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Beauty and Mr. Romantic: Episodes 21-30 (Drama Hangout)

Welcome to the Drama Hangout for KBS’s family weekender Beauty and Mr. Romantic, where Im Soo-hyang is a troubled/troublesome top actress, and Ji Hyun-woo is the rookie PD she’s working with.

This is your place to chat about the drama as it airs.


Beware of spoilers! This thread is for discussing the entire series.

 
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Jindan’s internal monologue is as nasty, vicious and entitled as his conduct. Yuck. I hope Jiyoung/Dora’s further entanglement with him doesn’t come to pass.

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Speaking of our nasty predator Jin-dan, though, I noted that Go Yoon is also gonna be one of the villains in Player 2 as well...it may tip the scales for me to go watch!!

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I wasn’t familiar with his work until this weekender came along and now think he is a competent actor. I hope he doesn’t get typecasted as a villain going forward.

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If they’re going to have a redemption arc for Jindan, it is going to be a hard sell. We will be midway through soon and it seems unlikely that by then there will be any manifest capacity for genuine contrition, self-awareness and accountability for his violent, abusive and predatory conduct

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Nor is there dramatic need for one. Jin-dan delenda est.

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A very apt use of Latin!

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It probably should more accurately been phrased as "Jindano Delenda EST". I, of course was alluding to Scipio's famous call for the destruction of Cartage ("Carthago Delenda Est"). If making a Latin phrase it would have been best to Latinize Jin-dan's name.

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I know the provenance of the adage and enjoyed your usage here as Jindan should be destroyed. He is beyond redemption for me at this point.

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Good thing her alarm bells are ringing (although not quite loud enough) when he tells her he should stay for free in one of his apartments. "Becoming my girlfriend comes with perks" 🤮

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But OMG, after the beginning of episode 22, being the good tenant who doesn't hitch rides from the "catch" of the household also comes with (kimchi) perks!!

As with the ENTIRE drama so far, Do-ra cannot win. She's always at someone else's whim. Ain't it the way...

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And, I really don’t like how Pilseung speaks to the assistant director. He sounds obnoxious and hence, is getting on my nerves. It is an unfortunate change in his character’s depiction over the last few eps but it tracks with some of the sexist and arrogant characteristics instilled in a male KD archetype.

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They got Pil-seung's foundation to match his skin by the end of episode 21 thank the goddess!!! Please don't go back, MUA! Jebal!

Also OMO biceps.

Also, Ji-young's jump of surprise at the very beginning had me laughing so hard, I watched it 10 times just to relive the experience!!!

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I noticed the colour correction too. Thank goodness. That vampire pallor was awful.

And, this episode seemed to soft launch Mari’s attraction/lust towards Dojun. Love will have to wait.

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Ma-ri suddenly finds Do-jun attractive. It isn't quite lust yet but once Pilseung's birth secret is out her feelings would naturally turn to him. I was wondering if the writer would take things in that direction or simply leave Ma-ri and Do-jun as friends. The question has been partially answered with that scene: The door has been left open for a romance.

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I keep mentioning Do-jun's biceps (that scene was so OTT!!), but what I really think it was setting up was that Pil-seung is an oppa, but he might just as well be an "old man" to Ma-ri. Do-jun, I do believe, is younger or at least more at parity age-wise to her.

I can easily see a scene--sooner rather than later!--where it is MA-RI who rejects Pil-seung because he's too old for her. I mean, what if that happens even BEFORE their genetic relationship is revealed and does not even end up being WHY the genetic relationship is revealed...I wouldn't put it past this writer!

Also, if this ends up being why the "incest danger" is averted, it would also return us to the writer's theme of age and love nicely...or, more to the point, her theme of distinguishing between obsessing over someone you admire versus actually loving them for who they are (speaking of which, please more Do-sik and Myeong-dong now that she is finally a screenwriter!!!).

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It would be nice if Ma-ri were to reject Pilseung as being too old first but then there would be no need for the birth secret reveal and there is no way the writer is going to pass that one up. But it might be that someone will also point this out to her as a way of cushioning the blow.

Ma-ri will also get something out of the reveal: The fact that she has a an older (half) brother. She has a real Oppa. She still gets to admire her older brother and the circle of her family has just expanded.

Before they decided to be friends Do-jun was actually addressing Ma-ri as "noona" because he is two years younger than she. Which fact may give her more confidence in pursuing him and changes his perception of her. It may be that one added element which allows him to see her as a woman rather than a child.

I love the idea that Do-shik and Myeong-dong may finally be able to come together.

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Well, I disagree that there would be "no" reason for the birth secret reveal...and I think this writer might like to NOT take the easy way out!!

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Dowager Aunt is hell-bent on revealing Soo-yeon's past because it reflects poorly on her family not to have the male heir in her nephew's direct line...it could be that in THAT quest, Pil-seung's birth story is revealed by someone who arrives--like a flash, like a vision--from 미국, preferably Boston (I love how specific they were in this story) spilling ALL the beans.

