I still like this show very much but now I think it’s safe to say they can give it a good resolution with just 18 eps because so much of the gray characters and their conflicts has been turned into a good x evil battle.
I am still pleasantly surprised by the fact that despite their interest in selling the romance the story doesn’t stop asking the tricky questions about the robot. Last week there were so many moments I felt she should be waking up to the fact he is robot, sorry, my understanding is that she loves him with the unsconscious idea that he is almost like a person. That moment he plays the piano like a machine, learning in minutes, not even feeling the music, he goes to a movie but has no interest in the story and can’t feel sad about the story, I thought she would have some doubts but guess not. Besides it’s almost as if the writing showed us him behaving like a machine but the pd took it as ordinary romantic scenes, which often happens in this drama.
This week they took these questions even further because not only his brain is not his possession, he doesn’t have free will. Even if manual mode is erased doesn’t mean anything, somebody can have access to his memory at any time.
Crazy OriShin became a villain! It would be fine if he was just lashing out at his mom, YJ and Grandpa but when he hurts weaker people, he is mean for no reason to a kid or becomes obssessed with SB just because she likes the robot, he steps over the line to plain cruelty.
I’m so bored with Grandpa I wished Shin had pushed him. Sorry. He is a robot anyway, he can’t feel guilt. Or can he? Besides, it would have been poetic justice, to be killed by the machine he liked better than his family.
A silly detail but still, RoRa is so smart, that watch is great for dramatic purposes but she would really never put his battery in such an easy place.
Also, I’m guessing people must have liked it but I found that ending of 30 super cheesy, how could he overide manual mode? Please don’t tell it’s the power of love show! If he had some kind of rule against hurting humans in a bad way this should have kicked him with grampa, I’m thinking they should say something like he is uncapable of really hurting his Priority Human even in manual mode. It’s not a perfect explanation but it’s the best I could come up so far. If anyone has any others before next please share! 🙂
Thank you for this. Some really interesting (& great) points!! Points which I honestly try very hard not to think about lest it gets in the way of my viewing pleasure, lol.
I do think the love between human and robot is at times an odd equation, but when looking at the universality of the themes show is looking to explore, then the love is no longer bound by the impossible, rather it’s about the existing intricacies which surround human emotions and how it evolves (to varying degrees) in all aspects of life, no matter the relationship. So-bong’s love for shinrobot feels very human and gives it a believable and almost measurable quality. But that’s not to say shin-robot’s love is any less. It perhaps doesn’t channel itself like human emotions do, but the essence is still very much the same. He cares, protects, offers comfort all within the realms of what’s possible for him. And that for me is the sole reason for wanting to root for them.
The other explanation for overriding the manual mode could of course be that RoboShin had some help? The scene never switched back to DogShin, and stayed on the rooftop. But what if someone interfered when they realised DogShin wasn’t going to stop until So Bong was dead?
The first five minutes of ep 16 will prob. prove me totally wrong lol
Right, this could explain it but I doubt they will pass up the more romantic explanation of him being able to take control. This show sometimes has good surprises though!
I find it entirely plausible that a learning AI, who has been attempting to thwart a device, would find a way around a hurriedly created code for a manual mode. And that the trigger for the switch would be the tears (note: Grandpa had none) that was its first and strongest rule. Then the priority human rule would have come out and the codes battling each other would have given it the loophole. Just a guess though. AI is well beyond my reality capabilities.
I do find it intriguing how SoBong never really forgets that he is a robot and likes him for what he is anyway. How is that different from someone who falls for a person, with say ALS? Or a seizure disorder? It does bring up questions of personhood, but loving someone in spite of their shortfalls is pretty powerful stuff.
I completely agree about So Bong’s love! She doesn’t see him for anything that he isn’t – or wants what he cannot give – and that’s what’s so amazing about her.
