Misaeng: Episode 9
by dramallama
The newbies struggle to find their place, as their ambition and vision far exceeds their level of experience. They play their best hand and put their best foot forward, but that’s simply not enough when you’re faced with the adversities of being the new kids on the block. It’s a slow and painful process, in which instant gratification doesn’t exist. But it’s bound to be worthwhile at some point; they’ve just got to learn to be patient for their reward.
EPISODE 9 RECAP
Chief Oh and Dong-shik freeze and stare at their unwelcome new team member, who smirks at their reaction and notes Geu-rae’s impressive luck in his position, considering his lacking credentials. He chooses to settle in at Dong-shik’s desk while the rest of Sales Team 3 remain stone-faced.
Chief Oh requests a new team member, but Manager Kim refuses to comply. He says that Chief Park is a great addition to his team, since he’s had a great record in the company. He tells Chief Oh to compromise and just prioritize work.
In the break room, Chief Oh confronts Resource Team Chief Jung about him recommending this new team member. He knows that Chief Jung has had problems with him, but Chief Jung feigns oblivion and says that he simply didn’t have the leadership to control this guy.
Back at Sales Team 3, Chief Park (Kim Hee-won) calls Geu-rae over and asks him how he passed the intern presentation test and landed his position with only a high school equivalency exam. He condescendingly notes how Geu-rae must have no skills but is pretty enough to be the face of the team. Chief Oh swoops in just in time to take authority and put Chief Park in his place.
Dong-shik and Geu-rae go to the roof for a coffee break. Dong-shik tells him that they’re in for some rough times ahead, and Geu-rae agrees in silence, already having gotten a taste of this horrible new team member.
As instructed by Chief Oh, Geu-rae places a stack of current business proposals on Chief Park’s desk. Chief Oh tells Chief Park to look through the files and figure out if there’s anything worth pursuing. Chief Park obnoxiously reads the business ideas out loud, criticizing and laughing at the practicality of some. He whines and complains that he’s been thrown so much work when he’s yet to adjust and figure out the team’s dynamic. He gets up and leaves, but not before he gives Geu-rae another patronizing compliment.
Baek-ki returns to his desk but stops in his tracks when he sees Assistant Manager Kang. He’d gotten a glimpse of his superior on the day he was in talks with another company, so he knows that he’s been caught. But Assistant Manager Kang doesn’t show any animosity towards Baek-ki. As he leaves for his business trip, he tells Baek-ki to call if anything comes up. Baek-ki can’t seem to look at him straight, and even after he calls to confirm his interview, he’s frozen with guilt.
Overhearing Assistant Manager Ha’s complaint, Baek-ki peeks around the corner to see how Young-yi is doing. She’s taking care of all the minute inconveniences for Assistant Manager Ha — getting coffee, picking up the printed papers, getting the extra stapler — but he’s irked by her behavior. She points out that he’d agreed to let her take over his everyday duties while he takes on the new project alone. Not one to lose in the assholery race, he agrees and orders Young-yi to clean out all the trash bins.
Young-yi does as told, but even Chief Jung thinks that Assistant Manager Ha is going overboard, saying that he can’t order her to do such menial tasks. Angry at Young-yi’s subordination, Baek-ki grabs the bins from her and asks if this is how she plans on being a part of her team. He empties and washes the bins in the men’s restroom, and Young-yi barges in the restroom, flustering Dong-shik. Heh.
When Baek-ki comes out, Young-yi takes back the trash bins and leads him outside to talk. Geu-rae and the surrounding office workers watch this scene unfold, and Dong-shik watches with suspicious eyes, asking Geu-rae if they’re dating.
But it’s nothing close to his suspicions, as Young-yi angrily tells Baek-ki not to interfere in her business in the future. He argues that this isn’t the method to become part of the team and that they — especially the two of them — deserve better treatment. She presses him to answer with a different solution: “Even if I work hard, it doesn’t work. If I don’t work hard, it’s even worse. What am I supposed to do? How to express my commitment to people who are ready to reject me — that’s not something I learned in school. So I’m just doing all the insignificant work because that’s all I can do.”
She tells him to follow his own method and she’ll follow hers. She begins to walk away from a speechless Baek-ki, but then he speaks up and admits his method: quitting his job. It’s Young-yi’s turn to stop speechless, as he walks past her into the office.
Seok-yul runs into his superior by the elevators, and he’s praised for the good work he’s been doing. As a reward, Assistant Manager Sung gives him his credit card to purchase coffee for the team. But the credit card has reached its limit, forcing Seok-yul to use his own card.
When he returns and tells his boss about the credit card situation, he conveniently doesn’t have cash on him to refund the purchase. Seok-yul plays it cool and says he’ll cover the cost, which makes for a very happy boss. But he’s immediately ordered to a list of tasks that would have him up until midnight and back at work for an early morning meeting preparation. To make matters worse, Assistant Manager Sung has a business trip the next day, so all this work is on Seok-yul’s shoulders.
In the break room, Seok-yul reflects on his situation. He has a weird feeling about it, like he’s working a part-time job but not getting paid. To confirm these cheated feelings, he calls Geu-rae and starts to describe the weird situation in which his benevolent boss gives him piles of work, but Geu-rae already understands what’s going on. He ignores Seok-yul as he picks up a call from an unknown caller and immediately tenses up when he realizes it’s Chief Park.
Chief Oh returns to his desk and notices that Chief Park and Geu-rae are both gone. Chief Park finishes off his billiards game while Geu-rae waits outside with a pair of shoes. After winning his game, he tells his billiard buddies that he’s going to a sauna. But he’s not going in his slippers, and that’s why Geu-rae is waiting outside with his shoes. Ugh, this shameless man.
When Geu-rae returns to the office, he tries to slyly throw Chief Park’s slippers under his desk, but his absence doesn’t go unnoticed. They demand to know where Chief Park is and order Geu-rae to call him right away. Chief Park sits in his fancy hotel sauna, brewing with anger. He thinks back to Chief Oh’s authoritative commands and sneers, “He’s a mere salaryman. Who is he to take command?”
Chief Oh comes looking for Assistant Manager Kang, but Baek-ki is the only one there. Baek-ki just stands there as he lets the phone ring, so Chief Oh steps in to take their call. He gives Baek-ki the caller info and extra files for his boss to look over when he returns. Just as he’s about to leave, Chief Oh turns back around to ask Baek-ki (who flinches) if his mind and heart are in the same place. This catches Baek-ki off-guard, and Chief Oh smiles and walks off.
Chief Park is back in the office, and although he tries to lie about his whereabouts, Chief Oh already knows his habits and tells him that going to a sauna during work hours is unacceptable. When Chief Park tries to get friendly by calling him “hyung,” Chief Oh demands that he use proper honorifics in the workplace.
Chief Park finds a business proposal on Halal that he wants to take up and asks Chief Oh for Geu-rae to be his support. Dong-shik tries to step in, but Chief Park uses this opportunity to throw more insults at Geu-rae about his incompetence.
The tense power struggle between the three veterans is interrupted by Manager Kim, who finds the team dynamic lively at first glance. Chief Park immediately puts on a sycophantic façade to greet Manager Kim, who tells him to do his best to boost Sales Team 3. He agrees to do so, but after the manager leaves, he mutters under his breath about his misfortune.
The original Sales Team 3 trio goes out for drinks after work to discuss their situation. Chief Oh and Dong-shik describe Chief Park as a great worker who’s an expert in the Middle East and who once scored the best contracts. They don’t discuss any specifics about his change of work ethic, and Chief Oh decides that they should accept him into the team. “As long as he’s on Sales Team 3, he’s a part of us. Even if we lose work, let’s not lose a person — that’s our team’s principle.”
Accepting defeat, Dong-shik sighs that it’s just Chief Oh’s principle. Chief Oh tells Geu-rae to support Chief Park well with the Halal deal and be patient, which is something he’s a little too good at. Dong-shik tells Geu-rae to stop being patient and stand up for himself against personal attacks, because it seems like he has no pride. But Geu-rae doesn’t seem too convinced.
Back home, Geu-rae broods with a beer in hand as he thinks about Dong-shik’s criticisms. He references his baduk notes, which is basically a manual for life, and he tells us its contents as we get a montage of the newbies.
Geu-rae: Courage is not only characterized by readily jumping into risky situations. Avoiding these situations and silently going on your own path is also considered courageous. It is foolish to be swayed and immediately respond to a counter current. Sticking to your path despite the adversity will be your counter response. Therefore, following your own path is your best defensive and offensive measure.
The next morning, Geu-rae and Baek-ki encounter each other in the elevator. Geu-rae remembers seeing Baek-ki looking into another company and tries to bring it up, but he changes his mind and asks about Chief Park, since he was previously on the resource team. Baek-ki refuses to speak on the matter, saying that Geu-rae is asking him to talk trash behind a superior’s back.
But when they get off the elevator, Baek-ki turns around to give Geu-rae a warning about Chief Park, saying that he can get overwhelming. He advises Geu-rae not to take his words to heart; in fact, he should just ignore them.
Geu-rae delivers the requested documents to Chief Park, and he seems impressed at his thorough research of Halal-related businesses. Chief Oh and Dong-shik nervously eavesdrop, but they quickly get back to work when they realize Chief Park is significantly underestimating their newbie.
