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High School King of Savvy: Episode 12

What do you do when you’re in love with your director who’s actually a high school student whom your sister also loves? Quit your job and move house! Well, that’s the best Soo-young can come up with, though it’s pretty clear that she’s not dealing with the root of the problem. Meanwhile Min-seok faces a new tragedy that tears his world apart, and he doesn’t even have his Secretary Jung to help him weather the pain. Jin-woo finally feels the worth of what he’s thrown away, while Yoo-ah struggles with a choice that could cost her happiness. It’s an episode of pain and growth as our characters discover that in life, as in love, there are rarely any easy answers.

 
EPISODE 12 RECAP

Min-seok grabs Soo-young by the wrist, leading her away so they can talk. Jin-woo counters with a second wrist grab, saying that he has no right to act this way. Soo-young tells both boys to leave since they’re making such a ruckus. Jin-woo warns Min-seok that he’s going to act as he pleases from now on and drenches Min-seok when he drives through a puddle. Min-seok swears up a storm as he watches the car drive away.

Jin-woo goes to the hospital to visit his mother, who has passed the critical stage after her suicide attempt. He calls his father and lets him know about Mom’s condition, saying that it’s up to his father whether to visit her or not.

Min-seok’s dad cooked breakfast for them all, but has to leave early for work. Min-seok wolfs down his food, but he’s still haunted by the memory of Jin-woo and Soo-young embracing. He mutters various threats against Jin-woo (“that shitty-looking weasel” is probably my favorite description), getting so worked up that he doesn’t even notice when Gramps sneaks away.

Soo-young has returned to Seoul, driven by her Mom’s nagging and accusations that she’s been fired. She runs into Gramps, who invites her back to his house. He assures her he’s not lost, and he’s so proud of remembering his home address that you can’t help feeling happy for him. We feel less happy for Soo-young a moment later, when she and Gramps run into Min-seok outside of the house and he finally finds out that she’s Pretty Unni. She still doesn’t want to speak with him, but she can’t argue with Gramps when he insists that they all go inside and eat watermelon.

Min-seok asks about Jin-woo, but when Soo-young immediately begins to leave he knows the subject is closed. He gets her to stay a little longer and urges her not to quit her job. “Aren’t you a modern woman who knows how to draw a line between personal and professional matters?” he asks. He lets her know that he covered for her with Team Leader Kim, and that she shouldn’t quit because of what happened.

Soo-young arrives home and puts on a calm and collected face for Yoo-ah, who seems a little uneasy about what her sister will choose to do. Yoo-ah quickly calls Jin-woo to inform him of her sister’s return. Meanwhile, Soo-young watches her reflection and remembers Min-seok’s words about not quitting. She tells herself in voiceover that he’s right, and she needs to go to work with her head held high and end things cleanly with him once and for all.

Soo-young is greeted warmly by the Retail Team — they even missed her nagging, and Assistant Manager Yoon adorably worries that she’s skinnier than she should be after staying with her mom. Dae-han and Yoon-ju rush in late, with Yoon-ju in the same clothes as yesterday and Dae-han sporting some intense dark circles. Their coworkers wonder what could have kept them up so late, when the World Cup is already over. That may be true, but it seems like they still want to score… rawr!

Min-seok arrives and sees that Soo-young has come to work. No sooner does he enter his office than his face lights up. But when Soo-young joins him in the office she’s all business. She updates him on his schedule, then tells him pointedly to call her noona. That kills his mood in a hurry.

For the rest of the day Soo-young follows him around and mixes her secretarial work with reminders that Min-seok should call her noona. He finds excuses to ignore her until they’re stuck in the elevator, when he can’t escape. He grudgingly calls her “noona” repeatedly, then demands what difference it makes. “Did my love really seem that childish to you?” Soo-young reminds herself that he’s a high-schooler and asks if his teachers taught him that before walking out.

Min-seok follows her outside, intent on continuing the conversation. Soo-young is in flight mode, however, and hops into Jin-woo’s car as he happens to be driving by. He chuckles about being used by her, then asks for a favor in return for helping her get away from Min-seok.

Soon Jin-woo and Soo-young arrive together at the hospital where Jin-woo’s mother is staying. Soo-young has a container of homemade red bean porridge, since Jin-woo told her his mother was having trouble eating the hospital food. Mom seems to be taken with Soo-young’s ways, telling Jin-woo that she is cute. Jin-woo admits that he messed up his timing and now Soo-young doesn’t like him back. This actually encourages Mom, though, because she was worried that her own issues might have pushed Jin-woo to give up on love altogether.

As Jin-woo walks Soo-young to the exit, he admits that the red bean porridge was just an excuse — he really only wanted to introduce her to his mother. As Soo-young leaves through the hospital door, she spies President Yoo entering the hospital. Jin-woo doesn’t see his father coming in. President Yoo looks through the window for a long moment, but he leaves without going in.

Min-seok is kicking ass as usual in the hockey rink, when a particularly rough check sends him into the boards at a bad angle and he falls to the ice writhing in pain. His father and his friends pace at the hospital where he’s undergoing shoulder surgery. There’s an adorable moment when he comes out of surgery and his father scolds him for acting like his body is indestructible, and Min-seok snipes back that he’s embarrassing him by making a big fuss out of nothing.

Unaware that Min-seok was hurt, Soo-young makes a call to her landlady and expresses a wish to move somewhere else. Aw, Gramps is going to be so sad if Pretty Unni moves away!

Team Leader Kim hears about the injury and lies to the Retail Team that Director Lee has come down with the flu. Assistant Manager Yoon asks Soo-young if she knows what’s wrong, and if she hasn’t made up with Min-seok yet after what he presumes to be a lover’s quarrel. Soo-young only makes an X with her fingers in reply.

Soo-young composes a message to Min-seok asking if he’s all right, but closes her phone before she can send it. Later that day she follows up on the search for a new house, locating an affordable place that doesn’t currently have anyone living there. She tells Yoo-ah about the move, phrasing it as though it’s a spontaneous decision that will be good for both of them. Yoo-ah doesn’t seem all that excited.

When she’s alone, Yoo-ah calls Tae-seok to find out how Min-seok is doing. The boys are visiting him at the hospital, where they can watch television. Yoo-ah leaves Tae-seok with an overbearing but sweet warning not to tire out her Husband Lee.

Tae-seok and Duk-hwan mess around while visiting Min-seok, who scolds them for being rowdy when the elders in the room are trying to sleep. He takes out his phone while his friends look at dirty pictures. He looks through the selcas he took of himself and Soo-young and basically stews in sadness.

Soo-young walks home from her errand, Min-seok’s mysterious illness foremost in her mind. Is he really sick, or did her insistence that he call her noona make him too frustrated to come to work? She stops worrying abruptly when she realizes that she’s walked to Min-seok’s house. She hits her rebellious legs indignantly.

Then Gramps and Dad come out of the house, ready to visit Min-seok in the hospital. Soo-young rushes to hide, while Dad fruitlessly tries to convince Gramps that he doesn’t have to go all the way to the hospital. Gramps merely insists that Min-seok is hurt, and keeps on going. Dad bows to the inevitable.

Soo-young breathes a sigh of relief when the two pass by without noticing her. She then reflects that she’s still far from wrapping up her feelings for Min-seok. Right away she takes out her phone and calls the real estate agent, asking if she can inspect the new apartment right away. Move house if you want to, Soo-young, but you’ll still be living in denial…

Gramps and the boys are having a grand old time in the hospital. Gramps hits Duk-hwan over the head for giving Min-seok a hard time when he’s injured, while Min-seok reassures him that he doesn’t mean any harm. It’s so sweet to see Gramps getting all protective of his grandson, even fanning him nonstop to keep him from getting overheated.

The doctor has bad news for the coach and Min-seok’s dad, however. The surgery went well, but it revealed that Min-seok should no longer play hockey. He can lead a normal life, but if he persists with strenuous exercise and sports he may lose the use of his arm. Dad knows this news will crush Min-seok, for whom hockey is a crucial part of his life. He begs the doctor to save his son, but there’s nothing that can be done.

Coach asks to see Min-seok alone, confusing the boys with his serious demeanor. Min-seok follows him out, still joking and smiling. Coach can’t even look at Min-seok as he shares the news from the doctor.

Soo-young meets with Team Leader Kim to give notice. He tells her to think of him as an oppa and speak comfortably… “except don’t bring up money.” Pfft. Soo-young informs him of her intention to quit at the end of the week. She admits that she really liked her work as a secretary, and that it was the first permanent position she’s ever had, but she’s still determined to leave.

Team Leader Kim is surprised to learn that Min-seok hasn’t come into work, even though he said the surgery went well. Over the phone Min-seok sounds completely dejected and drained, but Team Leader Kim isn’t immediately convinced. He accuses Min-seok of rebelling, but Min-seok only apologizes and hangs up.

Min-seok’s absence requires an emergency rooftop meeting between Team Leader Kim and Director Han. The team leader suspects that Min-seok is lying about his arm in an attempt to stop coming to work, which would leave our two co-conspirators out to dry. Director Han sends Team Leader Kim on a reconnaissance mission to Min-seok’s house, telling him to buy a fruit basket as a cover story. “With a melon?” asks Team Leader Kim. “He’s not even a real director,” Director Han snorts. “A melon is too much for him.”

Min-seok cleans out his locker, offering his old gear to Duk-hwan and Tae-seok. He tries to treat it like it’s no big deal, but his friends’ worried expressions say otherwise. Min-seok’s sunbae enters, gruff and abrasive to the very last. He says that Min-seok should have been more careful, and even though he hates everything about Min-seok, he hates his carelessness the most. Then he puts a hand brusquely on Min-seok’s shoulder before walking out, expressing what his bravado won’t let him say out loud.

Yoo-ah joins her boys as they’re leaving the locker room. She wants to treat Min-seok to some nice food, but he would rather be alone. He tells them he already took the day off work, so he’s going to go home, eat comfort food, and sleep.

President Yoo dreams about Min-seok’s father, who looks angrier than we’ve ever seen him. He’s yelling at someone who sounds an awful lot like the president, saying he deserves to die. He puts his hands around the person’s throat and tells him to die… which is when President Yoo comes back to his senses in the back of his car. He rubs his neck with both hands. Then he gets a call about “Chauffeur Choi,” which clues him in to his current whereabouts and the fact that he adopted both of Lee Jung-soo’s sons.

Duk-hwan and Tae-seok are at a restaurant, figuring out a plan to help Min-seok. They want to keep him busy, feed him, and just generally stick by his side like burrs so that he has no time to feel depressed. They leave for Min-seok’s home with a carryout bag of food.

When the boys arrive at the house, Team Leader Kim is already there with his fruit basket. He asks about Min-seok — ah, Director Lee’s younger brother — and learns the truth from Min-seok’s dad. Duk-hwan and Tae-seok learn that Min-seok isn’t at home where he said he would be, but they cover for him by claiming that he went to a PC-bang.

Team Leader Kim follows the boys outside to get more information. They recognize him as the Team Leader Kim that Min-seok told them about, and they’re so excited they pose for a selfie. They share what Min-seok told them about him: that at first he was like a crazy dog, but now Min-seok realizes he’s actually nice. They say he looks older than he actually is, to which Team Leader Kim retorts that Duk-hwan looks like he’s 32, not 18. Pfft. The actor really is 32, although he certainly had me fooled. Team Leader Kim asks them to let him know where Min-seok is and then leaves, muttering that he really hates high-schoolers.

Duk-hwan and Tae-seok restart the search for Min-seok, meeting up with Yoo-ah to comb the neighborhood. He’s nowhere around, and Yoo-ah hesitantly wonders if he might have gone to a bridge over the Han River to commit suicide. Tae-seok shoots that thought down immediately, saying that Min-seok isn’t that weak. They run to the school and finally find Min-seok: He’s been running laps all this time.

Yoo-ah urges him to stop aggravating his injury, but Min-seok gasps that he’s not “dead tired” yet. He’s going to run until he feels like dying, and he shrugs off Yoo-ah when she clings to him and asks him to stop. Tae-seok is the one who tells her to let Min-seok be, as this is something he needs to work out for himself.

Yoo-ah is reluctantly walking home when it starts to rain. She’s worried that her Husband Lee will get rained on, so she rushes back to school. When she gets there, umbrella in hand, she sees Min-seok sitting in the middle of the field in the rain, with Duk-hwan and Tae-seok standing behind him like silent sentinels.

With the rain pouring down, Min-seok finally gives in to his grief. Tears streak down his face as he relives all of his memories playing hockey. Matches and training camps and messing around with Duk-hwan and Tae-seok flash through his mind’s eye as he sits in the rain.

Min-seok finds his father drinking soju and eating at a roadside stall. His smile is back now and he calls out cheerfully, joining dad for a meal. Dad urges him to eat a lot, saying when he was Min-seok’s age he could even digest stones. He says that hockey isn’t everything, and that Min-seok can do anything he wants. “You sing well,” he points out. “You could become an idol!” Pfft.

Dad also suggests that Min-seok could start studying diligently — “Nah, that’s not it,” Min-seok immediately replies. Whatever Min-seok decides to do, Dad will support him. He says that Min-seok is a great guy, and Min-seok responds that more than anyone, Dad is the person who comforts him when he’s feeling down.

Next thing we know Dad, Gramps, and Min-seok are in a noraebang, singing their hearts out. Min-seok demonstrates some of his rapping and singing skills, cheering when the machine gives him full marks. “I could really become an idol!” he exults. We believe you, buddy.

Soo-young rocks out to a version of Bruno Mars’ “Runaway Baby” as she packs up her things. Yoo-ah asks her if she really wants to move, to which Soo-young responds that nothing good ever happened to her here. Yoo-ah walks away looking disappointed, while the lyrics of the song Soo-young is listening to pretty much say it all: “You better run run run away, run away, baby.” Maybe you can fool yourself, Soo-young, but you can’t fool Bruno!

Min-seok, Dad, and Gramps walk home from the noraebang. Dad muses that King Solomon was right when he said, “This too shall pass.” Nothing is so terrible that time won’t dull its painful edges. Meanwhile Gramps is falling asleep on his feet, so the other two support him while trying to get him home.

The sisters are about to move, when Yoo-ah finally speaks out. She tells Soo-young about Min-seok’s injury and how he’ll never play hockey again. She hates that she can’t make him feel better, but she thinks that Soo-young might be the best person to comfort him. “So go see him,” she says. Aw, Yoo-ah… in the words of Soo-young, you’ve grown up a little!

Soo-young rides along in the truck with her belongings, remembering all the good times with Min-seok. Eventually she tells the driver to turn back, gets something from her apartment, then runs away on foot. The driver calls out to her, and she shouts over her shoulder that she won’t be moving after all.

