Fan Space: Week of March 17-23, 2025
by DB Staff
Hi Beanies! We’re experimenting with a next gen Open Thread, as some of you have asked for more chat space on a different day/time zone.
Our hope is that this will be a happy place thread that’s active all week long for chatting, sharing feels, and doing all the things we drama fans do.
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1 Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
March 17, 2025 at 12:22 AM
The Witch alternate endings games:
1: An additional unexpected variable pops up and kills them. All those lightning bolts were not just for show.
2: Fall out of love and your spouse conveniently dies. No bad publicity, no alimony, no expensive divorce attorney. People send lots of condolence money.
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alasecond
March 17, 2025 at 5:07 AM
lol.. like someone said
Wait till the date they have a couple fight :D
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bong-soo
March 17, 2025 at 5:30 AM
Lol @lordcobol. As our detective was running down the middle of the street and then found love running back to him I kept yelling to the tv: ‘get off the street! get off the street! there are trucks of doom everywhere and they don’t have brakes in South Korea, (as the car that was coming up behind the detective showed—it never slowed down on approach.) All is well that ends well.
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🌸 Seeker 🌸
March 17, 2025 at 12:06 PM
NGL I had to re-check that there were only 10 episodes and it was really the end. I kept on wondering what would they do next week.
Guess Jinyoung was not bluffing when he said in this drama he spent the least amount of on-screen time with the FL.
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2 KimDewdrop
March 17, 2025 at 12:43 AM
How to manage med school as a k-drama devotee:
I'll be taking some time off to focus on my professional exam coming up on May. But before then, please I'll like to venture into the Japanese drama world with your highly esteemed recommendations. Please recommend a solid j-drama rom-com for a beginner.
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spazmo
March 17, 2025 at 12:58 AM
that's a tough request... j doramas are either goofy/kooky funny, slapstick comedy, romance/melo, droll deadpan humor, melo/amnesia tropey, twisted dark trauma, violent cop/murder.....
i honestly can't think of one...
: O
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Blue (@mayhemf)
March 17, 2025 at 5:12 AM
Agree. I would never look for a romcom in j-drama (the anime acting throws me off). The Full-Time Wife Escapist is the closest I can recommend.
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too_much_tv
March 17, 2025 at 5:02 PM
Oh yeah, I watched that one! It was cute. I think My Love Mix-Up aka Kieta Hatsukoi is a very sweet rom com. It's a BL set in high school. There is almost zero skinship. They do hold hands once. It is 100% emotions and nothing but.
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
March 17, 2025 at 1:09 AM
I look forward to seeing the recommendation list from the J-drama veterans as I tend to find the rom coms very hit and miss. The full time wife escapist is probably the only one that I can happily recommend.
I am more slice of life with a romance element so if you want to see some consistently high quality dramas then I think this is my favourite J-drama genre.
These are some of my favourites: Silent, First love, Where does the sea begin? Unmet, Why I dress up for love, Hold my hand at twilight.
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Anne18
March 17, 2025 at 3:25 AM
Seconding Unmet: A Neurosurgeon's Diary. Highly recommended. You are going through med school? Then maybe you'll appreciate this one. Here are the details:
https://mydramalist.com/765129-unmet-aru-nogekai-no-nikki
All the best for your exam!
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
March 17, 2025 at 6:46 AM
I was trying to remember the beanie who loved Unmet, so I am glad that you popped in to add your view☺️
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KimDewdrop
March 17, 2025 at 7:22 AM
Thanks a lot for this. I'm grateful 🥰
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Kurama
March 17, 2025 at 5:42 AM
Jdramas don't really have the same kind of rom-com than KDramas...
So I can think : Rich Man Poor Girl, 5-ji Kara 9-ji Made, Buzzer Beat
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Lostpanda is now Sadpanda. 🪦 fanwall 🪦
March 17, 2025 at 6:48 AM
If I had to choose one Jdrama: First Love.
It’s beautifully shot. The soundtrack is amazing and it’s guaranteed to make you a fan of the singer that is showcased in the drama (just watch the trailer). It’s a great emotional roller coaster than ends on a high note.
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TwoCentsWorth
March 17, 2025 at 9:52 AM
I just adored First Love. While there’s not much com in it, the rom is just 🫠. It’s my favorite j-drama tho I’ve only watched a few. So thanks Beanies. I’ve also noted the reccos. (However, I may be a rarity in that I didn’t connect with The Full Time Wife Escapist 🫣)
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wonhwa
March 17, 2025 at 6:48 AM
Long Vacation is an older one, but it holds up really well. Nodame Cantibile also has a great central couple if you can handle the heavy slapstick in the early episodes. The much more recent Kieta Hatsukoi (My Love Mix-Up) is also totally adorable, although it's a high school show, not an adult romance. I do agree that j-dramas tend to be quirkier and less likely to slot into the "traditional" rom-com mode than Korean or Chinese dramas.
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kay4625
March 17, 2025 at 7:04 AM
As others mentioned, and one I watched a few weeks ago, The Full-Time Wife Escapist is a delightful rom-com (also has a special/ sequel that came out a few years ago). Definitely recommended.
Ayaka Is In Love With Hiroko is a a fun GL rom-com that I really enjoyed.
Arguably the most serious out of the ones I mention, and not a comedy, but Silent is pretty darn excellent, and is one of my favorite romance dramas in general.
This one is currently airing, but Shiawase Kanako no Koroshiya Seikatsu (Happy Kanako's Killer Life) is a pretty hilarious comedy about a women that ends up becoming a contract killer and finds out she's really good at it. It's wait & see if this one has romance, though it does hint at it.
I also really liked Little Women: Colors Of Sisterhood. However, while it has romantic elements, this one isn't really a romance (even if at first sight you might think it is), so if you're specifically looking for a more traditional romance drama, you won't find it here.
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Dylan [My Dearest Undercover Potato]
March 17, 2025 at 7:59 AM
Hi, resident Jdrama Addict, I’ve got some good recommendations for beginners:
- Todome no Kiss
- Jitenshaya-san no Takahashi-kun
- Marry Me!
- In this Corner of the World
- Neko
- Uso no Sensou
- Monte Cristo: Great Revenge
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KimDewdrop
March 17, 2025 at 8:46 AM
Screenshot with thanks!! 🙏🏾
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beffels
March 18, 2025 at 2:35 AM
I like An Incurable Case of Love. If you’ve watched Playful Kiss it’s a similar vibe but a bit more grown up.
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AmnesiaYawns
March 18, 2025 at 5:49 AM
Jdrama has taken a sharp nose dive in the last twenty years or so, and romcom never was their strong suit.
I haven't found anything on Viki yet that liked /could stand for longer than five minutes (even though my totally sound reasoning for getting Viki solely was "to improve my Japanese with listening practice", that went well).
Anyway, the original "Hana Yori Dango" (Boys over Flowers) is on Viki, which is by now basically something of required watching to understand Drama, since it sets up all the tropes.
It is however also quite toxic (understatement), so you have to see it in the context of it's time. MatsuJun is an adorable asshole and I like him much more than Lee Min Ho in the same role.
"Beach Boys" is on Netflix and focusses more on bromance than on romance, I loved it when it came out and still do. Good for relaxed summer vibes and definetely a place I'd like to visit.
"Tiger and Dragon" is about a yakuza falling in love with traditional, japanese comedy and quite funny, but again, no romcom.
If you can find it, "Nobuta" is an awesome highschool drama. "Trick" (all three seasons) is a supernatural drama with absurd humour, which is delightful, and very low on the romance.
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parkchuna 🍉
March 18, 2025 at 8:30 AM
Hmmm i second the sentiments here, compared to kdramas, J romcoms are not really romancing..however they’re still a good watch if you don’t mind the minute swoon they give us. Some favourites:
A girl & three sweethearts
Hold my hand at Twilight
Only Just Married
There’s one about two besties where the guy is in love with the girl for the longest time but just sort of watched her go through her relationship until her ex came back n tried to get back together (i think it was adapted from a very popular c-drama) very vague but i was hoping someone might know the title.