Chief Park tries to stump Geu-rae with some basic jargon, but Geu-rae nails all of the terms. Then he speaks in English, and unfortunately, that exceeds the limit of Geu-rae’s knowledge. With that, Chief Park pats him on the shoulder and walks away, but the damage has already been done. Chief Oh and Dong-shik laugh at his childish methods as Chief Park walks away infuriated, calling Geu-rae impudent. Geu-rae: 1; Chief Park: 0.
When Baek-ki returns to his desk, he’s told that Assistant Manager Kang won’t be in today. A member of the resource team rushes over asking for a revised contract that’s due today. He asks Baek-ki to step up and submit an estimated budget and timetable, but he replies that his boss probably won’t approve of him taking care of these matters.
The resource team member contacts Assistant Manager Kang, and Baek-ki nervously awaits the call from his boss. When he receives the call, he lets it ring a couple of times and braces himself before he picks up. Assistant Manager Park asks him to take care of the contract and adds that he doesn’t assume Baek-ki will ruin the contract just because he plans on quitting.
Baek-ki can’t seem to believe the approval and hesitates before grabbing the files for revision. Having found purpose in his position, Baek-ki navigates the company files and finalizes the contract.
Geu-rae hands more Halal research reports to Chief Park, who doesn’t miss a chance to pick on the new kid. This time, he asks Geu-rae to massage his shoulders, claiming they hurt so much. He compliments Geu-rae’s massage skills, and then asks if he can apply those skills for his feet as well. Geu-rae hesitates but swallows his pride to do so. Luckily he’s saved by a call to Chief Park, and he leaves the office to address the caller.
Dong-shik takes Geu-rae to the roof and asks why he’s so passive, wondering if maybe it’s because of his name (Geu rae for “yes”). He tells Geu-rae that it’s strange how he never shows signs of reluctance: “You almost seem like a discharged convict. It seems like you’re doing anything and everything to adjust to society. I don’t know much about your history, but where did you have to come from to be so cooperative and sacrificial? Sometimes, I wish I could know more about you.”
After working through an all-nighter, Seok-yul can barely keep his eyes open to finish his tasks. His department chief drops by and tells him to get some rest. He also mentions that the business trip that his boss went on was not necessary, which gets on Seok-yul’s nerves. Speaking of the devil, his boss arrives from the trip, and as soon as he sits down, he scolds Seok-yul and relays the work he did to the chief without giving Seok-yul any praise or credit.
His boss orders him to continue finalizing the reports, but Seok-yul refuses to follow orders. He admits that he’s got too much on his plate and doesn’t have the time to do his boss’s work as well. His boss takes offense to this, yelling at Seok-yul for not being able to take the workload for the team, claiming to have given the work to him as a learning experience.
Baek-ki is dejected to find out that his drafted contract was rejected by the finance manager. He calls a resource team senior to ask for help troubleshooting, but he’s told pretty much the same thing he’s been told by Assistant Manager Kang: There’s either a critical error or there’s something wrong with the basics. He’s frustrated at the repeated mention of his lack of knowledge of the basics.
Young-yi continues to take care of all the menial tasks and cleans desks at the requests of her superiors. One of her coworkers accidentally knocks over a mug, and of course, she’s the one ordered to clean it up as they leave for a meeting. Geu-rae and Seok-yul step in to help, and Baek-ki also joins in this small gathering.
Seok-yul laments their current situations and advises Young-yi to take a stand in her team. Geu-rae disagrees and starts reciting his baduk life wisdom about how sticking to your path is your defense and offense, which earns him some strange looks from his fellow newbies.
Baek-ki receives a call about his interview the next day, and he confirms that he will be there. Chief Oh passes by Baek-ki but backtracks to help him out, as he’s just coming from the finance manager’s office. Looking over his work, he lightly mocks him for slipping up on the basics and using style that isn’t standard for the company. Chief Oh wishes him luck and teases Baek-ki that even Geu-rae doesn’t use the fresh style he’s come up with.
Dong-shik leaves for the day, and Chief Oh tells Geu-rae to go home too. Young-yi catches up to Geu-rae as he leaves the building and notes that today was another hardworking day. Their interaction is cut short by Chief Park, and Young-yi quickly departs. As she leaves, Chief Park tells Geu-rae that Young-yi will become the next Deputy Chief Sun if she gets married or the next Finance Manager Kim if she doesn’t.
Geu-rae lingers in front of the company and thinks back to Dong-shik’s words about him being a released convict. Somewhat bothered, he calls up Dong-shik and asks him to accompany him home.
When they arrive, Dong-shik meets Geu-rae’s mother, who’s gathering the hanging laundry. Dong-shik tells her that Geu-rae wanted to show him something, maybe like a hidden newlywed wife. She reacts by hitting Geu-rae and scolding him for acting irresponsibly to create such rumors. Dong-shik thinks she’s actually upset, but she clarifies that she’s joking. Her sense of humor completely throws him off.
Dong-shik wonders why the house is so empty. When Geu-rae replies that a discharged convict doesn’t need much, Dong-shik makes it clear that he apologizes for those harsh words. Geu-rae says that he threw a lot of his things away and tells Dong-shik that he used to be a baduk player. He finally reveals his past, describing his life’s commitment to becoming a professional baduk player, until he failed. He threw everything away except for his notes.
He shows Dong-shik his baduk research and notes, and Dong-shik seems impressed. Beside them is another stack of papers with similar notes, and Geu-rae explains that he’s been recording his days at the company in the form of baduk notes, almost like a diary. “In baduk, there’s a method of play in which an expert plays multiple people at once, and the expert usually wins. It’s similar in society, though it’s a little different in that the lower-ranked players need to play multiple games as well.”
Geu-rae has had to play multiple games against multiple experts in society, and he further explains that he’s at a significant disadvantage. While the experts get a head start with multiple stones already set up on the table, he has little chance of finding a way to fit his stones. As newbies, they have an obligation to leave their mark, but it’s fundamentally difficult to do so. Dong-shik listens and nods in understanding.
As Dong-shik leaves, he asks how Geu-rae got into One International. He clarifies that he has a benefactor, who has a connection with the executive director. Chief Oh’s initial repulsion towards Geu-rae now makes sense, since he was brought in through the executive director. Dong-shik asks why the sponsor didn’t get him a job sooner, and Geu-rae says that he did, but he quit. He didn’t hide his baduk past in that job, so all the criticisms were aimed at his history with baduk. After a year of torture, he left the job and went to military.
Dong-shik now understands why Geu-rae was so adamant about hiding his past. Dong-shik shares his struggles, coming from the country. Even after getting hired at the company, he didn’t feel like he succeeded; he felt like he opened a mere door. “It could be that success and failure don’t exist in our world. We may just be opening doors for the rest of our careers.”
We get a montage of Baek-ki pulling an all-nighter at work and Young-yi finding her past company ID card, as Dong-shik answers Geu-rae’s question about success: “Sometimes, even if the contract is broken, you feel like you matured and feel proud.” Of course, Geu-rae compares that to feeling good even after a lost baduk game.
Before Dong-shik leaves, he asks if Geu-rae has a Twitter account, wanting to add him. Geu-rae says that he heard the advice once that being social media buddies with your boss isn’t a good idea, and smiles contentedly as he watches Dong-shik leave.
After his all-nighter of work, Baek-ki goes to the roof for fresh air. He thinks back to his interactions with Assistant Manager Kang, their arguments over his basics, and his misunderstanding that his boss just hated him. His thoughts are interrupted by Seok-yul, who’s also brooding on the roof. He tells Baek-ki to ignore the hierarchy and just butt heads, but that doesn’t seem to be working for him either.
When Baek-ki returns to his desk, he reluctantly calls Assistant Manager Kang for help in revising the contract draft. He seems to know all the parts that Baek-ki didn’t catch and gives him detailed instructions on how to fix them, and then tells Baek-ki that he’ll see him tomorrow. Baek-ki looks at the notes that he took from the call and tries to hide a smile before getting back to real business.
Geu-rae creates a Twitter account (hilariously, @jangokokok) and follows Dong-shik. As soon as Dong-shik gets the notification, he follows him back. We get a look at the newbies as Geu-rae narrates his baduk analogy: “We don’t know what we reveal, but we want to reveal so much about ourselves. Why do people want to confess to others? Baduk defines its world with horizontal and vertical lines. If a baduk board were infinite, if the world were a limitless canvas, would winning and losing be possible? We find a part of that world that’s ours. We reveal ourselves to find comfort and understanding.”
Geu-rae returns to the office with good vibes, but Chief Oh seems to have had enough of Chief Park. He gets up and confronts Chief Park, telling him that he can’t work like this with him anymore.
COMMENTS
Aw man, I knew this episode was too good to end on a good note. But maybe confrontation is for the better. I know my patience was running thin with Chief Park — his constant references to Geu-rae’s high school equivalency exam were enough to irk me. I don’t even think we saw the full wrath of Chief Park in this episode, though the small bits of him we did see were a bit frightening. He seems to have an ego problem, especially when it comes to power and authority, so I wonder what his backstory is. I’m hoping some context will reconcile the misunderstandings about the person he is today and smooth out some of his very sharp and harsh edges.
But having an antagonistic figure in Sales Team 3 definitely showed how close the trio has become. I love how Chief Oh and Dong-shik look over Geu-rae when he has to deal with Chief Park. They’ve got one eye on their work and the other on Geu-rae, ready to pounce if Chief Park attempts to take advantage of their kid. But Geu-rae seems to know what he’s doing. Better than the other newbies, he understands where he stands strategically. Since he’s already been at a disadvantage from the very beginning, he fundamentally understands the concept of pulling back in order to move forward. As much as eagerness is needed, patience is the name of the newbie game.
