ok so i’m thinking that the attack/ambush was planned by the dowager. i think she wanted an excuse to keep rim in that villa for long enough that he’d figure out the truth about himself.
also would not have minded if the king has just taken out a sword and beheaded councillor min right there on the spot. i’m so annoyed with him. but whyyyy does the king keep rim alive?? i mean IM SO GLAD, but why?
so ho-dam and GHR’s real father were at Seorowan together, right? and jae-kyung saved GHR? and i guess the stress of the news of her husbands death probably sent Rim’s mom into labor with him. (who is his mom then? moms don’t really figure much into this show do they)
I believe she planned it as well. But I think she did it to get rumors about Min to go around. We know what that man is capable of, why not murder. He has a hand in one son’s death, why not again. She has been biding her time and I also think that she has enough on the King to keep him in check and for him not to have told Min about Rim’s true linage.
But this does make for a interesting predicament when Jin finds out he is not the rightful Consort. There has been no conflict with these brothers and you just feel that it is coming.
But if Min doesn’t know about Rim’s true lineage, why would he plan an ambush (or why would she think that an ambush would be blamed on him)?
YES I am biting my nails related to the brotherly-conflict that is surely coming. It’s interesting to me that Jin has been the acting king all this time—so it’s going to feel like a bigger blow to him if he has to step down… and it seems like it might be hard to justify enthroning a “naive kid” who hasnt shown any interest in politics over Jin, who’s been managing quite well. (assuming Rim even wants to be king, which…does he?)
Min did figure it out (and was pissed that it was kept a secret from him), which is why the King went off on him (because Min was the 1st person he thought of on the ambush and things do not stay quiet inside those walls for long. Just one word from someone and dominoes fall). Min’s next course of action is to find out why the King kept it from him all this time,
“(assuming Rim even wants to be king, which…does he?)”
The Queen Dowanger isn’t giving him a choice in the manner.
i agree about the Queen Dowager not giving him a choice. It was SO OMINOUS the way she said “when Rim is king” (or “until Rim is king” something like that.) I was like…whoa she’s not here to play.
I don’t think they counted on Min learning Rim’s secret, but the more I think about it, I do think the Dowager must have expected Min would be blamed for the assault (I mean, who else would?) BUT I still think her true motive was to give Rim enough time to be sequestered at that villa…which has a random picture of the former king still hanging. I mean, that was kinda weird, right?
I would only think that picture would be weird if the Queen was not so cunning.
Add to that patience, and she is a deadly combination.
She is angry her son is gone and she wants everyone involved to pay for it. GHR’s brother does not seemed to be longed for the world by the end of the series.
@larelle79 he is not long for this world 😂😂😂 you are SO right. poor guy. i guess. i mean let’s hear his tragic story but i feel like it’s gonna be bad.
Very interesting theory. But Second Councillor Min didn’t deny it when he was accused. If he didn’t do it, why wouldn’t he say so? On the other hand, wouldn’t he shoot to kill?
Min admitted himself that he is not a pleasant person and that is why he has no friends. The man knows what people think of him but with his eye on bigger things, he is just rolling with it, until he gets what he wants and then he will take those naysayers down.
Dude can play a mean game of poker with that face.
i think he didn’t deny it because he wants to see who it really is. i also thought maybe he was sort of denying it by mentioning the dowager queen. i don’t think he could outright accuse her—that’s gotta be treasonous—so he’s biding his time.
I’m guessing she planned it too, she didn’t seem all that surprised when the ambush happened. Maybe to later start rumors that Councillor Min is the one behind it. Or to get people suspicious about why they would target Rim, a naive prince with no political interest (and we saw the historians starting to get curious already) so they will start digging out the truth about his real identity?
Not sure if it was for Rim to discover the truth himself, since the reason he found that place with the former king’s picture is because of the dream he had, and she can’t control his dreams.
Although if it’s indeed her, how cunning is she that she would let Rim get injured like that just to achieve her goal..
“maybe to get people suspicious about why they’d target Rim” — i can see that. that makes a lot of sense to me. i definitely think the whole trip was designed to bring his heritage to light.
This makes sense and as far as Rim’s dreams go, @anothernicole theory about Seo-bo is something to consider as well. We know that he is underfoot of Rim day and night. He could be telling him all sorts of things while he is asleep.
I still think about the dream he had after the meeting with the King about the books he was writing. That dream just did not come out of nowhere. It gave a good idea of how the legitimate King died….and it was in front of the house that Rim and GHR went into to see the portrait.
i disagree that she doesn’t care for him as a person—but i DO agree that she sees him as a means to an end. Her love for him as a person is definitely not going to keep her from using him to the max
I was thinking about Rim’s mother as I was watching the episode too, but I’m guessing they’re not going to make it into a big reveal or anything.
