Hwarang: Episode 18
by LollyPip
Hold onto your hankies folks, because events are happening at the speed of light, and when the political climate is turned on its ear, nobody is safe. It only take a split second for the world to change forever, and when loyalties are shifting and challenges are being issued, the Hwarang may find themselves forced to choose between the devil they know, and the devil they only thought they knew.
EPISODE 18 RECAP
Queen Regent Jiso has Ah Ro brought to the palace, where she informs Ah Ro that she plans to make her a Wonhwa. She asks if Ah Ro knows what happened to the previous Wonhwa leaders, Nam-mo and Joon-jung, and Ah Ro repeats the story told to the people, that they killed each other from jealousy.
The queen regent laughs and says that in fact, she killed them when they became an obstacle to the king’s power. She tells Ah Ro that she will use her to regain power over the Hwarang, but that if she becomes an obstacle, she has no compunctions killing her, too.
Ah Ro is terrified, but she tells the queen regent that until the day she dies, she will withstand everything the queen regent throws at her. The queen regent retorts that false hope also kills, but Ah Ro returns that sometimes even a fish caught in a net makes it back into the river.
Sun-woo runs to the palace when he hears that Ah Ro was taken, and he finds Hwi-kyung to ask what he can do to free her. Hwi-kyung tells him of the queen regent’s plans for the Wonhwa, and that she will probably kill Ah Ro when she’s no longer useful, as she did once before.
This just feeds Sun-woo’s panic, and he grabs Hwi-kyung and yells for him to tell him what to do. Hwi-kyung asks if he’s willing to become the king, and grabs Sun-woo’s hand. He says fervently that by becoming king, Sun-woo can save Ah Ro, and avoid losing his own life as well.
Sun-woo asks who Hwi-kyung is to say all this, and Hwi-kyung says that he’s “someone who knows your father well.” Sun-woo asks in a whisper who his father is, and Hwi-kyung answers that if he’s Sun-woo, then it’s Ahn Ji-gong. If he’s Sammaekjong, then his father is King Galmoon. “But if you are the nameless peasant Dog-bird, Moo-myung, you are my son. I am your father.”
Once alone, the queen regent thinks back on her decision to kill Wonhwa Joon-jung, and how Joon-jung had pleaded for her life. Now we see that Joon-jung had been pregnant, and had told the queen regent that the baby was of the Sacred Bone. She had sworn never to name him, and make sure he lived never knowing who he truly is, if only Queen Regent Jiso spared their lives.
The queen regent had pierced Joon-jung over her heart, crying that the baby can never be born. But Joon-jung had gasped that the baby was moving, and at that same moment, the queen regent had felt life stirring in her own belly. She’d dropped the sword and sunk to the floor, sobbing.
Ah Ro is taken to a room in the palace, where Princess Sookmyung comes to speak with her. She tells Ah Ro that being a Wonhwa is an honor, though it’s an honor Ah Ro would happily forego. Ah Ro pleads to be allowed to go to Hwarang to say goodbye, but Sookmyung doesn’t answer, and only orders her ladies to make Ah Ro presentable.
In the lecture room, Ji-dwi thinks back on his confrontation with his mother in the throne room, and her ugly words about how unready he is to assume his throne. He recalls Hwa-gong advising him to endure whatever he needs to endure in order to become king.
Hwa-gong is summoned before the queen regent, who informs him that she is reinstating the Wonhwa system. She calls in Princess Sookmyung and Ah Ro, now dressed in fine clothing and jewelry. The queen regent says that the two ladies will leave to pay tribute for four days, then return and become the leaders of the Hwarang, taking over Hwa-gong’s position.
At the queen regent’s command, Hwa-gong bows low to Sookmyung and Ah Ro, but he asks if this is really the best thing for the Hwarang. She says that she wants the Hwarang to kneel before her, and he tells her that the Hwarang are not what she thinks they are, and that her plan will never work.
Sun-woo paces the Hwarang grounds, the realization that Hwi-kyung is his father echoing in his thoughts. He goes to see Hwa-gong, and asks if he saw Ah Ro when he went to the palace. Hwa-gong says she appears to be fine.
Sun-woo yells at him, demanding to know why he’s not doing anything to get Ah Ro away from the queen regent. Hwa-gong says there’s nothing he can do, so Sun-woo asks, what if he becomes powerful? With desperation in his eyes, he asks if a king can avoid these situations.
Dan-se escorts his grandfather, Minister Seok, to Minister Park’s home. Minister Seok rushes over to speak to Minister Park, who refuses unless he’s brought him the king’s head. To garner a bit of favor back, Minister Seok kneels in the dirt to offer himself as footstool so Minister Park can mount his horse.
Dan-se is surprised to see his grandfather willingly humiliating himself. He helps him up, and Minister Seok says that Dan-se must bring him the head of the king (whom he still believes is Sun-woo).
Han-sung cheerily calls for Sun-woo all over the barracks, ignoring Yeo-wool’s hissy fit at being overlooked. He finds Sun-woo sitting outside brooding, and bounces over to tell him that he’s going to write a letter to his grandfather saying how he feels about the way he treats Dan-se.
Sun-woo asks what prompted this burst of self-esteem, and Han-sung says earnestly that he wants to be more like Sun-woo and make his own path in life. Sun-woo throws an arm around Han-sung and says he’ll walk that path with him, which makes Han-sung’s entire year.
Pa Oh reports to Ji-dwi that Sookmyung and Ah Ro are making a pilgrimage to Nam-mo’s shrine, and informs him that some say that Joon-jung was framed for Nam-mo’s murder. Her body was never found, so some even think she’s still alive. Pa Oh says this is Ji-dwi’s chance, and Ji-dwi instructs him to rescue Ah Ro while they’re returning from the shrine, and send her out of his mother’s reach.
Ban-ryu makes googly eyes at Soo-yeon over the wall, and he reaches out to touch her face, but pulls back. When she asks why, he says that looking at her is already too much, that he may be punished if he dares to touch her.
Soo-yeon puts a hand on Ban-ryu’s face and says she’ll take the punishment, making him smile like a lovesick boy. She puts her other hand on his other cheek and says she’ll take it twofold, then brings him in for a kiss.
Later in their room, Su-ho busts Ban-ryu mooning at the pouch containing Soo-yeon’s braid. He admits that he likes Su-ho’s sister a lot, and Su-ho grabs him and says their fathers will never permit them to be together.
Su-ho tells Ban-ryu to stop before they both get hurt, and Ban-ryu asks if he’s really that worried about him. Su-ho claims that he’s worried about Soo-yeon, but it’s clear that he cares about Ban-ryu as well.
Han-sung receives a package, and when he opens it, he finds that it’s actually for Dan-se. He takes it to his hyung, who acts strange and jerks it away when Han-sung wants to see what it is. Han-sung squeals happily when he sees Sun-woo heading to class, and sends Dan-se a sunny wave goodbye. Why is this giving me such a bad feeling?
Dan-se watches him go, and recalls the rest of his conversation with his grandfather. Minister Seok had told him that if they couldn’t join Minister Park’s family, that he would kill himself and Han-sung. Dan-se had asked what Han-sung did to deserve that, and Minister Seok had said that he would never allow Han-sung to be anyone’s step-stool the way he was forced to be.
Dan-se had asked if that was a threat, and Minister Seok had held out a vial of poison. He told Dan-se to put it on his sword, and one nick would kill Sun-woo. He’d told Dan-se that if he failed, he and Han-sung would both drink the poison.
Dan-se finds Sun-woo practicing his swordsmanship, and asks him to spar. He insists they do it now, and though Sun-woo seems to sense something is off, he agrees. While he’s choosing a sword, Dan-se pours the poison on his blade.
They begin, and Dan-se offers Sun-woo an apology in advance. Sun-woo reminds him that it’s not necessary, that they’re equals, then Dan-se attacks.
Sun-woo is surprised at Dan-se’s vicious attacks, and he’s further confused when Dan-se tells him to avoid even the tiniest nick. He asks why Dan-se is being so serious when he’s the better swordfighter, but Dan-se just tells Sun-woo to kill him if he can, and he will do the same.
He charges, and Sun-woo manages to fend off his attacks until Dan-se slices off part of his clothing. He bellows at Dan-se, who says he talks too much, and goes after him again. Dan-se sends Sun-woo’s sword flying out of his hands, just as Han-sung comes into the courtyard and sees them fighting.
We see that Han-sung had opened the note to Dan-se, and read the words from their grandfather: “You must kill him.” Seeing Dan-se’s expression as he levels his sword at the unarmed Sun-woo, Han-sung suddenly understands what the letter meant.
Dan-se charges, and Han-sung throws himself in front of Sun-woo, catching Dan-se’s blade with his hands. Dan-se looks horrified to see the blood dripping from his sword, but Han-sung refuses to let go for fear that he’ll try to kill Sun-woo.
Han-sung’s voice is beginning to falter as he asks why the oil their grandfather sent is on Dan-se’s blade. Sun-woo catches him as he slumps to the ground and starts to convulse, and he asks his hyung, “Why did you do it, Dan-se? You are a good person.” Oh, make it stop, this is breaking my heart.
Sun-woo screams at Dan-se, asking what he did, and Dan-se whispers the word “poison.” Sun-woo lifts Han-sung and runs with him to find help, and all Dan-se can do is fall to his knees in horror at what he’s done.
As Sun-woo carries him, Han-sung’s voice weakens as he swears that Ah Ro will fix him up just fine. Sun-woo begs him not to give up, and Han-sung reminds him of his promise to walk with him. He begs Sun-woo not to hate Dan-se for this, and then Sun-woo realizes that Han-sung has stopped breathing.
Sun-woo sinks to the ground, still cradling Han-sung in his arms. He holds Han-sung close and sobs, then gently carries him to the lecture room, where Hwa-gong and the other Hwarang are gathered for class. Sun-woo lays Han-sung on the floor, and the Hwarang gather around them, realization slow to dawn. Yeo-wool kneels and starts to cry, looking to Hwa-gong to tell them he’s not gone, but it’s too late.
Dan-se finds a secluded storeroom, ready to take a broken pot shard to his wrist. But the door opens to reveal Sun-woo, who says that he asks Dan-se not to die. He says that he understands how Dan-se feels, and gives him the letter that Han-sung wrote to their grandfather before he died, saying that it feels as though it was really meant for him.
Dan-se takes the letter as if it’s the most precious thing in the world, and Sun-woo leaves him alone to read it. Before he goes, he says that Dan-se is still his Nando.
Dan-se reads Han-sung’s letter to his grandfather: “At first you forced me to come here, now I’ve come to like living here. From a friend, I’ve learned that a path that doesn’t exist can become a reality. One by one, if a person leaves their footprint, if you can travel together, even a rough path becomes a path.
The reason I’m writing this letter is because from now on, I’d like to tell you that I will receive the punishment that I deserve. Hyung hasn’t done anything wrong. Social status, bone rank, though I may not know much about those things, Hyung is just my hyung. He’s the most trustworthy person in the world who’s on my side.”
Dan-se finishes the letter and wails in grief, while the Hwarang gather to bid farewell to Han-sung. They all cry as Hwa-gong says that there are those who would like to shake up the Hwarang, and believe that their way is the right way.
He tells them never to lose a friend this way again, or to be treated as a horse on someone else’s chessboard, as we hear the conclusion of Han-sung’s letter: “Grandfather, I’m learning how to be an adult in this place. Not leaning on anyone, and taking responsibility for decisions I’ve made. I even met a Hwarang hyung who said he’d walk the path together with me. I will live freely. Without thinking of family or power, I will live as a Hwarang.”
Queen Regent Jiso sees Han-sung’s death as another mark in their favor, since now everyone will really believe that Sun-woo is the king. Hyun Chu is concerned that he people are beginning to look forward to Sun-woo as their king, but the queen regent ignores his concerns.
Minister Park arrives unannounced, and wastes no time getting to his point — he’s insisting that she abdicate. He brings in his followers on the royal council, who all call for her immediate abdication.
Hwi-kyung goes looking for Ji-gong, who tells him of the horrible things he saw in the low-born village. Hwi-kyung tells Ji-gong of Ah Ro’s being made a Wonhwa while he was gone, likening the current political situation to the plague — the country is sick, with no medicine to cure it.
He asks if Ji-gong will use toxic herbs to end the pain, as he did in the village. To clarify, he states that they need to make his son, Hwi-kyung’s son, the king.
Ah Ro plays an intense game of Yut with her ladies’ maids, dispensing forehead-flicks when she wins. Princess Sookmyung interrupts and criticizes her for playing when her “brother’s” life is in turmoil. Ah Ro says confidently that Sun-woo is safe, because she believes in him.
She says that Sookmyung will use any excuse to try and provoke her, but she won’t fall for it because she has to survive. Outmaneuvered, Sookmyung just says they are leaving the next day for Nam-mo’s shrine.
Ji-gong shows up at the palace to confront the queen regent about making Ah Ro a Wonhwa. The queen regent says it’s an honor that she could be head of Hwarang, but Ji-gong knows this is just another way of playing with him.
The queen regent admits that she’ll do anything to protect the throne, but Ji-gong declares that her son will never be king. He says that he plans to make Sun-woo the king, and it infuriates the queen regent to think of low-born blood sitting on the throne. But Ji-gong informs her that Sun-woo is qualified to be king, because he is Joon-jung and Hwi-kyung’s son.
The following morning, Ji-dwi goes to Hwa-gong and tells him that he didn’t have the stomach to woo Minister Park to his side. Hwa-gong asks how he intends to protect the Hwarang when he can’t even protect the friend pretending to be king in his place.
Ah Ro is dressed in the uniform of the Wonhwa, and Princess Sookmyung comes to collect her for their pilgrimage. They go to Nam-mo’s shrine, and Sookmyung recalls overhearing her mother telling Hyun Chu that their enemies will make a move while they’re there. She’d sent him after them and told him not to make any mistakes.
After paying their respects at the shrine, Sookmyung says that Nam-mo and Joon-jung were just like her and Ah Ro — one was a princess, and one a half-breed. Ah Ro asks if she was made a Wonhwa because she saw the king’s face, or because of Sun-woo who is pretending to be king.
The princess says that it’s not because of anything she’s done, but because she’s useful to them. She says that Ah Ro is holding Sun-woo back, and that if she stays with him, his life will be in danger, and that he won’t be able to move on to greater things.
Walking outside the shrine alone, Ah Ro thinks about all the times that Sun-woo nearly died because he was saving her, and she knows that there’s truth in Sookmyung’s words. He’s even forced to pretend to be the king because he spoke up in Baekje, to prevent her being killed.
She looks up and sees that Sun-woo has followed them here, and the two of them stand looking at each other. Ah Ro asks if this is a dream and how he knew she was here, and he says that he will find her wherever she is and keep her by his side.
He moves to come even closer, but Ah Ro suddenly gasps and runs past him. She throws herself in front of the arrow meant for Sun-woo, and it pierces her in the heart. Sun-woo catches her as she falls and begs her to open her eyes, but she doesn’t respond.
The queen regent sits on her throne, shaking at the thought of Ji-gong’s threat to put Sun-woo on the throne. She’s pale and she coughs weakly, barely able to hear the royal council’s demands that she step down. They yell that the country needs a strong king who can guide them in the oncoming war with their neighbors, and they all turn in surprise as the doors are flung open wide.