I love that baduk is that one constant that guides Geu-rae throughout his experiences in the “real world,” and I especially loved Geu-rae’s connection with Dong-shik in this episode. Dong-shik hit the nail on the head with his analysis of Geu-rae. He’ll do anything and everything to adjust to society because he blames himself for everything that’s ever happened to him. He walks the fine line of self-deprecation and self-pity, making him the ultimate underdog. But a quick glance into his baduk-strategy mind shows us that he’s no underdog. He finds significant parallels between work and baduk that sets him way ahead of the game. It’s his mindset and extreme patience that allow him to advance, even if he lacks the skills and savvy of his peers. His life is dictated by his baduk manual, and I appreciate how the concepts of baduk don’t exclusively apply to Geu-rae. The baduk analogy about finding a place for yourself applies to all of them, no matter what skill level they’re at. If baduk really makes you this good at life, I’d better learn how to play.
I want to commend Baek-ki for finally coming to the realization about his skill level and accepting it. I could imagine how crushing it would be to realize that you really don’t know what you’re doing. He had to swallow his pride and put away his stubborn self, and that requires a certain level of maturity, which Seok-yul may still be lacking. Baek-ki’s ambition and confidence got to his head, so I’m glad he got a good reminder that basics precede any desire to succeed. Instant gratification is not a characteristic of salaryman life, and Baek-ki finally drilled this into his head. Good thing Newbie Guardian Angel and Super Salaryman was around to guide him through his crisis. As much as I loved the different focuses on our newbies, we were missing out on some Chief Oh action. But from that ending, we’ve got a lot of Chief Oh coming up. Huzzah!
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Tags: featured, Im Shi-wan, Kang Haneul, Kang So-ra, Lee Sung-min, Misaeng
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1 Min
November 17, 2014 at 2:27 PM
you knowthis has fast become one of my favourite shows. Geurae is behind in a lot of ways and yet I think he has some of the wisest attitudes I've ever seen in a young adult in fact I think it's wiser than even some "older" adults too.
thanks for the recap!
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changhyun
November 17, 2014 at 2:50 PM
Agreed, I'd say a lot of his failures along with has baduk playing has taught him a lot of life lessons. He's also had seemingly great teachers/mentors throughout his life so I think JGR has a great head on his shoulders.
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TS
November 17, 2014 at 4:04 PM
Because of his Baduk training, Geurae is as educated as anyone else here. Frankly, that much mental training should make him a war general!
For everyone on this thread, and my apologies if someone posted this before, here's some info on the game, which was played in China and Japan as Korea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Go.
Baduk looks simple, but it's very deep.
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changhyun
November 17, 2014 at 6:09 PM
I learned how to play as a child and yeah Baduk is really difficult, very deep, and usually takes a really long time (for players like me)! Then again educated in baduk may mean he has a great mind for picking up concepts/strategy/etc but doesn't equal speaking skills, academics, and languages! But it sure does help on the way to learning them.
If this was a sageuk, JGR would be a master tactician haha
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revlow
November 17, 2014 at 10:56 PM
I had a math teacher in high school who taught us Go. Way too deep for me, or maybe I just didn't have the patience. The experience did give me an appreciation for the game.
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2 mishca
November 17, 2014 at 2:35 PM
i liked the part when geu rae brought dong sik to his house. this episode is more about geu rae and the newbies and not about manager oh.
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Aigoooo
November 17, 2014 at 5:06 PM
I really like that scene too. So glad Geu Rae finally has a friend to confide in about his past and the inner workings of his mind. Dong Shik is such a good guy. Sales Team 3 fighting!!
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mishca
November 17, 2014 at 6:57 PM
yes i agree. after that they were than just co-workers, they were true chingus.
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mishca
November 17, 2014 at 6:59 PM
more than just co-workers, i mean..
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united
November 17, 2014 at 7:08 PM
I like how we got to learn how Gue Rae's knowledge of baduk actually hurt his chances at succeeding at his previous company.
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Jon G.
November 18, 2014 at 1:08 AM
Dong-shik has been my secretly favourite character, and I was anxious they would skip over him as merely a plot device character.
The awesome bonding with Geu-rae was therefore very much welcome.
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Newbie
November 18, 2014 at 3:20 AM
Same here. Dong-shik is such a loyal colleague and friend. And he is sexy, too. Love him.
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thursdaynexxt
November 18, 2014 at 10:59 PM
His slightly husky voice, keke!
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dfwkimchi
November 18, 2014 at 4:58 PM
My pet name for Dong Shik is curly top - he is a good counter balance to Chief Oh.
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3 nan
November 17, 2014 at 2:40 PM
Thank you for the recap! Another great ep.
This is somewhat random, but they should really not go so heavy with the makeup for the main leads. The makeup is way too unnaturally pale. Jang Geu Rae's face looks unnaturally pale most of the time. It's somewhat distracting.
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changhyun
November 17, 2014 at 2:48 PM
Besides the fact that pale skin is "trendy" in Korea right now (everyone wears sun screen/tries to protect their skin, even males) I think it's rather accurate. Under the sickly lighting of an office place where you often work late into the night with little breaks and very few breaks. Not to mention that JGR was a baduk player ALL his life hence he is rather weak (his physical appearance was made fun of before) and he would already be pale.
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nan
November 17, 2014 at 3:05 PM
Not if you consider that his face looks a lot more pale than his neck in almost all the shots.
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Rainbowfish
November 17, 2014 at 3:29 PM
We saw him working out last episode. Strong body = strong mind and all that.
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PPasun
November 17, 2014 at 3:48 PM
I don't think they had to paint Im Shiwan paler than he already was. Especially since ISW is notoriously fair and florid, even more so than women wearing makeup, and they actually had to tone down his natural lip color which was too red and bright for the camera.
Maybe it's because I am Korean, I didn't notice any scene where his face was visibly lighter than his neck. I don't understand people making issues out of non-issues.
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alexis
November 17, 2014 at 4:01 PM
?? I just stated my opinion, I found it a bit distracting. If you feel otherwise, great. I'm not trying to "make an issue" of anything, and it's not my fault if you choose to see it that way.
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TS
November 17, 2014 at 4:05 PM
Good point.
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Sue
November 17, 2014 at 5:46 PM
I don't know if they do anything to his skin, but the director said in an interview that they actually tone down Siwan's lips with computer effects because they are too red in real life. I'm taking a guess here but I'm guessing the paleness is also a choice to keep things muted in the office. If they could make it black and white and get away with it they probably would.
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Tulipsaki
November 17, 2014 at 5:50 PM
That sounds likely too. I love the muted colors in this show. It adds to the grey office atmosphere.
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thursdaynexxt
November 18, 2014 at 11:02 PM
Yeah, agree with some of the commenters that it's probably part of the muted office setting colour scheme.
Plus, apparently it's an "office syndrome" where people who work indoors with fluoro lights tend to have Vitamin D deficiency cos they don't get enough sunlight. Office vampires, then!
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4 changhyun
November 17, 2014 at 2:46 PM
Fantastic episode, I love the fact that Dong Shik has learned more about JGR and that JGR has finally opened up about his past. I honestly wondered when everyone was calling him useless and asked what he did for the past 26 years of his life why he never told them he was a semi-pro baduk player. But the show already saw through that and JGR explains that when he told people that in the past they stereotyped him into a single-minded and rigid person. Once again the writers are doing an amazing job.
The introduction of Chief Park has been amazing, and I know what you're thinking, if you guys watched this episode like I did...I wanted to scream and cuss this guy out like crazy but you've got to admit that this guy is a good actor. He's playing his role so well and it reminds me of Joffrey in Game Of Thrones, I hated him so much to the point of almost hating the actor until I realized I had to distinguish between the two. I felt so triumphant when he had to pettily resort to using English to trump JGR who memorized all the trade jargon. Hah!
We're finally starting to see more development from Seok-yul. This sort of confused me. Yes, the boss is kind of sleazy for handing off his work to his newbie and yet both Seok-Yul and his boss are overworked. I think it's a case of both of them being in the wrong so I don't know how to side with. Is it Seok-yul feeling that he bit off more than he could chew? Like he's getting more than what he signed up for or is the boss actually mistreating him (the part with the coffee was a little sad. $9 for a freaking coffee...and yet in Korea it can be like that)
I think a question that is posed to us as the viewer is whether to agree with Dong-Shik or with JGR. Dong-Shik compares JGR to a convict who can't say no and can't refuse anything while JGR is just silently and patiently waiting it out. Of course, those who watched episode 10 knows how things work out (somewhat) but I thought there was definite truth in JGR lacking a bit of confidence and having a spine. At some point, you DO have to stand up for yourself and yet JGR has wisdom beyond his years as a tradesman and as a team player that lashing out is not always the best method. Solid episode, can't wait til' next week!
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Min
November 17, 2014 at 2:54 PM
I do think that the boss is taking advantage of Suk Yeol... but it's not something that is unusual.
I think it could be considered a form of hazing, to find out just how much it takes to break a newbie, but if the newbie keeps taking it without questioning or asking for a reason it can can continue and become very overwhelming and fill the newbie with resent and anger against his boss.
If the boss wasn't taking advantage of Sukyeol he'd share the credit for the jobs completed and not keep it to himself. It shows poor EQ and managing skills.
