basically SolSun are a pair of what the kids call cinnamon rolls in human shape, both complete dorks for each other, and started out as both being adorable from episode 1
this isn’t a case of ‘nice girl reforming a jerk hero’ (THANK THE DRAMA GODS) or ‘they have to overcome the little problem that they hate each other because dramas don’t know how to write couples who get together any other way’ (lazy and rarely done with nuance) because he was already such a sweetheart and so….normal, outside of his fame, and she’s adorable, it’s easy to see how they could fall for each other at effectively first sight.
I love how normal and grounded they both are. And also that the show didn’t go overboard with “celeb dating non-celeb” drama. Sol and Sun-jae seem to live in a world where he can have a girlfriend, send her a coffee truck, be seen with her in public and even get engaged without having to apologize to the netizens for it.
I think that from the ‘is this realistic’ perspective, it helps a lot that grown-up Sol and Sun-jae are in their mid-30s by the time they get engaged and – this seems to be a factor – in this timeline, he was never a member of Eclipse so he’s never been an idol (short explanation: crazier fans).
also I think it helps that there have been irl examples of actors getting into relationships without any particular problems, e.g. Lee Jong-seok (b. 1989 to Sun-jae’s 1990) effectively dedicating his daesang acceptance speech to his girlfriend IU without actually naming her, back in 2022, or Ji-sung and Lee Bo-young who’ve now been married for ten years since about the same age.
Thatโs my favourite one of the wedding pictures and is now my screen saver. Photographers are able to capture moments so beautifully. You imagine this picture blown up on the wall in their house/apartment.
honestly this needs to be a model for the finale of every drama that advertises itself as a romcom or a romance of any sort
and rule no. 1 should be – when you have leads with great chemistry, please USE IT instead of pointlessly separating them, refusing to show them acting on any kind of physical attraction to each other (that previous episodes made very clear they do actually feel) and spending time focused on characters no one actually cares about.
Thank God writer-nim didn’t feel the need to drag out the cabbie story. Episode 16 dropping him like a hot potato less than 5 mins in was indeed a risk. But it paid off in spades!! Yes please make this a rom-com default.
Omg when The Cherry Blossom Love Song starting playing my heart dang near fluttered out of my chest 💕 What an amazing fan video! If they do a sageuk together though, no amnesia story line like 100 Days please 😂
The magic of editing. I’m amazed at the number of hours the maker spent in watching the drama, selecting scenes and the splicing them together so seamlessly. The number of days and hours they must have spent. 🙌 💪🏻
It’s practically pro level, whoever does it would be amazing at making movie trailers. And now I want KHY/BWS in a swoony romance sageuk more than ever!
just hearing the music from original Goong combined with the (amazingly edited!) pairing of these two….the decibel level of the internal squeals it sets off in me is something else.
I almost wish it was real but no full-length kdrama remake could live up to this.
fully down the Lovely Runner rabbit hole….. ep 14 wasn’t the first time Grandma-with-dementia knew a bit too much about a timeline Sol already changed!
P.S. the new Bulgari ‘divorce cancellation’ ring is very pretty but when I said I wanted the OG wedding rings back onscreen I meant both of them 🥲 including this one, they should match 🥲
still up in the air on those lost-to-TOD Roger Vivier sneakers – they\’re seen in their shop and removed from their (branded) bag by KSH but too quickly to actually see the brand name. Clever PPL?
yeah the fact that they avoided actually ‘showing’ the brand was what made me think it wasn’t PPL – as in, the shop and branded bag are right there but just not shown or out of focus.
Mind you, it took ? 12 episodes to see a Bulgari brand- and that was with a completely different ring. ( Personally, I liked the original rings better. )
same here, I think their actual wedding rings are prettier and match the ‘we’re a married couple’ concept better too, well at least one of them is back onscreen now! (now for the return of Hae-in’s wedding ring pls)
I’m also wondering about the black hi-tops HW is wearing a lot. No branding, but quite a few closeups. And he wears them whenever he is doing casual. Maybe wardrobe items provided without charge?
re: Queen of Tears PPL -we do have some confirmation of what wasn’t, going by Haein’s multiple Celine bags but the actual logo being blocked out (see also: the department store makeup counters)
easier to launch PPL investigations than seethe over the ending of this week’s episodes! (or cry over the operation)
I think Valentino also forked up – their branded shopping bags are visible this week, as well as their logo on Hae-in’s latest handbag and the cardholder from which Eun-snake pulled her medical info card in ep 9.
I also spent far too much time pausing on rewatch last week, which is how I now know Hae-in and Hyun-woo would not have been in the same year at school (different birth years based on her patient info card and his CV)
and yeah, Hyun-woo’s document in ep 10 shows an ID number starting with 89 (presumably year of birth) while Hae-in’s medical card has a birth date starting with 90. Which makes her just about old enough to have started high school in 2006 since Korean high schools are 10th-12th grade.
random thought but I don\’t think those shoes are PPL. There\’s no branding shown onscreen, they\’re identifiable only by the huge buckle (a RV signature) and no shots of a label or box. Not bad, QOT!
I think the combination of budget and actors meant they could be picky about what they are willing to do for PPL. There is no branding shown for the Bulgari jewelry, and The Subway PPL is notable becasue we have the branding, but none of those cliched phrases about how tasty it is, or how you can choose your fillings.
Kim Soo Hyun has a lot of commercial contracts doesn’t he? I imagine that just getting him to eat a sandwich on screen costs a lot. I’m sure those shoes paid a placement fee.
the PPL is definitely not as jarring as Goblin or Signal-era Subway, but the Roger Vivier shoes strike me as very possibly not-PPL because the script actually makes a point of how they’re not Hae-in’s usual style, were on sale etc.