Min-seok leaves for work from school, but without his usual out-the-window maneuver. He walks by himself to the school exit, his expression dejected and sad. Then he sees Soo-young by the gate. Her arms are spread wide, and in one hand is the hockey puck with a happy face drawn on it that she got from Gramps. She pulls him into an embrace, telling him that when she is feeling sad, she just repeats the spell, “It’s okay. It’s okay. It’s okay.” He says he missed her, and Soo-young tells him that she’s done running. She doesn’t care if he’s 28 or 18, or if he’s Lee Hyung-seok or Lee Min-seok. “I love you like crazy.” They embrace again, in front of the gates of the school.

COMMENTS

I’ve pretty much run out of positive superlatives for this show. Back when the zany hijinks were front and center, Savvy surprised me by never losing sight of the emotional cores of each character. Now that basically everyone is miserable, the show inverts that trend by finding the humor amidst the angst. But the comic moments scattered throughout, like Team Leader Kim and his ridiculous fruit basket mission, seem to add poignancy to the emotional moments instead of detracting from them.

Many dramas seem to think that more tears equals a stronger reaction from the audience, but too often excessive wailing and waterworks actually harm one’s ability to empathize with a character. Savvy accomplished so much more with its lighter touches, showing how laughter and tears are inextricably intertwined.

How great was Min-seok this episode? His efforts to contain his grief and appear fine in front of his friends and family just killed me. We’ve seen this from him before, when he ran himself into the ground trying to contain his growing affection for Soo-young. But when Min-seok loses both the person and the sport he loves, he still tries to smile. No one was fooled — not us, not Yoo-ah, and definitely not Duk-hwan or Tae-seok. It’s only when he’s alone in the rain that he can’t hold back the tears… and mere hours later he’s back putting on a brave face for his Dad at the pojangmacha.

In the beginning of the episode Soo-young puzzled me a bit. I mean, using Jin-woo to escape from Min-seok? That seems kind of shortsighted to me, just based on her past history with both of them. After all, which of the two directors fired and then sexually assaulted you before, Soo-young? Hint: it wasn’t Min-seok!

To be fair, Jin-woo seemed to improve a lot in terms of his attitude towards Soo-young. He introduces her to his mother and freely admits that he screwed up, and that he sincerely likes her. He recognizes Soo-young’s worth as a person now, rather than seeing her as a way to attack Min-seok. That being said, I don’t think Jin-woo has any right to expect anything from Soo-young, given the way he has acted. Then again, worse people than Jin-woo have changed for the better, and he certainly seems to be trying.

The ending was all kinds of satisfying, not just because of the reconciliation but because it was only possible thanks to Yoo-ah’s actions. She was caught between her desire to help Min-seok and wanting to keep him to herself, and in the end she triumphed over the petty side of herself. She put Min-seok’s needs above her own, sending Soo-young to see him even if it meant losing her chance to split the two of them apart.

I was worried that Yoo-ah’s conspiracy with Jin-woo would lead her down a darker path, but instead she showed a surprising and altogether admirable maturity. This week’s happy ending was entirely thanks to Yoo-ah — I only hope that she gets a happy ending of her own. She certainly deserves it!

Now most of the secrets are out, at least between Min-seok and Soo-young. They’re honest about their feelings and determined to fight for them, which means we can look forward to some very satisfying developments in the near future. We still need to learn exactly how President Yoo was involved with the death of Min-seok’s biological father, and whether Hyung-seok’s plan is in any way connected with the president. Then there is the relationship between the sisters, which is bound to become more tense now that both admit to liking Min-seok. Whatever happens, I’m confident that Savvy will keep that mixture of sorrow and humor, laughter and tears, that has kept us all riveted since the beginning.

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Why do people cheer for noona romance with such a huge age gap..but in highschool love on people aren't into the girl being 14 but the leads being 23..either way both are jus creepy but noona romance r ok..If he was in America he would be underage so yeah..doesn't seem right

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Because 14 is much different from 18. Much different. Course with Korean ages I'm not sure if he is 17 or 18.

Though I do feel people are more...accepting of an older woman younger guy than the opposite.

I think it's bad to say it's creepy. For many people it's perfectly fine and nothing negative about it, within certain boundaries.

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I like the actors in the drama but since I know their real age it doesn't bother me as much but in high school love on would u be comfortable with them making out since in the story they the same age..wats the difference since both ages are in highschool..14 to 18 is that much of a gap cause she a little younger?? Even in America a new show called the hungry ones did an episode of an older women and a 17 year old and right when they found out..bam everyone went telling her immediately and she turn him down in an instance..probably if he was 28 and she was 38 but u telling me 18 in Korean is old enough??

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But 18 is also much different from 28 in terms of maturity and life experience. The age gap in this noona romance is a bit much for me.

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I don't want to be an extra but guys, Soo Young is 27. It's a 9 year difference, not 10 years.

Just wanted to clarify that because everyone keeps saying 10. Facts, just stating facts.

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The writers may be playing fast and loose with her age. In one of the recent episodes Duk-Hwan asks Min-Seok how old she is, and he says 28, and they made a big production of her being 10 years older than he is. However, I feel like at some point near the beginning, they said she was 27.

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Lol. Yeah i noticed that too. However, She did state that she was one year younger than Min Suk's hyung in the beginning. We know his hyung is 28 so she should be 27.

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just dont watch anymore if you cant take it! go and plant some tomatoes in your backyard that way you wont have to see this beautiful story unfold. Episode 13 deals with a lot of the issues being raised here by the prudes, c'mon, be prudes in real life but not in this reel life. keep calm, it's just a kdrama. Episode 14 preview hints at all hell breaking loose so am bracing myself for that one. maybe i wont watch it and just wait for next week coz I dont want to go on another cliffhanger. yea, if I could deal with my curiosity and just not watch episode 14 until it gets completed next week til ep 16. oh, but temptation is just a few clicks away.

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If he's 18 in Korea, he's 17 elsewhere (like the U.S.)

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This is late but watch witchs romance and then you'll really be shocked. There's a 14 year age gap in that one. But somehow it works

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Actually in the USA, it depends on the state. I've post this link before, once more won't hurt.

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_sexual_consent_in_the_United_States

In short, in 31 states, the age of consent is 16

In 9 states, the age of consent is 17.

In 10 states the age of consent is 18.

The Federal government has a legal age of consent of 18. Federal law, however, applies only to sexual acts that involve travel between different states, countries, or on federal property.

So, to say that "in the US he'd be underage" would depend on the state. In 40 states, he would not be underage.

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Justifying the situation makes it funnier..so pleas let your 16 year old daughter have relations with a 28 and tell me it isn't creepy..lol like I said jus cause they give consent don't mean they fully understand the situatiin..it's ok to join the army and killed people at 18 but can't have a drink..laws are sometimes irrational and makes no sense

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Not justifying, only clarifying. See the difference?

Hate to see people spout, "it's the law", when, no, actually in more cases, it's not.

Facts, they're a terrible thing.

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However the post you're replying to merely asserted that he was 'underage'. Stated in that general way, one could assume that exhalethemoment was connecting that depiction to her central premise of there being a maturity gap.

From the perspective of maturity, most people in the US would consider minor status to be anything under age 18-21. And if you're still in high school at age 18, you'd still be commonly viewed as a minor, regardless of whether you could legally have sex, drink or be drafted*.

*The military set its minimum age of service at 18. However, regardless of age, a person still needs a high school diploma or GED to be able to enlist. A person that hasn't graduated high school generally isn't psychologically ready for the demands of the job. Thus even by military standards, both age and life experience matter in assessing maturity.

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Okay...

I'm guessing that a lot of people here who watch this drama and comment on the age gap live in America? Lol.

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Thanks for adding this, John. I personally have no problem with a 18 year old and a 28 year old. Twenty-eight year ols are pretty immature for the most part.

Just as we can't say "it's the law" we also can't generalize about the USA because the USA has many cultures --Hispanic, Black, Arabic, White, African, etc-- and many states. So for someone to behave as if there is some "majority" opinion that makes every other opinion "icky" is a bit narrowminded. And judgemental.

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I don't think I ever said anything bout the law but jus stating facts back at your facts..but why can't people give their opinions without being called narrow minded or close off..If I were to see a 17 year girl with a 30 year man I would called the guy a pervert..people can state what they want in the comment section but if they aren't fully understanding of every situation they are ignorant..people are allow their opinions so don't know why u are so closed minded about my opinion..10 year difference in the 30s I have no problem with or even if he even graduated high school I be more open to the situation

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You said that if he was in America he would be underage. "Underage" is generally understood to mean "under the age of consent" and the age of consent has to do with the law. That's why some people are referencing the law in their replies to you.

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You are right that context (and pretext) matters.

You also raise an important point that most people, in their haste to sound politically correct or highly educated or simply because of their shallow analytical capacity, overlook.

There is a difference between men and women in several ways that do matter profoundly. And recognizing that what works for one gender does not work equally well when the gender is reversed should not make anyone a chauvinist. At least, not because of that alone.

And consideration of age depends on whether it is in the context of marriage or sex.

What I do find odd surrounding the whole noona romance is that women who are for it sound increasingly like activists. Almost as if they are driven by secret agenda to benefit from it. It makes me uncomfortable. Just do it without making it a symbolic act or a political/cultural cause, if two people want to go for it, and if neither will be breaking any law by doing it. No fuss, no muss. Please.

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Then, to extend your argument, because people in a culture are willing to overlook the sexual exploitation of children, and the children don't know better than to participate, we shouldn't be so 'narrow minded' or 'judgmental' as to restrict it?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_sexual_exploitation_of_children

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/dancingboys/

I'd assert that all age-related societal standards are set for a reason. They're set to protect both individuals and society from the unintended consequences / fallout of youthful folly and protect the young from being exploited.

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That is the law regarding age & sexual consent. Each state tries to calibrate the law as well as it could and as often as necessary so that the law catches up with the dropping age at which people are maturing and deemed to become capable of making legal consent.

But the law in the US regarding age and marriage is an entirely different story. Do you know, and does knowing the following change your view on noona romance, that a minor can legally marry with parental consent or with emancipation from parents? See the difference in the eyes of law between marriage (which requires sex for its consummation, without which it does not become legally complete) and sex (outside marriage)?

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I agree. Though 14 is much different than 18, he is still in HS. It's like that Friends episode when Monica thought she was dating a college senior but found out he's really a HS senior. It's "icky" to me. I'm 23 and I wouldn't go near a High Schooler, it would just feel wrong to me.

I find it easier to accept no on a romances if the guy is at least in college or has graduated from HS already. To me dating someone stillin school is like robbing the cradle. They haven't been in the real world yet and have so many life experiences ahead of them.

That's why I haven't watched the show, but scanning over the recaps out of curiosity since I love So In Guk. The show sounds fun and I get why people like it but for me it's just not realistic. Then again it's a drama so I shouldn't expect realistic lol.

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It's quite likely our heroine would never have even thought of going near Min Seok if she had known his real age.

But now she's already fallen in love with him. She did the right thing by trying to stay away - it was for "his" good that she did it, not hers. Or so she thought.

When she went back to him, it was for his good again. She said she needs to watch over him.

So i think with this pair is different from the monica-highschooler romance because in Friends, it was not love it was attraction. whereas here its pure love. Also, the relationship is very innocent.

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That's the major issue for me. Since she didn't know his age, she was not manipulating him or going after someone she thought had less power than her. In fact, it was the opposite. If anythign, I was just as ooged out by the fact that it was her boss... For example, I was kind of grossed out by Protect The Boss, for that reason. Anywhere there's a really obvious power relationship, I think you have to tread very lightly.

So the straight noona age difference is complicated by the boss-employee power relationship, as well as the fact that she didn't know he was younger, and in fact was presented as older... so this is not a case of seeing someone underage and having no other information and just assuming they're the right age. He presented himself as older and had a job that an older person would have. She clearly wasn't getting off on the age difference or using it to her benefit. That makes a lot of difference for me.

The other thing is, since this is a Korean drama, I think we can be certain that the physical relationship will not go too much further than it already has, at least without a time jump. That also mitigates soem of the oog factor. He's a high schooler having a relationship that is not measurably different from a relationship most of us would have had in high school (minus the age difference).

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But isn't the drama asking us to make a big leap to buy-off on the notion that a person can be "in love" with someone they know very little about? Casually compatible, yes. Attracted, yes. But happily-ever-after-in-love? That's a stretch, if we take our drama goggles off.

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Even in real life love is difficult to explain.

But in this case I am quite certain its true love on her part because she goes back to him when he is at his lowest.

She knows he is not the educated director and will quite likely go back to being a student once his brother comes back. She know he's not good at studies and is not even going to get a job close to what he currently has. She also knows that whatever future he has as a hockey player is also gone. Yet she goes back to him. That's love.

She has a valid reason to stay away. No one will point a finger at her saying that she dumped a boy when he was at his lowest. Infact they'd all be happy. But she still chose to go back to him. She chose a more difficult path for him. Which is why i say that this is true love.

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Personally, I don't think the drama is trying to convince us that these two are seriously in love with each other. It's trying to convince us that they deserve a chance.

Am I hoping they last forever? Of course! Because they're adorable together! But I don't think the drama is asking us to think that far.

(I'm just thinking that far, because I want to, lol.)

Speaking of the possibility of being in love with someone you barely know, I know a couple who literally knew each other a month, immediately knew they were meant for each other, and ended up married. That was at least five years ago, and they are still going strong. They are in a happy, healthy, committed relationship with each other.

Speaking from my own, Personal experience, I've been in love with someone for a number of years now whom I've spent very little real time with. And if the conditions were right, I would marry him today. (The conditions are not right, and they never will be right, so we'll never end up together, but I am very much head over heels for him.)

My point is that, while it's not always Advisable, it's not impossible either. Sometimes a person's character is just so present and obvious that you don't Need to know them for an extremely long time before you know you love them. Doesn't mean it will work out with them, but it doesn't mean you can't be in love with them either.

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Considering we have 5 episodes left, I highly doubt that the show is pushing us to believe that they are in happily-ever-after love. If this episode is the end of conflict for these two, I will be shocked. Though, I must admit, I would be pleasantly surprised--because the hurt that is in store for Min-soek has the potential to further test his and Soo-young's relationship in a satisfying way.

Regardless, I believe that they have as much or more of a genuine connection than OTPs in many other kdramas, considering the fact that they've spent quite a lot of time together, they've actually experienced being in a relationship with each other, they've consistently stood up for and supported each other, they've experienced each other at their worst and their best, they've weathered a number of small (and large!) conflicts and learned a great deal about how to communicate with each other in the process.

As someone who's been in an 8+-year committed relationship, I firmly believe that (barring huge incompatibilities), it is how couples weather the everyday conflicts and how successfully they are able to communicate openly with one another on a daily basis that matters most in the long run. It is the everyday intimacy, rather than the Big Issues that tend to make or break a couple.

