No Gain No Love: Episodes 9-10
by Unit
Our penultimate week comes with secrets, betrayals, big reveals, and drama. But no worries, our show continues to be amazeballs with tons of fun sandwiched between generous helpings of romance.
EPISODES 9-10
Picking up from last week’s cliff, Hae-young and Ji-wook are about to kiss when Gyu-hyun barges in demanding to know if Ji-wook is the product of his father’s affair. It’s a first, seeing Gyu-hyun this angry, and I don’t think the birth secret upsets him as much as the betrayal from Ji-wook knowing about it and keeping it from him. It doesn’t matter that Ji-wook only found out recently. Gyu-hyun wants him — and Hae-young! — to leave Ggulbi. Ji-wook is worried that Hae-young will suffer because of him, but she reassures him that she’s on his side — and tells him to take over the company and overthrow Gyu-hyun. Pfft.
But before they can carry out their coup, our labor union leader and her husband are demoted and suspended respectively. Cue: Ji-wook announcing to Gyu-hyun that he’s divorced (so that Hae-young won’t suffer alongside), and the staff in the lobby conjuring a BL fantasy starring the brothers. LMAO! Gyu-hyun doesn’t buy the divorce, and he threatens Ji-wook to either permanently leave the country — per Madam Fangirl’s wishes — or drag everyone he cares about into his mess. Tsk. This Bok family and their threats. Why must everyone suffer because of the chairman’s affair? Honestly, cutting off his hair isn’t enough. Chairman Bok needs to strip down to his white inner-wear and bow on all fours for forgiveness — Joseon style. Even then, it’s still not enough.
Moving on, Gyu-hyun confesses his feelings to Ja-yeon. And while Ms. Writer is amazed that the enemies-to-lovers trope happens in real life, she tells him there can never be a happy ending for her. “Our story ends here,” she says, and this is why she isn’t the writer of this drama. Gyu-hyun is in the middle of asking her to give him a chance when Ha-joon walks in on them, and the secret is out. Oops! Ha-joon goes on to apologize to Ja-yeon for his hate comments and swears he will never do that to any other writer. He also thanks her for naming her male lead after him, and with this, we finally wrap up the hate comments arc. I hope.
A lightweight Gyu-hyun soon finds himself in front of Ja-yeon’s house drunk on some “please excuse me while I hug you” whiskey, and Hae-young and Ji-wook happen upon the scene. Cue: 1) Hae-young and Ji-wook hurriedly prying Gyu-hyun off Ja-yeon under the assumption that he’s an assailant; 2) their realization that he is Ja-yeon’s hater — who now likes her; 3) Hae-young’s attempt to hit him with a “how dare you like her?” umbrella; 4) Ja-yeon admitting the feeling is mutual; 5) Ji-wook accidentally getting hit instead. Pfft. So dramatic! Anyway, Gyu-hyun ends up sleeping over in Ji-wook’s room — and DNA doesn’t lie because they have the exact same sleeping habits!
Our lead quartet sit together for an hilariously awkward breakfast the next morning, and Gyu-hyun’s innocent small talk spirals into truth bombs: Ja-yeon plans to move out of the house, and Ji-wook plans to leave the country. Oops! In a makjang, Hae-young’s reaction to this news would have been to drool her orange juice back into her cup. But since we’re in a rom-COM, she kicks the Penthouse twins Ji-wook and Ja-yeon out of the house — to conclude their breakfast at Subway. Lol. And as for the parrot Gyu-hyun, she tells him to stay away from Ja-yeon — but we soon learn that this is not just because of his hate comments.
It turns out that ten years ago, Ja-yeon’s abusive father murdered Hae-young’s dad. Heol! Ja-yeon had to move to another foster home to hide from her sperm donor — before he ended up murdering Dad, and this explains why she wants to move out again now that he’s out on parole. Her ill-fated relationship with that murderer also explains why she thinks she’ll never have a happy ending. *Sniff* Hae-young has always — and will continue to — stick by Ja-yeon regardless of the incident, but she’s not confident that Gyu-hyun will do the same if he learns about Ja-yeon’s past. Hence, her warning for him to stay away. Fair enough.
Manager Jang calls Ji-wook out for some random horse riding/advising session — and essentially calls Ji-wook’s travel plans “an idiotic waste of time.” Lol. Jang tells Ji-wook not to allow other people dictate the course of his life, and that he’ll be happier following his heart rather than leaving because he doesn’t want to ruin his mom’s life or because he wants to “protect” Hae-young. Take that, noble idiocy! Manager Jang is a much better fatherly figure than the other fathers on this show — minus Hae-young’s dad, of course.
Hae-young pretends to be okay with Ji-wook’s impending departure — after all, she’s used to watching her foster siblings leave — but Ji-wook is more than a little disappointed that she also sees him as a temporary person in her life. For a minute there, I thought they’d drop the ball on communication after doing so well all this time, but the drama said not today! Waiter, I’ll have my communication steeped in Hae-young’s angsty outburst, Ji-wook’s “I love you,” their ferocious kisses and the resulting bed scene. Please and thank you. Gaahhh! I love this show a little too much.
Our secondary romance gives the first a run for its money when Ja-yeon asks to do some research at Ggulbi, and Gyu-hyun personally gives her a tour of the building. My man is so invested in the “research” to the point of acting out one of the scenes in her novel unprovoked, and Ms. Writer joins in the fun. Lol. I see we are setting the stage for their spin-off. Gyu-hyun and Ja-yeon rewrite the scene to include a kiss — kyaaa!! — and if I manifest hard enough, maybe October 3rd will arrive sooner.
Sadly, Gyu-hyun and Ja-yeon’s cute research date is cut short when they have to hide from Woo-jae and Yi-lin — who are clearly in this scene for drama’s sake. Because why else would two people who live in the same house choose to loudly confront each other in the office? At night! On a weekend! Tsk. Woo-jae brings up Hae-young’s dad’s murder, and Yi-lin mentions Ji-wook’s birth secret and its implication on Hae-young’s job. No thanks to the busybody couple, Ja-yeon snaps out of her fantasy and reiterates that a relationship with Gyu-hyun is impossible. Nooo!!
The week ends with Hae-young’s discovery that Ji-wook was her mom’s foster kid — and like Gyu-hyun, she’s more upset that Ji-wook kept it from her all the while. It is the ultimate betrayal after they both agreed not to keep secrets anymore, and she tells him to pack up and get lost. Oof! This is one painful cliffhanger. But the good news is that we have just a week left which means less time to drag out Hae-young and Ji-wook’s fallout.
The bad news is that we have just a week left to spend with what has been an amazing show so far. *Weeps in advance* In other news, Hee-sung is pregnant. The baby is most likely to be her main boyfriend’s — who is totally onboard with being the father regardless, and will also support her if she doesn’t want to keep the baby. It was sweet to see Mom congratulating Hee-sung when Hae-young and Ja-yeon’s default reaction was to worry. But their reaction is also valid considering that Hee-sung herself is conflicted about the whole thing. I hope she makes a decision that makes her happy. One last lap, Show, don’t fail us.
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1 Britney
September 25, 2024 at 5:22 PM
As much as I liked the kiss; one thing kinda confuses me. Why did Ji Uk say "you've never held me and told me you love me either" twice? I feel like I'm missing some intent there.
Is it like "even though you haven't said that to me, I'm letting you know I love you" (as I hold your face☺️)?
Regardless, I did like their kiss here more. I was squeezing my pillow while grinning at both couples having their moments.
I liked Hae Young and Ji Uk's confrontation and her saying what I've been saying for weeks: why should he care about his mother? She literally did nothing for him and he doesn't need to fulfill his grandma's wishes anymore especially given that his grandma left him with the feeling of being a detriment to others. I liked that he confronted her about her feelings for him possibly leaving. He knows she has hurt over all the people who have come and gone in her life so he says he loves her first. It's so him.
I like Ja Yeon and Gyu Kyun's little role play. I think it's particularly endearing that he knows and remembers her story so well. And the "it's in the comments" was really cute and realistic haha. How many times in the comments sections do people write "and then they kiss or just kiss" and the other variations.
I've seen some comments about how Ji Uk seems to have fallen fast but (a) he started falling for her in episode 2 when she said why she wanted all the attention on her (b) he's known of her for years so seeing a new aspect of her could've just unlocked some feelings (c) even though it's not a big emphasis put on it, he's attracted to her and the more they've played the couple, the more the feelings grow.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
September 25, 2024 at 5:40 PM
Reg why Ji Uk said that. This is how I interpreted. I think he was angry that she was angry he chose to leave. So he was pointing it out that she never gave him her heart aka commitment aka love. If she had he wouldn’t have made that decision.
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tabong
September 25, 2024 at 9:08 PM
Ji Wook falling fast? In a year where everyone was already on the floor even before the drama started?
