Ho-gu’s Love: Episode 2
by odilettante
The second episode of this adorable show is just as sweet and zippy as the first, and there’s also an added undercurrent of serious topics such as friendship and big life decisions that keep this from being total cotton candy fluff. Not that I’d mind some fluff when it’s as cute as Ho-gu, who finally gets to spend an evening with the girl of his dreams.
Second Fool’s Errand: Let’s give our seat to the pregnant women and nursing mothers
Ho-gu rushes back to Do-hee in the middle of the crosswalk, telling her, “Let’s go the ocean.” Meanwhile, back at the Kang family home, Mom tells Chung-jae that going to the ocean is a total green light — it’s how she and Ho-gu’s father got together. Ha, and it was Mom who took the initiative, making sure it was the last boat home. According to Mom, just going to the beach together doesn’t mean you’re dating — the key is making sure you stay out all night.
Ho-kyung gets a phone call (and Chung-jae is astonished that her ringtone is Kang Gary’s risqué “Shower Later”), and she’s so dazed by it that she can barely spit out what it was about, stumbling only over the words “Ho-gu… your eldest son…” Mom, Dad, and Chung-jae leap up, thinking he must have gotten into an accident and are ready to rush out the door, when Ho-kyung finally blurts out that he isn’t coming home tonight.
At the bus station, Ho-gu gets tickets for the last bus to Yeosu so that he and Do-hee can go to the ocean. He offers to buy her some water, and heads to the convenience store. But instead of returning to the waiting area right away, he ducks off into the men’s restroom to have a mini panic-attack.
He tries to gain his courage with some mind games, repeating over and over, “I can do it, I can do it.” Which only gets him handed a business card to a urologist from another guy in the restroom. Pffft. Ho-gu’s phone rings, and it’s Ho-kyung (with an eavesdropping Chung-jae), demanding to know where he is.
Ho-gu says that he’s still with his old high school buddies, but Ho-kyung isn’t falling for his lies, and asks if he’s there with a girl. She warns him not to do anything, but if he is going to do something, make sure to spend a lot of money. Chung-jae’s shocked at her advice, but she reminds him that Ho-gu will be lucky to get to first base, if he doesn’t totally strike out in the first place.
At the ATM, Ho-gu empties his bank account — all 300,000 won — and then boards the bus to sit next to Do-hee. He notices that her seatbelt isn’t buckled yet, and is about to tell her, but remembers Ho-kyung’s list of things not to do if you’re going to spend the night with a girl. The first one is to shut his mouth. If he wants to do something for a girl, he should just do it, and not talk her head off.
So he tries to buckle the seatbelt for Do-hee, but it won’t stretch. She moves the jacket on her lap to reveal that she’s already buckled in, and that seatbelt is his. Ha!
Ho-kyung’s second rule is to not let his date get bored. To make sure she’s having fun, he asks Do-hee if she wants to listen to some music. When she agrees, he pulls out his mp3 player and shares his earbuds with her. Aw, the track he selects is Busker Busker’s “Yeosu Night Sea.” Do-hee sighs and says it’s nice, relaxing a little as she watches the world go by outside the bus window. Ho-gu adorably smiles to himself.
At home, Mom and Dad dance together, and he wonders if Ho-gu is doing all right. Mom reassures him that Ho-gu takes after her, but then Dad worries if he’ll overdo it and be too “beast-like,” but Mom reminds him that Ho-gu takes after him, too, so he’ll be properly restrained.
On the rooftop, Chung-jae shouts out his envy that Ho-gu’s spending the night with a girl, but the practical Ho-kyung scoffs, saying it will be a surprise if Ho-gu doesn’t fall asleep first. But the only person sleeping on Do-hee’s shoulder is the mom with a small child who Ho-gu had given his seat to. As Ho-gu dozes and struggles to maintain his balance in the uncomfortable center seat, Do-hee turns to look at him, saying to herself: “His name is Ho-gu. Kang Ho-gu.”
Once they reach Yeosu, they get a taxi to go to the beach. Do-hee is happier than we’ve ever seen her as she leans out the window, shouting her hoy. The genial taxi driver teases the “young lovers” for thinking the winter air is like a warm summer evening. Ho-gu bashfully tells him they’re not dating, but the driver is thrilled to try and help him win the young lady’s heart.
Do-hee delights in watching the scenery go by, but Ho-gu watches the taxi meter quickly increase, and tries to furtively reach for his wallet. Except he can’t find it. Do-hee quickly realizes (much to sweet, naive Ho-gu’s surprise) that the mother Ho-gu swapped seats with also stole his wallet.
He protests when Do-hee reaches for her bag, telling her that the man should pay. Do-hee: “Who cares? The person with money should pay.” Except it turns out her wallet was stolen, too. Oh no!
The class reunion has dwindled down to Tae-hee, the class bully, and couple of others in various states of drunkenness. Demanding to know why their class president didn’t show up to the reunion, the bully calls him — only to get a sleepy secretary at a law firm. Oh, hey — it’s the same law firm that Do-hee visited in the first episode. Composing herself, the secretary pounds on the lawyer’s office door in order to be heard over the Tchaikovsky playing full blast on the stereo.