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Monapilou
March 19, 2025 at 5:56 AM
I enjoyed Buzzer Beat- it is a J rom com centered around a basketballer and a violonist, again more one the rom side, but definitely a bit of com from second leads
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3 jerrykuvira
March 17, 2025 at 12:57 AM
WWW is now back to 1:PM by my time region.
I was so shocked to log in to DB around 2PM to see 34 comments already.
"imo! What happened that 34 comments dropped in less than 3 minutes 🤷🏽" Alas! The post was an hour old🤣🤣🤣.
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Midnight
March 17, 2025 at 2:00 AM
But that is also true. Usually the WWW comments are pre-written, and the first 20 or so are dropped nearly immediately the post goes up.
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Healer’s
March 17, 2025 at 2:20 AM
I never thought I would pre-write my WWW entries but here I am, after the fanwall is gone 😅 To think about it, I think Seo Kangjoon is the reason I have had my WWW entries so far. I have only reported his shows in WWW.
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jerrykuvira
March 17, 2025 at 3:24 AM
The first five or six are definitely a race of network bandwidth speed + refresh button🤣🤣🤣🤣. I'm a part of that guilty lot ;)
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Midnight
March 17, 2025 at 3:37 AM
😂👌
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Isa is always time travelling
March 17, 2025 at 3:41 AM
In my case it is true. I usually write my WWW comment a pair of hours before the post appears.
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Unaspirated
March 17, 2025 at 8:47 AM
I write mine ahead of time because I like to record some thoughts immediately after I finish watching that show for the week!
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Midnight
March 17, 2025 at 9:00 AM
Me too.
Kafiyah Bello
March 17, 2025 at 12:58 PM
I write mine the night before and time my saturdays to catch it, lol.
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parkchuna 🍉
March 18, 2025 at 8:33 AM
Usually by the time i write mine (rare occurrence) nobody reads it anymore 😆
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4 RenOIshi
March 17, 2025 at 1:02 AM
I recently dropped a day at work. I am so close to burnout and I am so proud of myself to have taken this step even though I know my workload will increase. But at least I will have a day to myself without endless back to back meetings. Plus an extra day to catch up on all the dramas on my list? I am sure I won’t be able to watch them all because hello RL is hard! But I am so glad to find a breather for myself. I know I promised I will go back to full time again in a few months time but for now I will enjoy the momentary bliss every Friday will bring!
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
March 17, 2025 at 1:17 AM
Part time working is the new self care. Well done for calling it before you were pushed over the edge. I hope you can enjoy your down time and find a way to keep working reduced hours. Quality of life is so important as life is short. It makes no sense to live in stress mode when down time is just about rest and recovery to get through work rather than truly living a joyful balance.
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RenOIshi
March 17, 2025 at 4:10 AM
Well said. I am just honestly basking in the luxury of being able to work lesser hours. If I had continued on I would have effed up everywhere in life.
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Healer’s
March 17, 2025 at 6:09 AM
After Covid, I took a whole year off work and that was the best year in my life for as far as I could remember. It was the year I watched a lot of Kdramas and started to be active on DB. Now I'm working part-time with a flexible schedule, and just thinking about returning to full-time makes me panic.
I'm glad you're having more time to yourself, although only for a short while. Perhaps you will work out something when those months is up?!
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Healer’s
March 17, 2025 at 6:20 AM
There's one apparent downside to watching a lot of Kdramas though. I've never been a very diligent reader, but I enjoyed reading very much. Since I started to watch Kdramas, the hours I've spent reading books (not DB 😅) has declined significantly.
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
March 17, 2025 at 7:07 AM
I am the Queen of audiobooks now and there are loads of good Korean and Japanese books being translated these days and available on Spotify and Audible.
My latest listens: Clay Walls by Kim Ronyoung
And White Mulberry by Rosa Kwan Easton both covering the occupation period.
Snow in Vietnam: A novel by Amy M Le.
All three authors are telling fictionalised versions of a female relative’s story of strength in a time of adversity.
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Healer’s
March 17, 2025 at 3:44 PM
My husband loves audiobooks and a friend of mine told me she always listens to audiobooks when driving. But audiobooks have never worked for me. If I listen, then it's music. I like the feeling of actually reading the letters, because I can pause at and re-read any part I want to, or just contemplate something while reading. Probably audiobooks make me relive the pressure of following the actions and reading English subs at the same time when watching Kdramas and that's why they are not appealing to me (yet) 😅
RenOIshi
March 17, 2025 at 2:18 PM
You know what? Same!
My first love was reading. I would read so much that my parents banned me from reading LOL! And both are teachers!!! I was that extreme! Drama watching has definitely taken over :(
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Healer’s
March 17, 2025 at 3:46 PM
Yes I still remember the days when I often hid a book under my text book and read while pretending to study, and got caught in the act multiple times by my sisters. I sometimes wish I caught my son doing that, but it's never happened 😅
Sunnyboo ☀️🥰
March 18, 2025 at 3:11 AM
Ah, I was just talking about this with a kdrama buddy, bemoaning the fact that I'm not reading as much as I used to 😫 I miss it so much and yet dramas fill my calendar.
@Healer's I could relate so much to what you were saying. I took 2 years off after Covid...well, I resigned because I was completely burnt out. I was on a flexible part time rotation (which I loved so much) from last year until this week when I started my first fulltime role since the pandemic. I hear you about the panic.
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Healer’s
March 18, 2025 at 5:23 AM
All the best with your new role. I hope you will love it.
I quit my old job after 15 years. I loved it but by that time I was so done with it, so now I don't miss it. What I am doing now suits the current me better.
Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
March 17, 2025 at 6:53 AM
A year off sounds like the dream 🥰 what a gift to give yourself.
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Healer’s
March 17, 2025 at 7:00 AM
I quit my old job then. At first I was afraid I'd have some sort of crisis if I stayed home for too long, but then it turned out too well 😅
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
March 17, 2025 at 7:09 AM
Looks like it worked out very well in the end ☺️
Sunnyboo ☀️🥰
March 18, 2025 at 3:00 AM
Well done @coffeprince4eva Enjoy your one day off to the fullest and may it bring you much rest and rejuvenation.
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parkchuna 🍉
March 18, 2025 at 8:38 AM
Do you get weekends off? I hope you get some time for yourself no matter how busy you get.
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RenOIshi
March 18, 2025 at 8:16 PM
I do have weekends off but those are for kids sports, swimming, doing laundry, cleaning, getting groceries and meeting up with friends. I don't remember the last weekend where I could completely relax :(
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parkchuna 🍉
March 19, 2025 at 2:07 AM
I get what you mean! I love it when there’s absolutely nothing in plans for the weekend and consider it a highly productive one if i get all my laundries done + a bit of housekeeping. Can’t imagine having to squeeze in a partner and kids too, so hats off to you!
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
March 19, 2025 at 10:53 AM
I regularly say adult life can be so boring with all the chores etc. leaving very little time and energy for the fun things.
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5 Kurama
March 17, 2025 at 2:02 AM
Oh it looks like Kim Seon-ho will make an appearance in When Life Gives You Tangerines. I wonder if his role will be important.
I didn't know Lee Joon-young had a role...
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panshel
March 17, 2025 at 4:55 AM
I remember hearing news about Lee Jun-young's casting in When Life Gives You Tangerines, though no word on his role. Ever since that scene between Geum-myeong and her boyfriend/fiancé's mother in Ep 4, I had been wondering who would play her boyfriend. My first thought upon meeting Lee Jun-young's character was "Netflix must love him" because he'll be in back-to-back-to-back Netflix Originals (Melo Movie, Tangerines, Weak Hero Class 2) as well as staring in D.P., Mask Girl, Love and Leashes, and Badland Hunters.
