mum's sufferings.

So I guess it is because GD is so good, and that he became even better that I'm so invested in him. Which would have been enough to make the ending greatly enjoyable.

However what adds the icing to the cake are the changes in the others around him, and how, whether they want to admit or not, those improvements were influenced by GD. He is the core around which the satellites revolved.

Just taking 1 of them ... Moon Soo - MS was used to retreating. She had coped that way partly so that she would not upset her volatile mother, but maybe because she associated the times she had asserted her wants by dominating over Yeon Soo and leaving her, or by leaving GD behind in the ruins, with great regret and self-blame. She came to doubt herself and hate herself when not only Yeon Soo and Sung Jae, but also GD, her mum and dad suffered so much and somehow it was indirectly or more directly as in GD's case, linked to her decisions.

Her running into the stairwell in Ep 16 to sit and be miserable was her repeated style of dealing with a demoralised ego and self-blame. However this time she is no longer forgetful like before, but recalls GD saying: "Acting as if your life is over because of something like that looks even worse (than it really is). What are you doing here blocking my way?" Is it reaching a bit to say that again it's GD's voice that draws her to him? Whether singing Bulldog Mansion's song out of tune or criticising her in her memory, his voice brought her over to his side.

Perhaps she realised that her life was not over and she could do something positive to make up for her mistakes or worse, that she was once again 'blocking' GD by affecting him negatively by running away...

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... him negatively by running away. Therefore when she was back up in the hospital waiting for him and was able to say, "I'm not going to leave you to die. I will be with you until the end this time" it was super-satisfying.

A nice balancing out of contrasts in scenes was the one of GD sleeping in the bright hospital with MS beside him, able to hold his hand and watch him. The first time she ever saw him was in the collapse, in darkness and they were hardly able to see each other. It was she who fell asleep then. This time she was able to watch GD sleeping and admire his face.

It's noticing these little things that make the re-watch so much richer and more rewarding. 😆 😃

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Re-watch ... Thinking about the changes in Yoo Jin.

YJ's growth arc was the next biggest after MS. From a daughter who toed the line and supported/protected the company, to stepping up like a boss to do all that she could to ensure that blame did not fall on a scapegoat (Joo Won again) and to right a wrong done to GD's father, and to save the company.

She developed from being a mere female in a one-sided love, and from being a snob who would have fired GD without regret, to trusting him not to belittle her situation with JW, to valuing GD's opinions and befriending him.

She progressed to finally agree with JW to just be family without other strings, and it was good that they remained on good terms so that she would have helped JW if would let her.

I like that YJ was written to be strong but flawed, to be true to her chaebol upbringing (in being entitled and using people) and yet not mean, to be honest and truthful in valuing that which should be valued and giving due credit. She worked on the side of GD, but not blindly out of friendship or in order to use him, rather she had calculated in her businesslike way, the cost to the company if she had evaded doing what GD suggested and the gains that they could make.

Best of all, she gave her immature older brother a good shutdown before the company could get into trouble, but with the intention that he should learn and grow up. (Aah, that guy really needs a growth arc.) and she jettisoned chaebol pride and regarded GD as a friend with whom she could be herself, warts and all.

If only there could have been an extra episode, I'd have liked for her to not be so much alone … even to see if she could get on with MS, more as fellow architects and trusted colleagues, maybe even working together after MS's bath-house got remodelled.😁 With So Min probably working for Yoo Jin, MS would have had a happy reunion at work as well. 😉

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I'm beginning with OST Part 7 "Where We" because it was the first song I recognised in my re-watch of episode 1.

Lyrics (from YouTube)
When we Where we Why we
On some days It’s so gray
When to Where to Why to
It’s been gone It’s somewhere

Every time when I see
It’s so gray It’s okay
Feels like you’re the one I know
It’s been gone It’s somewhere

Tell me where I’m falling back to
It’s so gray It’s been gone
Tell me why I’m longing to see
It’s okay It’s somewhere

I sing your song You sing along For once
You sing my song We sing along At once we did

When we Where we Why we
On some days It’s so gray When to Where to Why to
It’s been gone It’s somewhere

I don’t know why I feel
Wish I could tell you why
Maybe we’ll be on our way
On some days It’s so gray

I sing your song You sing along For once
You sing my song We sing along At once we did.