What I’m wondering is how anyone hid the truth about Rim’s birth from Councillor Min for so long. Obviously for Rim to have been born and then believed by everyone to be the son of the current King, someone in the palace must’ve had to be pregnant at the time and directly linked to the King… right? If not, wouldn’t it be completely obvious that Rim isn’t his son? Or did they just get rid of everyone and anyone related to the deposed King? 😂
Good theory on the ambush! I thought it was weird the Queen was so calm. She was more mad during that scene with Jaekyung than she was at the thought of someone trying to assassinate Rim, whom she intends to put on the throne. By that logic, it totally makes sense that she’s the one behind the whole thing.
ok so i had a theory about this a while back (which has basically been disproven, like all my drama theories….how is it possible to be so consistently wrong???) — that she was the real queen’s son (the queen + someone else) and the king had adopted him to cover up the fact that his wife had an affair. obvi that’s out the window now, so I am left wondering the same thing as you.
the only conclusion i can give is that there is a LOT of secrecy in this palace and a lot of people sort of concealed — the crown princess keeps to herself, Rim is obviously hidden away, etc etc. So maybe the conspiracies lasted a while and maybe the dethroned king himself hid his pregnant wife? like maybe he knew a coup was coming and he wanted the baby to live, so he never told anyone she was pregnant? i srly doubt the show will get this in depth but…. (altho honestly if a reigning queen is pregnant with the firstborn of the king that seems like it’d be IMPOSSIBLE to hide. thats not a commonplace birth).
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 18, 2019 at 9:42 AM
my latest Rookie Historian theory—in comments because SPOILERS!!
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 18, 2019 at 9:47 AM
Ep 17 SPOILERS YALL.
ok so i’m thinking that the attack/ambush was planned by the dowager. i think she wanted an excuse to keep rim in that villa for long enough that he’d figure out the truth about himself.
also would not have minded if the king has just taken out a sword and beheaded councillor min right there on the spot. i’m so annoyed with him. but whyyyy does the king keep rim alive?? i mean IM SO GLAD, but why?
so ho-dam and GHR’s real father were at Seorowan together, right? and jae-kyung saved GHR? and i guess the stress of the news of her husbands death probably sent Rim’s mom into labor with him. (who is his mom then? moms don’t really figure much into this show do they)
larelle79
September 18, 2019 at 10:21 AM
I believe she planned it as well. But I think she did it to get rumors about Min to go around. We know what that man is capable of, why not murder. He has a hand in one son’s death, why not again. She has been biding her time and I also think that she has enough on the King to keep him in check and for him not to have told Min about Rim’s true linage.
But this does make for a interesting predicament when Jin finds out he is not the rightful Consort. There has been no conflict with these brothers and you just feel that it is coming.
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 18, 2019 at 10:32 AM
But if Min doesn’t know about Rim’s true lineage, why would he plan an ambush (or why would she think that an ambush would be blamed on him)?
YES I am biting my nails related to the brotherly-conflict that is surely coming. It’s interesting to me that Jin has been the acting king all this time—so it’s going to feel like a bigger blow to him if he has to step down… and it seems like it might be hard to justify enthroning a “naive kid” who hasnt shown any interest in politics over Jin, who’s been managing quite well. (assuming Rim even wants to be king, which…does he?)
larelle79
September 18, 2019 at 10:38 AM
Min did figure it out (and was pissed that it was kept a secret from him), which is why the King went off on him (because Min was the 1st person he thought of on the ambush and things do not stay quiet inside those walls for long. Just one word from someone and dominoes fall). Min’s next course of action is to find out why the King kept it from him all this time,
“(assuming Rim even wants to be king, which…does he?)”
The Queen Dowanger isn’t giving him a choice in the manner.
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 18, 2019 at 10:45 AM
i agree about the Queen Dowager not giving him a choice. It was SO OMINOUS the way she said “when Rim is king” (or “until Rim is king” something like that.) I was like…whoa she’s not here to play.
I don’t think they counted on Min learning Rim’s secret, but the more I think about it, I do think the Dowager must have expected Min would be blamed for the assault (I mean, who else would?) BUT I still think her true motive was to give Rim enough time to be sequestered at that villa…which has a random picture of the former king still hanging. I mean, that was kinda weird, right?
larelle79
September 18, 2019 at 10:52 AM
I would only think that picture would be weird if the Queen was not so cunning.
Add to that patience, and she is a deadly combination.
She is angry her son is gone and she wants everyone involved to pay for it. GHR’s brother does not seemed to be longed for the world by the end of the series.
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 18, 2019 at 10:58 AM
@larelle79 he is not long for this world 😂😂😂 you are SO right. poor guy. i guess. i mean let’s hear his tragic story but i feel like it’s gonna be bad.
latebloomer
September 18, 2019 at 11:59 AM
Not only his portrait, but a very tall candle burning in front of it, so someone has been keeping that candle lit in memory of the deposed king.