Dressed in his royal red robes, Ji-dwi strides into the room and straight to the throne. He ignores the council as they wonder who he is, then turns to face them. In a commanding voice, he announces, “I am the king of Silla, Jinheung.”
COMMENTS
That was a great entrance for Ji-dwi, and the perfect moment for him to begin his reclamation of his throne. I only hope that the rest of his ascension goes so well, because it looks as if he and Sun-woo aren’t done butting heads yet, with both of them gaining backers to make them king.
I think we’ve all suspected for some time now that Hwi-kyung, who was formerly in line to inherit the throne, is Sun-woo’s father. But I’m glad to have that confirmed so that Sun-woo has all of the information he needs to make whatever decisions he needs to make about his future. His parentage is really no surprise, as Sun-woo has consistently been more kingly than Ji-dwi, who knows he’s the king. I don’t believe that Sun-woo will take the throne away from Ji-dwi, because I don’t believe he even wants to rule, not to mention that I don’t think the writer would change history to such a drastic degree. But I do hope that Sun-woo and Ji-dwi (aww, they’re cousins) learn to set aside their differences, and that Ji-dwi finds a way to benefit from Sun-woo’s strength and unique insight into the plight of his people.
I don’t know what broke me more in this episode, Han-sung’s completely avoidable death or Dan-se’s guilt and grief that the very act of trying to save his little brother’s life is what killed him. I do respect that Dan-se tried his best to fail, even warning Sun-woo not to get nicked and advising him to try and kill him if he could. I think that where Dan-se truly “failed” was in pushing the fight to happen immediately, obviously wanting to get it over with, and not making sure that they were in a place they wouldn’t be interrupted. It was bad luck that Han-sung was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and his death was so painful to watch (seriously, I had to put the show away for a while to recover), but in the end I was so proud of that sweet boy. He always thought himself a coward, but when it came down to it, he was willing to give his life for Sun-woo, and for no nobler reason than that he just loved him. I think Han-sung turned out to have the bravest heart of them all. (And once again, serious props to Kim Tae-hyung for his great drama debut — I hope to see him in another drama soon!)
But I’m curious what will happen now that Dan-se is drowning in grief and has failed in his task to kill the king. He would have failed anyway, because he would have killed the wrong man, but now it’s definitely too late. Ji-dwi has taken his throne (or at least he’s outed himself for all the world to see who the true king is), and it won’t be so easy for his enemies to take him out. Plus things are about to get very complicated and confusing, with the push to make Sun-woo king instead and Ji-dwi being forced to defend his right to his throne.
But I’m mostly worried about the effect that Han-sung’s death is going to have on Sun-woo, after having already lost one friend indirectly because of the king, and now he’s lost another person he loved like a brother. At least he took Han-sung’s last words to heart and doesn’t blame Dan-se for the terrible position he was put in by those in power over him. But with Ah Ro now being shot in his place — and I feel strangely proud of her for finally taking the hit instead of letting someone else take it for her — I’m worried that Sun-woo will go to a dark place and join the effort to take the throne by force, claiming that he has the stronger birthright. Which he would, if not for Hwi-kyung having been removed from the succession because of his illness. But Hwi-kyung’s plan is to place the stronger king on the throne regardless of birth, so who knows how that could play out. We only have a couple of episodes left to resolve so much, and I do wish the pacing of the show had been more even so that we aren’t having to cram all of our action into the final week.
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Tags: Episode 18, featured, Go Ara, Hwarang, Park Hyung-shik, Park Seo-joon
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1 rentenmann *SWAG*
February 15, 2017 at 9:13 AM
It finally happened for this series: I cried. Well done, Kim Taehyung. Well done.
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I Quit
February 15, 2017 at 10:41 AM
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yrlvv
February 15, 2017 at 10:45 AM
Its 20 episodes. The last two epis are next week (20th, 21st). The the perfect wife.
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I Quit
February 15, 2017 at 10:48 AM
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Miky
February 15, 2017 at 10:59 AM
The last two episodes will be on 20/21 and on 27 next week after will start the new drama
Kiara
February 15, 2017 at 11:11 AM
They clearly read your post. You are the one who is confused here. The 27th is the week after Hwarang's 20th episode.
Bebot
February 15, 2017 at 4:15 PM
Hwarang is 20 episodes Plus 3 SPECIALS...
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I Quit
February 15, 2017 at 11:20 AM
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Miky
February 15, 2017 at 11:54 AM
Jajaja,it happenes,no problem!
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Kiara
February 15, 2017 at 3:23 PM
It's definitely the side effect of watching this drama. It happens to me too.
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Kinamare
February 15, 2017 at 12:37 PM
Imho, best episode so far....at last. Well done scenes from PSJ and V and the brother. Nice one Kim Tae Hyun!
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2 zgs1994
February 15, 2017 at 9:17 AM
OK my major beef with this episode was that when ah ro took the arrow, why didn't sun woo turn around and find the assailant? or why didn't the assailant shoot AGAIN when sun woo was howling over ah ro's body? it was so...stupid, for a lack of a better term.
Also, i found that hansung was under-mourned. everyone just forgot about him really quickly in lieu of better plot points. sigh...
And ah ro was once again, a plot point...sigh.
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jaesukisourgod
February 15, 2017 at 9:37 AM
yes to every word. this drama can be so frustrating
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하데스
February 15, 2017 at 8:17 PM
+1
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
February 15, 2017 at 9:40 AM
It's funny though even when she's a plot point, and I have more interest in the structure of the score than what's happening on screen, then she'll pull out these tiny little scenes and lines, usually when she's backchatting the Princess haha, that make me go "see look THERE'S the character you could be! There's the sass and the spine! Too bad you were written way under par..."
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
February 15, 2017 at 9:41 AM
Or that fish in the net line...
although I would've said "sometimes fish bite back"
that would've been a better line. :P
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zgs1994
February 15, 2017 at 9:55 AM
YES, AGREE! Imagine an Ah Ro who retained her spine, could stand up for herself in an actual fight and kick any boy's ass at any time of the day. Go Ara could have played THAT Ah Ro like a Boss. I can see it when she screams at Wi Hwa.
Alas, we will never have that...why show, why? -.-
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
February 15, 2017 at 10:49 AM
Because... there aren't enough good tv writers in the world? haha or we should just make our own :P lol
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sam
February 15, 2017 at 1:41 PM
i think they just wanted to pretty up Go Ara in princess wear and have everyone (including the maids) fawn over her. the drama is about pretty boys more than pretty girls. but give her 2 sec of beauty since she is beauty in real life and you can't deny the fan boys their eye candy.
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zoeraindasherbenji
January 30, 2018 at 1:52 AM
It does sound like an excuse to dress up Go Ara in fine clothes. But to be frank, I did not find Go Ara pretty in this show. She's prettier in real life. Here, she looks bloated and... the super thick and strong brows work against her. Coupled with her constant frowning and the brow-knitting, (I swear she only has 1 expression in this drama.. and everything else is just a variation of this expression) ... Combine the constant frowning and brow-knitting with the super strong, bold brows, and she just looks constipated 24/7. I honestly found the princess and Soo Yeon prettier than Go Ara.
DeeGee
February 15, 2017 at 5:52 PM
Yes!! I look out for the moments of Ah Ro's sass that she lost after becoming a love interest. I get really excited and cheer for her! She can always be a love interest and a sassy gal at the same time!
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sweetsour
February 15, 2017 at 9:58 AM
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sweetsour
February 15, 2017 at 10:00 AM
I just want to add that this drama surpassed my expectations in the beginning (given the cringe posters and bad teasers), but now I feel like the story is all over the place.
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ar_arguably romantic
February 15, 2017 at 2:13 PM
When I first saw the posters and saw the previews, I was like "uggh. this looks so bad. Everything is so tacky. They're probably going to do like a To the Beautiful You but in Silla times. It's all going to be about pretty, sparkly boys and hijinx. " Then I had nothing to watch and didn't feel like binging on a completed series, so i picked it up. The first few episodes surpassed my expectations and was more serious and emotional that I thought. My heart broke with MakMoon's death and I really want his friend and his sister to prevail.
And it is ending up somewhere in between. I still do enjoy the series, but want to reach into the series and tweak everything.
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Miky
February 15, 2017 at 11:05 AM
I think based on preview that JiDwi will ask Sunwoo to help him get rid of Park YounShil and give him the sword to lead Hwarang as his right hand as more likely the old snake will take over Hwarang and kick out Master Ui Hwa rather than see him as his rival for the Crown..As United we stand rather than devided and defeated
In all this turmoil i'm more jelly that the evil Queen will get her way till the end after making Sunwoo and so many people suffer
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Molly
February 15, 2017 at 11:26 AM
And when Han Sung took the sword, why did Sun Woo just stand still behind him as if he's using Han Sung as his shield... not doing anything and taking charge of the situation or fight Dan Se. Helloooo writer-nim, that's totally not Sun Woo!
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
February 15, 2017 at 4:00 PM
Shock perhaps?
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bizzybody
February 15, 2017 at 9:59 PM
I haven't watched this episode, but from the recap it would seem that Sun Woo was not aware of the poison on the sword blade. He may be thinking it's a normal spar and was surprised that Han Sung jumped right in front of him to prevent the sword from nicking him.
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Ajusshi
February 15, 2017 at 2:04 PM
Just like this writer all the way through; one has to suspend reality and common sense, also not expect any explanations from the storyline moving forward. I was so angry with this episode and its plot lines. Characterisations have mostly received NO development all the way through. The series has only survived because we love the depiction of these 1 - 2 dimensional characters (saving poor Ah-Ro of course) and the lovely actors who have been saddled with them. I think this writer need reflect on her work and our reception of it. She g handedly wrecked a very promising drama and in so doing *issed off a lot of dedicated Kdrama fans!
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Ajusshi
February 15, 2017 at 2:07 PM
*single handedly*
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ar_arguably romantic
February 15, 2017 at 2:07 PM
At first I was expecting Sunwoo to get hit again and have Aro hover over him again and dreading it (like omg, stop repeating stuff!), but was surprised when she took the arrow for him. She knew she was the bait and decided to repay him by saving him too. I liked the unexpectedness.
But the implementation was really bad here. You can tell the writer and director just didn't care to make her a hero, because the scene went by so fast. You barely register her registering that she saw the threat to Sunwoo. No slow mo scene. No visual of the assassin lurking. She got hit and then lights out! Even though Aro was a plot point again, I feel like they were all plot points. Even poor Hansung (*sob*) was sacrificed to "inspire" the Hwarangs, even though it rang sort of false since you barely see him. They had Dan Se in a Ban Ryu situation when we already have Ban Ryu and are tired of his flipflopping.
I thought Hansung was mourned the right amount and even a bit overmourned for the screen time. I wish he was better integrated into the scenes and had some scenes with Ji Dwi too, then Ji Dwi could have adding reason to step up knowing that his classmate and sometimes roommate was killed because people keep on wanting to kill the King.
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zgs1994
February 15, 2017 at 2:37 PM
YES, to the Ji Dwi Han Sung thing! They barely knew each other, has absolutely zero camaraderie and the way there were no flashbacks with ANY other Hwarang except Sun Woo just kind of killed me.
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Dominique Lola
February 15, 2017 at 4:55 PM
Frankly, her saving him this time round isn't unexpected at all. Because in the end, she's still the one in trouble and in need of boys in her life. It's hardly a surprise really, kinda cliche too.
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shahila1978
February 15, 2017 at 5:32 PM
I legitly cried when hansung died. Am not even his fan! Hahaha... Aro died? Meh...lets move on
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bizzybody
February 15, 2017 at 10:01 PM
I'm so sad reading about Hansung's death. The adorable puppy is no longer there :(
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T
February 17, 2017 at 9:10 PM
That's right. I'm also very sad. ???
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Yuki
February 16, 2017 at 6:09 AM
Yeah! I find it strange given that she received an arrow straight to the heart. But not a word about her possible death (or not) in the recap or the comments. Am I missing something?
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DeeGee
February 15, 2017 at 5:49 PM
YES THIS. That was my exact reaction!! Knowing Sun Woo, wouldn't he turn to the direction of the arrow to see who hit Ah Ro and who intended to hit him? I feel that they were just going through the actions in this scene. :(
Kim Taehyung did a great job as Han Sung though. Very happy for him.
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phenny
February 15, 2017 at 8:34 PM
Hi Zuna!
I totally agree with you. Last night when I was watching, I was asking myself: The assailant did not hit his target, did he also watch the crying scene? What duh! The normal reaction would be fire again until you hit the target. As for Sun Woo, he should have looked for the assailant but should be careful not to be hit. Well.... this is a drama. In their movies, the characters would have reacted differently.
Otherwise, should SW dies, no more eps. 19 and 20.
Oh, well....
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bizzybody
February 15, 2017 at 10:04 PM
Agree with all. Sunwoo should've immediately pull Ah Ro to safety while observing if the assailant will keep trying or run away. Definitely stupid to be there like a sitting duck.
Previous scene at least they showed the princess turning away and everyone saw her leaving.
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siesta
February 16, 2017 at 3:37 AM
"did he also watch the crying scene?"
maybe the Queen's guard was a closet makjang fan..
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zgs1994
February 16, 2017 at 8:58 AM
Omg, Phenny, you got my nickname right! <3
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TheBlueGauche
February 18, 2017 at 7:46 AM
Sorry this is so off topic, but aren't you the author of 'A Cornucopia of Conundrums' on ffnet?
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3 Berubo
February 15, 2017 at 9:18 AM
This drama killed my otp on Valentine's T-T
What will happen to Yeowol now ; (
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Tres
February 15, 2017 at 3:45 PM
Haven't read the rest of the comments below but just wondering WHAT IF Hansung isn't the last Suk Family True Bone? That his father could be Yeo Wool's (yeah, show, I still remember that unanswered bit) unidentified father, too. Man, Hansung would be happy about that. *sniff* And they'd be real brothers. Still not over Hansung's death, Fam! T_T
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WishfulToki
February 15, 2017 at 4:34 PM
Would be nice if Hansung and Yeo Wool turn out to be brothers... but that grandfather certainly doesn't deserve it!
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Tres
February 15, 2017 at 9:49 PM
Yeah, that old fogey certainly does not deserve to have another precious grandson but I'm still sentimental about Hansung, poor poor puppy. I hope Yeowool turns out to be a Suk True Bone after all and rip that grandfather with his steel tongue for all the hardships Danse & Hansung went through.
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transient
February 15, 2017 at 6:58 PM
Han Sung has always been true to his beloved Sun Woo hyung. Yeo Wool, try as he might, has no place is in Han Sung's heart :D
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4 heyitschristina
February 15, 2017 at 9:20 AM
I had a feeling that it would be Han-sung that would be killed, puppy was too pure for the world
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
February 15, 2017 at 9:22 AM
Yeah, I called it from like, episode 4 ish. Although I'm glad his death was sacrificial (because it's in keeping with his character and it's so heartwrenching that way) I kinda wish him and Dan Se had had more screen time throughout, and that his death had been written to be more than just a side story? I guess?
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ar_arguably romantic
February 15, 2017 at 2:16 PM
:( I was expecting Dan Se to get killed and Hansung to man up. Then when Dan Se was ordered to kill Sunwoo and Hansung suddenly had more lines and was happy that Sunwoo was going to walk with him, "oh crap. Hansung is going to die"
I can still hear him say "hyung" in that befuddled voice. :(
yeah I wish he and Dan Se had more screentime throughout too. They sort of crammed their screentime together here and there. And then the grandfather made an appearance and started taking screentime from the 100 other characters.