OR! It could happen as a consequence of Pil-seung's adopted mom having to come clean that he was adopted and then the nosy ancestors get all up in the story's grill...

The possibilities for not having this go the obvious way seem endless.

Of course, it'll probably go the obvious way, but it's fun to imagine otherwise!!!

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But lust is often instantaneous so it applied to that scene!

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Absolutely. The only reason Ma-ri cannot acknowledge that attraction yet is because she is obsessed with Pil-seung and is not going to be disloyal. But that was definitely a lust reaction going on and towards a man who is already her friend.

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I see a lot of hate for Jindan... so I'm throwing a controversial opinion here 😁 :
I actually find Jindan OK after the restart?
This time it is Dora who basically forces him to be in her company... and I also so far don't see much difference between Jindan's behaviour and Pilseung's behaviour, both are in their on way sort of forcing stuff on Dora (I even think Pilseung is right now worse for confusing Dora).

Also, the reason that Dora makes Jindan laugh is a good reason to be interested in her and want to spend time with her.

* I have not watched E21 yet.

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Episode 21 will clarify everything regarding Jin-dan.

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Also biceps. It clarifies everything regarding biceps. 😉🫢🤠

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😄😄
And now I'm torn... I'm not much in the mood to watch Jindan spiralling (again!) into his obsessive villainy (if I understood @oldawyer hint well) ... but biceps??... hmmm... tempting, tempting... 😁😁

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Episode 21 has no spiral of villainy...it just demonstrates that Jin-dan has no desire to be a better man.

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Thanks for the clarification @attiton (now I need to find time to watch the episode). It is a shame Jindan doesn't want to change, I had my hopes, I admit, for a redemption arc for him, especially after seeing his bemused smile in last episodes, oh well.

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Biceps, broad shoulders, a hint of serious abs........ Ma-ri is sweet and childlike but she is also a woman and a very basic one at that.

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Oh, @oldawyer! You want so much more for our Ma-ri-ya than just a basic hunk of man!!!!

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You are right that I want more for Ma-ri than just a basic hunk- I want a friends to lovers story. Which is what is possible with Do-jun and no one else.

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Episodes 21 and 22 were very enlightening. The bright spots? Myeong-dong finally won a scriptwriting contest and as a result she and Do-shik can start dating. Plus, Do-ra’s acting talents are being recognized.

Now for the bad news: Jin-dan never learned a thing from what happened two years ago. His behavior last week was a head fake: His real objective with “Ji-yeong” is to make her his mistress even as he marries Kin Tae-Hee, the Chaebol heiress. He really is scum.
Do-ra’s mom is still unable to control her temper or behavior. She too has learned nothing.

Ma-ri has pursued Pil-seung and had her heart broken. Pil-seung says he just sees her as his little sister (little does he know). But, Do-jun is back in the picture and appearing in episodes again- and Ma-ri got to feel his biceps. This last may be the start of something more once Ma-ri is over Pilseung.

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Myeong-dong and Do-Shik interactions were a bright spot, but I guess there will be a bit (more) hair pulling by/of meddling parents coming up very soon.

I wonder when:
1) the big birth secret will be revealed. (my bets on soon?)
2) when will DoRa regain her memories and will it be in drips and drabs or will it be one sudden truth bomb. (I have no idea)
3) when will they find out that Jin Dan was the mastermind behind her previous downfall. (likely near the end?)
And more importantly, what would be the consequences of 1-3 above. The writer has surprised me several times already, so I don't know what to expect.

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You won your bet that the birth secret reveal would be soon. Congratulations on some excellent prognostication.

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The hair pulling wasn't quite by whom I expected though! Poor Ji Yeong. Honestly, Jin Dan's mum knows he is a womaniser and yet immediately pins the blame on Ji Yeong instead of stopping for a moment to think about what the heck her son is doing.

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Thinking and communications do not a Kdrama make! 🫣🤯🤔

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Thoughts on Ep21-22: Not sure if it's just me but it seems like the pacing has slowed down a little compared to what we've been used to. For everyone's sake (especially the viewers), can they please resolve the "Ma-Ri seriously obsessing over Pil-Seung" issue sooner rather than later?

Also, I get why Pil-Seung is trying to protect Ji Young from repeating her traumatic "1st life" again, but without her memories, his current reaction to her budding acting career is evidently pushing her further an further away from him (and into the hands of dangerous people). The silver lining is that the synopsis indicates that he will patiently and devotedly raise her up again. I'm looking forward to him softening up again and supporting her in her choices as that's the only approach that is likely to work.

At least Ji Young seems to be much more assertive this time around. Too bad Jin Dan is likely to turn nasty again when she turns down his advances. I am loving the references to her "grandma" saying that "you get nothing in life for free, there is always payback". Poles apart from what her real mum would have asked her to do.