Now, in your mind, the age gap may well be an issue so big that it is insurmountable, but it doesn't seem to be for these characters, and from where I'm sitting, I find that totally believable. Do I believe that these two are instantly destined to be together forever and live a life that is all puppies and unicorns? No, of course not. They still have a lot to learn about each other and about themselves. But I do believe that they have built a strong foundation of communication and respect, and am interested in seeing where that leads.

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I met my husband when I was 17, but we didn't date, we each just thought the other was really cute. We hung with the same crowd, so we visited a handful of times, but I already had a boyfriend at the time, and then there was a brief but complicated story-line right out of a K-drama, involving misunderstandings, dishonesty, two love triangles, a 2nd lead mean girl, and a princess with an entitlement mentality (me), and he moved away. Our whole connection probably spanned maybe 8 weeks.

3 years later we met up again, dated for 90 days and got married.

That was in 1982. Still married. 7 kids, loads of grandbabies, happily ever after in real life (meaning we fight, we make up, we have differences, we figure them out or live with them, and we still love each other).

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Okay, now I want to hear the full drama story-line. This sounds too juicy for you Not to share.

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It depends on how it's presented I guess. My Little Bride was a cute movie and the girl in it (Moon Geun Young) was 16 and the guy was in his 20s I think. They were married and even lived together in that movie. The relationship had parental consent though.

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Why does it feel he is looking for a mother figure and she is just crazy?

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Because you have no respect for people who grew up without a parent/parents or hey, you might be "crazy" too.

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Okay, here we go. When my brother was 18 he met a 26 yr old woman and fell in love. She loved him back. Waited the 4 years of college for him. Got married when he was 21 and she 29. How did their marriage turn out? Well for 10 years it was good. They had always talked about having one child, but for her it was never the right time. At age 39 she announced that she never really wanted to have children. He could not accept this and they divorced. He married again, had a child. She remarried 2 times but those marriages did not last. He actually remained on friendly terms with her, talking on the phone once or twice a year until her death. Looking back I'm pretty sure neither of them regretted their 14 years together. What broke them up had nothing to do with the age difference. So for me this kind of relationship is very possible.

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Parents of my friend met when she was 15 and he was 30. She looked older, he younger. They fell for each other before they knew their real age. They decided to fight for it, got married, later got two kids and lived happily ever after till they died decades later. Weird, but it happens.

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People, stop with the age thing already, ok? We are on episode 12 already, how could you hv gotten this far when you are so bothered. don't watch, just stop watching, coz you are so closed minded and hey, it's just a drama, not reality tv! / it is just a ten year difference here. In real life, the age diff between the actors is only 5 yrs. / and if i may cite another example in witch's romance the age diff is 19 years! Both real and reel. Geddit? But it was ok for us, coz they were just beautiful together on the screen. Seo in guk doesn't look like the high school student he was on reply 1997 wherein he really looked so young , here he looked like someone who looks older than 18 , like 20 or 21-ish. C'mon, just take the facts as presented and stop flipping on what is not. Geez, grow up a little. Oh, btw, Seo in Guk's mom is older than his dad by 7 years, of course, they met when she was 32 and he was 25 , still the diff is 7 but they made it work , there's the testament to their love that age is nothing but a number - Seo In Guk in your face! Let's just focus on this beautiful kdrama coz a good one is hard to come by these days, just the positives, enough with your prejudices, again, just don't watch, do us a favor and go ruin someone else's day.hmp!

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Because we're not THAT bothered even though we are somewhat bothered. Personally, I find relationship of a high schooler and 28 year old icky and somewhat creepy. I do. Watching this drama I just mostly try to ignore the fact and concentrate on other things.

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A worm is icky, anything slimy , dirty rotten stinky is icky, you are icky for thinking this age gap is icky, or imagine -what if it is your 28 year old self having a relationship with an 18 year old seo in guk for real, would you still think it is icky? I don't think so , don't lie, I know you'll like it... Then we would all go ... Eew ,icky much. Coz you don't look good together, it wasn't even about the age diff. Dramabeans, shut the comments section.

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Lol. I think removing rude comments about the age gap at this stage of the drama would solve a lot of problems for people who are enjoying the drama as it is.

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I totally agreed. It is not the age, but the life experience. she is far ahead of him with work, living with a sister on their own, and love. Remember, she was in love with Jin Woo for two years. I can't even think about getting the mom's approval. And, the fact that her sister is obsessed with him. She saw her sister's little tribute book. She can't get married to him, knowing that her sister is hurting somewhere, can she? This is my icky factor.

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I agree, Camille.
Every damn recap.

It's never going to end.
EVEN WHEN WE REACH EPISODE 17.
Even when Min Suk is 20 or even older, people will still bring up these issues and possibly say, "They should have stayed single till he was 20!"

I'm never going to get a break from these comments.
It's like, "We're sorry but we wish to rain on your parade" after every single episode.
Here I am, reading and enjoying wonderful recaps and then... BAM.

Even though we're already 2/3 into the drama itself, why is the age gap the only thing some people ever mention? They're not having sex for goodness sake! They are just dating, like what two people of any age and gender do. Their relationship isn't technically illegal unless they were doing the hanky-panky (and that would only be illegal in places with AOC of 18 & above or if there was no mutual consent)

Anyway. Even if you cannot accept the relationship, what about everything else that's good in the drama?

If you're still watching the drama even though you can't get on board with the main couple, but the only comments you can add to the discussion are ABOUT the age gap & negative views on the relationship says a lot. You're unconsciously(or even consciously) trying to piss on people who like the couple, really.

There are tons of other great stuff in the drama to comment about, like the acting skills or the comedy aspect .etc. Try those approaches when you decide to comment sometime, yeah? I'm not saying that it's wrong to share your own opinions about the couples in the drama but many of you seem to address it so rudely that it puts other people off.

ANOTHER NOTE. The age gap isn't 10 years, it's 9 years. Everyone needs to start correcting their facts, okay? I'm not mentioning this for any reason other than mathematically, IT'S 9 YEARS EVERYONE. THANK YOU.

I'm getting a migraine from all this, ugh.

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The problem isn't the age difference. The problem is that he is A LEGAL MINOR and this is an issue the writer has - for some inexplicable reason - simply chosen to ignore.

Min Seok could've been a 19 year old high schooler in his final year, but no, he's been written as 18 (in Western years he could be as young as 16, if his birthday is towards the end of the year); for this reason, the glaring fact that he's underage should have been addressed - yet it hasn't been.

Let's hope Min Seok's father doesn't decide to take legal action against Soo Young, for the sexual corruption of a minor.

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How can he press charges? They haven't even slept together, so there's no "sexual corruption" to speak of or for in this case.

There's such a thing called "overreaching" in arguments. You, my dear, are overreaching.

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Pointing out that 1) he's a legal minor in Korea and that that has not been addressed as an issue within the drama, and 2) Min Seok's father could press charges (regardless of whether or not they've actually had sex - he only needs to believe there's been inappropriate sexual activity; not hard to do, considering they've been on an overnight trip together) is not overreaching.

The show does have five more episodes to fill and no further dramatic conflict, after all. My dear.

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This drama still has a number of conflicts left to resolve that are unrelated to the main couple.

We have Min Seok who needs to find a new goal to pursue now that Hockey is off the table. (Although, judging by the teasers for the next episode, it might Not be off the table.)

We still don't know what Hyung is up to. And there's the itty bitty issue of Min Seok and Hyung's father and the President's involvement in his death.

There's plenty of dramatic conflict left to explore. It just doesn't relate to the romance in any way.

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Hold on. He's only still considered a legal minor in some parts of the world. Elsewhere, he's not considered a minor by law anymore. The age of consent in many countries around the world is 16, on average. I'm not saying that this means that it's wrong to be uncomfortable about their relationship but this is one of the reasons why there are people who have no issues with the relationship from that angle.

Secondly, I'm pretty sure that dating is not illegal as long as there are no sexual activities involved (which will probably not even happen in this drama at all or until he's older anyway)

Thirdly, this is just a fictional drama with an unrealistic plot and plausible relationships that can happen and do happen in real life. Your little scenario about his father is never going to happen, because this is... just a drama.

Pity, isn't it? It's unlikely that you'll see your justice served in drama-land.

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1) He's a legal minor IN KOREA, which is pretty relevant considering that's where he, y'know, lives.

2) I'm not saying they'll have sex, but physical contact with the intention of causing arousal = sexual corruption of a minor.

3) Never going to happen... *because* it's a drama? Yes, it's highly unlikely there'll be dramatic conflict within a drama. And it isn't as though they've an extra episode to fill or anything - oh, wait. They do.

Honestly, it doesn't matter if it's true or not - who'd want to hire Soo Young after finding out she'd been arrested for such a thing?

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I'm sorry if I sounded rude in my reply earlier. I'll apologise.

1) I'm not disagreeing with your point since we're talking about the laws in Korea itself. However, this isn't the first kdrama that has featured a relationship between a high school boy whose not 'legally an adult yet' and a legal adult. Korea seems to enjoy the noona-dongsaeng relationships in dramas since we've been getting a string on them lately.

2) I don't agree with you because I think hugging or kissing someone is not considered sexual corruption as long as it's mutual and in this case, seemingly always initiated by the younger party. However, that is my own opinion so you're entitled to your own.

3) I doubt the drama would really go that far. I'm sure they will bring up the fact that he's not legal yet though so there's no way for them to go any further in their relationship. It will happen eventually. However, there are still a ton of secrets left to tell in 5 episodes which are not related to the couple itself. Plus, a bunch of other characters to explore.

This drama doesn't focus on problems with complete seriousness. They tend to add a comedic factor to lighten the mood. If we do get a conflict such as the one you mentioned happening, they will probably approach it with a mix of seriousness and comedy.

Regardless, in the end, it's just a drama to most of the people watching and enjoying it. Why can't you just enjoy it as a fictional drama, just the way it is? If the people in Korea can do it, why can't you?

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Well my two cents on this "age" thing.

Does one have to be a certain age to fall in love? Isn't love that one quality that has broken rules and boundaries over the ages?

I see here a love that is pure and true. A love that is passionate yet not lustful. An innocent love that has nothing predatory in nature. A love that lights up the world of these two people.

How can I be not happy to see that? Sure he is a minor even by Korean standards, but we are not watching then jump into bed are we? That's not the road we are going on.

Its more about the sweet connection between the protagonist. Isn't it that the drama hinges on their love growing stronger by virtue of being dragged through a period of angst, heartbreak and misunderstandings before our hero reaches the legal adult age in a year or so?

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I'm not watching that drama but I don't have any issues with the ages there either, if that's what you're asking about.

Neither do I live in America, so Min Suk's not considered underage here. That's all I have to say :)

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Why do you think it isn't ok when it is just a kdrama? Most of the romantic comedies this year are noona romances, sort of. Why would they pair an obviously younger actor with an obviously older actress? Jeon ji Hyun and Kim soo Hyun, uhm Jung hwa and park seo wa, I need love actors, song hye gyo and choi min hyuk - emergency couple, even in cunning sly and single, there's the 2nd lead kang seo joon falling for Lee min June's character, it is just a trend, romanticizing it on the screen, just to give it a chance coz in reality it is not easy as it seems, and nobody looks like these actresses, including Jung soo young who is really pretty, a guy can't help but fall in love with them. And to justify the situation, all of those guys mentioned here are either chaebols or an alien who was here for 400 years so naturally he is super rich already. Now, only minsuk is the somewhat poor one, but Jung soo young is not well off either so social status is not a problem. It may look like that from this point on she will have to look out for him, but just in case you missed some episodes - minsuk in his own way, had always been on the look out for her, beginning on day 1 when she was out from drinking coz jinwoo broke her heart. Do we need to bring out the comparative sheet again? We should just focus on this drama and not bring in a lot stuff like age regulation for minors and stuff, if the Koreans are not liking this drama coz of the frigging age diff, ep 3 will not even see the light of day. He doesn't want anything from her other than the emotional connection they got going on, where do they go from here and will they stay together forever is still a guessing game, but let's have faith in the writers that they will give us a happy ending. And as for minsuk who made some worried that he won't amount to much coz he is not good with his studies and he can't play hockey anymore, hey, the guy pulled off the deception and a pretty likeable fella, too. He' s got some loyal friends, a hyung who is a well respected director in his field, a doting grandpa and loving fake dad, who said that minsuk can take over his laundromat business when he is old. He can be a hockey coach,too, after all he was one of the best.

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Well said about the relationship between them, my friend. Well said. I'm actually happy that we're going to see Soo Young try and look out for him this time. It's always been the other way round so it's a nice change!

Min Suk isn't useless now. Even though he's not exam-savvy or a genius, he's actually really smart in so many other ways; ways that will push him far in the real world. He adapts well to difficult situations he's put in and I'm sure he'll do the same this time round, with Soo Young as his support through it all.

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Forgive me for commenting in the context of episode 13 because I'm getting so impatient. KK. But in epi 13, what I loved most about the OTP is that they're not downplaying the AGE GAP AT ALL. If anything, they're even embracing it and pointing it out and made their own personal inside jokes about it. They handle the subject so comfortably that I'm now just amused that a lot of us are so affected by it. :D

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Hahaha! They're more mature and humourous than a bunch of people here!

I'd probably do the same thing too once in awhile if I was in a relationship like theirs. It's funny and shows how comfortable they are with each other! SUCH A GREAT PAIR OF BFFS AND LOVERS THEY ARE. Plus, it also shows that they chose to be uncaring towards the general society's evil and judgmental eyes. Instead of letting it get to them, they embrace it and treat it in a comedic and good-natured way! Awww.

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Please do not mix the age of actors and age of the characters together. Yes the actors age has a huge gap, Kim Sae Ron is 14 and Nam Woo Hyun is 24, but they do not have any romantic relationship (as far as I know). They only act together as professionals would do. But their characters are both 18! With Lee Seul Bi being probably much older since she is Angel (or a Reaper if you want) who is immortal.
Would be nice if people could get the facts straight first. I personally find the noona-dongsaeng relationship fine and cute. It is just a STORY a FICTION it is not a real life based story. Same goes for the noona-dongsaeng relationship in I Can Hear Your Voice and other dramas. Legally their are both adults (well it depends on country - for example in my country you are legally adult at 18 so i see it that way) so it's fine and do you know the saying in love age does not matter?
I know many real-lif couples where the female is actually a lot older (or opposite) and it can be seen pretty often even among celebrities. If they are both legally adult then why not? It is their happiness and love for each other that matters and no one has right to say a word to them. You may be disgusted by their huge gap relationship and I respect that because everyone has their own opinion and preferences, but we should differ between dramaland and real life and between actors and characters.
btw: In South Korea the noona-dongseng relationship in dramas is quite popular. I find it to be a pretty good theme since there is so many dillemas coming with it.