She finally gets the attention of BYUN KANG-CHUL (Im Seul-ong), and does her best to stifle her frustration with him as she passes along the messages she’s received, which he color-codes as “red” or “green” depending on their importance. She asks what his “ex-girlfriend’s” number should be classified, and he coolly replies, “Red.”
Tae-hee isn’t surprised to learn that Kang-chul is now a very successful lawyer, since he was always at the top in school. The rest of the classmates wonder if Do-hee and Kang-chul are still dating, like they did in school, and Tae-hee suddenly realizes that Ho-gu isn’t around.
That’s because he and Do-hee are slowly making their trek across the bridge, now that the taxi driver kicked them out for being unable to pay their fare. When Do-hee clutches at her stomach, Ho-gu worries if she needs to go to the restroom. She’s annoyed that he remembers she’s been plagued with constipation issues from high school, and then blames him for getting their wallets stolen.
A high school couple walking by catch their attention — it’s Answer Me 1994‘s Dohee and C-CLOWN’s Kangjun.
Do-hee watches them go, thinking they’re adorable — but then again, anything you did at that age was adorable. Ho-gu agrees, saying that no matter what Do-hee did, she was always pretty.
Flashback to their school days, during gym class as all the guys gawk at the pretty Do-hee. But as soon as the game of kickball begins, her competitive side comes raging out, and she makes leaping catches of every single ball, easily getting the other team out while her team stares at her in amazement.
Back in the present, Kang-chul’s secretary tells him that she’s leaving for the day. She then adds that she thought his ex-girlfriend was very pretty — so why did they break up?
Flashback to Do-hee screaming at her team to run, and then terrifying the other team with her forceful kicks. As she kicks another home run, she celebrates by unzipping her track jacket as she runs about the bases, scoffing at everyone staring at her. What, like they’ve never seen a sports bra before? Watching her as he walks by is student Kang-chul, and present-day lawyer Kang-chul matter-of-factly tells his secretary that the reason he broke up with his girlfriend is because “she’s scary.”
Do-hee and Ho-gu continue to walk because they’ve got no other choice, but once they reach the top of a hill, they look back at the lights in the city. Ho-gu marvels at how pretty it is, something he didn’t notice when they were walking through it. Do-hee agrees, adding that people will make a point to go out of their way to see something that’s beautiful from far away, but close up is so dirty.
Case in point: the high school couple sitting on a nearby bench, drinking soju and smoking cigarettes. Do-hee marches over, chastising them for smoking and drinking while wearing their uniforms. But the boyfriend stands up and tells her she’s not his mom, so she shouldn’t tell him what to do or he’ll break her arm.
But Do-hee is no gentle flower, and challenges him back, cursing him out. Ho-gu tries to intervene, but the girlfriend shoves him aside to confront Do-hee. Just about every other word the women yell at each other is a curse word (and the ineffectual Ho-gu continually gets pushed aside), until the girlfriend recognizes Do-hee as the nation’s athlete.
Ho-gu tries to escape with Do-hee by distracting the high schoolers, shouting, “Look! It’s Seo Taiji!” Hahaha! Everyone turns to look, and Ho-gu grabs Do-hee’s arm and runs away. He also takes their cigarettes, soju, and snacks, leaving behind the only money he has on him — a 500 won coin. The girlfriend turns back to her boyfriend, asking, “Who is Seo Taiji?” It’s extra hilarious since that actress played a character obsessed with Seo Taiji in her Answer Me 1994 role.
As they make sandcastles on the beach, Do-hee teases Ho-gu for selecting Seo Taiji as the celebrity the kids would know. (Maybe in 1994, but not now.) He thinks it’s great that they recognized her, though, and he says he’ll be more mindful when he says that they’re friends, since he realizes how famous she really is.
They break out the pilfered soju, and when Ho-gu asks how well she holds her liquor, Do-hee says she doesn’t know — she’s never drunk alcohol before. He’s surprised, because it’s just natural to have a beer or two when you meet up with friends. Do-hee: “I don’t have any friends.”
It turns out two small sips is enough to get her totally trashed, and Ho-gu chases after her as she drunkenly runs around on the beach. She asks him which is more harmful to the body — soju or cigarettes, then orders him to light a cigarette for her so it could “harm her body” and make “this thing inside her go away.”
Bewildered but compliant, Ho-gu begins to light the cigarette, but then Do-hee smacks him on the head, demanding to know why he would smoke in front of her when it would harm her body.
She starts crying, and Ho-gu gently pulls an eyelash of her cheek, telling her to make a wish — but the eyelash flies away before she can make her wish. She breaks down in sobs, yelling after the eyelash to “take this thing from my body because I’m scared.” Ho-gu holds her, trying to comfort her while she weeps, and thinks to himself that her chronic constipation must be really painful. Oh, you naive boy.