I think he fell alright.
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Sunnyboo ☀️🥰
September 28, 2024 at 8:48 PM
Right??! 😂😂
Everything is just fine.
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2 pineapplegongzhu
September 25, 2024 at 5:27 PM
Thanks for the recap @Unit!
I’m late to this party, finally caught up with the show and the recaps! Overall it was good tight writing, and great acting. Only Kim Young Dae could make 손님 sound so seductive. *fanning self*
I felt like the rom-com suddenly became really serious with Ja Yeon’s murderous father on the loose and Guy Hyeon going all “game of thrones” with his younger half-brother.
It made me really sad to see how Hae Young reacted to the reveal that Ji Wook was also a foster child. I’m still curious to know how Ji Wook fell in love with Hae Young and also why Ja Yeon and Hui Seung don’t remember Ji Wook either.
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tabong
September 25, 2024 at 9:20 PM
Ji Wook went to live there after what happened to dad. Ja Yeon was transferred somewhere else. That's why she didn't keep in touch with Ha Jun.
I guess she also felt too guilty to go back home even to visit.
Hui Seong could've moved out by then too since she was probably in college (she's around the same age as Hae Young I think).
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Samdong
September 26, 2024 at 10:57 AM
I kinda feel like Jiwook fell for Haeyoung naturally throughout the year he knows her - idk if it's from her mom's stories, but maybe also all the year he stays in the minimarket. He remembers her habit and favorite jellies, and console her the night Woojae is being calculative. I really like that scene in episode 2 where Haeyoung is sad alone in the minimarket with Jiwook gives her a cigarette, light it for her, and just sit with her in silence
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3 vienibenmio
September 25, 2024 at 5:28 PM
Oooh, I caught the recap earlier than usual! I don't have a lot of time on Thursday mornings, so I wrote this up in advance. It feels ridiculously long to me, sorry if you also perceive it as such.
This drama is why I watch romance Kdramas! Those scenes in ep 10 with both couples had my heart fluttering. So adorable.
First off, I continue to love the second leads and their relationship. I know that Gyu-hyun doesn't have a lot of fans right now, and I totally understand why. That being said, I actually really love how one minute I want to throttle him and the next I'm cheering for him. I wish the writers hadn't drawn out his behavior and attitude so long, but I also think it makes sense based on the characterization of him we've seen so far. I rewatched eps 1-8 over the weekend, and it really reminded me how his dad has been castigating him for running the company with a focus on employee satsifaction and not maximizing profits for shareholders, threatening his position, and the fact that he's only in his position because he's the only son kept getting thrown in his face by both his mother and father. It makes sense to me that, in addition to being guilt tripped by his mother, he feels completely threatened and attacked by Ji-uk--not that ANY of this justifies his behavior. But, while I do not like his behavior, I do still like him. How much of this is because of how he's played by Lee Sang-yi, I don't know.
I also love him with Ja-yeon. I loved her saying that her story was criticized for being unrealistic because a CEO wouldn't eat in the cafeteria, and then he says he'll eat there for every meal. Someone on MDL pointed out that both of them have managed to develop humanity while being surrounded by terrible people, so they have that in common as well as their general immaturity. That scene where they acted out the webnovel was amazing, especially as someone who's read webnovels and also urged the leads to just kiss already. Also, how many times did he have to read it to memorize that dialogue? Haha. It also helps that the actors are just so adorable on social media lately. I followed other real life actors of Kdrama couples I've shipped and I haven't seen that type of interaction before--I just eat that sort of thing up.
I was so happy to see Mr. Jang back. I liked his speech about his father: wish Gyu-hyun had heard it, too. I took horseback riding lessons and I don't think you could progress to posting to a trot that quickly. Ah well.
I found Ha-jun's interaction with Ja-yeon really sweet. If I have one complaint about the secondary romance, it's that it's moving a bit too fast. I think we needed, especially, to see more development of Ja-yeon moving on from Ha-jun and falling for Gyu-hyun. I fully admit that I was wrong early on, as I thought the spinoff would be Ja-yeon coming to terms with and accepting her feelings for Gyu-hyun. But it looks like the spinoff might be set in an alternate universe, so it...
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vienibenmio
September 25, 2024 at 5:28 PM
alternate universe, so it is quite possible that we won't get any "canon" romantic development in it. If that's the case, then I get why they are gonna keep that all to the main series. If it were me, I would have done more set up in the main series with the actual conclusion in the spinoff... but I'm not a Kdrama writer. Honestly, I'm starting to wish they hadn't announced the spinoff so early, because I think I misunderstood the concept and premise, and it gave me expectations that were and will be ultimately disappointed (or maybe I'm wrong and it'll do exactly what I had hoped for). Side note: the trailer was justed posted but I don't know Korean soooo
Boo to the father for caring more about his plant than actual human lives. Boo to the mother for taking her anger out on innocent parties (Ji-uk, Gyu-hyun, and the women she won't let the company promote). Boo to Gyu-hyun for going along with it, although like I said I do get why.
I have been very open that the main couple has sort of lost me a bit, I think that their dynamic became less interesting when they stopped bickering. I also don't think Ji-uk's feelings were well developed, unless he loved her before the fake marriage started (which, as you all probably know, I find equally boring). However, I love Shin Min-a and she acted the heck out of ep 10. I also love Hae-yeong, who is perhaps the most relatable FL I've seen. I love how she responded to Ja-yeon (although I think it's a bit much for her to "forbid" a grown adult from dating anyone) in terms of "you fell for your hater?" and telling her that, if anything, she's too good for Gyu-hyun. I'm also very proud of this drama for including a bedroom scene, although I find it mildly hilarious that such a sex positive, progressive drama would still show the leads fully clothed the morning after. Ah well. The fridge scene was HILARIOUS. I related very strongly to Ja-yeon and her concern for the food.
Speaking of food, the level of PPL was ridiculous. But I did love Ji-uk and Ja-yeon getting a cute moment together.
The mom being the only one to actually congratulate Hui-seong was sweet. On the other hand, where is this pregnancy story going? What is the point of it? How am I supposed to feel about her producer boyfriend? He seemed pretty sweet in those scenes, but she's clearly not that into him.
Finally, people on MDL are discussing Ji-uk hiding his background from Hae-yeong and talking about how it could come across as creepy. I don't entirely disagree. He had plenty of opportunities to tell her. There is a theory that's pretty interesting that would put that decision into context, but I don't know yet if it's true. I wish Ja-yeon would just communicate with Hae-seong about her father and her guilt, but then I guess it wouldn't be a kdrama. Also, I do think it would be more realistic for Ja-yeon to have reservations about dating Gyu-hyun not because she's convinced her background and father being a...
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vienibenmio
September 25, 2024 at 5:29 PM
background and father being a criminal make her a poor match for him, but because of what he's doing to her sister and brother-in-law.
After watching Her Private Life and now this drama, I'm wondering if the writer was somehow involved in the foster and/or adoption system because they seem to be recurrent themes. There are especially a lot of parallels between the situation with Ji-uk and the situation with Ryan in HPL. However, IMO this drama is doing a much better job with only two eps left. I think HPL I completely lost interest with about four eps left to go. I can't wait for next week! How will I get through the rest of the week? More importantly, how will I get through work on Monday and Tuesday?
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late as always
September 27, 2024 at 6:27 AM
I agree with pretty much everything you said, @vienbenimo. Regarding Gyu-Hyun's unpleasant behavior: like you, I do find it utterly believable. He's been told all his life that he needs to be ruthless and that he's not good enough. I can certainly imagine him truly believing that being cruel and arrogant is actually what he should be doing, and that every time he gives in to his kinder impulses he's actually being a loser. That kind of conditioning from your parents goes deep and is really hard to overcome, even if it's objectively obvious that it's wrong.
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vienibenmio
September 27, 2024 at 7:00 AM
First, I am delighted by the symmetry of your username and timing of your comment.
Second, that is so well said and insightful! Thank you.
4 Blue (@mayhemf)
September 25, 2024 at 5:32 PM
That kiss!! HOT!!!
their fight and kiss was just so perfectly done. This scene was so well executed. The morning after was so so cute.
That breakfast was so chaotic with secrets getting revealed. Hilarious.
Bro in law and Ja Yeon bonding was beautiful
Ex Secretary Jang becoming a father figure to Ji Uk so precious! Ji Ukie should join his family, get his name added to the registry and abandon the chaebol family.
Can’t believe it’s ending next week. 😭
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tabong
September 25, 2024 at 9:24 PM
"Ex Secretary Jang becoming a father figure to Ji Uk so precious! Ji Ukie should join his family, get his name added to the registry and abandon the chaebol family."