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Thank you for your comment! I agree with everything you have said :)

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My parents have this age gap. He was 19 when they met and she was 28. I guess sometimes love is just love.

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Why are we still discussing the age gap issue after 13 episodes? I have given my 2cents about it, like, 3 times, and I'm not going to repeat myself again. It is getting boring, we are repeating the same things over and over.
Since we already discussed (veeeeery much) the issue, and no one is going to convince the others, I would be so happy if we can talk about other things.
If you don't like the show, then don't watch it, but let the others comment and fangirl about it. Please don't take over the chat with your complaints, we already get that you have a problem with it.

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I know this comment is very late but I just can't help but say this. My brother-in-law was 18 when he got married to someone 9 years older but nobody was really upset about the age gap. They have been together for 24 years now and their marriage is still working fine. So I don't see what's the big fuss as long as both are in love and are of legal age.

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I really like Seo in Guk's facial expressions in this. I like just repeating some of them over again lol. I like the one when he's with Soo Young in his office when she came back, and he's all giddy and shows his front teeth, almost like a rabbit. I dunno, it's really adorable for me :D

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Yup, adorable he is.

SIG (both actor and character) is a jock, a stud, an alpha male, and a true leader of any pack. Guys like him make the best brothers, sons, boy friends, buddies, husbands, colleagues, business partners and bosses.

As an icing on the cake, he is good looking with a rascally smile. But I have to cringe when girls here call him cute. He's not a stuffed animal!

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I call SIG cute but I don't think he's a stuffed animal or a cuddly bear of any sort.
I consider the word cute as just another way of saying he's adorable.

That's just me, anyway.

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Ahhh yes! Seo in Guk is definitely an alpha male. In fact, that's why I love this actor most! I look at him, observe him, and I see only masculinity---even without the abs which seems a benchmark for most. When I saw that video of his house, I was more convinced that this guy is an alpha male and a very rare ---and difficult---- catch. (I really wonder what kind of girl makes a guy like him tick. Probably the cute ones, eh?) Anyway, the whole cute and adorable aspect of his is really icing on a super tasty cake. It is perceptive and innate to women because of this nurturing nature. But the truth is, he's really awesome because he gives off this dependable, manly-man, emotionally sturdy, and highly male vibe that is just crazy attractive. It's so solidly manly that even if he shows aegyo or goes cute and charming, there's still no questioning his alpha male-ness.

Stop me.

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Okay, where is this video of his house? I must see it. For research.......

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I'd stop you, riarallahshi but...I want in too! Where is that video? Yes yes. We need it for research purposes!

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LOL! OMG! Did I oversell it???? Hehehe. I can' find the subbed version anymore. He's really messy and it's probably just me liking it hahahaha. Anyway, here it is:
House --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlRDviVuiHo
But this other one I believe shows off his alpha-ness more than anything: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwjE0Kq3Lz1GZHI0VGZaQXk5bkk/edit This one I believe shows off his smarts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=remq57H2rPU So yeah, I've been pretty much doing nothing over the weekend. hahahaha

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OH DEAR.
MY HEART. Someone hold me.

He's so lazy & messy but it's definitely endearing in a weird way!
Plus, I laughed so much while watching the judo video.
HE'S SO ADORABLE AND MANLY IN ONE. HAHAHA.

I can definitely see that you've been spending your weekend very wisely ;)

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Love those videos! Especially the judo one. It was hilarious!

But man. If being really messy is a sign of being an alpha male, I'm in trouble. Because I am INSANELY messy. Probably more then him, lol.

And I'm a woman.

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If Seo In Guk is a dog, he'd be a hotdog.

If he's a hotdog, he'd be juicy and delicious.

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SIG is the kind of guy that goes sexy even without trying. I don't even know how to put it. Hahahaha. Okay, really. STOP ME.

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I loved Min-Seok's reaction. How he still managed to force a smile and try his best and his tears on that field were quite moving.

Where I'm from, 16 is the age of consent so call it culture, but I'm not creeped out by the romance. Also, its at 18 that people start college so yeah....no issues on my side.

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Even with consent they still young and easily manipulated...u think that age is ready for the real world then be my guess..how u think there are so many young pornstars out there..young and naive but gave consent..so I guess it would be ok because they said sure..

And calling soo young immature and challenge is such an excuse for her being able to go out with someone so young..it's her fault for not growing up in the real world and no one elses..still doesn't give an excuse jus because they both immature that it should be ok..There are plenty of immature people even in there 40s but I guess since they don't have the maturity level it doesn't matter what age the other person is since they the same level..stop justifying the situation

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Well, I didn't say anything about maturity levels. Just that I'M not creeped out by it and again that may well be as a result of how I'm cultured. If you are then that's quite fine.

Different strokes for different folks.

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Don't worry, Arhazivory.

It seems like we were both raised in places where the age of consent is 16. Although, people start college at 16/17 in my country instead of 18. Haha.

Their relationship doesn't 'creep' me out at all, especially since I consider Min Suk to be mature in all the right ways for his age! He's still growing up, of course. Not denying that. All the characters are growing up!

But like you said, it's different for everyone.

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Seriously, if you are so creeped out and disgusted and icky-ed out about it, then why are you watching it? In my experience, when I find something squicky, I stop watching it. Period. There is something about my moral fiber that makes me commit to my moral stance. I don't start making excuses for my squicked-out creeped out feeling by saying, "it's just a darma." I am usually so disgusted that I can't watch. So either you are not as squicked out as you think you are or you are used to putting aside your moral qualms for the sake of a drama. Which just seems weird to me. If you honestly don't like the show, and if there is no possible chance for you to grow in compassion for these characters or to move away from your judgemental mindset about these characters, then give up on the drama. Challenging Dramas/stories are for written for people who are capable of change. So let it go and commit fully to your disgust and stop watching the drama.

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Lol..I have actually stop watching the show after the kiss scene with his hurt arm..it's jus amusing to read the recap and the comments since there are so many different opinions about the age issue..so I like the banter and comments in this section..

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I couldn't agree more!! Savvy has made it quite clear what relationships will be platonic and which will be romantic so at this point, if the noona romance isn't something you're into then by all means stop watching and stop participating in the recaps.

it's just ruining it for everyone else who's open minded enough to move past the age gap and see the complexities of the characters and their development.

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I really don't see any complexities with any of the leads..One is young and needs to grow uo..The other is jus immature and need to grow up..it's already a given min needs to grow up but isn't the girl pretty old to still act so naive..it's not like she gives in to every request and is the all forgiving person like nara from ftly..The most complex character is easily jin wook and first time the jerk/emotionally detach/bad family history isn't getting the girl

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You're so right, Carole and Erica.

The story board of this drama has been laid out bear for everyone to see from the beginning. From the promotional teasers and the synopsis, we were already given ideas as to who the otp was going to be in the drama and that Min Suk's character would be a high school boy pretending to be a director.

Most of the viewers should have known what they were getting into when they decided to watch this drama.

I know that everyone has a right to feel differently about the couple and to voice their feelings NICELY but it doesn't make sense to keep watching when you don't get any enjoyment out of the drama.

Why continue watching only to post negative comments about the main couple in the recaps? If you don't like the couple in the drama and you still watch it, talk about something else you enjoy in the drama.

Like Erica said, "it’s just ruining it for everyone else who’s open minded enough to move past the age gap and see the complexities of the characters and their development."

It really is ruining it for everyone else who enjoys the drama and its characters. We come here to share our thoughts in regards to everything that's happening in the episodes.

BUT some people seem to come here just to post negative comments and nothing else. Why are you even reading these recaps or watching this drama if that's all you want to talk about? I don't get it.

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Exactly! When I saw that Temptation -- for example-- was about a married man with two other women, I thought... "Dang! I can't watch that. Women committing adultery i can sorta deal with but not guys doing it." Not exactly a balanced morality there but there it is.

Over the past weeks, I've heard folks totally praising Temptation and it sounds like a great drama. But because of this pet peeve of mine and because I know I will be uncomfortable and unfair to the drama, I resist watching it. That's what folks do. That is why the human brain created the ability for humans to avoid stuff that makes them uncomfortable. Forewarned....so why force one's self to deal with stuff that offends you?

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All I know is that I'm having fun and other viewers are not. So, yeah. I guess that's their preference. Arguing about it is getting old to me. For one, I love the drama for the wit, the banter, the details, the quirks, the actors, the characters... If I'm having as much fun watching it as the PD seems to be having as much fun working on it, I'm all for you show. Secondly, well I'm for Seo In Guk. Hahaha.

Though seriously, the age gap. For this drama, I don't care. If it happens to me in real life, I believe I'll cross the bridge when I get there. Although I doubt I'll ever come across a high school kid pretending to be a director in my lifetime. Haha.

It's a good thing this drama wasn't promising to be a realistic melo, just pure fun and romance. So for delivering what they offered, I applaud them. They even gave me poignancy and I love it more. As much as Dramas are often important pieces of art, there is absolutely no harm in taking something for its lightness and enjoying it as it is without over-thinking it. Although I really do applaud all the intellectual banter here too. It makes me learn so much. Except, perhaps a light romcom drama isn't the best place for it? Anyhow. Skip reading works for me very well.

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I think I'm gonna step out of these arguments from episode 13 onwards. I want to enjoy the episodes to the fullest and that means not letting anything get to me while watching it! Although, the fact that people defend our OTP makes me happy because they treasure those two just as much as We do (:

Regardless, I love this drama and Seo In Guk to bits! It's been such an enjoyable experience that I'm going to be so sad when it ends. Sigh.

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thanks for the recap!

indeed it was satisfying were this episode was leading to, but altogether it pretty much felt like a filler episode with those many flashbacks...

i actually had to laugh out loud at the not so subtle spam product placement, like they were parodying all those drama ppl.

in the next episode i am hoping to see soo-young working as min-suk's personal assistant not only for business but high school matters too, like it was "hinted" at in the beginning of the first episode!

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SPAM - yes! I was tickled at that PPL.

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I love Spam SO MUCH. If only I didn't know what's in it. That scene made me drool as much as the fried chicken scene in Let's Eat.

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After i watched that episode after coming home from work - i said to myself 'Dinner is solved.' I made me a SPAM sandwich with wheat bread n topped it off with ketchup i pilfered from KFC.

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Hahaha, wheat bread. That makes it healthy, right? :-)

The best sandwich -- bread, big slab of fried Spam, kimchi, mayo. Done.

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... In that case, what's the PPL for Soo-young's moss plant? Heh, just kiddin'!

Still, Gramps was trying to eat it, wasn't he?

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Seo In Guk is really growing as an actor! Maybe because his dramas almost always have awesome veterans involved but this guy keeps improving!

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"finding the humor amidst the angst"

YES! You are so on point! This show doesn't let us fall too deep, even if most of the major characters have reached rock bottom. (Bungeejumping being the metaphor here - you fall, but you will get jerked up again!)

Which also means: it's all uphill from here, and the end of this episode provided us with hope and a SK-ladder. Yay!

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On a different note: I got kind of irritated at people in the village referring to SÝ as probably mentally challeged, because this passing remark will make the character seem so much more unstable and irrational from now on. The writer is probably looking for ways to make the noona romance ok by calling on SYs maturity levels, but I do think that this spoiled her character for the rest of it ... dammit, now everytime the two are together I will have to think about mental stability. Oh noes!

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I look at that part more as people making rude and incorrect assumptions about her. She's not mentally challenged. She's just different. Which is normal.

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But didn't they say that her parents had her tested? That assumption would be on a whole other level of rude.

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According to kdrama.com's translation, her mom took her to the doctor, because she though Soo Young was too slow. But they little old bittys didn't say that she actually Was mentally challenged. I inferred from what they said that the doctor found nothing wrong with her. She's just different.

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Also (and I don't want to incite hordes of comments from everybody saying I'm making generalizations here, ok guys?) I'm not the slightest bit surprised the old bitty's made those comments. They live in the country, and country folk in Korea are not as well educated on issues such as mental disability and mental illness. There's not a lot of information being shared in Korea about either issue even in areas like Seoul, and the farther into the country you are, the less you know and understand about it. Those ladies were working off of their very limited knowledge and simply making an assumption that is inaccurate.

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I think this is one of the reason she also had a shame issue. Small towns are brutal and they all know and assume stuff about you and the trouble with projection is that it's a harsh kind of prison from which a person simply cannot escape, especially when a whole town is projecting "idiocy" on you.

Interesting that both heroine and Jin Woo have shame issues. He struck out at other folks whenever he felt oppressed by shame...but Soo Young internalized and just felt more bent over with self-recriminations.

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I do see her as somewhat pscychology-challenged. It is quite possible that (in real life) in such a relationship, Min Suk would grow past her psychologically. But I think she will begin to grow. She is far away from an entire town that never believed in her. She is no longer a contract employee who is mildly tolerated by her co-workers. Love has made her believe in herself.

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Like OhSoEnthusiastic said and I quote, "I look at that part more as people making rude and incorrect assumptions about her. She’s not mentally challenged. She’s just different. Which is normal."

Same here.
I don't think she is either. Unless they come right out with it in the drama or actually provide evidence, we should not assume such a thing. Mental issues, touchy subject!

Secondly, even if she had such a problem, that does not make their relationship any different. I've mentioned in the previous recap that anyone is capable of having a normal relationship, even those with severe mental illnesses as long as the other party is aware of the problems.

Min Suk is aware that she can be slow with things. He knows about her peculiarities, he accepts them and he treats her just as well as anyone else.

That makes them even better for each other because we know he can help her improve herself (he already has actually), become confident and grow into a wonderful woman who treasures herself.

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Hooray for Yoo-nah being sensible and that really shows that she loves Minseok!
I cried when the dad said that he will give his arms. Waaaaaaa
I like even how the sunbae patted Minseok's shoulder for comfort. But of course nothing can beat Soo-young's embrace!

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I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS RECAP SO I CAN EXPRESS ALL OF MY FEELINGS AND NOW IT IS HERE AND I AM HAPPYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!

First off. When grandpa takes you by the hand and leads you to the one you’re in love/like/crush/whatever you want to call it with…that’s called fate.

And look at Min Seok being all Mature and Adult telling Soo Young not to quit her job simply because they are having relationship issues! Reminding her that she’s a modern woman who knows how to separate personal matters and business matters. I really like how he handled that.

Of course, then she tried to run away anyway, lol. (We all know she’s just running away from the problem.) I’m glad she decided not to run away in the end. (Although I do feel like it would be a good idea for the two of them to sit down and have a long chat about everything. It won’t happen, but it would be a good idea.)

