I was relieved that Chung Myeong left Chan Sung after he brought him out of the tunnel. Unfortunately the damage was done and Man Wol goes crazy for misinterpreting that feeling as a sign of reincarnation. Mago purposely mislead her (what a b*tch! ok, I know her intention. I’m calm). IU pleading for a straight answer was heart breaking to watch. Her dream of killing Chan Sung made me jump a little.
Man Wol unable to harm Chan Sung with her own hands shows how deep her love has grown in a matter of months. Unfortunately she can’t give up the revenge she has longed for 1300 years. That just shows how much she hated Chung Myeong. And no, I do not believe she had any love left for him after 1300 years. Her budding love has completely shifted to Yeon Woo whom she felt so sad and guilty for losing. She was more emotional to see the detective than the (exonerated) Chung Myeong standing before her. The reason for her emotional outburst earlier in the episode was mainly due to Chan Sung, not Chung Myeong. I’m glad that she gave up revenge before knowing the truth. It means the love she now harbors won over the hate that resided 1300 long years in her heart.
I liked that we did not get a one-sided narrative from Chung Myeong about the truth. This guy has poor communication skills. Most of what he said to her was ambiguous. For the benefit of the doubt, let’s just say his ambiguity was unintentional, so speaking less is better. Besides, the joke that Mira getting black-out-drunk at the hotel again is funny. The tears from Young Soo/YW had more tug on my heart than Chung Myeong. Yeon Woo’s love was so deep that his feelings haven’t completely severed. I believe most of Man Wol’s tears came from visualizing Yeon Woo. A huge part of her guilt and hate towards Chung Myeong had to do with Yeon Woo’s death. The realization that it was Yeon Woo’s wish to keep her alive gave her the most significant reason to let go. So at the end, it wasn’t some endless love between Man Wol and Chung Myeong, it was an endless love between Man Wol and Yeon Woo. Thank you writter-nims.
Chan Sung has got to be the most perfect male lead in kdrama, ever. When he realized Man Wol planned a triple-combo-suicide (ghost kills CS, Mago pulverizes MW, Grim Reaper captures ghost), his concern was just to save her. He knows what she needs and when, whether it’s direct truths, reverse psychology or just silence. He eggs her to try and kill him. He has a lot faith in Man Wol’s love, but more so, he wants her to feel how killing him doesn’t help (he wouldn’t know she dreamed of it already). After setting up the “rerun”, he considerately stepped outside to let her watch her past alone. He was confident that past “lover” was no competition. He just waited patiently for her to finish her business. No questions asked, he just lent her his shoulder and warmth from his hands. (Darn! The bar is too high already.)
Chan Sung and his smart backup plans are so refreshing compared to other hot-headed male leads. The serial killer ending was anticlimactic and turned rather comedic with the hotel staff ganging up on him only to have the unreliable Grim Reaper grab him (Man Wol gave you one job!). Not gonna complain. I really don’t care to see a long supernatural battle without Man Wol. I love how the victims get to mess with the serial killer before they leave. I hope Ms. Choi briefed them not to turn into vengeful ghosts.
Man Wol had to bring Chung Myeong to afterlife as the last deed for her sins. Being the “kinder person” that Chan Sung described, I think she did it out of humanity and had absolutely no intention to cross over with him. Question is if she remembers to return to Chan Sung. Of course she will. Chan Sung didn’t stop her. He knows the bridge takes 49 days to cross. He misses her so much but waits patiently. His faith wavers only because of the seemingly dead tree, but he never shows his sadness. That last scene when he let it out, it was unprecedentedly heartbreaking to watch. Having seen almost all of Jingoo’s dramas, this scene hurts the most.
strictly speaking, what MW planned was a single death suicide-by-Mago. she never intended to get CS hurt: just to put up a sufficiently credible attempt that the gods would intervene, saving CS and destroying MW in retaliation.
I think she did want to kill CS. Mago made her believe he’s CM. Mago wanted her to empty out her grudges. She took it differently. Her current body/mind is in love with CS so she doesn’t have the (will) power to kill him. Her past however doesn’t love Chan Sung and is raging with hatred towards CM. She drew out her past and channeled her into the hairpin.
She picked Seol Ji Won because he has a grudge with Chan Sung but he doesn’t have the power to kill. (After police took down the Hell-o site, Seol Ji Won lost his sheild that protected him on the rooftop. He’s just a regular weak ghost now hiding in the dark.)
She said that she must take him (CM’s reincarnation) to the bottom (hell), when he shows up and she was setting up for that. The minute CS dies, her powers (in the hairpin) will be held accountable and Mago can blast her to ashes.