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Aigoooo
November 17, 2014 at 5:18 PM
His situation actually happened to me when I first worked at an office. I was the quiet person in the corner who just observes and does his job. Co-workers took full advantage of it by gossiping away whenever the boss was not around, leaving all the work to me then acting busy and taking credit for stuff when the boss shows up. They even tried to blame me for answering the phones too fast, saying I don't give them a chance. lol
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Peridot
November 17, 2014 at 3:00 PM
Hi Aj,
I think that Seokyul is in need of an awakening of sorts. He probably thought he could cruise through his job. According to his perception (in the earlier episodes), he is like the golden child to his superiors. He was definitely taken aback when he was assigned a ridiculous amount of work. While I believe that he has a lot of maturing to do, I am glad that he voiced his dissatisfaction. The status quo might be that everyone is overworked, that the company is prized above all else, etc., but at some point a stand has to be taken. There might be cultural differences in the way that work is approached and in the way that relationships (both vertical and horizontal) are negotiated, but I still think that we can see when the line between cultural specificities and abuses is crossed. We need people to stand up. But griping and acting unprofessional are other issues. Was any of that clear?
As for Geurae, I think something else is at play. He is observant and wise. His feelings toward his self were expressed in the first two episodes, I believe. He kept attributing his past failures to his not having working hard enough (at least in his mind). His passivity may be connected to that, but I do not think I would be quick to call him spineless. For some personality types, it is just too hard to say what one feels and thinks.
Anyway, thanks for your interesting thoughts.
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Peridot
November 17, 2014 at 3:02 PM
I meant to say, "I hope that was clear" in my section about Seokyul, lol!
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news
November 17, 2014 at 5:39 PM
I don't think GR is spineless or passive. Through baduk, he's learned to observe and be patient before making his move. I think he's just choosing his battles carefully and waiting for the right time to go in for the win.
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Peridot
November 17, 2014 at 8:30 PM
I agree that he is not spineless. There is a level of passivity, but I think it is related to his strategy of coping/understanding/dealing with his work environment (and life in general). But I agree that there is more than passivity at work.
changhyun
November 17, 2014 at 8:49 PM
Thank YOU for your thoughts! A lot of good points!
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PPasun
November 17, 2014 at 3:25 PM
Yes, the boss is kind of sleazy for handing off his work to his newbie and yet both Seok-Yul and his boss are overworked. I think it’s a case of both of them being in the wrong so I don’t know how to side with. Is it Seok-yul feeling that he bit off more than he could chew? Like he’s getting more than what he signed up for or is the boss actually mistreating him (the part with the coffee was a little sad. $9 for a freaking coffee…and yet in Korea it can be like that)
I think Seong Daeri, his boss, made Seok-Yul do all the work that he should have done himself (a phone conversation with the Canadian buyer re: the polyester contract, around midnight no less, and preparing for a breakfast meeting for the executives which required SY to be at the location/hotel by 5:30 a.m. the next dawn). His excuse was he was going on a business trip early that same morning. However, the next day, their boss praises Seong Daeri for working really hard, thinking that he, not SY, stayed until after midnight to talk to the Canadian buyer and then went on a business trip, which the boss, as a side comment, says was not necessary by the way. So I totally understand SY for being mad at Seong Daeri. And yes, talk about being cheap, making it look like he was going to treat SY to coffee but getting a free coffee from his inferior who must earn way less than him. I have nothing but contempt for people like that. That being said, $9 for two cups of caramel macchiato is not bad. But I think in a real Korean cafe, you will have to pay about twice that amount.
I wonder whether all the newbies except Geurae would have been happier if they were matched up with different daeri's for their bosses.
Seong Daeri and Jang Baekki (Seong Daeri will be happy dumping all his work on JBK and JBK will feel important and ambitious)
Ha Daeri and Han Seokyul (Just the fact HSY is a guy is enough to make Ha Daeri happy and HSY will have fun making faces behind Ha Daeri)
Kang Daeri and Ahn Youngyi (Both seem the strong silent type)
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changhyun
November 17, 2014 at 6:07 PM
Definitely agree with you on the bosses. But there's an even easier fix, Sales Team 3 needs more people so have Seokyul, Yeongyi and JGR all go to ST3 for the #newbiedreamteam. Baek-ki doesn't seem to like Mr. Oh all that much but still respects him as a sunbae I guess.
And GREAT point I can't believe I missed that when it was so obvious, I forgot that SY was the one who set up the meeting/breakfast whatever and it was his boss who got credit for it. I feel so much worse for SY now because when he openly complains to his boss (sorry I may be mixing up episode 9/10) I felt like he just needed to man up and do his share of work but now I understand he's doing all the work and getting no credit...
And on the point of coffee, definitely! I was in Korea this summer visiting relatives and I visited so many freaking cafes haha, there were some really expensive ones there ($9 for one cup +$11 for a slice of cheesecake at a famous cafe I went too...) but there were also places that had 1500 won lattes equivalent to a venti at starbucks and they were delicious :)
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Ppasun
November 17, 2014 at 7:21 PM
I think an important point is that SY's boss is going on an unnecessary business trip to get out of the dawn preparation for the company executives' breakfast meeting. I wouldn't be surprised if his "business trip" comprised of a sauna session like Park Gwajang's. He was passing off work that he was required to do himself (non-delegable).
Yes, the best place to look for good cheap coffee is a neighborhood, non-franchised place. They charge about $1-2 for coffee and $3-4 for lattes and cappuccinos, compared to $4-5 coffee and $6-7 for more elaborate drinks in chain cafe shops.
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changhyun
November 17, 2014 at 8:51 PM
I love Ediya & Cafe Bene even though they are overpriced and everywhere though :*(
But yup, the place I went to was a small hole in the wall near HUFS, cheap & great coffee!
avay
November 17, 2014 at 6:09 PM
I'm sure everyone in that company is probably overworked, but I think the blame lies squarely with the boss. Seokyul is right to feel taken advantage of and I'm fairly impressed that he actually refused to take any more of his supervisor's bullshit.
If you look at the scenes with Seokyul's boss, the boss is never shown doing any work. He's either on the phone chatting with friends or looking at social media sites. If he was working like Kang Daeri, I don't think Seokyul would have complained. But it's the fact that he keeps on dumping his work on him while doing nothing that infuriates Seokyul.
I had a supervisor who didn't dump her work on us but didn't really do any work either, and that was incredibly frustrating to be around. She would conduct meetings while shopping online on her tablet or playing games. Do you know how aggravating it is to try to discuss agenda items while your boss is planting virtual corn??
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cafeprice
November 17, 2014 at 9:32 PM
Oh actually $9 is actually quite accurate for 2 cups in korea lol. In my experience, the juices are more expensive haha don't know why
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Jon G.
November 18, 2014 at 2:23 AM
Happier maybe, but both much more boring (from a viewer's perspective) and actually less productive in the long run.
Baek-ki might currently be underemployed, but I think he will be just as dissatisfied when ignored in the opposite way. I think Geu-rae would be perfect for that job, and Baek-ki would probably thrive at Sales-3: He gets the important work AND the recognition for doing well.
For Ass. Ha, I don't think he is half as misogynistic intrinsically as he poses to be. I have been getting subtext fragments from him that seem more on the anxious side than on the despising one. He's just very insecure and happens to be on a team whose culture doesn't help at all (his boss, Mr Park previously, and this other assistant manager). Yes, I know, I sound like I'm defending the MCP here, but we MCPs have to stick together ...
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thursdaynexxt
November 18, 2014 at 11:10 PM
@Jon G. - Yep, agree with you (and your comments at 19.1) about Assistant Ha not being as assy as he initially seemed. This is much clearer in Ep 10.
He may hate having a woman on the team, but he's not dumb, and he's fully aware of Young-yi's ability. That's probably why it irked him even more, that she was smart and capable, despite being a "mere" newbie and woman.
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alua
November 17, 2014 at 3:41 PM
< I think a question that is posed to us as the viewer is whether to agree with Dong-Shik or with JGR.
I don't think we have to agree with one or the other. There's some truth and something good in both their positions.
JGR is wise to be patient and to wait, but Dong-shik is right too when he says that JGR swallows too much.
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Rossi
November 17, 2014 at 5:12 PM
I agree. I don't think the drama sets up for us to debate the merits of Dong Shik's view vs. Geu Rae's view especially since I didn't view Dong Shik's opinion coming from a place of criticism. I think he was hurt and offended on Geu Rae's behalf and that frustration spilled over to his talk with Geu Rae. He obviously cares and values Geu Rae and wants the latter to feel his own worth as well.
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changhyun
November 17, 2014 at 5:58 PM
Good point!
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Kennedy Rose
November 17, 2014 at 3:44 PM
patience is a virtue that not all can have. but the rewards are satisfying. as GR said, sometimes, lying low n keeping cool is the way to survive. some ppl want instant success but that's not how the world works. like mr. oh said previously, sometimes you move so fast, you don't see what's in front of you and you can trip or crash into a wall. and when that happen, it hurts a lot. by being patient, you tend to see more of the bigger picture. yes, you can be seen as meek or spineless but don't underestimate these kind of ppl. they can fight really well when pushed into corners.
is it me or is the resource dept in one international consists of jerks? i pity YY more and more. that girl do not deserve to be treated like that. but, is she punishing herself? am so glad to see BK finally acknowledge that he's just a newbie like the others and therefore have to learn the basics again. the things you learn in school don't necessarily apply in the real world. you have to learn how to adjust. and BK is lucky to have mr. kang as his supervisor instead of someone like mr. ha or mr. sung.
oh, btw, i feel like murdering mr. park for treating our duckling like a lowly slave. ugh!