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This song came on as MS climbed up the stairs and bumped into GD. It came on again when GD remembered how MS found him in the alley after he was beaten up.

He had not remembered her from the collapse yet, but he had a sense of knowing her. I like how the song brings out the uncertainty and yet the anticipation before they truly discover each other.

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Just tagging you in case you're interested in the OSTs. hikari_nmh and I are interested in starting a separate comment for each OST to see how they enhanced the scenes in which they were played. Comment #526 is my attempt to start 1 comment thread on the OST "Where We"

@hikarinmh @manohiraa @mintful @kakdoogee @Lizzy @BC @nomunamu @giegiee @giegie @Linda Palapala @eokuno @jaxiefish @oddtojoy @waenyol @javinne @pakalanapikake

Other times in Episodes 1-6 when this OST was played.
Ep 1 - GD was beaten up and left in the alley. OST played when he remembers how MS found him. This time the music suggests that they may be destined for each other. He is intrigued by her even as he is passing out. Perhaps wondering where he had seen her before.

Ep 2 - When he goes to help Jae Young with his mum's memorial ritual. The music gives a sense of harkening back to the past when they were children and how different it is in the present. Perhaps also a sense of uncertainty about what the future holds.

Ep 2 - It plays when outside the group dinner restaurant, MS hears that GD destroyed the memorial and is extremely intrigued. She was eager to ask him why he had done this.

Ep 5 - MS had found GD digging out a boot and saved him from being buried alive in the mud. The next day the OST plays when she asked him why he did the crazy digging and he said he thought it was a person trapped in the earth. She was puzzled about what he was saying.

So far "Where We" comes up most when there is a question in the air. It heightens a sense of anticipation for more to be revealed.

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It would ne wonderful if @Tom joins this conversation...

I like the idea of gray colour expresing doubts, incertitudes and desire.

Gray weather is usually not very appreciated but tolerated. Gray cloths are best to make you look ordinary, shaby, invisible. 50 Shades of Gray I didn't read or see but I love that it gave some knowledge to people about the large scale of one "boring" colour.

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Hi @BC @kerouregan
Besides the grey in the song, the other colour that we see now and then (maybe more in the beginning episodes) is a yellowish tinge in the light and on all the scene.

I felt it was a sickish hue, a kind of foreshadowing that things are not well not only in terms of emotional trauma, but physiologically as well. Even in Episode 1, Halmeoni gave GD pain killers with a warning that it would affect his liver. So from the beginning we have been 'warned' that there is more to come.

Usually at first watch, I may feel uneasy but not know why. Only on re-watching then I begin to look out for what the show-makers have done to set the mood or the stage.

So I did not feel that GD's liver failure came out of left field. It was predicted and prepared for from the beginning and it was Halmeoni's death and his taking more of the pills to offset both physical and emotional pain at her loss that brought on the worst of the liver failure at that time.

See you around @kerouregan @BC 😃

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So here I am... back to this thread again after read Azzo’s post
Trying to read everything that I might missed when the last time I am here
This thread is A GEM

I think “move on” is not an option for my JBL’s love. I sink deep and deeper, even after the show end ❤️

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Seems to be that way with me too @nomunamu. 😂

So here I am just adding my thoughts as I re-watch and re-listen. Please add to the thread on the OST for eg Comment 526 above is on the OST "Where We", if you can tell where else that song was played and how it enhanced the emotion or scene.

Very slowly @hikari_nmh and I or you too may add a thread for each OST. 😌

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Here it is, the Recap for Episode 15 from @Peeps

https://varietyrecaps.wordpress.com/2018/02/17/just-between-lovers-ep-15/#more-15835

Lovely to read, as always.

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So I started to watch it again and it still feels so good ! 📽️ I'm on episode 1 and there's so many things I didn't follow before. 🔸Moon Soo told her sister "If you follow me you'd die!" 🔹 In our first meeting with Mari we learn that the construction site manager (director's brother in law), full of himself, had beaten up one of her girls really hard. ⏺️ Haelmoni reminding KD about the after effects of histoire painkillers -
to use them visely. 🔽The reason behind MS's mom alcoholism is that she doesn't want to forget her beloved daughter Yeon Soo. "Mom needs to remember, because everything is all my fault." "It's mother's fault when her child goes first. If I live well they'll say I live well. If I destroy myself, they'll say I couldn't come to my senses even after letting my child die. If I laugh or cry people will point fingers at me..."🔼 KD's sister is worried about him and doesn't understand why he'd chosen his way of life but respects it.