I’m so glad the reason Soo Young got into Jin Woo’s car was purely a tactic for getting away from Min Seok and not her becoming interested in Jin Woo romantically. THANK GOD. It was still a little weird and illogical, but as long as she’s not rekindling her feelings for Jin Woo, she can hop in and out of his car as often as she wants, lol.

Personally, I don’t think Jin Woo has changed. I think he is on the Path to change, but I don’t think he has Actually changed yet. I wish we could have gotten a few more scenes of him coming to terms with his own personality and how he consistently pushes people away, but I guess we’re out of luck now.

I’ve watched the teasers for the next episode I don’t know how many times. I’ve lost count. I am so eager for next week, I cannot contain myself.

I NEED NEW EPISODES NAOW!!!!!

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Random Thoughts and Observations:
Seo In Guk has the cutest smile on the PLANET!!!!! And those EYES!!!!

‘Call me noona. Call me noona.’ Bwahahahahaha

I love how the team leader for the hockey team doesn’t actually Hate Min Seok. He begrudgingly respects him.

Mr. Why is Life so Hard for Me looked genuinely shocked and sad when he learned that Min Seok wasn’t able to play hockey anymore. Maybe he’ll start being Nice and Understanding from now on?

Oh Yoo Ah. Yoo Ahhhh. She got me right in the heart.

Come on Mr. Older and Wiser. Sit Soo Young down and get her to spill it all out to you. Then give some of that awesome advice you’re so good at giving.

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Indeed! Plus the mole!

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Seo In Guk's smile is like sunshine on a gloomy, rainy day.

It's one of those smiles that will melt your sadness away temporarily if it ever gets directed your way. Can you imagine dating him, getting into a quarrel and then, he apologises with that bright smile and give you the puppy eyes?

UGHHHHH. SHOT THROUGH THE HEART.
I give up, I surrender!

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Bwahahahaha! Of man. He would So have an unfair advantage if it were me. He wouldn't even have to smile at me. He could just LOOK at me, and I would be like, 'Nevermind. You win. Forever.'

And I'm extremely opinionated and argumentative, lol.

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This was a great episode and thanks for the great recap!

I felt Min Seok's pain after being told of his sports ending injury and Seo In Guk's crying in the rain scene conveyed that pain and loss so clearly.

The light touches of humor as you have pointed out, purplecow, were placed just right along with the heavy moments.

The thing that stood out for me in this episode is Team Leader Kim's fruit basket visit to Min Seok's house. I believe this is the same house used for the Ha family of the kdrama Scandal: the Wrongful and Immoral Incident. Team Leader Kim played Jang Tae Ha's efficient henchman who bludgeoned Ha Eun Jung (played by Kim Jae Won) in front of that house.

I was relieved that Team leader Kim (who is so different here compared to the role he played in Scandal) had just a fruit basket at hand if he wanted to hurt Min Seok.

I must say Min Seok is very lucky that he has such great dad, gramps, friends and now his girl Soo Young.

I really want to know what is going on between Prez Yoo and MS's dads - both biological and adoptive.

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Another great episode!! LOVED the ending. Looking forward to seeing where we go from here, as always! Hurry up Monday!

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Thx so much for the recap. Really enjoying the show

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I love all the meta-jokes in this episode. About Duk Hwan who looks like thirty two and about Min Suk who should be a singer. It adds humour in this sad episode.

That ending scene was so beautiful. Can you hear Min Suk's breathing when he approaching Soo Young? It feels so real, he seemed nervous but happy to finally meet her. They embrace, and Soo Young tells her she still like him, don't care whoever he is--I was in tears. It's the same with the rain scene. I cried and it was painful to see Min Suk in so much pain. I also love how his adopted family, Yoo Ah, the coach and even the sunbae showing sympathy for him.

Seo In Guk needs to win an award for this role. He is great in every scene. I'm laughing when he's being funny, and I cry when he sad.

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loved them as well....and the shirt statements the guys would wear. Perfect Day? Hype? I know i didn't get a lot of the jokes bouncing around....but i got some.

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The breathing just added so much to that scene.

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oh, and the LOOK on his face when he hugs her!! gahhhhhhh...

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SIG probably made a bunch of us cry during the rain scene and the ending. I could feel his character's pain just from his facial expressions and his little actions (like the breathing thing).

Min Suk lost everything that meant the world to him. Everything that he wanted to have in his future. That's bound to reduce someone into a horrible mess. I know he's mentally strong but there's only so much fake-smiling anyone can do in their life before it breaks them.

Thankfully, Soo Young came back in time to stop him from spiraling downwards. I'm sure she'll be able to bring him back to himself with time. I have faith in you, Soo Young!

Save your man! ;D

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I was fine with a noona romance in IHYV when his age was out in the open (10 years difference) and it was a gradual transition to like him and even then with Hye Song she never even cared about the age difference. But in King of HS, I am not feeling it. Sure they are cute together. But I do not expect to be okay, when my bf lies about his age. And then after much pining and mini vacation later, oh yeah I am cool with it. I really don't like the pairing.

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I loved this episode. But i can't wait for the happy to begin. The OTP is so right. Min Seok is just so perfect as a human being.

Though I do love Jin Woo the best :) It's his voice! And his body language.

Am watching What's up just to get a little more of Lee Soo Hyun. He has very few dramas to his credit so that's kind of sad.

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Oh My God People!!! Really do we have to fight over the age gap in every episode? This is a drama, it's fiction the actors are older than the characters they are playing. The main actor is not 18 in real life he is older. If you don't feel comfortable watching then don't, no one is making you. Don't ruin it for other people learn how to tell the difference between reality and fiction. Get over it, Jeez!

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It's the central point of conflict and tension in the drama. It would be odd not to talk about it.

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This is a comment section..people can comment about anything and everything and since the main conflict doesn't seem to be bout covering his brother but their age gap..then wat do u expect people to talk about..is everyone suppose to agree and not state there opinion and be consider closed minded if they don't like a situation??

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The whole age gap discussion is fun to read. It's like watching NASCAR. I don't read it for the endless going around in circle. I do read it for that occasional crash and burn moment when someone says something way inappropriate. lol

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I so get you, Aigoooo...

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Yes, Min Seok's age gap between him and Soo Young WAS the central point of conflict of the show, but as you can see it has obliviously been resolved - hence Soo Young and Min Seok making up at the end of this episode. Therefore, at this point all you guys are doing are complaining about a pairing that clearly isn't going to be changing anytime soon.

So people should either learn how to accept this pairing for what it is and learn how to enjoy the show or don't, and stop ruining the excitement for everyone else. I never understood why ppl would continue to take part in something that bothers them...it isn't even like the writer who recaps this show shares your same sentiments.

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I think I am getting too obsessed with this show. Between Tuesday and today, I've re-watched so many of the episodes. lol Seo In Guk better win some kind of award for that crying scene in the rain because that totally got to me. This is the first time I actually realized how much Yoo Ah really cared for Min Seok as a person. I think this was the best episode so far. It had a nice balance of angst, comedy, meta and romance. I really like the last scene. What Soo Young said while she was hugging him seemed like poetry because the words she said kinda rhymed I think (that's what I heard anyways).

Did anyone notice the convenient store girl giving the guy the finger? I thought that was funny coz it was thrown in there in the middle of a serious scene when Soo Young was in the moving van.

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oh my gosh! Me too.

I've rewatched whole episodes and whole scenes.

The scenes I loved:
Min Seok realizing he had fallen in love.
The discovery of the underwear and Minseok's reaction.
The skating scene.
The raindrops keep falling on my head montage.
The brawl fight between Director and Director.
The no-longer-hockey player crying in the rain.
Jin Woo's confession.
Min Seok's confession
Soo Young's confession.

The beginning -- especially had to make clear what al happened in the beginning...and wondering why Hyung Suk refers to Min Suk as "my only blood relation who looks like me."

I thought watching a lot of dramas took up my spare time. But now i realize that having one drama that you really love takes up even more time because you are constantly rewatching and rewatching.

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I read in an article that SIG sat in the "rain" for 2 hours to dig deep to better express Min-seok's emotions. Which made me go aww!! We all have to thank Superstar K for giving him the break that he needed and for us to experience a multi-talented singer/actor like him!! He even has a likeable personality irl... from the one epi of RM that he guested in.

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Oh my gosh, the smile on my face when I saw this post!!!! Two more days, two more days, two more days!!!!! Holding on!

This drama is making it difficult for me to watch others because it really shows up the "convenient" writing in other dramas. It shows up the false emotions and false plot beats in current shows and makes it hard to sit through them.

I'll just say I love that the writers aren't doing the typical inorganic k-drama. True, we have Min Suk having to deal with a sudden plot complication but...it's not out of left field. We've seen how he often recklessly mistreats his body.

I love how all the clues and hints have been slowly laid out throughout all the episodes. I like the whole idea of "try to be nice to everyone because the world is small" and hell yeah, the chickens are gonna al be coming home to roost one day. Are the families of Min Suk or Soo Young going to get monies or titles they deserve? Is there a birth secret? A murder secret? Another adultery secret? ANTICIPATION!!!!!

Thanks for recapping this wonderful drama for us.

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PS: Am i worrying too much about Dae Han? I think he's a foil for Min Suk...the total opposite in terms of athletics and popularity......yet even he loves and gets love. He's always been shown as weak and one who tires easily. So i shouldn'y assume that a nosebleed means leukemia, right? Am I just watching too many kdramas? I should probably chock it up to a wild night with energetic man-eater Lego Hair?

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Girl, you've watched too many dramas, lol. I'm positive that that was a little aside to the common Asian drama trope where guys get nosebleeds from being turned on. Which is so far removed from reality and how bodies work that I find it absolutely hilarious.

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Nosebleeds in Asia often mean that you are either studying or working too hard or you are thinking about sex. So I think Dae Han is probably still healthy.

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Ah, thanks Dramalover and OhSoEnthusiastic! Ah the stuff one picks up about culture when one watches drama.

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Really loved this recap! I think the writers have done an AMAZING job making the unrealistic seem realistic in this drama, whether that be Min Seok pretending to be a Director or a 28 year old falling in love with a high schooler. Nothing seems out of place or unacknowledged, and all of the characters have acted accordingly and in sync to their character's typical behaviors.

I was wary of the Soo Young and Min Seok relationship but I think it's been handled really well and to be honest, Soo Young's maturity level doesn't seem to be too far ahead of Min Seok - which I believe was intended especially after last episode when she went home and the towns people were talking about how her mother thought she was "slow" when she was growing up.

Can't wait to see what's the story with Min Seok's brother!!

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Yes. Seo In Guk's skill as an actor will really shine even more as he differentiates the brothers.

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I am still rooting for Min Suk and Yoo Ah.

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Considering the involved and thoughtful discussion about age and relationships after episode 11 -- that seems to continue -- I shouldn’t really say this. Especially since I’m a fan of the main couple and trust the writers will make right some of the real concerns about power and propriety expressed.

But I started into poetry mode with Soo-Young’s words of comfort at the end…
“I don’t care if you’re Lee Hyung Suk…
or Lee Min Suk.
I don’t care if you’re twenty-eight…
or jailbait.”

Yeah, I know; sorry.

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Bwahahahahahahahahaha!

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LOL! Can't stop laughing. Yep...that poem pretty much says it.

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OH MY GOSH. HAHA.

If I were in Soo Young's place, I'd love to have a piece of that jailbait too ;)

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I have so much to say !

For starters, this is such an emotionally satisfying episode. More than shedding bucket of tears, or being teary eyed is the moment when your heart gets choked up that it feels real. And the episode was full of moments like those.

From dad's tears and suffering on hearing the news, that one line to take away his arm and to give to his kid, such a parental thing that no one else in the world can pull of, from coach's expression to calling him out, the difficulty etched on his face, to him saying it blunt and true just like a teacher should at that point, to just seo in guk's body language at that moment , like his entire energy and spirit is sucked away in a second.

Yes, this is a old cliche. The male lead getting himself damaged and thereby pushing leads back together which is not easy to do normally. But I have never before seen a kdrama execute it so flawlessly.
It was so pitch perfect, his pain was so amazingly real and you could feel him talking and smiling without being able to breathe.

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Yooh ah and his friends. The rain. And the tears. Entire life crashing down and where you know it will never be the same again.

Just when I thought its over, comes dad. I expected more tears and dialogues. But no, it was just what a dad does. Food and saying it will be okay and you are awesome. That scene slayed me. No camera angles, no brilliant genius dialogues, a simple meal and encouragement. And exactly what seo in guk needed to hear at that point. You could see it in his face, how do you know me so well to tell the exact thing I needed to believe in , even before he put it into words. His expression. Choked my heart up and didn't let me breathe.

And then yooh ah ! I have never liked any heroine anywhere where they give it all to a guy who doesn't care. They make me think how can people live like that without pride. But she made it so different. I understood her. Why she was doing it all. I got her love. I got her heartbreak. I got her tantrum to her sister. I got when she said I was first. That dialogue would have pissed me off anywhere else. And that's how I got it she can't see him suffer anymore. When she came back and told her sister to go to him, yes we all expected it would happen, but still, my heart felt crushed for her for a moment.
She was just a 18 year old girl who just lost her innocence and grew up.

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Yes to all that!!

I was biting my tongue before the Ep 12 recaps, knowing that a lot of people had been unhappy with Yoo Ah so far, and knowing that she's made pretty much the biggest sacrifice for her sister and Min-seok that she possibly could.

Sure, she's young, but she's been completely dedicated to Min-seok's welfare from the get go (even if it's only one-sided). She worked really hard to buy him that new pair of skates when she thought he was strapped for cash, and she looks after him in all kinds of small ways.

Her confession was great timing at the end of the episode, when everyone (she and us) were all at bursting point, and she couldn't keep it to herself any longer!

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She's really going through a heartbreak hotel now and I'm really sad her sister can't be there for her to help her through it :(

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And i have lots and lots to tell about the last scene. The final hug.
More than kisses, hugs are the most intimate. Hugs just give the entirety of you to the other ,for that one moment , the other person has you. And kdramas even when they get hugs right, it was not a right moment and when they have the right moment, the hugs are not done right.
Here its flawless and perfect.
Here his expression, when he saw her, then when she opened her arms for him, and him starting to breathe. Yes, she is not the only one for him. She is not the only one who matters or matters the most either. But she is special. For being that companion and his love.
And the consequences, reasons, beyond all of that, he needs a hug and she offered him that, without words.
The moment she hugged him, you could feel the entire weight lessening for that minute. Her saying its okay, for first time he started to believe its okay.
That hug was simply beautiful.

Even though I enjoyed this drama immensely, I never was fully on board their cute dates or odd coupling. Nothing lasts forever.

