Hwarang: Episode 14
by LollyPip
Romance takes a back-burner as political tension grows between Silla and Baekje, and the Hwarang find themselves risking an international incident. Unrest is growing, and it seems as though something’s gotta give, and soon. But is Ji-dwi ready to step forward and take his rightful place, or does he still have a lot to learn before he’s ready to take on the responsibilities that come with being king?
EPISODE 14 RECAP
Sun-woo and Ah Ro hug after reaffirming their feelings, but they’re interrupted by a mob of angry-looking villagers carrying torches. Sun-woo sends Ah Ro inside to warn the princess as Su-ho and Ban-ryu rush out to back him up.
They figure out that the people are here for the gifts they were taking to the Baekje crown prince, but when they move to protect the wagon containing the gifts, the people shift and surround them. Su-ho draws his sword to attack, but suddenly Ji-dwi leaps in front of him and knocks his sword away.
He points out that the people don’t even have weapons, and the other boys look closer and see that he’s correct. The villagers back away and disperse, and Su-ho punches Ji-dwi hard in the face. He warns that the queen regent or the king had better not suffer for this. Ji-dwi asks if Su-ho is standing up for the incompetent, fearful king, and Sun-woo has to hold Su-ho back from hitting Ji-dwi again.
The villagers have taken every last peace offering, but Sun-woo says that they’re not professional thieves, just border farmers who have grown desperate due to being raided by Baekje. Princess Sookmyung is furious, and though Su-ho offers to hunt the gifts down, Sun-woo says they’ve probably all been sold off by now. Su-ho blames Ji-dwi, and storms off.
Once they’re alone, Sun-woo asks Ji-dwi why he stopped them to save peasants that have nothing to do with him. Ji-dwi reminds him that Sun-woo said it himself — they were only farmers, and as far as he’s concerned, there isn’t a subject in Silla who should die without good reason.
Princess Sookmyung calls her people together and says that they won’t be returning to the capital. Su-ho disagrees, since they not only lost the peace gifts, but their food as well. But the princess points out that it’s the king’s birthday in three days, and Baekje’s Crown Prince Chang may use that day as an excuse to attack Silla.
Ji-gong arrives at the palace in response to Queen Regent Jiso’s summons, but this time, he informs her that he can no longer be her doctor. He says that he’s leaving to treat a plague that’s sweeping the low-born village, and the queen regent is insulted that he’s choosing to treat low-borns over her.
Ji-gong tells her to just let the palace doctor treat her, even when she says she doesn’t trust anyone but him. When she threatens to make it an order, Ji-gong asks if she’ll kill him if he refuses. He makes it clear that he never wants to see her again, and he ignores her tears as well as her plea that he’s all she has.
He says that he’s not leaving her, because he never came back to her in the first place. He adds that once, he worried that his world would come crashing down at one word from her, but now he looks at her and just feels cold.
The princess and her people continue on their way, and they stop by a river to camp for the night. Sun-woo sends Ban-ryu and Su-ho to collect firewood, then asks one of the soldiers to find them some food. Ban-ryu objects to Sun-woo taking charge, but Su-ho tells him to shush.
Meanwhile, Ah Ro has her own idea, so she sneaks off and finds some locals. She tells them one of her racy stories (HAHA, she’s riffing Descended From the Sun‘s “apologize or confess” speech), and she even jokes that her story’s beautiful heroine looks exactly like her.
At first, Ban-ryu watches while Su-ho picks up all the firewood, but when Su-ho starts to struggle, he affably jumps in to help. As they cross the river, Ban-ryu loses his footing and falls in, and Su-ho gets a big kick out of seeing him soaking wet. He pushes Ban-ryu back in when he tries to climb out, and soon it’s an all-out war as they play in the river like children.
Later, Su-ho watches Ban-ryu lovingly check on his pouch from Soo-yeon that contains a braid of her hair. He says casually that the pouch looks familiar, then asks Ban-ryu, “By any chance, does Soo-yeon like you?”
Ban-ryu doesn’t answer, and Su-ho tells Ban-ryu not to accept her feelings. He thinks that he and Ban-ryu are finally becoming friends, and Ban-ryu getting involved with Soo-yeon would be awkward.
The soldier reports back to Sun-soo that he couldn’t find anything to eat, but just when they resign themselves to going hungry, Ah Ro turns up with a huge basket bursting with food. Ha, apparently the locals paid her for her stories with dinner.
She takes some to Princess Sookmyung, who admits that she tried to kill Ah Ro. She asks why Ah Ro is being caring, and Ah Ro replies that no matter how much she hates Sookmyung, she still has to take care of her as her doctor.
Ah Ro spends the evening at one of the fires with a few of the locals and Sookmyung’s female bodyguard. The bodyguard is impressed when Ah Ro fixes one man’s stiff neck with acupuncture, and from the next fire over, Ji-dwi tells Sun-woo that his “sister” could survive anywhere.
He wonders to himself if that’s why he likes her, and Sun-woo shoots him a dirty look. He tells Ji-dwi that he’s hanging onto his crush for too long, but Ji-dwi just says that he’s jealous that Ah Ro is Sun-woo’s sister, and that he feels bad for liking her because she’s his sister.
Sun-woo asks why he likes Ah Ro, and Ji-dwi sighs that she’s his only person in the world, and he needs her. Sun-woo asks if that’s why Ji-dwi came on this trip, and Ji-dwi replies, “I told you I was desperate.”
Sun-woo accepts that answer, but tells Ji-dwi that Ah Ro is everything to him. He says it’s not because he needs her, but that he’s literally alive because of her.
Ah Ro asks the princess why she brought her to Baekje, guessing that it’s because Sookmyung wanted Sun-woo to volunteer. Sookmyung says it’s none of her business, so Ah Ro asks what the princess remembers of her brother, and tells her that if she thinks Sun-woo is her brother, she’s mistaken.
Sookmyung says that’s not important, though she does admit to bringing Ah Ro along as bait to lure Sun-woo. But all she will say is that she wants to keep him close.
Ji-dwi asks Sun-woo, a little enviously, if he was born with the talent to lead people. He wonders if he has the same talent, then asks Sun-woo what he would do to change Silla if he were king, when simple farmers are becoming robbers just to eat. Sun-woo asks why Ji-dwi worries about such things if he’s not the king as he claims.
Back at the Hwarang grounds, Joo-ki finds Hwa-gong fishing in the pond, and they note that the place feels strangely empty. Joo-ki offers Hwa-gong his favorite scorched rice treat, but Hwa-gong tosses it in the pond and goes for a drink instead.
Yeo-wool and Han-sung also feel unsettled, and Han-sung whines pitifully over Sun-woo being gone. Yeo-wool asks if he likes Sun-woo that much and gets an enthusiastic yes, and when he asks what Han-sung thinks of him, Han-sung wipes a booger on his leg. Ewww.
Dan-se finds Pa Oh sniffling by the riverside, and says that Pa Oh can think of him as a hyung and tell him what’s wrong. HA. He gives Pa Oh an awkward little bro-hug, and Kang Sung approaches to snark that they must be crying over their Hwarang members in advance.
Kang Sung implies that the Hwarang in the delegation crew won’t be coming back, and Pa Oh lifts him off his feet by the collar. He orders Kang Sung to tell him what he means by that, and Kang Sung snarls that Minister Park won’t let the delegation come home alive. Pa Oh pitches him into the river.
Dan-se and Han-sung’s grandfather pays a visit to the Hwarang, where he’s told that Han-sung has trouble keeping up with the others. Grandfather blames Dan-se for not behaving as Han-sung’s servant and for not helping him more. He whips Dan-se several times, and Han-sung can only watch helplessly as Dan-se is ordered to train him better. Han-sung cries as he supports his hyung afterward, and Dan-se, bless his heart, only says that Grandfather’s whipping arm has gotten weaker with age so as not to make Han-sung feel bad.
The crooked gambler Doo-woo delivers a cart to Minister Park, full of gifts for the Baekje crown prince. Minister Park instructs Doo-woo to make sure the gifts get to the crown prince before the king’s birthday. Ho Gong worries about Ban-ryu, but Minister Park thinks he’ll be successful in the task they gave him.
We’re taken to Crown Prince Chang’s palace, where he blandly asks about the most recent Silla citizen arrested for crossing the border. The jails are so full of these “criminals” that a temporary jail has been built just for them, and the crown prince wonders if it’s time to declare war. His adviser says that the Silla peace delegation will arrive soon, but Crown Prince Chang doesn’t seem open to discussing peace.
The delegation finally arrives at the palace, just as Crown Prince Chang is eating a meal. He completely ignores them as they stand there waiting, and Su-ho nearly loses his temper. Ji-dwi holds him back, and the princess diplomatically says that they’ll wait until the crown prince finishes eating.
He takes his sweet time, and only beckons the princess closer once he’s completely finished. He asks what gift she brought to convince him to make peace, and Sookmyung asks for a private meeting.
Once they’re alone, Sookmyung gives Crown Prince Chang a small golden statue of Buddha, presumably all she was able to retain after the robbery. He’s not impressed with the tiny gift, so the princess says it’s a symbol, not a tribute. She brings up the strained relationship between Silla and Baekje, and reminds the crown prince that if they break their alliance, it puts them both in danger of being conquered by Goguryeo.
The crown prince leans over Princess Sookmyung and asks how old she is. He lecherously asks if she knows that countries usually solidify alliances through marriage, and the princess looks a bit ill, though the crown prince does say that he has enough wives already.
As the Hwarang wait impatiently, Ah Ro kills time outside the palace by patching up a little urchin boy’s skinned knee. She asks if he comes from Silla and he nods, before pulling a hairpin from his shirt and sticking it in her hair. Ah Ro gives it back, wondering where he got such a fancy item. The boy puts it in her hair again, so she says she’ll wear it for a minute then return it.
Suddenly a guard grabs the boy, accusing him of selling stolen items. The guard spots the hairpin Ah Ro is still wearing and assumes she’s in league with the boy, so the both of them are arrested and tossed in the temporary jail for Silla prisoners.
The crown prince laughs at Princess Sookmyung, wondering if she’s that naïve, or a fool. He wonders why Silla would send its princess (implying that they’d send her for marriage), and she says that she can bring more gifts later if he’ll promise not to declare war.
He already knows that she was robbed of the first gifts, and tells her that they captured the thieves who were selling those items on Baekje land. He informs Sookmyung that he has the gifts already, and says that on the king’s birthday, he intends to give Silla a gift in return — the gift of the expansion of Baekje territory.
Inside the palace grounds, Sun-woo thinks he hears Ah Ro crying out for help. Princess Sookmyung’s bodyguard runs in to tell them what’s happening, and Sun-woo, Ji-dwi, and Su-ho rush out to Ah Ro’s rescue while Ban-ryu stays behind. He was instructed by Minister Park to give the crown prince a letter, and he’s looking very conflicted.
The three Hwarang rush to the temporary jail and begin fighting with the guards, using their sword scabbards as weapons. They put up a good fight, but they’re outnumbered and soon surrounded. Ji-dwi stops Su-ho from drawing his sword, since it would be interpreted as a declaration of war.
Ban-ryu suddenly comes blazing in and joins them, and the four Hwarang present a united front when the guards attack again. But it’s the guards who draw their swords first, and soon all four find themselves with blades at their throats.
The crown prince’s adviser reports the situation to the prince, and when he asks what they should do, the crown prince gets a nasty gleam in his eye. The boys are taken to the jail, and as they’re being led away, Ban-ryu spots gambler Doo-woo smirking at them from a short distance away.
Looking around the jail, Ah Ro realizes that most of the people she’s locked up with are sick, so she pulls a small bottle of medicine from her skirts. She offers to treat whoever she can, but they are in such a state of despair that they ignore her.
Gambler Doo-woo presents Minister Park’s gift for the crown prince to his adviser, a chest full of gold ingots, and requests an audience with the crown prince in return.
Hwi-kyung limps right into Queen Regent Jiso’s chambers without permission, and greets the shocked queen regent with a cheerful smile. He asks if she’s not going to ask her brother to have a seat, and she does, reluctantly.
Hwi-kyung’s expression goes sharp as he notes that his sister looks awfully comfortable for someone who chased her son from his throne and sent her daughter into a deadly situation. His eyes turn positively deadly as he growls that it’s no surprise, since she also framed her only companion and violently got rid of him.
The queen regent asks what Hwi-kyung wants, and he tells her that he heard she hid the king in Hwarang. He repeats the rumor that Sun-woo is the hidden king, and he tells her that if Sun-woo returns from Baekje safely, that he’ll help her abdicate. The queen regent claims that she has no idea what he’s talking about.
When presented with Minister Park’s gold ingots, Crown Prince Chang asks what Doo-woo wants. Doo-woo says that he’ll be contacted separately with Minister Park’s request, then nearly loses his head for daring to look up at the crown prince. Doo-woo and his minion scuttle out, and the crown prince pulls the letter from his pocket that Ban-ryu has already managed to deliver.
Now Crown Prince Chang reads the letter, which informs him that one of the Hwarang is the faceless king of Silla. It gives him permission to do whatever he wants to that king, and the crown prince wonders if this means Minister Park wants the king killed. He decides that this is a better plan than going against the princess.
Princess Sookmyung visits the Hwarang in their jail cell, angry that they got themselves locked up for a half-blood doctor just when she needs them the most. Sun-woo asks if she thinks that fighting for their people is unfair and says that if she also fought for justice, they wouldn’t have to be in situations like this ever again.
He reminds her that she came here for Silla, and tells her not to be scared or blame others, and to speak up. Ji-dwi stays silent while Sun-woo speaks, but he carefully absorbs every word.
Sookmyung takes Sun-woo’s words to heart, and goes back to the crown prince to yell at him for killing Silla people just for farming near the borders. He calmly retorts that they were stealing his land, and she admits that was wrong, but she argues that this isn’t a reason for war, but diplomacy.
Crown Prince Chang brings up the idea of a political marriage again, but Princess Sookmyung says that she’s already betrothed. The crown prince asks if she’s marrying the faceless king, and reveals that he heard he’s one of her Hwarang. He muses that killing all four of them would free her up for marriage to him.
The princess turns as if to leave, but she suddenly grabs the adviser’s sword, whirls, and stabs it into the dais between the crown prince’s feet. She makes it crystal clear that there will be no marriage, nor will he be killing Silla’s king.
The crown prince has the Hwarang brought in front of him in the courtyard and announces his intent to discover which of them is the hidden king. Ah Ro and the Silla prisoners are bound and brought to the courtyard, and the crown prince orders the king to reveal himself or he’ll start killing peasants.
Hwi-kyung surprises Hwa-gong by unexpectedly sitting with him for a drink, and gets right to the point by asking if the king really is in Hwarang. Hwa-gong says that he wouldn’t know, and Hwi-kyung tells him how his father abandoned him to die when he became crippled.