Once she finally stops sobbing, he cups her face in his hands, asking if she’s okay. They stare at each other for a long moment, and he goes in for the kiss! Then she grabs him and kisses him back. Sunrise on the beach sure makes for a perfect romantic setting.
At the train station, Do-hee hands over the 300,000 won that her coach wired to her, telling him he doesn’t need to worry about paying it back — her coach has made enough money off her over the years. She also gives him a ticket back to Seoul. She’s staying behind for a surgery.
She shows him the doctor’s note for hemorrhoid removal. But the nervous way she says it’s just like removing a small cyst, and she needs to get better soon so she can start training again, raises some flags. Ho-gu is oblivious, though, and grabs her hand to tell her it will be all right, that everything will be better (or “clean”) after the surgery. Do-hee wonders if that’s really true.
As she walks him to his train, she hands over her silver medal, telling him that he can return it to her on Christmas Day, which is when she’ll return the comics she rented, too. He wears her medal as he rides back to Seoul, barely able to contain his excitement that he has a date for Christmas.
Do-hee sees the pick-pocketing mom from before, and waits until they’re alone in the restroom to confront her. She warns the pick-pocket that if she doesn’t want to be reported to the cops, she’ll deposit 300,000 won to the account number Do-hee gives her.
Angry, the pick-pocket mom yells after Do-hee, telling her at least she didn’t abandon her child. She may not be exactly law-abiding, but she’s providing for her family. Then she stops, recognizing Do-hee. Do-hee: “Do you want an autograph?”
Ho-gu tries to sneak into the workplace, apologizing for being late, and his buddies totally freeze him out — until he admits he was out all night with a girl, and suddenly they’re buddies again, wanting all the details. He refuses to tell them who he was with, but he bashfully admits they kissed, and dreamily explains that it felt like bees buzzing in his ears. That’s sweet, but totally not the details his friends are looking for.
When he finally returns home, he sees a banner hanging up in front of his door, congratulating him on his first night out.
Do-hee arrives at the clinic, pausing before entering when she sees “Seo Tae-ji” on the name board. The doctor takes an ultrasound, letting her know that she’s thirteen weeks along. If she wants an abortion, it’ll have to happen soon. But Do-hee watches the ultrasound screen, marveling how small it looks — like a piece of candy. The doctor switches it off, gruffly saying it’s better to not see it.
She asks him if he knows that he has the same name as the famous singer, but the doctor is surprised that there’s anyone else out there with his name. He doesn’t pay attention to popular culture, which is probably the reason she was referred to him — and he holds up a post-it with his information. Ooooo, the post-it is from Kang-chul’s legal firm. So, when does she want the surgery?
Months go by, and Ho-gu wonders how Do-hee’s surgery went. He sends her multiple text messages, but she doesn’t respond. Even though he clings to the promise that they’ll meet again on Christmas Day, he worries that the surgery was more dangerous than he thought.
One day, as he’s skimming through the newspaper, he sees an article about Do-hee taking a break from training for health reasons. He asks Ho-kyung what hemorrhoids are, and once he realizes that it isn’t something that requires a lengthy surgery, he tracks down Do-hee’s coach to ask if he knows where she is.
But Coach is in the same boat as Ho-gu — he doesn’t know where Do-hee has disappeared to, or why she’d need to go to a specialist to have hemorrhoids removed. He just knows that she promised to come back the day after Christmas.
Ho-gu has another reason for visiting Coach, though, and hands over an envelope of cash to repay the amount Do-hee borrowed on his behalf. Coach asks if there’s something going on between him and Do-hee, reminding him that Do-hee is a celebrity and a national treasure, and he’s fooling himself if he think he can have a relationship with her.
Ho-gu rides the subway back to Seoul, staring at Do-hee’s silver medal in his hands as he remembers when his sister would elbow him in the stomach, and he’d have no choice but to be suddenly awakened from his dream. That’s what it feels like, now — being rudely and painfully awakened from a beautiful dream.
When a very pregnant woman stands in front of him, he immediately leaps up to let her have his seat. Ho-gu tries to be thankful that at least he’s being woken from his dream, but admits to himself that he can’t wake up from it. Not being able to wake up from a dream no matter how hard you try — isn’t that really a nightmare?
As the pregnant woman’s bag spills its contents, he stoops down to help pick up her things. But he stops when he recognizes the comic book that fell from her purse. He looks up at the woman, and it’s Do-hee. He finishes his internal narration with what’s becoming his catchphrase: “My name is Ho-gu. Kang Ho-gu.”
COMMENTS
I love it. I love it all. There’s a delicate balance zany zippiness mixed with a serious undercurrent which has managed to capture my heart and mind in just a few short episodes, and I’m looking forward to seeing how show takes off now that the story is really beginning. It helps that all the actors have completely sold me on their characters, especially UEE and Choi Woo-shik, who are absolutely perfect. Sometimes I have a hard time deciding which face to watch because they’re both so into the moment that I want to see what’s going on with both characters as they react to each situation. (The solution, then, is to watch each episode twice, amirite?)