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@BC @kerouregan
Welcome to the joys of re-watching!! Yes indeed, the feels are good and so many 'new' details which I glossed over originally, leap out at me too.

About MS's mum's alcoholism... the later episode when the mum visited Yeon Soo's grave, she cried and said to YS to visit her at least in her dreams. She said she would sleep a long time so that YS could visit her. It's so poignant that she chose alcoholism both as an escape and possibly so that she could sleep more and dream of her dead child.

If I live well they'll say I live well. If I destroy myself, they'll say I couldn't come to my senses even after letting my child die. If I laugh or cry people will point fingers at me...

In these words is the horrible response of society towards family of victims (can I call them secondary victims?). Not only is society not helping, but they are finding fault with those secondary victims: what @Tom mentioned about stigmatizing. Secondary victims have to bury their pain so as not to cause others discomfort, and to continue living, but whatever they do, they are/can be criticized.

The memorial that GD and MS finally realized that they had to build, was one that did not bury the tragedy (it was going to be in the prime, front part of the housing/shopping complex). It was not going to let society get away with being comfortable or forgetting by not seeing the ugliness of the tragedy (the broken pillars were very off-putting) and a 'stick-it-in-the-eye' that irresponsible building should never again be allowed.

It was also a true memorial in that the victims were not not just names on stone, but would emerge as persons with history, and who were still loved (from epitaphs that MS wrote about each victim). It was going to be a place where secondary victims could mourn in public and be respected while doing that, instead of being stigmatized for not getting over it.

One of most insensitive things that Yoo Taek repeats in different ways is that the tragedy happened more than 10 years ago, so why harp on it, let it go, why waste so much time and resources on the past, etc. His is the attitude that reflects much of the same among those who had not suffered, the more fortunate, or the ones who wanted to keep building without learning from the past.

I felt that what GD told Joo Won that a greater pain has to be experienced for healing to take place, and that MS should be allowed to complete the memorial so that she could heal, applied to him as well. There was a catharsis that was reached when both MS and GD could meet with Sung Jae's mother and could complete putting up his name with his epitaph on the memorial. Seeing the photograph of Sung Jae (GD looked at the photo and said, he thought SJ was scary before) may also have quelled the demons or hallucinations for GD.

So in terms of dealing with the tragedy, it was a truly healing experience for the characters and a healing...

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So in terms of dealing with the tragedy, it was a truly healing experience for the characters and a healing drama for us. 😄

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When a person knows why she/he had chosen alcoolisme as an escape and hopefull connection inbetween two worlds of death and living, it's easier to heal when farewell is done properly. When I learned about my grandfather's past towards the end of WW2 I could understand his pain drown in liquid fire. He was deeply sorry to his older brother and his parents and he couldn't talk about it with anybody, he had to stay strong that life could continue but only alcohol or drugs (not in possession) or deep meditation (Christianity won't allow) could make it work. So many could... Now when someone's alcoholique I try to look behind the curtains to partialy understand their reasons.

This drama is opening a wide discussion about many things that matter. Just one thing is making me scratching my head - how they made from Mari the most cool Madame pimp.

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I believe that the hostess bar is not a brothel, so the employees are not prostitutes. Mary therefore is not a pimp but the manager of a bar that provides hostess services. The hostess gets a salary and has to entertain, pour drinks, provide attention and conversation, but is not a prostitute.

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@growingbeautifully I hope so because this kind of bars are often hiding prostitution. Maybe I was watching too many documentaries about South Korea.

Sorry about some spelling mistakes but when typing from phone I have french spelling corection and it's creating it's own words sometimes. I should read it twice before posting.

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That's OK @BC @kerouregan
I could understand you. 😆

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@growingbeautifully Catching up on comments....anddd when did Mom visit YS's grave? I don't recall that at all??? 🤔

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@yongsital The scene is in Ep 13, 45:31 minutes into the show. Mum spoke to YS, represented by the little tree that was planted over her grave or where her ashes were buried.

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I have not seen that scene. OMG Are there 2 versions of the drama? 😲 That would make sense...I've been rewatching but this time on Viki and there were a few scenes where I was like 'huh I don't remember that scene.' But I just shrugged my shoulders and thought I'd forgotten them because they were short scenes. But this Mom scene I would have remembered watching. Wow I feel....so cheated. I wonder how much I missed then.