But he didn’t die, and now he lives in hiding in the capital. He asks Hwa-gong if he thinks Jinheung is the answer to their current problem, or if a different king would be a better solution. He suggests choosing a king based on suitability rather than bloodlines, wondering if there could be a prince like that, that they don’t know about.
Hwa-gong says that the faceless king could very well be that king. He points out that he’s only against the regency because of the distrust between the queen regent and her son, but says that something could happen to force the issue. But his loyalty to the royal family itself is unquestioned, so he and Hwi-kyung are not on the same page there.
Back in Baekje, the crown prince orders several peasants brought before the Hwarang, and says that they will be beheaded if the king doesn’t step forward. Su-ho looks nervously at Sun-woo, who stands in stony silence, while Ji-dwi looks scared and conflicted.
The first group of peasants are killed, and their blood splatters on the four Hwarang as Ji-dwi trembles with indecision. Ah Ro is brought forward with the next group of peasants to be killed, and still, Ji-dwi does nothing. Sun-woo starts to look frantic, and Ji-dwi closes his eyes.
But then he opens them and we see resolve on his face as he starts to step forward. But before he can say anything, Sun-woo declares loudly that he is the king. He walks forward, looks the crown prince directly in the eyes, and roars, “I am the king of Silla!”
COMMENTS
I’ll say more about my feelings on Sun-woo’s claiming to be the king later, but aside from that, I was glad to see him stepping up as a leader more in this episode. As I’d previously noted, he hasn’t really done much since joining the Hwarang, so watching him begin to lead the others was a nice change. He’s always been a natural leader who just chose not to lead, but now they’re in a strange land without the protection of their familial and political standing, and they need someone to take charge. Ji-dwi is growing a lot, but he’s still very insecure about his status as king and he’s not ready to be a leader, not yet (particularly when we see how long he hesitated in stepping forward as the Silla king). But Sun-woo is way past ready to lead, so it makes sense that everyone would look to him during this diplomatic expedition.
I was also very proud of Su-ho in this episode. He hasn’t had much character growth, though he’s still incredibly fun to watch, and I love how he sees everything as a source of entertainment. But I also think it’s great that he’s grown willing to be open with Ban-ryu and wants to be friends with him. I expected him to guess that Soo-yeon likes Ban-ryu after her crying fit the last time they had a day off, but I honestly thought he’d fly off the handle at Ban-ryu about it. Su-ho has many reasons to oppose his sister and Ban-ryu, both because of their longtime personal rivalry and their families’ opposing political views. But for his objection to the idea of Soo-yeon and Ban-ryu to be that he doesn’t want it to get in the way of their growing friendship? Well, my heart just melted when he said that.
But Ban-ryu, I’m just disappointed in him. He’s come such a long way in terms of showing that he can be a good person and that he doesn’t approve of what his adoptive father’s plans for him, yet he still delivered that letter to the crown prince. I suppose I can excuse him this time, since I wouldn’t want to be caught between two such powerful, deadly men, and would probably also do as I was told. But at some point he’s going to need to stand up and refuse to obey Minister Park’s evil edicts, or risk being consumed completely by Park’s ambition. If he’s smart, Ban-ryu will discover who the real king is and pledge his loyalty, to save himself from losing his head when Minister Park’s plans are discovered.
As for his claim to be the king, again I find myself wondering about Sun-woo’s motives. Obviously he did it in the hopes of saving Ah Ro, but I wonder if there was any element of wanting to save Ji-dwi as well. I think that Sun-woo fully believes that Ji-dwi is the king at this point — he just hasn’t acted on that belief because he wants certain proof before setting about his revenge. But it’s also true that he likes Ji-dwi on a personal level despite himself, and I can’t help but hope that he stepped forward at least in part because he wanted to protect his friend. And the truth is that Ji-dwi let those people die (I loved the image of their blood literally on his hands), so Sun-woo had no assurance that he would reveal himself before Ah Ro was killed as well. Either way, my wish is that Sun-woo’s leadership abilities will help him get his friends and the princess out of this mess, and that his lie will turn out to be the push that Ji-dwi needs to finally take that final step forward to becoming the king he wants to be.
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1 UmbrellaMan
February 1, 2017 at 11:19 AM
So who thought storming the prison was a good idea??? This seriously bothered me. Of course you are going to get resistance if you attack a prison with no warning! I don't blame the guards for arresting them. Attacking should have been their last resort AFTER TALKING to them. How hard would it have been to talk with the prison guard or whoever and ask for her release saying she is with the diplomatic party? If they say no, THEN you storm the castle. I was actually on the princess's side when she yelled at them for neglecting their duty. End rant.
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Kiara
February 1, 2017 at 11:29 AM
I like her alot. That's why she is their leader (wonhwa).
These boys can't seems to control their emotions and use their brains.
It's no wonder why Shilla was the only country in that era to be ruled by women.
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Kendi
February 1, 2017 at 1:52 PM
As much I'm all girlpower, I'd give more credit to the real live women and men during that era not being this ridiculous and stupid like in this drama.
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Kendi
February 1, 2017 at 3:47 PM
*real life
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crazyyo
February 1, 2017 at 11:32 AM
Bad writing I would say the writer should have come up with another scenario , this bothered me as well like come on it's not like they are killing her it was just a misunderstanding solve it by talking
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Link
February 1, 2017 at 11:52 AM
Agree. This was kind of lame and unbelievable.
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ar_arguably romantic
February 1, 2017 at 2:13 PM
ARGH!! I spent this episode mad at all the boys. They are seriously too dumb to be Hwarang. I don't think they quite understood what this mission was about. We're trying to prevent a war here! This is serious business! And the Crown Prince is more than happy to capture Silla. And I can't believe they just left the princess by herself. Look guys, split up. I love this show to pieces, but the writing frustrates me. i don't know why the writer had Aro be excluded from the party during the meet and greet.
This episode's heroes are the girls. Aro kept them fed and knew how to use people skills. Sookmyung held her own against the Crown Prince and stood up for her people.
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UmbrellaMan
February 1, 2017 at 3:18 PM
Exactly! If they were going to go off all cocksure, they didn't all need to leave. One or two of the boys could have seen about Ah Ro while the rest stayed. Where is Pa Oh when we need him to keep the boys in check?
This episode showed the biggest flaws in the writing. I wish the logic had been thought through more. Minor tweaks and the results could have been the same.
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ar_arguably romantic
February 1, 2017 at 3:56 PM
Like we're supposed to believe that Ban Ryu and Suho would rush to save Aro too. Puh-lease.
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Kiara
February 2, 2017 at 8:21 AM
Su-ho would follow Moo Myung like a puppy because he thinks he is the king.
sweetsour
February 2, 2017 at 12:05 PM
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Barbrey
February 1, 2017 at 5:19 PM
Agreed 100%
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2 redfox
February 1, 2017 at 11:24 AM
WEHRE IS MY FIREWORKS???
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redfox
February 1, 2017 at 11:26 AM
I mean WHERE
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crazyyo
February 1, 2017 at 11:30 AM
If you meann banryu x sooho , well sooho didn't exactly accept him but seeing how calm he is and his only worry is becoming awkward with banryu I would say don't expect fireworks :P I was hoping for fireworks as well though *sigh*
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redfox
February 1, 2017 at 11:52 AM
compared to how rash and bratty he was in the beginning, Su Ho is becoming so level-headed he can balance marbles.
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crazyyo
February 1, 2017 at 12:10 PM
hahhaha everyone's becoming mature , even banryu's not as nasty as he was before lol. But yeah I do miss protective suho :P
bbstl 🧹
February 1, 2017 at 12:02 PM
LOL I actually thought about that later and wondered what, you don't hope to get along with the man your sister marries? Then again, even his father doesn't expect much from SuHo in the brains department.
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crazyyo
February 1, 2017 at 12:12 PM
I think he is just worried that things will be too awkward between them if he dates his sister since they are basically friends now (and suho loves banryu lol) just like sooyeon doesn;t have any friend since suho dated all of them hahahah but hahahha yeah suho lacks brain :D
siesta
February 1, 2017 at 2:05 PM
out of all possible reasons on why they could not be together (helloooo family feud??), su ho only worries that things would become awkward for him and his buddy. not the brightest bulb in the box, isn't he? xD
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Min
February 1, 2017 at 4:08 PM
Well it is probably because he has dated all his sisters friends and so she ended up not having any friends when he broke up with them soooo, he is probably thinking if things go sour with banryu and his sister then he cant be friends with him.
gadis
February 1, 2017 at 4:28 PM
@MIN
Haha.. What a womanizer logic.
3 jellybine
February 1, 2017 at 11:32 AM
I really thought that this is a really good episode. How come it took a really long time to get here? I do like Hwarang being light and cute and funny but after watching this episode, I think I would have taken the drama seriously if it was this serious.
I guess I won't be able to see our Hwarang dancing if it were too serious.
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4 paramount
February 1, 2017 at 11:32 AM
i know that villains are never logical, but i really don't understand how the queen regent thinks that by constantly threatening his children, attempting to murder them, & sending them away to certain death - ji gong will be like "well ok, now that my children are out of the way, i'll be your loyal lover" wtf lady?? you really think that trying to control someone through threats is gonna make them love you?
obviously she's a shitty mom but i don't really doubt that she LOVES her children (even if she's insane) so i find it crazy that she expects loyalty with the way she treats other people's children...
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Link
February 1, 2017 at 11:50 AM
Yeah, the queen does not make sense. It is hard to feel much for her because of this. She is surprised at Ji Gong's feelings while never having any qualms about doing things to hurt him or doing things that hurt her own children.
They could have made her character more conflicted about her actions and it would make the story better. I still don't really get her motivations, so whenever she shows emotion or sadness I just feel blank because it seems like nonsense.
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bbstl 🧹
February 1, 2017 at 11:58 AM
Well, she's doing a bang-up job of not showing emotions at all for me because I don't have a clue that she feels anything. As far as I can tell she's simply playing the longest game of "stringing you all along" possible because her definition of when Sammaekjong will be ready to take the throne is exactly NEVER.
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paramount
February 1, 2017 at 11:59 AM
i definitely agree with you. i've never once felt pity when she was crying or angry over the king defying her orders because she is too illogical to identify or empathize with.
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siesta
February 1, 2017 at 2:07 PM
it's her eyebrows. they just could not move enough to convey all the deep emotions she should be portraying.
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Kiara
February 1, 2017 at 11:53 AM
She does love her children in her own way. It's hard to do the right thing as a mother and as queen regent with hardly any support from the ministers. The very people who are supposed to support her run the country are too busy trying to usurp the throne for themselves.
It's hard to be both, mother and queen. Sometimes she has to pick one or the other.
She knows what it's like to be a ruler. It's lonely at the top. She doesn't have the luxury to be with the person she loves or be a normal mother to her children.
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paramount
February 1, 2017 at 12:02 PM
honestly i'm not arguing that either. i also think she loves her children in her own way. what i don't get is why she can't comprehend the feelings ji gong would have with her threatening his children all the time. obviously the queen regent doesn't feel warm & fuzzy about the people trying to hurt sammmaekjong or the princess. why would she expect ji gong's loyalty & love when she openly abuses his children...
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Kiara
February 1, 2017 at 1:03 PM
We are all trying to make some sense out of this right? I'm not disagreeing with you guys either. Just looking at it from her point of view. She has many flaws and that makes her somewhat human and being born in a royal household with power in that time period makes it harder for us to understand her. The only way they know how to use it is against others or it won't be used against them like Minister Park said to Ban Ryu.
She is all alone with all the responsibilities of a king. It's overwhelming for one woman to handle. Her father had a queen by his side and several concubines.
Ahn Ji is the only one that she is abusing to get his attention which isn't working now because he's had it with her and she has gone too far when it comes to his children.
She knows she is being unfair but she is miserable and she needs company.
Maybe Ahn Ji letting her go would be the best thing he'd ever done for her.
Politics has always been dog eat dog, kill or be killed. She has to be this ruthless to stay alive. Minister Park and his minions are not going to hand her an olive branch.
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Kiara
February 1, 2017 at 1:05 PM
*it would be use against them*
paramount
February 1, 2017 at 1:19 PM
yes, i understand where you're coming from in the perspective of her as a royal. i don't understand her disconnect in the perspective of a parent approaching a parent. she understood that the officials would be threatened by her using their sons as "dogs" for the king & it was done maliciously. if she believes she can "trust" ji gong (as she can't trust others) i don't get why she would take the same route.
it's hard for me to sympathize with her character when she has created all her problems for herself. but you make very good points about the throne!
Kiara
February 1, 2017 at 1:41 PM
It's because her son is the king therefore he is more important than a half breed or commoner's children. That's the mentality of that era where rank defines one's value.
If you are ask to make sacrifices to save the king then you just do it because it's your duty to serve and protect your king. It's hard for a commoner to argue against it.
Our moral values are so different because we are all equal.
theigorot
February 1, 2017 at 9:08 PM
But what exactly is she doing to stay in power/protect the throne? What is the plan with JD? When is the right time to reveal his identity? I haven't seen her do anything aside from threaten everyone including JD. I want to understand her but I just can't.
Kiara
February 1, 2017 at 10:26 PM
Trying to stay alive? Manipulating people to do what she wants. Creating The Hwarang to serve and protect her son. Eliminating threats to the throne by framing people like her own brother etc etc.
There is nothing clean about politics. Kill or be killed. This is a woman playing politics in a man's world.
The other side are doing the same thing and even using their own children to do their dirty works so they can stay in power.
bbstl 🧹
February 1, 2017 at 12:13 PM
I understand and agree with you insofar as I understand anything about being royal or mothering LOL but I have such a hard time with her keeping her children hidden. (I know the Princess was only gone for a while, for "illness".) For how long has she been consolidating power to establish a safe throne for Sammaekjong to take? What have they learned by being outside the court and away from her, compared to what they would have learned at her side? Hwarang is her first idea to provide the power to guard the new King against the officials? Baloney, what's keeping her in place will keep the King there as well. She bugs the hell out of me.
But I really do get you, kiara! ☺️ I just needed to rant.
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ar_arguably romantic
February 1, 2017 at 2:18 PM
She confuses the heck out of me. Sometimes, it seems like she really wants to protect SMJ because he's not ready. But she doesn't do anything to help him be ready besides establish a Hwarang that is really useless. She doesn't even tell him who his enemies are going to be. Does he even know that Ban Ryu's adoptive dad is gunning for him and to keep Ban Ryu under a watchful eye? And how is it that the princess seems more ready to be king than SMJ?
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Kiara
February 1, 2017 at 2:46 PM
Rant away. Maybe she is difficult to understand because of the writing? The writer seems to go back and forth from a power hungry queen (seen by the people) to a protective mother (when she is all alone expressing herself in tears to her guard).