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🌸 Seeker 🌸
March 17, 2025 at 12:14 PM
😱😭 Netflix has a new son. 🤣
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panshel
March 17, 2025 at 1:54 PM
He deserves to be (one of) the chosen one. 🥰
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🌸 Seeker 🌸
March 17, 2025 at 4:30 PM
😊❤
parkchuna 🍉
March 19, 2025 at 2:08 AM
I guess song kang is parentless now? Hehe
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🌸 Seeker 🌸
March 20, 2025 at 6:46 AM
I should hope not. 🤞🏻🙏🏻
Meanwhile his DB girlfriend @Anne18 sure misses him
when she is not simping over other Oppas.Anne18
March 20, 2025 at 7:40 AM
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Anne18
March 20, 2025 at 7:41 AM
😂😂😂 @seeker, as long as I am here, he'll never be girlfriend-less, at least! And a little look here and there, won't hurt my OG oppa 😉
🌸 Seeker 🌸
March 20, 2025 at 8:56 AM
Dae, dae uri Anne sshi. Uri parkchuna knows all about collecting Oppas. 💪🏻😂
parkchuna 🍉
March 21, 2025 at 12:10 AM
@seeker who, me? *hide all the oppas*
I have trust issues with oppas now.
🌸 Seeker 🌸
March 21, 2025 at 12:16 AM
Sigh, I don't blame you. It is getting a bit tough to get enthused - RL sucks and the is no Fanwall to rave and rant. 😭 No other wordly space can make up for that.
6 Healer’s
March 17, 2025 at 2:16 AM
What qualities do you think an actor needs to have to be able to play a villain?
This is a genuine question I often think to myself which I don't have an answer to. The recent discussion in WWW encouraged me to put this question out here, where I said I believed Junho's Seo Yul in Chief Kim was an undercover prosecutor for more than half of the show and that was the reason I kept watching, because it's not my favourite genre. While watching, I kept feeling that he (Seo Yul) didn't have that "evilness" in him, which turned out to be true because the character wasn't written to be evil and Junho delivered. But I wonder if I, as a viewer, am supposed to hate Seo Yul at some point? Because I never did.
At the moment I'm watching Undercover High School, and Seo Kangjoon is playing a righteous character. But there were moments where I could see a tint in his eyes which made me think he could very well play a villain, that he can deliver that cold and villany gaze if he wants to.
Among my favourite actors, I can see Seo Kangjoon, Ahn Bohyun, or Woo Dohwan in villain roles, because they have that shade in their eyes, which I can't see in Ji Changwook, Park Hyungsik, Lee Jehoon, and Junho (that's why I talked about Junho's role in Chief Kim although it is not totally relevant).
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Kurama
March 17, 2025 at 3:00 AM
I think it depends the kind of villain.
I often think some actors choose "crazyness" to play a villain and it completely lacks subtility.
I can see Ji Chang-Wook playing a villain, he tooks grey characters lastly.
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Healer’s
March 17, 2025 at 3:27 AM
I think "craziness" is a shade of villain but villainy needs more than that, and can do without that.
Yes I agree, it depends on the kind of villain. Grey characters is a different topic though. Grey characters are actually my (most?) favourite kind of characters.
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Unaspirated
March 17, 2025 at 3:18 PM
I agree, there are so many flavors of villain, and I'm sure some actors would be better at certain ones than others. But I think if a solid actor has sufficient support and time to prepare, anyone could be a pretty competent villain. Claire, of your list I think I could picture any of these actors in a villain role (and am super excited for PHS's turn as a villain later this year!) - they have all had moments in other dramas that were more dangerous, where they almost lost control, or had a super commanding presence. Sometimes that's all it takes to plant that seed!
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Midnight
March 17, 2025 at 3:45 AM
I can very well imagine why you thought that about SKJ. I have seen him in Grid. There is often a steely glint in his eyes that makes it very easy to imagine him as a villain. But I can't answer your question at all. Because to me, SKJ always has traces of that glint at the back of his eyes, even when he is playing the comedic good guy, even when it's himself in an interview.
But for example Jun? There's no trace of the crazy look he had in Brave Citizen, in for example his role in May I Help You. Even when his role has a distinct hardness, like in Imitation, he doesn't look anywhere as spine-tingling as in Class of Lies.
Tl;DR: I don't know! 😂
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Healer’s
March 17, 2025 at 3:58 AM
About SKJ, yes, what you said about his eyes is what stands out for me about him compared to other actors that I have watched enough to make the observations. And that "steely glint" in SKJ's eyes is just a smile away from his cutest and sweetest and most adorable face.
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I ♥️ bad dramas
March 18, 2025 at 1:47 AM
I'll always remember his appearance in Roommate where he'd sometimes have difficulty stringing words together 😍😁
He was really adorable back then.
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Healer’s
March 18, 2025 at 2:54 AM
Is it the show with Lee Dongwook and other stars? I haven't watched that one.
SKJ has a mellow and dreamy vibe in real life.
Healer’s
March 18, 2025 at 2:55 AM
*not real life, because we never know what they are like in real life. I mean in reality shows and interviews 😅
I ♥️ bad dramas
March 18, 2025 at 10:57 AM
@claire2009 yes LDW, Nana, a few idols, models, singers...
bewitched
March 17, 2025 at 4:24 AM
Ohhh I like the actors you mentioned. Villain pretty boy edition. I think as long as they are smart enough, can imagine or analyze how the villain mind works, have the skill to act it out, they can be a good villain no matter how pretty they look. I think the actors (except maybe Ahn Bo-hyun) you mentioned are skillfull enough to pull a believeable villain if given a good script. I would also add Im Si-wan to your list of actors who can portray a villain.
As for Junho in Chief Kim, I think the problem is with the script? We were shown he was a competent prosecutor in the beginning before he resigned so it’s hard to accept he would turn bad. After joining TK, he was also cruel only for a while (threatening the lady director and humiliating Chief Kim) until the Chairman betrayed him. He was always mentioned as a “villain” in the promotion when he's not the biggest baddie.
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Healer’s
March 17, 2025 at 6:16 AM
😂 😂 😂
As I am watching Buried Hearts, I get to see Park Hyungsik portraying strong emotions I haven't got to see in his characters before, but I still can't see how those eyes of his can be the eyes of a villain, like, a full villain, not a gray character. Not sure if those pretty boys will ever play villains, but it'd be something I'd love to watch.
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Gikata
March 17, 2025 at 8:52 AM
Isn't he playing main baddie in his next drama? That star-studded superhero flick... TWELVE? I have no interest in it plot-wise, but for his first full-time villain role...
He certainly CAN do unhinged and not nice though - before breaking out as doe-eyed heartthrob, he played a bunch of violently angsty youngsters, namely in SIRIUS and WHTMF.
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Healer’s
March 17, 2025 at 3:56 PM
I forgot that we're going to see him as a villain in Twelve soon!! So excited.
Oh did he, apparently I haven't watched him enough. I watched WHTMF in parts and saw the unhinged, violently angsty-ness but it wasn't a dangerous character.
bewitched
March 17, 2025 at 4:59 PM
Oh you're right. The news feels so long ago but apparently according to Wikipedia they just started filming October 2024.
"before breaking out as doe-eyed heartthrob" true! Sometimes their role before being promoted to the protagonist male lead is more memorable.
Gikata
March 17, 2025 at 5:04 PM
@claire2009 you really should watch SIRIUS (only his parts - first ~10 mins of each episode, adult plot AND actor were so not it), it's a whole another level of edge and violence - still not "evil", but certainly solid dangerous.
Healer’s
March 17, 2025 at 11:14 PM
Thanks, @gikata. Noted!
Unaspirated
March 17, 2025 at 3:22 PM
But also - some of the best villains are gray characters! Don't write them off because they have flickers of redeeming qualities. One of my fav villains of all time was Lady Park from The Matchmakers, and one of the reasons she was so scary because she was sometimes so kind.