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Oh dear @yongsital ... that's sad.

I know that when I first downloaded the earlier episodes, I had a version that was not yet edited in some parts and those parts did not have subs. When I watched one of them again from the same site, hoping that the subs would be in, I found that those parts without subs had been cut.

How long is your Episode 13? For me it's 1 hour, 14:10 minutes.

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@growingbeautifully Okay so I just went to the website where I watched it originally and its 1:14:09. I checked and the mom scene IS there now. But it wasn't there when I watched it last. I only saw up to where MS gets home and says she's home. Weirddddddddd. Now I want to restart my rewatch and take note of the scenes I missed. Interestingly you're comment was the first I saw regarding that scene. Either I missed other comments mentioning it or lost of other beanies watched the cut version. Thanks SO much for enlightening me though. 😭😭

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Some more recent MVs based on this show. Pretty good edits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmjT4ZVTluA

The one below has the reciprocal scenes ie something GD did that MS also did later or vice versa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRyeRVfmHjM

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Here is my belated love note to this drama! I wrote this when the show ended, but I am still having major technical/internet issues so I’m only posting it now! Oh well!

For many of the reasons already spoken, I loved this drama. I am often weary of the melodrama label bc I’m not one to look for a show that has one sad thing after another occur. Rather than feeling torn apart, this was a story of healing.

I felt, at least in the first half of JBL, (besides the second male lead feeling like something of a weak character) this drama did everything just right. The second half had what felt like unnecessary noble idiocy on MS’s part, and extra almost-tragic drama that I didn’t think it needed. But in the end, thankfully, we could breathe a sigh of relief and smile and cry with our characters. And oh, how I loved all these characters and their beautiful relationships! <3

At some point while enjoying the lovely love between Gang Do and Moon Soo, something hit me: I felt that I was watching Sang Mi and Dong Cheol finally receive their romance! Something about the essence of these characters, actors, and even their appearance and voices really connected in my mind!

Anyone else?! This was probably my biggest and happiest thought from this drama.

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I've been meaning to stop by and comment after the ending of the show. But then work picked up, the Olympics came and I got obsessed with that for two weeks, and well here I am weeks after the drama ended. Even though, I was mentally preparing myself for Gang Doo's death, I was sooooooo relieved that he got his happy ending with Moon Soo. I went back recently to watch the fist episode and I am so surprised at all the amazing camera work I didn't tune into. You can definitely feel the presence of the director in the drama itself. JBL has definitely made it to my favorites drama of all times list. I do think think his potential death at the end seemed a bit unnecessary but at the same time, they were hinting at it in the middle I think? (when he kept getting nose bleeds). And I wished there was more between Moon Soo and her mother, it just felt wrapped up too quick. I wish there was a bit of time between her realization that Kang Doo was haunted by her first love to Oh No Kang Doo's dying.... Maybe they just needed a half of an episode or one more episode... Other than that, I'm really happy with this drama, the emotions it put me through, the amazing camerawork that I want to rewatch, the great acting and well written characters (it's so frustrating when you have good acting and a poorly developed character, vice versa). Looking forward to their future work. Definitely going to watch Won JIn Ah in Life (because of the writer of Strange Forest, Jo Seung woo and Lee Dong Wook.... dream drama come true) and I heard Junho was offered a role in greasy melo (really hope they change this title). I like Jang Hyuk and adore Jung Ryeo Won too so really hoping this drama pans out. Here's hoping Junho gets a couple of dramas in before he goes off for two years!

I am so happy I stumbled upon this drama and this virtual space where all the fans have gathered. Sad that JBL is over but that I got to experience it. JBL raised my drama standards...hoping future dramas won't be too disappointing. Haha.

It's really great to stop by here and see all the support for JBL! Woohoo!! :)

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Sooo I'm watching JBL for the third time. Why? Because I miss KD×MS. 😭 I miss the social commentary the drama offered. I miss the exploration of loss, pain, healing, and human relationships. I miss Halmom's advice that was so real and accurate. I miss JBL so so much I wish it could be premiere day again so I could enjoy the ride all over again. 😫 sighhhh

Sincerely,
Beanie Relapsing In JBL Withdrawal

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I've been in a drama slump since this show. Although I'm watching Pretty Noona and A Poem a Day, it's not the same. I no longer have that drive to watch like crazy. Still slump-ish indefinitely.