They are going with the history here with the length of her reign as queen regent. King Jinheung was very young (only 7yrs old).
I do find her sympathetic in this drama because Sammakjong's father is not around to protect his own son, her other husbands Kim Isabu is not part of the show and Minister Park is her rival instead.
The real Queen Jiso had all the powers on her side and Sammakjong ascended the throne as King Jinheung with no problem. That wouldn't be interesting enough for a drama right?
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bbstl 🧹
February 1, 2017 at 7:11 PM
Whoa, how interesting! None of this is close to being the truth, that's wild.
Kiara, can you shed any light on this "no one can see the crown prince/king's face" thing? I thought it was just because of keeping Sammaekjong hidden but now it seems to apply to the Baekje CP as well, did it go for all kings (and kings-to-be)?
shuerei
February 2, 2017 at 9:18 AM
Kiara, very good points. Glad you are here to give us lots of background info..
Queen Jiso is depicted as a ruthless ruler but I guess the royals had to be during those times where a misstep or weakness would result in them being assassinated.
It's just that we find her expectations or affections for Ji Gong are just not making any sense especially trying to get the man to love her when she is still threatening her children. Not exactly very solid writing...
Kiara
February 2, 2017 at 11:40 AM
@bbstl
I'm not sure I fully understand what you are saying sorry. Do you mean "looking directly at the king's face?" I don't know the main reason behind it other than it's disrespectful (not proper etiquette?) to look at the king's face.
Kiara
February 2, 2017 at 11:49 AM
@Shuerei
I think Queen Jiso may have felt betrayed by Ahn Ji in some way. She begged him to take her away because she didn't want to marry her 60 yr old uncle (Sammaekjong's father).
Ahn Ji ended up marrying one of his servants (Ah Ro mother) instead.
Maybe she is doing it to get back at him?
I won't be surprised if her father the late king separated them and forced his daughter to marry her uncle to produced a sacred bone heir to the throne.
bbstl 🧹
February 2, 2017 at 12:11 PM
Thanks, kiara- yes, that's what I meant. I wondered if it was the etiquette of not looking directly at the king or if it was something like that below a certain rank people were literally not allowed to see his face on pain of death. Like, do people have to die after seeing Sammaekjong just because he specifically is being hidden or do common people die all the time if they see the king's face? (Which they would never do.) I know there's a famous painting of a Korean royal retinue where the king's white horse is shown without a rider because it was blasphemous to show the king. That's what got me started thinking about this, thanks for answering.
Kiara
February 2, 2017 at 1:57 PM
@bbstl
In this drama, those who saw Sammaekjong's face are killed because he is supposed to be hidden and no one should know what he looks like for his own safety.
It's too extreme imo but that's over protective Queen Jiso for you. I don't have a problem with her guard killing the assassins sent by Minister Park but the innocent people like Ah Ro's brother and that soldier who was just admiring the king should not have died.
If people are aware of the king's presence they would bow and remained with their head down till the king pass by. If they are being summoned to see him, they are expected to keep their head down unless the king commands them to life their head and look at him.
Obviously those who work for and with him will have to look at him at some point.
I believe commoners and nobles alike practice the same etiquette towards their king.
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February 1, 2017 at 12:20 PM
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paramount
February 1, 2017 at 1:19 PM
we also know she's being poisoned somehow so maybe she is becoming progressively more insane due to that!
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siesta
February 1, 2017 at 1:52 PM
i think they're portraying her as a victim of the bone rank system too.. she was in love and betrothed to ahn ji, yet was forced to marry her old uncle. i think after that she became bitter and disillusioned, and determined to hold the highest power so nobody else would have power over her again
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February 1, 2017 at 11:45 AM
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February 1, 2017 at 11:47 AM
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ThePerfectDramaQueen
February 1, 2017 at 12:24 PM
I disagree with you a little here. Jidwi stepped forward to claim his right just as SW shouted that he was the king.
If SW had been quiet JW would have said what he had to say.
I personally think that the writing being stuck against Jidwi is a little tiring. He can't seem to catch a break. & portraying him as a weakling/ coward is just unnecessary. He is still conflicted about how to claim his thrown & giving the way his life has been, that makes sense but this whole "SW is better at everything that JW does" is terrible writing.
Both characters can be great without one of them being cast/written as a coward.
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aoiaheen
February 1, 2017 at 1:48 PM
I think both male characters are written well and act according to character.
In Sun Woo's case, he's brave. He doesn't feel fear. Like he said in the beginning, people with nothing to lose have no fear. And he acts accordingly, without really thinking of consequences.
Whereas Ji Dwi is written to be courageous. He has lived in constant fear all his life. Fear of being killed, fear of being discovered, fear of seeing people being killed just for seeing his face, fear of becoming king and failing at it. But he acts nonetheless. He is afraid, yet he joined Hwarang anyway. He is afraid of being discovered, but he decided to speak out that he's king anyway. So in a way, Ji Dwi is more complicated character.
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February 1, 2017 at 4:26 PM
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elric
February 1, 2017 at 4:39 PM
I like this explanation. Also as much as Ji Dwi wants to be king, he knows he is still weak. He knows he needs to be stronger and he knows that he still has a lot to learn. That's why he admires Sun-woo for being such a natural leader. He wants to be like him.
As for Sun-woo, now that there's a big possibility that he is royalty (probably the son of the Queen's brother). Yet he might be disqualified for his illness. Ji Dwi still has the upper hand in being king.
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ar_arguably romantic
February 1, 2017 at 2:28 PM
I was disappointed in Ji Dwi too. I was angry that he has spent the entire series going "I want to be king but my mom won't let me" and here is an opportunity to make it know he's king - willing to suffer so that his people won't suffer and be acknowledged by another royal. But he was hesitant to take it. And I felt so bad for those poor people who were killed off.
However, I also think he would have spoken out if SW hadn't stepped up. But then again, would that be before or after the second batch of people get killed off?
I think the point of the writing is about how Ji Dwi isn't ready and how Sunwoo eventually helps shape Ji Dwi into a king. I wish Ji Dwi got learning opportunities that don't involve high stakes situations. I'm sure SW will end up being one of the generals who help King Jinheung expand Silla.
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Yuki
February 1, 2017 at 2:58 PM
Dunno...from my point of view, the show has done a very bad job explaining why Ji Dwi is in this situation, so I cannot really think of what would be a reasonable or a courageous move since the situation is quite absurd from the get go.
I'm still enjoying it since I like the boys' interactions and mainly the alternate OTP BanRyu - Su Ho's sister. Su Ho and his sister are also adorable together :) The acting is good in general; my doubts about Min Ho disappeared and I can even tolerate Go Ara's constant frowning.
I will keep watching for now, but I hope they don't ruin Ji Dwi's character because they don't know what to do with him. PHS does not deserve this, he has done a good job so far (same goes to PSJ who's also suffering from the bad writing here).
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Kiara
February 1, 2017 at 4:48 PM
The show is not over yet. Maybe it'd be explained later?
IF the Korean Netizens are correct (thanks Sooyi) and Moo Myung is based on the historical General Mu-ryeuk then I kind of see the connection here and why the writer had Moo Myung stepped up and took charge of the situation instead of Sammaekjong.
Baekje (currently known as Nambuyeo - Southern Boyeo). is ruled by King Seong if my calculation is right. The current crown prince they are meeting with, Prince Chang is his son and future King Wideok.
General Mu-ryeok was the son of King Guhae (the last king of Geumgwan Gaya). A Gaya prince but a true bone in Shilla.
"In 554, he met the Baekje armies at Gwansan Castle, killing King Seong and four of his ministers, and taking some 29,000 prisoners." according to wikipedia.
So if Moo Myung is General Mu-ryeok this would be his battle with Baekje.
Since it doesn't look like there is going to be an epic battle later. It might come down to a duel between Moo Myung and Crown Prince Chang.
If this has nothing to do with the history then it makes sense for the fearless Moo Myung to step up and take charge for now.
Maybe this is not Sammaekjong's battle. The Hwarangs are not on his side yet. They think Moo Myung is the real king.
Sammaekjong maybe the king but Moo Myung is the main character here. This is his story if we ever get to it lol.
sweetsour
February 1, 2017 at 5:02 PM
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zaza
March 4, 2017 at 1:16 AM
thats right! ji dwi was only late milisecond before sunwoo shout that he was the king! it is all writer fault makefor ji dwi look so pathetic
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thekors
February 1, 2017 at 4:42 PM
I wonder how much of Sunwoo's Ji Dwi dilemma is caused by the thought that if Sunwoo is King, Aro will soon know that her brother died because of (albeit not 'killed by') the King.
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zaza
March 4, 2017 at 1:28 AM
so the overall is ah ro didnt know about how his brother being killed. of course, she doesnt concern about his brother after all. when she knew sw is not her real brother, she only concern about her confuse feeling toward sw. what a meh sister -_-
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transient
February 1, 2017 at 5:53 PM
I do not find Ji Dwi's inaction as cowardly. Instead I see him as very conflicted, whether to act strategically or follow his heart. Ji Dwi was very affected when the peasants were killed as evidenced by his clenched hands. I think he really wish for no harm to his people like when he let go of the robbers. However in this case, he knows that outing himself as the king might make the matters worse. The crown prince is obviously set out to kill Silla's king, so if Ji Dwi is killed there, Silla will be without king. This means that Silla will fall and might be conquered by Baekjae. This in turn will make everyone in Silla to suffer. So, strategically, Ji Dwi has to make the hard decision to allow some to die in order for the majority to live. It's like chess, once the king is captured, all the other pieces on the board becomes meaningless.
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yukie
February 2, 2017 at 5:35 AM
Yeah!! Totally agree w you.
I really liked the characterisation of JiDwi here. He understood politics and is not rash, however he also understand the unbelievable weight of being a King.
He wanted so badly to be a good King and yet he keep seeing his weaknesses plus the fact that his Mom doesn't train him at all therefore exacerbated his fear of not being able to rule well.
SunWoo on e other hand I find too simplistic and naive. He stupidly charged into prison (idiotic move ~ which unrealistic coz its other country and they all can be killed, Silla can't even protect them). And then oversimplify politics to princes SookMyung, the logic is sound but in politics it's never a straight forward answer. Not when Silla is weaker than Baekje.
Also I honestly think SunWoo steps up and says he is King is because of Aro. It's in line w his character he only focus on one thing and acts without thinking.
I'm actually upset w the drama for making such an obvious set up by making Aro in danger -> SunWoo saves e day =_=
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riz
February 3, 2017 at 1:38 AM
my thoughts exactly. it is precisely because SW is not the king (or at least, not that we know of) that he is able to make that rash decision to save Aro's and those prisoners' lives. JD, on the other hand, has been raised as the king, which means he knows how heavy a decision revealing himself to the enemy would be. it's one thing to reveal yourself as king inside your own nation while having assassins gunning for you. at least you're in your own country and you have power there. in the ep, he was being forced to reveal himself while inside enemy territory, in front of an enemy prince who is clearly hostile. the political stakes are so much higher. if JD revealed himself, he would have effectively sentenced his entire country to death.
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zaza
March 4, 2017 at 1:32 AM
yeah but writer can makes ji dwi won the battle with baekja's prince as the writer makes sw won.
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6 thewaywardhaenyeo
February 1, 2017 at 11:46 AM
They should rename this show, "Saving Aro". That girl is in danger of dying in literally every episode. I am not a fan of Go Ara's acting. This is my first time watching her so I don't know if it's just the character she is portraying or her acting too. I am really disappointed with this show.
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Rungirlrum
February 1, 2017 at 12:11 PM
She was in Reply 1994. I actually liked her acting there and i think she is emulating her R94 character in this show. Gosh, all that crying, pouting, pursing of the lips... Driving me insane.
And how is that crown prince deciding all these things? Should it not be the King of Baekje's decision whether or not to break alliance and declare war?
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bbstl 🧹
February 1, 2017 at 12:15 PM
I like Go Ara but so many times in this show there's a full-on face shot of her that makes me think of Grumpy Cat and I just crack up.
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blnmom
February 1, 2017 at 7:18 PM
Ohhhhhhhh, whyyyyyyy did I read your comment. Now every time I see her I'm going to think of Grumpy Cat. ? I knew she looked like someone, I just couldn't place it.
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canuck_noona
October 20, 2017 at 9:38 AM
A few months late into this thread but this comment is the bomb. Finally! Her pursed lips have irritated me so much and your description of her face is spot on. I don't know the actor very much. Is this face natural for her or was it written into her character?
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Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
February 1, 2017 at 12:21 PM
She was fine in Reply 1994 and also in You're All Surrounded (where she had the best.smile.ever about 16 minutes into ep 3).
And she may indeed be trying to channel her 1994 character here, it just doesn't work so well in this context.
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risa
February 1, 2017 at 3:50 PM
where she had the best.smile.ever about 16 minutes into ep 3 lol @ the cute fanlording :D
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sooyi
February 2, 2017 at 4:51 AM
? ? LOL I had the same thought as you. Thanks @bbstl for finding the comparaison!
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Ajusshi
February 13, 2017 at 6:23 AM
Thanks for that I'm downloading it at KissAsian to watch later. Definately agree with all the comments on this episode. I think there is a consensus that this drama so rich in potential and with on the whole a great cast is let down by the writers inexperience and at times poor direction.
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ar_arguably romantic
February 1, 2017 at 2:36 PM
It's really not Aro's fault. She never seeks out danger and it's always because of others' irrational actions. She just happened to befriend a little boy. Seems like Ji Dwi needs saving too. Maybe the show should be like "Sunwoo is Probably Tired of Saving Everyone. Please Let the Man Rest.".
I like Go Ara and don't have a problem with her in previous dramas. I think the makeup makes every frown look grumpier though. The thick unnatural looking eyebrows on the characters are really distracting.
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theigorot
February 1, 2017 at 9:27 PM
I've mentioned it before that I like Aro & I didn't mind Go Ara's acting even when she's not very convincing whenever she cries. Her expression when they dragged her to be killed in that last scene however bugged me. She just saw people get killed in front of her and she's aware that she'll die next if no one speaks up. Her expression though...arrgghh..
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7 Germeze
February 1, 2017 at 11:59 AM
Ji-dwi needs to step up already. This show is dragging out his indecision for too damn long. Like LolliPip said he's literally got blood on his hands so best king up and smack that obnoxious Baekje prince back to the hole he crawled out of. (I really didn't like that guy, probably cause t can't stand people who make you watch them eat while not offering you a single bite. Manners!)
Also I support Pah OhXDan Se, the purest of same age friends.
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bbstl 🧹
February 1, 2017 at 12:55 PM
omg "king up"! Love it ?