I mean, even Bulgari gets its branded necklace box shown onscreen when Hae-in is dressing up but the shoes practically got called ugly and cheap (albeit by the villain, the drama makes a point of presenting them as cute and modern) which is a rather unusual way to approach PPL but I appreciate it!
The comments about the shoes are for those in the back who didnโt pay attention to them. Cars are rarely mentioned in dramas but we see the dashboard, interior and lots of angles of the exteriors. Mercedes are all over in this show, we even hear the distinct growl of the sports car. Some brands donโt need to be boxed or mentioned explicitly they speak for themselves. I bet the clothes, even secretary Naโs 2 sec screen shot of her especially bought formal dress for work are all sold out the day the episode airs.
to be fair, when it comes to cars it’s impossible to avoid because there’s no car that comes without its logo on the front (I remember older kdramas actually blurring car grills because presumably those weren’t paid for) so they may as well take advantage of it. Whoever ran PPL on this drama has mostly been doing a really good job – Mercedes, Bulgari etc are brands that rich people would actually wear and use irl.
that said, re: clothes, Queen of Tears was shot over 2023 and delayed from its intended air date – if any of the clothes used onscreen were part of a seasonal collection (which is most of her outfits) they’re probably not available to buy any more but anything in a permanent collection like the Serpenti jewellery, is certainly going to see a lot more interest now.
Definitely PPL. Kdramas have for ever had ppl with no branding shown. The branding then goes around by word of mouth and social media.
Showing the branding and long shot scenes only shows the brand and/or the production agreed on a lot bigger figure.
this particular case is unusual because the shoes got all but called ugly and cheap in-show before becoming like couple talisman #2 (behind their wedding rings) which is not how I’ve known any PPL to ever go. Still smart of the production to arrange it that way and the brand to agree if they did.
it’s actually the smarter way to approach product placement, if you ask me. Doesn’t irritate viewers, product still gets its airtime but in a way that fits in to the story rather than sticking out – wish more kdramas followed that way of doing things.
The shoes had a prime shot with KSH holding both of them and presenting them. And then a shot of her wearing them. And Then a new shot of KSH putting them on her feet in Europe (And was that a different episode? I think so) And THEN they just happen to show up as an advertisement in Elle just coincidentally right when the episodes are airing…
That’s too much to be coincidental.
(Also, just think of the marketing effort behind that- Its probably a newly released shoe, which means that they would have had sample prototypes for filming. And then the ad would have been booked when they knew the broadcast schedule, 6? months ago.)
Also, I expect that the PPL fee does not get paid to the production company until the drama is broadcast, and not unless its broadcast in a reasonable time frame. Problems with the actors and it’s delayed, less or no money. They will be going to the advertisers with in-principle agreements about airing dates already in hand.
(Though at least wardrobe gets to use the shoes whatever happens)
to be clear – the image I posted of the show is from the March 2023 issue of Elle i.e. from one year ago (it’s my copy) so it’s not a newly released shoe as of QOT airing date.
It does however appear to be part of Roger Vivier’s permanent sneaker selection since it’s still visible on their website and currently available on Net-a-Porter, but if it was PPL – which is now likely – they were really smart about it, getting in shots with both leads holding/wearing the shoes in multiple episodes and in-drama dialogue drawing attention to them was a 10/10 marketing move by someone who saw a big picture beyond ‘show the name of the brand’.
I thought Bulgari did well at that with their wedding rings but along came episode 12 and we’re back to the old PPL playbook lol
If its not a new release/recent ad, then there is more chance of actual coincidence/not PPL.
I think its PPL, (but I have been wrong before)
It’s more likely coincidence/not PPL if we saw evidence of empty marketing slots/ inability to attract PPL/ fake brands in the show. And I don’t think we have seen that at all. They are not going to give someone that much promotion for free when they have lots of people willing to pay.
Well Hyun-woo’s car is a Mercedes – we see the logo. His coat is Burberry, we see the distinctive lining when Hae-in hands over his coat and Eun-blah’s grey jumper is Thom Browne and we get lingering shots of his back to see the distinctive tag. All is is just from Episode 12. So the marketing team has indeed been busy wining and dining a lot of brands, even if Eun-want–to-have-dinner was left hungry also hangry!?
The only ‘fake brand’ I can pinpoint here is Hae-in’s beloved Hercyna, which seems to be the QOT-universe version of Hermรจs.
which I can see the necessity for, as I doubt Hermรจs would ever have agreed to be prominently featured in a storyline where the heroine blackmails their president over an extramarital affair to get them into her department store lol.
@seeker lol he can Eun-starve for all I care but he does have nice outfits
Clothes are a bit of an unclear PPL area but the drama’s been smart with them in that all of the brands (obvious or not) are ones rich people would believably wear and not TOO obviously logoed. Like Hyun-woo’s coat lining and the TB in ep 12 and Hae-in’s full-look Dior princess outfit (complete with logoed belt) in ep 1 when she takes that helicopter to get her prince out of his pear orchard.
But 12 is the episode when they really kicked it up with the PPL, I couldn’t help but notice.
I didn’t recognise any of the clothing brands in the show. ๐ I know the names, but I never would have been able to tell a Burberry coat from the lining, or a Thom Browne jumper. (It is fun to read about, thanks) I’m really not the audience those brands are aimed at.
I do recognise Mercedes though.
I’m just treating it as a sort of a drama fun game! The reason I recognize most brands is because many years ago I used to do some work for a high-end shopping mall chain.
After Hyun Woo punched him, I was like “yeap, he’s gonna kill him”, so calling that gangster didn’t surprise me, but the kidnapping really scared me for a sec. 😖 I didn’t see that coming.