Yes, please. 😭
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5 Britney
September 25, 2024 at 5:32 PM
I know so many folks are shipping them but as soon as the cuteness of their reenactment of the webnovel scene and kiss was over, I was like "he's still NOT a good guy for her". Did everyone just forget about what he did to Ji Uk and Hae Young? And then they overheard the ex and his wife talking about those exact people haha
Ah, screenwriter, I like you haha
Even if Gyu Kyun likes Ja Yeon, he hasn't shown that he's willing to stand up for anyone, not even himself. He KNEW what his mother wanted was wrong and he still continued with the threat to Ji Uk and to add insult to injury he told him that Hae Young wouldn't be happy with him anyway. This after he's heard Ji Uk say how his existence was a crime and he feared ruining people's lives. He did this even though he clearly had some affection for Ji Uk. I *think* he was even gonna say "I'm your hyung" before he caught himself. He even kept calling Ji Uk "lucifer".
Sidenote: when Ji Uk said his name, was he being informal like they're close? I'm kinda confused because what else was he supposed to call him? They aren't strangers, Ji Uk isn't his junior or employee, they're not at the orphanage where he would be called volunteer. Ji Uk did use "ssi" which I thought was the proper ending.
Which leads me to when do they drop the "ssi"? Haha
I rewatched the breakfast scene many times haha. I enjoy it so much. The timing, the looks, and the music cues. It's one of the best scenes to me. In any kdrama that I remember seeing.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
September 25, 2024 at 5:44 PM
Ji Ukie called him by his name ending with a -shi. It was formal. Bok Gyu Hyun - Shi.
I don’t know why he was so offended. He clearly cares so much about being called a CEO!! Tsk tsk.
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vienibenmio
September 25, 2024 at 5:45 PM
I know there isn't a lot of time left, but I am positive that Gyu-hyun will learn to stand up to his parents. I totally get if it's too little, too late for other people, of course.
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empressgirl
September 25, 2024 at 7:56 PM
he has to, else I can't ship him in all good conscience. LOL
I mean, I may be a K-drama viewer but I have morals, k!
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vienibenmio
September 25, 2024 at 8:09 PM
I'm sure he will. Our female lead is repeatedly saying that he's a jerk so clearly the drama knows his behavior is wrong
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lynnB
October 1, 2024 at 5:33 PM
It's not just that it's going to be too little too late, I have a sinking feeling it's going to be for the wrong reason. He's not going to "fix" the issue because it's the right thing to do. He's going to do it because of his feelings for Ja Yeon. I absolutely detest when a character is written to have their moral standing based on their new romantic feelings.
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empressgirl
September 25, 2024 at 7:43 PM
@Britney:
I totally agree with you that he is not the right guy for her (or for that matter, for anyone at this point in time).
I kind of apply the litmus test of whether I can - in all good conscience - envisage shipping a romantic lead with someone I care for IRL (a sister, a bestie etc) if I can't, then minimally I am calling a Beige Flag, if not an outright Red.
It's equally disturbing to me that Ja-yeon has no issue flirting with Gyu-hyun after that bust-up in their house and the subsequent demotion of her sister, and the firing (and possibly exile) of her BIL.
If anyone does that to my family, THERE. WILL. BE. BLOOD. (On that note, I am totally in Hae-yeong's corner)
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empressgirl
September 25, 2024 at 7:53 PM
Also, KUDOS to Shin Min Nah. She understood the assignment.
Her delivery (credits to the script too) in those two scenes: (a) breakfast bloodbath (b) confronting Ji-Uk for leaving. Left no crumbs
Her coolness in taking in the "chaebol son" bombshell, and her spunky retort: "You will have to takeover Khulbee and overthrow Bok Gyu-hyun!" (I fell for her here again); her fierce loyalty ("I will join the rival company and avenge you!"); her sisterly protectiveness ("Mentioning my father is off-limits, at least in this house")
Wow. wow. wow. Straight fire man.
Hae-yeong may well become my favorite heroine this year 🧡🧡🧡
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Blue (@mayhemf)
September 26, 2024 at 2:56 AM
She is awesome and I love her!! Agree, my favorite female lead this year.
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tabong
September 25, 2024 at 9:35 PM
Omo!! This is the first time I see someone who does that except for me. That's why I have such a hard time liking MLs, and especially SLs. Because I see them as real people who would be in real relationships with people I care about.
"If anyone does that to my family, THERE. WILL. BE. BLOOD."
Same!
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empressgirl
September 26, 2024 at 12:04 AM
Really?? I thought we are normal in doing that? You mean we are the minority report? 🤣🤣
(like, why would I NOT apply the real-life test to characters that should rightfully stand up to the stress test and verisimilitude test of a real-life relationship?)
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tabong
September 26, 2024 at 12:47 AM
I think it is our thing.
I feel like kdrama MLs have the "too good to be true" reputation, in general.
But that test doesn't make them seem that good or unreal. At all. 😂
vienibenmio
September 26, 2024 at 5:53 AM
I often do love dynamics and behaviors in romance stories that I wouldn't like in real life. My own personal metric is "can I see this couple hanging out at home and having fun together after the drama of the story is over?"
Western romance series often have characters who do horrible things in the previous books find their own HEA in later books, so maybe I'm used to that. I'm thinking especially of Devil in Midwinter by Lisa Kleypas, where the male lead in that book kidnapped and threatened the female lead's best friend in the previous book. I thought that the male lead did very little to redeem himself or make up for his previous actions, but tons of people in the romance novel community LOVE that book.
Britney
September 25, 2024 at 10:04 PM
I was never particularly into his character especially not as much as other people are but objectively, if the show were framed differently or he was played by a different acted, he would totally despised. I think it's obvious that he will "see the errors of his ways" and change (get rid of the discriminatory practices, reinstate Hae Young, etc) but I'm particularly glad Hae Young was still frosty to him because he's NOT a good guy for Ja Yeon.
I wonder if there's a cut scene where he even showed concern for Ji Uk's head.
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sotar
September 26, 2024 at 1:11 AM
Exactly this. Casting Lee Sang Yi (who is so talented and charming) does so much heavy lifting with the way Gyuhyun is received, because he’s not even the usual morally grey character we all hate to love; he’s worse: he’s lame. The nerve to be sleeping at their house, eating their food, flirting with Jayeon knowing full well he’s the reason their entire livelihood is at risk. Knowing that it isn’t right but big scary mama made him do it and so he does. Boohoo. I’d be less annoyed if we weren’t at this point in the drama, but now his redemption will come at the eleventh hour and he’ll be framed as a hero for doing something decent.
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lynnB
October 1, 2024 at 5:39 PM
I also have a problem with characters where they're only nice/good to their romantic interest. Their only motivation to be a good person is their romantic partner. You can't be trusted!
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Jingbee
September 25, 2024 at 8:52 PM
I was disappointed with the writer as well for making light of his behaviour and proceeding with the supposedly cute moments with JY. The effect was the opposite for me, I was not amused and did not find the office date sweet. There are only 2 episodes left and the show should keep the 2nd couple relationship on thr backburner and focus on the main couple and focus on him making amends.
Also, everyone seems to be forgetting that JY obviously needs therapy first.
The 2nd couple story should benefit from a time skip.
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seyhan
September 26, 2024 at 4:41 AM
I don't think there are enough episodes left to give Gyu-hyun a proper redemtion arc, he just keeps being more of an a-hole by each episode. The way he pulled Ji-uk to himself to hide behind like he's some sort of punching bag frustrated me so much. And then he has the audacity to fall asleep on Ji-uk's bed! I was soothed a bit only after Hae-yeong pulled the comforter off of him to cover poor freezing Ji-uk sleeping on the bare carpet.
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6 💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
September 25, 2024 at 5:38 PM
*clears throat* *steps on all the toes*
Patented Minority and Controversial Opinion of the Month (Year?):
I dislike this show. Actually, I hate it. I hate it very, very much indeed. 😅
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vienibenmio
September 25, 2024 at 5:45 PM
Okay, can you please elaborate? I am super curious! I'm someone who likes to read even negative reviews of things I like, haha.
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pineapplegongzhu
September 25, 2024 at 6:13 PM
@sicarius: HAHA! I admire your bravery! Tell me why you dislike this drama. I mean, I'm just jumping in at the last minute and really like it. But, there are things that bother me too, so I'm curious to hear your opinion!
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
September 25, 2024 at 6:51 PM
cc: @vienibenmio
🤣🤣🤣
Okay. I cannot promise when, and I am having trouble articulating a lot of my reasons, but I will try. To share some of them. At some point.
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Alluvial_Fan
September 25, 2024 at 6:33 PM
Okay Sic. Have agreed with you many times in the past. Are we just reacting to all the crappy Kdramas of the past 8 quarters by getting giddy over something well written? Serial killer replaced by dad-killer. One step removed but a good step. Domestic violence is far more terrifying than a random incel. Amiright?