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changhyun
November 17, 2014 at 6:02 PM
Yes the resource department are full of misogynistic d-bags but I don't see it as YY punishing herself. Instead, it's her only way of fighting back because if she went on with the project she would just be scorned for the rest of her career her and it would also be worse for her b/c rumors of her openly defying a sunbae would spread around the office.
I think her doing all the menial chores and cleaning and basically acting as a glorified maid is her way of fighting back. She's taking the JGR approach of taking all the punches without throwing one back, being patient and waiting until she gets a chance to earn trust. And I feel terrible watching her and yet I respect the hell out of YY b/c she's not some damsel in distress we typically see in a drama but she's an excellent, intelligent worker who's doing her best to become a salarywoman.
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Jon G.
November 18, 2014 at 2:33 AM
Glorified maid? I agree with the "maid" part, but I might have missed the glorification.
In my (limited) experience, if a team invariably features a certain somewhat unusual trait (like open misogynism), very often this means that the lower hierarchy workers adapted to the standards of the higher ranked people. There is a chance that the assistant managers are not misogynic by heart but only by compliance, so Young-yi's martyrdom might have a chance to succeed relatively bloodless.
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Aigoooo
November 17, 2014 at 6:50 PM
I think she is just trying to win a battle of attrition. He'll (figuratively) keep hitting her until he realizes his hand is broken and she is still standing.
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5 CaroleMcDonnell
November 17, 2014 at 2:51 PM
Thanks so much for the recap.
Who knew I'd been waiting all this time for Geu-Rae to tell someone his soul? Who knew I would be presented with the bestest bromanciest scene in ages? Dong-sik and Geu-Rae forever. Fighting~!
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Peridot
November 17, 2014 at 3:03 PM
I agree. I loved that bit of soul-sharing :).
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thursdaynexxt
November 18, 2014 at 11:12 PM
and that bit where they started following each other on Twitter! awww, hugs!!
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6 Mia
November 17, 2014 at 3:05 PM
Loved the recap! All the characters seem so simple when you see them at first, but their stories are so compelling.
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7 liz
November 17, 2014 at 3:23 PM
I'm sad there will not have love lines in this drama.
I love everything, and the interns helping each other and turning into friends, but a little romance won't kill anymore. I'm not asking for a romantic drama, just a bit hehehe
I don't get why some people are so "NO LOVE LINES PLEASE" hm... if it doesn't ruin the drama and don't take the whole plot, why not? People date in real life, co-workers too. It is life.
Like School 2013, people didn't want love lines, but were crazy over bromance...
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alua
November 17, 2014 at 3:44 PM
I kind of want a bit of a love line, just because I think Geu-rae needs to develop on that front too. As long as it's subtly done, like naturally developed and nothing contrived and overwhelming other story threads, that's what matters.
With everything so well done in this drama, I think the writer could pull this off too.
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liz
November 17, 2014 at 3:50 PM
Yes, that is what I mean. A subtly one, but it seems the pd promised the writer of Misaeng no love lines before doing the drama, too bad :(
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avay
November 17, 2014 at 6:14 PM
I can't even picture Geu Rae confessing to a girl lol. He would be the sweet silent second lead in any other drama.
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Jon G.
November 18, 2014 at 3:10 AM
I don't think it's necessary for him to do a dramatical confession scene. This is not a K-drama in the first place.
There was that random teacher girl who fancied Geu-rae in one episode and who seemed to be rather forward about it. I don't think he would have needed to do much on the active side with her to create some romantic plot content ...
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alua
November 18, 2014 at 1:31 PM
Well, Young-yi can be the one to take initiative.
I don't think it would need to be anything dramatic either. Real life relationships don't always develop as dramatically as TV ones do, things sometimes... just happen quietly.
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CaroleMcDonnell
November 18, 2014 at 4:48 AM
I'm shipping Seok-yul with our beleaguered heroine. Cause it'd be so unexpected. Not gonna happen though. So let Baek-ki have our heroine and the kindergarten teacher have Geu-Rae
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chi
November 17, 2014 at 4:16 PM
there are some "love lines" in this drama!
The adoration Geurae has for Youngyi, Baekki's one-sided crush on Youngyi, Director Oh's wife and him ;)
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newbie
November 20, 2014 at 8:18 AM
true <3
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Rossi
November 17, 2014 at 5:03 PM
I'm also team "Love Line" please because enough of tantalizing hints of that make things so much more fun plus this drama has such a good cast so you know if they bring the emotional longing game, it's gonna be awesome.
With that said, I want to bat away any potential love triangle in the horizon though because that inevitably make me stress out over the one who get left behind :(.
I would like Baek Ki and Youngyi to be #teamMisaengLoveLine because 1) am biased and would really like HaNeul to finally get the girl this time but more importantly which is 2) I think their relationships has been developing really organically. She's the only one he's the most honest with from the confession of his quitting plan to his frustrations at her decisions. He obviously has a touch of the Youngyi because he always seem to be so awared of her at every single moment whereas with Geu Rae and Youngyi, their vibe read more "awesome friend" to me especially since Geu Rae is a lot more wrapped up in his relationship with Chief Oh and Dongshik.
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AJK
November 17, 2014 at 6:55 PM
I'm not really in favor of a love line either but if there was one I'd also like to see Baek Ki and Youngyi together because I'm in total agreement with your #2.
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growingbeautifully
November 18, 2014 at 2:13 AM
Where Geu Rae is concerned, I'd really like it if he could bump into that cute Kindergarten teacher again, since she already evinced an attraction to him.
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Aigoooo
November 17, 2014 at 5:33 PM
I am not against it but, having watched way too many rom-coms, I am finding this drama to be a nice little break from all that shipping.
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Jon G.
November 18, 2014 at 1:18 AM
I think a full-blown "love line" is impossible to blend in with the show. The individual episodes cover very little time, sometimes only a day or a few days.
All of the main characters are justifiably preoccupied by their work, the only kind of "love lines" that could coexist in that setting would be slow-burning ones. And we already have those.
A more aggressive love line would almost certainly become a romantic plot tumor.
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alua
November 18, 2014 at 1:34 PM
I think no one's for a full-blown love line anyhow.
It could be as simply as them spending a bit more time together and then maybe in the final episode going a date (nothing out-of-the-ordinary, but something very simple)... basically leaving us at the very, very tentative beginning of a relationship, with viewers having to imagine what the future might or might not bring.
Anything more aggressive, including a love triangle (uhhh!), would be seriously out of place.
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8 tweetpandora
November 17, 2014 at 3:32 PM
In this episode I really really wanted to shake/slap Geu-rae into some action (but he so redemeemed himself in the next episode, won’t go into it here), but I still luf our puppy. My urge to want tos lap Chief Park won out, the actor who plays him (Kim Hee-won) is brilliant at making you absolutely hate him. I don’t know how many times I rewound the part where Young-yi goes into the men’s room and Dong-shiks reaction! Misaeng has so many of these lol wetting my pants from laughing moments in the midst of all the struggles and hardships. I loved the growth in Bark-Ki in this episode and his realisation of what his boss has been trying to teach him (I think I have a crush on his boss). Poor poor Seok-yul, I have to say this is the first episode where he actually won me over, I was still harbouring resentment towards him from the first 2 episodes, the show wouldn’t be the same with out him.
Question: why is Geu-rae’s twitter name @jangokokok funny?
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tweetpandora
November 17, 2014 at 3:37 PM
Ah wait is it because his last name is Jang and he is Geu-rae is yes or ok? LOL, that took a while to get.
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Aigoooo
November 17, 2014 at 6:14 PM
Kdramas almost always like to put meaning to the names of their protagonists especially their heroines.
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changhyun
November 17, 2014 at 6:15 PM
Yup, "geurae" means ok/yes so it's essentially @janggeuraegeuraegeurae hahaha I love that the writers put that in there. They make even the mundane things so funny! The part where YY just storms into the bathroom had me cracking up as well, especially when he awkwardly walks out and just mumbles as he sees her waiting at the entrance.
And Baekki's boss is definitely awesome, he's definitely one of the good bosses around there esp as a lot of people openly respect him. Props to Baek-ki's team to also putting up with him while was acting a bit whiny.
Episode 10...JGR completely made up for his patience :) What a feel good moment.
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Kennedy Rose
November 17, 2014 at 11:11 PM
yup. ep. 10 made me feel like a cheerleader for ST3.. pom-poms and all. and all that patience and tolerance come to a very satisfying end!
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growingbeautifully
November 18, 2014 at 2:21 AM
I too like Chief Kang, although I cannot agree with the way he 'trained' Baek Ki to begin with. But at least he is professional enough to not be sulky or insulting with him and he is patient and gives him the benefit of the doubt. What a great boss!
*** SPOILER? ***
I hope Chief Kang does not get into trouble because Park used to work under him and Kang approved the shady project that Park did. My heart sank when I heard Kang's name mentioned in relation to Park.