I totally thought he was going to kidnap her when he found her at the end of ep 9 but he was dumb enough to leave her alone to scheme then so I suppose he’s now resorted to direct action.
I totally thought it was him with the umbrella at the end of ep 11 but then thought I was wrong, REALLY didn’t see that coming either!
When I saw the umbrella I knew it was him, but I thought Hyun Woo was going to comeback quickly, or at least, that Hae In was going to notice he wasn’t really Hyun Woo.
I didn’t expect her to actually get in his car. And I didn’t expect such an intense car chasing scene. That really scared me, I thought he was going to get away with it.
also the cars – they did well to keep the car chase cuts to prevent you figuring out right away that Hae-in wasn’t in Hyun-woo’s car (the one with the red top)
Eun-slimy bastard
Eun-slime
Eun-snitch
Eun-sociopath
Eun-psychopath
Eun-sicko
Eun-spy
Eun-shark
Eun-sleaze
Eun-suspicious
Eun-sentimental
Eun-substitute (attempted, in place of Hyun-woo, but Hae-in was NOT having it lol)
Eun-shocked
Eun-silly
Eun-stylish
Eun-sabotage
Eun-shady
Eun-son
Eun-schifo (pronounced ‘skee-fo’, means ‘yuckiness’ in Italian, thank you to Annie for that one)
Eun-spiteful
Eun-slug
Eun-Snape (named after a certain other character famous for an unhealthy obsession with a young woman who dgaf and married someone else, only for him to try to destroy her family too)
Eun-fire-ant (invasive species, destructive)
Eun-creep
Eun-bastard
Eun-delulu
Eun-delusional
Eun-@#$
Eun-trash
Eun-stereotypical
Eun-stalker
Eun-scammer
Eun-snoop
Eun-steal
Eun-separation (that’s what you get for lying to Da-hye)
Eun-sadistic
Eun-shut-the-hell-up
Eun-whatever
Eun-viper
Eun-skunk
Eun-stink
Eun-swindler
Eun-Sucks
Eun-misjudgement
Eun-sophistry
Eun-maniac
Eun-psycho
Eun-Smarm
Eun-scumbag
Oh, I do! 🤣
But yes, I think, if I didn’t know that I was PPL’ed all the time in K-drama, I maybe would only see what the rings say about their relationship, because yes, every shot of those rings say something meaningful, other than “Buy Bulgari Wedding Rings”.
I prefer wedding rings that are just a gold band, but apart from that, these rings are pretty nice, and look good on both of them. 💍
As opposed to the horror ring of King The Land. 🤢🤣
exactly – those lovingly shot close-ups of Hae-in and Hyun-woo’s rings aren’t promoting the rings, they’re about the relationship.
Also on a design level the Bulgari jewellery including the rings, is a great choice – distinctive but they look like legit rings that people would choose for themselves irl and not insanely branded or overly ubiquitous or, as you put it, a horror ring 🤣
truthfully I don’t even mind the on-the-nose moments, like Mistress Snake putting on a Serpenti necklace to do her version of villainous cackling! I mean, it was fitting.
I am pretty sure the close-ups do both things. They are very well written into the story. So it’s the best PPL Bulgari could wish for.
I am glad they don’t zoom in on them or work to let the camera focus so the ring stands out, like they did on those bracelets a lot towards the end of Destiny With You.
Like, even in a dark room where they were … you know, … that bracelet was catching the light and was the most visible thing. 🤣
@cecilieDK – it helps that wedding rings have a near-universal cultural and emotional significance across cultures, even when they are branded it’s not about the object, it’s about what it signifies.
And yes, you’re right that it does help that the camera treatment doesn’t give the rings the obvious PPL focus, which keeps attention on what they mean and not what they are – I’ve not seen Destined with You but that scenario sounds unintentionally funny 🤣
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
June 2, 2024 at 11:23 AM
Baek Inhyuk’s face 🤣 the fanwall needs my SunEopTwi dark horse
& ofc SolSun wedding pic (imo a huge part of why SolSun is so loved is because, essentially, they’re a pair of sweetie pies)
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
June 2, 2024 at 11:34 AM
basically SolSun are a pair of what the kids call cinnamon rolls in human shape, both complete dorks for each other, and started out as both being adorable from episode 1
this isn’t a case of ‘nice girl reforming a jerk hero’ (THANK THE DRAMA GODS) or ‘they have to overcome the little problem that they hate each other because dramas don’t know how to write couples who get together any other way’ (lazy and rarely done with nuance) because he was already such a sweetheart and so….normal, outside of his fame, and she’s adorable, it’s easy to see how they could fall for each other at effectively first sight.
โกPeach_Mochiโก
June 2, 2024 at 6:08 PM
I love how normal and grounded they both are. And also that the show didn’t go overboard with “celeb dating non-celeb” drama. Sol and Sun-jae seem to live in a world where he can have a girlfriend, send her a coffee truck, be seen with her in public and even get engaged without having to apologize to the netizens for it.
๐ธ Seeker ๐ธ
June 2, 2024 at 9:11 PM
That was indeed the *lovely* part of the drama. Normalising dating is such a huge step for a K-drama.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
June 2, 2024 at 9:13 PM
I think that from the ‘is this realistic’ perspective, it helps a lot that grown-up Sol and Sun-jae are in their mid-30s by the time they get engaged and – this seems to be a factor – in this timeline, he was never a member of Eclipse so he’s never been an idol (short explanation: crazier fans).
also I think it helps that there have been irl examples of actors getting into relationships without any particular problems, e.g. Lee Jong-seok (b. 1989 to Sun-jae’s 1990) effectively dedicating his daesang acceptance speech to his girlfriend IU without actually naming her, back in 2022, or Ji-sung and Lee Bo-young who’ve now been married for ten years since about the same age.