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Healer’s
March 17, 2025 at 3:53 PM
Yes I agree, I think the best villains have "morally gray character" as prerequisite. Then they need many other things too: wickedness, evilness, coldness,...
Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
March 17, 2025 at 6:39 AM
I am loving ‘villain pretty boy edition’ as a sub category🤣 I can’t add to the discussion though as I can’t handle watching anything which would have this kind of category. I watched Chief Kim and Healer but had to fast forwarding through the villain scenes.
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bewitched
March 17, 2025 at 5:00 PM
Villain pretty boy is more memorable than the sometimes boring lead role, yes?😂
I enjoy the comedic scenes in Chief Kim so much. You can fast forward and still enjoy the show.
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
March 17, 2025 at 10:00 PM
The comedy in Chief Kim made what should have been a boring focus hilarious; it had proper laugh out loud tears in the eyes moments.
stove
March 19, 2025 at 9:25 AM
Lee Soo Hyun in The Scholar Who Walks the Night was a formidable villain.
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monmor
March 17, 2025 at 5:06 AM
An Bohyun does play a somewhat villainous role in Kairos.
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Healer’s
March 17, 2025 at 6:21 AM
And in Itaewon Class too, and he did a good job.
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Gikata
March 17, 2025 at 8:53 AM
He was full-on "face that asks being hit by a brick" nasty in IC, took me some effort to shake that memorable impression.
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Healer’s
March 17, 2025 at 3:57 PM
Maybe that was the motivation for him to accept Yumi's cells and See you in my 19th life 😅
bong-soo
March 17, 2025 at 5:50 AM
Seo Kang-joon has already played a villain role that I can recall. He can do nasty quite well. I am referring to his performance as the original (or human if you will) Nam Shin in KBS’s ARE YOU HUMAN TOO? (Viki US) (2018).
He gave a great performance in AYHT playing dual roles: the original Nam Shin and the now (lol) more famous android Nam Shin III.
I used to warn folks who first came to SKJ in JTBC’s WEATHER (2020) (Viki US) to be prepared for a very different SKJ in AYHT.
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Healer’s
March 17, 2025 at 6:24 AM
Yes, SKJ is very different from role to role, and the difference between human Nam Shin and robot Nam Shin that he delivered in AYHT is fascinating. He's a versatile actor.
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Kodra aka Qanon something
March 17, 2025 at 6:11 AM
Oh, that's a tough one, I am still thinking about it. But before I can gather my thoughts on it, I have a question for you all: Have you always thought that Seo Kangjoon can play a villan well? Because I have only seen Seo Kangjoon in When the weather is fine and, with that baby face of his from 5 years ago, I would not have thought that he could. He changed his face, he looks more mature now. Did you see his villany gaze before?
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Midnight
March 17, 2025 at 6:23 AM
Yes, I've always noticed it. Grid that I mentioned is from 2022, and I also saw it in Are You Human Too. He was the protagonist in both of those shows, but I always felt like he would easily kill if he had to.
I watched When The Weather is Fine recently, knowing all the story. But while I was watching it crossed my mind many times that if I had started it without any context, I could easily expect it to turn into horror genre any second!! SKJ's mysterious smile and piercing gaze could very well be a psychopath's! 😂😂 And I don't mean that he wasn't convincing as the good boy. I just mean that he has the potential to turn rogue any second. It's fascinating to watch actually.
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Healer’s
March 17, 2025 at 6:28 AM
@midnight That's hilarious about SKJ and Weather 🤣🤣🤣 Anyhow, I'd love to hear your opinion about that show, because I'm on the fence. I want to watch for SKJ and Lee Jaewook, and the little sister, but then I often have problem enjoying the FL's performance, so I'm very hesitant.
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Midnight
March 17, 2025 at 7:52 AM
Weather is the only time I've loved Lee Jae Wook's character. I finished that show for him.
I didn't like the fl AT ALL. This might is a mild spoiler so proceed at your own risk 😅
The way she practically bulldozed the ml into a relationship, and constantly broke his boundaries, forced herself on him, never even stopped to think how he would feel, ruined the show for me.
If she was a much mellower character I still probably wouldn't have loved the show, but wouldn't dislike it this much either.
Margo of the Resilient Lip Gloss
March 17, 2025 at 8:18 AM
The FL's character in When the Weather is not entirely sympathetic, definitely in the grey category. Park Min Young does an excellent job of it, so go ahead and dislike her if that is your inclination. I think that's part of the story it's telling, about identity and forgiveness.
Romance is part of the structure, not the story.
And I got angry at the same things @Midnight ! But I really loved the show.
So many excellent performaces, excellent charaters. Definitely one to watch if you are a Lee Jae Wook fan. It's his best.
Isa is always time travelling
March 17, 2025 at 10:37 AM
The FL was my "less favorite thing" in When the weather is fine (although Park Min Young played her well. It has been the only drama where I have watched her to date).
But I loved the rest of the show. I even included it in my Top 10 last year.
Margo of the Resilient Lip Gloss
March 17, 2025 at 12:19 PM
@IsaGC Thinking about why I disliked her so much, and what it was about her character I found so triggering, was a big part of the story for me.
I was so surprised at the end by who I actually found sympathetic and grounding.
Healer’s
March 17, 2025 at 4:00 PM
@midnight @fancypants @isagc Thanks so much for your takes on the show. I'd put it on hold for now.
Kurama
March 18, 2025 at 5:55 AM
I loved this show for its ambiance : not in Seoul, the winter and its cosiness, the silences, the book club.
I think the writing was good for the present but there were some holes in the past events.
Kodra aka Qanon something
March 17, 2025 at 6:40 AM
Pff, he fooled me 🤣🤣 Did not see it there but I see it now. For me it's like 2 different actors playing in each drama, I only recognize the nice smile that appears sometimes n UHS.
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bewitched
March 17, 2025 at 5:06 PM
I didn't watch When the Weather is Fine but I know your feeling!😂 For me it was when watching Love Scout, the scenes could go thriller any second, like the back hug in the balcony could turn into a neck choke.
Was it because of the previous drama? When the Weather is Fine is right after Watcher. All 3 main leads are suspicious for some time.
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Midnight
March 17, 2025 at 5:54 PM
No I haven't watched Watcher!
I know exactly what you mean about that back hug! RIP fanwall, or I would have linked to my thoughts on back hugs in general!
Healer’s
March 17, 2025 at 11:16 PM
😂😂😂
@midnight I didn't get to read what you said about backhugs. Is there a chance/way you can share it again?
bewitched
March 17, 2025 at 11:43 PM
@midnight Really just because of his eyes and smile then😂. I would love to read your thoughts on back hugs. Indeed RIP fanwall!
Midnight
March 18, 2025 at 12:10 AM
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Midnight
March 18, 2025 at 12:11 AM
@claire2009 @bewitched
It was a short paragraph in one of my posts in the King the Land review series. 😅😅 Here it is:
That back hugging scene is one of my favorite scenes too! First, it is their first day together, and none of them knows how exactly to act at work yet. And they are trying to be concise in public so they leave so much out… Already on the way to misunderstanding, and then that backhug!
Every time I see a surprise back hug in a drama very early in a relationship I shiver. Is the other person ready for that? Isn’t the
other person frightened? I always prefer it to come much later in the relationship, and definitely not as a surprise. So that
backhug (and the one in the street that comes later) both make me laugh because the reactions feel so real to me!
bewitched
March 18, 2025 at 12:49 AM
@midnight I forgot that scene, sorry Junho😂. Was Yoona a bit skittish?
"I always prefer it to come much later in the relationship" I agree, somehow backhug is more intimate than regular hug. I don't remember the details but I remember I like the one in I Hear Your Voice because it didn't come as awkward.