Even though half the time I feel like I’m going, “Oh, you poor naive baby,” I really respect Ho-gu’s earnestness and how he feels so genuine. He’s often ineffectual, but he’s not helpless. He’s sincere and wants the best for everyone, even if it’s at his expense. He may nurse a broken heart at times, but he never blames anyone else for his failings. He’s a nice guy, but he’s not a Nice Guy.
Which is probably why Do-hee feels comfortable enough with him to let him into her life, however brief it may seem to her. She doesn’t have any friends, but Ho-gu is a good friend, no matter who you are. He’s the kind of guy you can lean on and trust, and while that may have gotten him used before in past potential relationships, Do-hee doesn’t seem the type to use him.
Her affection for Ho-gu, whatever it may be, seems sincere enough. Even though she knows he had a crush on her in high school, she doesn’t use that against him to get her way — she’s too matter-of-fact to manipulate anyone. While there were definitely some sparks flying during that sunrise kiss, I get the feeling that Do-hee just really wants someone she can trust and rely on — a friend.
Then again, much as I want a romance between these two (because there’s definitely chemistry there — hello, sunrise kiss! — plus mutual respect, which makes it all that much hotter), I’m really looking forward to Do-hee learning how to be a friend. In return, maybe Do-hee could teach Ho-gu how to stand up for himself. Or at least he could learn a few new curse words.
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1 Mama J
February 12, 2015 at 2:26 PM
OH, I love this so much. So very very much.
You captured everything perfectly. There's just this SWEETNESS to Ho Gu, an earnestness that you have to respond to; and UEE takes what looks like a snappish kind of person and shows her own earnestness, her own wish for some connection, however short -lived.
And then on top of THAT, we get side characters - friends, family, even the secretary at the law firm - and they're all people you want to watch.
Three cheers for Ho Gu!
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Julia the Berkshire Beanie
February 13, 2015 at 6:51 PM
호구 Hogu means PUSH-OVER. ha! Sweet leading man.
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Afterrain
February 15, 2015 at 8:27 AM
Does anyone else gets a Madeleine vibe while watching hogu's? I mean that movie from 2002, with JoInSung.
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2 sfgirl
February 12, 2015 at 2:27 PM
I really enjoy Ho-Gu's family dynamics. He has a really supportive and fun family. (Isn't the dad the daddy from Spy?)
I also like the friendship between Ho-Gu and Do-Hee. She appears tough and he is so soft and it works so well. But of course we see that she is not all prickly hard edges.
I was totally chuckling at the Seo Taeji reference. "Who is Seo Taeji"!! Yoon-Jin from Reply 1994 won't approve!
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avenus
February 13, 2015 at 6:49 AM
"(Isn’t the dad the daddy from Spy?)"
Hahaha! Same thing went through my mind.
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3 don'tknow
February 12, 2015 at 2:31 PM
The most unexpected drama this year for me. I'm in love with all the characters already.
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4 justanotherleo
February 12, 2015 at 2:36 PM
Wow, this looks like a fun watch. Will start it during the upcoming hols after I finish watching the last four episodes of Healer.
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nomad
February 12, 2015 at 3:20 PM
me too, I'm going to wait until this drama has about 4 episodes out...but I'm loving the recap already! Thanks for it odilettante!
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5 dangerousgoods
February 12, 2015 at 2:41 PM
Woo~! So glad you've recapped the second episode, I've been waiting with bated breath to read someone's insight into my new crack drama! While I know why Do-hee's expecting (dang you, spoilery knetizens!!) it'll be a wonderful, wild and poignant ride to see how Do-hee and interact; seeing how Do-hee lets Ho-gu inch by inch into her life, and how Ho-gu grows and develops his outlook on life from this. Fingers crossed for more sparks, of course, but I'm all for kindling a steady and true friendship first, before our OTP realise and appreciate each other's true worth and character :)
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blueribbon
February 12, 2015 at 6:04 PM
Lol, I know right I got that part spoiled too, oh well...
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6 emi757
February 12, 2015 at 2:45 PM
Thank you, odilettante. Your recap is definitely pulling me in. I haven't watched any episodes yet but I have put this in my to watch list. I'll probably catch up this weekend. Looking forward to it.
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7 tweetpandora
February 12, 2015 at 2:58 PM
Am glad you girls are continuing to recap this. It has a very different feel from the regular romcom and am intrigued to know what will happen next. I LOVED the cameo from Dohee and the Reply 1997 references, so funny.
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8 h3lla
February 12, 2015 at 2:58 PM
I really wasn't expecting this undercurrent of emotion, especially not after the hilarious first half, but somehow I'm all in my feelings only two episodes in. I'm really excited to see what the show has in store. I find that the harder I laugh, the harder I cry when something drastic happens. Here's hoping this show won't dehydrate me.
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9 pjk
February 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM
Love, love, LOVE this drama! The characterization is perfect. Waiting for the next two episodes is making me jittery. I feel like Kang-Chul isn't the baby daddy....it just seems so obvious. I'm hoping there is much more to the pregnancy story/aspect of the drama. Maybe she was sexually assaulted (but then again there are really no red flags in the drama that point to this)....but I just don't see Kang-Chul being the dad lol. Ho-gu and Dohee's chemistry is amazing :) Really excited for what is to come!