Reply1988 -โฃ๏ธMother Beanโฃ๏ธ
June 2, 2024 at 1:09 PM
Thatโs my favourite one of the wedding pictures and is now my screen saver. Photographers are able to capture moments so beautifully. You imagine this picture blown up on the wall in their house/apartment.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
June 2, 2024 at 10:36 PM
same – it’s beautiful and romantic. Also from a fashion pov, I love her little tiara headband!
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
May 30, 2024 at 5:32 AM
anyone else see it?
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
May 28, 2024 at 3:35 PM
spent the whole of Lovely Runner ep16 either giggling or swooning I need smelling salts now
but SunSol skinship does tend to produce that effect lol they really gave the people what they want!
abalyn
May 28, 2024 at 5:08 PM
Same!!! I actually think it’s really hard to pull off an ending episode that is this satisfying, even when you get rid of the baddy right away.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
May 28, 2024 at 5:30 PM
honestly this needs to be a model for the finale of every drama that advertises itself as a romcom or a romance of any sort
and rule no. 1 should be – when you have leads with great chemistry, please USE IT instead of pointlessly separating them, refusing to show them acting on any kind of physical attraction to each other (that previous episodes made very clear they do actually feel) and spending time focused on characters no one actually cares about.
๐ธ Seeker ๐ธ
May 29, 2024 at 2:12 AM
Thank God writer-nim didn’t feel the need to drag out the cabbie story. Episode 16 dropping him like a hot potato less than 5 mins in was indeed a risk. But it paid off in spades!! Yes please make this a rom-com default.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
May 28, 2024 at 3:22 PM
my internal โKYAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!โ-ing went to glass-shattering decibel levels at this part, SunSol cuddles and skinship 4ever ❤️❤️❤️❤️
๐ธ Seeker ๐ธ
May 29, 2024 at 2:14 AM
Thank you for the most beautiful of screenshots. Sun-Jae cuddling up to Sol is exactly how I want to cuddly the drama. 😂
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
May 29, 2024 at 3:00 AM
Same here!! I love that episode 16 went all out with the skinship and the ‘let’s take advantage of the difference in height’ moves lol. 😂
He’s really holding her like a teddy bear or security blanket, I’m torn between whether I want to scream about how cute this is or just swoon haha
๐ธ Seeker ๐ธ
May 29, 2024 at 3:20 AM
Hehehe … when Sun said I can stay like this all night I screamed I can watch you all night!!
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
May 29, 2024 at 5:53 AM
It’s like they want to cause maximum devastation to Subeoms lol
I’ve made it the cover photo for my fanwall now haha
๐ธ Seeker ๐ธ
May 29, 2024 at 6:02 AM
Awesome. 👌 That is lovely indeed.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
May 27, 2024 at 1:25 PM
Lovely Runner sageuk ver. May the drama gods forever bless the makers of these edits
KHY/BWS NEED to be paired together again, that chemistry deserves another outing in a project as good <3
zindigo
May 27, 2024 at 2:27 PM
Omg when The Cherry Blossom Love Song starting playing my heart dang near fluttered out of my chest 💕 What an amazing fan video! If they do a sageuk together though, no amnesia story line like 100 Days please 😂
zindigo
May 27, 2024 at 2:29 PM
Forgot to add that The Cherry Blossom Love Song is one of my all-time favorite k-drama osts 😊
๐ธ Seeker ๐ธ
May 27, 2024 at 8:50 PM
The magic of editing. I’m amazed at the number of hours the maker spent in watching the drama, selecting scenes and the splicing them together so seamlessly. The number of days and hours they must have spent. 🙌 💪🏻
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
May 27, 2024 at 10:25 PM
It’s practically pro level, whoever does it would be amazing at making movie trailers. And now I want KHY/BWS in a swoony romance sageuk more than ever!
๐ธ Seeker ๐ธ
May 27, 2024 at 11:37 PM
😍 ❤ Yes please!!
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
May 27, 2024 at 1:19 PM
anyone as obsessed with this ‘remake of Goong’ ft. Kim Hye-yoon and Byun Woo-seok (via edits of their past dramas) as I am???
No subs but it is SO GOOD and now I want Lovely Runner sageuk version 🥲
bbstl ๐งน
May 27, 2024 at 9:17 PM
Wow, just great! So well done 👏🏽
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
May 27, 2024 at 10:22 PM
just hearing the music from original Goong combined with the (amazingly edited!) pairing of these two….the decibel level of the internal squeals it sets off in me is something else.
I almost wish it was real but no full-length kdrama remake could live up to this.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
May 26, 2024 at 11:22 AM
fully down the Lovely Runner rabbit hole….. ep 14 wasn’t the first time Grandma-with-dementia knew a bit too much about a timeline Sol already changed!
(screencaps from ep 7)
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 28, 2024 at 7:02 AM
the wait for QoT ep 16 is taking forever, like the wait for its premiere it feels interminable!!
I\’m going to be so sad when it\’s over, campaign for the special episodes to be all epilogues please!!!
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 22, 2024 at 2:35 AM
P.S. the new Bulgari ‘divorce cancellation’ ring is very pretty but when I said I wanted the OG wedding rings back onscreen I meant both of them 🥲 including this one, they should match 🥲
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 22, 2024 at 2:28 AM
still up in the air on those lost-to-TOD Roger Vivier sneakers – they\’re seen in their shop and removed from their (branded) bag by KSH but too quickly to actually see the brand name. Clever PPL?