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Same. I too am watching Poetry but it's not my crack drama as was JBL. But right off premiere week I knew JBL was going to be that drama that would stick with me for months..years? My last crack drama was 2.5 years before JBL so I don't see me getting out of my slump anytime soon. Unless Greasy Melo is ahhmazing but who knows.

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OK, I just had to come back to JBL fandom for a moment to rant. I can't believe some folks are comparing Come and Hug Me to JBL and think Come and Hug Me is better, esp. the writing and acting. JBL was so well done, it went right to the top of my all-time drama list. I just don't see Come and Hug Me that way at all. Of course, everyone is entitled to their own preferences, but JBL fans, are you with me on this one?

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Also, what other drama ever inspired a response like this from Beaniedom? No recaps, yet more than 2400 comments!!

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Nah, I'm one of the people who though script Come And Hug Me > Just Between Lovers. But who knows right? since Come And Hug Me just air 12 episode out of 32 episode. It can become a total opposite direction and becoming a bad drama if the writers decide to ruin it. lol

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I finally got around on watching the final episode. (I know its so lateee) I first started watching this show when there were only 6 episodes due to the flurry of recommendations I saw on this comment thread, I got hooked right after that and patiently waited every week to watch the next episodes. It was sooo good. After watching episode 14, I refused to believe that this drama was ending so I postponed watching episode 15 until May. After seeing some spoilers, I then again postponed watching episode 16 even though I knew Gang doo wasn't going to die since I thought Sang man had to die in order for Gang doo to live and it took me 2 months to emotionally prepare myself for his death. That episode gave me an emotional roller-coaster and had me sobbing everytime the show wanted me to. The last 20 minutes had me bawling my eyes out of sadness thinking Gang doo had died and gave me life when he survived. Thank you show. Thank you for killing me and bringing me back to life. You were so beautiful. You'll always have a place in my heart.

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So here I am, back to this thread just because.... I just remembered that It was during this time last year that I was too preoccupied and affected by this drama, the time where my heart constantly breaks and heals every week. 😊

Moon Soo and Kang Doo forever!!! ❤️Hahaha.

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Glad I found this site discussion on this drama. Watching it now and loving it with its layers of emotions. I love how each survivor deals with their life after the tragedy in different ways. The real winners here are the ones like Kang Doo and Moon Soo who has decided that they now must live even happier and better as they have been given a second chance instead of wallowing in the “what ifs”. I love how when Joo Won ask Kang Doo why he likes Moon Soo and his answer is “just because”. It’s so apparent to us watching his journey why she is so important to him as she is the one who nudged him to look beyond today.
I feel Kang Doo is also the most blessed amongst the survivors. While his relationship with his sis is nothing great, but he has built a “ family” around himself that cares for him just by being the kind soul that he is, albeit with the gruffly, rough edges. I think it only makes him more appealing like a lost ragged puppy that everyone just would love to take home to care for.

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i miss this drama :(( i think it's time for me to revisit

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I still wonder why they didn't recap and review Just Between Lovers. I love this drama wholeheartedly, but I don't know why it feels incomplete without dramabeans' review. It's like a habit of me to read the review at the end of a drama to get my final closure. Even if I'd have got an overall review, rather than episodic ones, that'd have been more than enough. 😭

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I feel you. Another work of Junho's that didn't have recaps is Confession. At least for JBL, I can read the recaps on varietyrecaps. I found none for Confession. I think Confession was somehow underrated, which is a shame.

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They regretted it though. I remember a minion saying that. I guess missing out on JBL also launched the Hangout OT's because at that time DB was having issues and there were way lesser recaps being done.

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Yeah that's true... I do remember their dry recap season and the fanwall keeping the site alive.

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Love this drama so much. A true healing romance. Kang doo and moon su are so great together, so realistic, soulmates. Kang doo as a character is so precious. The drama shows healing and how you can have romance even without being rich and CEO. Jun ho and Jin- ah should work together again they have great chemistry.
Usually it's the ML who do all the heavy work of chasing and making the FL feel loved but Moon su took the lead and chased Kang do, I just loved the way she looked at him, like he is the one who matters the most, every guy deserves to be loved like that.

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