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ar_arguably romantic
February 1, 2017 at 2:37 PM
The Baekje Prince oozed slime.
Dan Se is the best! He's probably the only guy in Hwarang that I respect now.
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bbstl 🧹
February 1, 2017 at 3:08 PM
The Crown Prince really is great at being terrible! Yeeccchhhh! What a slimeball. How I look forward to him being defeated by Silla (please? I hope?).
Really hating Dan Se's grandfather.
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8 Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
February 1, 2017 at 12:02 PM
I've got a bit of an issue with Ji-dwi, and to a lesser extent with Sun-woo. It was obvious that the crown prince was not bluffing, so anybody who wanted to step forward should have done it before the first group of peasants were killed.
The message from what they actually did was: "It's ok to kill peasants, just don't mess with the female lead" (No matter how many people dislike her performance).
Anybody else wish all 4 of them had stepped forward at once to say "I am
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isagaja
February 1, 2017 at 12:14 PM
Yeah, that pissed me off too. At the start of the episode Ji-dwi stopped the others from killing his subjects, yet at the end he's content to stand by and let them die as long as they don't kill 'his only person'? I understand the stakes are higher, but it still made me lose respect for Ji-dwi as a king.
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aoiaheen
February 1, 2017 at 12:34 PM
I really wanted Ji Dwi to step up sooner, and but I don't think that it was cowardice that made him take so long to make the decision to speak up(and Sun Woo beat him to it.)
I also think that he wasn't thinking of Ah Ro when he decided to claim he's king. If you notice his expression he didn't even see her being dragged in. He was battling with himself, to step up or not. The first batch of men were killed before the fifteen minutes were up. And he decided to act irrespective of who was in that second batch.
I don't think Ji Dwi was worried about his life per se or he wouldn't have volunteered for the party. He's spent most of his life in hiding where people were killed just for seeing his face. So stepping out into the light can't be an easy decision. I'm glad he made that decision even if it was late.
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aoiaheen
February 1, 2017 at 12:57 PM
Also, have to say, that I am super impressed with Park Hyung Sik. The few minutes of that scene were so amazingly played, I could feel every bit of angst that he wanted to convey. I can not believe he's only acted in a few dramas. He feels like a seasoned actor.
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hellocam
February 1, 2017 at 3:26 PM
+100000000 everything you said above
rentenmann *SWAG*
February 1, 2017 at 4:13 PM
Agree with everything you have said!
Also, Dan Se and little bro (sorry, Taetae, I forgot your character name again.) were so good. Grandpa needs to just STOP.
redfox
February 1, 2017 at 2:01 PM
um, they gave 15 minutes, then minced the poor peasants after only a few. How could Ji Dwi have predicted that? I think he naively thought he can come up with some sort of plan I guess.
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gadis
February 1, 2017 at 4:43 PM
Exactly.
Ji-dwi has too much to lose and I think he tried his damnadest to come up with a plan that wouldn't endanger both those people and himself. After all, he couldn't predict what would happened when he claim to be the King of Silla. What if he found himself as a hostage of some sort? That wouldn't bode well for Silla people either.
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la dee dah
February 1, 2017 at 12:23 PM
But look back at the scene. Ji Dwi never looks at AR when she was brought up before them. Only Sun Woo was looking at her with concern. Ji Dwi was staring right in front of him and down and shaking, exactly like he was doing when the first group of peasants was brought before them. So I'm pretty sure Ji Dwi was stepping up because the 1st group of peasants got killed, and he didn't want to see anymore killed.
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aoiaheen
February 1, 2017 at 12:50 PM
When I watching, I really did think it would be a Spartacus moment. I was so sure that ji Dwi would stand up first and then Sun Woo. Or Sun Woo would stand up first and then Su Ho (coz Su Ho is cute that way)
But none of them did the Spartacus thing and I was so disappointed.
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UmbrellaMan
February 1, 2017 at 1:16 PM
I totally thought they would all pull a Spartacus moment. Showing their solidarity and all that. But, it would be a bit unbelievable if Ban Ryu were to have joined, since he is not necessarily 'for' the king. I don't see him sacrificing himself to that extent. Especially since the crown prince could just kill all of them - he knows one of them is king!
The writing this episode slacked a bit. If you want to portray a king sympathetic to the people, you need to show him consistently showing his convictions. I will give Jwi Di some leeway since the crown prince executed them well before the timeframe stated. So, it was a bit of a surprise. However, sticking Ah Ro in with the second group muddies his intentions. Is he stepping up to the plate to save the peasants and Ah Ro, or just for Ah Ro?
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ar_arguably romantic
February 1, 2017 at 2:49 PM
Holy crap, i was totally expecting the I am Spartacus thing too!! And was disappointed we didn't get it, especially since this was a pop culture heavy drama. Such a missed opportunity. And it would be sort of funny too, since 3 of the 4 guys could be eligible for the throne. Sunwoo as the Queen's unknown nephew. And BanRyu could be king if his stepdad has his way.
I was thinking Suho could have attempted to step up to the plate to protect Sunwoo (since the Queen had heavily hinted Sunwoo was SMJ).
I'm still not 100% sure if Sunwoo is sure Ji Dwi is king. If he does, I can see Sunwoo trying to wait it out to see if Ji Dwi would step up. If he wasn't sure and it was possible that none of them were king, I felt like he should have stepped up since the Baekje prince was obviously going to keep killing until someone fesses up.
But JiDwi - come on, were you seriously trying to wait until the 14 minutes and 59 seconds were over? At least it looked like he was about to fess up when SW beat him to it.
It really doesn't look like Ji Dwi noticed Aro in the second group of peasants about to be executed. He was panicking and struggling too much - probably traumatized at seeing his people slain. Their blood even got on his clothes.
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February 1, 2017 at 4:46 PM
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Needaname
February 1, 2017 at 1:13 PM
Yes! Me too, i was hoping either all four would step up or at least both Jidwhi and Sunwoo to create some confusion and gain some time for the peasants/Ahro. I think Jidwhi should have contested Sunwoo's claim. But, if Sunwoo is the son of the Queen's brother...then he is a king too. I think it was in character for Sunwoo to step up as he did, announcing loud and clear.
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kbears
February 3, 2017 at 9:14 AM
that's what I was thinking. will all of you please step up? but I guess that will make the Baekje Prince more mad.
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9 la dee dah
February 1, 2017 at 12:08 PM
I think it's a little unfair to say that Ji Dwi "let" those people die - in fact, we actually don't know. The Prince had indicated he would give them 15 minutes before he killed the people, but then after 1 minute, he kills them and goes "oops, that wasn't 15 minutes." That's not to say that Ji Dwi probably would have come right out and say he was king within that 15 minute period, but we don't know, and we can see he was very conflicted. But he was put in a very tough spot - let them know he was king in enemy territory and possibly be killed or used against Silla, leaving Silla vulnerable, or hold back and let the peasants die. At least he came to the conclusion to let himself be know as the king and stepped up.. it's just that SW beat him to it by literally a split second.
And while SW has good leadership skills, he still has that bad habit of acting before thinking (see invasion of the prison guards when he hears Aro is arrested), which a king needs to consider. Ji Dwi actually had to foresight to tell them to not draw their swords or it would be a declaration of war. Ji Dwi even stopped Suho from attacking the farmers (still disappointed in Suho for that). Actually, a combination of SW and Ji Dwi would make a great king, SW for his leadership skills and Ji Dwi for his looking at the big picture. SW just needs to think before acting and Ji Dwi needs to get out of his insecurities and man up some more.
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ThePerfectDramaQueen
February 1, 2017 at 12:27 PM
WELL SAID!!!!!!!!
Thank you for expressing my thoughts so beautifully!!!!
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aoiaheen
February 1, 2017 at 12:37 PM
Second that! This is exactly what I thought as well.
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loveblossom🌸
February 1, 2017 at 12:38 PM
+1OOO!!! Completely agree with you.
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nami2
February 1, 2017 at 1:05 PM
You took the words right out of my mouth, thank you *thumbs up*
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Hyungsik's Noona
February 1, 2017 at 1:31 PM
I agree with you.
And on Silla's history, It says that
" One of his first acts(King Jinheung) as true king of Silla was to appoint a man named Kim Isabu as Head of Military Affairs, which occurred in 541."
So can we conclude that Jidwi (King Jinheung) will rise on his throne and will assign Sunwoo (Kim isabu) as his Head of Military Affairs at the end?
I really hope this will happen because i already invested too much feelings for Park Hyungsik aka Jidwi and I don't want to get hurt in the end. I don't mind if he will get the girl or not. I just want him to be the king and have a happy ending.
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Kiara
February 1, 2017 at 2:28 PM
Since they screwed up the timeline it's not possible for Moo Myung to be Kim Isabu. I thought he might be General Isabu from the beginning until Princess Sookmyung showed up.
Isabu is Princess Sookmyung father. I don't see how they'd make Moo Myung her father in this drama when he is basically just a few years older than her.
So far, Moo Myung is either the last Daegaya crown prince or General Mu-ryeuk.
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moose
February 1, 2017 at 10:01 PM
@ Kiara - is Kim Isabu really Sookmyung's father? My reading says Jinheung was married to Park Sado (Queen Sado) implying her father was from the Park family.
He wouldn't have married his sister for reals? Half sister I can understand.
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Kiara
February 1, 2017 at 11:28 PM
King Jinheung had more than one wives. Sookmyung and Queen Sado were two of his consorts out 6 or 8 total (forgot). Yes he did marry his half sister but his first wife was Queen Sado from the Park clan.
The inbreeding was real and I have a hard time remembering who belongs to who lol.
You might want to go back to earlier episodes and read O_o comments on the royal family. I don't have access to Hwarang Segi but O_o does.
The official historical documents does not go into details with the royal families' geneology like The Hwarang Segi.
Kiara
February 2, 2017 at 6:28 AM
And yes, Sookmyung is General Isabu's daughter with Queen Regent Jiso.
I kind of get why Isabu is not part of the show. He held a lot of power as a General and he was a royalty himself as a descendant of the first Kim king (if I remember correctly).
He was over all of Shilla's military and the king's court. He would have more power than Minister Park and his minions combined.
Shushi
February 1, 2017 at 4:53 PM
Thank you!! Wish people would give JD more credit. He saved everyone's asses so many times this episode and just because SW beat him to declaring himself the King everyone is suddenly disappointed in him?? Siiggghhh....
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transient
February 1, 2017 at 6:08 PM
I agree wholeheartedly with this. Sammaekjong is more politically adept than the carefree Sun Woo who had nothing to lose until very recently. Pa Oh must have taught Sammaekjong all that.
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Dramasaurus
February 1, 2017 at 7:01 PM
You are so right! A combination of SW and Ji Dwi will be the perfect king.
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10 aoiaheen
February 1, 2017 at 12:19 PM
I wish the writers had brought us here in episode six rather than fourteen. This should have been the story of hwarang -- being sent on diplomatic missions, risking their lives to save the people (not just Ah Ro) etc etc. Instead we got fourteen episodes of "is he my brother or is he not" and "She should love me if I woo her forcefully enough" and "I'm not sure what I'm doing here, but I'm the hero...so..."
Not that I didn't like Hwarang before, its just that I really didn't have much to say about it. It was just pure flower boy style entertainment. They had this amazing concept that they sadly reduced to a love triangle. I liked the love triangle but I would have loved Hwarang more if it was less about the romance and more about the actual Hwarang, like it is now.
I am so excited to see what comes next.
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Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
February 1, 2017 at 1:00 PM
Love that description of the 14 episodes so far.
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ar_arguably romantic
February 1, 2017 at 2:54 PM
yes, that would have been a better way to do things. You can have a love triangle and a bromance and a serious sageuk. You just need to work it. When the drama was first introduced, the storyline, the stills, and even the clips looked really cheesy. However, it won me during the first 2 episodes - we got a serious story. we got bromance (even though it was between SW and MakMoon). we got the heroine who worked like a bajillion part time jobs. we got the meet cute romance. It was a good blend.
Episode 6 would have been a little too early. Maybe episode 8. I feel like tables turn around episode 8.
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February 1, 2017 at 5:05 PM
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ar_arguably romantic
February 1, 2017 at 5:37 PM
It would be nice to get a more grownup version of the Hwarang story in the near future. There is room for all sorts of flavors of sageuk. I mean, they get to tell the story of HongGilDong in various ways over the years, so why not Hwarang?
The youth tag for me indicates growth and learning and learning how to deal with and get along with people from different backgrounds, which isn't happening much. I like this youthful version despite its many frustrating flaws. And I think you can have youth oriented sageuk storytelling and hijinks while being taken seriously. Like SKKS and MDBC, which had experienced writers
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Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
February 1, 2017 at 10:11 PM
I think this show has always had trouble identifying its audience. Half the time they do silly (to me) stuff that seems oriented towards kids, then they turn around and do non-kid stuff (I bloody well hope), like murder best friends and massacre tied-up peasants.
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Kiara
February 3, 2017 at 6:19 AM
So true so I narrowed it down to early teens.
Kiara
February 1, 2017 at 2:57 PM
I'm not a big fan of romance in sageuks. I don't mind if it's kept to a minimum but it seems take up a good junk of the story here with the useless love triangle cliche and stupid misunderstandings, that just goes on in circles.
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Kiara
February 1, 2017 at 5:39 PM
Lol *Chunk*
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harmonyfb
February 2, 2017 at 4:18 AM
I’m not a big fan of romance in sageuks.
I'm right there with you. I want more fighty-fight!
The only romance I'm interested in seeing at all is Ban Ryu and Soo-Yeon, and that's partly because it will eventually lead Ban Ryu to reject his father's weird gang politics in favor of friendship and love.
(And partly because I love how Soo-Yeon just decides what she wants, and goes for it without hesitation. I'd love to see her in the middle of the politics kicking metaphorical ass & taking names.)
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DeeGee
February 1, 2017 at 9:08 PM
I agree with you! They could have all these awesome Hwarang missions and have the youth bromance thing too! It doesn't have to be serious. They can go around helping people. I was expecting the Hwarang boys to have more assignments and hence more bromance bonding.
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kbears
February 3, 2017 at 9:16 AM
totally agree.
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11 Liz C
February 1, 2017 at 12:19 PM
There are a lot of threads to get resolved in six episodes:
1. The Queen and Master Ahn's backstory
2. Hwi-kyung's backstory
3. Hwa-gong's backstory and fall from grace
4. Ban Ryu and his dads
5. Ban Ryu and Soo Yeon's romance
6. Ban Ryu and Suho's bromance
7. Suho's crush on the Queen
8. Dan Se and Han Sung's bromance
9 Yeo Weol and if he has any purpose in the story
10. Ji Dwi becoming king (or not)
11. Sunwoo-Aro-Ji Dwi romance
11a- Ji Dwi realizing that the person that the Queen's guard killed was Aro's actual brother
11b Sun Woo realizing that Ji Dwi didn't kill Mak-Moon
12. Princess'es crush on Sunwoo
13. Sun-woo's big birth secret
13.a why the Princess and Sunwoo seem to have the same fainting disorder
13b. the guy who was Mak-Moon and Sun-woo's mentor/the musician, how he fits in.