I had not thought that hugging rule might come in handy here, thanks for another explanation. 🙂
About SB not forgetting he is a robot I agree but like I said I just have a feeling she believes he has a personality, she has said herself that he is his own person. The show itself however has not yet convinced me he has one. A person with any kind of mental problem is still a person, has a past, has an identity. I’m never sure with Shin3 how much of his behavior comes from a program, from the nicest things he does to the worst, he can’t really take all the responsabillity. He’s able to make logical choices but where are his unique personality traits?
To play devil’s advocate: I think that’s where the learning AI comes in. If learning AI can write its own programming (and he has), then isn’t his personality stemming from the programming choices he is making?
I could also argue that we are all shaped by “programming” by our parents/village from an early age, and it isn’t until we are older that we start to choose which of the programs we keep and which we follow.
It’s a very interesting dilemma that the writer has presented, because it can be terrifying, and it’s something really close technologically speaking. It also really brings into question what really makes us human, because our DNA could be seen as a program of sorts.
I think it’s not very easy to explain but one more reason that leads me to believe he isn’t “his own person” is something we already knew and he keeps saying it. He has no ambition, which I guess also means he has no desire, for anything. Isn’t this at the very core of being human? From food to having purpose we want something, big or small, always. He doesn’t. Except when it’s convenient to make him miss his mom or SB, which is why this seems more like the result of a program than Shin3 actually having feelings.
I don’t quite understand why the fact that he is capable of evolving would necessarily give him the capacity or the reason to create something like a personality. Did he make any illogical choices like we so commonly do? Did he become contradictory like we do sometimes? If he did I would start believing he has some true emotions.
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Lixie
July 31, 2018 at 7:41 AM
Some thoughts on AYHT 29-30
I still like this show very much but now I think it’s safe to say they can give it a good resolution with just 18 eps because so much of the gray characters and their conflicts has been turned into a good x evil battle.
I am still pleasantly surprised by the fact that despite their interest in selling the romance the story doesn’t stop asking the tricky questions about the robot. Last week there were so many moments I felt she should be waking up to the fact he is robot, sorry, my understanding is that she loves him with the unsconscious idea that he is almost like a person. That moment he plays the piano like a machine, learning in minutes, not even feeling the music, he goes to a movie but has no interest in the story and can’t feel sad about the story, I thought she would have some doubts but guess not. Besides it’s almost as if the writing showed us him behaving like a machine but the pd took it as ordinary romantic scenes, which often happens in this drama.
This week they took these questions even further because not only his brain is not his possession, he doesn’t have free will. Even if manual mode is erased doesn’t mean anything, somebody can have access to his memory at any time.
Crazy OriShin became a villain! It would be fine if he was just lashing out at his mom, YJ and Grandpa but when he hurts weaker people, he is mean for no reason to a kid or becomes obssessed with SB just because she likes the robot, he steps over the line to plain cruelty.
I’m so bored with Grandpa I wished Shin had pushed him. Sorry. He is a robot anyway, he can’t feel guilt. Or can he? Besides, it would have been poetic justice, to be killed by the machine he liked better than his family.
A silly detail but still, RoRa is so smart, that watch is great for dramatic purposes but she would really never put his battery in such an easy place.
Also, I’m guessing people must have liked it but I found that ending of 30 super cheesy, how could he overide manual mode? Please don’t tell it’s the power of love show! If he had some kind of rule against hurting humans in a bad way this should have kicked him with grampa, I’m thinking they should say something like he is uncapable of really hurting his Priority Human even in manual mode. It’s not a perfect explanation but it’s the best I could come up so far. If anyone has any others before next please share! 🙂
Midnight
July 31, 2018 at 9:17 AM
Asimov’s 3 Laws of Robotics?
I’m not watching this show so I don’t know if this applies, just been following comments and fan wall posts.
Lixie
July 31, 2018 at 11:14 AM
If he couldn’t harm humans he couldn’t have attacked SB or the granfather.
namedx
July 31, 2018 at 9:28 AM
Thank you for this. Some really interesting (& great) points!! Points which I honestly try very hard not to think about lest it gets in the way of my viewing pleasure, lol.