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 18, 2019 at 12:00 PM
@lindag ohhhh! you’re so right!!!
larelle79
September 18, 2019 at 12:07 PM
@lindag Good eye on the candle.
latebloomer
September 18, 2019 at 12:13 PM
Very interesting theory. But Second Councillor Min didn’t deny it when he was accused. If he didn’t do it, why wouldn’t he say so? On the other hand, wouldn’t he shoot to kill?
larelle79
September 18, 2019 at 12:19 PM
Min admitted himself that he is not a pleasant person and that is why he has no friends. The man knows what people think of him but with his eye on bigger things, he is just rolling with it, until he gets what he wants and then he will take those naysayers down.
Dude can play a mean game of poker with that face.
latebloomer
September 18, 2019 at 12:24 PM
I look forward to his demise. I just hope he doesn’t drag his children down with him.
larelle79
September 18, 2019 at 12:31 PM
The conversation with the Crown Princess and Woo won was so great and I hope a sign of a change to come.
The Crown Princess broke my heart in that scene.
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 18, 2019 at 12:37 PM
@larelle79 she broke my heart too!! i wish we got more of her story tbh.
larelle79
September 18, 2019 at 12:47 PM
@anothernicole Me too. It’s ashamed that this show is stacked with so many great characters and not enough time to give them all a story.
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 18, 2019 at 12:27 PM
i think he didn’t deny it because he wants to see who it really is. i also thought maybe he was sort of denying it by mentioning the dowager queen. i don’t think he could outright accuse her—that’s gotta be treasonous—so he’s biding his time.
larelle79
September 18, 2019 at 12:30 PM
It is kinda amazing how much he and the Queen are alike in their thought process.
cherrycrumble
September 18, 2019 at 12:29 PM
I’m guessing she planned it too, she didn’t seem all that surprised when the ambush happened. Maybe to later start rumors that Councillor Min is the one behind it. Or to get people suspicious about why they would target Rim, a naive prince with no political interest (and we saw the historians starting to get curious already) so they will start digging out the truth about his real identity?
Not sure if it was for Rim to discover the truth himself, since the reason he found that place with the former king’s picture is because of the dream he had, and she can’t control his dreams.
Although if it’s indeed her, how cunning is she that she would let Rim get injured like that just to achieve her goal..
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 18, 2019 at 12:38 PM
“maybe to get people suspicious about why they’d target Rim” — i can see that. that makes a lot of sense to me. i definitely think the whole trip was designed to bring his heritage to light.
larelle79
September 18, 2019 at 12:44 PM
This makes sense and as far as Rim’s dreams go, @anothernicole theory about Seo-bo is something to consider as well. We know that he is underfoot of Rim day and night. He could be telling him all sorts of things while he is asleep.
I still think about the dream he had after the meeting with the King about the books he was writing. That dream just did not come out of nowhere. It gave a good idea of how the legitimate King died….and it was in front of the house that Rim and GHR went into to see the portrait.
Hasi®
September 19, 2019 at 3:59 AM
It shows that she is ruthless. She doesn’t care much for Yi Rim as a person she cares for his identity as her precious son’s sole living heir.
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 19, 2019 at 6:07 AM
i disagree that she doesn’t care for him as a person—but i DO agree that she sees him as a means to an end. Her love for him as a person is definitely not going to keep her from using him to the max
Hasi®
September 20, 2019 at 2:37 AM
I agree she cares for him in her own way at least.
protect junwoo
September 18, 2019 at 8:44 PM
I was thinking about Rim’s mother as I was watching the episode too, but I’m guessing they’re not going to make it into a big reveal or anything.
What I’m wondering is how anyone hid the truth about Rim’s birth from Councillor Min for so long. Obviously for Rim to have been born and then believed by everyone to be the son of the current King, someone in the palace must’ve had to be pregnant at the time and directly linked to the King… right? If not, wouldn’t it be completely obvious that Rim isn’t his son? Or did they just get rid of everyone and anyone related to the deposed King? 😂
Good theory on the ambush! I thought it was weird the Queen was so calm. She was more mad during that scene with Jaekyung than she was at the thought of someone trying to assassinate Rim, whom she intends to put on the throne. By that logic, it totally makes sense that she’s the one behind the whole thing.
another woodalchi nicole recruit
September 19, 2019 at 6:10 AM
ok so i had a theory about this a while back (which has basically been disproven, like all my drama theories….how is it possible to be so consistently wrong???) — that she was the real queen’s son (the queen + someone else) and the king had adopted him to cover up the fact that his wife had an affair. obvi that’s out the window now, so I am left wondering the same thing as you.
the only conclusion i can give is that there is a LOT of secrecy in this palace and a lot of people sort of concealed — the crown princess keeps to herself, Rim is obviously hidden away, etc etc. So maybe the conspiracies lasted a while and maybe the dethroned king himself hid his pregnant wife? like maybe he knew a coup was coming and he wanted the baby to live, so he never told anyone she was pregnant? i srly doubt the show will get this in depth but…. (altho honestly if a reigning queen is pregnant with the firstborn of the king that seems like it’d be IMPOSSIBLE to hide. thats not a commonplace birth).
Hasi®
September 19, 2019 at 3:54 AM
I agree with you about the mastermind of the attack.