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For Eagle Brothers: Episodes 35-36 (Drama Hangout)

Welcome to the Drama Hangout for KBS weekender For Eagle Brothers, starring Eom Ji-won and Ahn Jae-wook.

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Looks like we are entering the "makjang" stretch of our drama (which is fairly typical of weekenders going into their closing act)

Cheon-Su spent years in a marriage with a wife who ended up cheating on him after emotionally and financially abusing him, i hope he tell her to go away and doesnt ruin his new relationship.

Poor Kang-Soo, i felt so sorry for him, he deserved to know the truth but not in such an ugly manner Dokgo Tak, is a terrible person, i am worried his loveline is going to be rushed near the end, he should have gotten more screentime than the dancer brother whose storyline is so uninteresting.

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Dancer Brother and his story should have been omitted entirely. Then there would have been time for Kang-soo and Bom.

As for Cheon-soo, he is an abused spouse even if his wife never hit him, although she probably did- and cheating on him was just an extension of that abuse. He will not be fooled again.

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Its difficult for abused spouses to recognise that what is happening to them is abuse, especially when its not physical.

Cheon-Su is finally picking up the pieces of his life and is doing well, that lady is so shameless to come and ruin his progress

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You are so right about the abused spouses. It is actually a recognized part of the abuse pattern, including the idea that they deserve the abuse.

It is even harder when the abuse is not physical or at least does not result in injury. This simple fact is why we long thought of it as mostly wives being abused when the sad truth is that both sexes are about equal in terms of percentages.

His wife being shameless about this and putting on the penitence act is also part of the pattern.

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Episode 35 ended with emotional whiplash: Just as Gwangsuk is about to announce her relationship with our ML to her family is exactly when Chunsoo’s soon to be ex-wife shows up at the door. NOOOOOOOOOOO! You have got to be kidding me. Talk about spoiling the mood.

Maknae talks to Mi-ae- who cries afterwards. Dokgo Tak sees this. Oh dear.

Seri spent the night at the Eagle home and, rather than returning to her parents she will now work for Mi-sun- and live in Mi-sun’s house. But first she had a nice talk with Maknae- who was almost like an Oppa trying to guide his little sister on the right path. Professor Brother has been given the go ahead to be with Seri- from his own family but not from Dokgo Tak.

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I was glad that Seri left Eagle Brewery.
(I'm not sure living with Misun is the best option, on the other hand, the rest of the family will now hopefully let her be to live her life, at least a bit. And Misun is a nice and kind person. )

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Gwangsook should take the advice she gives the brothers. She wishes them well in all their endeavors, tells them not to feel guilty about it but can't do same for herself.
It really hurts to see her hiding like a teenager from her parents.

Mr. Go🥂😸. Man knows how to take a cue🤣.

I don't know who I worry for more. Seri omma or Kang-soo?

Can we have less of 3rd brother please. That time can be spent on developing Bom and Kang-soo.

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Even though we only saw Bom for about a minute in ep 35, the look on her face when her father announced his love interest was foreboding. I am eager to see her and Kang soo's relationship develop, but I worry that perhaps another story arc with her disapproval of her father's relationship will come front and center before that.

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I took it to mean that her dad is stepping into a new relationship and she's yet to even have one.

I'm guessing Kang-soo came to her mind in that moment.

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Ahh, maybe that's it. I thought that she was disappointed because she had her heart set on the Professor woman to be in her family - she was pushing pretty hard for her father and the Prof to get together.

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There was an element of that but do not forget that Bom did meet Gwangsuk once and thought that she was very beautiful. Once they meet again, she may forget about her professor.

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The ex-wife just had re-appear the day before their divorce is finalized and Chun-soo proposes to Mi-sun. 🙄

Mr Go, you sly baldy! 😂

Is Bom still upset that Chairman Han didn't date her professor? She seems to have reservations about the new girlfriend. 🤔

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Re Bom: yeah, she had a pretty sour look on her face. I think she just may be one of probably several roadblocks to the Chairman's and Gwansook's future happiness together. Bom was pushing for the Prof pretty hard in earlier episodes.

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FOMO?! That is the reason Beom-Soo is willing to reverse course, eliminate his principles and common sense, and endanger his livelihood and child custody because Seri was the first person to show interest in him (secondarily after Ha Ni)??? That he may never have an opportunity to find another love? Worst myopic reasoning ever. He has been at the university less than a semester. He is just settling in. He has not even started his academic social life with other professors. He will have plenty of opportunities to meet new people. Why bet everything on the first problematic child who likes him?