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Maryse
February 15, 2017 at 5:24 PM
Dan Se only way out was to drink the poison rather than attack Sun Woo but he did not choose that.
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siesta
February 16, 2017 at 12:44 AM
then that blasted granddad would kill himself AND hansung as he threatened. Dan se's only doing this because he wanted to protect han sung
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5 zgs1994
February 15, 2017 at 9:24 AM
Also, I kind of wanted the show to make a stepping stool where Sun Woo trusts in his and Ji Dwi's friendship enough to help HIM become the king - not want to be the king HIMSELF! Just...one more week. One more week and it will be OVER! Amen.
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
February 15, 2017 at 9:29 AM
I had the exact same thoughts!! My bromance could've been so much stronger!
Hahaha yeah I read this before watching... that's a bad sign.
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jaesukisourgod
February 15, 2017 at 9:41 AM
exactly. I still have hopes (but not much lol) that sunwoo will just say fuck this shit for his dad or whatever people wants him to be the king and be the leader of hwarang who will be like a troop pf right men for (now king) ji dwi. that's the drama I want. because I want these young men to prove that they've their own lives and ideas, not being puppets for the older generation. because, let's be real here, sunwoo accepting this idea that he should be the king is just him being a puppet for his dad and master ahn. just like banryu was always manipulated by his dad and step dad. I want them to live their own lives and make their own decisions.
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
February 15, 2017 at 10:48 AM
Couldn't agree more. I mean Sun Woo just had is royal blood line and father's identity thrust upon him, you'd think he'd be going 'well you're a shit dad, trying to make me king before I even know who you are'.
Honestly the Master of the Hwarang, who's name I forget just now, is my favourite character, because he's a real teacher to the boys, and pushes them to make their own decisions, and fight for what is right, and to not stand for the old ways of Silla. I kinda get the feel that was the whole point of the drama, but they way they're heading with SW idk if they'll do that or not. I hope the boys can band together and win for them, and not for some twisted adults plan because bros before daddy-ohs, please. All the dads are just pissing me off at the moment.
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jaesukisourgod
February 15, 2017 at 11:10 AM
not to mention the preview, where sunwoo has a meeting with youngshin (idk if it's his name, but banryu's stepdad lol) and I'm really hoping that this is just the preview throwing a distraction and this is actually a plot from him and jidwi to take the old man down because I won't accept sunwoo even considering having any kind of relationship with that man after everything he did.
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bbstl 🧹
February 15, 2017 at 2:45 PM
omg, "bros before daddy-ohs" LOLOL
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ar_arguably romantic
February 15, 2017 at 2:27 PM
Hear hear! I spent the entire episode mad at the older generation. These boys and Aro are pawns to them and I'm just so sorry for them. And old fogies are taking up like half the screentime scheming. In the hands of a better writer, I think the writer could have better presented this theme. It was sort of hinted at the beginning when they formed Hwarang and it brought together boys from all different factions and had them work together.
An Ji Gong outing Sunwoo like that to queen just to get one up on her and it has put both Sunwoo and Aro in danger. Now that she knows, she is obviously going to kill Sunwoo. And his bio dad, who was so freakin smug announcing that he's his bio dad. He got to wear nice robes while Sunwoo was an abandoned nameless orphan peasant. That scene was so random and it needed to be more emotional. They could have cut all of bio dad's scenes since it seems like Sunwoo's first adopted dad knew Sunwoo was royalty anyways.
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transient
February 15, 2017 at 7:08 PM
I had hoped that Sun Woo b**** slapped his absent father when the latter announced that Sun Woo was his son without even an ounce of guilt. I mean, he practically left his toddler son to struggle to live on his own (the musician/carpenter did not do much), to the point that the poor guy do not even have a name. Sun Woo was denied even the most basic thing for a human, a name. Yet, 16 or 17 years later, when Sun Woo had managed to somehow find his foot in the world, the guy had the nerve to come strolling and announced that he is the father. So, Sun Woo should go OOC and slap the guy.
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Miky
February 15, 2017 at 11:18 AM
And make Sunwoo proud to guard and stand by JiDwi's side as he leads the nation...As JiDwi is being frank he is nothing but talk because the writer never cared to make him become a true king and gain support and power and show he is more than qualified to lead...Frankly he is all in all below Sunwoo
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6 yhang
February 15, 2017 at 9:24 AM
Why does it always have to be the puppies. Why can't you ust let them puppies be, drama gods.
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bizzybody
February 15, 2017 at 10:12 PM
LOL..... I do agree. But I think puppies are used to tug at the heartstrings and leave huge hole in our heart. We would be clapping our hands and laughing in glee if the dead guy is Minister Park, right.... And then he would be very much forgotten.
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7 UmbrellaMan
February 15, 2017 at 9:25 AM
Hansung-ah!!!!! (V, bless you for dying well. Thumbs up for his acting. Wish he had more screen time, but an excellent first showing). I knew he was gonna die protecting his bff. He was just starting to stand up for himself and become his own man and they killed him!! I cried buckets of tears when he asked Sun-woo not to blame his hyung. Him dying in his arms was so terribly sad.Talk about repeating the same moment again. First with Mak Moon and then again with Hansung. What a contrast to when Ah Ro was shot and dying in his arms - didn't shed a tear.
Poor Ah Ro, I have just completely lost interest in her character. She is a pawn - figuratively and literally- used to move and manipulate the story. But, I will say, her styling in this episode was on point. It was the first time I thought she looked beautiful.
Ban-ryu being all romantic. Swoony. Now THAT is a romance I can get behind. True Romeo and Juliet stuff (but hopefully without all the dying).
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crazyyo
February 15, 2017 at 9:43 AM
I will stop watching korean dramas if the writer killed Romeo or Juliet of Silla -_- Their scene was just way too cute!
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ar_arguably romantic
February 15, 2017 at 2:32 PM
I think since Go Ara's face is small, Aro's usually hairstyle is too heavy for her face. I think the earrings and later having her hair pulled back, makes her look more balanced.
That was so weird he didn't even shed a tear for her. But I'm guessing because the scene was on super speed. She fell unconscious the moment she was shot with the arrow, as if she was shot in the head with a bullet. Usually you see some sort of shock and struggle before losing consciousness. I can practically hear the director going "Hey we're losing the light. Let's wrap this up quick in one shot"
I hope no one else gets hurt from protecting Sunwoo. We've gone from protect Aro to protect Sunwoo. I wonder who's next.
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8 sawrina
February 15, 2017 at 9:30 AM
Aww... my Han sung.. why do u have to die??? :'( ... u made it so hard to watch the dying part Taehyung.. why soo good??
and poor Dan se.. stupid politics and their fcking bone system made him commit this heart breaking mistake...
Nomore my adorkable puppy V in hwarang :'( :'(
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9 💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
February 15, 2017 at 9:30 AM
Anybody else feel like the Wonhwa thing, whilst interesting historically, is just one massive, completely unnecessary plot device to put Ah Ro in danger (again) in order for people to do things?
Also, whilst their already faulty bromance probably wasn't at this level, I kind wished Sun Woo had been like 'JI DWI YOU SOB YOUR THE KING CLAIM YOUR THRONE SO AH RO DOESN'T HAVE TO ALMOST DIE AGAIN' I mean, Ji Dwi IS finally doing that, but I feel like he could've done that 2 episodes ago and our heroes could've talked to each other about it more, and then we wouldn't have the final Dramaland conflict, but oh well. Such a shame the bromance of our main two boys wasn't written much stronger. Although I guess you could make the argument that Sun Woo doesn't trust easily anyone ever... but that's what character development is for haha.
The pacing is not Scarlet Heart off, but all the interesting things were either revealed at the start, or now, at the end and the whole middle section is mostly waffle. I liked Sun Woo better at the start but I like Ji Dwi more now, and I almost wish Hyun Shik was the main lead...
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UmbrellaMan
February 15, 2017 at 9:48 AM
Ah Ro is a plot device. So basically they are wrapping plot devices inside plot devices. She unfortunately has been written as a damsel in distress that is only ever utilized to force other people into action. The queen regent has it right, Ah Ro is made to be used! Sigh...
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
February 15, 2017 at 10:51 AM
Major sigh. All the sighs. Sometimes I think someone is making a smart decision in this drama, and then the very next moment I'm like 'nope, no we're not, nevermind'
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UmbrellaMan
February 15, 2017 at 11:01 AM
Yes! The drama has you thinking "this is good, this is interesting, this has potential" to then turn it around and say "Psych! Got you going there didn't I" Seriously don't understand the pull this show has. We all bitch and moan here on dramabeans but we keep on coming back for more!!!
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
February 15, 2017 at 11:10 AM
Trainwrecks are addictive apparently. Read: Scarlet Heart. Hahaha not that this is nearly that bad, but it is lacking... oomph. And other things. Namely solid writing.
Berubo
February 15, 2017 at 11:24 AM
" Seriously don’t understand the pull this show has. We all bitch and moan here on dramabeans but we keep on coming back for more!!! "
THIS!!!
I have no idea why I waste 2 hours every week over it.
I scream and sigh with frustration the whole time I'm watching this then get depressed thinking about what this drama could be but isn't. Every week I'm promise myself and it's the last episode I'm going to watch but the next day I go straight to it, again. This drama is unhealthily addictive. I so glad it ending soon.
WishfulToki
February 15, 2017 at 11:35 AM
Scarlet Heart was miles better than this! We did not think the writer had gone bipolar or that characters were one-dimensional. Instead, we got a main character who maneuvered/forced his way to the throne and we knew his motivations every step of the way. We never lacked story, even if it made us pull our hair out in frustration.
Yes, pacing in Scarlet Heart went berserk at the end... and Hwarang is already going that way, but for completely different reasons. Scarlet Heart had too much story to tell in 20 episodes... in contrast Hwarang stretched it out by waiting and waiting to make big reveals, so that there is hardly any story left.
My brain's gone, so it's time to recover with Chief Kim.
💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
February 15, 2017 at 4:38 PM
@WishfulToki
I think saying Scarlet Heart was miles better than this is a bit of an overstretch.
There are some things that SH had a better grasp on that this doesn't. I think SH had a better grasp of story and most characters, but its writing still suffered from continuity errors and I'm not convinced the people in charge, be it writer or director or whoever, really understood where they wanted to take it. The last 5 episodes were... well...
I think Hwarang is just weakly written over all. It has good ideas but the writer lacks the strength to pull those ideas through to their best possible outcome. So it falls back on what is easy not what is best. I think it probably would've had enough story for 20 in the hands of a superb story teller, someone who could make 20 eps feel like 16 in the best possible way (it's been done) But that's not this writer unfortunately.
However, me personally, whilst watching this, I just found it eventually dis-interesting and disappointing. As opposed to SH where I was so appalled at the application of ideas to paper to screen I basically stopped watching at the end.
The more I think about it the more I wonder why I even compared them in the first place. They are quite different entities... Oh well, good convo, enjoy Chief Kim!
ar_arguably romantic
February 15, 2017 at 4:42 PM
I feel like Hwarang hints that it has more than enough stories, enough for 30 episodes, but just isn't telling them. In the last two episodes, they threw in the wonhwa backstory and Hansung's grandfather and I'm like, wait, stop adding more things when you haven't made progress on the other things.
ar_arguably romantic
February 15, 2017 at 2:37 PM
Yes, the Wonhwa thing is totally an unnecessary plot device. The queen was going to use the Wonhwa thing to kill Aro in the most roundabout way possible.
I also feel like if they were going to make Aro and Sookmyung Wonhwa, they should have done it like 10 episodes ago and use that to better integrate them with the Hwarang. I don't get how no one is like wtf at Aro being a Wonhwa leading Hwarang. She has no experience to draw from.
I think I like Suho the best now. He may be a playboy but he is honorable, loyal, and cares for his family.
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bizzybody
February 15, 2017 at 10:17 PM
Princess being a wonhwa i can understand cos she's good at swordfight and all. But, seriously... Ah Ro????? Isn't it too obvious that the evil queen is brewing an evil plot to all and sundry that she's trying to get rid of Ah Ro? Ah Ro gets weak-kneed when there's danger and is a healer, not a fighter/warrior. If it's so obvious, the queen should just kill her straight or get someone to do the dirty deed rather than go in a round-about way.
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bbstl 🧹
February 15, 2017 at 2:57 PM
Ab-so-toot-ly, the Wonwha thing is SO effing (WFKBJ) WHAT??? I can't even. There, I've just used up my entire supply of cliches but it was worth it. It makes no sense and they haven't even attempted to make it make sense. Ugh ?
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Angie
April 1, 2017 at 11:35 PM
OMG YES!!
this is turning into one big clusterf***
why add plot lines when the original ones aren't resolved?
why add a plot line that makes no sense.
okay jiso tried to kill myungmoo before he was born so he couldn't challenge her baby. i got it. what does that have to do with making ARO a wonhwa? she's gonna make her get pregnant so she can stab her? how will that help her take over the hwarang? speaking of WHEN DID SHE LOSE CONTROL OF THE HWARANG? she's plotting over something that hasn't even happened?? why??? *sigh* i have a headache. i don't think i can watch any more tonight...
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10 WishfulToki
February 15, 2017 at 9:31 AM
Polio guy is Sun Woo's dad. Called it like 10 episodes ago.
I got teary at Hansung's death even though half of me was raging that it was stupid. I do not understand the rationale behind his grandfather's sudden threat: we will bring the king's head so we can be a pampered stepping stool? Or I kill my grandson and myself? Dan-Se dummy... where was Pa-Oh when he needed a friend?
That ending though, Ji Dwi! FINALLY! (Yes, other half of me is saying incredulously that if it was so simple as walking in he should have done it ages ago, though walking in with nothing but a bracelet and royal robes isn't the usual way for a coup to work... LALALA, I'm not listening)
Thanks for the recap LollyPip! It's been quite a journey, and we need to brace ourselves for the ending. I hope we avoid a drama Truck of Doom.
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WishfulToki
February 15, 2017 at 9:41 AM
Oh I forgot, Pa Oh was on an Ah Ro rescue mission... sigh.
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rentenmann *SWAG*
February 15, 2017 at 9:42 AM
We must pray to the drama gods that ToD's predecessor, Stampeding Cart of Doom, does not have to make an appearance.
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jaesukisourgod
February 15, 2017 at 9:45 AM
lol I had the exact same reaction and train of thought with the final scene like "YEEEEAH..... are you sure... this will work? YEEEEEAH"
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February 15, 2017 at 10:43 AM
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rentenmann *SWAG*
February 15, 2017 at 12:21 PM
Arrow of Dooooooom! It's the little brother that could.
redfox
February 15, 2017 at 1:18 PM
well the arrow got injured on the hard as rock to kill heroine, so they also had to use its´ NG takes to get enough footage.
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webby
February 15, 2017 at 10:44 AM
... or, arrow of death...
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Miky
February 15, 2017 at 11:09 AM
While JiDwi's enternce was grand more based on the music he is still nothing as threat wise because he has zero power and Park YoungShil will chew him up because the writer never let him have any power whatsoever,nothing...All he ahs is his title
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ar_arguably romantic
February 15, 2017 at 2:40 PM
I also don't remember why the grandfather is pandering to Ban Ryu's dad and why if Dan Se fails, that he would kill himself and Hansung. If I was Dan Se, I would just run away with Hansung.