๐ธ Seeker ๐ธ
April 22, 2024 at 2:37 AM
Oh! Never realised we didnโt โseeโ the brand in-drama. 😊
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 22, 2024 at 2:48 AM
yeah the fact that they avoided actually ‘showing’ the brand was what made me think it wasn’t PPL – as in, the shop and branded bag are right there but just not shown or out of focus.
Neolttwigi
April 22, 2024 at 6:21 AM
Mind you, it took ? 12 episodes to see a Bulgari brand- and that was with a completely different ring. ( Personally, I liked the original rings better. )
๐ธ Seeker ๐ธ
April 22, 2024 at 6:24 AM
Same.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 22, 2024 at 7:48 AM
same here, I think their actual wedding rings are prettier and match the ‘we’re a married couple’ concept better too, well at least one of them is back onscreen now! (now for the return of Hae-in’s wedding ring pls)
Neolttwigi
April 22, 2024 at 4:09 AM
I’m also wondering about the black hi-tops HW is wearing a lot. No branding, but quite a few closeups. And he wears them whenever he is doing casual. Maybe wardrobe items provided without charge?
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 22, 2024 at 5:58 AM
for a drama like this, I’m assuming everything Hae-in and Hyun-woo wear other than her ‘Hercyna’ suit, was borrowed, it’s a common enough practice.
(and the Hercyna only isn’t from a ‘real’ brand because in-drama, that CEO or president or whatever, gets a REALLY unflattering portrayal lol)
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 22, 2024 at 2:21 AM
re: Queen of Tears PPL -we do have some confirmation of what wasn’t, going by Haein’s multiple Celine bags but the actual logo being blocked out (see also: the department store makeup counters)
๐ธ Seeker ๐ธ
April 22, 2024 at 2:28 AM
Nothing misses the Beanies investigation. 🧐
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 22, 2024 at 2:45 AM
easier to launch PPL investigations than seethe over the ending of this week’s episodes! (or cry over the operation)
I think Valentino also forked up – their branded shopping bags are visible this week, as well as their logo on Hae-in’s latest handbag and the cardholder from which Eun-snake pulled her medical info card in ep 9.
I also spent far too much time pausing on rewatch last week, which is how I now know Hae-in and Hyun-woo would not have been in the same year at school (different birth years based on her patient info card and his CV)
๐ธ Seeker ๐ธ
April 22, 2024 at 4:33 AM
Oh wow! That is new information indeed. 😂
Iโm really impressed by your skills!! 😍
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 22, 2024 at 5:57 AM
skills or jobless, depending on perspective 😂
and yeah, Hyun-woo’s document in ep 10 shows an ID number starting with 89 (presumably year of birth) while Hae-in’s medical card has a birth date starting with 90. Which makes her just about old enough to have started high school in 2006 since Korean high schools are 10th-12th grade.
๐ธ Seeker ๐ธ
April 22, 2024 at 6:21 AM
Drama watching is definitely a “real” job.
I did not know that this would be so apt for QoT.
https://www.dramabeans.com/members/Seeker/activity/1537704/
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 14, 2024 at 9:59 AM
Kim Ji-won coming up with the Queen of Tears couple name and being a PJE/KSH fangirl <3
๐ธ Seeker ๐ธ
April 14, 2024 at 11:05 AM
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loveblossom๐ธ
April 14, 2024 at 10:30 PM
So cute!! Her couple name was creative and cool! ๐ 👑👑
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 14, 2024 at 11:26 PM
ikr? The colour of love 😀
emsel
April 15, 2024 at 5:59 AM
So it really is Queen (Hae In) of Tears (Hyun Woo). Her couple name TT TT inverted to WW makes sense.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 15, 2024 at 6:38 AM
I love the way she thinks (and the drama credits/posters have the title presented to look like a crown too, love it)
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 13, 2024 at 5:14 PM
random thought but I don\’t think those shoes are PPL. There\’s no branding shown onscreen, they\’re identifiable only by the huge buckle (a RV signature) and no shots of a label or box. Not bad, QOT!
PYC
April 13, 2024 at 9:21 PM
PPL is now done more subtly than before. The Subway sandwiches are naturally blended in the outdoor bite scene of the lawyer trio in QoT Ep 11.
Neolttwigi
April 13, 2024 at 10:22 PM
I think the combination of budget and actors meant they could be picky about what they are willing to do for PPL. There is no branding shown for the Bulgari jewelry, and The Subway PPL is notable becasue we have the branding, but none of those cliched phrases about how tasty it is, or how you can choose your fillings.
Kim Soo Hyun has a lot of commercial contracts doesn’t he? I imagine that just getting him to eat a sandwich on screen costs a lot. I’m sure those shoes paid a placement fee.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 14, 2024 at 12:33 AM
the PPL is definitely not as jarring as Goblin or Signal-era Subway, but the Roger Vivier shoes strike me as very possibly not-PPL because the script actually makes a point of how they’re not Hae-in’s usual style, were on sale etc.
I mean, even Bulgari gets its branded necklace box shown onscreen when Hae-in is dressing up but the shoes practically got called ugly and cheap (albeit by the villain, the drama makes a point of presenting them as cute and modern) which is a rather unusual way to approach PPL but I appreciate it!