14. the Hwarang actually cementing as a group
15. resolution with Baekje
I'm guessing that 1/3 of these are left hanging.
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bbstl 🧹
February 1, 2017 at 12:50 PM
good list!
9- Yeo Wool and if he has any purpose in the story
Is one of my burning questions, and also redfox and I are still waiting to know how he got booted from the center bed to the top bunk on the first night.
16 - don't forget Polio Guy!
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bbstl 🧹
February 1, 2017 at 1:07 PM
Ignore that please, I forgot whose name Hwi Kyung is.
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LizC
February 1, 2017 at 2:06 PM
that's fine, because I forgot about the something, so:
16: the Queen being poisoned.
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ThePerfectDramaQueen
February 2, 2017 at 9:15 AM
Ooooo
THE QUEEN BEING POISONED! Will we resolve that issue?
I mean what's the point of all this extra work that minister Park is doing if he is already poisoning her? She will die anyway, so why is he doing the most with letters etc.
Sigh.
redfox
February 1, 2017 at 2:03 PM
um, can we skip those and just have them pose with puppies?
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siesta
February 1, 2017 at 2:21 PM
or cuddle together in a heap of puppy pile works too
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WishfulToki
February 1, 2017 at 4:03 PM
And this list is precisely why grumpy me has run out of patience with the show: It is too stingy. We get short conversations with smirks indicating...very little. 'Hello bro, how about a new king?' That's it, seriously? Tell me more, tell me more!
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bbstl 🧹
February 1, 2017 at 7:41 PM
you know, I almost thought he was suggesting himself as the new king in that conversation. Like, whaaaaat?
Stingy is a good word.
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harmonyfb
February 2, 2017 at 4:19 AM
13.a why the Princess and Sunwoo seem to have the same fainting disorder
Because they're related. Remember, the guy w/polio syndrome who is Sunwoo's dad was a Sacred Bone.
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Kiara
February 2, 2017 at 7:12 AM
I don't think Lord Hwi Kyung is a sacred bone. His mother was a concubine so that makes him a true bone.
We don't know if Moo Myung is his son yet.
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Kiara
February 2, 2017 at 8:04 AM
IF Moo Myung is indeed his son then I think his half sister Queen Jiso did convince her father to change the system to "sacred bone" so Lord Hwi Kyung and his descendants would not be able to rule so her sacred bone son Sammaekjong would be the only eligible heir to the throne.
Maybe we'd get to how the late king died and who killed him. It bugs me that they are not revealing much.
Some have been speculating that Moo Myung is the rightful heir to the throne so it's a big possibility.
So many theories that makes sense. It's kind of fun and it keeps me interested.
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harmonyfb
February 5, 2017 at 1:35 PM
I don’t think Lord Hwi Kyung is a sacred bone. His mother was a concubine so that makes him a true bone.
But in a conversation with Ahn Ji-gong, he says that his illness made him lose his Sacred Bone status. And Ahn Ji-gong and he certainly seem to believe that Sun-woo is his son.
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Kiara
February 6, 2017 at 9:10 AM
Like I said below, the writer is using his illness to disqualify him as heir to the throne and not mentioning that he is a son of a concubine.
(In history a son of a concubine would be a true bone and he was. His children would be true bones also).
He lost his sacred bone status and that basically means his offsprings are true bones.
If Moo Myung is his son, he has no claim to the throne as a true bone unless this writer thinks that we don't understand Shilla's bone rank system.
Kiara
February 3, 2017 at 7:30 AM
Had to rewatch this episode and I guess he is made out to be a sacred bone in the drama. I think the polio is added to explain why he is not the heir to the throne.
I'm curious to know what Jiso did to him that made him want to bring her down.
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Ajusshi
February 13, 2017 at 6:53 AM
Wow!!! I'm so impressed with your summary. I hope it is not impolite to ask this (to all those posting) but some at least have a prodigious knowledge of ancient Korean history, or at the very least an interest that promotes reading/researching that history. Are you therefore Korean? If so I am also amazed by your excellent English and very much in awe of you. I found Kdramas a couple of years ago and they have gradually taken over a huge part of my time.
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12 lunatic4KD
February 1, 2017 at 12:31 PM
Just weighing in (yet again) on how much I'm enjoying this drama - for the story more than anything. I think the writer is young...can't remember where I read that...but she/he has a good grasp on intrigue. I like how everything is woven together with MANY active threads unresolved, yet interesting. I'm a writer and I know how hard it is to come up with this many plot mechanisms and keep them all up in the air at the same time. Only time will tell whether we get all the answers but in the meantime...bring it on, HWARANG!!
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nana
February 1, 2017 at 2:46 PM
If you think that the Hwarang writer is good at making intriguing plots you`ll never be a successful writer. This story is cliche over cliche over cliche is so thin it is transparent.
The hero who can do no wrong, he is not a leader he is a hot head who acts only for his own selfish reasons and doesn`t care for the consequences his actions have on anybody else including his friends his family or god forbid the entire country. And really must there be a Birth secret, cant a peasant born person be as good or better than any noble no HE HAS TO BE A PRINCE from an incest heavy bloodline with physically impaired father from said Incest.
Leading damsel in distress who cries, naively get herself into trouble she could have avoided if she had a functional brain, cries, needs saving all the time and CRIES some more. Who needs smart women she supposed to be whinny and pretty.
Second lead who has to be lovable but VERY FLAWED only to emphasis the main guys perfectness, and not to get the girl cause the main guy gets her, and really for someone to win there has to be a LOOSER folks the second lead is it.
The supporting roles are not developed at all and are used as contrast points in completing the main characters not defined personalities.
Example Sun woo can lead because Ji dwi can not, Sun Woo is brave stepping up (for selfish reasons saving A Ro) in his enemy back yard for a prince who is asking for his opponents king why take a guess to kill him and what will stop him for killing everybody else he plans to destroy their country after all, Ji Dwi is a coward for hiding all his life from his own people who want him dead and hesitates to give himself in to be killed by his enemy,and simultaneously start a war.
Soo Ho and Ban Ruy are here to be a filler representatives of the political background of their respectful families, caught up in the race of who can grab more power money status anything really.
Ban Ruy and Soo Ho sister =Romeo and Juliet need I say more.
The other Hwarang students background extras no story to any of them we only know the two half brothers and Yeo Wol by name and nothing else about the rest of them not even their names cause they are not plot devices.
The queen is evil for manipulating people to keep her position and her life really who does that? Everyone who have a life and a position the want to keep.
Lets cry a river for poor doctor Ahn , the queen ditched him his wife was banished his son died and he is left only with A-Ro what is his answer to all of this he puts the blame no the queen cause he can`t blame himself for being impotent of doing something about it and let himself be blackmailed and manipulated poor thing.
Did I forgot something sure I might have but it if it was important at least it would have gotten bigger screen time so it would be able to remember it.
This story has been told so many times the same old way its boring nothing is original in it I could tell the end after...
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blnmom
February 1, 2017 at 7:27 PM
Um. I'm pretty sure @lunatic4KD is in fact a successful, published writer already. So...
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seizh
February 1, 2017 at 8:36 PM
all of this. preach it!
Hwarang is definitely NOT a case of good writing, even for a young/novice writer
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ar_arguably romantic
February 1, 2017 at 3:01 PM
Not sure if the writer is young, but the writer is still a rookie. Just a bunch of well received drama specials (1-4 episodes), but no experience in writing longer dramas, which is why some of the pacing and character development is off. I think she has some awesome ideas, but could have used some guidance to help implement them better or even nix some of them. Yes, you like about 20 frozen yogurt toppings, but is putting all 20 of them in your froyo really the way to go?
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13 dreamer
February 1, 2017 at 12:49 PM
Why did Sunwoo do that?
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la dee dah
February 1, 2017 at 12:52 PM
Stay tuned for the next episode to find out! =)
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Kiara
February 1, 2017 at 6:30 PM
Maybe he knows that Sammaekjong is the king and was trying to protect him, Ah Ro and the prisoners from Shilla. What's there to lose if he did it for all of them?
He loves Ah Ro, he loves the peasants and he has a duty to protect the king even if his big mouth said he wants to kill him. Deep down inside he sees good in him. Just admit it dude.
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DeeGee
February 1, 2017 at 9:10 PM
I'm praying he did it for Ji Dwi. Pleaseeeeeeeee
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Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
February 2, 2017 at 8:45 AM
In a hypothetical world where logic applies, he did it to protect Ah-ro (and the peasant extras too, ideally) because somebody had to do it and he didn't think Ji-dwi would.
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14 nami2
February 1, 2017 at 12:56 PM
Truth to be told, Sun Woo only stepped up forward to save his beloved Aro (whose ass needed once again to be saved btw*rolleyes*)...he also didn't lift a finger when that first row of peasants were being slain. Hate how main lead's actions always revolves around the heroine.
I don't blame Ji Dwi here, there's too much at stake...revealing himself and blowing his cover means jeopardizing the safety of the kingdom (and moreover being killed on the spot)...now that I think more about it, Sun Woo's rashness has come as a blessing. I'm just worried that we're only left with 6 episodes and that many issues/plotlines haven't been resolved or addressed yet. They definitely wasted too much time on this useless love triangle *sigh*
Ji Dwi/Hyungsik is the only reason I'm not dropping this drama, they better not ruined his character further. Make him this great King of Silla, Show!!
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nami2
February 1, 2017 at 1:08 PM
I meant :
*stepped forward
*any further
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sweetsour
February 1, 2017 at 4:39 PM
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greenteaicecream
February 1, 2017 at 8:08 PM
it's kind of contradictory for you to say...
"give credit where it is due" right after "so far has done nothing to eran respect and loyalty"
yeah, because he was just bumming for the last 13 episodes.
He may have not stepped up as the King yet but that does not mean he has done nothing.
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February 1, 2017 at 11:34 PM
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aoiaheen
February 2, 2017 at 6:54 AM
Well, he joined Hwarang, didn't he? As a king he didn't need to, especially when the hwarang were meant to be an elite group of warriors who put their life at risk all the time. By doing that he is not earning the loyalty of his men, he's earning the right to be respected by his people.
He was forced into hiding when he was seven and he grew up hearing the phrases "faceless king", "scared king". Joining hwarang was his first step. He's not concerned with earning the loyalty of his "men", he doesn't need to. That's a general's job not a king's. He needs the peoples respect, which he's working to earn by becoming strong himself.
Sandy
February 1, 2017 at 10:53 PM
Sunwoo's actions are motivated by Ah Ro. If Ah Ro isn't the one whose life is on the line, Sunwoo will not step forward so I don't understand what makes him a better leader. He is right by remaining silence since SW isn't the king, there is no reason for him to step forward.
But to compare SMJ and says SW is a better leader in this situation is laughable. SW doesn't think and just act. He sees things only from his perspective. He wants to protect Ah Ro so he steps forward. And don't forget, he is the first one to rush to the prison trying to save Ah Ro. This put the whole country in danger as it will give the Prince a valid reason to start war. But SW will not really care since Ah Ro is everything to him.
When SW insists he wants to kill the King, he is only thinking about revenge for his friend. Has he thought of the consequences of a Kingdom without a King? How many lives will be lost when war arises because a nation is without a King?
We know SMJ is going to confess but is late by a split second so SW isn't doing anything that SMJ isn't prepared to do.
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sweetsour
February 1, 2017 at 11:41 PM
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Sandy
February 2, 2017 at 12:19 AM
I am not placing them in the same situation. I already said SW had no obligation to admit since he was not the King. He said so because he wanted to save Ah Ro.
I am referring to your statement that " All of them were risking so much, but it is in such situations that one can know who is a leader and who isn’t. Sun Woo is definitely a leader who is worthy of respect and admiration and loyalty. "
i can't see anything that reflects him being a better leader other than he wanted to save Ah Ro. Like i mentioned earlier, if he was indeed a better leader, he would not rush to save Ah Ro from the prison. He should try to explainand said there was a misunderstanding but he didn't. He just act.
I am not saying i think SMJ is a better leader but i find it weird that others think SW is better than him just because SW shouted that he was the King.
To me, they are both flawed characters. I want SMJ to get out of his shell and shows his people that he is ready to lead them and I want SW to stop being so reckless.
yukie
February 2, 2017 at 6:02 AM
I really can't see SunWoo as better leader in this example.
He rush in to save Aro in e prison without thinking which gives crown prince more power to do whatever he wants w e Hwarang. Also he only wants and need one thing in e world which is Aro. So he acts on his instinct to save her.
JiDwi obviously needs to learn to be a leader but he is trying and learning as much as he can. so I don't think this is a case where SunWoo is bette than Jidwi.
nami2
February 2, 2017 at 6:41 AM
I would have been impressed if it was an act of pure selflessness but it was not, he only come forward because Aro's life was on the line. He was cornered. Sure he felt anger when that first batch of peasants got killed but the moment that triggered his decision was when it was Aro's turn to be dragged to the 'gallows'...I'm not sure what is the heroic act you're talking about here, true fact is those poor peasants only owe their lives to Aro's presence in their group. May I also point out that Ji Dwi didn't even realize that Aro was among the second group, his internal struggling was palpable, he's totally oblivious to his surroundings at that very moment. He was already clenching his fists at the first executions FYI. He was ready to step up , he just got beaten to it, that's all. Like I said before, he has everything to lose, Sun Woo only has Aro to think about.
Sun Woo also put everyone in danger with his dumb decision of breaking into the jail just to rescue Aro...Princess Soo Myung's outburst was legitimate.
A leader should think twice/weighing things over before acting recklessly imo, something Sun Woo has failed so many times already.
Lastly, let's put the blame on Ban Ryu (if we have to blame a hwarang), his betrayal was what started it all...
*I feel so bad scolding Sun Woo's character when Park Seo Joon is one of the reason I started this drama*
sweetsour
February 2, 2017 at 6:53 AM
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15 Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
February 1, 2017 at 1:02 PM
What are those two other guards there for? I'm surprised they lived to the end of the episode because I thought they were going to be like the security guys in original Star Trek.
I mean the guys in red shirts who never needed return tickets when they transported down to the planet's surface.
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siesta
February 1, 2017 at 1:34 PM
they're horsemen i think, not guards
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16 bbstl 🧹
February 1, 2017 at 1:02 PM
I'm not worried yet about Ban Ryu delivering Minister Park's letter. There's no way BR didn't read it and I'm counting on him to decide to reveal its contents to the Hwarang group at some point and they can use that to their advantage, or BR (or, dare I say it, BR and SuHo?) devises a strategy against Baekje with that info. ??