That couple where one needs the other and they are there even though there is nothing much he/she can do other than saying its okay, those two belong together. That's all I know.

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I have the unique (maybe not) perspective of actually dating an man who was 26 to my 17. I am ok with it as long as there is an open nature to the relationship. My parents knew about it, and it was very innocent (e.g. We didn't do much physically). I think the relationship must be looked on a case by case basis.

With that said, I think that this couple, now that the secret is out (to them), is a good match. I don't know if it will last, but I don't condemn it solely based on age.

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'I think the relationship must be looked on a case by case basis.'

This is what I was saying in the last recap. But people keep wanting to rehash the same arguments over and over expecting different responses.

Look guys. Some of you are creeped out. Some of you (including me, in this particular case) are not. We're not going to change each others minds. Let's just go on about our lives and watch some more dramas. Instead of creating drama ourselves.

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Well said, friends!

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There you go. That's just it. Enough said. Thumbs up!

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People who are creeped out by the OTP of this drama (but for some reason still come in here to comment over and over) are sort of ruining the comment section for this drama. Why are you so focused on something that creeps you out? Is it because other people are enjoying it so much and you don't understand?

Someone mentioned earlier that they don't watch the drama but enjoy discussing the age issue....how much more is there to discuss? People are repeating the same criticisms and the same replies are being given and it goes back and forth. I'm not saying you can't comment your opinion but it's getting a bit much. WE GET IT, you are disturbed by the drama, please spare us the same old diatribe about it. We've all heard it before.

OK back to talking about the real meat of the drama~

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Longtime lurker, but I couldn't resist popping in to say that this drama hits all the right notes, from charming to funny to utterly romantic to hilarious to heartbreaking. It's messy, what with the age difference, but honestly without that messiness it wouldn't be the show it is, and we wouldn't discuss it so much, and it wouldn't have received an extension, so there's that.

The age thing is an issue due to the cultural lens through which most Westerners view foreign shows. If we can just detach it, and try to remember that this is written by, starring, produced by and made for Koreans, then perhaps we can have intelligent arguments on the representation of the 'noona romance' and its implications. Otherwise, stick, meet dead horse.

Aside from that, I have to give a shout out to my girl, Soo Young. She is kooky, and her kookiness mixed with the way she deals with Jin Woo and Min Seok and general difficulties is wonderful. She's not immature, and I don't think she can be 'outgrown'. I like her character. It feels relatable. She's not one thing or the other. She's just Soo Young.

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'...stick, meet dead horse.'

You got That right.

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Thank you for the Soo-young shout-out. I am always irked by comments about Soo-young being "immature" or needing to "grow up" or saying that she and Min-soek could work together because she's "mentally" his age. I think that's bullshit, frankly. From what we have seen of Soo-young, I think that she has shown incredible resolve, maturity, and bravery in the face of great odds.

She cares for her mother and her sister financially. She is her sister's guardian. She has stepped into a number of new roles at work and excelled at them. She misread a situation and confessed to a man who wasn't into her, and then dealt with the fallout from that as best she could--by being upfront about it, bravely apologizing, and then avoiding uncomfortable situations when he asked her to do so. She has stood up for herself and her integrity when the man she loved (Jin-woo) tried to manipulate her into spying on her boss. She further rebuffed this man when he assaulted her, and she quickly identified & shut down his further attempts at manipulation (when he made it sound like she owed him the ability to apologize to her, she reminded him that she doesn't owe him anything). She was dealt the hug blow that the man she loved had been deceiving her about his age and still managed to be a loving sister by taking steps to removing herself from temptation (when most people in that situation would have dissolved into a pool of tears).

What about Soo-young's screams "immature" to so many people? Yes, she's an oddball. She walks funny and she's sort of in her own universe. But that doesn't mean she is immature or unintelligent, it means that she marches to the beat of her own drum. And I think that is awesome.

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Amen. Halleluiah! PRAISE JESUS!!!

All these people be like 'She has unusual quirks that you don't find in your average person. She must have a mental disability.'

I be like....*facepalm*

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I love that Soo Young is so un-cool that she actually went all the way around and became cool (if that makes any sense). hehe I also love how she can never hide her feelings. If she is pissed off at you, you can tell right away. Kudos to Lee Ha Na for giving Soo Young such great body language. After all is said and done, I think Soo Young will end up as my favorite Kdrama heroine of all time.

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She's definitely in my top five list right now. She just...doesn't Care if she's cool or uncool. And that's so Cool.

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Ugh, right?? Mental disability? You've gotta be kidding me! People are so judgmental.

If we ignore Soo-young's quirky mannerisms and focus on what she actually DOES, the CHOICES she makes, she has consistently shown herself to have a great deal of integrity, to be brave, to be kind, to be smart, to adapt to new situations, to stand up for herself, to care for others without becoming a doormat, to grin and bear it when she needs to, to fight when she needs to, to have foresight (when she recognizes that the only way she'll get over Min-soek is to move & leave her job), to take chances, to give herself time to think things through when she needs to, all while maintaining her sense of self. What more do people want??

When I compare Soo-young to, say, Jang-mi from Marriage Not Dating, Soo-young possesses significantly more wisdom and maturity. I adore Jang-mi, but girl has not learned to stand up and fight for herself. Heck, 30somethings in kdramas very rarely fight for themselves and their integrity as much as Soo-young has! Soo-young is a badass, and it makes me sad that people can't look past her quirk to see the strong woman underneath.

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Part of why it drives me nuts is because it's so disrespectful to people who really Do have mental disabilities. Everybody just stop making assumptions about people and their mental capacity and mental health! Geez!

I have to disagree with you about Jang Mi though. While I do think Jang Mi lets other people have their way a little too often, I do think both ladies have an equal amount of strength and resolve and bravery and integrity. They just show it in very different ways.

But yes. Soo Young (and Jang Mi, in my opinion) is Bad Ass. Drama writers! I want more bad ass female leads who are also nice people in dramas, please!

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I agree that Jang-mi is a total badass and a strong woman--maybe she wasn't the best comparison to make, given the multitude of kdrama heroines who don't have much depth. Jang-mi's brand of awesomeness is that she's kind of a revolutionary--she challenges the status quo and has a very fine-tuned emotional barometer which she shares outspokenly. I never get the sense that she just ignores or welcomes abuse, which is refreshing.

I do think that she has some maturing to do, though. I think her crippling fear of being alone keeps her in mediocre relationships for far too long. I think that in order to truly fight for yourself, you have to trust in your ability to care for yourself (whether with a partner or alone), and I look forward to her learning that being alone is not something to be feared. I also really wish that she would get some amazing female friends so that her support system is not dependent on her romantic interests, but that's a comment for another thread. :)

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rearwindow, I agree with that assessment. And I look forward to that happening as well. (Of course, I've seen the original, so I know what's coming next, lol.)

And yes to more female friends. They gave her one, and I was so happy about that, but they've done barely anything with her. Why even create the character if you're not going to use her?

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There's an original?? I didn't realize that! Was it a TW drama? Was it any good??

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Yeah, it's TW. Whether you like it or not will depend on what kinds of Asian dramas you enjoy. If it were a Korean drama, it would definitely fall under the makjang category. If you like makjang, then you'll like the original. If you don't like makjang, you won't like the original.

My own personal opinion?
I had a love-hate relationship with it. It was my first drama, so I had no frame of reference outside of American and British television and lots of anime. If I had never seen it and were to watch it now for the first time, I don't think I would be able to finish it. But it was insanely popular in Taiwan when it came out, and I do think it has it's charms. (I was really impressed with the female leads ability to cry and actually look genuinely upset. A few tears were shed on my end.)

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Since I'm not a huge fan of the makjang, I'll probably skip it. Not gonna lie, that makes me a little nervous for the second half of MND, given that I've enjoyed it so much thus far explicitly because it's avoided a lot of makjang-y cliches.

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I have been CONSISTENTLY impressed with this remake. The writers and directors have hit All of the high notes without any of the low notes of the original. They really zipped through the plot of the original in the first half which should mean they will do the same in the second. That will mean A Lot of the really ridiculous stuff from the second half will be completely skipped. I have complete faith in them.

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True, true! I, for one, have said she is immature. But you're right. She isn't immature in the way Jin Woo is immature, lashing out when angry..or jumping to conclusions about folks. She was, however, psychologically caged in, overly-self-critical, and somewhat lacking in self-confidence.

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Oh my god! This episode was just beautiful. Heartbreaking, funny, life-affirming. In spite of the extreme circumstances, none of the drama feels manufactured. And I love that the characters' pain brings everyone closer together rather than driving them apart. This is a group of characters who genuinely care for each other and support each other, and it pains them not to be able to take each others' pain away.

I respected Soo-young's decision to cut Min-soek out of her life because she was choosing her family over her love. It displayed a level of maturity that was satisfying to see from her, rather than noble idiocy (which is how lesser dramas might have spun that choice). But how incredibly satisfying was it for Yoo-ah to give her sister her blessing to go back to Min-soek? I felt like in that moment, Yoo-ah choose to love Min-soek (by doing what was best for him) rather than acting on her infatuation.

All throughout the episode, I was gutted by Soo-young's attempts to keep it all together the only way she could--by distancing herself from Min-soek, along with her realizations that he was deeper in her heart than she'd realized.

And then the final scene, which I could go on about indefinitely...How you could see Min-soek's out-of-body shock at seeing Soo-young there with her arms outstretched. How Soo-young flashed back to all of the many times in their relationship that Min-soek held his arms open to her, comforting her in her time of need. How he melted into her arms and you could see relief take over his entire body. How she spoke to him the exact perfect words that he needed to hear. How she didn't talk down to him or even try to build him up, but rather said "I know you're in pain. Be in pain with me." How relief spread through Soo-young as she made the decision, knowing full well all the complications, to choose love because social norms be damned, that was the Right thing to do. Because he needed her. And because she needed him.

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Thank you! Your comment summed up my sentiments so perfectly! Reading it brught a tear to my eye... Every time I watch and rewatch the final scene I start crying.. It is the most beautiful scene in a Kdrama ever in my books!

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I know, wasn't that scene amazing? This show has made a total Seo In Guk fangirl out of me.

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YES!!!

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Right?!??

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Longtime lurker, but I couldn't resist popping in to say that this drama hits all the right notes, from charming to funny to utterly romantic to hilarious to heartbreaking. It's messy, what with the age difference, but honestly without that messiness it wouldn't be the show it is, and we wouldn't discuss it so much, and it wouldn't have received an extension, so there's that.

The age thing is an issue due to the cultural lens through which most Westerners view foreign shows. If we can just detach it, and try to remember that this is written by, starring, produced by and made for Koreans, then perhaps we can have intelligent arguments on the representation of the 'noona romance' and its implications. Otherwise, stick, meet dead horse.

Aside from that, I have to give a shout out to my girl, Soo Young. She is kooky, and her kookiness mixed with the way she deals with Jin Woo and Min Seok and general difficulties is wonderful. She's not immature, and I don't think she can be 'outgrown'. I like her character. It feels relatable. She's not one thing or the other. She's just Soo Young.

What I loved: The rain scene. So powerful, and reinforces how vital friendship is to this show.

What I rewatched: Soo Young saying okay, again. Her arms outstretched, the puck, his face, the hug, the confession and the promise and then just him sinking into her. Loved. It.

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Sorry for the double post: this is what happens when you post for the first time and have no idea how the platform functions.

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She really is so kooky! I love her personality so much.

It honestly drives me nuts how everyone keeps saying that her personality quirks are a sign of mental deficiency. As if personality quirks are the only contributing factor in determining whether someone has a mental disability or not.

Remember people. Einstein flunked out of school and was told he was stupid and would never amount to anything.

Those people sure knew what they were talking about, didn't they? (Sarcasmmmmmmmmm)

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Haha! You are so damn right about Einstein, OhSoEnthusiastic! He amounted to so much more than anyone could have expected!

He was supposedly suffering from Autism but he and many others (Issac Newton, Thomas Edison.etc) are proof that mental or physical disabilities won't hold you back in life if you choose not to let them. You can grow and become so much better than anyone else if you never give up.

And yes. Mental illnesses are much more complicated than a few personality quirks. Anyone who has suffered/is suffering from a mental illness should know this very well. Nobody should determine something so serious with such limited information.

Anyway, back to the point!
We love Soo Young's quirks! She wouldn't be the Soo Young we love without them, right?

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I didn't know that about the autism thing. That's interesting.

I just love that Soo Young uses eenie meenie miney moe to make decisions. That is how I live my entire life, lol.

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Carole, I totally agree. I'm so much more sensitive to the poor script writing and directing in other dramas. The tired worn out tropes being recycled over and over. Trot Lovers is particularly painful to watch these last couple episodes.

As rookies, Seo In Guk and Jung Eun-ji shown like veterans in Answer me 1997, with its great writing and wonderful ensemble casting. High School King gives that opportunity again to Seo In Guk, letting us fully appreciate his nuanced portrayals and acting chops. Sadly, Trot's worn out script and weak directing overshadows Eun Ji's very natural on-screen presence and her growth as an actor. Here's hoping she'll have that advantage in her leading role.

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This drama has made me a Seo In Guk fan. I didn't see the Reply drama but kinda tracked the shipping wars. And Master's Sun didn't give SIG the opportunity to shine. But in this drama: wow!!!

You feel the emotions of his character because he seems to be feeling them. The look of delight and joy in his eyes when he looked at the heroine as they were in the skating rink. The grief on his face when they spoke at the beginning of episode 11. The pleading in his voice when he asks her to give him a chance. There is such honesty and reality in his acting. He has put his entire self into the story and into the part.

I'll have to praise the director and PDs as well because the entire cast have that sense of perfect reality and perfect heart. When that happens, you know it's because they all have a good director who challenges them to "go there" but who also creates a set where actors feel "safe" in being their most naked creative self.

And of course the writers!!! WOW!!! Love their work so far. They seem to be dedicated to truth and honesty. So much so that if this OTP relationship doesn't work out, we viewers will be sad but we will accept and believe it.

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Speaking of directors, my sincere thanks to the director who scouted out SIG and gave him a chance in Answer Me 97. He's said he wasn't sure about taking the lead then, and the director asked him how many scripts/offers he received for characters just like Chang-mo/Jeon-seol in Love Rain. Great insight for him to see SIG's potential as a strong romantic lead!

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The writer and the casting director definitely moved in and out of the decision to pick Seo In Guk as Yoon Jae, and when it was finally offered to Seo In guk he even thought he couldn't do it! They made the right decision pushing him into it! One thing about Seo In Guk though is that he chooses his projects really wisely. I think Jellyfish Ent is doing a great job with his career. Although Rascal Sons was relatively a flop and SIG received harsh criticisms in that drama, he remained consistently remarkable in all his other works after that---even in that movie which seemed to have only been a lame excuse for abs display, his acting was poignant.