I do think the love between human and robot is at times an odd equation, but when looking at the universality of the themes show is looking to explore, then the love is no longer bound by the impossible, rather it’s about the existing intricacies which surround human emotions and how it evolves (to varying degrees) in all aspects of life, no matter the relationship. So-bong’s love for shinrobot feels very human and gives it a believable and almost measurable quality. But that’s not to say shin-robot’s love is any less. It perhaps doesn’t channel itself like human emotions do, but the essence is still very much the same. He cares, protects, offers comfort all within the realms of what’s possible for him. And that for me is the sole reason for wanting to root for them.
Lixie
July 31, 2018 at 11:19 AM
I understand, I’m still not sold that he has true emotions because the story hasn’t shown me that much but her love is very believable.
Cloggie
July 31, 2018 at 9:38 AM
The other explanation for overriding the manual mode could of course be that RoboShin had some help? The scene never switched back to DogShin, and stayed on the rooftop. But what if someone interfered when they realised DogShin wasn’t going to stop until So Bong was dead?
The first five minutes of ep 16 will prob. prove me totally wrong lol
Lixie
July 31, 2018 at 11:11 AM
Right, this could explain it but I doubt they will pass up the more romantic explanation of him being able to take control. This show sometimes has good surprises though!
librarianerin
July 31, 2018 at 11:19 AM
I find it entirely plausible that a learning AI, who has been attempting to thwart a device, would find a way around a hurriedly created code for a manual mode. And that the trigger for the switch would be the tears (note: Grandpa had none) that was its first and strongest rule. Then the priority human rule would have come out and the codes battling each other would have given it the loophole. Just a guess though. AI is well beyond my reality capabilities.
I do find it intriguing how SoBong never really forgets that he is a robot and likes him for what he is anyway. How is that different from someone who falls for a person, with say ALS? Or a seizure disorder? It does bring up questions of personhood, but loving someone in spite of their shortfalls is pretty powerful stuff.
Cloggie
July 31, 2018 at 11:24 AM
I completely agree about So Bong’s love! She doesn’t see him for anything that he isn’t – or wants what he cannot give – and that’s what’s so amazing about her.
Lixie
July 31, 2018 at 1:02 PM
I had not thought that hugging rule might come in handy here, thanks for another explanation. 🙂
About SB not forgetting he is a robot I agree but like I said I just have a feeling she believes he has a personality, she has said herself that he is his own person. The show itself however has not yet convinced me he has one. A person with any kind of mental problem is still a person, has a past, has an identity. I’m never sure with Shin3 how much of his behavior comes from a program, from the nicest things he does to the worst, he can’t really take all the responsabillity. He’s able to make logical choices but where are his unique personality traits?
librarianerin
July 31, 2018 at 2:27 PM
To play devil’s advocate: I think that’s where the learning AI comes in. If learning AI can write its own programming (and he has), then isn’t his personality stemming from the programming choices he is making?
I could also argue that we are all shaped by “programming” by our parents/village from an early age, and it isn’t until we are older that we start to choose which of the programs we keep and which we follow.
It’s a very interesting dilemma that the writer has presented, because it can be terrifying, and it’s something really close technologically speaking. It also really brings into question what really makes us human, because our DNA could be seen as a program of sorts.
Lixie
July 31, 2018 at 3:02 PM
I think it’s not very easy to explain but one more reason that leads me to believe he isn’t “his own person” is something we already knew and he keeps saying it. He has no ambition, which I guess also means he has no desire, for anything. Isn’t this at the very core of being human? From food to having purpose we want something, big or small, always. He doesn’t. Except when it’s convenient to make him miss his mom or SB, which is why this seems more like the result of a program than Shin3 actually having feelings.
I don’t quite understand why the fact that he is capable of evolving would necessarily give him the capacity or the reason to create something like a personality. Did he make any illogical choices like we so commonly do? Did he become contradictory like we do sometimes? If he did I would start believing he has some true emotions.