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bbstl 🧹
February 1, 2017 at 2:30 PM
. . . is how I thought that was going to turn out, but it didn't, did it? Omg, I'm laughing so hard at myself. I typed that after spending my night doing a sleep study and clearly forgot an IMPORTANT part of what actually happened! LOLOL oy ? Ummmmm, going back to sleep some more now ?
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ar_arguably romantic
February 1, 2017 at 3:11 PM
lol with a side of sobs! Ban Ryu was one of the few characters I liked in the previous episode when i was mad at pretty much everybody. But now, I'm so angry at him. He deserves to be friendless and loveless.
That particular scene was weirdly edited too. When did Ban Ryu find time to deliver the letter to the prince? He was able to just walk right up to him? Because later, Do Woo delivered the gold and was like someone will come by with the letter. But the letter was already delivered? I was really hoping he swapped the letter out. But the moron didn't even read it. Didn't even look conflicted when he handed it off. What did he think his dad wrote? "Hi there, Baekje prince, let's have tea next week at my place?" It was obviously something to interfere with a diplomatic mission that could prevent war from breaking out.
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ar_arguably romantic
February 1, 2017 at 3:37 PM
I did not think I would like the princess more than the Hwarang boys (except for Yeowool) during this episode. Both girls ruled in this episode.
The first half of the episode was good, since it delved a little into expanding the boys' worldview and got them working. Aro introduced everyone to the concept of seeing good in people and working for food and the princess learned about this concept of generosity. Seemed like everyone was meshing together.
Then they split Aro away from the group for no apparent reason and she got arrested for talking with a peasant boy and that damn letter!
Not just the boys on the mission. I was also upset with Hansung too. Probably because I have a Dan Se bias. Dan Se getting beat up for your lack of improvement seems to be a regular thing. Either take your work more seriously and improve or protect Dan Se.
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WishfulToki
February 1, 2017 at 4:12 PM
I disliked princess up now, but I actually cheered at her for getting angry at her irresponsible Hwarang.
There could have been a way of putting the Hwarang into jail without using Ah Ro, right? It's not polished writing: what delegation leaves one delegate outside? Especially when said delegate has a tendency to get captured through no fault of her own? Basically, the writer was trying to set up of the life or death ending, and decided to create the situation by using Ah Ro. I'm quite sick of Ah Ro as plot device.
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ar_arguably romantic
February 1, 2017 at 4:49 PM
The drama is brimming with characters. There is a new one every few episodes. Why can't someone else be in danger? Suho looks like the type to get in trouble. And it totally doesn't make sense for them to leave her out. she is likely more highly ranked than the horsemen so it's not a matter of status.
bbstl 🧹
February 1, 2017 at 8:03 PM
hahahahaha:
"especially when said delegate has a tendency to get captured"
"She likely is more highly ranked than the horsemen"
You guys are killing me. At least create a pretense for her to from the group, like "oh! I see some medicinal herbs that we don't have in Silla, I must go pick them!"
Sheeeeesh.
bbstl 🧹
February 1, 2017 at 8:04 PM
Grrrrrrrrr
*to separate *
PBY
February 2, 2017 at 5:19 AM
I was really disappointed with Ban Ryu delivering that letter - and no matter how many times I yelled "Hoe, don't do it" at my laptop screen, he still did :(.
I was hoping that love would really change him™, but I guess he still needs to grow more and rebel against his evil dad.
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17 sleepypanda
February 1, 2017 at 1:07 PM
I think Ahro is the only character which is not well written in this drama. I personally expect a lot from her character since Ahro is potrayed as strong and smart woman physycian. However, the writer keeps using her only as 'object to save'. It has been 7th times I saw the heroine in dangerous situations. Once or twice might be okay, but 7th times, really makes her character looked weak and more like burden for other main leads. I am also kinda tired by these 'saving Ahro from danger' scenarios kept being used as repeated formula to trigger crises for Jidwi and Seonwoo. I expect in future episodes, I can see Jidwi or Seonwoo character can grow more mature that every action and decision they made are not just simply to save the girl. I need bigger and more meaningful reason to drive conflict in the drama. I also expect Ahro character can have bigger role in solving the crisis insted of creating another one.
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ar_arguably romantic
February 1, 2017 at 3:13 PM
To be fair, she doesn't create the crisis. She was often minding her own business. But the people around her have a lot of baggage that put her in danger. And the writer does need to create a situation where Aro is not constantly put in danger. It doesn't look good for Aro. And it doesn't look good for everyone else.
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18 siesta
February 1, 2017 at 1:10 PM
in my head, JD was hesitating because as a king, he has his nation to take into consideration (besides freaking the hell out). in that situation, declaring himself as king could only lead to two things: at best, he'd be assasinated. at worst, he could be taken hostage. and that would only make Silla's situation even more dire than it is. if he dies, besides the threat from Baekje, Silla would face internal struggle where nobles would fight each other for the throne. I actually like that he thinks of the repercussions first before acting, unlike Sun Woo who only has himself and Aro to account for. you can definitely see Ji Dwi's internal struggle, and he did decide to fess up, only Sun woo spoke up first.
and in my head, sunwoo is stepping up to save BOTH aro AND jidwi, since by now he's pretty sure JD IS the king, thus he has to protect him for the sake of the nation. and because, like it or not, JD is a friend too. if only they'd learned to work as a team..
i hope i'm right T_T
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ar_arguably romantic
February 1, 2017 at 3:17 PM
In that case, Ji Dwi shouldn't have joined the diplomatic mission in the first place. If he had any sense of politics, he would have stayed home like his mom warned him to.
Actually, the queen should have been careful about who got into the diplomatic mission and vetted Sookmyung's choices. Seriously, letting Sunwoo go when there are rumors of him being the king?
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siesta
February 1, 2017 at 3:35 PM
to be fair, if not for that letter (that none of them save ban ryu could have predicted) baekje would never have thought the king would be one of the envoys. but yeah, we should just put logic aside while watching this drama. the only people with brain cells to rub together here is Hwa Gong (and Minister Park), but he couldn't very well exclude JD from going unless he outs him as the king.
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ar_arguably romantic
February 1, 2017 at 3:42 PM
yes, that! damn! letter! Where is your conscience, Ban Ryu?
So true about the lack of brain cells to rub together. Not even sure if Hwa Gong has all that many brain cells left.
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transient
February 1, 2017 at 6:39 PM
Yes, it is rather idiotic to make Sammaekjong to go to Baekje. Any other king would have known better than to risk themselves (and their country) like that. Bad writing.
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transient
February 1, 2017 at 6:43 PM
Moreover, to have a princess travel to an enemy state like that? Many bad thing could've befallen a girl who traveled like that in that era. I did not blame Crown Prince Chang when he thought that it was marriage offer since it sounded like that to me when the queen first proposed the idea.
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Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
February 1, 2017 at 10:04 PM
Yes, trips like hers just were not done. The only way a princess would travel to another country (even a friendly one) would be to cement a marriage alliance which had already been arranged by other emissaries. And then they'd go with a much larger retinue.
A princess would not wander off to arrange her own marriage.
greenteaicecream
February 1, 2017 at 8:13 PM
I was like "You should have stayed!! listened to your mother for one and stayed!!" when the crown prince made his killing slaves to oust king intentions made.
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Kiara
February 1, 2017 at 7:04 PM
That's just not a good situation for Sammaekjong to reveal himself but I give him credit for being brave enough to try. He's got wings, he just needs to fly and he is almost there.
I hope he'd reveal himself on his own and not because he is being force to.
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Baek
February 2, 2017 at 7:38 PM
they should had played some voiceover on what was in ji-dwi head at that times.. maybe not many would be disappointed after that..
he's definitely thinking of the bigger picture..
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19 Sherida
February 1, 2017 at 1:12 PM
I'm a little surprised that people are so harsh on Ji Dwi for not speaking up sooner. Yes, Sun Woo is brave man. He is also a person who acts before he thinks and in this case, revealing that he was the king was extremely stupid thing to do.
They are in a country, surrounded by people who are considering to go to war with them. If the king gets killed, the queen will stay in power until she gets outschemed by her opponents and all will be for nothing.
Yes, it's incredibly sad that the poor villagers had to die but from a logical point of view their lives are not worth the potential disaster of a dead/imprisoned king. Also, they wouldn't have been there in the first place if they hadn't try selling stolen goods.
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siesta
February 1, 2017 at 1:39 PM
actually, once the King dies, the Queen Regent would loose all her power because she has no authority of her own, she just rules in her son's stead. if that happens Silla would be thrown into a civil war as nobles would fight each other for the throne. that's probably why Hwa Gong did not intend to mess with the royal family at all even when he wanted to change Silla to be better. Silla is already weak as it is, a civil war is *not* what it needs rn.
i'm sensing "for the greater good" theme in all of JD's internal struggle in this ep..
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moose
February 1, 2017 at 10:12 PM
She is pure sacred bone. She can still claim the throne in her own right.
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Kiara
February 2, 2017 at 10:20 AM
Right, she would be free to rule since she is the only sacred bone left.
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20 gadis
February 1, 2017 at 1:26 PM
You see, I'm totally okay with Hwarang boys making some trouble. It's understandable and even expected. I just still have high hopes that Ah-ro wouldn't be the one who drag them into it. And to think that I really love her in this eps, being all resourceful like her original self. But since it's just one glitch, and only resulted in them staying in a temporary prison, I'm willing to forget it and enjoy the rest.
Then come that last scene. At first, I could see how hard it was for both Ji-dwi and Sun-woo to come to their respective decision. I understand their dilemma at that moment. But then the writer decided to include Ah-ro into the 2nd group of people who would get killed. If only she isn't in that group, I can chalk both men's decision up to their sense of responsibility for Silla people in front of them. I can even praise Sun-woo for his heroic move. But with Ah-ro there, I couldn't help but think that they were so selfish, still thinking about their object of love even in the middle of life-and-death situation. That the only thing mattered for them was saving Ah-ro, even when so many other life were also at stake.
Sigh...
How I wish that this drama was handled by a more capable writer.
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siesta
February 1, 2017 at 2:03 PM
if you see closely, JD has not been looking at Aro at all during the whole thing. and he's been shown outwardly struggling (clenching his fists and trembling) right from the beginning after the CP announced his intent. whereas all the others were cool as cucumber including Sun woo, who only started to look panicked after Aro was placed in front of him.
IA though, the writer putting Aro in that situation is just lazy writing, and seriously undermining the boys as characters. as if she's the only worthy human in the planet for them, screw everyone else
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gadis
February 1, 2017 at 4:55 PM
After reading other comments and rewatching that scene, I agree that you are right. Ji-dwi didn't even register the fact that Ah-ro was there with the 2nd group. And that makes me feel much better about his decision to speak up before Sun-woo stole his thunder. I like Ah-ro, but the writer is just too lazy and has to include her in every dangerous situation.
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21 Needaname
February 1, 2017 at 1:35 PM
Well...I can't believe how incompetent the Hwarangs' 4 were...that scene in the morning when they realize the goods have been stolen...huh, you encountered thieves earlier...maybe someone should have kept an eye on the cargo?
And I am not sure why the princess 's guards started listening to Sunwoo and acting like he is their leader...i get that the story has been telling us that SunWoo is a born leader, and you can't hide what you were born to be--his destiny--but there is no transition. The story is so illogical sometimes...I guess we just have to go with it.
But I loved the last scene. You could really feel the conflicting intensity of all 4 Hwarangs. I think Jidwhi really struggled and I have nothing against him. It was a big step for him and I just wished the story had let him reveal himself instead of letting SunWoo take charge now. But oh well...it is the direction it is going. I do like that SunWoo will always act first for Ahro. Jidwhi seems to always just be a little slower in that regard.
I guess watching this episode I just wanted to be Ahro...the men are so devoted to her...it is frustrating her character now exists just to get the boys going...but I guess at least we are getting some movement.
Can't wait for next Monday!
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ar_arguably romantic
February 1, 2017 at 3:21 PM
Haha I also noted their incompetence of not watching the cargo! WHY?!!!!
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22 siesta
February 1, 2017 at 1:47 PM
actually the blood of those farmers were more in Ban Ryu's hands than the others. if only he has the sense to read the letter first and realize what a huge deal it was, if only he'd thought to ask for help from his team, they could've all got out of the situation alive with nobody dying on them. he was portrayed as intelligent, yet he couldn't come up with anything? psh. i'm so disappointed with him rn
and the writer's tendency to write Sun Woo as larger than life is exhausting. he was portrayed as being born with talents in everything- fighting, studies, leadership. he's always right. he's better in everything after only learning them for a short time compared to the other boys who have been training for all their lives. this is just lazy writing. you do not have to crush other characters down just to make your hero shine /end rant
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ar_arguably romantic
February 1, 2017 at 3:28 PM
I think the writer is trying to muddy the water on who would end up being king at the end, even though in history, we know it will be Ji Dwi.
I think while Sunwoo is good at picking stuff up, he's not really depicted as being always right. And I suspect he only knows how to read like 50 characters after all that studying.
I think there is some poorly delivered message about how money and status can't get you everything. Dan Se is poor and looked down upon (and beaten), but he's a leader, brave, righteous, and good at combat. Hansung is given all the advantages, but he doesn't do well in school nor does he do well in combat.
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crazyyo
February 1, 2017 at 11:30 PM
THIS!!!! I agree with everything you said about sunwoo! I have said this a million times that the writer just made his character too perfect to be real, he knows no swords skills yet he beat an experienced guard and now he will beat CP of baekja like come on writer you can do better. She is pushing him way too much by overshadowing all the other characters. For banryu I would disagree a bit, what he did was wrong no doubt and I hope he will realize this soon but I don't think he is that close to the boys to ask for help and go against his evil step dad (whom he is much closer to) I hope something big happens in next episode that will make him realize that his hwarang friends are more loyal to him than his evil step dad but seeing how the writer is just all about sunwoo-sunwoo-sunwoo I don't think something like this is going to happen and he will probably somehow magically become loyal at the end
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Kiara
February 2, 2017 at 10:28 AM
Sun-woo is not perfect at all. He has flaws just like the king and every characters out there.
His sword technique may not be at top notch but his strength is what helps him beat the others.
Rather than comparing the two leading men and their characters against each other, maybe we should look at what they are individually good at and how they are going to use it to serve their people and country.
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23 Dominique Lola
February 1, 2017 at 1:49 PM
I feel like no matter what sweet strong stuff Sun Woo says about being king, and the responsibility for the people he has no freaking idea what it means to be King. It's not just caring for each individual citizen in your damn country. It's far more than that. Making sure the economy is stable, the political climate is smooth, it's always the kingdom before the people first. If the kingdom falls so does the people.