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
September 25, 2024 at 6:51 PM
Well, the problem is, I don't think this IS well written in the slightest... so.
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7 Britney
September 25, 2024 at 6:17 PM
Ahh, I also thought that it's kinda big and telling about Hae Young's character that she kept Ja Yeon in her life after her father's death. Given that Hae Young has some complicated and occassionally resentful feelings about the kids her mother fostered and that her mother fostered in the first place, the fact that Ja Yeon is not only still in her life but lives with her is big to me.
Ja Yeon would represent the biggest loss in her life yet Ja Yeon is a key feature of her life. Even if she was detached (emotionally, on some level) from her when they were younger, Hae Young still showed up and defended her to the judgey teacher. Hae Young is still fiercely protective of her. Even if Hae Young clashes with Hui Seong at times, she doesn't want to also clash with her.
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vienibenmio
September 25, 2024 at 6:46 PM
Yup, Hae-yeong thinks of herself as cold and transactional but her actions show otherwise
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empressgirl
September 26, 2024 at 12:07 AM
Indeed. And after knowing what we know this week, that is probably the understatement of the decade.
Think: "Your father has killed my father."
This is beef way way worse than the bitter feud of Montague vs Capulet.
Yet, HY not only took JY in, but love on her as a lil sister.
Wow. Her heart is wider and deeper than the pacific ocean
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scalene
September 25, 2024 at 6:52 PM
It seems that Hae-yeong understands children shouldn't be blamed and punished for the decisions that parents and adults make, and it's consistent with her sense of fairness and justice. It always seemed to me that Hae-yeong was angry at her mother but not really at the foster kids.
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ginkoVal
September 25, 2024 at 9:48 PM
As I wrote elsewhere, I love that in the past, Hae Young kept opposed to her parents adopting everyone, but eventually she becomes a haven for the entire foster family. Hae Young clearly takes after her parents, big sister, grumpy but always taking care of the whole family.
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8 Alluvial_Fan
September 25, 2024 at 6:19 PM
Oh thank you @unit for such heartfelt yet brief recap. We all know that there must be angst and terrible misunderstandings in every Kdrama. Can we trust the screenwriters to subvert the next 12 tropes to stick the landing??
Oh please.
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9 loveblossom🌸
September 25, 2024 at 6:28 PM
EP 10 was more fun (except the angst) and interesting than EP 9. Both still had memorable scenes and humor.
The angst had to come sometime. Ji Wook held onto his last secret for too long, why?? I don't think it needed to be a big, dragged out issue.
We got to see Hae Young show vulnerability when she cried for him. When she didn't want him to leave. He has been the one to show his affection easily. He said "I love you" for the first time (and said it twice). She didn't say those words back to him, only showed her emotion and desire through her actions. I'm actually glad she hasn't said those words since she was unaware of his secret. Those words are a huge step for her.
During Ji Wook's scene with Manager Yang, I thought maybe he could still be his father despite what he said before and what the drama has shown. The horse riding was truly random, hahaha.
Gyu Hyun has flaws, but has room to grow. He followed his mother's demands without coming up with a good solution for his company. I'd like to see him do better. It was really cute and sexy when he and Ja Yeon acted out the scene from her web novel and more~ ;] Too bad how things ended right now.
Shin Mina's angry faces at work were so good. XD I also enjoyed the homey, breakfast scenes like when it was Ji Wook and the sisters and when it was the guys with Hae Young and Ja Yeon. So lovely, heh. Even though the Subway scenes were all PPL, I didn't mind them. It was nice to see Ja Yeon and Ji Wook have their own conversation.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
September 26, 2024 at 3:01 AM
I was also glad she didn’t said she loved him because I want her to say when she wants to say. And I I get her. As someone who grew up seeing people leave her she has learnt how to protect her own heart. She acts prickly and cold and it’s her way of protecting herself. But we all know how thoughtful, kind and soft hearted she is when it comes to people she cares about. Her tears meant more than her words. She was clearly heartbroken.
And Shin Min Ah aced that scene. I felt her frustration and hurt.
And I want more random scenes of Manager Jang doing retirement stuff 😂
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10 Vladdles
September 25, 2024 at 6:58 PM
Wow all the emotions turning on a dime, well done show!
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11 TwoCentsWorth
September 25, 2024 at 7:26 PM
Thank you for the recap @unit. It's as fun as the show. But may I ask what "kya" means in Korean? Google translate suggested it means "belong" in Ganda (a Bantu language), which I found delightful, but that didn't make sense in context.
I am not as troubled by Gyu-hyun's characterization because I think it's setting us up for the spin-off. And I'll note as awful as he can be, he has some redeemable features underneath tho he lets the worst of him ride over them. I suppose we're up for a redemption arc.
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Unit
September 25, 2024 at 10:18 PM
It's not a word per se, it's more like a sound you make when you see something cute.
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hello
September 25, 2024 at 10:48 PM
Kyaa is Japanese :) It's a sound-effect, similar in English to a squeal.
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12 MalcolmPDX
September 25, 2024 at 7:51 PM
I feel compelled to post for the first time on this site to shout that Gyu-hyun is nothing but red flags! Dude has major anger and impulse control issues. Is completely insecure as CEO, which there is no evidence that he is even good at. Mistreats his extremely competent secretary to the point he has him writing libelous hate comments, blocking him from transferring to position that would utilize his skills, AND swooping in to steal his girl . He overseas a misogynistic and paternalistic workplace. And is super petty and vindictive on top of all that. Oh, and he can't handle his liquor. What is there to be attracted to?!! Am I missing something?! Please tell me because I do not get it at all!
Also, I get that Hae-young is upset that Ji-wook kept the whole foster kid connection from her, but her reaction seemed a bit over the top.
That being said, I LOVE this show - with the exception of the whole Gyu-hyun love interest angle. I can't imagine I will like the spin off. But if Shin Min-a makes an appearance I will be the first to tune in!
Thank you for these recaps Unit! And for giving me a place to vent! ;-)
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vienibenmio
September 25, 2024 at 7:57 PM
Do you actually want me to explain why I like Gyu-hyun or is that rhetorical? Lol.
One thing, though, he didn't swoop in and steal Ja-yeon. I think it's pretty obvious that Ha-jun didn't have feelings for her, and he even wingmanned him by driving him to her place when he was passed out
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MalcolmPDX
September 25, 2024 at 8:10 PM
I genuinely don't see anything redeemable in Hyu-hyun. I mean, I guess he's good looking and rich, but he seems like a terrible person.
and you are probably right abut Ha-jun and Ja-yeon, bt if I were writing this, I had him swoop in and save that girl.
The fact that we know there is a spin off is a bit of a spoiler....
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vienibenmio
September 25, 2024 at 8:23 PM
Yes, it was definitely a spoiler, but if you go the very reliable Kdrama rule of "the more they hate each other at first, the more likely they are to end up together" it was pretty strongly signaled. Granted, you can't exclude the possibility of hindsight bias.
Anyway, I'm not trying to change your mind, just sharing my own thoughts: I see Gyu-hun as pretty sympathetic. He's just been a pawn between his parents his whole life. His mother controls him and punishes him for his father's behavior, and his father is always threatening him. He tried to look out for his employees' welfare by implementing employee-friendly policies and his father only uses that against him. He's repressed and sheltered and spoiled. But deep down he has some degree of empathy and caring, and we've seen that in his interactions with Ja-yeon, with the orphans, even with Ha-jun to some extent (I think they're supposed to have a playful relationship and we're supposed to think that Ha-jun gives as good as he gets, although the power dynamic is impossible to ignore I'm not sure the drama considers it the same way others seem to). Everything he's doing right now is for his mother. That doesn't make it right or excusable, but he didn't actually want to do any of this, and he even openly disagreed with her at first. I don't agree with the people who said he's showing zero remorse, as they had that moment where he was reflecting on his relationship with Ji-uk in ep 9 (granted, that didn't change anything). He definitely exhibited some shameless behavior in both episodes, but I think that comes from being spoiled and sheltered like I already mentioned. People have also mentioned that there might also be the cultural factor with regards to filial piety and going against parents' wishes. Anyway, I don't really agree with assertions that, when his change of behavior and heart ultimately happens, it will only be due to extrinsic motivational factors.
Anyway, you're free to dislike him and think there's nothing redeemable about him, of course. I just really like his character and think he has a lot of complexity that, frankly, you don't see often in male leads these days, let alone 2MLs. Like I said above, too, it might also just be Lee Sang-yi's performance. If anyone else played him, maybe I'd dislike him, too.
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Jingbee
September 25, 2024 at 9:18 PM
This character though is common in other dramas, usually in makjangs and they are usually the chaebol villain or the 2ML. Mommy isssues? Check. Shameless and Petty? Check. Vindictive? Check. Abuses his secretary? Check. Every drama with a chaebol has this character, LOL!.