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10 Heal-er
February 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM
I love all the jokes and cameos. Kim Tae Hee's name, Chie Oh, Seo Taiji (lol), Dohee hahaha. I wonder what will be the reaction of Hogu's family and his 2 nerdy friends if they meet Do Hee with a child. Lol
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11 CaroleMcDonnell
February 12, 2015 at 4:27 PM
I've been avoiding romances and waiting for unkind women. But this just totally swept me away. Thanks for recapping.
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12 Kimmy
February 12, 2015 at 4:29 PM
I love this. LOVE THIS. It's so adorable. I like the attention to detail and the cutesy manhwa openings/episode titles that actually have a deeper meaning to them. Love it.
That's it - TvN is my station for all webtoon adaptations haha.
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13 Dongsaeng killer
February 12, 2015 at 4:34 PM
So much love for this show!!!!! Agree with your comments completely.
Thx for the recap :)
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14 Khule WY
February 12, 2015 at 4:42 PM
When he said Constipation, I think I was shocked because I was laughing but no sound was coming out of my throat. Like who would even think that.
It came to me as I was reading your comment, that I was always like Hogu,in being naive, always there to be used and taken advantage of, trusting everyone, believing the best in people no matter what, then 2 years ago earth shattering events occurred and since then God has and is opening my eyes and I keep realising what a complete fool I was.
I pity Hogu and past me because until that bubble he's in is popped, he won't stop being a fool.
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15 owl 🦉 🫰
February 12, 2015 at 5:08 PM
This drama is so easy to watch. It's the equivalent of the high school 's popular quarterback and the cheerleader couple, graduation, sleeping together resulting in pregnancy. Of course we don't know yet if Bang Kang Chul ever called Do Hee, but I am guessing either way they're not together. Except for the possibility that he finds out for the first time that he is the father(I know that is also a assumption and I am prepared either way), then it could get complicated if Go hoo and Do Hee decide to try and make a post high school life together. I hope they build shared dreams. One thing Do Hee has going for her is competition and drive, which played into her decision to keep the baby (along with the timely single mother thief's comment). I want to see some happiness come of this for Do Hee and Go Hoo.
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owl 🦉 🫰
February 12, 2015 at 5:09 PM
Gosh Ho Goo I mean, sheesh!
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16 4D
February 12, 2015 at 5:57 PM
I'm really enjoying 2015 so far....so much to love! This is really enjoyable. It's only two episodes in so I don't want to get too far ahead of myself but I'm so happy for Choi Woo-Shik. He's deserved a lead and I think he's doing a great job. I find myself grinning throughout the episodes without even realizing it. I hope they can keep a similar tone for the whole run.
I also hope that the pregnancy is not as straight-forward as they're hinting at. And while he hasn't been on for much screen time, I hope they do something interesting with Seulong's character.
I think there's a lot of fun with the side characters as well. So much potential in here and I'm excited to see what they do with it.
I did snicker a little when they all were picking on Ho-Gu for being naïve and trusting the mother and baby....and then our cynical heroine turns out to have been robbed too. I hope they let him keep some of his naivety, because I think it's, as you say, what sort of makes him a nice guy (not Nice Guy). He's genuinely kind and loyal but he's not really a doormat even if people sometimes think he is.
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17 William Schwartz
February 12, 2015 at 5:58 PM
So was anyone else kind of shocked by the negative character development here? Do-hee knows that she doesn't have any friends because she's a selfish jerk, and rather than try to fix that by trying to be a better person, Do-hee decides to listen to the homeless pickpocket and cause problems for other people with the justification of "I'm doing it for my kid" rather than the usual "I'm doing it because I'm a selfish jerk". Seriously, if you have to steal from people to take care of your kid, that's a pretty good clue you're not cut out to be a parent.
To be clear, I'm shocked because it's so compelling. Usually negative character development is the result of bad writing. But here it is absolutely within the bounds of Do-hee's personality to make such a poor decision, and it sets up so many great possibilities for Do-hee to finally realize how immature she really is.
Thanks for the write-up odilettante. Obviously you're looking at this from a more casual end than I am but that's cool. This is a very interesting show and I think it's way more fun to discuss if the few write-ups that exist are coming from totally different angles.
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capricorn
February 12, 2015 at 7:42 PM
Good point about Do hee... Honestly Do hee's is so unlikable in the drama.....not sure I care enough to find out what happens to her.
I personally feel that so far this drama is not pulling it off in the romantic comedy department...it isn't romantic and I don't find it funny. I just feel really sorry for the fool -
Hogu.