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ThePerfectDramaQueen
February 2, 2017 at 4:14 AM
THIS!
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24 Kendi
February 1, 2017 at 2:01 PM
Sigh. This show disappointed me in so many level.
I chalked it up to never warming up to Ah Ro's character and she is the catalyst of the show.
Like, it took her neck to be on the line for SW or JD to step up after their people got butchered?
What a bunch of wussies.
Neither them or the crazy queen should be on the throne.
Funny thing the highlight of this episode is the exchange between the princess and the baekje king. I'd feel sorry for her everytime the king pushed her to wed him and cheered when she threw the sword at him. The rest is meh.
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25 ohlalaland
February 1, 2017 at 2:16 PM
Another "Save Ah Ro" episode...(rolls eyes). Go Ara needs to rein in the pouting as well...but the problem is mostly with the writing. This episode was so silly with the hwarangs storming into the prison when on a diplomatic trip. Instead of wasting time teaching them how to dance, they should have been taught diplomacy and sword fighting.
Even the princess was badass for like a second standing up to the crown prince but the very next day she is sitting there watching while her people are getting slaughtered and the king could be killed as well. The whole end scene did not make sense except the writer really wants Sun Woo to be the king (don't like that idea). I would prefer if Ji Dwi remains king and claims his throne maybe I just don't like the idea of him being so cowardly. Sun Woo is obviously related to the brother of the queen and can claim the throne as well but I think Ji Dwi's character deserves redemption and am hoping to see that in the next episode even if he doesn't end up being the king.
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Kendi
February 1, 2017 at 3:49 PM
Lol, if you marathon this drama later and take a shot for everytime Ah Ro needs to be saved, you won't show up for work tomorrow.
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ThePerfectDramaQueen
February 2, 2017 at 4:14 AM
I have been saying the same thing.
The worst thing about this drama is the bad writing. Instead of spending 10 episodes on the unnecessary love triangle, the writer should have spent time turning our boys into men!
They SHOULD have been learning about diplomacy, team work and international relations. Basic things like how not to start a war & good diplomatic behaviour.
How the heck did they just decide to STORM a prison in someone else's country without thinking of the consequences first?
I hate that Jidwi is being written as less than able or too slow or cowardly.
His character definitely needs to be redeemed in a huge way after what Sun Woo just did. Which once again was not thought through properly. Why didn't the princess intervein aswell?
After her "you will not kill the king of Silla" speech ???
The writer is over writing Sun Woo at the expense of all the other characters especially Jidwi. So bored of this "Sun Woo is perfect, Jidwi is weak" writing style.
We only have 6 episodes left. Hopefully they don't completely ruin things.
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26 siesta
February 1, 2017 at 2:22 PM
so according to this drama, a splash in the waters = instant bromance XD
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siesta
February 1, 2017 at 2:48 PM
also, #teamDansePaoh
who needs girls
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ar_arguably romantic
February 1, 2017 at 4:05 PM
Also #teamDansePaOh.
Do you think Pa Oh can adopt him once everything is over? Dan Se needs a better family.
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gadis
February 1, 2017 at 5:01 PM
Haha..
Let's start a petition for Pa-oh to adopt Dan-se.
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siesta
February 1, 2017 at 8:48 PM
and sun-woo, and ji-dwi. them boys needs some daddy love too
lmao at the image of pa oh as momma chicken fluffing her brood of chicks
transient
February 1, 2017 at 8:55 PM
@siesta:
Sun Woo comes with free Han Sung.
27 Lala
February 1, 2017 at 3:17 PM
I was hoping Ji Dwi would finally say that he's king but alas it didn't happen. I found it upsetting that as soon as Ji DWI and Sun Woo saw Ah Ro both of them wanted to say the were the king like what about the poor farmers that just got killed in front of you? I understand why Ji Dwi didn't say anything since he was thinking of everything that could go wrong but still :/
Now Sun Woo once again sacrifices himself for Ah Ro which is not a bad thing but having him being mistaken for the king makes me so nervous.
I'm happy with Ah Ro in this episode I don't think it was all her fault that she got captured if anything its the Hwarangs fault for wanting to just storm into the temporary jail. What happened was a misunderstanding that could of easily been solved instead it only served as firewood for the crown prince to get on their nerves.
I honestly admire Ah Ro for her kindness even after everything she is still kind even to the princess who wanted to kill her, she just sees the good in people and it was so heartwarming to see her help the other people in the cell with her even if she didn't have enough medicine left. Her character still has those moments that make me cringe especially with the crying but I can look past it.
Ban Ryyuuuuu! I think that's all I have to say about him im just frustrated.
Danse and Hansung break my heart though :c Danse took Hansung's punishment and from his comment Im sure its not the first time this happens. Taehyung's crying was great just a few tears can show a lot emotion and pain wailing is not necessary (*cough*Ah Ro*cough*) I hope Hansung starts to improve as a hwarang for his brother's sake ;-;
Yeo Wool and Hansung were too cute in their scene though just accept Yeo Wool's love Hansung!!!
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greenteaicecream
February 1, 2017 at 8:19 PM
Actually, if you look more closely, Jidwi wasnt even aware that Ahro was on the second group to be killed. He was busy having an internal battle with himself.
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28 annerl
February 1, 2017 at 3:25 PM
First of all, why Ban Ryu, WHY???
Could he not have just read the letter and made a fake one in its stead?
Heh somebody needs to stick a big acupuncture needle to Kang Sung's neck or somewhere, so that he becomes paralysed. Dan Se—bless him—is and what all big brothers should be.
Also, just noticed something, in other sageuk's all walls have ears. Every wee corner has eyes and even the most secret corridor has someone spying and eavesdropping somewhere—guards, servants, workers, eunuchs (in case of palaces), etc. Why on earth is it then possible that in this one, people always speak out in the open, in normal voices and not concerned about hushing their tones, YET nobody ever manages to hear or knowingly overhear/eavesdrop on their conversations? If it were any regular sageuk, almost all of the secrets in this one would have been exposed by now.
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29 Dramagirl
February 1, 2017 at 3:35 PM
While a lot of people are annoyed by either Jidwi, Sunwoo or Ahro being cowards, scared or no use of being a hero i wonder who started this feud of lets reveal the king.
Has anyone noticed that this stupid end game started with that letter. If it wasnt for the letter the princess could have done something worthwhile about this diplomacy. She stepped up and yet with that letter all her efforts went down the drain. I saw her sitting there like its totally okay to see her subjects of her kingdom get killed. I understand she cant actually do something but why why is she letting this happen. I almost yelled in frustration at this.
And then we have the boys. Banryu is being so conflicted about what to do i cant watch him anymore i get tired even more than seeing Ahro cry. Then we have Suhoo... this guy what is his purpose in this delegation... is he protecting Sunwoo just for his queen crush??? I dont understand him although he is adorable. At last we have Sunwoo and jidwi. Sunwoo is just mainly here because he shows being a good leader but is seriously impulsive. I like my otp as much as any other but this writer was like I'll jam some good love triangle conflicts for ten episodes straight and then maybe we'll found out who the heck Sunwoo is. I love him but I WANT to know who the heck he is!!!! Jidwi my king i feel kinda sorry for you... watching you be torn for 14 epsiodes straight wether you can grow as a king is exhausting. I thought him being in hwarang can make him stronger... i havent seen anything just yet. I know he wants to be a good king and for Silla too but you're so damn slow.
I can't even blame them. Its the writer i just dont feel anything for. I seriously keep watching because i like it but please please drama gods DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS. Too many things are hanging around with no answer. GIVE ME MY ANSWERS. I'll end my rant here.
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siesta
February 1, 2017 at 3:43 PM
Amen.
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WishfulToki
February 1, 2017 at 4:28 PM
I'm taking a cue from Goblin, that switched titles from Lonely Shining Guardian to Goblin, or something like that. Needless to say the original title would have made more sense in light of the ending...
So, this show was initially called 'Hwarang: The Beginning.'Then changed to 'Hwarang: Poet Flower Youth'. Therefore, in a worst case scenario we won't get answers: THANK YOU FOR WATCHING HOW IT ALL BEGAN. THE END.
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30 Night Elf
February 1, 2017 at 4:22 PM
Park Hyungshik is really delivering in this drama. His performance shines! That part where he stood in between Su Ho and the villagers and that mini-speech about the king's incompetence moved me. I can feel his frustration and anger and wow, he's really something. I hope Sunwoo, somewhere along the way when the King is finally revealed, will remember this moment.
"No subject deserves to die for nothing in Silla."
I actually hoped that scene with the villagers would finally start the delayed exposition on the Hwarangs' relationship with each other particularly with how everything will play out once Jinheung finally steps up as the king, but alas, the writers are just dragging this too long! Which reminds me, I hate how Sun Woo always gets Ji Dwi's spotlight! AAAAARGHHH! HE WAS SUPPOSED TO STEP UP AND REVEAL THAT HE IS THE KING BUT WHY ARE THEY DRAGGING IT THIS LONG MOTHER OF GOD! THAT COULD HAVE BEEN JI DWI'S MOMENT. The drama is perfect. If the reveal isn't as dramatic at this, I swear...
Anyway, on to the bromance... Please tell me I'm not the only one who had a stupid smile on her face in that Suho-Banryu scene. Haha. That water fight is such a couple-y thing to do. I see where the director wants to steer this bromance with all its fan service, but hey I'm not complaining! I was also anticipating for Su Ho's reaction once he finds out Ban Ryu is dating his sister. I was betting on either angry or teasing but his mature pronouncement about how he just got close with Ban Ryu and how he does not want them to be awkward again caught me off guard. I live for this kind of depth, writer. GIVE US MORE OF THIS AND LESS OF THOSE IRRELEVANT AND CIRCULAR LOVE TRIANGLE SHIT WITH AHRO, SUNWOO, AND JI DWI.
Aside from our Hwarangs, we also have the disciple bromance care of Dan Sae and Pa Oh. Oh god, Pa Oh's face when Dan Sae offered to be the "hyung". I CAN'T. Too bad the moment was destroyed thanks to that annoying minion. -___- He's starting to get on my nerves now. He is so one-dimensional as a character. I wouldn't mind it if he just appears once or twice but he is starting to become a recurring character and it's annoying. -__- I'm just glad Taehyung's scene with Dan Sae and their grandpa. Our Taehyung! My child, my son, my precious smol smol bean. Wow. His subtle expressions are on point! I noticed that his best moments in this drama are those where he does not even need to speak. I teared up watching him cry, tbh. T___T
Seeing Master Hwi Kyung's disability and Princess Sook Myung's foot, I have a theory that she is the Queen's daughter with Hwi Kyung. I am also leaning on the theory that Sun Woo is Hwi Kyung's long lost son. That would make him and Sook Myung actual siblings.
In all honesty though, I don't care anymore about Sunwoo's background at this point. As the story progresses, I see this drama more as a creative presentation of how Hwarang came to be and how Jinheung is as a king (as if the title...
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Night Elf
February 2, 2017 at 7:37 PM
...isn't an obvious proof of that). There is no single main protagonist. If ever, it's a story of how Ji Dwi becomes a great king and how the Hwarang (particularly Sun Woo) helped him to like that. That part when Sun Woo told the Princess to fight instead of enduring sent me a message that his role in the story is to make Sam Maek Jeong the great King Jinheung that he is going to be known of.
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31 RoseTyler
February 1, 2017 at 4:23 PM
Ugh show! I am really hoping against hope that Ban Ryu didn't deliver the letter. It wouldn't make sense that he was too conflicted to destroy drums - before he was really close with the boys or Soo Yeon - to suddenly delivering a letter that could uproot his kingdom. Makes no sense! The writing is a hot mess.
The princess is rapidly becoming my favorite character, and I liked that Ah Ro seemed to get some personality back this time.
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ar_arguably romantic
February 1, 2017 at 4:40 PM
Yes, The lack of internal conflict over that letter doesn't make sense! Like, Ban Ryu, of course this letter is bad news. And there he was just nonchalantly handing over that letter. For a moment, I thought he switched it out with a fake. But no. He was really just that careless. And the writing was really just that inconsistent.
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Kiara
February 1, 2017 at 6:43 PM
I'm with the baddies and Ban Ryu here. I'm rooting for them to blow Sammaekjong's cover so we can MOOOOOOVE ON.
There is something very annoying about knowing that he is the king since eps 1 and the people in the drama are still in the dark about his real identity.
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32 Jin Joo
February 1, 2017 at 5:13 PM
If Sun Woo becomes the king in the end I am going to flip tables!
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Kiara
February 1, 2017 at 5:45 PM
He is not the king.
Sammaekjong is King Jinheung and nothing will change that.
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celia
February 1, 2017 at 6:03 PM
I was nearly close to flipping table when SW declare himself King and maybe throw the plate at SW and AR for good measure.
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siesta
February 1, 2017 at 7:57 PM
as long as you throw a chicken leg my way i'm cool
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33 hopingnottocare
February 1, 2017 at 5:33 PM
JD is obviously not ready to assume his role that's why he came too late. SW's action, for me was the best bet to take because regardless of his intention, it helped minimize the casualty though temporarily. At least he was bold and capable enough to deal with the consequences later. It would have been a disaster if JD declared himself but not able follow through. My opinion.
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34 celia
February 1, 2017 at 6:00 PM
Sigh.. my patience is wearing thin with this drama. When ep14 preview came up, I was so excited that Sammaekjong would finally reveal himself. Major plot movement! But then, Sun Woo just have to barge in and ruin that only for Ah ro! GAH..
Can't help but feel the writer did Sammaekjong dirty after starting off with an interesting character arc. Honestly, I care more about Sammaekjong, SH, BR, YW, HS than SW. Give them growth also, writer!
If only this drama is not a pre-produced show...
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35 ShinChan99
February 1, 2017 at 6:21 PM
Thank u for such an insightful recap & review. I love reading an even and unbias review of each character. I've been suffocated and almost puking after reading a lot of gushing over the top of PHS handsomeness and bashing over other actors becoz the writer didn't write PHS character like what they want. OMG! I almost given up on this drama becoz of the overzealous fans. Thank you....thank u so much. Keep up the good work.
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36 Alinki
February 1, 2017 at 7:01 PM
Lucky for me, I just here to see the flower boys, and I think that what the deama is all about. The story is cheesy like most of the k-drama but Hyungsik, Seo-Joon, Minho and Taehyung are just beautiful. Aren't they?
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UmbrellaMan
February 1, 2017 at 7:28 PM
Undoubtedly so.
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MESaya
February 1, 2017 at 8:53 PM
Alinki, I envy you.... I wish I could just see flower boys and forget everything... to bad my mind tend to look for other. I've tried though, I was exciting when they showed the morning routine where they greeted the sun, or made essay of 'water'. But, that was that.