Again, there has to be a gas leak in the brewery for the Eagle family to change their minds so suddenly and dramatically to approve Beom Soo dating Seri.

Almost as aggravating is Gang-Soo’s melancholy about not being an Eagle Bro. We learn that Mrs. Oh was alive which makes Gang-soo’s adoption clear. Legally and morally he is an Oh. Period. Why wallow in a stigma that is not relevant to your family bonds with your brothers? And Mi-Ae has no basis for pushing herself into his life. She gave that up long, long ago.

Han’s neediness is getting grating as well. A couple of weeks of dating to impose another deadline on Gwang-Sook was too much. Let the lady breathe! He is also near-sighted in his race to the alter he did not pick up on Bom’s discomfort with his dating news. She was supportive in the past but now that it is real, she feels guilt of her mother. I also dislike Han buying his way into Eagle good graces with a 400 sandwich order per week on his employees (what if they don’t like toast? Or allergic to eggs?) FYI, an Issac Toast in Seoul is $5 US that equals a $2,000 weekly sale.

The jarring plot direction changes are unforgivable. I thought Mi-Soon said last week she had hired a new part-timer who would start in a week. Even if the position was open, she knew the powder keg family issues with Seri and Eagle. Why get involved? Why open her home? Why is she being TOO NICE? Next, So Yeon crawling back to Chun-Soo the day before the Court finalizes their agreed divorce was an unexpected nightmare. She wasted all the family savings, her temporary visa expired when their daughter went to college and now she wants to reconcile?

The only good thing in Episode 35 was Mr. Go leading Gwang-Sook’s mom to jealousy by faking time with his blind date. Bravo, Mr. Go, Bravo.

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I agree with most of this but remember that we still have 15 episodes to go- so problematic is actually needed.

But Beom-soo's reasoning was indeed unreasonable particularly after Hani's babymama has put him on notice that there will be a custody problem.

So-yeon's interruption actually makes dramatic sense- for all the reasons you have cited it is consistent with her lack of character.

Even if Mi-soon had hired a part-timer last week I would note that the help wanted sign was still up so that must have fallen through.

Gangsoo's adoption being legal was never in doubt to me- he had to have passed the background security investigation in order to be accepted to the Naval Academy. A fake adoption would have been a major red flag. Even if he were ultimately accepted, he certainly would have known all about being adopted at that time.

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I wasn't too happy with Chairman Han's involvement in the toast business of Former Idol Brother either. On the other hand, this may be a cultural difference, it may be that Korea still considers offering positions and taking care of the relatives business as the right way how to show care and family love/bonds.

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It is not a radical thing to say that Korea has been a patriarchal society and the tensions emanating from how the relations between men and women are still highly influenced by the insistence on regulating girls and women’s lives. It goes without saying that some women have benefitted from this coercive control over other women’s lives and have collaborated in their continuing repression. The pace of economic change has strained these patriarchal attitudes and institutions but has not broken them. The way that some of the men in this show speak, behave and interact with women is from a familiar playbook. The chairman while not being a vile chebol has had the privilege of gender, wealth and high position to largely sail through life. He is polite but still orders most people around, is used to having the only say that matters and doesn’t take no for an answer. To try and micromanage other people’s lives even if he is well-intentioned is still exerting control and that is ugly in itself. The idiot brother who is as useless as they come correctly pointed to the fact that Han has approached the brothers under a false premise even though they should have all thought long and hard about why Han would take such an intense interest in their lives but the idiot wasn’t smart and perceptive enough to look beyond the manna from heaven and only now decides to throw a moronic tantrum. The more I see of this idiotic character, the more I think this was a public revenge project against a real life idiot/s from the writer’s or another’s life as he is entitlement personified without any redeeming features. This must explain why so many hours have been allocated to this singularly dim, charmless, hopeless, deluded and entitled basic man.

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Your hypothesis as to why Zumba/Toast Brother was inserted into this weekender- where it otherwise serves no purpose- is the first rational explanation that I have seen for his story arc. If true, the writer should have put such considerations aside and reduced the number of brothers to four.

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Third Bro does nothing in this drama except annoy me with his tone-deaf and childish antics.

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The only redeemable quality he has is his fierce loyalty to his family. He considered Gwang-sook family enough to defend her in an earlier episode when she had that confrontation with Cheun-soo's cannot-be-ex-soon-enough wife. Sadly, that same loyalty resulted in that meltdown about Gwang-sook dating Chairman Han. His immaturity is beyond reasoning.