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18 peaches
February 12, 2015 at 6:00 PM
what bothered me was how the woman vilified women who have abortions, and said that stealing to support her baby was better than abandoning (in this context, having an abortion) it. i avoid pregnancy dramas because of how this same idea is always present, that having an abortion is evil.....but i really like this show has been executed so far, and the power dynamic between the two leads, so i think i'll stick around.
that said, it would be nice if there could be a drama where abortion was more frankly discussed. like, there's a japanese drama about a 14-year old who gets pregnant and decides to have a kid. i didn't watch it when it aired even when my classmates were talking about it because i thought it was ridiculous beyond words. stories that address social issues should think about their consequences if they choose to portray it from a certain angle and that angle only.....
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William Schwartz
February 12, 2015 at 6:24 PM
I'm generally inclined to agree about how it's annoying the way most fiction tends to do this. Most of the time abortion really is the sensible option, and Do-hee's situation is definitely one such case.
For the moment, though, I'm willing to give Hogu's Love the benefit of the doubt on this because (1) Do-hee has clearly been telegraphed as a person who acts impulsively for the wrong reasons, and (2) the woman villifying the idea of "abandoning your child" has no moral credibility, and the only reason that line has any impact at all is because of Do-hee's emotional situation.
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4D
February 12, 2015 at 6:38 PM
I agree in a lot of ways that I'm rather over the way abortions are portrayed....I actually think the mother was not talking about abortions. I think obviously our lead saw it that way and it affected her, but to me it seemed like that mom really meant giving it up for adoption. While lately Kdramas seem to be showing single moms in a slightly better light, it's still extremely hard for single mothers in Korea. A lot of places will not even hire single moms and the pressure from all areas generally means the woman is completely abandoned by everyone and has no means of income. There are a lot of varying stats but the number of unwed mothers who give up their children for adoption is really high, and a lot of it is not really because they want to. So I think this mom really was saying that despite society pressuring her to not keep the kid, she was going to find a way to survive with the child no matter what.
I happen to be the child of a single mom and in general a lot of the ways single moms are shown in kdramas has me really uncomfortable. Not just the aftermath of having the child, but also how single moms come to be and supposedly what their feelings are. It's still very much a single image. But I think this show has a lot of other elements going for it so I'm choosing to sort of overlook that bit for now.
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no name #6
February 12, 2015 at 6:58 PM
That's interesting. I really didn't even think of the pickpocket's words that way. I guess I really just took them at face value. But I can see how Do Hee might read more into it than that, and how that might (maybe) have influenced her decision to not go though with the abortion. It will be interesting to see what more we learn about her reasons for deciding to have the baby in later episodes.
And I didn't necessarily feel that the show was coming at this from some moral high ground, saying that abortion is always wrong. Do Hee didn't go through with it, but there might be some other reason.
As for TV shows with a more realistic/not so black-and-white abortion storyline, I can only think of Friday Night Lights. Which I would normally feel kind of weird about bringing up here, but since that Super Bowl post...ha. Friday Night Lights and kdramas meet again.
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emily
February 12, 2015 at 7:07 PM
the drama seonam girls high school recently shocked me with a surprisingly mature and realistic take on abortion- the girl had initially wanted it but then she realised how it would affect her future and went for the abortion. it was heartbreaking how much she had to struggle without being able to talk about it or admit to hurting because of the stigma surrounding teen pregnancy and abortion. but yes it was shocking because not used to kdramas going such a route- usually they back out of it
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William Schwartz
February 12, 2015 at 7:21 PM
Even in the West it's very to rare to see serious discussion of abortion because no one wants to insult single mothers. It's why they're often portrayed as selfless, noble martyrs for choosing to give birth.
The trouble is, from reading various research, I've found that most single mothers really don't fall into that category at all. Usually they end up giving birth because they're lonely and want to feel loved- the same melancholy that resulted in them getting pregnant by an unreliable partner in the first place.
My personal experiences also bear this out. No single mother I've ever know has ever been an aggressively bad parent, but almost all of them have been highly dysfunctional and reliant to a significant extent on family to moderate their worse impulses.
By contrast, if you read abortion testimonials, these women are extremely concerned about the welfare of the child. Often they'll state, quite explicitly, that they think it would be selfish of them to bring a child into the world that they can't take care of.
All of this underpinning as a big reason why I'm so interested in Hogu's Love. "giving birth because she's lonely and wants to feel loved" sounds like an absolute perfect description of Do-hee's motivation right now, and I don't think I've ever seen any drama from any culture ever do a story where a woman wants to be a mother for bad reasons, even though this happens in real life all the time.
Of course, won't I feel foolish if the next episode ends up acting like Do-hee was being noble all along...
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peaches
February 12, 2015 at 8:20 PM
ok no, i want a more frank discussion about abortion and it's frustrating to me because of how it's tied deeply with religion, denying agency, esp. in the west, but i don't condone this stereotyping of single mothers, i think it's disgusting. in my first post, i am not saying that the single mother is to blame or that there's something wrong with her for choosing to give birth. i'm talking about how it's portrayed in fiction.
my personal experiences?? have you met every single mother in the world? that is the flimsiest way to support an argument ever.
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William Schwartz
February 12, 2015 at 8:43 PM
How is it stereotyping? There are good single mothers and there are bad single mothers. And yet even though the latter definitely exist almost all of the single mothers we see on TV are presented in a nigh-angelic positive mode.