I appreciate that Seo In Guk can place himself in a drama with actors in the ranks of So Ji Sub and Gong Hyo Jin and manage to create a dent in the viewers hearts. It's pretty much what Lee Hyung Suk has done in this drama too--- get a huge chunk of the viewer's affections. Although these things are highly accountable to the production team, one can tell the potential of an actor or actress in the way they up themselves for the challenge. Lee Ha Na shows a veteran quality to her acting while Lee Soo Hyuk and Lee Yeol Eum are doing a really convincing job. Gramps is a front runner for best supporting role, and everyday else is just a really efficient hockey team in setting forth the plot and the hijinks of the drama. I waited for High School King and I'm really really really impressed with the composition of the entire production team, including its actors. One can tell that they're after a quality production despite trolling here and there. I just have to praise TVN. I really love their shows.

I'm just glad that Seo In Guk made a good choice with this project. Forgive me for being a trope, but I really wish he won't ever go down to that path where Idols receive acting jobs just to continue with exposure. I hope it's just full on quality production from this point onward for Seo In Guk. (But he still has to go to the army, so that's another painful milestone in his career. I'm looking forward to that action noir film he's doing to be released because then I'll forget Lee Min Suk.)

All in all, I waited for Seo In Guk's next drama lead role after Reply 1997 which really set a high bar on him for me. I'm just so happy that his acting did not disappoint. But I'm over the roof that HSOK is carving a niche in my heart so close to the niche that Reply 1997 has carved, but Reply 1994 has emptied. I'm just happy. It's like my faith in dramas has been restored. For a while, I've felt like a zombie zooming in and out into romances and hoping for more. Finally, something I love not only for the leads, but for every single character in the drama too. I just love it.

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Director Kim on the stairs with Duk-hwan and Tae-seok taking a selfie? Omg, funny. And the dialog? Brilliant.
"Compared to your age, you look really old--he got that right'...'He can't be a high schooler...'I'm only 18'...you look like you're 32' Bhahahaha.

Then followed up with their genius impersonations of his speech, and him calling them on the company card. LOLOLOL. I have replayed this scene so many times...it is seriously one of the funniest I've seen in a Kdrama.

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The ending just about killed me. Seo in Guk's facial expressions and body language were simply perfect and spoke so much. My other favorite parts of the episode were the selfie and "call me noona," lol. I also literally applauded when Yoo Ah told Soo Young to find and comfort Min Seok. What a huge moment for her! The writer(s) is/are doing such a good job balancing the humor with the emotional and poignant moments.

I've also been obsessively listening to Seo In Guk's song from the show's OST...seriously, this man can do no wrong right now!

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min seok got his secretary jang back. all is well :)
except those awful dresses of hers. the outfit in which she skated left deep scars in me... which weren't able to heal cause they constantly do flashbacks of that event

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But the skating scene was so romantic. It showed how much they cared for each other and I loved how he didn't let her hand go while they were skating.

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oh my gosh, i loooooooooooooved the outfit she skated in! It was PERFECT! The youthfulness of Min Suks outfit combined withe the spinster/old maid outfit she wore totally epitomized the kind of noona romance where the young lover brings new life to the older woman, and where it is apparent that he sees how totally unstylish and out of it she is....and yet he loves her. There is also something both paternal and maternal about the scene. He emotionally holds her "up" and is symbolic of support and strength...and so is the stronger male figure to her because she is wearing that maternally looking dress. The one frame where they're skating and we see her buttoned-in-the-back skirt and her librarianesque (apologies to all stylish librarians) schoolmarm blouse ...well, it totally touched me. Perfect art design and art direction, i think.

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The final scene was so satisfying that I just sat there (alone) sobbing uncontrollably and wailing after it ended. This drama is just so good. Ugh, can't wait until Tuesday (for subs).

That rain scene broke my heart, but the scene afterwards of Min Seok and his dad trying to put on brave faces just absolutely shattered what was left of me. As purplecow said, we've seen Min Seok put up a front before--forcing a smile and raising his voice a few decibels higher than usual to show that he's "okay" (when it's apparent he's not)--but seeing his dad do the same was like a double dose of devastation.

Both sisters' moments of hesitation in this episode got to me as well. These hesitations to tell/ask each other something weren't there before this whole mess happened and seeing them being cautious around each other now kinda saddens me. I hope that they'll somehow rebuild their sisterly bond soon.

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The sisters will rebuild. Soo Young has sacrificed her entire adult life for her sister. She's never done anything for herself really. And she's never chosen to do anything society would consider wrong. I think Yoo Ah understands this. Yoo Ah knows her sis deserves some joy.

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But if one has NEVER EVER EVER had a romance...... Sometimes realizig someone can fall in love with you is the most amazingly healing thing. And Soo Young needed to know this. I think Yoo Ah realized her sister needed this love. Yeah, i know..am making love seem like the great heal-all. But in this case, and maybe in a lotta cases, a love affair can kickstart a whole lotta self esteem.

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Seeing people argue about the age difference on every single recap is so annoying and I'm tired of it.

I get it, some people are fine with it, some aren't. If the age difference is a problem for you, that's fine, don't watch the drama it's that simple.

In real life the actors are adults, and even in the drama, Min Seok is literally a year away or so of becoming a legal adult.

ANYWAY, loving this show and the recaps!

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It's a sad state of affairs. You have a drama that has great writing, acting, humor, story, cinematography, ost, etc and all some people take away from it is the age difference. It's like showing someone a masterpiece painting like The Birth of Venus by Botticelli and all they can comment on is that the lady is naked in the painting. hehe

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HAHA.
That's actually a good comparison!

1st person: Look at this painting! It's beautiful! Can you feel the emotions it exhibits? It definitely lives up to its name.

2nd person: What? She's naked. Why is a painting of a nude lady considered art and not porn? I don't get it.

... Heh.

I tried okay, guys. I tried!

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Brilliant comparison! While I have nothing against people who just cannot accept the age difference, those conversations get so boring after a while because they have very little to do with the drama beyond the premise.

Like, if people could point to specific directing or writing choices that make this couple particularly hard to root for (beyond the episode-one decision to make Min-soek a high schooler and Soo-young a 20something), then at least we could have an in-depth conversation about the merits of the writing/directing/acting in each episode. As it is, most of the detractors seem more interested in debating the political and social implications of the 9-year age gap than discussing the drama itself, which is fine, I guess…but repetitive and boring to those of us who want to come and analyze each episode to pieces.

I have nothing against a healthy dialogue, but I want to debate this show in more depth than “the main couple is icky!” “no they’re not!” There’s certainly plenty here to discuss, which is why it’s particularly frustrating when we can’t seem to get past the kneejerk “age gap!” reactions.

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I feel the same way. I completely understand, and respect, the fact that some people are just not okay with it. I don't fault them for their personal feelings on the subject. (It's a very complex issue.) But at this point, the couple is not going to change. It's time to set the issue aside.

I really wonder if there was this much discussion over the age thing when I Hear Your Voice was being recapped. Were people as up in arms about it as they are here? (I'm just curious, because I wasn't coming onto dramabeans frequently to read recaps, and I never commented on anything, so if there Was just as much discussion, I wasn't around to see it.)

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Lol. I'm more curious about the reactions of people towards Flower Boy Ramyun Shop! I loved that drama and the otp, read the recaps but not the comments so....

The lead was 18/19 (don't remember) from the beginning of the drama and still in high school in the last episode where they did a time skip right at the end when he left for the army. However, I never really heard about any drama in regards to the age gap or the fact that he was in high school the whole time. Haha. Was there?

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I didn't start engaging in the drama community (haha, that sounds funny) until recently with King and Fated, so I don't know if there was any 'drama' surrounding it, but I'm Sure there was. Seeing as it was a noona romance with an 18 year old and a teacher.

I loved that drama while it was airing (even though I also found it frustrating for various reasons), but I've forgotten almost everything about it now. I guess that says a lot about my opinion of it, lol.

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I think there were some of the same arguments with IHYV. Not sure that Ramyun Shop had it to such an extent but I remember a few people talking about the drama being problematical because the relationship was between a teacher and a student at the same high school.

I really think that the modern world has gotten a lot more priggish about romantic relationships as it has gotten a lot more enlightened about them.

Back in the day, Americans might not have considered age-inappropriate (so-called) relationships as the greatest thing but they didn't get so bent out of shape in a judgmental manner...and they probably din't freak out about one of the lovers being 18 year olds and dating whoever. Because those were different times.

Eighteen year olds were considered young adults. Seeing a noona romance, folks back then might have felt the savvy teenager was "using" the old maid, not the other way around. Or they would have felt the older woman had money and was using it to win the younger guy over. Or if it was an older man and a younger girl, they would have thought the young girl had gotten a responsible guy. There are so many movies from that time with young girls falling for older "responsible" men. Folks might have questioned those age-inappropriate relationships (so-called) but they wouldn't have gotten so judgmental about it.

Of course, now we know about the sexual games and molestation issues. But that doesn't mean we have to go all out judgmental and squicked out.

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Oh yes. I forgot about the teacher-student relationship thing they had going on in the beginning of FBRS. Fortunately for me, I have never had problems with those kind of "forbidden" relationships in the fictional world. In fact, I'm a huge fan of teacher-student relationships in Japanese mangas/animes/dramas (they love that kind of thing!)

Even when I younger, I wasn't really uncomfortable with any kind of relationships that were/are considered inappropriate in the real world. Well, except things like cheating, affairs. etc. That's probably just because I'm someone who likes commitment in a relationship though.
I'm more likely to break up with someone for cheating on me than for lying to me about themselves. Lol.

Anyway.
I did notice that IHYV had similar discussions about the high school/adult relationship but it was never this bad, I believe? Then again, I've never been in touch with fellow viewers of dramas till this drama so I have no idea.

But I agree. The modern world has become a lot more hypocritical and judgmental about everything and anything (not just relationships). I only hope the future will not be this bleak.

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Completely agree. In Israel, where I live 18 year old is an adult. He/she can drink alcohol, marry, be conscripted in the army and so on. I remember myself at this age and I have absolutely no qualms about someone at this age having a relationship with someone ten years older, especially as I think they are on the same maturity level ;)
Curiously though I think SY changed her approach. At the end of this episode she says 'I should stay next to you and watch you...you cant even take care of yourself'
Which is a stark contrast of her behaviour when they were ice skating and she was so happy of MS taking care of her...

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YEAH.

Taking care of each other! FINALLY.
OTP-equality.
Best description ever.

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I am hoping you're right. She scared me switching to full noona-mode

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from the preview, it looks like she'll scare Min Suk as well.

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She fails so miserably at it, hehe. She can't really resist him but hey, who could right?

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Lol. Episode 13 was a ball.

Won't spoil anything but man, those two are the cutest pair ever. Secondly, I'm loving how much growth Yoo Ah is showing. Unlike Jin Woo's sudden personality change, her growth is definitely more realistic and I'm so proud of her! *weeps happily in the background*

PS: Whose seen the episode 14 preview? Please tell me Jin Woo isn't going back into assholery mode again. Please?

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So. Freakin. Excited.

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yea. he looks revolting again, and that's because he's a bipolar son-of-a-b*** no offense
to his long-suffering mom.

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OH MY GOSH!!!!! OH MY GOSH!!!!! OH MY GOSH!!!!! OH MY GOSH!!!!! OH MY GOSH!!!!! THAT IS ALL I CAN THINK OF TO SAY RIGHT NOW!!!!! OH MY GOSH!!!!!

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Hoho! Be excited! It's a wonderful episode with cute antics, character growth and more crucial plot info! Woohoo! Also, Jin Woo is a sly weasel. Lol!

@wildfly Let's hope he doesn't do what I think he does from the preview. Be misleading preview. Be misleading or else, I'm going to shove Jin Woo off a building a few times till he learns his lesson.

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Oh my Gosh!!!!! Why oh why can't i learn Hangul faster? Anticipating wonderfulness!

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That...

was Worth the excitement.

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OH MY GOD I JUST WATCHED IT AND IT IS THE BEST THING IN THE WORLD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD HOW CAN ONE HOUR OF TELEVISION MAKE ME FEEL SO MANY THINGS HOW ARE SOO YOUNG AND MIN SOEK SO FREAKING PERFECT WHY AREN'T THEY ON MY SCREEN ALL OF THE TIME OH. MY. GOD.

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I KNOW!!! I KNOW!!! I KNOW!!! I KNOW!!!

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We still have episode 14 coming our way, guys! I CANNOT WAIT.

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Ep 13. OMG, THE CUTE!!!

Can't wait for Ep 14 - even if Jin-woo does go into dark murky waters. After all, that's what a one-episode extension is for, right? :P

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So glad that Duk-hwan and Tae-seok and Yoo-ah all got their moments to shine this episode!! They really are more than supporting characters - they're simply his FAMILY. That scene in the rain ... omg, I felt like bawling too.

Hockey was the life they all shared together - the training hell, the matches, everything in between - Duk-hwan, Tae-seok and Min-seok went through it all together, and Yoo-ah was there for support every step of the way.

For Min-seok, losing hockey means losing all that, and losing his potential livelihood on top of all that. It's such a cruel blow. His biological dad's last words were about him not being as smart as Hyung - that's gotta haunt him too. Hyung better come back with a darn good excuse, or else.

I like the idea that Hyung's investigating his father's death, and that President Yoo's deeply involved. Which means that Jin-woo's going to have more struggles against himself - whether or not to blow Min-seok's cover (when he eventually finds out), when he has his ultimate showdown with his father (just more Jin-woo screen time generally - you get my drift!) - but I hope his better side wins out!

It looks like the President

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Oh dear, thought I finished that sentence! - at any rate, I think I meant to say that President Yoo's probably involved in the father's death, or at least its cover-up, so Jin-woo has a rocky road ahead.

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And Soo Young kinda sorta remembers "Dad" but can't place his face. She probably remembers him from when he used to chauffeur her dad. When Jin Woo said he thought he'd seen Soo Young, I wondered if he'd seen her in the accident but then I remembered that she and her mom and sis had been at home when they heard the dad had an accident in Seoul. I wonder if Jin Woo wil remember "Dad" as well. If he were to see Min Suk and the adoptive Dad together... major stress. Am just wondering about the two car accidents. Min Suk's Dad car ...which ended up in the lake. Soo Young's Dad's car which seemed to be a proper accident. The accident with the broken red tail-light which made Jin Woo so nervous. Was Jin Woo's Mom involved? Or was it the president? Ah, complications! And all the little dribbling in of clues! Love it.

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Much appreciation to the writers of HSKOS for writing Lee Min-Seok as an athletic and sports-oriented high school student. Lovely to see that Min-Seok's sport of choice was Ice Hockey.