Skiee
September 25, 2024 at 10:52 PM
I agree with you 💯. I still like him and see where he's coming from. He's been in his mothers control and "father replacing him threat" throughout his life. He can't change just because he liked a girl and he knows that. But idk how will they make him go all against it or he won't go 🤔 maybe they won't have a happy ending. I'm curious how it will play out.
vienibenmio
September 26, 2024 at 5:26 AM
@jingbee right, I should have clarified that I meant romance specifically! I am just so tired of perfect male leads. Even Ji-uk is too perfect for me. I guess that shows why the other drama I loved prior to this most recently was Atypical Family, lol
vienibenmio
September 26, 2024 at 8:43 AM
@skiee I will be very surprised if they don't end up together. It just isn't that kind of show. I also think the show has been gearing up for him to finally make a stand against his parents, so I would bet money that will happen in the final two eps (whether it'll be enough is up to the viewers, of course)
tabong
September 25, 2024 at 9:51 PM
I think I would've reacted the same as Hae Young.
She has talked about her family, especially mom, various times. He pretended to not know anything.
Her mom was literally at their wedding and he acted as if nothing in front of Hae Young the entire day, but then visits mom in secret and takes care of her.
He has known HY since a long time ago, but didn't say anything even though they know each other for years.
All she knows now is that he lied. Who knows, maybe he even worked six years in the convenience store just to stalk her (getting dramatic here, but just so you see my point).
Even if we say that he didn't have to tell her anything during those six years as kind-of-strangers, he DEFINITELY should've told her something the second he proposed to her. Or at least not drag it for so many months after the wedding, even after their relationship started to get deep.
I think he's the one who made it seem more weird than it is supposed to be by dragging it for so long.
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Skiee
September 25, 2024 at 10:23 PM
CEO is not perfect. He's insecure as hell. His mom and his dad have ruined his self confidence. So I knew he would do that. He's not bad but He's not perfect either and he knows that. It will take a few more episodes for his development so I don't know what will happen to them and how will they make it work in 2 episodes.
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
September 25, 2024 at 10:12 PM
👋🏾welcome to the comments.
I, like you, struggle when one the baddies is suddenly shown upset with some sad music because I bear a grudge. Gyuhyun telling Jiwook to leave the country and be all alone somewhere else when he know’s Jiwook has been isolated all his life and he liked Jiwook enough to want him to call him older brother is just unacceptable. Why would I want to see Gyuhyun pining for his own love interest when he is in the process of ripping apart a couple when it was HIS dad’s self centred irresponsible behaviour that caused the problem in the first place. I often struggle to accept these redemption arcs because it feels too little too late.
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empressgirl
September 25, 2024 at 11:59 PM
Zacklee!
1) Your heartbreak is #firstworldproblems
2) Your power trip smacks of the psyche of bullies - you simply vent your rage on those weaker than you cos of the steep power gradient in your favor. Why? Cos you don't have the moral backbone to confront the real perpetrators and antagonists (namely, your own parents)
3) Hae-Yeong rightly called it out -- she referred to the Boks parents as jerks.
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Jingbee
September 26, 2024 at 12:30 AM
Oh it was definitely too late for me, too. That is why I was salty with all those scenes showing Guhyun pining for his crush and the during the date scene all I could mutter was " how shameless".
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Cori
September 26, 2024 at 12:44 AM
The Chairman is definitely getting off the hook way too easily. Gyu-hyun blaming Ji-uk's mom when his dad is equally responsible was messed up. Then the only time he even acknowledges his other son is to try to use him for Gyu-hyun's benefit
So maybe that's the guy you want to focus on, Bok Gyu, instead of shamelessly pursuing someone whose family you decided to mess with
I'm with you on the redemption arcs too, we need more than the last couple eps to get on board
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13 Britney
September 25, 2024 at 7:53 PM
Last week I had some theories and predictions including Ji Uk leaving and trying to divorce. I'm pleased to be wrong haha
Even though he did say the words and he did consider leaving.
Kudos to the folks calling out the pregnancy.
I liked the boyfriend's handling of the situation. I also liked the "you're telling me in the bathroom? I found out in the bathroom too" haha
I really can't predict where that story will go and I don't even know where I would want it to go. I guess it blends with a theme of the show which is about parental relationships or familial relationships.
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14 tabong
September 25, 2024 at 8:01 PM
Uhm... This was a weird week. I definitely enjoyed watching the episodes (most of the time), but then I felt robbed when they were done.
1. I never disliked Bok Gyu. Not once.
What happened with Ja Yeon is something that could've happened to anyone. That's life. Like, Hannah Montana says: everybody makes mistakes, everybody has those days.
But what he did to Ji Wook and Hae Young was so unnecessarily mean and he seemed to feel zero remorse for what he did.
Everything he said to Ji Wook was so hurtful and he even dared to threaten him. And demoting Hae Young without a second thought is so unfair!
Bok You knew damn well what he was doing to them. And he has no interest in making things right. The whole scene at their house was outrageous. He's so shameless!
Ji Wook is a saint because I wouldn't give him the hour of the day and let alone let him sleep on my bed.
He can get drunk and think about Ja Yeon, I. Don't. Care. But give Hae Young her job back? She literally got married for it. Because his sexist company wouldn't let her get a promotion otherwise. Like, that's the whole plot, man.
I didn't vibe with how Ja Yeon seemed more worried about him than her very-soon-unemployed unnie, either. It's like the only reason why she chose Hae Young over Bok Gyu is because of the self-guilt-tripping she has going on since years ago (therapy when show).
Like, I know she has zero dating experience, but a guy who abuses his power to get a valuable employee fired because "tantrum" and makes someone leave the country because "mommy issues" shouldn't seem that cute. Especially when that child-man is hurting the people she calls family. Sigh. But that's maybe just me and my values, so wtv. I'll let her be.
...But I genuinely didn't care about their office date. First time I ff during this show.
I liked the Woo Jae - Jin Yi mini drama tho. That couple is all about gossip. 🤣
2. Ji Wook. I think we're all thinking the same: why drag this secret for so long and let Hae Young get hurt!!
If he only knew how creepy that reveal makes him look...
But draggy or not, what's really bothering me is that he didn't have even ONE moment of being honest with Hae Young in 10 episodes. She founds out about everything by chance.
He disappears and doesn't bother to give her a heads up before appearing in her office. She only discovered he's the CEO's dongsaeng because that guy barged into their home to yell the secret. And she figured out JW's connection with mom because she casually found the pic on the floor.
Why couldn't he tell her ONE thing. Dude is saying I love you and all, but should she accept him?
Keeping information from her is a very frustrating issue with him.
3. What's with this entire chaebol plotline? Why does it matter? I just want Secretary Jang to adopt Ji Wook or something and teach him how to ride a bike.
I couldn't care less about Bok family at this point.
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tabong
September 25, 2024 at 8:03 PM
Anyway, now some good thoughts.
4. Ha Jun.
His scene with Ja Yeon is one of the highlights for me.
His apology was so sincere. I just love how respectful he was of her job and how he said he was honored.
I also find this scene particularly sweet because I know that my reaction to a friend writing about me would be the opposite. I would be like "bro... WTF?" So I think it's pretty cool he wanted to stay friends as if nothing happened. #Respect.
5. Hui Seong. They were more thoughtful with this storyline than I expected.
I like the conversation she had with Ja Yeon. Very sad but also very real.
And I like that her boyfriend expressed his feelings but also made it clear that he would respect and support her decision no matter what.
5. Ex-secretary Jang living his best life.
He's such a nice character. We don't see much of him, but he always shines in his little scenes.
And I love him with Ji Wook. Be his family, ahjussi. T.T
6. Subway PPL. I loved watching the in law's bonding time!
I love how comfortable they seemed with each other as if this has been their dynamic since forever. ☺️
7. Hae Young and Ji Wook being cute. They are too cute.
You think I remembered about Ji Wook and his secrets when he was saying stuff like "I'm telling you now", or when he was holding to her hand/finger to not let her go, or after everytime I saw that ring in his hand? NO.
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empressgirl
September 25, 2024 at 8:57 PM
6. Cos they are the Penthouse Twins! 🤣🧡
Love how they both cower under the wrath of Hae-yeong, and Ja-yeon just throwing Ji-Uk under the bus to hunker down in a safehouse 🤣
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tabong
September 25, 2024 at 9:02 PM
Omo! I remember him but not her. She looks very different with black/long hair so maybe that's way. But awwww. Always siblings those two.