I was hoping Ji Dwi will tell the Queen "um, you're in my seat". But man, he looked amazing strutting in there!
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Athina
February 16, 2017 at 11:02 PM
The grandfather needs to be in Ban Ryu's adopted father's good graces so they can have a girl from that family marry Hansung in order to continue the family bloodline and it's status. With Hansung dead the entire family looses it's future position in the system.
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blnmom
February 15, 2017 at 2:54 PM
The way things are going, I wouldn't rule out a ToD. The drama is oddly compelling, but every 10 minutes or so I'm totally confused and have to reorient myself mentally, then I'm good for the next 10 minutes. LollyPip is doing a great job of following along and attempting to explain it to the masses -- thanks!
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Kiara
February 16, 2017 at 10:14 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if they jumped ahead a few generations and make him Kim Yushin or some of Shilla's well known hero since Sammaekjong is already the king.
He can't go back to being a peasant since he is the main character.
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11 redfox
February 15, 2017 at 9:47 AM
what in the bloomin f***.
It seems the writer has started to hate her own drama. I can imagine her stabbing the pages of the script with a paper knife, an evil gleam in the eyes.
I´d rather just play with the smile babies that Ban Ryu´s smile and Soo Yeons´ smile had together.
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WishfulToki
February 15, 2017 at 9:59 AM
It's not unheard of for writers to kill off characters (Arthur Conan Doyle came to hate Sherlock for example), but in a pre-produced drama? The hate is strong in this one.
I'm going to ship Ban Ryu, Soo Yeon and Soo Ho to an island where they can be safe from the writer and ridiculous 'adults'. Ah Ro, if she survives, can go study abroad.
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redfox
February 15, 2017 at 10:35 AM
Mission "Escape From The Nightmare Writer". We also need a time traveller to go back and save Han Sung and bring along Dan Se before anything happens, and we´ll hide all of them in Chief Kim´s office. cause accountants can make it look like nothing was ever smuggled in or it was just office supplies.
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WishfulToki
February 15, 2017 at 10:38 AM
I'll drink to that with a banana-milk!
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redfox
February 15, 2017 at 10:51 AM
we´ll drop Ah Ro off at some jimjilbang along the way, her crying might lead chasers to our tracks.
Kalends
February 15, 2017 at 2:31 PM
@redfox @WishfulToki Lol, I'll help!
Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
February 15, 2017 at 10:37 AM
I get the "hate her own drama" idea. Almost like audience feedback is more powerful than we ever imagined.
But, are we really 100% sure Ah-ro is dead? She sure seemed like it, but we didn't get the requisite dramatic last words, and it is a kdrama after all. They're quite capable of having the arrow miss her heart, or having her wear some hidden (and form-fitting) armor, perhaps because the princess warned her(??). I haven't gone preview-scouting, so I'm might well be full of it.
BTW, I've seen the hidden armor trick in other kdramas, and I find it odd that underwear armor is ALWAYS more effective than the ordinary visible battlefield kind.
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UmbrellaMan
February 15, 2017 at 10:43 AM
I can say with every ounce of confidence that she is most definitely NOT dead. It is a very very rare drama that kills off the lead. This is not that drama.
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redfox
February 15, 2017 at 10:45 AM
it would be a better twist if she came back as a zombie, it would justify why I am feeling like my brains are being sucked out by the drama.
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
February 15, 2017 at 10:52 AM
I'd watch that drama. Zombie Sageuk! Has that happened yet? And if not, WHY not.
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redfox
February 15, 2017 at 10:59 AM
yeah, in a zombie sageuk at least no character dies pointlessly. they´ll be utilized as food. The cart of doom will be eaten too. The throne will be eaten - nothing to politically manipulate for. Ancient scrolls - eaten! Secret letters between scheming officials - eaten! (it is kind of turning into Let´s Eat 3..:) My only worry is if they eat the queens´ only outfit. do we really need that? I don´t think she herself is tasty enough for them...
redfox
February 15, 2017 at 11:54 AM
and in the end, as dessert, they´d eat the writer. and her evil computer.
rentenmann *SWAG*
February 15, 2017 at 12:26 PM
Annnnnnd, now I want this in a zombie hunger kind of way.
Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
February 15, 2017 at 10:56 AM
LOL
This show has replaced Cinderella and K2 as the show most fun to make fun of :)
But... aren't kdramas (and American TV) *supposed* to suck your brains out?
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
February 15, 2017 at 11:30 AM
I think the thing is, they don't have to? E.g. I've watched some bloody good dramas in the few years I've been watching them, one's I would happily say are good TV shows, and that rarely happens, so I think when yet another show falls into the hole and leaves us disappointed but not surprised, we wish it could've been more because we KNOW it has happened, that show that leaves you feeling satisfied. So we keep watching in hopes that it will happen again. Just that... the likely hood is about 1 in 10 for me :P
webby
February 15, 2017 at 12:36 PM
or... she is revived by the gods for she is guilty of inducing the Queen to kill so many and causing rifts between cousins... on condition that she becomes a female Goblin and should wait for a Goblin's bridegroom to pull out the arrow to end her immortal life...
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redfox
February 15, 2017 at 12:50 PM
cmon, I already feel like I have waited 900 years for character development, oyu want us to wait 900 more?
WishfulToki
February 15, 2017 at 2:41 PM
This... might not be so crazy... we've had the lonely shining Wang So, and lonely shining Shin Kim. I need me a happy ending sometime writers!
Other possible scenario is to get a mermaid to shake everyone's hand so they forget everything and take the throne herself.
redfox
February 15, 2017 at 2:55 PM
a nine tailed fox. fox magic. but as soon as the chick wakes up, the wise and proud fox feels like it was a mistake and locks her in a scroll.
siesta
February 16, 2017 at 3:47 AM
or she could have just eaten a Silla Subway..
webby
February 15, 2017 at 10:56 AM
No. I don't think she's dead.
You know, I keep thinking about Ah-Ro's stories back in the beginning, about a girl who acquires a mole(?) which then changes her face beyond recognition... That she actually survives the arrow, lives on the normal life without (mostly) anyone recognizing her because she puts on a mole. That would be season two, "Hwarang: the beginning of plastic surgery"
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redfox
February 15, 2017 at 11:00 AM
I thought you sent moles to infiltrate the court, not put them on your face?
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rentenmann *SWAG*
February 15, 2017 at 12:25 PM
Maybe we could have a case of both kinds of moles!
WishfulToki
February 15, 2017 at 2:43 PM
This thread has already brought up moles and possums... bring on the rodents!
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Miky
February 15, 2017 at 11:12 AM
Doubt she is dead even if hit in the heart...Her dad more than sure will bring her back from the death...it will just be to pitiful for Sunwoo's life if they kill her off and if they did that as Sunwoo he would march and kill the queen and who ever stands in his way of the bat and who wnats a killer crazy hero in his last episodes
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newbie
February 15, 2017 at 11:48 AM
at this point even that will be much better than what is shown... I will surely love him killing everyone (it will much better if he kills the writer)...
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ar_arguably romantic
February 15, 2017 at 2:42 PM
Yeah, her dad managed to bring Sunwoo back to life! And we don't need a 3rd person dying for Sunwoo. I do wonder if time is of the essence since they seem a ways away from home.
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MESaya
February 15, 2017 at 7:30 PM
Ah-Ro will join one of those "name-not-to-be-told' because if it told then a river or a damp would broken or a sudden flood might happen and jeopardize the village, thus she would not be dead. Instead, she will awake with amnesia, has 2 suitors, in 21st century, with doctoral degree, because she had saved a King in a past.
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12 Nami
February 15, 2017 at 9:55 AM
It could have been so much more, I m quite disappointed that Hwarang went that way :(
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13 ThePerfectDramaQueen
February 15, 2017 at 10:01 AM
I feel like this was the episode we have all been waiting for in Hwarang. It was good!
Cry baby Aro didn't show up this episode. That alone had me sold. The Aro we got this time was brave and resourceful. I love that she refused to be intimidated & was determined to make the best out of a really bad situation. I wish this woman had showed up at the beginning and stayed.
V's acting was great & his death captivating. I must admit I did not see it coming but felt the total weight of his loss. Such a great character.
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UmbrellaMan
February 15, 2017 at 10:49 AM
Stupid Youtube ruined it for me. There were videos popping up left and right saying he dies. Thanks Youtube, what a way to ruin it for me. But, I would have suspected it once the drama points started to unfold anyways. They were clearly setting it up for a dramatic death. I actually like drama deaths if done well, they can be huge catalysts and emotional drives.
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ar_arguably romantic
February 15, 2017 at 2:45 PM
I really like Aro's quiet strength in this episode. She may be scared and she may cry, but she has an inner strength and calm that Sookmyung and Ji So doesn't have. And because she has been a good person, she has allies. Look at her making friends already with her attendants.
Hansung's death scene was great! I mean, I was really sad and wish he didn't die, but it was well acted and more touching and authentic than any of his other scenes.
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DeeGee
February 15, 2017 at 5:58 PM
I agree!! She's a survivor. She willed herself and her fellow Silla prisoners to survive too in the Baekjae jail. When their food was stolen on the way to Baekjae she got them some food! I wish we had more scenes of her being awesome.
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14 yrlvv
February 15, 2017 at 10:05 AM
NEW TREND ALERT !!!!!!!!!!!!
Idol debut must die in drama.
Baekhyun - Moon Lovers
Chanyeol - Missing 9
V - Hwarang
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Berubo
February 15, 2017 at 10:19 AM
Also Jinyoung in MDBC
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rentenmann *SWAG*
February 15, 2017 at 12:29 PM
And did Do Kyungsoo die in It's Okay, It's Love? Can't remember, but I thought he dies or gets sent away. He was tortured a lot, though. Seriously, stop killing/hurting the puppies! ?
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lolalarue
February 15, 2017 at 9:10 PM
DO was a delusion that Jo In Sung's character hallucinated as a part of his illness. He didn't exist. Still cried buckets when JIS sent him away (with those shoes).
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A jinyoung enthusiast
February 15, 2017 at 2:38 PM
Actually, MBDC wasn't jinyoung's drama debut, he just fell victim to the tragic fate of the second male lead. But yeah im also definitely seeing a trend in idol actors dying off
I could tell hansung was fated to die the moment he was introduced because at first his character was so similar to baekhyun's in scarlet heart: the puppy
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redfox
February 15, 2017 at 10:52 AM
maybe there is a secret sect that has been formed that drama-sacrifices idols for the wealth and fortune of the companies...
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UmbrellaMan
February 15, 2017 at 10:52 AM
Seriously. Hahaha. At least V got more episodes than poor Chanyeol. They killed him off too early. I actually didn't think he was really dead because he died so soon. I was like, this is not normal drama behavior. But, I can't complain if the death is justified by the story.
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UmbrellaMan
February 15, 2017 at 10:56 AM
I usually don't want my idols killed off or at least not until the bitter end, but they couldn't kill Baekhyun fast enough...
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WishfulToki
February 15, 2017 at 11:15 AM
'I can’t complain if the death is justified by the story.'
Me neither... but was there any consequence to his death? I half expected the Hwarang to immediately go protest/lament in front of the palace, but nothing happened. An elite warrior was assassinated and nobody bothered to ask how? *brain being sucked* His death has been in vain, plot wise, though it was a moving end fearless of a sword, protecting his friend.
And then Ah Ro gets shot, so whatever Sun Woo does next is not mainly due to Hansung's death. :'(
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ar_arguably romantic
February 15, 2017 at 2:49 PM
I was surprised that the grandfather didn't have Dan Se killed for botching the assassination and killed the family's last true bone. And that the guys didn't call for Dan Se's half-breed head for killing one of their own true bones.
I think his death is supposed to invigorate the hwarang and that remains to be seen next week. Would they fight or just continuing eating lunch? I wish they had Hansung interact with the other hwarangs more.
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bbstl 🧹
February 15, 2017 at 3:16 PM
Right, Sun Woo gets to decide that Dan Se not only lives but is allowed to continue as part of Hwarang? I don't think that would ever happen.
Shiningbyul_98
February 15, 2017 at 11:26 AM
Also Jin young B1A4 died in moonlight drawn by clouds...... He is not an idol debut right? ?
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ar_arguably romantic
February 15, 2017 at 2:46 PM
I was definitely thinking that when hansung died. I was like "yup, the next time an idol is in a drama in a secondary role, his character will die".
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15 mysterious
February 15, 2017 at 10:06 AM
So much potential for bromance - WASTED!
Ban-ryu/Soo-yeon - too cute!
Han-sung/Dan-se/Sun-woo - cried my eyes out.
Queen - ready to claw her eyes out.
Evil old minister - someone just kill him already.
Fight for the throne - don't even care anymore.
Ah-ro being used - been there, done that.
What I want is for Ban-ryu and Soo-yeon to get married, Sun-woo and Ah-ro to get married, but mostly I want to see some bromance between Ji-dwi and Sun-woo as they fight side by side to protect Silla from evil ministers. Come on, they're cousins - fight together, not against each other. Give me some bromance before you end, Show!
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guestk
February 21, 2017 at 2:29 PM
YESSS TO EVERYTHING YOU SAID. So many plot points in this series and the writer is all over the place. I feel like in every episode, we're given like two minutes worth of good scenes with really good chemistry whereas the rest are boring parts that are unnecessarily dragged out.
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16 Liube
February 15, 2017 at 10:12 AM
Ohhh my god! I cried a lot with Han Sung death. I stopped the chapter a couple of times cause a couldn't read the subs. He was the most lovely and pure soul there. And I agree with you he was the bravest too.
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oosiee
February 15, 2017 at 10:46 AM
You don't know how many chocolates and sweets i have eaten after this episode..but..all in vain..no sweets in the world can make this less bitter... :'( :'( :'(
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17 ms. all nighter
February 15, 2017 at 10:21 AM
I hope Sun-woo and Ji-dwi were not switched at birth. Then it will be the lowest of the low plot device of ever being used....even lower than switching faces suddenly like some indian dramas tend to do.....
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WishfulToki
February 15, 2017 at 10:41 AM
Forget a Truck of Doom ending, that would be a historical train wreck.
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
February 15, 2017 at 10:54 AM
The lowest of the low but at this point I wouldn't even be surprised...
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ar_arguably romantic
February 15, 2017 at 2:50 PM
You need to tell me more about this switching faces! WUT?!
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ms. all nighter
February 15, 2017 at 6:27 PM
Indian-dramas tend to be long like more than 1 yrs long if they are populer, so if any actor want to leave the show in the middle of it's running then the following actions happens most of the time in sequence:
1)Any accidents that includes fire happens.
2) then the mc's face gets ruined.
3)then the mc have a plastic surgery.
And VOILA.....thats how the switching faces happens
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ar_arguably romantic
February 15, 2017 at 7:54 PM
@__@ and lol!
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
February 15, 2017 at 8:52 PM
And I thought the Australian Soap my friend is watching was bad. Hahaha and yet that's kinda hilarious and amazing?And it's a TROPE nonetheless! Like, wow.
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WishfulToki
February 16, 2017 at 12:08 PM
This reminds me of that unforgettable mess that was Scarlet Heart 2 (the Chinese version).