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trisha
November 17, 2014 at 10:19 PM
Guys, GR's twitter account is real and the only one he follows is Dongshik's. but I dont know if it is him or not. And to bad he hasn't tweeted anything.... kekkekek
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Nessie
November 17, 2014 at 11:47 PM
I know! I was thinking are those accounts gonna stay, beause I'm pretty keen on following them haha
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Newbie
November 18, 2014 at 3:27 AM
Ha, ha! I knew they'd do this! :D
This show.
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Jon G.
November 18, 2014 at 3:12 AM
As for the texting icons that are used in the show:
I understand Seok-yul's "dog wall", and Geu-rae's "YES", but what's up with Young-yi's "O2"?
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Y.
November 18, 2014 at 6:46 AM
I guess it's because of Oxygen, as in being necessary for him to 'live' (let's not forget his very first day, when she was the only one helping him). Oooor maybe it represents her given name's initials (ㅇㅇ).
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Sun
November 18, 2014 at 7:09 AM
0 is pronounced as "young" in Korean, and 2 is "yi". So 02=Young-yi.
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Jon G.
November 18, 2014 at 7:20 AM
Thank you!
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9 alua
November 17, 2014 at 3:34 PM
I just love this show to bits. Highlights:
-Young-yi telling Baek-si to mind his own business. I love her, she's wonderfully strong and trying her best her own way. Baek-si means well (will give him credit for that) but he only has one way of seeing things at the moment. He has a lot to learn.
-Poor Geu-rae was being treating awfully by the atrocious Mr Park. I feel sad for him when Geu-rae says nothing (if I were in the office I'd try to shut up Mr Park, either by directly telling him to stop judging someone on having a GED or by somehow constantly interrupting when he starts talking like that)... but Geu-rae fortunately has some inner strength (though I still think this kind of treatment hurts him in some way – he does need to learn to stand up for himself too).
-Loved the bonding between Geu-rae and Dong-shik, with Dong-shik learning more about Geu-rae. Not only was it lovely to watch (friendship/mentorship developing), but also characters like Dong-shik usually are very flat and underdeveloped in dramas. Here, he's actually got a role. And it is a role that matters. In small, but significant ways. It's Oh - Dong-shik - Geu-rae that form a team together, you can't take anyone of the three out of that team. And I love that.
Mostly, I just love pretty much everything about this drama. I can't believe we are half-way through!
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alua
November 17, 2014 at 3:37 PM
And the whole Twitter/FB thing....jajajajaja! Hilarious.
In reality, Geu-rae and Dong-shik are probably not that far apart in age, and I do think these kind of friendships can be wonderful too.
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Kennedy Rose
November 17, 2014 at 11:16 PM
ah, but did you notice how even team 2 are disgusted by mr. park's treatment of GR? and when he told GR to massage his feet, mr. ko was out of his chair, ready to tell him off. i wonder what will happen if the phone did not ring at the moment...
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alua
November 18, 2014 at 1:29 PM
Yes, they were, but I wanted them to speak out loud already, not the phone "stopping" it all.
Being disgusted is a start, but it still came down to passively watching...
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thursdaynexxt
November 18, 2014 at 11:19 PM
Yes, it speaks volumes for the sheer shamelessness of That Guy (I won't dignify him with a title!) that he doesn't care about how others are uncomfortably reacting to his words/actions. He's never even shown Chief Oh the proper respect, either.
He acts like he's a one-man show and as long as the attention's on him, good or bad, it's all okay. Grrrr.
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Jon G.
November 18, 2014 at 1:33 AM
I'm a bit uncertain about the "new" Sales-3 hierarchy. For some reason, Mr Park seems to outrank Dong-shik and be treated as the direct superior of Geu-rae. It seems like Dong-shik, Chief Oh (and all the others in the room) expect Geu-rae to stand up for himself under the abuse of Mr Park with no intervention by Dong-shik or Chief Oh.
About the Geu-rae+Dong-shik bonding, well, so far, Dong-shik has been a somewhat underdeveloped and used mostly for plot forwarding and exposition. I liked the contradictory character bits he was given (loyal but amoral etc.), but I didn't think they would actually make him a character. I'm happy.
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10 flowerlady
November 17, 2014 at 3:47 PM
Baek-ki and Chief Oh can work together. I think Chief Oh is willing and ready to teach, and Baek-ki would be a good student under his teaching, this episode showed this so well. Baek-ki is formal and Chief Oh comes over and tells him like "just relax", explains to Baek-ki what he needs to know, laughs at him and pats him on the back. Chief Oh is my hero....I will probably say this every week.
Fighting Chief Oh and Baek-ki.
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11 TS
November 17, 2014 at 4:08 PM
Not impressed with either the training at this company nor Baekki's boss. The interns, and the newbies too, should've been trained in the right programs and formats. Waiting for them to figure it all out is a waste of time and energy.
And, if there's certain things Baekki needs to look out for, Kang should've said so right up front. He's as much to blame as Baekki for this situation. Perhaps he's being nicer now because he realizes that (or perhaps he doesn't want to be blamed for losing an able body).
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Rossi
November 17, 2014 at 4:53 PM
I do think Kang's teaching method can get infuriating because it can be rather opaque but there's something to be said about trusting your student or mentee to be capable enough in figuring out the situation for him or her self. I doubt that if Baek Ki was guided step by step through the "basics" he would have learned as much since he had always believe that he was above all of that. Baek Ki needed that moment of revelation that no, he doesn't know everything as well as the also very important understanding that it's ok to appear stupid because that's the only way you can learn.
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news
November 17, 2014 at 5:47 PM
In my experience, there's no training (if any, very minimal like just a summary) in the corporate world. It's not that seniors don't want to train or teach newbies; there's just no time for it. Everyone's busy. Being observant and quick on the uptake are keys to learning quickly and finding success.
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Tulipsaki
November 17, 2014 at 5:56 PM
But it's normal to get examples of how to do things. That at least would've been done as an intern. If a person doesn't even know that, then there's something weird re their internship program.
Bad managers suck. Definitely this one was hostile to having an overachiever there, but he also seems to feel sorry that he pushed the newbie into looking for another job. Anyway, we can look at this as dogs fighting for seniority: new puppy comes in and annoys older dog with enthusiasm and determination to play, as well as just by being new, and eventually the two of them snap it out.
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news
November 17, 2014 at 6:36 PM
Yes, but he's in a different department now, not the same one where he was "trained" and wowed everyone with his overachieving self. The resource team is full of misogynist alpha males so his confident ambitious personality was appreciated.
In the beginning, BK's interaction with his boss was shown from his perspective so it seemed like Kang was hostile. But from Kang's perspective, he observed an overly confident and naive newbie who showed no respect or understanding of the department and their system. He didn't approach his job like "I want to learn, I have a lot to learn". He had the audacity to submit his own plan on the first day which is pretty disrespectful.
I think Kang is a fair boss who sees that BK is talented but still has a lot to learn. I don't think he felt sorry that he pushed BK to his limit. BK was just fighting with himself and needed some growing up to do.
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iamdeb
December 8, 2014 at 1:10 AM
Great insight...
news
November 17, 2014 at 6:14 PM
I think Kang intentionally left on a "business" trip to give BK the chance to learn and truly understand that skills acquired in school and internships are not necessarily skills that are useful in the workforce, which is basically what YY said to him on the roof top.
It's easy to dismiss the relevance and importance of the basics, but they serve as a solid foundation for streamlining, organization, consistency and accuracy.
My geeky self truly appreciates how much it's emphasized in Misaeng.
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Jon G.
November 18, 2014 at 1:42 AM
I don't think that's true per se. I've been working in a local branch of an international US-based company and they were VERY focused on training. I had two managers, one for the operative side, the other one for personnel development.
The personnel manager was accessing my strengths and weaknesses and problems with the team and projects, recommended training programs (and in some cases, he recommended switching to other teams) and we discussed what kind of additional skills I want to develop. It was encouraged to spent around 20% of working time for continuous dedicated training (that is, training that is NOT part of the running projects).
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news
November 18, 2014 at 4:33 AM
It's great you went through a good training program. I did say 'in my experience though' which would pertain to the field I'm in and not all professions in the corporate world. Misaeng shows just one aspect of corporate culture which a lot of people seam to be able to relate to in one way or another.
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Jon G.
November 18, 2014 at 4:46 AM
Yes, of course. There is actually a lot of diversity in corporate cultures (even within the same country and branch of trade), and unfortunately a huge number of companies take the "attrition of personnel" approach and many are financially successful that way.
AJK
November 18, 2014 at 4:54 AM
As much as I love this show and I really do, it has not been my experience that big corporations throw new hires into work with no training. First, most big companies (I speak only of US based because that's my experience) are understaffed since people costs (retirement and health care) are a a constant target of the bean counters in Finance - so the resources you do get are necessary and need to come up to speed quickly. It's one of the reasons corporations even bother to invest in internship programs which are non-revenue generating. And second, companies can't afford the time and expense of fixing the mistakes of newbies. Training is cheaper and more efficient than the alternative and a manager who consistently neglects the training and development aspects of his job is shooting himself in the foot and head.
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news
November 18, 2014 at 7:32 PM
@ AJK and John G.
I'm interested to find out what is being taught in the training programs both of you mentioned.
It goes without saying that not all managers are great. But simply b/c there's no training program doesn't mean a manager (and I know AJK you're not saying this per se) neglects training and development. Sometimes training, learning and applying while on the job are what sticks (i.e. in the way Chief Oh is training and GR is learning and vice versa). That's why I mentioned that having great observational skills and being able to catch on quickly are really important...and maybe not easily taught or learned in a training program - more like what you would pick up on the job or innate abilities based on personality.