When Chan Sung returned with the hairpin, she gave up killing him and just asked to be extinguished. Chan Sung asked her to kill him (continuing the lie that he is CM) and she did change the hairpin to a dagger. With him standing before her, she just couldn’t and gave up.
I don’t think so. there is an explicit conversation with CS (just after giving the curse to psycho ghost) where she says that since the gods love CS she expects them to save him anyways but that she will not be the one protecting him on that particular occasion.
she may have wanted CM dead, but she did not (at least not after imagining the scenario to it’s full consequences) want CS dead. she said so in the scene I mentioned. also CS trusted her words enough to prove it to the gods by giving her back the moon ornament thing in front of MG4.
My take was a little different. I thought she was going through the motions of her revenge because she could not stop herself, but she had also accepted that she would fail at it because of her feelings for CS.
CM showing up as CS means she can’t have her planned revenge (because of her love). CS turning out to be CM’s reincarnation means there is no possible happy ending for her (because of her hate). So her only out was complete obliteration.
And there are no certainties, so she did risk CS’s life to some degree… but she had to do that to prove evil intent. So I’d say 100% bet on her death but a lot less than 50% on CS’s (she made sure the reaper was around, and gave CS explicit warning).
I don’t object to that. More or less than 50%, she still stuck his neck out there.
I don’t blame her because Mago is f*cking with her mind. Chan Sung was making good progress changing her to be “kinder” and then this happens. It’s really sad to be her.
Man Wol has never trusted Mago, or at least never believed the right one will show up when needed. She can’t be sure that someone will save Chan Sung, but a part of her does wish he survives. That way she can say she tried but god was on his side.
I do think she has the intention to kill. I found the scene reflects the duel scene of Man-Wol and Chung-Myung in the past. She was so determined to end his life at first but when her sword finally pointing at his throat she hesitated. That time because of her feelings for Chung-Myung, this time she also gave up because of her love for Chan-Sung. I really appreciate the consistency in the character’s personality in this drama. Well-written and well-played.
Yes, the consistency. Despite the recent lovey dovey scenes, deep down her personality she is still very lethal. When she made the decision she definitely had the intention to kill. However, the Man Wol that hopes Mago or Death will save him is the Man Wol who loves him, and her vile ancient self has already left her vessel, so she couldn’t resist warning him.
“I believe most of Man Wol’s tears came from visualizing Yeon Woo. A huge part of her guilt and hate towards Chung Myeong had to do with Yeon Woo’s death. The realization that it was Yeon Woo’s wish to keep her alive gave her the most significant reason to let go. So at the end, it wasn’t some endless love between Man Wol and Chung Myeong, it was an endless love between Man Wol and Yeon Woo.”
THIS THIS THIS, a thousand times THIS! people were so focused on CM’s supposed love/ devotion to MW by selfishly making decisions that benefitted him, they completely forgot the love between Yeonwu and MW. Had this been a story about the 3, realistically, everyone wouldve been rooting for Yeonwu til the very end as he truly loved her and would die trying to protect her, which he did. I dont even think she forgave the captain at the end. She was just tired of it all and I think she felt more anger thinking CS couldve been CM, than actually seeing CM again 1300 years later. At this point, I think her anger towards him had faded, unbeknownst to her, once she fell in love and found happiness with CS. Yeonwu and his love for MW>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . Til the very end he loved her and thats why both their scene when she sees him again in the present and the scene when hes in the car are so touching and heartwarming. CM has yet to make me feel anything like that.
I feel irritated that people keep ignoring Yeon Woo. He was Man Wol’s most important in the past and still very cherished in her heart in present day. The relationship was more family than romantic, but significantly deeper than whatever she had with the Chung Myung. In fact, we see that all the staff have family reasons to stay behind, not romance.
“…triple-combo-suicide…” It’s not right but I can’t stop laughing 🤣🤣 (P.S. Yes, I am stalking your fan wall because you have some great posts on Hotel del Luna 😶)
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sph_7
August 26, 2019 at 1:34 PM
Episode 14 (cont..):
I was relieved that Chung Myeong left Chan Sung after he brought him out of the tunnel. Unfortunately the damage was done and Man Wol goes crazy for misinterpreting that feeling as a sign of reincarnation. Mago purposely mislead her (what a b*tch! ok, I know her intention. I’m calm). IU pleading for a straight answer was heart breaking to watch. Her dream of killing Chan Sung made me jump a little.