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37 Kalends
February 1, 2017 at 7:28 PM
I may be one of very few people who loved Ban Ryu from the moment he stepped over the threshold at Okta in episode 1, but I was silently yelling at my screen when he handed the letter to the crown prince. I get that he's in a difficult spot - stuck between trying to please his stepfather and trying to be accepted by the other Hwarang - so that scene where he jumped in to help his fellow Hwarang had me hoping that maybe it showed that he had chosen to throw in his lot with them and finally stand up for himself against his evil stepfather...but then he handed the letter to the prince in a flashback, and argh!
It seems we have another evil old dude who takes advantage of his descendants. When their grandfather was whipping Dan Se and scolding him for being the reason why Han Sung was failing in Hwarang, my heart shattered. And then Dan Se said that he was getting old and his arm was weaker than before and I actually had to pause the episode just to let it sink in. That whipping wasn't much compared to what Dan Se had suffered before. THAT WHIPPING WASN'T MUCH COMPARED TO WHAT HE HAD SUFFERED BEFORE. Putting their grandfather on my list of what people need to die by the end of Hwarang along with Master Young Shil...
Also, on an unrelated note, was I the only one who freaked when the crown prince dry fired his bow?
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38 siesta
February 1, 2017 at 7:55 PM
i have no idea how the writer would solve the whole king fiasco in the end. i mean, no one knows the king's face, and here someone (who's rumored to be him to boot) boldly announcing to the world that he's the king. how on earth would the Real SMJ step in later on? and man, that's gotta be super embarrassing for him poor boy
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Kalends
February 1, 2017 at 8:46 PM
Agreed. There are so many loose ends to tie up and only six episodes left.
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transient
February 1, 2017 at 9:26 PM
Sammaekjong can use the "shadow" excuse later to explain this to the bewildered. I think it is relatively common for kings to have "shadow", someone who pretends to be the king in order to protect the king. Moreover, no matter what Sun Woo claims, as long as the queen does not explicitly declare that he's the king, he has no valid claim.
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Kiara
February 2, 2017 at 7:20 AM
Without the bracelet as proof of his identity, his mother will have to introduce and crown him as king.
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39 siesta
February 1, 2017 at 8:52 PM
so Moo myung pretends to be sun-woo and now pretends to be the king. heck why not say he's also the queen while he's at it? XDD he's like the Silla version of Frank Abagnale lol
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transient
February 1, 2017 at 9:28 PM
He has come so far, from having no name to being the king. Gotta applaud his achievements.
..or it turns out he has 7 personalities..
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siesta
February 1, 2017 at 10:35 PM
lmao YoNa would have a field day living among those orabeonis!
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Dramagirl
February 2, 2017 at 6:11 AM
Haha omg you're so right abou that. Going to the top very well done...
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ThePerfectDramaQueen
February 2, 2017 at 3:46 AM
???
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Kiara
February 2, 2017 at 7:20 AM
Lol I love this.
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40 +Negative
February 1, 2017 at 8:58 PM
I stopped watching Hwarangs. I'm switching to Innocent Defendant & The Thief Who Stole The People. All I care is I'd probably watched the final episode, just to satisfy my curiosity abt its ending.
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41 Needaname
February 1, 2017 at 9:29 PM
So I just had a thought... if everyone thinks SunWoo is the King (the Hwarang boys, assemblymen, the princess...etc) how do they think SunWoo and Ahro are related, as everyone is also accepting that they are brother and sister (including the Princess)?? Then wouldn't they assume now that SunWoo and Ahro are not siblings? Cause they are not thinking that Ahro is a princess...her half breed (what an expression!) blood line seems pretty clear.
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ThePerfectDramaQueen
February 2, 2017 at 3:50 AM
Sigh, It seems the more we think about it, the less sense it makes. Smh
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42 wackycashew
February 1, 2017 at 9:34 PM
Thanks for the recap, LP!
Wow, things are getting more intense and interesting with this impending conflict with the Crown Prince. But gotta give props to Minister Park for anticipating the robbery and planting the letter as a means to find out who really is the hidden king. I really thought JD would step up and confess as king, especially since he was the one blocking the other Hwarang from harming those farmer robbers, claiming they're Silla's subjects/citizens. So, how come he just stands there watching his own citizens be beheaded?! I guess I found it hard to understand the hesitation even though he has a lot to consider. But even with AR's life on the line, he still didn't step up??? For someone who claims that he needs AR and loves her, he sure didn't show it with his indecision. So, no surprise that SW would claim to be king since he loves and must protect AR at all costs. That is love--action, not just talk. I know JD needs to put Silla before just AR, but those are all his subjects before him... So, would he really have waited till more people were killed before declaring himself as king? I feel like even when JD has the intention to do something, he's usually one step behind SW.
So heartbreaking to see Grandpa whipping DS and HS crying. =(
Happy to see SH and BR finally developing their friendship. What SH said was quite heartwarming in that he values their friendship and not to let the romance brew with his sis. XD
The queen continues to annoy me with her demands.
Glad to see the princess stepping up to stand up for her people.
I agree that the writing is a bit sloppy with that attacking prison scene to rescue AR. Like what the Crown Prince said, who is the person that all the Hwarang who came would dash off to save her? It's almost as if she is more important to the delegation than the princess.
Anyway, can't wait to see how they will get out of this mess.
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43 Wenvell
February 1, 2017 at 9:40 PM
For me, although The King was just mili-seconds late VS Dog Bird in revealing he is King, I am glad he was late.
Dog Bird and Ji Dwi’s dfference – Dog Bird only has Ah Ro to PRIMARILY .think of and protect, Ji Dwi has a NATION.
For me, it was not yet time for him to reveal himself, NOT IN THAT SITUATION, it was TOO RISKY;
He was not in his kingdom, but on another with a Prince who is trying to stir things up bet. their Kingdoms; wanting to kill the King.
It would be easy for different parties to kill him especially without their guards. Him dying there would be more problematic than waiting till he reach his Kingdom to reveal himself. Ji Dwi is concerned, but he is assessing the scenario as it is happening, and what the consequences may be.
The King's move to "reveal himself" though late was not cause of Ah Ro, it was a King with a Nation to Protect.
Also, I don’t see Dog Bird as the “all-time-hero” of the day just cause he stepped forward as the King, cause I see he mainly did it FOR Ah RO, not for the subjects, but for one particular person.
If confronted with choosing between Ah Ro VS other subjects, I cant read what his move would be.
I kind of hope Dog Bird knows Ji Dwi is king and did that to “PROTECT HIM” from the possible attacks once it’s revealed he is king, but it’s unlikely considering how he wants to kill the king himself.
Also, Dog Bird saying he is king continues the flow of him being “thought of” as the King by the Hwarangs, and the Opposing Silla Officials. I can see them trying to plot things to kill him when they return in Silla, until Ji Dwi reveals himself as the True King.
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44 Carinne
February 1, 2017 at 9:55 PM
My sister and I love Ji Dwi's character, the only reason we're watching. One sad puppy we want to protect.^ ^ v
Anyhoot, up to e14 already, and we still don't know the secret identity of Sun Woo. Gah! To be Ji Dwi's equal would be a surprise bonus.
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45 hellocam
February 1, 2017 at 10:32 PM
I'm one of the few who did not understand Ban-Ryu's actions in this episode. But maybe, he wanted to be the puppet king. 'Cause if that's not the case, I blame it to writing or he is just really stupid. It's annoying because he is one of my favorite characters.
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Kiara
February 2, 2017 at 7:46 AM
"My inspiration has run dry
And that's what is going on
Nothing's right, I'm torn..."
Listening to "Torn" when I read your comment so that's my reply lol.
I think he's torn between his father and his Juliet. Maybe he thinks that if he gain power he'd have a chance to be with her despite their families being political rivals.
Maybe he'd get to pick his own bride instead of being forced into an arranged marriage by Minister Park.
He's pitiful around his adopted father it's sad.
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hellocam
February 3, 2017 at 9:45 PM
You're probably right. He's so torn, as usual. I think what turns me off is the timing and motive? And comparing to the drums incident, it seems this time he just coolly handed over a letter that might even ruin the chance of him being king. It is so out of character from what Ban Ryu has been shown to us so far. Maybe it's just me but I find him a very calculating person and is usually careful as opposed to Su Ho's rash and impulsive behavior. Did he not really read that letter? I really blame poor writing.
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46 azleenaa
February 2, 2017 at 12:26 AM
What a episode!!! Actually, when Crown Prince uses Silla subjects to push Jinheung forward, my thoughts was 70% Jidwi will step up, 30% Sunwoo will step up. To me, Sunwoo does not really care wholeheartedly to the subjects since he is previously live a subject. He does not clench his fist in this. To me, he do care but not wholeheartedly. In the meantime, Jidwi clench his fist as he is wholeheartedly care for the subject. Like what he said to Hwagong, "the king who worries about the subject etc". Then, when the next batch of Silla subjects was brought up to them (including Aro), Sunwoo clenches his fist at this. At this moment, my thoughts was 50% Sunwoo will step up, 50% Jidwi will step up. I was predicting who was the fastest to confess. To me, he just wanted to save Aro. He suspected that Jidwi is the King but don't have proof yet (as of this episode). Plus, even he wanted to protect Jidwi as a king & a friend, did we see a scene that Queen or Anhjigong asked Sunwoo to become the fake king? No right? Queen only ask Suho to take good care of Sunwoo (so this will solidify the rumours that Sunwoo is the King). Even Suho does not ask Sunwoo if he is the King. So Sunwoo actually do not understand the importance of protecting the identity of Jinheung. He had already being a fake brother to Aro and now a fake king? We know that he would do anything to protect Aro (he got shot by an arrow & what-not). So i think in the next episodes, Jidwi will eventually step up to protect his friends (crossed finger). Plus, I think Sunwoo do not have any witness other than Wooreuk. Wooreuk might say he is of royal blood but not Jinheung. To me, Paoh is the only witness that can testify that Jidwi is Jinheung. Remember, Paoh is the one who take care of Jinheung since child & stood by him all the time. We can get the gist that Sunwoo/Moomyung & Jinheung never switched at birth or got switched during their childhood or teen times (hey, i think that's a good twist...LOL). So I'm pretty sure that Jidwi confession/revelation will be shown as well. I am glad that Sunwoo actually calms down after the pond metaphor by Hwagong. Before he was kinda in rage & seems like he will torture Jidwi to confess. Because i think character-wise, Sunwoo is kinda impatient & blinded by revenge. I hate that. That he forgot to step back & analyze. Even if he is Dog-Bird & has no fear, he is now involved in a much bigger conflict(s). He should be wise & calm in such situation.
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47 Ananyaaaaa
February 2, 2017 at 1:35 AM
OK so here I'm commenting for the first time coz I really need to vent out m y frustration somewhere. ???
Firstly AhRo, I hated the Queen but I think it was the best for us and Hwarangs if AhRo was killed in the beginning itself. I can't believe I dislike a FL so much. Seriously why can't you just tag along with the Hwarangs/ Princess's caretaker when you're in another land and not go around showing your act of kindness and AGAIN being on the verge of death?>..< I don't understand what SuHo is thinking. Honestly I don't see the guys doing any teamwork or coming up with a strategy to deal with the situation after they were robbed.
Coming to AhRo's dad, he's all words an no action, Everytime Queen does something he's like I'll ruin you and then he does nothing and now he run out of the capital to deal with the situation. Wow!!
The only character who I can sympathize with right now is The Princess. She's actually working for the betterment of Silla. She knew how risky going to Baekje was but still she agreed. Even after the gifts were stolen she decided to go to Baekje as she understood the scenario there. She was taking in the embarrassment for the people obviously she can't do much after the Crown Prince got to know that the King is there and decided to deal with him.
The male character which is kinda perfect IMO is DanSae. He's skilled. He is great in sword fighting. He loves his brother but does know how to deal with him as well. He's a keen observer. (He knew who ruined the dance). He was even able to take care of PaOh.
*Énd of Rant*
Honestly I really love all the actors and it annoys me to see how the characters which have so much potential are being ruined here. I really hope they wrap up the story well though I highly doubt it.
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Ananyaaaaa
February 2, 2017 at 1:43 AM
***Firstly AhRo, I hated the Queen but I think it was the best for us and Hwarangs if AhRo was killed in the beginning itself. I can't believe I dislike a FL so much. Seriously why can't you just tag along with the Hwarangs/ Princess's caretaker when you're in another land and not go around showing your act of kindness and AGAIN being on the verge of death?>..< I don't understand what SuHo is thinking, does he really think his crush over Queen will give him something???. Honestly I don't see the guys doing any teamwork or coming up with a strategy to deal with the situation after they were robbed.
P.S don't know why the comment didn't get posted properly
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48 Rach
February 2, 2017 at 2:56 AM
I'm really bothered by the fact that four persons were killed in this episode in cold blood and it was not an enough compelling reason for our supposedly "heroes" to step up? But put Ah-Ro's neck on the line and they are both the "king". Honestly, Ah-Ro is the most irritating character I have ever come across. She doesn't serve any purpose except get into mess and have the boys bail her out or fight over her. So stupid.
Also, the actress' acting is really getting on my nerves. Her constant lip pursing and biting is her only repertoire and frankly her characterization is simply annoying.
Show come on. Its titled Hwarang, not Ah-ro's knights so please please cut her screen time (HALF of the show is her face onscreen) and focus on the title holders instead. Then maybe, just maybe, this show will redeem itself.
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Angie
April 1, 2017 at 5:34 PM
+1000!
seriously what the hell was she roaming around for? it's not a vacation miss thing! stay with your damned delegation!
i can't believe we're doing a king fake out this late in the game either.
ion't know how they're gonna straighten out everything they need to straighten out in 2 episodes.
well i know it will have something to do with Aro. she's the reason half the cast walks and talks...
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49 Noura
February 2, 2017 at 4:41 AM
I really thought when master hwikyung is introduced, just to give a background glimpse about sunwoo.now i see he has greater (sinister)motive than that.based on his conversation with master wihwa, sunwoo maybe a true bone or half sacred bone bcoz he said 'a new king independent of bone rank'.he knew he could not be a king thus making his son? as a king to revenge the queen?
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50 AJ
February 2, 2017 at 5:08 AM
As someone said on previous eps, Ban Ryu is doing the minimal to get on the good side of his stepdad seing how his dad is being treated. Now, with how his stepdad have the heart to sacrifice him for power, I hope Ban Ryu can turn the table against him, take a stand and be his own man along with the Hwarangs.
The webtoon explores more on the sad side of Ban Ryu and I hope the writers do him well. If Ban Ryu keep being scared with his stepdad, I think the writers will kill him as he is a device of mutiny for the Park family side
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