I actually had two assistants (at different times - one after the other) who were like GR and BK and I similarly responded in the same way Chief Oh and Assistant Manager Kang did. My GR assistant required little "training" b/c she understood the basics (so I could teach her the next level of skills) while I had to sit down w/ my BK assistant and tell her not to focus on the industry skills; I didn't expect her to know everything since she's new and will learn as she goes, but I expected her to be organized, accurate, and consistent (I gave her examples) - skills that are necessary for clear communication, working fast and reducing mistakes.
Anyway, I just think Misaeng is pretty brilliant in showing different working styles and ways of learning and managing.
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thursdaynexxt
November 18, 2014 at 11:39 PM
@news: "I just think Misaeng is pretty brilliant in showing different working styles and ways of learning and managing."
Yes, they're really good at covering the variety of people who all keep the office running, despite their differences!
We get insights into people at different stages of their work life and different rungs on the career ladder, with different personal situations, and they're all portrayed in a way that's pretty true to life.
thursdaynexxt
November 18, 2014 at 11:30 PM
I'm not sure they showed the full training period for the newbies after they were officially hired?
I might've misheard, but I thought Assistant Mgr Kang once referred Baek-ki to the company manual for the right way to format an Excel sheet (when he said BK's layout was newer, but it wasn't the way the company did things)?
Plus, the newbies got a training session from Deputy Chief Sun, who's pretty high-ranking. I've worked in big companies, and I can guarantee we barely even got an orientation from the HR Manager!
So I assumed the One International newbies went through the proper training, and we were only being shown the post-probation adjustment period...
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MikeyD signed up
October 18, 2018 at 11:18 AM
Something similar happened to me an my old ad agency job. Given an unfamiliar (abscure) application to work on, no manual, training or examples, and the one person familiar with it hated so refused to help. Welcome to corporate culture
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12 PPasun
November 17, 2014 at 4:14 PM
My favorite quote from Misaeng so far.
"순류에 역류를 일으킬 때
즉각 반응하는 것은 어리석다.
상대가 역류를 일으켰을 때 나의 순류를 유지하는 것은
상대의 처지에서 보면 역류가 된다.
그러니 나의 흐름을 흔들림 없이 견지하는 자세야말로
최고의 방어 수단이자 공격 수단이 되는 것이다."
"It is foolish to show immediate reaction to a countercurrent.
From the opponent's point of view, maintaining my current when he/she creates a countercurrent becomes his/her countercurrent.
Therefore, the proposition to hold fast to my flow without faltering becomes the best defense and offense."
I just love this drama so much.
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CaroleMcDonnell
November 17, 2014 at 4:42 PM
I loved "when your opponent makes a clever move/dirty trick, you respond with a proper move."
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Ppasun
November 17, 2014 at 5:37 PM
That's a good one, too. Mine actually changed or rather one more favorite added after watching the 10th episode.
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13 chi
November 17, 2014 at 4:20 PM
This drama must be so fun for the actors to shoot too! You don't often get these kind of roles in kdramas, especially as supporting character.
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14 peaches
November 17, 2014 at 4:47 PM
i just finished watching you from another star (i know, i'm way behind) and so it was great seeing the actor who played the good cop playing chief park- facial expressions and everything, spot on. i love it when actors can play good and bad characters and pull it off- e.g. minister min in queen in-hyun's man, who also played chun song-yi's dad in you from another star^^
also agree that a love line would be interesting too- of course, it shouldn't take center stage, but be realistic and subtle, a part of his life. i really think geu rae and young-yi's characters would be good together, what with their mutual respect.
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changhyun
November 17, 2014 at 6:16 PM
He's an acting veteran and a great one, mad respect
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backspace
November 17, 2014 at 7:23 PM
Yeah.. While watching I kept thinking where have I seen this actor before? And I realized, oh he's the detective in YFAS!
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Ppasun
November 17, 2014 at 7:41 PM
He was also the Buddhist monk and papa gumiho's BFF in GFB.
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15 Rossi
November 17, 2014 at 5:22 PM
I think perhaps Seok-yul has the most layers to his character. Obviously he's the comic relief; he's also acts like a fishwife with his gossip which in a way make him more like us, the audience, because his ability to flit about and gathering intel means he's a bit more omniscient than his mates. But he also has his own anguish and hero's journey of discovering himself. I also think it's interesting how in term of attire, he's the most non drone like with his more flamboyant prints and colors. While most of the guys wear white shirts and suits, he wore polka dots, stripes, etc. It's an interesting visual way to show that one is not like the other in this corporate world.
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Adal
November 17, 2014 at 8:58 PM
Very good point and a great observation! Looking back I agree with your comments, he does dress so flamboyantly and is so at ease with himself, you'd mistake him for someone who's been at the job forever instead of a newbie.
My heart bleeds for him, at first, I thought he was coasting by, the only newbie who didn't have any issues at work, but then I find that just like the other three - he also has issues fitting in.
One unwritten rule of the culture at One International is the Hazing that all newbies are subjected to. It seems no one is excluded from it.
Geu Rae went through his as a newbie intern, so by the time he was assigned to his permanent team, he'd already made fast friends with his team, his issue now is no longer fitting in with his team, but being ragged by his new team member, Chief Park.
Baek ki thought he was a superstar, but got assigned to a boss who saw him as overly confident, and didn't bother showing him the ropes until Baek ki checked his attitude at the door and realized he knew next to nothing about the basics of working in the Steel group, now he's a new man with an attitude of wanting to learn. Funny thing is, now, no task is too menial for him, he's willing to do anything. His hazing process was having a boss who didn't assign him anything until Baek ki was forced to start looking for a job in another firm.
Young Yi works for a bunch of misogynistic pigs, who humiliate her at every turn (they are rightfully threatened by her competence). Her direct boss has an attitude and a mouth that needs to be washed out with soap (what's with HR, that employees can't complain about being verbally insulted?). She's fighting back by playing maid (which I think is an awful strategy, I don't see how you can win anyone's respect by demeaning yourself and hope to be proven wrong).
Seok-yul has a lazy boss that practically dumps everything on his lap and takes credit for his subordinate's work. That really sucks (I've been there). It will be interesting to see how Seok-yul fights back. What was most interesting to me was that even Geu Rae was aware that Seok-yul's boss had a tendency to avoid work and dump it on his subordinate. Now, seeing that Seok-yul is as savvy as he acts, how is he going to get out of this situation?
Interesting life choices to be learned from all our newbies.
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loverangel1
November 18, 2014 at 7:31 AM
I agree with you. Actually Seok Yul reminds me of Feste the Fool in Shakespeare's Twelfth Night. He provides the comedic relief yet at the same time he is the standing outside the circle of chaos aka the observer.
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16 mishca
November 17, 2014 at 7:03 PM
this episode also showed how the newbies react differently to their situation.. geu rae and young yi endure hardship while baek ki and suk yeol would voice out their sentiments.
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17 jomo143
November 17, 2014 at 7:48 PM
Thanks for the recap and the insight.
I love this episode. As GR stood there and took it from Park I was yelling, "What's your strategy this time, GR?!" So happy when he revealed it. Also happy that Oh also recognized it - that GR's strength is patience.
Frankly, nobody can beat him in a long game, despite having no real life experience. He has seen and fended off every sort of attack. Luckily he is so smart he recognizes the patterns from his business attackers right away.
I love this show. I love this episode. Every character is so well cast and so well developed.
I wish they made this like Ten and VP - several seasons with lots of stories yet to tell.
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18 d3in
November 17, 2014 at 7:48 PM
I just love the Mr. Oh's team motto - Even if we lose work, let’s not lose a person- and his attitude towards people, he even tried to accept Mr. Park and dissuade BK's decision.
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19 Adal
November 17, 2014 at 8:32 PM
Gah!
It's hard to see that her team has done a number on Young Yi's self confidence. Girl! Stand up for yourself! Not working on a project with your mean spirited boss does not equal making coffee and picking up the trash!
I don't understand Young Yi, isn't she at liberty to refuse when superiors ask her to do menial jobs that are clearly meant to humiliate her? Or is this a NO in Korean culture? As a temp, I was once asked to make coffee and the look on my face was enough for them to have a change of heart and decide to make their coffee themselves, needless to say I didn't get the job at that firm, but I did keep my self respect, and moved on to bigger and better jobs in other firms that demanded my expertise.
On the other hand... glad to see Geu Rae make a true friend of sorts.... warms the heart, and I'm glad he felt confident enough to bring him to his home.
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Jon G.
November 18, 2014 at 1:55 AM
Well, her "gambit" was to become the personal slave of the assistant manager Ha in return for him to do the project. Of course, mobbing is a team sport, so the whole team goes out of its way to "help" Ha with this.
Ha tries to get a "No" out of her as an excuse to drop the project, and he becomes more and more irritated by (a) the shamelessness his team displays and (b) the determination of Young-yi not to give him the "No". I love the actors expression, btw. (in a way, his gaping irritation schemata mirrors Kang So-ra's own acting schemata).
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thursdaynexxt
November 18, 2014 at 11:44 PM
I love how brilliantly Young-yi's tactic is working (esp in Ep 10) on Assistant Mgr Ha.
If there had been the least bit of resentment or grudge-bearing in her demeanour, it wouldn't have worked, but she carries her professionalism to the nth degree even when she's just being a "personal slave" - how can he fight against that? haha
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20 ultramarineblue
November 17, 2014 at 9:06 PM
Thanks for the recap!