I also love that scene after she came back and she was like "where are you going, bro? What were you doing all this time? What about my refrigerator!!" 😂
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Blue (@mayhemf)
September 26, 2024 at 3:05 AM
lol. What was you doing all this time had me rolling. Oh girl, if only you knew.
tabong
September 26, 2024 at 9:52 AM
😂😂
Vladdles
September 25, 2024 at 8:26 PM
To be fair Ji Uk did try to tell her about his father before going into the press conference and then dinner but she didn't want to know if it was going to distract from the moment and I think he had only just found out himself. The mother secret is I suspect a bit more complicated, he went off grid because he didn't want to lie to her where he was, I'm wondering if after the death of her father her mother said she wouldn't take in anymore children but obviously she did and she didn't want Hae Young to know.....maybe? So I think he is protecting her secret more than his own.
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tabong
September 25, 2024 at 8:57 PM
I know he has his reasons, but I don't think they're good enough now. One time makes sense, but three times is too much, imo.
I wouldn't have felt like this if he just told her everything during the date (E9). He had the best opportunity there. But no.
He's saying I love you, and asking her to love him, and saying that he's going to stay in her life and all that, but with a secret on the bag. Now everything is ruined because he kept that secret for too long.
No matter what her mom said, if he wanted a real relationship with HY, he should've told her. This is something that directly involves her and her family, and it means he knew her since the beginning.
So yeah, of course now she thinks he's a weirdo. I would be freaked out too.
And, is he planning on telling her anything I'm the future? How can we know when the show ends next week? We won't get to see any character growth.
I love Ji Wook and all but if I were Hae Young, even if he explains everything, I would feel frustrated.
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Vladdles
September 25, 2024 at 9:07 PM
Don't get me wrong she has every right to be well pissed! This is the secret that has been the ticking time bomb we knew (dreaded) was going to go off.
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tabong
September 25, 2024 at 10:13 PM
I just hope they handle this well, as they always do.
I want them to be happy! 🥺
Blue (@mayhemf)
September 26, 2024 at 3:07 AM
I hope the reason is something marginally reasonable because we and SHY have to forgive him in one episode for all this. 🥲.
I think it’s because of some promise he made to her mom? To watch out for her? He seems like a dude who would make unnecessary promises and actually keep them. lol.
tabong
September 26, 2024 at 10:00 AM
@mayhemf HAHAHA
"He seems like a dude who would make unnecessary promises and actually keep them. lol."
Exactly.
What I've been thinking all this time is that he probably did nothing wrong but he feels guilty/reasonable for it. Just because of a promise or favor he did to mom.
I feel like it's going to be something sooooo simple and that has nothing to do with him directly.
ginkoVal
September 25, 2024 at 9:40 PM
Bok Gyu-hyun: I had always liked him, up until episode 9. I understood his initial reactions towards Ji Wook and Hae-young, but I hoped he would reflect on his mistakes sooner, not like what he did in ep 10. His actions of demoting Hae Young and firing Ji Wook stem from his privileged upbringing. He is spoiled, pampered, and childish, yet somehow, I can't entirely dislike him. However, when he consciously directed his anger towards two innocent people; one is his capable team leader and the other is his Lucifer; and still gave insulting remarks, I could no longer ignore his red flags. When he crashed into Hae-young’s house, talking to them as if nothing happened, I agreed with tabong, it was outrageous and shameless.
I also don’t understand why Jae Young worried about him more than she should have about Hae Young. However, I appreciate the scriptwriter making Jae Young logical when she said their story ends here, with no happy ending for them. Honestly, episode 10 is the first time I realized Bok Gyu-hyun and Jae Young might not end up together, hence they made a spin-off for this couple. As Hae Young said, she will continue to stick by Jae-yeon, but Gyu-hyun cannot, if he learns about Jae-yeon’s past.
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tabong
September 25, 2024 at 10:09 PM
After episode 9 I hoped he would calmed down and try to make things right. I was kinda hoping that he was drinking because he felt bad for what he did and that he went there to apologize and make things right.
But the focus was all in Ja Yeon and how his actions affected his chances of dating her. I HATE that.
Then, he makes a mess in their home, stealing uri Ji Wook's bed and his breakfast as if that was his right? And then he speaks all confident to Hae Young about how she doesn't have the right to interfere with his relationship with Ja Yeon (b*tch please, you fired her because of her relationship with your brother!), and even asks her to call him a taxi as if she was his exploited secretary... I would've let him walk.
Yeah, I also feel that they may not end up together and maybe that's why the announced the spin off and all that.
I hope next week we don't get a bunch of "suffering because of this forbidden" energy, because there's seriously very few reasons why Ja Yeon would like him to that point.
I hope they just wrap up her storyline about her dad and trauma satisfactorily.
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tabong
September 25, 2024 at 10:09 PM
Forbidden love*
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empressgirl
September 26, 2024 at 4:53 AM
Digression (again) LOL:
Speaking of "forbidden love" - that random BL fantasy sequence had me howling in laughter!
The female coworkers gasped and dropped their BL novel entitled "Critical Error". I wonder if it was a cheeky allusion to "Semantic Error" (an actual Korean BL film)
Britney
September 26, 2024 at 8:19 AM
@joanna @empressgirl I did think it was a play on the Semantic Error webtoon.
Is Semantic Error also a webnovel?
Is it the most famous BL content?
vienibenmio
September 26, 2024 at 8:40 AM
@Britney Yes, it was undoubtedly a play on Semantic Error (which started out as a webnovel)
ginkoVal
September 26, 2024 at 9:07 PM
I didn't know about the "Semantic Error", now that you mentioned it, it undoubtedly played on the title.
ginkoVal
September 26, 2024 at 12:23 AM
Agree, I disliked it when all of his remorse in Ep10 was because of how he wanted to win Ja Yeon's affection, and not from realizing what he did was wrong.
I'm sure the scriptwriter will give him room to grow in the final week. My guess? By the end of the main show, they're not together. He'll probably need time to work on his own issues and become someone Ja Yeon can actually trust. Then in the spin-off, we might get a little tease of their happy ending in some AU.
PS. Apologies for mis-spelling characters' names in my previous post.
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tabong
September 26, 2024 at 1:11 AM
Now that you mention him working on his own issues, I think it would be a very unexpected but hopeful ending if they both end the show that way. Not together, and working on themselves.
Ja Yeon seeking professional help to heal all her past wounds, let go of her guilt, and work on her self-love.
And Bok Gyu working on... everything. Joke. But it would be see nice to see him actually make his own decisions (like breaking all the sexist rules in the company, etc), and let go of so much selfishness (let Ha Jun transfer), etc.
A Bok family therapy would be welcome too.
PS. It's okay! I didn't even notice it. ^^
vienibenmio
September 26, 2024 at 5:21 AM
Honestly, if they only get together in the AU, I will be really sad. I know I'm clearly in the minority here, but I love them.
So, I am clearly biased, but I also just don't see it happening where they don't end up together and only end up together in that AU. First, like I said elsewhere, I don't think the drama sees Gyu-hyun as needing as much redemption as many viewers seem to. Some redemption, yes, but nothing that can't be accomplished in the last two episodes. This is a romcom and it doesn't take itself that seriously. Third, the real hurtle to them being together in the show's viewpoint seems to be Ja-yeon's guilt, which I am sure will resolve with the climax of the "dad" storyline. Remember, she was holding his hand and only dropped it when the subject of Hae-yeong's dad's death came up.
vienibenmio
September 26, 2024 at 5:24 AM
@enriquequierecagar I'm of the belief that relationships can be personal growth - especially Ja-yeon learning to accept things that make her happy and not push them away. Gyu-hyun fighting to be with her despite his parents' wishes, if they do object (I assume his father will), would also show personal growth. I think we will eventually see him make his own decisions. I agree that two eps isn't much for that... maybe we will get the dreaded timeskip (but honestly I see the most likely timeskip as more of a cute epilogue).
vienibenmio
September 26, 2024 at 5:58 AM
I think they were trying to show in ep 9 that he's feeling remorse, but they could have done a better job with that
vienibenmio
September 26, 2024 at 4:50 AM
I'm positive Gyu-hyun and Ja-yeon will end up together. Her reservation isn't Gyu-hyun’s actions towards her sister and brother in law, though it should be, but her guilt about her background. Gyu-hyun will learn to buck his parents' yoke and probably his mom all approve of her favorite author, anyway. I know people have serious reservations about them together but i don't think the drama sees it that way, as irreparable.
The spinoff is,as far as I can tell, a story inside Ja-yeon's head. It takes place in an earlier episode timeline wise. Unless there's a future jump at the end, it won't be used to get those two together in canon, imo
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vienibenmio
September 26, 2024 at 5:16 AM
Wanted to elaborate: I personally think that approach would be better (leave it hanging in NGNL but get them together in Spice Up Our Love). That's where I initially thought things were heading when this drama started. But, based off of everything we're learning about the spinoff, I don't think that's actually what's going to happen.
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empressgirl
September 27, 2024 at 9:14 PM
Re: "I'm positive Gyu-hyun and Ja-yeon will end up together."