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At the heart of third brother's character is on simple truth: He never grew up. Both of his younger brothers are way more mature than he is.

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I was thinking about 3rd brother on the train today- we may wish him gone, but he succeeds as a character by having us talk/think about him way to much- and I realised that he is actually the same character as Dokgo Tak. Impetuous, stupid, entitled.
I've made a whole fantasy subplot where there is a second birth secret (Makjang!) and toast brother is Silla brewery's secret love child. Possibly by a cousin of the Eagle Brewery family, which is how he came to be adopted...
Certainly Maknae is much more like the other Eagles personality wise than zumba/toast brother is.

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Zumba/Toast Brother continues to live on in our heads utterly rent free. Think of him as a parasite.

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I was thinking the same!! I realized that as much as I disliked the characters and the story arc of the 3rd brother and the hairdresser, I have commented about them the most for this drama.

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Episode 36 had many Rights and Wrongs.

Gang-Soo was formally adopted by Oh parents. It took too long to ease his mind by his brothers when Silla Dad leaked it. At least Beom Soo and his parents knew Mi-Ae is the birth mother; and as I thought Oh Dad made the deal to not file charges against Silla in exchange for her leaving Gang-Soo’s life forever.

South Korea divorce law requires a mandatory waiting period prior to finalization. If one party changes their mind, the divorce petition is canceled. A party can file a new contested petition for trial (for which Chun-Soo has the grounds to proceed).

Heung-Soo is right that Han helped the Brothers because of affection toward Gwang-Sook. But he is clueless on how the real world works. In South Korea, for centuries to present, interlocking directorates, affiliations and mutual assistance is embedded in society’s norms. Han is merely following business bonds in his personal life.

Heung-Soo was within his right to share his feelings for Jang-Soo’s memory but he was insensitive to Gwang-Sook. In fact, the whole Eagle family has sensitivity issues, but that is why they are too nice too often.

The Brothers are all guilty of hiding key facts to deceive others. The worst offender may be Beom-Soo.

Chun-Soo was absolutely right to yell at So Yeon, who I will call “Snake” from now on, for showing up once again to scheme and disrupt the family. Snake was absolutely wrong for staying at the brewery when she was told to leave (trespassing when told to leave a residence can result in a three year jail term.) The premises is owned by Gwang-Sook and not Chun-Soo or the brothers. Snake is totally wrong about being able to profit from a Han-Ma marriage; she is a total stranger after the divorce and the Eagle Bros have no claim to the Han fortune.

Mi-Soon is on a path to get hurt by Snake’s re-appearance. Chun-Soo will put their relationship on hold, and Snake could conspire a counter-claim against Chun-Soo for having his own affair during their marriage. At least Mi-Soon has a good divorce lawyer.

Hairdresser and Vet have a good, natural budding relationship. Heung-Soo is totally out of place to interject anything into it.

The short spy photograph of Seri and Ha Ni is for the custody battle as a piece of evidence for an improper student-teacher relationship. Moral character can be a factor in a custody battle. The writer seems to naively think that since Seri dropped out there is no ramifications for Beom-Soo. I strongly differ.

Bom is trying hard to get Gang-Soo to open up to her, but she is continually shot down. You can see her sadness growing that her relationship has not started. As viewers, we totally agree with her.

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"Hairdresser and Vet have a good, natural budding relationship. Heung-Soo is totally out of place to interject anything into it." I agree with you regarding the budding relationship, and even though it is unlikely I hope they ultimately succeed. However, I'm not liking how Hairdresser is handling things with Dancer Bro. Even though he is a pretty indefensible character with inappropriate reactions I can't say I blame him for his confusion and hurt at her sudden disdain. Even though you can say he allowed it, but she set him up into a position where there is a great power imbalance, and she is coming down hard on him. He was under the impression that she did this for him so they can have a stable future together, and he wasn't wrong about that being her intention. I can see that the scales have fallen from the hairdresser's eyes and she now sees she can do much better, but her acting indignant at his presumptions are to me off-base.

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I think both characters "hear what they want to hear" and not grasp the full picture. I thought it was pretty clear that when she offered him the toast shop it was done solely as he insisted "investor and manager" role only. Now, anyone can change their minds and feelings as time passes.