Midnight
March 18, 2025 at 12:55 AM
@bewitched
The first time Sarang tried doing it to sooth him for having ignored him during work, and he jumped out of his skin 😂 and then turned around with such unlover-like indignation that Sarang misunderstood him for being angry because of the ignoring 😁
Later he tried it in the bus stop and she immediately elbowed him in the chest 😆😆
bewitched
March 18, 2025 at 1:01 AM
@midnight Oh those ones! None of them are ready for it😂
Healer’s
March 18, 2025 at 5:38 AM
@midnight I agree about backhugs and some other things couple do. It depends on the context, some acts can look pretty uncomfortable. And I am someone who don't like surprises in general. If someone is going to give me a backhug, please make their presence (and probably intention) known first 😅
@bewitched I love the backhug in I hear your voice (I love that OTP) that I made GIFs of it long ago. It's one of the most memorable backhugs to me. Here it is
https://imgur.com/SAzRAOl
https://imgur.com/GXPbaey
https://imgur.com/IWp7YaH
bewitched
March 18, 2025 at 4:47 PM
@claire2009 the GIFS😍. I don't even like noona romance but that back hug scene is great even until now.
Healer’s
March 17, 2025 at 6:38 AM
SKJ's first show that I watched was Watcher, and no, at that time the thought of him playing a villain never occured to me. If you watched his character in Watcher then you'd know what I mean.
Then I watched him play a dual role in Are you human too and his villainous version is scary. His eyes are cold, and like @midnight said, he gives you the feeling that he can kill anytime. But I didn't think too much about that. After all, his character is supposed to be villainous.
But then in the currently airing Undercover High School, as I said above, there are very brief moments, like during a fight move, or a head tilt, that I can see a steely glint in his eyes. It's interesting though, because, like Mr Ollivanders said about Harry Potter and Voldemort, they can do big and scary things if they choose to go that path, that glint in SKJ's eyes makes me imagine he play a character like that, scary when he wants to be.
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Kodra aka Qanon something
March 17, 2025 at 1:05 PM
I only saw about 7 or 8 episodes of Chief Kim and I was convinced that he was faking it. My thoughts at that time were "he is Junho, he can't be the villan". I didn't think at that time that he cannot act a villan, but because he would not chose such a role, at least at this time of his career. Having such dreadful fans in SK that can turn against you in a split of a second is no joke in SK, as we can all see. Just remember all the Eun-seong nicknames circulated here last year. And, as far as I know, he didn't have the trajectory of Namkoong Min or even SKJ where they could play with those skills earlier in the career, he rose to the top pretty fast.
Now, the question is if he can do it if he wants to. Is it too late in the career to learn them when he is doing just great without them? Does he have the IQ, the talent, the personna, gravitas, the charisma to do it? Is he comfortable being the bad guy? Does he need to be considered a versatile actor? Can one be considered a better actor if he/she is versatile? Or one has to have some of it (madness) in himself to be able to play a real villan? (If that is whatit requires, I don't think he has any of it at the moment).
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Midnight
March 17, 2025 at 1:47 PM
It was my first time seeing Junho in anything, I didn't know who he was at all, so this probably helped a lot to just go with the flow of the story.
Healer’s
March 17, 2025 at 2:12 PM
@midnight Same here. I had had no idea who he was when I started Chief Kim.
Healer’s
March 17, 2025 at 4:05 PM
All the questions you posed are exactly the reason I asked my question in the first place. Like, do some actors have "it" in them to play an enchanting villain, if given good scripts and direction.
Gikata
March 17, 2025 at 9:12 AM
Just like with any other type of role, it comes down to 3 elements: visuals (certain people have easy to make appear scary face), skills (obvious) and charisma (natural or trained ability to create evil vibe). You don't need all 3 to make a convincing screen baddie though, usually solid 1 or 2 would be enough. Good actors are expected to have both skills and rizz, and face-wise, well, it's not exactly up to them, right? For those who do have "villain face", it's a double-edged sword because it both sorta guarantees them regular employment, but also typecasting risk is high...
Never understood the notion of "too pretty to be villain" though - if anything, a capable actor with innocent cute face can be far more terrifying than any scary looking ones...
It also somewhat reeks of a hypocritical idea that pretty people CANNOT be bad - and vice versaAnd public LOVES sexy baddies, it's a good route to break out for many rising actors. Like NGM in GIRL WHO SEES SMELLS or KJW in VOICE1. Or everyone's fave feral fox baby Lee Rang (Kim Bum) in THE TALE OF NINE-TAILED. Ofc, some dramas mistakenly think that hiring a pretty actor and giving him villain status in the story is all it takes, but that's very far from the truth...Required fields are marked *
Healer’s
March 17, 2025 at 4:20 PM
I don't think anyone is too pretty to be villain either, and the actors I named above aren't the prettiest ones in the industry, are they? 😅 I listed them down because I have watched them enough to make some observations, and I actually mainly focused on their eyes. The eyes need some glare of madness, coldness, unhingedness, or evilness,... Choi Wonyoung is a prime example. And someone like Namgoong Min, I don't think he has special eyes, but he can pull very sly and fake smiles, together with that sleuthing voice of his.
That is to say I'd never miss a chance to see a good actor who has always played the good guy in a villain role. But I wasn't sure if some actors have it in them to do it, although they can be phenomenal as a good or gray character. I guess we can't be sure until we see them actually do it. If they'd ever choose such roles is another matter though.
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Gikata
March 17, 2025 at 4:58 PM
No one in kdramaland will ever be prettier than 20-something LJG, they'll have to live with that))) But he never played pure baddie either... except the tiny role in that trashy RESIDENT EVIL movie we don't talk about. The darkest he ever went in a proper role was probably
should I say that as vampire he kinda sucked? sorry, had to^^MOON LOVERS, and there man gave a freaking masterclass of how to evil it up with bare minimum - narrower gaze, more crooked smirk, thicker guyliner, more "punctuated for emphasis" speech...The hidden roadblock of actors exploring villaindom lies in the fact that villains are almost never protagonists, and self-respecting hot actors are vary of taking such roles because image, blah-blah... What's good as a method to get to the top isn't as good anymore once you get there, you know? But since we're living in desperate times when getting ANY role is important even for big names atm, perhaps we're about to witness some true variety that wouldn't be possible otherwise. Let's wait and see)))
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Healer’s
March 17, 2025 at 11:21 PM
Yes, starting with PHS in Twelve!!
PS: Do you believe I've never seen LJG in anything?
Clios Servant
March 18, 2025 at 6:23 AM
I for one outright refuse to see LJG as a villain. Nope. Not ever. Never. Full stop.
This is the magic of cinema.
Gikata
March 18, 2025 at 8:38 AM
@claire2009 might be the best time to fix it)))
When will he take another drama? It's been 84 years! *wails@cliosservant1846 for the record, I wouldn't call his character in MOON LOVERS a genuinely bad guy - if anything, he should've gone worse on everyone there, because they ASKED for it. Still, big stretch even for a "wronged hero"...
🌸 Seeker 🌸
March 20, 2025 at 9:44 AM
I do seem to recall reading an interview of an artist who usually played MLs saying that he even played the villain's role as if he was the hero because every villain is a hero in his own eyes. 😂
So I do think the key is the villain's confidence and conviction (as per his own twisted logic) that he is 💯 justified in his actions.
I'm not sure but iirc it was Mads Mikkelsen who said this sometime soon after Casino Royale. While he plays mostly MLs in Danish cinema but for nearly two decades after his 007 debut he has been typecast as a villain in Hollywood. 😅 His most suave and scary role that I have seen was in the drama Hannibal where he played the titular character made famous by Sir Anthony Hopkins. Although tbh as an impressionable young girl I was equally awed and scared by Le Chiffre.
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Healer’s
March 20, 2025 at 4:07 PM
Yes I think it makes sense. "Do what you believe and believe in what you do" must apply to villains too, right? 😅
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Gikata
March 20, 2025 at 5:59 PM
Makes sense - utter confidence in always being right IS scary.
Hollywood never knew what to do with European actors (or, for that matter, PDs) except typecasting them into narrowest box possible and leaving it at that.