@vienibenmio: I am clocking this as a plot prediction ok? Bragging rights to you next week if you get it right!
I just love betting pools before the finale! Gives me this frisson of cheap thrill! 🤣🤣
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vienibenmio
September 28, 2024 at 5:22 AM
Absolutely! I am very, very confident in my skill of predicting endgame in romance stories in general 😂
Sunnyboo ☀️🥰
September 28, 2024 at 10:27 PM
I expected (hoped madly) that he would apologise but no...which was disappointing. Clearly, he's not learning fast enough to keep up with...us? 🙄 It also speaks to how deeply the hurt/damage goes. His entire life his mother has bred a fear and suspicion in him that's probably hard to go against. He needs a lot help (therapy would be an excellent first stop).
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Britney
September 25, 2024 at 10:53 PM
I don't think the secret dragged out too long. I felt he didn't know how to tell her but he had been trying to work up the courage. There were a few times he mentioned her mother but then it was a kinda touchy subject.
I can see why people thought he could've/should've told her sooner but I can also see why he didn't/couldn't.
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empressgirl
September 25, 2024 at 11:54 PM
My plot prediction for this particular beat: I suspect there is more to why Ji-Uk finds it hard to broach this topic (and it goes waaaay beyond the fact that he was her mom's last foster kid).
(actually we should all do plot predictions this week cos it's the last time we can do it for NGNL anyway!)
Let's start the betting pool!
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tabong
September 26, 2024 at 12:21 AM
The last time... 😭
He was there when mom started to get sick. He probably heard all of mom's regrets and wishes. So, I think he most have a deep understanding of mom's feelings about Hae Young.
That's why the first time Hae Young mentioned that her relationship with mom was bad, he tried to take mom's side and defend her. He knows that mom's loves her.
Maybe he feels guilty for knowing more about mom than Hae Young does. He's probably the one who got mom into that institution, and left HY as her emergency contact.
Maybe he feels like he should've tried to help them heal their relationship. Maybe he thinks he should've told HY her mom was sick...
Anyway, it's the last week so I don't think it's going to be anything big. There's no time left. 😭
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tabong
September 26, 2024 at 12:57 AM
Dear @db-staff can my reply be released from prison, please? Thank you very kamsa.
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Cori
September 26, 2024 at 1:10 AM
Even if it was just something simple like mom asking Ji-uk to make sure Hae-young was doing well, I could see dragging out the reveal. Because if he didn't tell her about his situation from the get-go, it would be awkward at best to bring it up anytime after. But! Since we had to go the "finding out by chance" route, I hope there's more to it too lol
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
September 26, 2024 at 7:08 AM
I like this explanation as it gives a context to him saying he was on a mission no one knows about in the first episode when the two job applicants asked why he didn’t want the corporate job. It would also explain his doing good in the neighbourhood even though he doesn’t live, there getting rid of criminals and why he was happy working in her local neighbourhood store where he could see her consistently.
Cori
September 26, 2024 at 8:35 AM
@Reply1988 I wish I could Reply properly Mother Bean!
Awww yes! When Mom realized she'd need to go into the Nursing Home, she had to have asked Ji-uk to look out for Hae-young until she was married. Since he told her he'd quit his job at the store when she was (banter doubling as truth haha). I forgot about him working with the police in the neighborhood!
Digressing a bit, but I love that even though they had a connection, Ji-uk genuinely didn't like her much at first and was just doing everything for Mom. I still wish he would have told her on his own, but that makes everything come across as less weird lol
tabong
September 26, 2024 at 10:10 AM
Omo. I like this story you two have built here.
That would explain a lot of his situation in the first few episodes.
And it would be a valid explanation that Hae Young could accept.
pineapplegongzhu
September 26, 2024 at 10:19 PM
@Cori and @Reply1988 - I really like both of your plot predictions. Just to add one of my own, either in Episode 3 or Episode 4 Ji-Uk whispered into Hae-Young's mother's ear that he would keep his promise to her.
We know he takes promises very seriously given the one he has kept to his grandmother. It would make complete sense if Hae-Young's mother asked him to watch over her and make sure she's doing well until she's married.
As you two astutely remembered, it would draw together several lines and disparate actions that didn't make sense in the first two episodes, but would now in the greater context of the show.
That's right! That throw away like "he's on a mission no one knows about" could totally be watching over Hae-Young! That would explain him paroling the neighborhood even though he doesn't live there, and why he would have taken the convenience store job!
He's been there 6 years - that is an interesting timeline. 9 years ago Hae-Young was still living at home. She left soon after her father was murdered, I assume. But, 6 years ago she returned to the house - and had that deadbeat boyfriend, who Ji-Uk saw when they fought at the convenience store.
And yes!! The line about him quitting that job once she got married was not just a snarky comeback, but a hint of his true intentions of being there!!
Good job there, Sherlocks!
Yes, I do wonder if Ji-Uk at first was just living out his promise to Hae-Young's mother, and he probably didn't like Hae-Young at first. But, the fact that he remembers all the things she likes (the Pang Pang Mustard Jellies, etc) shows that she grew on him.
I also wonder if Hui-Seung's comment to Ja-yeon that Hae-Young wanted to get married before her mother truly forgot her was may have been a turning point for Ji-Uk, since it shows Hae-Young's softer side, and one who is conscientious of making her mother happy - maybe he thought it would be way of bringing reconciliation.
Also, as much as Hae-Young was frustrated at her mother's generosity towards others, Hae-Young herself is really nurturing, protective and caring (like her mom). She's so loyal to her "family" whoever they may be (fake husband included). I SO SHIP Ji-Uk and Hae-Young!
kimchiturka
September 26, 2024 at 1:03 PM
Your point no. 3 is everything <3
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tabong
September 26, 2024 at 1:19 PM
I want them to become a family. 🥺
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15 Nirbhay
September 25, 2024 at 8:55 PM
This is the only rom-com which I am managing to complete this year and that is saying a lot for the writer and the main OTP. Shin Minah has done a great job making her character realistic & adorable and Kim Young Dae has really good chemistry and pacing in this drama. The breakfast scene was fabulous as well as the getting attacked by the umbrella by Shin-Minah. Does Gyu-hyuon always use somebody else as a shield for his weaknesses? I can't ship the Gyu-hyun-Jay -eon arc. The CEO has no character growth so I agree with Hayeoung that he should stay away from Ja-yeon. I was hoping murders/murderers would not encroach on this rom-com. Ah well, one can't have everything. I hope the next 2 episodes focus on the OTP.
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16 Nefret
September 25, 2024 at 9:06 PM
I love the FL and the humour is great, so it hardly bothers me that the ROM part doesn't work for me, at least with the main characters. This is mainly due to ML, who is too perfect and bland.
On the other hand, I get more heart flutters with our second couple, especially since it was revealed that the hate comment on chapter 51 wasn't made by the CEO. I do hope SML manages to detach himself from his parents, especially his mum, soon though. The relationship is definitely not healthy if it makes SML act so contrary to his actual character. What happens if his mum is against his relationship? Will he have the courage to stand up to his mum and stand by his partner?
I'm already looking forward to the two spin-off episodes, hopefully without parents. It would be great if we could see the re-enacted office scene here, the poster at least gives me hope.
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vienibenmio
September 26, 2024 at 5:29 AM
Are you me? I also find the main couple bland due to the ML
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PYC
September 26, 2024 at 5:49 AM
Me too. Shin Mina is great as in her acting and how that character is written but the 1ML is bland (although Kim Young Dae’s acting is better than expected but there’s not much to write home about in terms of the character.)
On the other hand, the second couple’s storyline is much more interesting with two refreshing performances, making the coupling dynamic and attractive. Now that I know the spin-off is a story within a story, I rather they end up as a couple in the current drama than dragging out yo an unrelated story just to appease any unhappy fans from the ending of this drama. Fingers crossed.
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vienibenmio
September 26, 2024 at 6:01 AM
Don't worry, I am sure that they will end up together in this drama. The spinoff takes place in the middle of NGNL, so unless there's a time jump at the end there isn't much development that can happen in terms of after NGNL--and given that it's only 2 eps, I don't think even a time jump would happen early enough to accomplish much storywise. From what I've seen of the spinoff, it seems like either a cute "what if" or is canon but takes place ENTIRELY in Ja-yeon's head while she's asleep in the hospital (after passing out in the street). I'm kind of leaning towards the latter, which also may explain why she developed feelings for Gyu-hyun a lot more quickly than I expected...
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Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
September 26, 2024 at 1:50 PM
I'm not asking for details about the spinoff, obviously, but - is the web novel (manhwa?) on which it's based not finished yet, and that's why no one knows exactly how it relates to this show?
vienibenmio
September 26, 2024 at 2:02 PM
@Elinor Assuming I understand your question, Spice Up Our Love is not a real webnovel or manhwa. It exists only in the show. In the show, it's not finished as of ep 10 (lol), but that might change by ep 12. They're just being really cagey with details about the spinoff other than an overview of the premise.