18 ladykrueger
February 15, 2017 at 10:24 AM
It's hard to judge him fairly, because I'm so BTS biased, but I think Taehyung did a pretty good job, considering Hwarang was his first time acting. Yes, mostly he was just a cute puppy, which is not the hardest of acting tasks, but even with tougher scenes and emoting, he did pretty well.
And this episode... Well, being an ARMY only made it worse for me. Not my Tae Tae!!!
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Chim
February 15, 2017 at 11:06 AM
Feels. He did really well. I'm so proud.
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blnmom
February 15, 2017 at 2:59 PM
He did a great job and made me cry buckets.
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19 oosiee
February 15, 2017 at 10:42 AM
I guess Finally, TaeTae got his Dying wish!(ARMYs..you know what i'm talking about..right?)
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Yeoreobun~
Valentine's day has been officially ruined forever...for..Ever!!! :'( :'( :'(
I have to say I'm a bit disappointed with Sunwoo's reaction to it though..I know he was crying and super sad but I expected a little more because when Makmun died on his guard, he was not at fault but he took that upon himself and beat himself with guilt whereas Hansung died Protecting him..He died for him..Instead him..I mean C'mon!
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oosiee
February 15, 2017 at 10:44 AM
*Instead of him*
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20 Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
February 15, 2017 at 10:42 AM
After two recent assassination attempts, Sun-woo goes off on a rescue mission ALONE without his sword. He's to stupid to be king :)
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giocare 🌻💛
February 15, 2017 at 10:53 AM
Yessss!!! Sun Woo has the mindset of a general not a king
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jaesukisourgod
February 15, 2017 at 11:15 AM
exactly!
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WishfulToki
February 15, 2017 at 11:17 AM
Mindset of a bulldog, wouldn't trust him with an army.
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Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
February 15, 2017 at 12:32 PM
The general who leads his army into an ambush, then fights his way out to be the only survivor.
(Unless he faints again and survives by playing possum)
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Kiara
February 15, 2017 at 4:17 PM
Lol reminds me of the soccer game and how he scored a goal for the opposite team.
He'd probably order all his men to commit suicide and Baekje will conquer Shilla and ruined King Jinheung's great legacy. Who cares if it makes any sense.
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redfox
February 15, 2017 at 10:53 AM
yeah, I know. Does he think he is Chuck Norris or something?
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blu
February 15, 2017 at 1:13 PM
lmao @ this comment. gold.
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Kiara
February 15, 2017 at 3:16 PM
This is hilarious! I'm in tears.
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siesta
February 16, 2017 at 3:54 AM
Die Hard: Silla
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redfox
February 16, 2017 at 9:00 AM
Anyeonghaseyo, mothaf***er!
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LILA
February 15, 2017 at 11:19 AM
And I Guess that JIdwi is the smart man who would fit on the throne? Actually so bright, responsible and caring about his subjects, that he ran to Ahro telling her that he was ready to give up everything if she just accepts to run away with him and live like any other commoners....
I do not blame on SMJ though, I love him, it's the bad writing that is making great characters such as the King and Sun woo looking stupid.
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WishfulToki
February 15, 2017 at 11:44 AM
Actually I didn't feel like Ji Dwi had much romantic interest in Ah Ro anymore... his question was literally like Ah Ro said, an excuse to not go fight for his throne. I liked that scene, didn't think it was him being stupid but afraid of the step he'd have to take. The Baekje trip showed me that Ah Ro was not uppermost in his eyes, although he still wants to protect her.
But yes, totally agree that bad writing is making everyone look stupid. I spit out my tangerine when Ji-Gong started ranting that 'I had to give them poison!' as the solution, completely forgetting that the Hwarang had sent him medicinal herbs... oh and his brilliant move in letting the queen know exactly who she should be trying to kill... amazing.
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dramabliss
February 15, 2017 at 5:44 PM
To be fair, Ahn Ji-gong was referring to what he did BEFORE the medicinal herbs arrived.
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WishfulToki
February 16, 2017 at 11:41 AM
Oh ok, was he? I guess I've never understood him, since he never really opened up much, and then suddenly took to poisoning people when there was no medicine available (I don't think I've seen that in a drama before, but oh well).
Ajusshi
February 15, 2017 at 2:30 PM
Duh thats too not to stupid!
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ar_arguably romantic
February 15, 2017 at 2:53 PM
*slams head on desk* Ugh, the Hwarang boys have so few brain cells!
And they are the future of Silla.
I'm going to assume Yeowool is the smartest because he has so few scenes.
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momosa
February 15, 2017 at 5:10 PM
Indeed, it's a blessing to have fewer scenes. He didn't get exposed as being silly brainless... heh.
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Del
February 15, 2017 at 5:20 PM
+1000 Totally with you on this.
This writer really has no creativity to actually making us believe that Sun Woo should be king other than getting every single person in this show to tell us that he should be king. Most of the time, I find him lucky but stupid. He is always saved by his luck.
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21 giocare 🌻💛
February 15, 2017 at 10:52 AM
As much as I hate what happened to Han Sung, I’m glad his last act was protecting the man he admired, helping his brother to realize that he’s a good person. Being able to die in the arms of the man he looked up to shows the heroic nature of the character who was learning how to be an adult and stand up for others, Han sung has spent his whole life being looked after and told what to do. His first and last action was his decision and he chose to sacrifice his life for someone who would be able to make a difference in this world.
You will always be a Hwarang Han Sung.
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ar_arguably romantic
February 15, 2017 at 2:54 PM
What a beautiful eulogy!
RIP, Hansung.
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Melon Soda
February 15, 2017 at 6:06 PM
Well said!! My first thought when he died and Hwa-gong gave that speech over his coffin was that "at least he died a Hwarang".... I wished they killed off that stupid grandfather instead le sigh.
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22 chimmy
February 15, 2017 at 10:55 AM
Cried buckets when the pure hearted and adorable Han-sung died ;( Hwarang will not be the same without him ;(
Well done, Taetae ~ Looking forward to your next drama.
Hoping for a happy ending for the Soo-yeon-Ban-ryu couple!
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UmbrellaMan
February 15, 2017 at 11:27 AM
Ban-ryu and Soo-yeon are the only shining thing left in this entire drama. (Especially since they killed Hansung)
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23 Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
February 15, 2017 at 11:00 AM
Minor nit-pick, but I don't think they could have had a poison so nasty that even a nick means certain death. Sword wounds bleed, which would wash a lot of the poison out. Just stab the sucker in the heart, then let the poison take the credit :)
You need to apply the poison via some non-bleedy needle-like wound, like snakes inject venom or like (according to recent news reports) the needle North Korean agents recently used to kill Kim Jong-un's disgraced older half-brother.
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
February 15, 2017 at 11:09 AM
Yeah but this is Dramaland. Injuries do not equal authenticity (sad face) Those arrow wounds wouldn't kill anyone straight either, it barely pierced Ah Ro; thus the biggest risk would actually be infection, not to mention the Princess would never be able to pull a bow strong enough to even remotely kill a man. (back when she shot SW)
Not to mention in the version I watched the subs said it was poison and then said it was venom... which are two different things...
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ar_arguably romantic
February 15, 2017 at 2:55 PM
Hahaha, I love this 'umm, in real life" talk! Dramas and their questionable presentation of how medicine works.
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redfox
February 15, 2017 at 11:09 AM
Yes, good point. Or use a genetically modified poisonous vampire...
I think I should stop commenting at this point. dont read all my c omments at one go, I dont want to wear the straight jacket again.
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
February 15, 2017 at 11:31 AM
but I'm thouroughly enjoying reading all your comments. they are fantabulous... :P Keep going!
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Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
February 15, 2017 at 12:34 PM
Yes, Redfox's comments are fantabulous. Someone should put them in a museum :)
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rentenmann *SWAG*
February 15, 2017 at 12:35 PM
Same here! You're much more articulate than I am, even with a straightjacket!
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momosa
February 15, 2017 at 5:15 PM
Aside from topic, how that guy was killed by agents is stuff out of a drama. Possibly the reason why Ji Dwi needs to hide his entire life till now.
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Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
February 15, 2017 at 10:33 PM
And in Introverted Boss, people are flying to Malaysia, where it happened. Be careful at the airport !!!!!
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transient
February 15, 2017 at 10:37 PM
Just stab the sucker in the heart, then let the poison take the credit
I like how practical we are at dramabeans :D
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24 maryk
February 15, 2017 at 11:57 AM
Wow finally jidwi done his part but what the hell was he waiting for,this whole thing was supposed to happen in atleast ep 15 .And c'mon was it necessary for hansung to die he could just shout to his broo.i dont get the act of throwing urself to save a person just like how aro and sunwoo doing.And him coming bare hand??? so pointless.Could someone kill the queen plz,,, Just make it slow and louder and that crap minister park.Now only 2 episodes remain if am correct and am not sure if they will meet my expectation of this drama.Oh my poor aro
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25 mochi
February 15, 2017 at 12:25 PM
Han-sung's death was so sad and Tae-hyung did a great job.
But the thing that bothers me the most about this show is the lack of interaction between Hwarang members.... It feels like we are supposed to guess that they are bonding, becoming friends, training and learning while we are watching other boring things... The last few episodes every time there is some political nonsense I skip.
I have no idea what the Queen wants and I honestly don't care. -.-
I also don't like how the show is pushing Sun-Woo to become the king. Ji-Dwi is perfect for that role, he just needed time and support from the friends he would make in Hwarang.
And we could have been watching that! I wish they explored their stories more. More actions like stealing medicine or saving friends from enemies. Unfortunately the love story took most of the precious time of the show, when it should have been a sweet side story (like Ban-Ryu/Soo-yeon <3)
~Thank god no crying Ah-Ro this time. The promising smart and spunky young lady from the beginning is gone most of the time. She only shines when Sun Woo is really far away and she interacts with other people. She won't die, 100% sure.~
The show had a great premise for lovely bromances but it didn't live up to it's potential. Too bad :(
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
February 15, 2017 at 4:46 PM
The Bromance Drama that Could've Been. < Basically sums up feelings on this. :)
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Del
February 15, 2017 at 4:58 PM
I share the same sentiments.
Up to episode 18, I really did not feel the bonding between the boys to actually believe they deeply care about each other. The only way we have to buy the bonding is by the characters to imperatively speaking out in your face that they are indeed close like how in this episode, Hansung kept voicing out his admiration on Sun Woo and this is the only episode where those two actually got to talk on personal level. It was the same between Sun Woo and Ji Dwi. Ji Dwi out of a sudden blurted out to Pa Oh that he likes Sun Woo when before that, they were both giving each other a cold shoulder.
The way I see it, the only characters that actually grow in the second half is Sun Woo and Suho. The rest, pretty much staying stagnant with Ji Dwi becoming worse, he is almost developed to become spineless. And comparatively, I am surprised Suho did not receive much credits when he is chivalrous, compassionate and level-headed at the same time. In fact, he has finer qualities to actually be considered worthy of the throne.
What frustrates me the most is that I was expecting each of our characters to grow and forming a strong brotherhood that actually made Hwarang legendary but all I could get are unnecessary angst, silly politics, vague motivation and mopey romance.
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mochi
February 15, 2017 at 5:19 PM
Totally agree!
I also like Soo-Ho and especially his interactions with Ban-Ryu. Those are rare moments when I can feel the bromance or someone caring about someone. I am sad we didn't have more similar moments between all members.
It is also sad that Sun-Woo didn't bond with them and had a friendship like with Mak-Moon....
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26 Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
February 15, 2017 at 12:38 PM
She is just as much a plot device as Ah-ro, doing whatever the story needs to create drama & danger for Ah-ro & the guys.
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mochi
February 15, 2017 at 2:32 PM
Yeah..unfortunately. :( Her role is also wasted because we are not sure what she wants exactly. Does she want the throne for herself, for her son, to protect her children, etc??? We can only guess with the crumbles we get.
She is doing whatever is necessary for the plot at the moment so she seems a bit incompetent as a queen and a ruler of the country. No wonder ministers want to replace her :D
When her guard asks her in this episode about Sun Woo and using him too much....even he sees where everything is going :D
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ar_arguably romantic
February 15, 2017 at 2:59 PM
I can't believe with such a Queen that Silla hasn't fallen already, but she must have been a somewhat good ruler to keep Baekje and Goguryeo at bay. So confused!!
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WishfulToki
February 15, 2017 at 3:22 PM
I'll have to rewatch Queen Seon Duk to be reminded of the strong queens of Silla and the wonderful Hwarang (Technically I think Seon Duk was Jinheung's grand-daughter, so it follows chronologically).
I read that Jinheung was one the greatest kings of Silla. Such a shame we won't see more than 'the beginning', as foretold in the drama's title. If they give me that 1-minute epilogue 'and he extended his territory, defeated Baekje, defeated Goguryeo and founded the Hwarang, reigning for a glorious total of 37 years', I will be a tiny bit consoled.
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Aym
February 16, 2017 at 12:30 AM
Rewatching Queen Seonduk is exactly what I have been doing after watching an episode of Hawrang. Only if the hawrangs in this drama were like Dukman, yooshin, and alchun (and even mishil's son)!
Imagining the drama Hawrang as actually have taken place before the drama Queen Seonduk as the actual backdrop/ history cracks me up. I can't imagine embarssing it would be for the characters of Queen Seonduk to find out how their ancestors are like in Hawrang!
For example, guess what Dukman! Your great grandpa/ The great king jinheung who beat a tiger with only a dagger spent his days as Hawrang chasing after a girl, learning how to dance, playing Robin hood in black ninja outfit, splashing in streams with other boys, moped around, playing hide and seek either his crazy mom and looking good in royal robes!
Aym
February 16, 2017 at 12:41 AM
By the way King Jinheung is Queen Seonduk's great grandfather (if only looking at her father's side).
And according to The Hawrang Segi, Lady Mishil, the big evil baddie from the Queen Seonduk drama was (if she really did exisit) a maternal granddaughter of Park Yongsil, the big evil baddie/ Baryu's stepdaughter (he was the father of mishil's mother) of this drama. I guess drama big evil baddie-ness is hereditary ?
27 gadis
February 15, 2017 at 1:00 PM
This writer frustrates me to no end. There seemed to be so much things happened in one eps, but by the end of the day, I realized that we were still standing in the same place. The writer just spend her time spinning the wheel a lot even when there were several actual interesting plot she could develop.
Even when she presented a dramatic story, she never spend a proper amount of time to make it pack a punch. Just like what happened with Hansung-Danse's storyline here. I was still trying hard to understand Danse's motivation and change of heart when suddenly everything happened, and then there was resolution, and actually it almost made no difference to the Hwarang House and its occupant. And I ended up mulling over the necessity of that scene. The same thing I felt when Ah-ro saved Sun-woo in this eps. Or when Ji-dwi claimed to be the rightful king in the last scene. Those were scenes I wanted to see, but the way the writer showed it to us just made me want to hurl something.
Sigh... End of rant.