If you want a frank discussion of abortion the only way we're going to get there is if we admit there are situations where it's the most reasonable option. And that means acknowledging that some women at certain points in their lives just aren't cut out to be moms.
Do-hee is one of them. And I don't think this makes her a stereotypical monster. To the contrary it makes her a real person with actual flaws, to the point I can actually root for her to learn from her mistakes.
Because of Reasons
February 12, 2015 at 9:38 PM
There are some parts of your post that I'm not going to touch, but with respect to the first paragraph, I think you might be confusing cause and effect.
Abortion is still an extremely morally and politically fraught issue in— I could say the West, but really I'm thinking of the USA and parts of Latin America, for reasons tied closely to religion and patriarchy. Portrayals of single mothers as selfless and noble for choosing to give birth can be seen as a product of anti-abortion discourse, which seeks to discourage women from having abortions and to commend them for keeping their babies and "choosing life" and what have you.
So the reason we're not seeing serious discussion of abortion isn't because "no one wants to insult single mothers". It's because abortion is still very controversial, especially in the political arena. If the popular entertainment media doesn't want to stir up contention by acknowledging that in some cases abortion is a valid/better choice, then a way of sidestepping that, while staying pretty much on the good sides of both the anti-choicers and pro-choicers, is by portraying single mothers, women who choose to keep their babies, as predominantly noble and good-hearted and brave and admirable and loving. That's a consequence of people not wanting a serious discussion of abortion, not a cause.
(By the way, the media vilifies single mothers often, especially working-class, non-white single mothers. So there's that too...)
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William Schwartz
February 12, 2015 at 11:33 PM
Actually I agree with everything you wrote there. It's very much a cyclical presentation issue, so the line between cause and consequence can get to be rather blurry.
But yes, the portrayals we see in media regarding single mothers and abortion are definitely at least partially the result of a detente between liberal and conservative political factions. Everyone can agree on a positive portrayal of motherhood.
Where this gets to be problematic is that "motherhood" ends up being a catch-all phrase for anything even vaguely involving agency on the part of mothers, even when that agency is used to make poor choices. Sort of like how well-meaning "support the troops" rhetoric ends up being used to rally support for things that have nothing to do with the actual safety of the soldiers.
My post from a couple back may have been a bit broad, so I apologize for that. This has been one of my pet issues since college actually- I've written papers on how the rhetoric involving abortion and single motherhood contrasts sharply with testimonials by actual women involved in those situations. Perhaps this comment thread wasn't the best place to bring that up...
(even if I still think Do-hee's character is interesting for all the reasons stated)
blueribbon
February 13, 2015 at 12:06 AM
Single mothers in Korea are not well looked upon and yeah it is hard for them to get government help. Eat your Kimchi made a very interesting video about single moms in Korea, maybe it will make you look at things differently...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0SyJpn5Fp8
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neverending
February 13, 2015 at 10:54 AM
Well, abortion is still a controversial topic ethics wise. It's not wrong to have a stand on the issue. Anyway, I don't think the woman was trying to vilify those who have abortions. I think sometimes people think too much about these issues in dramas. You say that "stories that address social issues should think about their consequences if they choose to portray it from a certain angle and that angle only". But say if they choose to portray abortion differently, the plot can only move on if the woman regrets her decision. And I don't see any difference in the outcome if the story really progresses like this.
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peaches
February 13, 2015 at 1:34 PM
@neverending There is no such thing as "thinking too much"- TV, film, books, etc. are all meant to be looked at through a critical lens. That line by the stealing mother wasn't a throwaway line, it had a purpose and in that context it meant abortion- even if it wasn't actually the reason why that Do-Hee decided to have the baby. Yes, it's not wrong to have a stance on an issue, but it's wrong if that's the only one that's portrayed in fiction. I agree with Because of Reasons post about the reasons why it's not portrayed though, because I know it to be true. Christianity isn't at all a dominant religion in Japan, but the way that abortion is portrayed negatively there too is likely to be due to the low birth rates as well. And YES about the point about how POC single mothers are depicted.
"But say if they choose to portray abortion differently, the plot can only move on if the woman regrets her decision."
I disagree- there are plenty of ways to depict abortion in fiction and have the story progress without having the character regret her decision.
@William Schwartz stereotyping-->"The trouble is, from reading various research, I’ve found that most single mothers really don’t fall into that category at all. Usually they end up giving birth because they’re lonely and want to feel loved- the same melancholy that resulted in them getting pregnant by an unreliable partner in the first place. My personal experiences also bear this out. No single mother I’ve ever know has ever been an aggressively bad parent, but almost all of them have been highly dysfunctional and reliant to a significant extent on family to moderate their worse impulses."
But as I said before, I'm not a) criticizing women who choose to give birth over abortion b) condoning stereotyping/mistreatment of single mothers, I was just expressing my wish for this issue to be discussed more frankly even though I understand the political/religious, etc. barriers.