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🌸 Seeker 🌸
March 20, 2025 at 9:40 PM
Just taking MM as an example, no one can guess his phenomenal range just by looking at his Hollywood roles. 💪🏻🥰
Clios Servant
March 17, 2025 at 10:23 AM
We're talking Pretty Boy Villains, rt?:
Song Joong Ki, VINCENZO (Fabulous)
Ahn Boy Hyun, ITAWEON CLASS (Chilling)
Kim Woo Seok, MILITARY PROSECUTOR DOBERMAN (Standout)
Yim Si Wan, EMERGENCY DECLARATION (?)
I actually have not watched the last one, but Yim Si Wan is the bomber on board the flight, right? Pretty much can play any character, he's so talented.
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empressgirl
March 17, 2025 at 8:13 PM
Yim Si Wan is a curious one - he is the quintessential Ken doll, chiseled good looks with a blank stare.
So when someone like him plays against type and do a full-on villain, it tends to be more impactful on audiences because it challenges our expectations of him
It's the same with Park Bo-gum who' has that angelic and wholesome look and rep. THEN he played a psychopath (with his angelic smile) in Hello Monster IRY - to critical acclaim. It is more chilling precisely because he continues to play angelic.
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Clios Servant
March 18, 2025 at 3:10 AM
Pretty much. If you think about it, the smooth good looks criteria would apply to every one of the performers mentioned but "baby-faced" handsome is another level -- disarming in the extreme.
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Healer’s
March 18, 2025 at 5:48 AM
Oh, I haven't watched Vincenzo, so I always thought the villain is Taecyeon?
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Kurama
March 18, 2025 at 5:50 AM
It's kinda a spoiler because Taecyeon's character was playing a naive lawyer at the beginning but was the ultimate villain. But SKJ was from Italian mafia, so he wasn't totally nice.
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Healer’s
March 18, 2025 at 5:56 AM
Thank you, Kurama.
🌸 Seeker 🌸
March 20, 2025 at 9:48 PM
It is strange because when Taecyeon was cast it was publicized as the villain's role but at the time of airing they suddenly made him seem like a sweet dork who drives electric bikes much like the RL Taecyeon. I actually had to Google and find the original casting news to confirm whether I recalled it correctly - of course then there was the grand reveal in Episode 6 and no one had to keep guessing anymore. 😂
Midnight
March 20, 2025 at 11:19 PM
@seeker Imagining the writer pulling their hair out after trying to hide a character's true identity for one third of the show's run, and having it blasted over the news well before filming has even begun! 😁😁
🌸 Seeker 🌸
March 20, 2025 at 11:30 PM
@midnight as you probably know JYP didn't even want a whiff of a scandalous or villainous role on the resume of their artists. So it was Taecyeon breaking free and celebrating it with being the most OTT villain. I do believe Taec was do enthused that he signed up even before Song Joong-ki. 🙃😆 It was a fun ride till episode 16. Only problem was when they production took a break to "improve" the quality of the drama. Sigh, the remaining four episodes went just about as well as uri @lordcobol's display name. 😝
Monapilou
March 19, 2025 at 5:02 AM
Adding to list: Byeon Woo-Seok Strong Girl Nam Soo
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Britney
March 17, 2025 at 12:25 PM
I think there takes a certain level of fearlessness to play a villian. Even though I haven't watched the drama, I'm gonna use Strangers from Hell as an example. From what I understand there are alot of disgusting characters in that and the actors have to being willing to embrace that (for lack of a better word). The main actor, Im Siwan, kinda has a shifty look to him, maybe mousey? but then he can look really innocent. I think that helps when he plays villian roles. He's got an unassuming vibe which again makes me think he makes a good villian (and a believable inreliable narrator).
The other lead, Lee Dong Wook (I think that's his name), said that when he looked at himself in the mirror, he thought his eyes had changed. His friends also said he had a scary vibe or look (I think; it's been a long time since I've heard about it). But the way actor is by default also could make him believable has a villian cause he's just so deadpan haha. Like he's just so over whatever and I think that would make good at like a methodical type of villian; someone who is playing 4D chess while the protagonist is playing either checkers or beginner's chess.
The father in law or whatever he is who told someone to eat more of what they are deathly allergic to in Buried Hearts is also a good villian. I think that leans into the utter contempt he seems to have for Dong Joo. Like all the negative thought or wish are conveyed through his eyes and then he blinks (remembering he's not supposed to be so obvious).
Then again, as an actor he's probably had many moments when he felt immense anger about someone or something and he could be channeling that.
I think the really skilled actors are the ones who can turn it on and off; they're probably sociopaths or something haha
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Midnight
March 17, 2025 at 2:23 PM
Shifty is EXACTLY how I feel about Im Shi Wan! I can never believe him in positive roles😂
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Healer’s
March 17, 2025 at 4:24 PM
Really? 🤣 You haven't watched Misaeng??
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Midnight
March 17, 2025 at 4:29 PM
I have started and dropped Misaeng two or three times through the years... 🙃
Healer’s
March 17, 2025 at 4:34 PM
I didn't like Misaeng until I was several episodes in. Then it became one of my favourites.
Midnight
March 17, 2025 at 4:38 PM
Good to know!
Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
March 17, 2025 at 10:10 PM
@midnight it took me several attempts to get past the first couple of episodes of Miseang because of the bullying elements. I am so glad I did because it is top acting. I can watch family dramas that have complicated relationship and are bleak but for some reason those same elements in a school or office setting and it feels heavier and harder to handle. My preference is always rom com or slice of life so it needs to be special to hold me. On the verge of insanity was the other drama that was full of heavy themes but the standout acting kept me watching.
Midnight
March 17, 2025 at 10:45 PM
@reply1988 Thank you for this!
Exactly how I feel! Thanks for talking about this and OtVoI! That is another show that has sat on my list for a long time!
empressgirl
March 18, 2025 at 3:46 AM
I can attest to it, cos I literally *just* recently finished Misaeng. It's a must-watch for all working folks.
It's gone beyond mere entertainment; it's socio-cultural commentary so much so that it is said in S.K. the webtoon it is based on is a must-read for every working adult in their 20s and 30s.
BUT I totally understand your inertia as well. Cos that was the same reason I dragged my feet for years to pick it up. I was afraid it would bring me into the 9th circle of hell lol.
SO, my trick was: I skipped the first 2 eps, started from ep 3 then later circled back. It helped me push past the pain
Healer’s
March 17, 2025 at 4:26 PM
Thank you, you explained so well what thoughts that made me ask my question. I haven't watched Im Siwan and Lee Dongwook in a villain role, but your observation about Lee Dongwook is what I see in him too.
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Midnight
March 17, 2025 at 4:30 PM
Describes Lee Dong Wook so well!!😂👌
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Healer’s
March 17, 2025 at 4:32 PM
Yes, that line is brilliant 😂
Britney
March 17, 2025 at 9:34 PM
I'm glad you think so cause as I was rereading, all I notice is my typos haha🙈
I've watched Im Siwan in Emergency Declaration.
Im Siwan was also a villian in a netflix movie I think. Something about a stalker using people's phones or something.
I've never seen Lee Dong Wook in a villian role; I have seen a video essay about Strangers From Hell.
I've only watched LDW in A Shop For Killers
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parkchuna 🍉
March 18, 2025 at 8:45 AM
Well i never thought Lee Dong Wook could be a villain but he scared me in Strangers from Hell that i never got past the 1st episode.
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JH LOVES KDRAMA
March 18, 2025 at 9:47 PM
I'm loving reading all of these comments about villains!
I agree about SKJ, he definitely can give a vibe that you aren't quite sure if he is to be trusted. It's those awesome eyes of his and that little smile. (I loved When the Weather is Fine, and SKJ made me feel his pain and loneliness. I also had some problems with the FL character and find that as much as I try to like her, I'm not very fond of PMY.)
I was also thinking about Lee Dong Wook. As pretty as he is, he can do evil very well. I was not able to finish Strangers From Hell either and it almost ruined him for me.