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Needaname
February 15, 2017 at 1:55 PM
Totally agree! I feel like the scenes are just repeats, how many times did the assembly men tell the Queen to step down...I think it was at least 3 times in this episode...how many times has Jigong gone to confront the queen... or her brother has told her it's all her fault...ect. We get it, can we move on? Yes, the shoe scene, the arrow, even the grabbing the sword with both hands,SunWoo did that...I found the scenes disconnected, SunWoo finds out who his dad is, cut to Hansung's scene.. cut to happy couple with nothinh leading us into the scnesr...the flow in this episode was just off...yes SunWoo and Dad scene should have been expanded but I guess we will get it as flashback form...the show likes to have the characters just sit/walk/mop around and it seems all the action takes/took place in the flashbacks that they just didn't want us to watch a whole scene but prefer to feed it to us bit by bit in flashbacks...oh well. Maybe it was my mood but I found this episode weak...even though so much was crammed, yes, there was just something off that couldn't really get me into the scenes...I almost cried when Hansung died..but it just wasn't quite there...maybe it is just because of the illogical writing again...SunWoo roars when Hansung dies but no one hears him? And then when he walked into the classroom it just felt off that they weren't more distraught except for Yeowool...your friend just died, dont you want to know what happened?! Everything just felt kind of flat...not much response to what is going on...they are just kind of there...and yes when Arho takes the arrow, why wasn't another one shot or didn't they take cover...instead of "open your eyes"...oh well. We have accepted this show's flaws but these last two episodes are pushing it! But I know I'll be back next week! At least, I've come to appreciate all the actors! So thank you!
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ar_arguably romantic
February 15, 2017 at 3:06 PM
I agree with you that the editing this week is really pushing it! I wonder if they shot all the footage before editing after the actors were done with all the filming (preventing any additional shoots and reshoots) instead of doing film-edit-film-edit-film-edit.
The Dad and Sunwoo scene was so freaking odd. The dad was like "I'm your pops". And Sunwoo has a minor reaction and then nothing. If I were Sunwoo, I would have felt betrayed and would have had so many questions - like who was my mom? why was I abandoned?
I think the classroom couldn't feel more distraught because it looked like they barely knew him. Hansung abandoned his dorm for Sunwoo's dorm. Only Yeowool wanted to befriend him and probably hung out with him the most.
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redfox
February 15, 2017 at 3:22 PM
well, it´s not like his Dad is Darth Vader, so why overreact... keep calm and act stupid.
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ar_arguably romantic
February 15, 2017 at 4:50 PM
True true! And thinking back, he never express curiosity over his biological parentage.
💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
February 15, 2017 at 4:45 PM
Much agree, I do.
Every time I think we're getting somewhere with the story, we take a step back or don't move. Or it takes half an episode for Aro to tell someone about the epidemic (which still doesn't make sense in the grand scheme of things tbh, we know BR's step father is a dick, we don't need him killing innocent peasants to get money to prove it even more, like what was the point of that sickness at all?) which should've taken, idk, 30 seconds?
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ar_arguably romantic
February 15, 2017 at 4:56 PM
I wish the sickness was better weaved into the story and had started earlier on so that it can be a social justice issue that the Hwarang can learn about and try to find a solution for instead of an excuse for them to put on black outfits (that they look amazing in) and rob the dickhead. I enjoyed the theft, but yeah everything seems shoehorned in.
Who watches Father I'll take care of you? Thinking about the script, I am reminded of SJ and how he would give advice for DH's script.
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28 Lala
February 15, 2017 at 1:49 PM
This episode was so painful to watch why did it have to be our sunshine Hansung ;-; I was hoping that they wouldn't kill him off and instead kill Danse but they went the classic historical drama route and killed the cute character that deserved happiness ;-;
Hansung's death was so painful he truly admired and loved Sun Woo he wanted to become a better person because of him and protect his Danse from their grandpa. I think what really hurt was Sun Woo's promise to walk with him as Handing died in his arms. What hurt the most though was Yeo Wool breaking down into tears when he saw Hansung he cared so much for him and their cute friendship was my favorite to watch I can't believe we won't get to see that anymore.
I might sound a bit biased since I love Taehyung but he really did a fantastic job at dying the little details he added and the emotions he put into his voice and expressions made me cry buckets (even though I had already seen what happened bc twitter spoiled me) I'm happy Tae had a good experience acting in Hwarang with the cast that took care of him. I hope Tae is able to get more opportunities to act out various characters in the future (I personally want to see him in a villain role)
Ah Ro looked very beautiful in this episode when they changed her outfit and I thought it was hilarious when the princess walked in to see Ah Ro playing with the court ladies we can always count on Ah Ro to always turn anything to a positive situation. (Ah Ro took an arrow to the knee say that 5x fast)
I don't really like the whole wonhwa plotline they threw at us it was a bit random and out of place heck even Hansung's death seemed out of place to me the lead up to it was a bit rushed. I really really hope Sun Woo reaches out to Ji Dwi heck even the hwarangs and asks for help instead of carrying all the burdens himself.
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29 theigorot
February 15, 2017 at 2:01 PM
Thanks for the recap. I don't understand this show's politics. The queen wants the royal family to stay in power but she hasn't done anything since episode 1 to solidify her fragile hold to the throne. Aside from hiding Jd, she hasn't done anything to help him become a true king. She used then discarded Suho whose father is one of her loyal ally. Park Yong Shil and all the other ministers vying for the throne are not playing a smart game either. They all seem willing to sacrifice their sons just to gain power momentarily. What's the point of gaining the throne if there's no one who will continue the line. No one seems to care for the people aside from AR's father who neglected AR as a result. What is the point of gaining the throne if you have a weak, sick nation.
As for AR's dad, he is a good doctor but a terrible father. He is all talk but no action and yes good job revealing SW's real identity to the queen.
I want to sympathize with JD but I just can't. Yes mommy dear is crazy but he could have done something to help his cause. See SW manage to gain Hansung, dan se, suho & yeo wool's loyalty by actually doing something. But thank you show for introducing Park Hyun Sik to me. The boy can act and yes he's hot?.
As for AR, as many said there's no way she's dead. I'm one of the few who's invested in her story. I'm looking forward to seeing AR & SW's happy ever after. Girl's on fire this episode. Nice comeback both to the queen & the princess whose anger towards AR I don't get.
Come next week, I will still watch and hopefully the show will at least give me an ending I can live with.
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Angie
April 2, 2017 at 3:31 PM
I don't get it either!!! does the princess hate aro just because jidwi likes her? or is it because aro and sunwoo like each other?
that is so lame if it's true. i really wanted to root for her but if this is her whole story like, she can end up dead like her mom and park
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30 blnmom
February 15, 2017 at 2:49 PM
I'm starting to get worried for the youth of Korea, they're getting the wrong idea. Guys, if someone is shooting arrows or guns or whatever at your friend and you want to save them, PUSH THEM DOWN, and get down yourself. Do not jump in front of them to intercept the missile because 1) that will not work, you're not that fast and 2) that's stupid.
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Kalends
February 15, 2017 at 3:04 PM
Right?! I don't understand what the whole jump-in-front-of-my-friend-because-that'll-save-them idea. Sure, it looks noble and all, but it's just plain dumb. Archers usually have more than one arrow, and if they're really set on killing your friend, they're going to shoot again.
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theigorot
February 15, 2017 at 3:21 PM
But the assassin (I'm assuming the queen's guard) apparently has only one arrow lol unless the show is just dragging that scene.
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juniemoon
February 15, 2017 at 4:22 PM
Don't forget about Pa Oh, who is laying in wait to spirit Ah Ro away to safety... so I'm thinking the guard is dead. Or at least will be shortly either shot by Pa Oh, or killed by Sun Woo. After all SW owes him.
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Kaoren
February 16, 2017 at 4:49 AM
Except Sun-woo got to kill him with his bare hands - because no sword, no nothing. Gg.
ar_arguably romantic
February 15, 2017 at 3:14 PM
Lol! a tshirt needs to be made that quotes reason #1.
There needs to be a drama that makes fun of these dumb illogical tropes.
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
February 15, 2017 at 4:42 PM
I had the exact same thought when Sun Woo got shot prior hahaha my head was going 'RUGBY TACKLE HER HOLY SHIT IT WOULD TAKE LESS TIME' Or like, the one's that see the arrow coming and just stand still? Like, do you not know the meaning of DUCK.
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momosa
February 15, 2017 at 5:22 PM
This show likes to make actors jumping in front of target. Cue Sun Woo takes the arrow for Aro instead of Aro ducking, cue Aro blocking SW for JDwi, cue Han Sung taking the poison sword, cue Aro taking that one arrow instead of pushing SW away or even yelling or suddenly just because SW has become so naive.. the sigh.
The best part is I'm still watching this show, this is the hardest part to understand.
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bbstl 🧹
February 15, 2017 at 6:31 PM
LOL after the last recap, we each need to explain why we watched to the end ?
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
February 15, 2017 at 8:54 PM
I read the recap and then watched this episode... it made it easier, more bearable for some reason.
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bbstl 🧹
February 16, 2017 at 1:06 PM
To clarify, I meant after the final recap we need to explain ourselves to ourselves. Because I fully expect us all to still be here!
💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
February 17, 2017 at 3:30 PM
@bbstl OH well then yes I'm all for explaining that next week :P
Might have to get up at 6 again though...
siesta
February 16, 2017 at 5:34 AM
been staying here solely for Sammaekjong since ep 1 and ain't leaving till he does! xD
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Miss Lee
February 16, 2017 at 6:55 AM
We definitely do, because it doesn't make any sense just like the plot of the drama.
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Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
February 15, 2017 at 5:32 PM
Yes. Someone is going to get the idea that just standing in front of somebody is always the way to protect them -- even from the Truck of Doom.
(Also, both Korean and American shows seem to approve of charging into burning buildings to rescue people. Like they've never heard of smoke inhalation. That could really get someone killed).
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MESaya
February 15, 2017 at 7:52 PM
No, no, no... we should stand in front of our friend, cause we must support the writer, she/he wants to get acknowledge and receive some pats in her/his back, cause in this drama:
a. Never a person get shot and dies.
It always like ACME bombs, they always survive.
-> it's for the laugh (pat no. 1)
b. Ah-Ro at last get the shot.
See, you all don't like Ah-ro, so I shot her (twice) for you all.
Now give me the pat no. 2
3. You are all hate and whine, but I get the paycheck and the drama gets love, how about that?
I come to think the writer is right, and I am the stupid one, oh... le sigh.
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31 Kalends
February 15, 2017 at 3:01 PM
The show dragged out the mystery of Sun Woo's parentage for too long. We got whiff of it when Hwi Kyung first hobbled in and mentioned that he would have been king if it hadn't been for his disease.
I expected one of the Seok brothers to die - Dan Se because he's protective and noble, or Han Sung because he's the adorable and innocent sunshine - but I didn't expect for one to die at the hands of the other. Okay, indirectly die at the hands of the other. Dan Se definitely did not mean to kill his brother, and he was in one of the worst dilemmas ever - having to choose between his brother and his friend, who most likely was the first person to see him as an equal.
On the Hwarang title thingamabob (appears between the episode and the preview), you can see the shadows of five Hwarang, which match up with their character posters. However, Yeo Wool is the one missing, which makes me wonder if he was originally the one to die. I read somewhere that his shooting schedule conflicted with his music schedule, so maybe Han Sung was switched to die instead.
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Kalends
February 15, 2017 at 3:07 PM
In case of any misunderstandings, I meant V's schedules.
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Berubo
February 16, 2017 at 5:50 AM
I think the dying part was written from the beginning. It's was in the character description.
But his lack of screen time can be explained by his schedules though.
This kid filmed this between their world tour, kcon, comeback, promotions, variety show in Europe, fanmeet, making his solo song, preparing for the next comeback. He looked like his soul was leaving him at times. That's why I'm so proud of him. He still managed to act well. It was a successful acting debut for him.
Well done TaeTae!!!
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32 ar_arguably romantic
February 15, 2017 at 3:22 PM
Some random comments:
Dan Se's green outfit was divine! Best civilian outfit out of the cast.
I really dislike the Queen, but I thought the actress did really well portraying that scene when she struggled with killing Joonjung. The actress who also portrayed Joonjung was also really good.
Even Hansung knows to read a suspicious letter sent by male relative who has been mentally abusing you! Props! Though I wish he had warned Sunwoo, but how could Hansung have imagined Dan Se would go through with it.
You know, this could have been avoided (or delayed) if they had not skipped class. Everyone else was in the lecture hall when Sunwoo and Hansung was wandering around. Stay in school, kids!
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WishfulToki
February 15, 2017 at 3:31 PM
Yeah, that scene of Joon Jung killing was good because it was so horrific. It also increased my belief that the queen lost it long ago. Slowly stabbing someone in the heart, accusing them of treason, while you yourself cry? How twisted is this?
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Kalends
February 15, 2017 at 3:35 PM
I loved Dan Se's outfit, too!
I'm wondering why the grandfather sent the poison through Soo Ho's friend to Han Sung and finally to Dan Se. Give it to Dan Se yourself if you want Sun Woo to die so badly! But Sun Woo has an invisible shield of protection aka the writer, apparently.
Personally, I want to know why the Hwarang seem to have so much free time. Like, you can fail three assignments and get kicked out, but it doesn't matter if you skip class? We hardly see any actual learning being done and that's one of the show's disappointments. Came for the Hwarang's growth and interaction with each other, not the brooding and moping around.
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mochi
February 15, 2017 at 4:36 PM
"Personally, I want to know why the Hwarang seem to have so much free time. Like, you can fail three assignments and get kicked out, but it doesn’t matter if you skip class? We hardly see any actual learning being done and that’s one of the show’s disappointments. Came for the Hwarang’s growth and interaction with each other, not the brooding and moping around."
Agree...They come and go as they please even though they have only one free day in a week. They haven't attended many classes or learned anything new. Nothing special about teamwork...
Most of them come from families fighting for the power, and most of them didn't get along before Hwarang. We can only see glimpses of that through Ban-Ryu and Soo-Ho, but there are more things to explore.
Everyone has their own issues but everyone is dealing with them alone. That's why the bromance is a bit flat for me. They haven't spend enough time together (on screen) to feel like true friends or that they care for each other :(
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ar_arguably romantic
February 15, 2017 at 5:02 PM
I think the grandfather sent it to Hansung as a way to indirectly show that Hansung would be taking the poison if he doesn't kill the king.
Definitely way too much free time. It's funny how when Sunwoo first got commanded to be Hwarang, An Ji Gong freaked the hell out and was certain he would be tortured by hardships there. And early in the series, the boys did a lot of chores. But now, nada. I was surprised that Yeowool appeared to be studying in their room when Hansung was looking for Sunwoo.
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Kiara
February 15, 2017 at 5:30 PM
I don't get this An Ji guy either. Why is he not protecting Ah-ro, his own daughter and his only child left? Instead Moo-myung who is not even remotely related to them is being held responsible for her safety.
So many 50 shades of stupid people in this show it's crazy.
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Melon Soda
February 15, 2017 at 6:21 PM
"So many 50 shades of stupid people"
My favorite quote of the day LOL.
redfox
February 15, 2017 at 11:37 PM
if the king was decided by hard work, then Yeowool would be that student who had no spotlight during school but graduated cum laude and became head secretary of United Nations. or something. Really, can´t he get some sort of a reward?
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bbstl 🧹
February 15, 2017 at 3:49 PM
I wonder if we'll ever know how Joon Jung was killed by the Queen but managed to deliver the baby that grew up to be Sun Woo. And get him to the village. Not to mention why and how the victorious Wonwha would have been pregnant by a banished Prince. Hmmmm.
I'm not holding my breath.
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Ajusshi
February 16, 2017 at 3:33 AM
Grateful for your comments, particularly about the scene where the Queen remembers killing Joon jung and her child. The acting was good and and I thought the deed was terrifying and evil - a profound insight into the true nature of the Queen Regent. I couldn't believe that the majority of drama benes were taking it in their stride without so much as a mention! Even Lollypip dismisses it.