Reply1988 -โฃ๏ธMother Beanโฃ๏ธ
April 14, 2024 at 7:20 PM
The comments about the shoes are for those in the back who didnโt pay attention to them. Cars are rarely mentioned in dramas but we see the dashboard, interior and lots of angles of the exteriors. Mercedes are all over in this show, we even hear the distinct growl of the sports car. Some brands donโt need to be boxed or mentioned explicitly they speak for themselves. I bet the clothes, even secretary Naโs 2 sec screen shot of her especially bought formal dress for work are all sold out the day the episode airs.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 14, 2024 at 10:49 PM
to be fair, when it comes to cars it’s impossible to avoid because there’s no car that comes without its logo on the front (I remember older kdramas actually blurring car grills because presumably those weren’t paid for) so they may as well take advantage of it. Whoever ran PPL on this drama has mostly been doing a really good job – Mercedes, Bulgari etc are brands that rich people would actually wear and use irl.
that said, re: clothes, Queen of Tears was shot over 2023 and delayed from its intended air date – if any of the clothes used onscreen were part of a seasonal collection (which is most of her outfits) they’re probably not available to buy any more but anything in a permanent collection like the Serpenti jewellery, is certainly going to see a lot more interest now.
Midnight
April 13, 2024 at 11:19 PM
Definitely PPL. Kdramas have for ever had ppl with no branding shown. The branding then goes around by word of mouth and social media.
Showing the branding and long shot scenes only shows the brand and/or the production agreed on a lot bigger figure.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 14, 2024 at 1:21 AM
this particular case is unusual because the shoes got all but called ugly and cheap in-show before becoming like couple talisman #2 (behind their wedding rings) which is not how I’ve known any PPL to ever go. Still smart of the production to arrange it that way and the brand to agree if they did.
๐ธ Seeker ๐ธ
April 13, 2024 at 11:48 PM
Also it is a kind of treasure hunt – iykyk or else you ask. Win-win for the brand.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 14, 2024 at 1:15 AM
it’s actually the smarter way to approach product placement, if you ask me. Doesn’t irritate viewers, product still gets its airtime but in a way that fits in to the story rather than sticking out – wish more kdramas followed that way of doing things.
Neolttwigi
April 14, 2024 at 7:19 PM
The shoes had a prime shot with KSH holding both of them and presenting them. And then a shot of her wearing them. And Then a new shot of KSH putting them on her feet in Europe (And was that a different episode? I think so) And THEN they just happen to show up as an advertisement in Elle just coincidentally right when the episodes are airing…
That’s too much to be coincidental.
(Also, just think of the marketing effort behind that- Its probably a newly released shoe, which means that they would have had sample prototypes for filming. And then the ad would have been booked when they knew the broadcast schedule, 6? months ago.)
๐ธ Seeker ๐ธ
April 14, 2024 at 7:56 PM
Wow! That really puts things in perspective. Thanks. Indeed the behind-the-scenes work would have been incredibly hard.
Neolttwigi
April 14, 2024 at 8:12 PM
Also, I expect that the PPL fee does not get paid to the production company until the drama is broadcast, and not unless its broadcast in a reasonable time frame. Problems with the actors and it’s delayed, less or no money. They will be going to the advertisers with in-principle agreements about airing dates already in hand.
(Though at least wardrobe gets to use the shoes whatever happens)
๐ธ Seeker ๐ธ
April 14, 2024 at 8:56 PM
Eye opening RL stuff about the fairy tale drama. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Very insightful indeed.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 14, 2024 at 10:36 PM
to be clear – the image I posted of the show is from the March 2023 issue of Elle i.e. from one year ago (it’s my copy) so it’s not a newly released shoe as of QOT airing date.
It does however appear to be part of Roger Vivier’s permanent sneaker selection since it’s still visible on their website and currently available on Net-a-Porter, but if it was PPL – which is now likely – they were really smart about it, getting in shots with both leads holding/wearing the shoes in multiple episodes and in-drama dialogue drawing attention to them was a 10/10 marketing move by someone who saw a big picture beyond ‘show the name of the brand’.
I thought Bulgari did well at that with their wedding rings but along came episode 12 and we’re back to the old PPL playbook lol
๐ธ Seeker ๐ธ
April 14, 2024 at 10:43 PM
Integrating PPL in the storyline is definitely a skill set not known to many. 😂
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 14, 2024 at 11:28 PM
ikr? well played, QOT marketing/PPL department. I hope they got well paid (for the PPL and for their jobs)
Neolttwigi
April 14, 2024 at 11:17 PM
If its not a new release/recent ad, then there is more chance of actual coincidence/not PPL.
I think its PPL, (but I have been wrong before)
It’s more likely coincidence/not PPL if we saw evidence of empty marketing slots/ inability to attract PPL/ fake brands in the show. And I don’t think we have seen that at all. They are not going to give someone that much promotion for free when they have lots of people willing to pay.
๐ธ Seeker ๐ธ
April 15, 2024 at 1:04 AM
Well Hyun-woo’s car is a Mercedes – we see the logo. His coat is Burberry, we see the distinctive lining when Hae-in hands over his coat and Eun-blah’s grey jumper is Thom Browne and we get lingering shots of his back to see the distinctive tag. All is is just from Episode 12. So the marketing team has indeed been busy wining and dining a lot of brands, even if Eun-want–to-have-dinner was left hungry also hangry!?
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 15, 2024 at 3:06 AM
The only ‘fake brand’ I can pinpoint here is Hae-in’s beloved Hercyna, which seems to be the QOT-universe version of Hermรจs.
which I can see the necessity for, as I doubt Hermรจs would ever have agreed to be prominently featured in a storyline where the heroine blackmails their president over an extramarital affair to get them into her department store lol.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 15, 2024 at 5:09 AM
@seeker lol he can Eun-starve for all I care but he does have nice outfits
Clothes are a bit of an unclear PPL area but the drama’s been smart with them in that all of the brands (obvious or not) are ones rich people would believably wear and not TOO obviously logoed. Like Hyun-woo’s coat lining and the TB in ep 12 and Hae-in’s full-look Dior princess outfit (complete with logoed belt) in ep 1 when she takes that helicopter to get her prince out of his pear orchard.