Nefret
September 26, 2024 at 6:05 AM
Kim Young Dae is better than feared. Another actor with a little more energy and skill could probably have breathed a little more charisma into his character.
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FLFan
September 26, 2024 at 10:34 AM
His performance is very nuanced. He conveys emotions with microexpressionson his fascinatingly beautiful face.
PYC
September 27, 2024 at 8:44 AM
Yes, energy is the word. It’s already a thinly written character and I’m always curious about his years of working in a convenience store, what’s on his mind and any life goals etc etc. The whole point seems to serve the romcom standard purpose for the FL to have the happy ending of marrying a chaebol husband.
17 Skiee
September 25, 2024 at 10:15 PM
This one is still winning. Watching this drama makes me so happy. These episodes were a little sad and angsty but oh god they served. I may like the second leads a bit more. I can't believe it's ending 💔. Ohh and waiting for the spinoff trailer looks so good.
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18 petrolia
September 25, 2024 at 10:21 PM
I like this show as a whole, especially that you never know what'll be coming at you - the horse scene with ex-secretary Jang felt like such a breeze of fresh air when he said to Ji Uk that he should take care of his own life and not let others take the reign, especially not dead people.
But what was for me a serious letdown was the office reenactment scene. I can't follow the swooning here because I just can't get it into my head how you could flirt with a guy who is in the verge of destroying my besties career just because Mom says so and trying to send said bestie's husband to Canada for the same reason AND YOU KNOW IT! I couldn't even pretend to be polite let alone to flirt with him. That scene left a bad feeling throughout. What almost bothers me most is his passive-aggressive demeanour by saying things like "I know I'll just be the villain to you", which tells us that he knows this is wrong. But he still follows through because why? Grow up, man. I had hoped for a show that turns so many tropes on its head that the two half siblings would gang up on Dad and refuse outright to compete, and that in that same turn son would take a stand against Mom for her mean attitudes, but no. At least yet.
And re Ji Uk's now in the open secret: he has kept it to himself for far too long, along with all his orher secrets. But let me remind you: this show is all about lies. Almost everyone here is lying! You never know what you're at with all these people.
I'm really excited how they will wrap this up next week and I agree, this is the show which could have well used two episodes more.
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Britney
September 26, 2024 at 4:33 AM
He even said "do you want to hear my excuse?" and my thought is that there isn't any excuse. There is no justifiable reason for what he did to Hae Young and Ji Uk.
I can, maybe, get Ja Yeon saying her issues and Hae Young's are separate (but not really) because earlier Hui Seong told her the same thing; that she didn't have to put Hae Young's feelings or benefit ahead of her all the time.
Though in this instance, I don't think that perspective applies haha
But Ja Yeon has her own issues of feeling guilty and scared and ashamed that's more prevalent than the wrongs Hae Young & Ji Uk are facing. She, on a base level, doesn't feel she deserves to fully happy or in love.
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vienibenmio
September 26, 2024 at 5:14 AM
I actually think that's where the drama was trying to go with Ja-yeon, her learning to put herself first, separate herself from Hae-yeong, and accept what she wants for her own happiness, but clearly it did not successfully accomplish that as shown by people's reactions.
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19 Britney
September 25, 2024 at 10:38 PM
I don't understand the business logic of how Ji Uk existing in Seoul or even anywhere in the country is a potential problem for shareholders and their stocks.
He has no interest in the business and even if he did, what is the worst he could do? Say "hey, I'm the product of an affair 28 years ago and that means kids can't learn from tablets or use our software"? Even if he demanded shares of the company, does he automatically have to get a position in the company?
I have never understood this correlation between family/personal matters and stocks and shareholders.
Sidenote: it kinda reminds me of Strong Girl Do Bong Soon where the male lead was threatened because the brother didn't want him to take over the dad's business and the ML was like I don't WANT the business. I'm doing my own thing over here.
I might understand if the personal matters directly affected (such as the decision maker has an illness that lead to bad decision making) the business but an affair from 28 years ago? A guy who worked in a convenience store and never got ANY benefits of being the CEO's offspring.
Ji Uk was just living his own life before the CEO decided to interfere in his life. He just wanted to use and discard him but somehow Ji Uk is the threat to everything? Make it make sense.
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vienibenmio
September 26, 2024 at 5:13 AM
I see it as displacement: the mom wants to punish her husband, but she can't (why? I'm honestly not sure) so she punishes the innocent parties that are less powerful instead
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Britney
September 26, 2024 at 8:32 AM
It wouldn't punish her husband since he doesn't care about Ji Uk. She wanted to get rid of him because it's a hit to her pride and a reminder & visual proof of her being cheated on. Just like sending the mother off to Canada.
And also she was flippant about using Hae Young just to get Ji Uk when she had nothing to do with anything.
My thing is the business reasoning.
It seems like if women banded to reveal the discriminatory practices, sued, or even just left comments on forums, that would affect the company more than Ji Uk's existence in SK.
The entitlement of the Bok family is anger inducing.
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vienibenmio
September 26, 2024 at 8:36 AM
IMO she isn't trying to punish the husband, she's displacing her anger on easier targets. I do think she's worried the husband is going to use Ji-uk to oust Gyu-hyun (and for good reason, ep 1 keeps reiterating that he's only in charge because he's the only son).
Oh yeah, the Bok parents are terrible and honestly I think it's amazing Gyu-hyun didn't turn out even worse than he did.
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20 Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
September 25, 2024 at 10:40 PM
Thanks for the recap @unit you really got the best deal with this recap selection as so far this drama has maintained a well balanced fun with serious elements approach.
I am confident this drama will end well and be my favourite K drama for 2024.
I think even the murder in a rom com trope will be turned on its head and the dad is back because he wants to apologise not harass. I picture him living in the shared house and working at Thirsty deer with the My Sweet Mobster bunch🥰
I have also got the Manager Jang fan club t shirt. I like the return of Manager Jang giving us another insight as we always see the secretary/driver as living for the boss so we forget they have hopes and dreams just like everyone else.
I want to see the Jiwook story and his secret mission with the good deeds for the police etc. and his time with his mother in law as his connection with their family and why he kept it a secret must be more than it currently appears to be.
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empressgirl
September 25, 2024 at 11:51 PM
Re: Thanks for the recap @unit you really got the best deal with this recap selection
I was about to say the same, except my comment is: "God IS fair, Unit gets NGNL now cos she earlier had to suffer the atrocity and high treason of that scamming show MND (Oh the betrayal! I shudder as a viewer) 🤣🤣
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Unit
September 26, 2024 at 12:41 AM
I forgot that show existed.😑
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Britney
September 26, 2024 at 4:36 AM
What is MND?
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empressgirl
September 26, 2024 at 4:41 AM
Miss Night and Day (a show we would all rather forget we actually watched lol)
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Britney
September 26, 2024 at 8:34 AM
The best thing about that show (in the 8 episodes I watched) were the actress who played Lim Sun and the Mr Chu performance.
Nirbhay
September 27, 2024 at 3:43 AM
Truly the writer did us a dastardly trick in MND by making it go meh the last 4 episodes. This is why I am sticking to 12 Ep dramas where you don't feel so cheated. Unit's writing is way better than MND scriptwriter.
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tabong
September 26, 2024 at 12:54 AM
Manager Jang fanclub? I'm in!
I hope he keeps being part of Ji Wook's life even after the chaebol drama is over.
And now that we saw him living his best life, I hope Ha Jun gets to free himself from such an uninspiring boss and gets to do what he wants in the end.
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empressgirl
September 26, 2024 at 1:32 AM
On a digression here: can I say I totally dig that opening scene when Ha Jun changes the rules of engagement and "lose the battle but win the war" by instructing his own kids to play Dodgeball whilst the unsuspecting Gyu-hyun continues to play Football.
It was paggro at its gleeful, childish, devious best.
That scene is brilliantly done at so many levels.
And THIS is how you level the playing field and get payback
I have a feeling that Ha Jun and Hae yeong will be besties in a different life
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tabong
September 26, 2024 at 1:59 AM
I can picture a scene of Ha Jun x Hae Young in the rooftop of the company planning Bok You's downfall together.
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empressgirl
September 26, 2024 at 3:49 AM
OMG - totally!
He in a trench-coat and shades, she with smoky eye-liner puffing languidly away on a ciggie. Plotting.
#partnersincrime
Nirbhay
September 27, 2024 at 3:46 AM
What a great idea. Writer-nim, can you incorporate that please?
Sunnyboo ☀️🥰
September 28, 2024 at 9:58 PM