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William Schwartz
February 13, 2015 at 5:31 PM
Oh, sorry- I was just stating my own opinion in response to your own. I didn't mean to put words in your mouth, or come off as confrontational...sorry. It's a bad rhetorical habit I picked up from the academy.
As for "what if there had been an abortion", I think the story definitely could have moved on as just Do-hee using the abortion as a wake-up call to change her attitude. Whether that would have actually happened I don't know. As you mentioned, there's unfortunately very little diversity in the way most media portrays these issues.
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19 blueribbon
February 12, 2015 at 6:07 PM
Thanks for the recap, I am so happy dramabeans picked up this drama to recap. I love everything about this show... specially hogu's naive heart.
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20 wakekke
February 12, 2015 at 6:57 PM
The moment, when we all didn't expect this drama would be like this kind of balance. I mean we all expect the dorkiness of this show but they surprise us a big jackpot.
btw, I saw the preview of ep 3 and theres a scene that hogu was full of blood, maybe we can see a FTLY baby here. aww no that will make me cry.
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Nessie
February 12, 2015 at 7:56 PM
Omg I just saw the preview too! If Do-hee does lose the baby, then I have a feeling the setup is gonna be that Ho-gu is the one who helps her get back on her feet.
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blueribbon
February 13, 2015 at 12:11 AM
I have a feeling the blood will be either
a) his imagination because of what he says or
b) he was assisting her in labor
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21 porninja
February 12, 2015 at 7:01 PM
Thanks for the recap! Also, kinda impressed that you identified C-CLOWN's Kangjun in the cameo too, heh. Dohee and Kangjun were adorable together.
I was really looking forward to this series and while it hasn't yet stolen my heart, I feel like it probably will soon enough. It's really sweet but I actually wasn't expecting the pregnancy storyline. I didn't realise this was gonna be a take care of the baby and fall in love along the way type of story but now that it looks like it's headed that way, I think it'll be fun!
I still feel like Do Hee's character is kind of hard to pin down - she's too volatile, going from young and carefree to snappish and serious - but I absolutely adore Ho Goo. I want a Ho Goo of my own! Who wouldn't want someone who's so utterly sweet and earnest and will love you wholeheartedly? I swear, my heart fluttered during the scene at the bus station when he held her wrist and comforted her.
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22 drama_nerd
February 12, 2015 at 7:13 PM
Thanks for the recap!! Totally love this drama! Its so funny!
Love the characters! Mum and dad, super cute! Major LOLZ at the banner they put in front of his door! Sister and work buddys, super hilarious! Do-hee, i think i'm slowly warming up to her! She doesn't talk much so i can't say i like her yet but the flashbacks of her are pretty funny! And Ho-Gu, he's so freaking cute! Like how can someone be so cute?!
My favourite scene is when ho-gu was sitting on the bus on the way home from the beach! He was soo giddy and cute smiling cos he just kissed the girl of his dreams! All while wearing the medal that she won! Ahaha! So adorbz!
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23 Aigoooo
February 12, 2015 at 7:59 PM
I have a feeling that this is going to be one of those rom-coms that would pepper us with some heavy drama in the latter episodes like Fated To Love You. It has that vibe of fun and sadness all mixed in. Looking forward to it as long as it is done well.
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24 stars4u
February 12, 2015 at 10:36 PM
This drama totally eased the pain of the fact that Healer has ended! Too much cuteness! I can suddenly feel spring approaching while watching this drama though its still freakin cold.
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25 rhiaa
February 12, 2015 at 10:49 PM
This is super cute!!!
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26 Anna
February 12, 2015 at 10:59 PM
This is by far the cutest thing on TV right now... The premise was not terribly interesting at first but it caught me off guard and now I firmly board this Ho Gu train..
Love it!
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27 Peter
February 12, 2015 at 11:53 PM
I find this drama very cheerful so far, i quite like the characters, Seulong is new for me as a workaholic jerk.
However i'm a bit annoyed to watch UEE's face, seems to have too much unneccessary botox and hyaluron acid etc. Her face is just isn't moving. She's just like Kim Ah Joong here.
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28 hyeyeong
February 13, 2015 at 12:48 AM
Okay, I just love this show! It's so cute and zippy!
Can't wait for more episodes!!
Thanks for the recap!!
xx
P.S did anyone realise that the cameo (Do hee) has the same name as Uee in the show (Do DO HEE)???
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29 ikram
February 13, 2015 at 2:40 AM
Love this drama .i can't wait to see next episode.uee acting is super good
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30 Noelle
February 14, 2015 at 11:30 PM
I love his name. It's sweet when you really think about it. Especially when you see his parents together it all makes sense. Does the sisters name have any meaning?
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31 sanasy
April 3, 2015 at 11:39 AM
Thank you for writing down the song name from the bus! I like that song: Busker Busker - Yeosu Night Sea.
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32 Nana
January 3, 2017 at 11:49 AM
Whoa, I liked the drama so much!!!! I started getting bored watching Goblin and Weightlifting Fairy but this one clearly has different feels on me!
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