Man Wol unable to harm Chan Sung with her own hands shows how deep her love has grown in a matter of months. Unfortunately she can’t give up the revenge she has longed for 1300 years. That just shows how much she hated Chung Myeong. And no, I do not believe she had any love left for him after 1300 years. Her budding love has completely shifted to Yeon Woo whom she felt so sad and guilty for losing. She was more emotional to see the detective than the (exonerated) Chung Myeong standing before her. The reason for her emotional outburst earlier in the episode was mainly due to Chan Sung, not Chung Myeong. I’m glad that she gave up revenge before knowing the truth. It means the love she now harbors won over the hate that resided 1300 long years in her heart.
I liked that we did not get a one-sided narrative from Chung Myeong about the truth. This guy has poor communication skills. Most of what he said to her was ambiguous. For the benefit of the doubt, let’s just say his ambiguity was unintentional, so speaking less is better. Besides, the joke that Mira getting black-out-drunk at the hotel again is funny. The tears from Young Soo/YW had more tug on my heart than Chung Myeong. Yeon Woo’s love was so deep that his feelings haven’t completely severed. I believe most of Man Wol’s tears came from visualizing Yeon Woo. A huge part of her guilt and hate towards Chung Myeong had to do with Yeon Woo’s death. The realization that it was Yeon Woo’s wish to keep her alive gave her the most significant reason to let go. So at the end, it wasn’t some endless love between Man Wol and Chung Myeong, it was an endless love between Man Wol and Yeon Woo. Thank you writter-nims.
More thoughts on Chung Myeong:
http://www.dramabeans.com/members/geliguolu/activity/860134/
Chan Sung has got to be the most perfect male lead in kdrama, ever. When he realized Man Wol planned a triple-combo-suicide (ghost kills CS, Mago pulverizes MW, Grim Reaper captures ghost), his concern was just to save her. He knows what she needs and when, whether it’s direct truths, reverse psychology or just silence. He eggs her to try and kill him. He has a lot faith in Man Wol’s love, but more so, he wants her to feel how killing him doesn’t help (he wouldn’t know she dreamed of it already). After setting up the “rerun”, he considerately stepped outside to let her watch her past alone. He was confident that past “lover” was no competition. He just waited patiently for her to finish her business. No questions asked, he just lent her his shoulder and warmth from his hands. (Darn! The bar is too high already.)
Chan Sung and his smart backup plans are so refreshing compared to other hot-headed male leads. The serial killer ending was anticlimactic and turned rather comedic with the hotel staff ganging up on him only to have the unreliable Grim Reaper grab him (Man Wol gave you one job!). Not gonna complain. I really don’t care to see a long supernatural battle without Man Wol. I love how the victims get to mess with the serial killer before they leave. I hope Ms. Choi briefed them not to turn into vengeful ghosts.
Man Wol had to bring Chung Myeong to afterlife as the last deed for her sins. Being the “kinder person” that Chan Sung described, I think she did it out of humanity and had absolutely no intention to cross over with him. Question is if she remembers to return to Chan Sung. Of course she will. Chan Sung didn’t stop her. He knows the bridge takes 49 days to cross. He misses her so much but waits patiently. His faith wavers only because of the seemingly dead tree, but he never shows his sadness. That last scene when he let it out, it was unprecedentedly heartbreaking to watch. Having seen almost all of Jingoo’s dramas, this scene hurts the most.
CHARLIE
August 26, 2019 at 2:24 PM
strictly speaking, what MW planned was a single death suicide-by-Mago. she never intended to get CS hurt: just to put up a sufficiently credible attempt that the gods would intervene, saving CS and destroying MW in retaliation.
sph_7
August 26, 2019 at 2:59 PM
I think she did want to kill CS. Mago made her believe he’s CM. Mago wanted her to empty out her grudges. She took it differently. Her current body/mind is in love with CS so she doesn’t have the (will) power to kill him. Her past however doesn’t love Chan Sung and is raging with hatred towards CM. She drew out her past and channeled her into the hairpin.
She picked Seol Ji Won because he has a grudge with Chan Sung but he doesn’t have the power to kill. (After police took down the Hell-o site, Seol Ji Won lost his sheild that protected him on the rooftop. He’s just a regular weak ghost now hiding in the dark.)
She said that she must take him (CM’s reincarnation) to the bottom (hell), when he shows up and she was setting up for that. The minute CS dies, her powers (in the hairpin) will be held accountable and Mago can blast her to ashes.
When Chan Sung returned with the hairpin, she gave up killing him and just asked to be extinguished. Chan Sung asked her to kill him (continuing the lie that he is CM) and she did change the hairpin to a dagger. With him standing before her, she just couldn’t and gave up.