Ice hockey is a full-contact high-speed sport full of finesse requiring the unique combination of speed, power, and teamwork.

The chance of sustaining a sports injury depends on many variables. Nice job by the director (showcasing and incorporating Min-Seok's style of play) and the writers (laying the foundation/planting the seeds with Min-Seok's pre-existing injuries and susceptibility to additional injuries).

All types of sports have a potential for injury, whether from the trauma of contact with other players or from overuse or misuse of a body part. However, the highest rates of sport injuries occur in sports that involve contact and collisions.

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Finally they've released Ciel's Butterfly, song played during first kiss: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTUVK3bcgXA

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Just Saturday, I had a conversation about the inappropriateness of a 28 year old hanging out with an 18 year old. It was COMPLETELY unrelated to this show and the conversation was not instigated by me. In my amusement at that bit of conversational fate, all I could think of was, "If this were the internet, people would argue about this, but in real life not one person at this table full of people is arguing in favor of a 28 year old with an 18 year old." Which I think tells the truth of what people really think.
Having said that, I love this show and I have no plans to judge fictional characters. Mostly I'm just super curious as to how they plan to work it out.

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I don't have any problem with a 28 year old hanging out with an 18 year old. (I'm assuming you mean in a friendship sort of way.) What I Do have a problem with is a 28 year old who Only hangs out with 18 year olds. That raises a Number of red flags.

I think it's Awesome when people of different ages can hang out and be friends and learn from each other. They might not necessarily be able to engage in all of the same activities together, but there are Plenty of things 18 year olds And 28 year olds can do together that wouldn't be inappropriate.

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EXACTLY Re: ONLY HANGING OUT.

"Hanging out" implies someone with no life....someone who cannot deal with folks his own age. I'd hate to have such a person near youngsters i know.

Jin Woo, for instance, doesn't hang out with anyone: I'd keep him away from both male and females who are younger. He doesn't have any friends at work. Why should he be trusted?

But a friendship between folks of different ages is okay with me...

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Hmm. I used to hang out with my brother's friends a lot when i was younger and we have an 8 years age gap. I still keep in touch with some of his friends who are older than me so... It happens? I didn't date any of them though but that's not because of the age difference. They were never my type, haha.

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For the most part, I wouldn't like anyone of any age or sex hanging out with someone who is not age-appropriate. Your comment is ambiguous though. Which makes me wonder about it. For all i know, the discussion with your friends was about folks of the same sex...an 18 year old boy hanging out with a 28 year old man. Or a 28 year old man with an 18nyear old girl. So i can't assume you're relaying the conversation truthfully. But even if the conversation was specifically about a 28 year old woman and an 18 year old boy, I'm not sure why we should accept that your friends are representative of normal american thinking. For all I know, this might have been a church group. Or not. And generally from my experiernce, when a group of people sit around discussing other people, it's an invitation to gossip and to judge the unseen folks in the relationship. So.... your Saturday conversation which you're using as some kind of test case/proof just seems suspicious to me.

Plain and simple, the story is a story about a forbidden risky love. That's all it is. Just as stories about adultery are stories about fobidden loves.

This is a genre which is popular in Korea, and I can kind of see why. Korea is very age-hierarchical. Artists of all ages have loved challenging society through their art. Sometimes you have to push the story to the extreme limits in order to affect society. So there have been great movies featuring interracial love, gay love, adulterous love, inter-caste love. One of the greatest ways to challenge or enlighten a culture is through romance stories. Whether it's stories like A Patch of Blue or West Side Story or even Pocahontas, there will always be folks who say a story is only supposed to entertain, folks who get offended by a writer for daring to attempt to make them think.

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This show just gets better and better. Just when I thought that kiss in ep 10 couldn't be topped, we get the hug at the end of ep. 12. It was indescribably sweet and so meaningful.

Days after watching #12, I thought of Soo Young's dream about MinSuk bunjee jumping with no rope. If this episode didn't epitomize that foretelling...

What's so interesting about MinSuk's character is he is at an age where people expect him to be serious (read grown up) but when he makes a serious decision, he's not taken seriously. All of a sudden, he's too young or immature to know what he's doing. But do any of us ever really know? We're all just living on a wing and prayer, hoping that what we chose to do was best.
Could he use more life experience, sure and maybe. He's definitely getting a crash course now. The title doesn't have King of Savvy in it for nothing so we know in the end our hero will be okay. It'll be interesting to see how his and all the other characters develop from here on out. I think that's where this show's magic lies. You never really know what to expect.

Kudos, writer(s) Director(s) of HSKoS!!

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Banana boat!

I keep going to the soompi forum and looking at all of the screencaps from the next episode spoiling it for myself, because I just cannot wait for kdrama to have the next episode up. I've gotta stop doing that.

I will be strong. I will be strong. I will be strong.

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The scene where the three friends were crying under the rain was really touching. They made me cry with them because, of course, it was sad but it also was beautiful to witness such a proof of friendship... those guys are really loyals...

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In the process of reading comment 30 and I finally realize I have something to say. Nah it's not about the age gap, although the above discussions seem very heated and interestingly argumentative.

To out the hypocrite in me, Despite being a full-on fan of the OTP and SIG in particular, I can never see myself going out with a high-school kid. My age and my line of work has taught me to choose a particular set of so-called morals which include not dating immature men and an eternal vocation to nurture eighteen year-olds than to desire them. Cringe. Okay. I get where that cringe is coming from most of you. I understand you people and I sure don't want to call you narrow-minded. Perhaps "loyal to their morals and preference" is more apt.

However, that doesn't discount the fact that we have a well-crafted drama in our hands and I cannot, for the love of fiction and the idea of pure love, ever let the rigidity of my preferences affect my appreciation for a well put-together piece of work. I've always believed that for most genres, comedy is the hardest to direct and even moreso for achieving it with poignancy. Romance is highly dependent on chemistry, but comedy requires sheer talent for timing and a bucket load of wits. Capturing it in film makes that damn feat perhaps three times more difficult. This is precisely why I love this drama----because it tugs in my heart, and I laugh with the characters and cry with the characters too. Reply 1997 was heart-wrenching and poignant with a comic beat so authentic it just had to fall on my collection rack. High School King comes with a different flavor from Reply 1997 being so unbelievably quirky and consistently dynamic, yet it tugs my heart in nearly the same way. The difference between both was that in the Reply 97, the romance was much less the focus of the story. What I loved about the drama were the episodes it shed on its side characters. Reply 1997 was about an era in people's lives and it just so happened a pretty crazy sexy adorable couple was in it. HSKoS takes a different route being outright frank about being a romance drama---meaning it fully intends to focus on the OTP. This is where the cringe is brewing because people who seem to come to watch a drama for romance have this tendency to place the premises of the drama in the real world, perhaps assuming what it must be like to be in the same situation and perhaps maybe inadvertently assuming that if they were in the shoes if the characters, they'd never do such. We inadvertently put ourselves into these characters entirely forgetting that they are not who we are and that for the love of fiction, they have their own world with their own personalities with their own context with their own circumstances. Although we can relate to the drama enough so much to love it, the fact is that the story is supposed to be an entity of its own separate from our reality.

It's a great influence for a drama to make a viewer reflect on...

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Episode 13 is on kdrama.

My body is ready.

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I CAN'T EVEN WITH THIS SHOW.

HOW IS IT SO GOOD.

OMG.

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I KNOW!!!

IT'S SO GOOD!!!

HOW DID WE LIVE BEFORE THIS DRAMA?!?!?!

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WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE AFTER THE LAST EPISODE + SPECIAL.

We won't have our weekly drug anymore.
Withdrawal symptoms...

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I AM DYING RIGHT NOWWWWW

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I AM ALREADY DEAD. I AM NOW A ZOMBIE. A ZOMBIE WHO LOVES KING OF HIGH SCHOOL.

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A ZOMBIE OF LOVE AND UNICORNS AND RAINBOWS

AND HOCKEY PUCKS

AND AIR KISSES THROUGH OFFICE WINDOWS

AND POPCORN

AND FLIRTING

AND SEXUAL TENSION

AND UNCONDITIONAL LOVE AND SUPPORT

AND FACING OUR FEARS SO THAT WE CAN INSPIRE THOSE AROUND US TO GROW

AND AND AND

BRAAAIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNSSSSSSSS

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Gosh. We'd all be such lovable zombies, for once.

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DON'T DIE BEFORE WE GET TO THE ENDING, REARWINDOW!

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I AM DOING MY BEST TO HOLD ON BUT I MAY NEED ANOTHER DOSE OF CUTENESS TO RESUSCITATE ME.

EPISODE 14, COME TO MEEEEEE

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Is it possible to frame one's love for a drama and put it on display?!! gahhhhhh...

I LOVE this show SOOOOOO much!! ❤❤❤

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GUYS GUYS. Spoilers for Episode 15 onwards?

Double the trouble is finally here. YA KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LOOKING SEXAY WITH GLASSES TOO.

*faints dramatically*

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omigoshhhhh!! Am drooling in anticipation already!!!!

btw, saw the spoilery stills for E14... hellowwwww bed scene!! I mean WHO can resist uri Min-seokieeeee?!! ^^

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HA! THAT BED SCENE.
Even men can't resist him. You know? ;DDD
HEHEHE.

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PS: Episode 14...

BROMANCE. I SHIP THE BROMANCEEEEEEE.

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I love you'll for those great comments!!

Much love for High School King of SAVVVVVYYYYY! ❤ ❤ ❤

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... CONT'D

It's a great influence for a drama to make a viewer reflect on his/her own circumstances, reinstating its effectiveness and essentially its success as a piece of fiction that steals our hearts. But I came to this drama without the intention of becoming Soo Young or of being Soo Young and so I can appreciate it for what it is despit having a set of morals that wouldn't do what she did otherwise. If they created Soo Young to be like me, that drama would have turned into angst in a giffy.

I have stated over and over again how the whole the drama is the whole piece of the cake and that it must not be taken only for a part of it as people would with the age gap. We cannot separate the egg from the cake and focus only on the egg because otherwise, we'd have no cake. Perhaps we simply have an exotic flavor to this cake and not all can go ahead and eat it. I for one, just love it.

Now I'm getting my self a slice of cake.

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Sorry. I'm afraid the cake is gone.

Cause I ate it all.

Seriously though, I love everything you've said.

I also find it hilarious that my comment is in-between your two comments, lol.

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Hahaha. Talk about timing. BTW, episode 13!!!!!!! Favorite episode yet!!!

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Episode 13!!! Best episode!!! Until episode 14. And 15. And 16. And 17. And 18.

All the episodes!!! Best episodes!!!

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Thanks purplecow for the recap! Now that episode13 is now out, I'm ready to watch it. But i wanna say a couple of things first (even if meant delaying watching)..

That last scene was beautifully done. Sooyoung's confession is so real and shoots straight to my heart. What I really appreciated the most about it are the touches Seo In guk added - the heavy breathing as he aproached SY and those lovely falling tears. So much to say that it added a whole layer of believability to his character, that no doubt this boy is indeed inlove... sooo good!

And just because I can't bear the thought of waiting for whole for episode 13, I marathoned AM1997 last week which I watched in entirety for the first time and man, I am smitten with SIG. A great actor, so natural and so believable, so charming and so passionate in his craft. Now, I had just officially exposed myself as his fan. He joins Lee Seung Gi as my favorite actor - both underrated but boasting so much potential.

There, I have said it all. Off to watch now!

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From interview with Yi YeolEum (Jung Yooa, sister role)-
The last scene was Yooa watching MinSuk running around the school ground in pain in the rain. She changed her mind watching him like that because she finally realized and admitted MinSuk was really in pain.

After filming that scene, I was actually very upset. InGook Oppa must have noticed my feeling, so he held me and consoled me, so I cried for a long time. So, Yooa in the scene did not cry, but I cried after the filming.

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Awwww TT :( That was so sweet of In Guk! Thank you for sharing! Do you have a copy of the article? :)

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aww!! Can SIG get any sweeter?! sheeeshhhh...

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Awww ): You're such a sweetheart, In Guk.

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BTW I laughed big when SPAM showed up as sponsor in the ending credit. Ad says 'A piece of SPAM for warm rice'. lol

This drama is from cartoon. It is supposed to be outrageous and not realistic (That is why Yi HaNa is so great). I don't understand why people are having issues with age thing here, considering.

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The calm before the storm since they addressed the age issue in episode 13. Can't wait for the recap.

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Erm.. Why is everyone commenting on the age gap but not on how crazy it is that a high schooler has been posing as a director for an MNC for the past 13 eps and getting away with it? I got over the age gap 2 eps ago and I STILL can't get over the fact that nobody in the company realises their director lee does not do any work.. :/

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Bwahahahahaha! I know, right?!

Why is no one commenting on the fact that the great father mystery has been kind of overshadowed and pushed to the side in favor of the romance? Or how about the fact that he's been skipping school for HOW LONG and no one at his school has even NOTICED?!?!?!

It's not that I'm complaining about any of this, because I LOVE the romance, and I'm perfectly okay with us not focusing too much on everything else, but you would think more people would have brought all of this up by now.

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Also, WHERE is his brother?!! I keep coming up with different scenerios that would force him to ask his teenage brother to pretend to be him. I'm leaning towards kidnapping or jail but his access to a phone is throwing me off lol

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It's gotta be revenge. That's the only logical explanation. Hyung clearly blames the president for his father's death. The president most likely severely mistreated Min Seok and Hyung's father which, combined with their father's failure in whatever venture he was taking part in (it's been so long since the drama really addressed this part of the plot that I've forgotten just what exactly happened), probably drove him to suicide.

But why Min Seok's hyung would need him to Pretend to be his hyung is a little odd. I have a feeling we won't be getting a real satisfactory reason behind it, but oh well. I'm here for the romance anyway, lol.

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LOL. He's probably somewhere in the world... being suave and keeping track of his brother from lonely hotel suites.*wink wink*

With all seriousness though, we'll probably find out the truth about his hyung next week? Haha.

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Thank God Show.. you hinted to pair Yoo Ah with MS's friend not JW. Please continue this path, don't paired YA with JW.

Jeezz... I'm againts the romance in this show. But honestly, I'm sick with the comments about age gap. Why people don't let it go like me? If you don't like it, don't watch it. I don't like it either, I drop the drama after episode 7 and what I did was read the recap and searching about JW scene, if only a little scene. I skipped the episode.

It's already 13 episode, why must the age gap thing still be a problem? The writer already decided to pair the main leads, whatever you hate it or againts it, they still will be together.

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Yay! So I loved the ending scene. Oh the emoting that was going on. Love love love.

My favorite scene was when Team Leader Kim and Min-seok's friends met and interacted outside. Hilarious! Funniest scene in the whole episode!

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