But 12 is the episode when they really kicked it up with the PPL, I couldn’t help but notice.
๐ธ Seeker ๐ธ
April 15, 2024 at 5:17 AM
^^ True there are a ton of “real” brands discreetly placed in there.
๐ธ Seeker ๐ธ
April 15, 2024 at 5:21 AM
I’ll be happy when he goes from Eun-starve to Eun-dead-as-a-doornail so that uri Park Sung-hoon ♥ can be reborn as a beloved swoony ML. 🤣
๐ธ Seeker ๐ธ
April 15, 2024 at 5:23 AM
I am now liking this iykyk brand treasure hunt. It keeps one occupied throughout the week! 😊
Neolttwigi
April 15, 2024 at 6:48 AM
I didn’t recognise any of the clothing brands in the show. ๐ I know the names, but I never would have been able to tell a Burberry coat from the lining, or a Thom Browne jumper. (It is fun to read about, thanks) I’m really not the audience those brands are aimed at.
I do recognise Mercedes though.
๐ธ Seeker ๐ธ
April 15, 2024 at 7:35 AM
I’m just treating it as a sort of a drama fun game! The reason I recognize most brands is because many years ago I used to do some work for a high-end shopping mall chain.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 13, 2024 at 5:09 PM
guess what I found in the March 2023 issue of Elle Korea
(bought it for the Call It Love pictorial, didn’t expect to find Hong Hae-in’s lost-to-Truck-of-Doom Roger Vivier shoes – ok, shoe! in there)
๐ธ Seeker ๐ธ
April 13, 2024 at 11:04 PM
Apparently they have been sold out in Korea!
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 14, 2024 at 1:21 AM
haha I am not surprised!
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 13, 2024 at 4:05 PM
no, really. Eun-screw-yourself for real (episode 11).
tabong is ironing the crosswalk
April 13, 2024 at 4:09 PM
In only one episode he went from Eun-delulu, to Eun-psychokiller&kidnapper. 😒
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 13, 2024 at 5:04 PM
I mean I’m not even surprised about that part after episode 8, 9 or 10 but he’s truly Eun-asking-to-be-punched
tabong is ironing the crosswalk
April 13, 2024 at 5:31 PM
After Hyun Woo punched him, I was like “yeap, he’s gonna kill him”, so calling that gangster didn’t surprise me, but the kidnapping really scared me for a sec. 😖 I didn’t see that coming.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 14, 2024 at 1:16 AM
I totally thought he was going to kidnap her when he found her at the end of ep 9 but he was dumb enough to leave her alone to scheme then so I suppose he’s now resorted to direct action.
I totally thought it was him with the umbrella at the end of ep 11 but then thought I was wrong, REALLY didn’t see that coming either!
tabong is ironing the crosswalk
April 14, 2024 at 1:34 AM
When I saw the umbrella I knew it was him, but I thought Hyun Woo was going to comeback quickly, or at least, that Hae In was going to notice he wasn’t really Hyun Woo.
I didn’t expect her to actually get in his car. And I didn’t expect such an intense car chasing scene. That really scared me, I thought he was going to get away with it.
๐ธ Seeker ๐ธ
April 13, 2024 at 11:07 PM
But seriously Kim Soo Hyun did so well … his entire body language changed.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 14, 2024 at 2:31 AM
I remember thinking ‘huh that’s a bit weird’ at how stiff he looked around her…..did NOT see that coming though!
I think we now know what the dreaded ‘next symptom’ is that she wanted him not to see her having.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 14, 2024 at 2:33 AM
also the cars – they did well to keep the car chase cuts to prevent you figuring out right away that Hae-in wasn’t in Hyun-woo’s car (the one with the red top)
๐ธ Seeker ๐ธ
April 14, 2024 at 3:20 AM
The reveal was well done too … seeing the reflection in the car window.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 11, 2024 at 11:32 PM
counted 53 different epithets across 3 recaps (for episodes 5-6, 7-8 and 9-10)
and maybe just came up with no. 54, thanks to Hae-in in ep 10 who just went Eun-screw-yourself.
๐ธ Seeker ๐ธ
April 12, 2024 at 4:46 AM
👏👏👏👏 You are working hard indeed!!
Reply1988 -โฃ๏ธMother Beanโฃ๏ธ
April 12, 2024 at 1:16 PM
🫘Beansprout award🌱 that is excellent and the one I really relate too please show speed up his comeuppance and make it hurt.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 11, 2024 at 10:01 PM
am considering starting an encyclopaedia of every name @Unit/beanies have called Yoon Eun-seong in Queen of Tears recaps and comments (as of ep 10)
Eun-snake
Eun-spider
Eun-s.o.b.
Eun-squid
(contd.)
tabong is ironing the crosswalk
April 11, 2024 at 10:36 PM
That’s one of my favorite things of the recaps! I love reading all the different nicknames.
I think I also saw Eun Skunk and Eun Stupid. 😂
And while watching the show O always call him Eun-delulu.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 11, 2024 at 11:22 PM
😂 Eun-skunk is one of mine, proud of that one
Eun-delulu is probably the most accurate for him last week lol he really thought Hae-in was having any of it, even under threat 😂
๐ธ Seeker ๐ธ
April 12, 2024 at 4:52 AM
That was mine!! 🤣
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 12, 2024 at 5:11 AM
you are officially genius 🤣
๐ธ Seeker ๐ธ
April 12, 2024 at 5:19 AM
🙈
๐ธ Seeker ๐ธ
April 12, 2024 at 9:02 AM
Er, … Eun-@#$ was mine too.