CHARLIE
August 26, 2019 at 3:06 PM
I don’t think so. there is an explicit conversation with CS (just after giving the curse to psycho ghost) where she says that since the gods love CS she expects them to save him anyways but that she will not be the one protecting him on that particular occasion.
sph_7
August 26, 2019 at 3:24 PM
That doesn’t mean she didn’t want him dead.
sph_7
August 26, 2019 at 3:27 PM
Him as in Chung Myeong.
CHARLIE
August 26, 2019 at 3:38 PM
she may have wanted CM dead, but she did not (at least not after imagining the scenario to it’s full consequences) want CS dead. she said so in the scene I mentioned. also CS trusted her words enough to prove it to the gods by giving her back the moon ornament thing in front of MG4.
sph_7
August 26, 2019 at 3:44 PM
But she believes CS is CM.
If she didn’t want to hurt CS, she could have gone after Mira. That would definitely get her pulverized by Mago.
I think her plan had at least 50% chance to kill CS and 100% chance to end her own misery.
CHARLIE
August 26, 2019 at 3:56 PM
My take was a little different. I thought she was going through the motions of her revenge because she could not stop herself, but she had also accepted that she would fail at it because of her feelings for CS.
CM showing up as CS means she can’t have her planned revenge (because of her love). CS turning out to be CM’s reincarnation means there is no possible happy ending for her (because of her hate). So her only out was complete obliteration.
And there are no certainties, so she did risk CS’s life to some degree… but she had to do that to prove evil intent. So I’d say 100% bet on her death but a lot less than 50% on CS’s (she made sure the reaper was around, and gave CS explicit warning).
sph_7
August 26, 2019 at 4:07 PM
I don’t object to that. More or less than 50%, she still stuck his neck out there.
I don’t blame her because Mago is f*cking with her mind. Chan Sung was making good progress changing her to be “kinder” and then this happens. It’s really sad to be her.
sph_7
August 26, 2019 at 3:36 PM
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sph_7
August 26, 2019 at 3:37 PM
Man Wol has never trusted Mago, or at least never believed the right one will show up when needed. She can’t be sure that someone will save Chan Sung, but a part of her does wish he survives. That way she can say she tried but god was on his side.
SuShin
August 27, 2019 at 12:47 AM
I do think she has the intention to kill. I found the scene reflects the duel scene of Man-Wol and Chung-Myung in the past. She was so determined to end his life at first but when her sword finally pointing at his throat she hesitated. That time because of her feelings for Chung-Myung, this time she also gave up because of her love for Chan-Sung. I really appreciate the consistency in the character’s personality in this drama. Well-written and well-played.
sph_7
August 27, 2019 at 7:29 AM
Yes, the consistency. Despite the recent lovey dovey scenes, deep down her personality she is still very lethal. When she made the decision she definitely had the intention to kill. However, the Man Wol that hopes Mago or Death will save him is the Man Wol who loves him, and her vile ancient self has already left her vessel, so she couldn’t resist warning him.
Valentina
August 26, 2019 at 8:49 PM
“I believe most of Man Wol’s tears came from visualizing Yeon Woo. A huge part of her guilt and hate towards Chung Myeong had to do with Yeon Woo’s death. The realization that it was Yeon Woo’s wish to keep her alive gave her the most significant reason to let go. So at the end, it wasn’t some endless love between Man Wol and Chung Myeong, it was an endless love between Man Wol and Yeon Woo.”
THIS THIS THIS, a thousand times THIS! people were so focused on CM’s supposed love/ devotion to MW by selfishly making decisions that benefitted him, they completely forgot the love between Yeonwu and MW. Had this been a story about the 3, realistically, everyone wouldve been rooting for Yeonwu til the very end as he truly loved her and would die trying to protect her, which he did. I dont even think she forgave the captain at the end. She was just tired of it all and I think she felt more anger thinking CS couldve been CM, than actually seeing CM again 1300 years later. At this point, I think her anger towards him had faded, unbeknownst to her, once she fell in love and found happiness with CS. Yeonwu and his love for MW>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . Til the very end he loved her and thats why both their scene when she sees him again in the present and the scene when hes in the car are so touching and heartwarming. CM has yet to make me feel anything like that.
sph_7
August 26, 2019 at 9:28 PM
I feel irritated that people keep ignoring Yeon Woo. He was Man Wol’s most important in the past and still very cherished in her heart in present day. The relationship was more family than romantic, but significantly deeper than whatever she had with the Chung Myung. In fact, we see that all the staff have family reasons to stay behind, not romance.
Eighteen
April 24, 2020 at 10:45 PM
“…triple-combo-suicide…” It’s not right but I can’t stop laughing 🤣🤣 (P.S. Yes, I am stalking your fan wall because you have some great posts on Hotel del Luna 😶)