And, speaking of pretty villains, how about Kim Ji Hoon and Kim Jae Wook in Death's Game?
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Healer’s
March 19, 2025 at 5:27 AM
I once read someone said PMY can have chemistry with a light pole, but I don’t know why I always have the feeling that she only loves herself and that’s why I often don’t see the chemistry.
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parkchuna 🍉
March 19, 2025 at 7:04 AM
I always thought she has great chemistry mostly but i guess it’s in the eye of the beholder 👀
JH LOVES KDRAMA
March 19, 2025 at 8:46 AM
I really try to like her and oddly, I usually love the dramas she is in. HEALER being one of my all time favorites. She played "innocent" very well.
I ♥️ bad dramas
March 22, 2025 at 10:58 AM
Kim Jae-wook played another terrifying villain in Voice. Iirc that was his first villainous turn.
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parkchuna 🍉
March 22, 2025 at 10:08 PM
I didnt get to finish Voice, it was just one of the dramas that fell of the wagon cos of life. But i remember the few episodes i saw was gripping and scary for me.
Gum Shoe
March 19, 2025 at 11:25 AM
Gong Yoo in Squid Game is great. Maybe the best thing about it for me. It's such a turn from his other roles.
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bomibeans
March 19, 2025 at 2:47 PM
I know it sounds crazy but ... empathy. The actor needs to really have a tremendous amount of empathy to put himself into the shoes of the villain, relate to him and convey the emotions convincingly. Only then, it comes across as real evil human, instead of a cartoon.
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Healer’s
March 19, 2025 at 3:16 PM
I’ve never thought of this aspect in particular, things often came down to the general “must be a good actor” for me, but you’re right. Although often they would be able to let the character go after filming is finished, they need to inhabit the character in a certain period of time. I once read that Anthony Hopkins’ partner left him after he filmed The Silence of The Lamb because she couldn’t shrug off his image in that movie.
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🌸 Seeker 🌸
March 20, 2025 at 9:55 AM
😱 I am sure it was pretty intense. Apparently while prepping for The Pianist Adrien Brody not only broke up with his girlfriend but also sold his house and car. 🙈
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Healer’s
March 20, 2025 at 4:05 PM
🙈🙈🙈
🌸 Seeker 🌸
March 20, 2025 at 9:07 PM
Of course he has a Best Actor Oscar to show for it and apparently he later brought a "castle"!? 🤷♀️😂
🌸 Seeker 🌸
March 20, 2025 at 9:56 AM
Thank you for this fun prompt. It actually deserves its own Drama Chat. Eottae @db-staff.
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beffels
March 21, 2025 at 6:21 PM
I’m so late to this conversation but it can some times surprise you who can get that villainy look in their eyes; like Lee Seung Gi generally is very cheerful and friendly looking but in Mouse it’s like he throws a switch and it’s scary! He does it really well.
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Healer’s
March 21, 2025 at 7:20 PM
Yes I'm most attracted by people's eyes and love to observe an actor's eye acting, especially when they play a villain role.
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🌸 Seeker 🌸
March 21, 2025 at 9:01 PM
Not late at all. 😊 Yea, Lee Seung Gi can be scary good and Tangerines 🍊 reminded me of another of those Pretty Boy Villains - PBG of course but also Kim Seonho who deservedly got recognition for The Childe. I stumbled across it some time back and finally got the buzz. 😱🙈
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🌸 Seeker 🌸
March 21, 2025 at 9:07 PM
These affable and generally unassuming actors are 💯 more scary than an already scary looking one. 😂 You are right - the switch is just too intense. I was still able to watch Kim Young-kwang in Evilive but couldn't watch him in Somebody. Just his in-character look was enough to send chills down my spine. 😱🙃😰
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7 Blue (@mayhemf)
March 17, 2025 at 4:43 AM
@db-staff When I click on notifications and a single notification, it takes me to the article but not to the exact location/comment (it used to do that earlier). Its impossible to find where people have commented in response without scanning all the comments or doing a Ctrl-F. Not sure anyone else is facing this issue.
I tried both Safari and Chrome.
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Midnight
March 17, 2025 at 4:54 AM
If the notification takes you only to the post beginning, that means the comment you wanted to reach is on the second page. Which means you have to scroll all the way down, click the number 2, and search for the comment either by scrolling or by find in page function... Yeah🙃🙃
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Midnight
March 17, 2025 at 4:58 AM
If it takes you to the comments but not the exact comment, scroll up about 4 or 5 comments...
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Blue (@mayhemf)
March 17, 2025 at 5:07 AM
This I was familiar with, where it takes me to the vicinity of the new comment.. lol.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
March 17, 2025 at 5:06 AM
LOL! I love beanie techsupport..
Yes! This is it.. I was on the WWW thread last 2 days and all my comments were in page 2. sigh.
I do the 'recent comments' (faster and less annoying than scrolling down) and then search..
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8 alasecond
March 17, 2025 at 5:06 AM
So, i draw the line at Park Bo Gum
If one fine day, there is a weird news involving him.. that day, i will conclude that it is practically impossible for anyone to remain normal human in entertainment world... unless they choose to leave the filthy industry
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panshel
March 17, 2025 at 5:34 AM
Park Bo-gum's weird thing was the cult, which fortunately, he left.
Honestly, I operate under the assumption that 10 out of 10 male celebrities will disappoint you, so when something bad happens, you'll be disappointed but not surprised.
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alasecond
March 17, 2025 at 5:49 AM
ya cult news i am aware of.. and not much of a worry there.. because frankly all religions and fandoms are cult
But i mean more serious crimes!
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Monapilou
March 19, 2025 at 5:00 AM
I know you are right- but I am still in denial when it comes to Byeon Woo - seok
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Melanie
March 17, 2025 at 4:51 PM
Absolutely! Park Bo Gum is perfect. He will always be perfect.
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parkchuna 🍉
March 18, 2025 at 8:50 AM
Sighhh.. watching Tangerines and as i look at Bo Gum’s face I can’t help but wonder what secret is he hiding.. is the nice guy genuine or a public persona..
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RenOIshi
March 18, 2025 at 8:20 PM
OH MY GOD same! I was thinking the exact same thing. So unfair on him and celebs and us!
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parkchuna 🍉
March 19, 2025 at 7:07 AM
Sipping my melted melona and again wondering if this is the face we need to doubt..
https://youtube.com/shorts/X3PGNdXJBOg?si=GY1nRH59LsFCAXUS
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alasecond
March 20, 2025 at 2:28 AM
tell me about it...
Humanity credibility stocks would deep dive never to recover if that face betrays
9 Britney
March 17, 2025 at 9:47 AM
I saw a recap of a show called Lie after Lie (at least that's how the recapper titled it haha). Anyhoo, the plot is a pregnant woman in an abusive relationship is framed for murder and spends 10 years in prison. Fast forward to when all the reveals happen and I'm just like🤔🫤😕 over the mental gymnastics utilized for giving the perpetrator the animosity and reasoning to target an abused woman even a decade later.
I saw another recap (I haven't finished it and don't even know the title) where a mother is blamed for the death of her son (and the future heir) because she didn't die in place of her son EVEN THOUGH the brakes didn't work and the car was hit on the passenger side. But of course because the chaebol grandmother hates the mom, everyone else has to fall in line and blame/shun her too.
These are the types of plots that I can't stand and yeah, I know it's partially cultural differences but it's extremely frustrating to watch.
I don't feel this upset when watching Black Dragon maybe in part cause the grandmother isn't actually shown as much? Or maybe it's because most of the characters stand up for themselves? I don't know, but it doesn't make me as angry as older kdramas.
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10 Nessa🌹
March 17, 2025 at 6:03 PM
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11 Nessa🌹
March 17, 2025 at 6:05 PM
Started the costume C-drama, The Rise of Ning
It’s giving me similar vibes as modern C-drama, Forever and Ever in the sense that both dramas’ central plot revolves around Old Money families with lots of relationships and dynamics. Hopefully The Rise of Ning continues to keep my interest and attention (I easily watched 3 episodes in a single sitting, now on Ep. 4 at the time of this post). Fingers crossed.