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If So-yeon 'counterclaims' that Cheonsoo also had an affair that does not change the outcome: It just means that both parties can get a divorce without the consent of the other instead of Cheonsoo alone being in that position- it does not cancel the divorce but rather gives the court twice the reason for granting it. If the court were asked to award some sort of alimony for damages the two claims would also simply cancel each other out- and as far as property is concerned Cheonsoo already gave her everything he had. His interest in the Brewery? He has the least of any of the brothers- just whatever sweat equity could be ascribed to him as it is only the other brothers who kicked in capital. All that So-yeon can do is delay the inevitable and, unfortunately, a contested proceeding can take a long time.

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Divorce is not absolute in Korea. The overriding principle in Korean divorce law remains that a guilty (at fault) party cannot get a divorce judgment. There is no-fault divorces in Korea. If both spouses are found guilty of grounds for a divorce, the court may dismiss the case and the parties remained married unless they file an agreed divorce. Family law attorneys have tried to get "breakdown of a marriage" as a new ground for divorces, but it has not gained any real traction. There is a famous case of a film director who has had a 15 year affair with an actress. He filed for divorce but his spouse refused to grant divorce. The court ruled for the wife despite the long separation.

So-Yeon wants to keep the marriage of record as leverage to get more money from the family. If she can trump up grounds against Chun-Soo, she could get the court to dismiss his petition.

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Interesting- and a significant difference from American law. But even so the other points still remain. Cheonsoo has such a small interest in the Brewery that any attempt by So-yeon to sell the Brewery would be fraudulent. She has no legal basis for any sort of claim against the Brewery itself (unless the writer wants to fantasize one into being- and we all know that Kdrama Law has significant differences from the actual law of the ROK).

It appears that the sole leverage that So-yeon has is her ability to slow down Cheonsoo's petition. In order to actually get the court to dismiss his petition she has to prove that Cheonsoo and Mi-soon had an affair- the burden of proof would be on her. It is not enough to just make an assertion- she needs to back it up with evidence. The nature of this situation is such that the courts would have seen this maneuver before- the judges would have a good idea already of the kind of evidence which is required. Cheonsoo has actually been very careful up until now and (assuming he follows Chairman Han's suggestion and gets a good lawyer) his lawyer will make sure that he knows the score and continues to behave himself.

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Another point of lack of writer's clarity: Gwang-Sook owned 100% because all the brothers disclaimed their inheritance. Even so, Hwang-Sook morally pledged to give them some of the profits if the brewery became successful. The brothers' cash in my mind were treated as loans not equity in the business.

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You may be right about that but treating the contributions as paid in capital changes the balance sheet and makes getting new loans easier as a result- plus it is consistent with treating the brothers as still having an interest in the brewery.

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I first learnt about sweat equity in a staff meeting yesterday. This is the second time I am hearing about it.
I thought it was a fancy word but it actually is an actual thing in business management.

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It is probably recognized in the ROK- there are too many reasons why it makes good business sense. But the problem is what value to place on it- this is usually done by an agreement with the investors. Nor do courts automatically assume that it exists absent such agreements. I would be hugely hesitant to assert it absent such an agreement - preferably a clearly written one.

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In episode 36 Dokgo Tak found his wife’s wooden box with a baby picture, etc- and knows that the baby is not Seri. He then calls our Maknae to invite him to dinner. I would not have minded that so much if it were not that the call came right at the moment when he was going to ask Bom to have a drink with him. At least it was Maknae who asked Bom if they could also be drinking buddies as well as friends. Talk about baby steps: Their romance is proceeding at the most glacial pace possible. Far too much time and oxygen has been sucked up by our useless third brother who was way out of line when he told off Gwangsuk for dating our Chairman. I am afraid that, as a result, there will not be time for Bom and our Maknae’s story.

The unwelcome return of So-yeon has definitely stirred up trouble. It is true that the ninety-day waiting period exists to give people a chance to change their mind about an agreed divorce but none of us is dumb enough to think that her motives are what she claims. Still, it did give our Chairman a chance to point out that Chunsoo probably needs a lawyer.

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I haven't watched yet episode 36, because the entrance of Utterly Selfish Unrepentant (Unfortunately Not Yet) Ex-Wife Drama Queen put me totally off. I'm waiting for this weekend episodes to watch then everything back to back in hope that her arc will be over by then... and we will NEVER see her again! (Should I praise the actress for doing a good job? 😄)

At least Hani got her birthday celebration. 🥳

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