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33 sweetiepie
February 15, 2017 at 4:27 PM
i hope go ara's character will be dead for good. i hate her character here.
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34 Del
February 15, 2017 at 4:36 PM
I am just wondering, how is that possible for Sun Woo to have the rights for the throne when he is not even a Sacred Bone? Is he a Sacred Bone? Yes, the father is of royal blood but certainly not the mom.
And putting aside that Ji Dwi is my bias, is Sun Woo really deserving of the throne? No doubt, his action is always faster than Ji Dwi but I always find him being too impulsive (but I am also frustrated that Ji Dwi is always brooding and hesitant) but his fight is all about Aro.
I feel sad about Hansung's demise but I am even sadder by the way he left this show. He had no development other than still being that cute child, finding a friend in Sun Woo and the most courageous act he did was his willingness to risk his life for someone he cared for (Ok, that takes a lot of guts). This is the writer's fault for not letting us see much of his transition. All I can say is that he entered Hwarang as a puppy and depart still as a puppy.
And I don't know why I have a bad inkling that We Hwa will turn his back on Ji Dwi based on his remarks that the next person to take over the throne will still do the same despicable thing as the Queen did. If this one is coming, I am expecting Ji Dwi to be beaten into a pulp - as he has been portrayed as undeserving, not kingly, a coward and totally no one rally behind him.
This show really frustrates me with the inconsistency and the imbalance way of building up the plot and characters.
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WishfulToki
February 15, 2017 at 4:50 PM
Agree 100%. The only way for Sun Woo to be sacred bone is if both parents were... show is implying that Joon Jung was sacred bone, but of course this has not been confirmed. In any case, his father's disability had them removed from the royal family tree, so he doesn't possibly have a 'legal' claim to the throne.
IF show wants to explain this and the whole Ah-Ro dad-Queen relationship we need either 1) major flashback section in episode 19 or 2) Joon Jung to show up alive after all and tell the story herself. Or both I guess.
And Sun Woo is not deserving of the throne. He is impulsive, single-minded in his protection of Ah Ro, and just too stupid (read the above comments on to the rescue without a sword )
I'd hate it if the finale is about the boys being rivals for the throne rather than friends/cousins joining for a common cause... but oh well.
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Del
February 15, 2017 at 5:10 PM
Is Joon Jung a sacred bone?
When the show keeping the "in your face" formula by frequently getting everyone on this show to remind us that Sun Woo is deserving of the throne, my vote for worthiness actually goes to Suho.
He is courageous, level-headed and he is compassionate. He displayed the same consistent traits over and over again. When Yeowool thought that Banryu was being excluded from the robbery plan at Park Young Shil's place because he would tattle their plan, Suho on the other hand thought for the best interest of Banryu. This is how a king suppose to act. While Sun Woo is on the extreme side and Ji Dwi is on the recessive side, Suho's traits actually balancing them both.
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Miss Lee
February 16, 2017 at 6:43 AM
You are right!
Suho is qualified characteristically for the position.
He is stong and thinks clearly. Not as clearly as Jidwi, (he wanted to attack peasants a few episodes ago) but clearly enough. His insights always make me smile. Such a steadfast guy.
It's a shame he's not sacred bone
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dramabliss
February 15, 2017 at 5:59 PM
I've read some of the write-ups on King Jinheung, and there's no mention at all of an uncle (the Hwi-Kyung character here), his mother's older brother who could have been the crown prince. Is it because he really existed but was removed from the royal family tree and thus, is not mentioned in the historical records, or is Hwi-Kyung just a fictional character?
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Kiara
February 15, 2017 at 6:40 PM
I believe Hwi Kyung is fictional and that's why his name is not mentioned in any historical records. He is based on Queen Regent Jiso's real half brother, son of her father's concubine. He could have been the crown prince but he was a true bone because of his mother's status.
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Kiara
February 15, 2017 at 6:51 PM
Queen Regent Jiso was the king's eldest daughter with the queen so that is why she is a sacred bone and her half brother is not.
Kiara
February 15, 2017 at 5:16 PM
This writer never explained his parents' status clearly. The father is made out to be a sacred bone even though he has no right to rule because he has polio. If his status was removed then he is no longer a sacred bone.
The mother just said that the baby is a sacred bone. Who the heck is she and what makes her a sacred bone? Is she supposed to be the king's daughter too?
Historically neither one of them were sacred bone. He was a son of the late king's concubine and there is no historical records of her origin.
I hate writers who treats their audience like idiots. Like we don't understand the dang bone rank system.
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ar_arguably romantic
February 15, 2017 at 5:36 PM
I wonder if HwiKyung just had his royal status removed, but still keeps his sacred bone status since it's supposed to be inherited by blood?? Maybe he was demoted to a sacred bone who is an illegitimate child status, which will explain the recorded history that he was a child of a concubine?
We're Joonjung and HwiKyung married? Or did he just knock her up? I wonder if Joonjung was part of Ban Ryu's adopted dad's family who were the Parks who used to rule Silla. And I think the Parks supplied the brides to the Kims? Don't understand why a rejected royal gets to have a royal bride though to create a contender for the throne. If I was the dad, I would have married him to a true bone to make sure the succession would be clear for SMJ.
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bbstl 🧹
February 15, 2017 at 6:41 PM
Hasn't Hwi Kyung had to live in hiding all this time because of his illness, because he was banished from the Palace and court life? So why all of a sudden is he not only back out in public but now showing up at will in the Palace and in Queen's rooms at that? Honestly, this show.
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Kiara
February 15, 2017 at 7:35 PM
And...why the heck would he be hiding? No one seems to care. It makes sense that Sammakjong would be the one hiding because Minister Park and his minions were after him.
Kiara
February 15, 2017 at 7:24 PM
Royal status and sacred bone is kind of the same thing. The heirs to the throne were the sacred bone royals. The true bones were the half royals like Hwi Kyung.
"We’re Joonjung and HwiKyung married?"
The drama doesn't reveal anything about their relationship.
In history they were not. Hwi Kyung or whoever he is based on would be very very old or dead already.
In history King Jinheung was the one who established the Wonhwa and Hwarang organizations towards the end of his reign.
Joon Jung and Nammo were the very first wonhwa leaders. Joon Jung was jealous of Nammo and so she killed her. Joon Jung was later put to death by King Jinheung for killing her comrades and that was the end of the so called Wonhwa.
As you can see, the writer changed a lot of the history and the timeline.
-King Jinheung was not a Hwarang
-Queen Regent Jiso was not a wonhwa and she did not kill Joon Jung
-Moo Myung is fictional
etc .....
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ar_arguably romantic
February 15, 2017 at 8:02 PM
I understand adding fictional characters and the drama disclaimer warns the audience of it, but timeline changes are really confusing!
Kiara
February 15, 2017 at 9:45 PM
Yes I agree but I expected a fictional story with some fictional characters that at least makes sense.
Napkiin
February 15, 2017 at 6:57 PM
I was confused as well to why Sunwoo is a sacred bone. The princess told Ahro that they're both like the past Wonhwa before, a princess and a half breed. So that makes Sunwoo's mother not a sacred bone. How does this make Sunwoo even sacred bone???
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Kiara
February 15, 2017 at 7:27 PM
Ikr? This writer doesn't seems to keep track of her own story.
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ar_arguably romantic
February 15, 2017 at 8:01 PM
Could the other wonhwa be the half breed and Sunwoo's mom a princess by marriage?
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Napkiin
February 15, 2017 at 8:05 PM
No, the other Wonhwa Namo is a princess, I'm assuming it's Queen JIso's sister or cousin (not sure)? It says in her shrine "Namo Gongjoo (princess)". You can't be a princess by marriage anyway, you are a princess if your father is the King.
Napkiin
February 15, 2017 at 8:09 PM
*Nammo
transient
February 15, 2017 at 10:21 PM
I thought the same too. At best he can be a True Bone, but if his mother if a halfling, I doubt he can even be a True Bone
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Kiara
February 15, 2017 at 10:27 PM
If his mother was a halfling he would be Frodo and no Hobbits were not true bones.
(sorry can't help it, shoot me)
bbstl 🧹
February 16, 2017 at 8:51 AM
well, I cracked up ?
Napkiin
February 16, 2017 at 11:14 AM
Yea... if his mom is a halfling he can't be even true bone...
WishfulToki
February 16, 2017 at 11:52 AM
I'm dying here... the line 'One does not simply walk into Mordor' was made for Sun Woo the Ring Bearer.
Kiara
February 16, 2017 at 2:40 PM
Lol I can almost hear Sean Bean's voice saying that. At least Boromir was a sacred bone.
ar_arguably romantic
February 15, 2017 at 5:24 PM
I like Sunwoo it he definitely doesn't deserve the throne. The throne is more than being brave and being a good fighter and standing up for poor people. I don't think Dwi deserves it too.
As much as I dislike Princess Sookmyung, I think she is the most deserving of the throne and understand the responsibility and sacrifice. and she does seem to have some capacity for compassion.
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Ajusshi
February 16, 2017 at 3:46 AM
Where does she show compassion - remind us - not to AR?
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Miss Lee
February 16, 2017 at 6:33 AM
I beg to differ in the friendliest way possible.
How is SM qualified for the throne.
She is ruthless and has little regard for the lives of others. when did she shown compassion, and for whom?
I personally think Jidwi is Deserving of the throne because he has grown SO much since we first met him.
He was weak, entitled & rude in the first episodes and he didn't care about the people of Silla. He only wanted "his crown". Now he is brave & compassionate, has the ability to think things through & cares more about his people than anything else.
If that's not king material I don't know what is.
His transition into a caring individual is what makes me think he deserves this more than all the others. He wants to change Silla not for himself but for others. "The king that suffers but his people are safe"
His development has me sold!
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Noname
February 16, 2017 at 8:25 AM
He always talk or think but no action. How is he deserving the throne? It is just because of his bloodline not his capabilities....yet....
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WishfulToki
February 16, 2017 at 12:00 PM
Unfortunately whether someone is 'deserving' or not will (should!) make no difference in this drama. It's about who is sacred bone or not, and only Ji Dwi or Sookmyung qualify. Sun Woo's takeover, if it happens, would be a revolt. Violence would legitimise his rise to power.
I think Sookmyung might be a strong but cruel queen. We've been told too many times that she is just like her mother... so erm, not a good prospect.
Ji Dwi has made snail-paced improvement, but I believe he's mentally at the point where he could become a good king. I emphasise MENTALLY. It just hardly translated into action: fight for the people, get supporters, get money, make connections in the army (where are they by the way?), study the nobles...
I'm rooting for the drama to finish with the real King Jinheung on the throne. Fighting!
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Kiara
February 17, 2017 at 11:50 AM
I think Sookmyung would rule with an iron fist but not necessarily cruel. She just doesn't understand those who are lower than her in rank but with a good adviser she'd be fine.
She is politically savvy so she'd be able to have some control of her court. She might be able to solve the problem at the border so those peasants won't cross over to Baekje looking for food.
Asdf
February 17, 2017 at 9:02 PM
@kiara. I find myself mostly agreeing to your comments here in DB- hwarang thread. Same with the idea of SM probable rule as queen:) Objective comments/criticism are not easy find nowadays. @ar too:)
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35 Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
February 15, 2017 at 5:43 PM
Remember how grand-dad told Dan-se that if Dan-se failed, gramps and Han-sung would both drink the poison ?
He was part right. Technically Han-sung didn't DRINK the poison, but that's a minor quibble compared to everything else in the show. And there's still time for grand-dad....
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momosa
February 16, 2017 at 6:53 PM
I would also love to see grand dad ..... to finish the unfinish business & once for all wipe out their family, grand dad, son, truelings, halflings et al. It is aggravating to watch their stupidity.
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36 kimchikay
February 15, 2017 at 5:54 PM
My little puppy Hansungie....dramalords be wrecking havoc this Valentine's.
I'm so proud of Taehyung though - he did so well in this role!! I'm hoping he gets more projects that show a different side of him because this role was practically written for him (if anyone is wondering, Taehyung in real like is Hansung..there is like no difference lol)
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37 transient
February 15, 2017 at 6:06 PM
I almost cried when Hansung died, cheered when Aro was shot (and prayed that she will stay dead) and thrust my fist up in the air when Sammaekjong entered the court. I was so happy when Sammaekjong made his grand entrance.
Is the writer suddenly on killing spree or something? Or maybe she suddenly realized that there are only 2 episodes left. Previously Sun Woo survived when he was shot on the exact same place, but Aro died. But please, stay dead Aro. Gosh, the writer should've killed her early on when we still love her.
As for the current plot, I really hope that Sun Woo won't turn to the dark side and compete for the throne. This is not how I want the free Sun Woo to end up. On logical note, Jinheung is the current legitimate reigning king, so even if Sun Woo is a sacred bone, an attempt to overthrow the reigning king, regardless of the excuse, is nothing but the highest treason and can cost Sun Woo his head. So once again, I hope Sun Woo, as a character, will not be written down this drain.
To sum up: WHHHYYYY, WHY DID THE CUTE HAN SUNG HAVE TO DIE?
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transient
February 15, 2017 at 6:37 PM
Forgot to add this:
I can't help but to compare Baekhyun's Wang Eun (Scarlet Heart Ryeo) and V's Han Sung. Both characters were written as teenagers, maybe around the age of 14 to 16, with childish and cute personality. Both Baekhyun and V were essentially given the same character to portray, but the audience reception towards their portrayal differs greatly. While Baekhyun's Eun was generally negatively criticized, V's Han Sung was well liked.
I compared their acting and since both of them are relatively newbies in acting, the playing field is level between the two of them. I came to conclusion that while Han Sung is childish, he still behaves like someone with the mental maturity of a teenager, which is in correlation with his character's age. On the other hand, Eun, despite being written as a teenager, behaves like someone who is in primary school. Han Sung behaves like the teenager the audience expected to see, but Eun does not. This is why we find Eun's childishness unacceptable while Han Sung's acceptable. Therefore, the major contributing factor on a character's likeability is dependent on whether the character behaves with the mental maturity like in the real world. The mental maturity and the character's age must correlate.
By writing this post, I do not intend to bash Baekhyun because I do not know who messed up Eun's character, whether it is the acting or the script. I also do not intend to glorify V since I don't even know he exists until this drama and admittedly I cringed when I first read that idol singers (V and Park Hyung Sik) were going to be in the drama. I picked up the drama because of Park Seo Joon and only knew Minho from among cast list. I never watched any dramas with Park Hyung Sik either so I was really skeptical of his acting capabilities before this drama started.
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Kalends
February 15, 2017 at 7:05 PM
Lol, makes me feel better about shouting "Yes!" when Aro was shot. But she's the female lead, so I doubt she'll stay dead (Dan Se, could we borrow one of those pot shards?).
I fell off the Scarlet Heart Ryeo bandwagon about halfway through, so it's kind of funny that I'm still on board with Hwarang, when most people seem to prefer SHR. I agree with your analysis of Eun and Han Sung. Eun is definitely a lot more childish than Han Sung and that is probably why I was annoyed whenever he appeared. Another similarity between the dramas could be the rivalry between the female lead and the princess - Hae Soo & Yeon Hwa and now Aro & Sookmyung. And the fact that the royal family keeps using the female lead as a pawn to manipulate the male lead(s). Oh, and Sung Dong Il playing the father-figure/supporter to the prince.