*runs to hide*
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 11, 2024 at 10:58 PM
Eun-slimy bastard
Eun-slime
Eun-snitch
Eun-sociopath
Eun-psychopath
Eun-sicko
Eun-spy
Eun-shark
Eun-sleaze
Eun-suspicious
Eun-sentimental
Eun-substitute (attempted, in place of Hyun-woo, but Hae-in was NOT having it lol)
Eun-shocked
Eun-silly
Eun-stylish
Eun-sabotage
Eun-shady
Eun-son
Eun-schifo (pronounced ‘skee-fo’, means ‘yuckiness’ in Italian, thank you to Annie for that one)
Eun-spiteful
Eun-slug
Eun-Snape (named after a certain other character famous for an unhealthy obsession with a young woman who dgaf and married someone else, only for him to try to destroy her family too)
Eun-fire-ant (invasive species, destructive)
Eun-creep
Eun-bastard
Eun-delulu
Eun-delusional
Eun-@#$
Eun-trash
Eun-stereotypical
Eun-stalker
Eun-scammer
Eun-snoop
Eun-steal
Eun-separation (that’s what you get for lying to Da-hye)
Eun-sadistic
Eun-shut-the-hell-up
Eun-whatever
Eun-viper
Eun-skunk
Eun-stink
Eun-swindler
Eun-Sucks
Eun-misjudgement
Eun-sophistry
Eun-maniac
Eun-psycho
Eun-Smarm
Eun-scumbag
bbstl ๐งน
April 12, 2024 at 9:12 AM
👏🏽 outstanding!
bbstl ๐งน
April 12, 2024 at 9:16 AM
Also, hats off 🎩 to @unit for creating so many and inspiring the rest of us!
bong-soo
April 12, 2024 at 4:47 PM
All fine as long as you skip โEun-seomโ because that may bring a visit from Vincenzo.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 14, 2024 at 10:01 AM
hehe no one’s called him that so far. Eun-scum, though, yes.
tabong is ironing the crosswalk
April 13, 2024 at 12:04 PM
I love “Eun-viper”!
Beanies are so creative. ☺️
๐ธ Seeker ๐ธ
April 12, 2024 at 4:58 AM
Very very impressive!! 👏👏👏
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 11, 2024 at 9:50 PM
more Queen of Tears wedding ring appreciation ❤️❤️
๐ธ Seeker ๐ธ
April 12, 2024 at 4:54 AM
Hand appreciation too!! ♥️😊
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 9, 2024 at 3:24 AM
trying to remember if this particular Queen of Tears costume has been seen already on Hae-in (honeymoon flashback?) or not yet as of ep 10?
Because I see a wedding ring -question is, past or future?
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 8, 2024 at 9:43 AM
anyone else watching Queen of Tears feel the urge to screencap every single lingering shot of Hae-in/Hyun-woo’s wedding rings or am I alone in this
(these just from ep 7 alone)
parkchuna ๐
April 8, 2024 at 10:14 AM
Yep, I love all the wedding ring shots too
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 8, 2024 at 10:34 AM
It helps that the design is so distinctive, amazing how much can be communicated with just a shot of the hand.
Kurama
April 8, 2024 at 10:18 AM
Oh no, you’re not alone!
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 8, 2024 at 10:27 AM
phew I feel reassured
๐ธ Seeker ๐ธ
April 8, 2024 at 11:25 AM
No one is *ever* alone in Beaniedom. 😂
I love K-drama hand-holding scenes but hands with Bvlgari wedding rings are my latest and newest obsession.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 9, 2024 at 3:26 AM
most emotionally impactful PPL of all time (and seriously a genius idea because it doesn’t feel like PPL at all)
๐ธ Seeker ๐ธ
April 9, 2024 at 4:53 AM
True!
DK-Drama ๐ซ Giffing n Space Cadetting๐๐ฑ
April 10, 2024 at 4:22 AM
Oh, I do! 🤣
But yes, I think, if I didn’t know that I was PPL’ed all the time in K-drama, I maybe would only see what the rings say about their relationship, because yes, every shot of those rings say something meaningful, other than “Buy Bulgari Wedding Rings”.
I prefer wedding rings that are just a gold band, but apart from that, these rings are pretty nice, and look good on both of them. 💍
As opposed to the horror ring of King The Land. 🤢🤣
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 10, 2024 at 4:43 AM
exactly – those lovingly shot close-ups of Hae-in and Hyun-woo’s rings aren’t promoting the rings, they’re about the relationship.
Also on a design level the Bulgari jewellery including the rings, is a great choice – distinctive but they look like legit rings that people would choose for themselves irl and not insanely branded or overly ubiquitous or, as you put it, a horror ring 🤣
truthfully I don’t even mind the on-the-nose moments, like Mistress Snake putting on a Serpenti necklace to do her version of villainous cackling! I mean, it was fitting.
DK-Drama ๐ซ Giffing n Space Cadetting๐๐ฑ
April 10, 2024 at 7:43 AM
I am pretty sure the close-ups do both things. They are very well written into the story. So it’s the best PPL Bulgari could wish for.
I am glad they don’t zoom in on them or work to let the camera focus so the ring stands out, like they did on those bracelets a lot towards the end of Destiny With You.
Like, even in a dark room where they were … you know, … that bracelet was catching the light and was the most visible thing. 🤣
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner๐
April 10, 2024 at 9:19 AM
@cecilieDK – it helps that wedding rings have a near-universal cultural and emotional significance across cultures, even when they are branded it’s not about the object, it’s about what it signifies.
And yes, you’re right that it does help that the camera treatment doesn’t give the rings the obvious PPL focus, which keeps attention on what they mean and not what they are – I’ve not seen Destined with You but that scenario sounds unintentionally funny 🤣