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12 donttellme
March 18, 2025 at 5:33 AM
Hi, nice work you are doing.
It is always a pleasure to watch one or two episodes of a kdrama after a tough day.
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13 Cecee is done DramaQueening
March 18, 2025 at 8:32 AM
Completely random share of the day.
I'm taking the first TOPIK exam next month. My mind is still stuck in school mode so I don't think I can learn if I'm not testing my knowledge.
That being said: I am absolutely crap.
I keep trying to learn new vocab and I keep forgetting it because, guess what, who am I going to use it with? I've read all the tips, and they just don't work. Journaling in Korean? I don't even journal to start with; it's eating my time away. Watching K-dramas? I do it already and, o tragedy, I am not fluent at all (very far from it). Practising talking to myself in Korean? I just don't do it naturally, so I will never stick to it as a habit. So anyway, I've found an app where you can do language exchange with real people.
I started yesterday, and today, I've got already 6 on-going conversations and I am stressed out of my mind because I can't keep up with all of it. This reminds me of the old days of MSN lol (Cecee, revealing your geriatric age now)
On the plus side, a nice lady in Seoul has sent me photos of the snow fall and the cute jangdokdae her parents (who live in the countryside) keep in their garden. :)
I also terrified a guy who was asking whether I was French or British, and I spent a lot of time explaining I was both... and he instantly blocked me. No respect for my flipping efforts trying to painfully type someone half-meaningful in Korean.
The good news: It does work because vocab sticks better.
The bad news: I am getting distracted and I am not revising as much as I want to.
I don't think I can ever win against myself... argh
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Cecee is done DramaQueening
March 20, 2025 at 9:08 AM
the good thing that came out of this language exchange thingie is chatting to someone who shares the same brain cell when it comes to languages and being able with their help to pen my now new favourite Korean saying that perfectly describes my current skills: 한국어 파괴자 (destroyer of Korean language)
I legit want it on a t-shirt.
And underneath the drawing of a knight in a broken armour, holding a small wooden sword.
Nothing will ever illustrate my language skills better
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14 Anne18
March 19, 2025 at 11:38 AM
https://mydramalist.com/article/kim-sae-ron-was-completely-ostracized-claim-family-representatives
Again, this is not a "good", "happy" thing to share. But then again, some parts of the world are the complete opposite of good and happy right now! So I couldn't continue to delude myself. Sadness has been overtaking after realising there are parts of world where someone could be treated so poorly!
What can this sad article containing horrifying statements by a person with credibility and a position of responsibility do? It can't possibly change the overwhelming perception here that it is "wrong" to share somebody's pain; that it is "wrong" to speak out and pronounce unequivocally, the inconvenient truth! But the thing is, I found that very insensitive, considering that when it is so evident to us how inequitable Korean society is, we still want to believe "nothing was wrong", or that "nothing that despicable could have been done to her", simply because it appears so unimaginable! But worse things have happened before, and will keep happening, if this denial continues. And I am not ready for that!
🙏
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bomibeans
March 19, 2025 at 2:57 PM
The fact that a 27 y.o. Kim Soo Hyun dated a 15 y.o. Kim Sae Ron is unacceptable. Unacceptable. I don't want to hear these where-her-parents-were histrionic statements. We should hear more about the fact that Kim Soo Hyun committed a statutory rape.
I'm done with this actor. I'll never watch anything by him.
Per ChatGPT:
"In South Korea, the age of consent is 16, meaning that sexual activity with someone 16 or older is generally legal, provided there is no coercion or abuse of authority. However, South Korea has strict laws regarding sexual exploitation, grooming, and abuse of minors (those under 19), particularly in cases where there is a power imbalance (e.g., teacher-student, employer-employee).
If an adult engages in sexual activity with someone under 16, it is considered statutory rape, regardless of consent. Dating itself is not illegal, but any sexual activity could be a criminal offense if the younger person is under 16.
Additionally, South Korea has laws protecting minors under 19 from sexual exploitation, prostitution, and online grooming. If an adult is in a relationship with a minor under 19 and there is any element of coercion, financial exchange, or abuse of power, it could still lead to criminal charges."
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Anne18
March 19, 2025 at 5:08 PM
"I don't want to hear these where-her-parents-were histrionic statements."...... Me neither!
What made this "relationship" worse is - he was her boss! He was the owner of that goddamned agency! He had immense power over her, and he misused it!
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alasecond
March 20, 2025 at 4:55 AM
problem is nothing can be proven in the court of law and that sucks.. even the behavior at the moment
only makes me think that KSH is also part of some crazy burning sun like pedo nexus and hence protected
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Kodra aka Qanon something
March 20, 2025 at 8:55 AM
I guess @anne18 didn't like my wording. In my defense, how can one use the word "fact" when not one piece of evidence has been shown to be true? Fact from where? Alegations are facts now? Alegalions based on photos taken when she was an adult are facts now? Are these alternative facts? Facts are facts, something that one can not dispute. How can someone talk about him commiting statutory rape being a fact be allowed to make such claims here and my comment got flagged and erased? @dramabeans Rape? Now you elevated to rape when there is not a shred of evidence supporting this allegation? What rape? When did it happen? Where? Thank God there are laws to protect the citizens from this kind of behaviour. I hope that matriachy will never happen because we all know how people will be convincted without any shred of evidence. Sometimes I don't know what is worse, a matriarchy ruled by this type of radfem matriarchy or Joseon era.
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bomibeans
March 21, 2025 at 8:10 AM
"Facts" like lovey-dovey letters between the two, when she was a teen? Lovey-dovey pictures? That he was her boss? That he loaned her a lot of money and demanded the repayment when she was no longer his girlfriend?
I'm not witch-hunting anyone. I'm making a decision as a consumer to not contribute my attention and money to the person who morally (and perhaps, even criminally) stinks to high heaven, that's all.
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Anne18
March 21, 2025 at 9:40 AM
@bomibeans, this is a well-written article which brings out the larger issues in the K-ent business, and how they need to be addressed. https://www.indiatoday.in/entertainment/ott/story/the-kim-soo-hyun-and-kim-sae-ron-controversy-why-its-not-okay-to-be-okay-2694514-2025-03-17
And I am only sharing this because it is very well-balanced. I think Indian journalists are doing quite a good job covering this case, unlike Korean media. People might claim that all media of this country is run by "bots", but I know better. I live here, and I work in the media.
bomibeans
March 21, 2025 at 1:54 PM
@anne18
What really bothers me is that Gold Medalist (basically, the agency owned by KSH, which means that what the agency says is what KSH says) LIED that they were ever in relationships, and when the evidence started piling up, they were like, OH, MY BET, they were indeed in relationship, BUT ONLY when she became adult.
Sure. Whatever you say, KSH.
Again, stinks to high heaven.
Thank you for this article. It was indeed very clear, objective and explanatory.
15 alasecond
March 20, 2025 at 6:24 AM
Korea and kpop fans are weird.. super weird
Ages ago, plagiarism would ruin someone's career .. atleast FL of Coffee Prince was subjected to brutal attacks that too when she was focusing on the China market
And here we have Jennie with her song... blatantly plagiarized and it is topping charts.. lol
Also, highly unprofessional of her team... what kind of a global star if she can't sing an original number and the entire team has to plagiarize to get her a song
Not very knowledgeable, but i guess .. kudos to Swift.. i don't think she has ever plagiarized
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16 🌸 Seeker 🌸
March 20, 2025 at 10:31 PM
😱🙃😰 The Dementors er, the dreaded gateway errors are back!!
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17 alasecond
March 25, 2025 at 9:39 AM
Now even kdrama actors are having their own light sticks??? What in the world is this.. and who buys all this stuff!!! Why does an actor need it.. at max he will have some fan sign events
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