...Did I forget anything?
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Ajusshi
February 16, 2017 at 3:58 AM
I was troubled with the writing of MLSHR but not so much as Hwarang. Ui and LSG kept me watching all the way through and preserved the dramas integrity for me. I was watching MDC at the same time, some of it was adorable and beautifully acted but the general tone of the drama was childish and the 'love' was not convincing. In the end that is Hwarangs biggest fault the main characters love is unconvincing.
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Kendi
February 16, 2017 at 4:57 AM
Lol, me was, "FINALLY!!"
But it was for the arrow, not Aro.
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Lala
February 15, 2017 at 7:28 PM
I completely agree with this they are both good for being rookie actors but although their roles were similar I found Hansung more likeable than Eun mainly because Hansung was childish while still being mature but Eun was childish in a negative way and the writers dragged out his childishness too much.
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ar_arguably romantic
February 15, 2017 at 8:12 PM
The problem with Baekhyun was the amount of screen time he got. V was barely in it, making the audience thirst for more. Less is more. I thought V was more likely to be between 18 and 20 in this drama. And it's also due to drama expectations. Everyone sort of expects Hwarang to be fluff and it features a lot of idols, so you have a general idea of what you're getting into. Scarlet heart is supposed to be serious. There were high expectations. They even had an award winning soprano sing one of the ost songs! The idols, IU and Baekhyun, had a lot of backlash (some of which was deserved)
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Del
February 15, 2017 at 10:59 PM
I agree with some of your points.
I seriously feel that Baekhyun's poor acting was the fault of the director. Because comparatively with Hwarang, the actors in Scarlet Heart (except LJK, the two Kang(s), the later HJH) pretty much under-performed. Even promising actor like Ji Soo did badly for a sageuk first-timer.
Whereas in Hwarang, I don't see much acting problem except for Go Ara. The rest of the young casts are all sageuk first-timers yet they performed decently. This is where I feel the director should be credited for guiding the actors well.
Should Baekhyun being well-guided, I think he could give a decent performance just like Eun's death scene (thanks to LJK's guidance) which admittedly cast a deeper impact on me compared to Hansung's death. I seriously think both are of the same level in term of potential, just that it's truly unfortunate that Baekhyun debuted with a lazy director who failed to properly guide him.
I was initially skeptical too of the presence of many idols in this drama. I know none of the casts except PSJ and Go Ara but I must say I am most impressed with Park Hyung Sik.
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38 DeeGee
February 15, 2017 at 6:28 PM
When Sammaekjong entered the throne room I literally raised my hands up like HALLELUJAH, FINALLY. My husband thought I was mad.
Thanks for the recap LollyPip! I look forward to reading your recaps!!
Random side note, Kang Sung (Ban Ryu's annoying Nando) is the same actor who played the timpanist in Naeil Cantabile, who was fanboying over Joo Won's character. It's so different seeing him play a jerk in this drama!
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39 Napkiin
February 15, 2017 at 7:08 PM
I fully enjoyed Banryu and Sooyeon moment in this episode, super cute! I wish the drama had more development between those 2 like in the manhwa. I really hope those 2 end up married by the end of the series or something, even if their family are against each other. *Princess' Man vibes*
I honestly don't know what's wrong with Go Ara's acting in this drama, is this because it's a sageuk?? Park Seo Joon is doing so well and it seems like his hard work is hitting a flat wall. I felt 0 chemistry between the 2 leads, there was more chemistry between Hansung and Sunwoo, Ahro's constant pouty face and frowning eyebrows are not helping either. Park Hyung Sik is doing fabulous and acting isn't even his primary job. Good thing this will end in a week. I'm going to miss everyone except Ahro.
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Kiara
February 15, 2017 at 7:39 PM
Have you seen her in "The Magician" with Yoo Seung-Ho? Same thing, two pretty people with zero chemistry.
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Napkiin
February 15, 2017 at 8:01 PM
Oh yes I have. Absolutely 0 chemistry, Yoo Seung Ho had more chemistry with magic tricks.
Don't get me wrong Go Ara is super gorgeous, but her acting is so flat I don't know how she manages to get lead roles. I feel Ahro in this always have the same expression: I'm worried but I'm pretty useless so I can't do anything
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Kendi
February 16, 2017 at 12:57 AM
Yoo Seung Ho should be evil again though, his eyes can stare into your soul xD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfYPKZl7W1w
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40 💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
February 15, 2017 at 7:14 PM
But guyss.... Aro doesn't know Hansung is dead. Aro, his other biffle, his noona. SHE DOESN'T KNOW AND SHE JUST THREW HERSELF IN FRONT OF AN ARROW. Dammit.
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41 wackycashew
February 15, 2017 at 7:58 PM
Thanks for the recap, LP!
Man, what an ep! Really heartbroken to see HS gone... Poison plans never go right, so I wasn't surprised that HS made the sacrifice for SW. But his death wasn't in vain and it made the Hwarang stronger. I think it's probably also made DS change his mind to follow his grandpa blindly. KTH, bravo on your acting debut!!
SY and BR are so cute. Smiley BR is so much better and I'm glad he told SH his true feelings for SY.
SW's birthright was pretty much hinted during the previous ep and it's good to finally get the confirmation. AJG rubbing this fact in the queen regent's face was so satisfying.
AR getting hurt this time for SW's sake... At least she was able to take the arrow this time instead of letting him be hurt for her again. I like how AR got along with her maids.
JD stepping up to reveal his identity. Well, it's about time!! I dig the entrance, but I'd doubt the ascension will be easy. Minister Park and his lackeys are bound to make things hard for JD to be king.
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42 genki-escapist
February 15, 2017 at 8:32 PM
I'm in distress. :'( I actually stopped fangirling over the drama because I FEEEEEELLLLLL into the deep dark blackhole of fangirling BTS... all because of Taehyung in this drama. He didn't even turn out to be my BTS bias, but still!
This is my adorkable puppy Hansung! I cried myself ragged over his death. I don't really know how I can watch more, he was a minor character but he was so pure and good, and I don't wanna live in a world without him. (Okay, yeah, I'm in a world without him, but I don't wanna watch THAT world without him.)
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Chocolatez99
February 15, 2017 at 10:34 PM
Same dude same. Haha I don't find myself into korean idols either but seeing Hansung in this drama totally made me curious about him. And I totally feeeeelllllll into the hole of fangirling BTS and it seems like there is no way out. Too sad he died. I cried buckets of tears and had to shut my mouth up so that my parents can't hear me heheh
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genki-escapist
February 17, 2017 at 10:09 AM
Hug me, I'm not yet over it. ToT (Is he your bias though???)
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Cody
February 16, 2017 at 7:25 AM
Then may I ask whose your bias in BTS??
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genki-escapist
February 17, 2017 at 10:23 AM
It's Jin and Jungkook. <3
ACTUALLY... what happened was I fixated on Taehyung (cause he was the one I knew and come on, he's adorable) and Jungkook was just so cute interacting with him and SUCH A SQUISHY BUNNY IN GENERAL that my big sister instincts just tingled full-force, and I was like "OMG, sorry Tae, I'll always love you but this precious child is my baby now." Then I obsessively watched Jungkook and noticed how Jin took care of him (feeding him, huhuhu, be still my noona heart) so it was like "welp, I guess I gotta marry this man now, so I can help him baby the precious child." ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ And um, I'm a sucker for voices like Jin's (though he gets flak for his singing), honestly the high pitch comforts me.
Then... I got around to fangirling over everyone else, also through Jungkook. XD
Taetae was my gateway to BTS, but basically my fangirling revolves around Jungkook, LOL.
So, I'm super thankful to Hansung and I also blame him for everything (this BTS thing, rawr, hahah).
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43 MX
February 15, 2017 at 8:57 PM
I don't know man. Sun Woo makes an excellent general, but seems a tad brash to be king, throwing punches and yelling at people... even if his heart is in the right place. He's also too focused on Ah Ro and miss the big picture at times.
We elected someone like that last year and the world is still adjusting...
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Del
February 15, 2017 at 10:40 PM
LOL. I know whom you meant.
So when I look at him, I will think of Sun Woo and when I look at Sun Woo, I will picture him.
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momosa
February 16, 2017 at 7:00 PM
God bless your country. We have one here too, the thick face dept. similar to yours.
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44 Dramasaurus
February 15, 2017 at 9:27 PM
Just noticed that there are many similarities between Scarlet Heart and Hwarang.
Both triggered Team SMJ - Team SunWoo and Team WS - Team WW.
Both productions have many complaints from us but we keep coming back for more.
Directing and editing team screwed up SH, while the writer-nim screwed up Hwarang.
Both have a sageuk-mane-of-glory champion in them.
Both have a king who initially has problem controlling their subjects.
I am glad both drama were not broadcasted at the same time (I read somewhere that Hwarang was originally meant for summer broadcast, in place of MDBC) or I will have mixed up the plot and character altogether. Especially General Park and Master We Hwa. And both shared same shooting location.
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Del
February 15, 2017 at 10:44 PM
Personally, I am and was unhealthily addicted to both. And both got me hooked for the same reason - being so good and promising (at least to my taste) in the beginning yet ended up frustrating to the core once they entered the later half.
Except for Scarlet Heart keeps increasing in ratings as the episodes progressed whereas Hwarang kept decreasing. And I was fully onboard with the main lead in SH whereas I am totally with the second lead in Hwarang.
I guess I have a fetish for tortured royal souls with mummy issue looking pretty in that mane of glory. It must be something to do with the hair.
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mochi
February 16, 2017 at 7:26 AM
For me Scarlet Heart was better than Hwarang. The story was more serious. It had its flaws of course but I kept returning every week. I cried my eyes out every time someone died there. All the emotions...And loved the soundtrack. The drama is my guilty pleasure :D
The Hwarang is so messy. I only keep watching because of some characters like Ji Dwi. Thank god only two episodes left :D It started nice and promising but then it took a sharp turn left leading downhill....
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loveblossom🌸
February 16, 2017 at 7:49 AM
Scarlet Heart and Hwarang had so much potential, but failed to deliver. That is why I'm disappointed about both of them.
I like SH more too because it felt more epic. I really got swept up into the whole story and tragic romance. The romance in Hwarang is lackluster.
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45 Kookkik
February 15, 2017 at 9:29 PM
I am confused. I remember seeing han sung's grandfather talked to Dan Se to kill the king. Dan Se already had that poison in his hands. But later garndfather sent the poison and letter to Hwarang house via Han Sung to give to his brother. So Han Sung could find out this "killing massage"? The plot is totally non sense to me.
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Dramasaurus
February 15, 2017 at 9:37 PM
DS probably rejected the first time, so he didn't take it. Grandpa decided to threaten him by sending the box to HS first, which of course HS will pass to DS. Basically telling DS, the poison is either for him to use or for HS to drink.
What grandpa miscalculated was that HS will be curious about the note to DS (proves he doesn't know his grandson well enough). And second, his friendship with SW.
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Kendi
February 16, 2017 at 1:16 AM
Such scene shouldn't happen behind the scene. Sigh.
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46 Aiwille
February 15, 2017 at 10:23 PM
As soon as I opened my facebook account, I was greeted by the spoiler that was Hansung's death. I mean, we all kinda expected it, right?
But WHY???!! WHHHYYYYYYY??!
Why does his death have to be handled this way? Why him? What impact did it do to the storyline and character development? Why did they have to throw him away?!
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47 azleenaa
February 16, 2017 at 2:30 AM
I knew it. They didn't show us that Youngshil is angry that his shed is being robbed & wanted to get revenge. The writing is so bad. He didn't even get his revenge. Don't you think the bad guy should at least won 1 thing from all conspiracy that he conjured. So unbalanced. I also feel sad that Hansung died. 2 thumbs up for V for his debut drama. Why it seems like Baekhyun scene in Scarlet Heart? LOLS.
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Dramasaurus
February 16, 2017 at 3:27 AM
I think it's time for all Korean drama production team to consider having most dramas to have 25-30 episodes, instead of standard 20. Dramas that have murder, killings and throne feud need at least that much to convey the whole plot to audience.
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momosa
February 16, 2017 at 7:22 PM
This makes sense, my theory for the behind the scene parts & logic defying, face palming, many 'whats & whys' parts to otherwise nicely shot scenes - this drama is slated for more than 20 episodes but TV station must have asked them to cut down to 20.
That will explain the many scenes we dont get to see but kudos to brainy beanies here who have cleverly deciphered what mysteriously happened behind screen which most of the times sounds right.
I get it now...
And the editor must be a young fanboy of Aro to give us so many of her scenes. And the director must have decided something equivalent to him giving up his nice work & refuse to look at the edited work because he was asked to skim down the drama length so much...
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48 Shiny Joy
February 16, 2017 at 3:34 AM
I feel really bad sometimes. Cuz the thing is, I happen to watch the drama in the mornings (I'm Australian) and cuz of my dad I need to go to school early. So I was crying in front of my fellow students and occasionally screaming DIE!!! for no real reason. I've been doing this for the past few weeks and I feel like this drama is getting too, what should I say, annoying? Sometimes I just feel so annoyed whenever something so stupid happens. I just end up screaming, followed by creepy stares.
This one time, my friend (who I got into watching dramas and who is currently obsessed) had completely watched hwarang in a matter of a few days and we'd secretly just watch it outside the library steps (we occasionally talk loudly) and while we watch the drama twice a week, she'd just be predicting what would happen next. Except, the thing is, IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS!!! I don't know if it's just her amazing prediction ability, or my terrible prediction ability but I was so amazed at her accuracy. She'd just be like, "oh no, the girls gonna die for the main then the king might not be able to rule well because he's sad." Or "plait girl and cold guy are so cute together and, even if stupid guy says anything, it'll definitely work out cuz, at least one couple has to work!"
Most of my friends think I'm a psychopath now because I kept saying stuff like, "I wish he killed his mum" or "why hasn't she died yet?" It's been a really weird couple of weeks...
P.S.this time thing here is incredibly confusing cuz sometimes there'd be new comments from the previous day that wasn't there an hour ago, I guess that's the wonderful ness of living in australia
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49 Kaoren
February 16, 2017 at 5:03 AM
Current personal theories:
1. LKS managed to curse Sun-woo with his bad luck. This is why people who come into contact with Sun-woo have short life expectancies, e.g. Hansung. I would like this to be true of Ah-ro, but looks like she has plot armour, which can stop even LKS's bad luck.
2. Mak-mun is the son of the other Wonwha and Ahn-ji. It's why he and Sun-woo were brought up togethe. His mum couldn't speak but perhaps she was silenced.
3. Sun-woo is going to take the throne and call himself Jinheung (because whatever, I don't really believe this but that's how weird Hwarang is getting, to the point I really don't know)
4. Sun-woo's mum is actually not a Sacred Bone. Hwi-kyung is just saying that because who the hell knows enough to rebut him? As long as it's possible Sun-woo is Sacred Bone, that's bad enough. (lolwut)
5. Sun-woo's real dad is Darth Vader. (I don't care anymore, this show is driving me crazy.)
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50 don'tknow
February 16, 2017 at 1:10 PM
So, she is dead?
I hope PSJ accepts the new drama offer since this one has been a disappointment so far!
and I hope he works on his chemistry with the lead actress on that new one. He and Go Ara look like a real brother and sister...
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