Once again Misaeng hit me straight in the feels. I sympathize so much with Geu-rae's view of life even while seeing its pitfalls. The discussion between Geu-rae and Dong-shik (<3) also held special meaning for me about the meaning of successes and failures. I really wasn't expecting Geu-rae to open up about his past so soon as well but then I realized it wasn't soon; we're already on episode 9 lol. Noooooo I don't want it to enddd ; _____ ;
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21 Pearl~ai88
November 17, 2014 at 10:29 PM
Lots of rambliness this ep:
First of all, Chief Park MAKES ME SOOOO MAD!!! I was screaming death threats at my screen and leaving angry all caps comments on viki, LOL. like, DON"T YOU DARE TALK TO MY NOBLE, SWEET, HARDWORKING GEU RAE LIKE THAT!!! ARGH!!!*~~~~deeeeep breath~~~~*
Anyway...This drama has done such a good job of getting us on Geu Rae's side and calling up our protective instincts that seeing him put in such a demeaning situation and constantly stabbed right in his most insecure places is truly painful and infuriating. Also, seeing GR's rock-solid patience and self-control (especially in ep 10), just impressed me so much with him all over again :) Actually, it reminded me of Chief Oh at his best- they are both so humble and steady. You already resemble your hero quite a lot Geu Rae!
Secondly, bless the writers for developing Baek ki's character so well! I was really hoping we would get some believable growth for his character and I was not disappointed. You can see exactly when he realizes the thing his manager was trying to tell him and he matures so much right in that moment. His attitude does a complete turn around, and yet it was so well motivated. We understood all his motivations and frustrations up until that point and then we could also see how difficult and humiliating it was for him to admit his mistakes and ask for help. I'm so proud he got past this and I'm really glad I get to like KHN's character more now X3
Lastly, Seok Yul, I feel ya man. In that scene where he confronts his manager he looked so pained. I think he already knew that he couldn't really win against the hierarchy, but he still brought it up anyway. He was trying to "butt heads" as he's been saying to everyone, but his argument crumbled in front of his sunbae's unreasonable claims- that little moment where he just can't say anything in return killed me. Our confident SY reduced to silence! :( I sympathized with his dilemma a lot and I hope he hops on the development band wagon we've got going and discovers the value of a more indirect attack.
In short, Misaeng continues to be a stellar drama with great character development all-round. Pretty sure Young-yi's past is next week, can't wait!
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Kennedy Rose
November 17, 2014 at 11:27 PM
hey, pearl.. take a number.. there's a looooong queue to bash me. park on the head. LOL. i never thought i could be so protective of a character in a korean drama(heck, ANY drama). i was spluttering, hopping mad and wish i could reach into the screen and smack mr. park. heh.
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flowerlady
November 18, 2014 at 6:32 AM
"We understood all his motivations and frustrations up until that point and then we could also see how difficult and humiliating it was for him to admit his mistakes and ask for help. I’m so proud he got past this and I’m really glad I get to like KHN’s character more now X3"
This was SO WELL said! I totally agree with your opinion. KHN is such a versatile actor, he was the highlight of Angel Eyes in my opinion, his smile is contagious. We haven't seen it much here in Misaeng, however sure am looking forward to it.
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22 Haru
November 17, 2014 at 11:18 PM
Misaeng really hits all the right spots in terms of how it is in the working world. There are a lot of boss douchebags out there. This newbie hazing has happened to me a couple of times. I am now in my 5th year of working at this place where I got tortured during my first year. But I am still around, which means that I am a masochist and have Stockholm syndrome. Watching Misaeng is both depressing and at the same time a great opportunity for me to reflect on my present job situation. I seriously want to leave, but at the same time, fear leaving. I know that it's not because I will not find another job. AT least on that point, I am pretty sure that my profession is in high demand. It's just me not finding the courage to stand up for myself. I end up in this cycle where I can't stand it anymore, but end up surviving another day, having eye bags like Mr. Oh, having metaphorical drink sessions; and just getting tired to make those concrete steps to make a change in my life. Misaeng gives me that push to reflect and to be honest with myself; and in-your-face tells me to just reset my life and stop being a pushover. Yes, it is the classic beaten-wife syndrome at work. Misaeng gives me hope and I love JGR's snippets of Baduk wisdom. I guess it sounds pathetic that I find comfort and support from watching drama--but that is the power of art and a good drama.
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flowerlady
November 18, 2014 at 6:35 AM
"Fighting!"
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thursdaynexxt
November 19, 2014 at 12:08 AM
I hope you find your answer soon, Haru, or some kind of peace and resolution!
I know it's not as simple as a dollar equation, or a list of pros vs cons, and after you've been with the same company for many years, it's not easy to uproot and leave everything you've built there for yourself. Maybe it's worth asking if the same problems would be likely to recur in a new job, and if so, whether it's worth staying and fighting?
I too find that Misaeng brings home insights on topics that are sometimes scarily spot-on in terms of timing and career. For example, Dong-shik's speech about continually opening doors struck a chord with me - I once reached a dead-end in an awful job (the job wasn't awful, but the people were!), and decided to move sideways to another role, which later opened another door.
And you're totally not alone - I also take heart from watching the newbies find their place and find allies and mentors in the corporate jungle.
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23 Nessie
November 18, 2014 at 12:15 AM
For me one of my favourite moments was Geu Rae's mom interacting with Dong Shik. I think subtle humour runs in their family, like you can totally tell Geu Rae knew his mom was tricking Dong shik, but he just totally played along and let it slide. I hope to see more of this side of him in the future. His development with Dong Shik is so sweet, it's nice to see him opening up more and more.
I feel terrible, but I am actually really enjoying seeing Seok Yul face trouble. I find it refreshing to see him struggle. His character development is even later than Baekki which makes sense in a way, since he seemed to fit into his job the easiest during the beginning. I'm anticipating how his challenges help shape him in the office. In a sense I also feel he's quite similar to Baekki, in challenging the status quo. Unfortunately his boss seems to be quite a jerk too, so he's gonna have quite a challenge ahead of him. Favourite Seok Yul bit was when he gave everyone nicknames and called Young-yi "the tormented maid" I just couldn't help laughing haha
Baekki's self realization is quite tremendous, I think now that he's finally humbled himself down to learn. He'll really find his purpose and enjoyment in working in his team. Manager Kang's method of treating Baekki may not be the best, but I do respect how he doesn't bash Baekki from doing things wrong, or laughing at him. Instead he tells him and teaches him, knowing that he is now ready to listen and learn.
Chief Oh is basically everyones yoda. I feel there's a bit of a special connection between Baekki and Chief Of, because he did help Chief Oh back when they had that difficulty with the Resource team.
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24 kay
November 18, 2014 at 12:41 AM
Thanks for the great recap!
I'm so glad Geu-rae finally opened up and shared his past with someone from the office. Now we also understand why he didn't tell anyone about his experience as a pro-baduk player, it makes sense that he'd keep it to himself when he already feels like he's got so much he has to fight against.
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25 Ju
November 18, 2014 at 1:26 AM
Thanks for the recap ! Chief Oh is really Yoda for all the newbies and he has different ways for approaching each of them. I could look at him like that, going around, in a whole episode.
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26 Andrew
November 18, 2014 at 1:49 AM
Thank you for the awesome recap!
Misaeng has influenced me in so many ways. After the 5th episode, I started learning baduk. I watched many video tutorials and even installed an application in my phone! Let's see if I could also be a semi-pro like him lol. I take all Geu Rae's advice to heart. This drama is just simply refreshing to watch and I just wish this show could last forever.
Hats off to the production team and casts of Misaeng! This is definitely going to be #1 in my list.
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27 sheeki
November 18, 2014 at 2:57 AM
I really hate that Assistant Manager from Resources, I want to smack his face so hard that he can't do that annoying smug face ever again.
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28 mangtaeNuna
November 18, 2014 at 5:31 PM
I'm learning a lot watching every episode of Misaeng and thought of my own work life. Looking forward to it every week!
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29 thursdaynexxt
November 19, 2014 at 12:37 AM
Love the recaps, dramallama, love the comments, and love this Show!!!
Yes, the released prisoner analogy is perfect!
The newbies (except Geu Rae) have so far really underestimated all the unknown variables in adjusting to office life - Baek Ki thought he had all the basics down pat already, Young Yi said she'd been trained on how to get the job done but hadn't been "trained" to deal with team rejection and discrimination, and Seok-yul...well, I guess Seok-yul had never met a boss who was more selfish than him when it came to slacking at work!
I mean, how do you even begin to deal with the situation when you're not aware of how much you don't know? I loved that the newbies were changing tack and trying out each other's techniques.
Loved Chief Oh too for giving Baek-ki a few tips, and especially teasing him that "even Geu Rae" didn't make that mistake! Must also give credit to Lee Sung-min's eye bags - they've got mad acting skills of their own!
Now for Public Enemy #1. I'm not usually a violent person, but my self-control was severely tested whenever "Chief" Park was on screen! I hadn't watched him for 2 mins before I wanted to kill him! He's a walking talking definition of "douchebag". The actor's doing a great job - maybe too good. I hope he doesn't get jumped on in real life when he's walking down the street!
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30 pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
October 18, 2015 at 1:24 PM
Dong-shik and Geu-rae <333
five stars for this amazing show, always <3
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