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I thought episode 21 moved at the normal clip--loved loved LOVED the garden show date--but agree that episode 22 was slower. I didn't mind it so much, but did feel that the writer was taking her time on things that didn't quite seem so important (although I'm glad that we got a chance for Ma-ri to hear directly from Pil-seung that things just weren't going to work out)...but then BAM right at the end, "Mom??"

Now Myeong-dong and Do-sik are going to be at the crux of the crises between the two families rather than Do-ra/Ji-young and Pil-seung...

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Yes, the garden show date was cute. And he used the 12-year-old DoRa trick to get her there. Ha!

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"Mom?"- Talk about a cliffhanger. For a moment it seemed like the show was slowing down but maybe not. Poor Myeong-dong and Do-shik. Things were really looking up for them and now this.

Ma-ri is made of sterner stuff- she is not about to take no for an answer. Stay tuned.

In my father's youth movie theaters included ongoing shows called 'Serials' which were shown before the Main Feature. They had titles like THE LONE RANGER and BUCK ROGERS. This show is starting to feel like one of those old-fashioned serials, which is where the idea of the cliff-hanger originated. One had to come back next week to see how the hero got out of the fix he was in. That is how we ended this week.

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I hope most of the “heroes” were actually hanging from the cliffs and that's how the expression began!😱😂

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Not in every case but often enough that the idea spread to similar predicaments. The term then spread to any situation where the audience would want to return just to see what happens next.

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You are right about what Do-ra's mom would have done- not the idea that nothing is free because she would have agreed with that: Instead, her mom would have Do-ra pay any price so long as Mom could reap the benefit.

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I feel sorry for Myeong-dong and Do-sik. You can’t choose your parents, after all. But if any two characters should be screeched at and have their hair pulled, it’s her mom and his mom — doing it to each other as they both so richly deserve for their inability to self-reflect, experience shame or see their family members as anything but a means to become chaebol-adjacent.

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I wasn't sure whether to laugh or cry during that scene where Pil Seung tries to stay still and not to retaliate while all the women are screeching and fighting around him. He looked like a very tall tree.

I think more screeching and hair pulling is definitely coming our way.

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I actually SCREAMED out lout and clapped my hands to my face at 58m46s of episode 23.

I had had the stupidest grin on my face for the previous 20 minutes and then...

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My take was that she currently only has a storybook idea of what that means.

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The SLAP, though! It was utterly shocking coming from her!

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It was indeed shocking yet at that moment it was also an understandable automatic reaction given that her mom knows that what Ma-ri was planning on doing was having a child with her (half)brother. Of course, it is also the reason why she is now forced to reveal the birth secret to her. Ma-ri was trying to do the one thing that removed any choice in the matter.

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No, here we will simply disagree. It was not an "understandable" reaction to hit someone who is (a) your daughter and (b) just revealed that she thinks sleeping with someone (and I'm not sure she meant much more than sleeping in the same bed) results in "making a baby."

The adult in the room was Soo-yeon.

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Ma-ri may only have a storybook idea about it but romance novels can get fairly close to graphic and it was a romance novel that she was reading.

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Fairly close to graphic??? Am I revealing too much??

Back to the topic at hand, though, the way they said her "make a baby" (which I'm having to assume was a good translation reflecting how who should NOT be making a baby would say that) that had me REALLY uncomfortable.

It's not that Ma-ri isn't worth treating as an adult, it's that she isn't shown to have the capacity to tell where the line between safety and danger is or, frankly, the line between appropriate and inappropriate behavior more broadly.

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"Fairly close to graphic" was meant euphemistically.

You are right that Ma-ri's capacity for judgment is very limited. Yet that may be part of her charm. Part of why Pilseung was so attractive to her father as a potential son in law was that he was a trustworthy person who could help keep Ma-ri safe.

Ma-ri deserves to be treated as an adult woman whose needs and desires are respected but also with an understanding and acceptance of her limitations.

Yet, this should not be an unusual idea: We all have limitations. Part of what we mean when we say we want to be understood is that we want acknowledgement and acceptance of our limitations. The difference with Ma-ri is that hers are more immediately obvious.

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Episode 23 shifted the focus first to our secondary couple and then to Ma-ri. Also, Pilseong was finally forced to back down and will now help Do-ra achieve her dream of acting. Maybe this is the final gift of amnesia to Do-ra- she is no longer going to do this for the money but because of her love of acting. Amnesia has truly been a blessing to her.

Our second couple has lied to their families about breaking up but will be sneaking around instead: Expect comedy to ensue.

As I thought Ma-ri is made of much sterner stuff than people give her credit for. For all that she speaks in a childlike manner and has been dressed like a child she is no child. She is very much a woman and desires to marry. She hatched the idea of sneaking into Pil-seong’s room with the object of sleeping with him to make a baby. She did not bargain on falling asleep in his closet so that plan collapsed in about as harmless a way as possible, but her stunt did serve a purpose or rather two purposes: First the dramatic purpose of finally forcing her mom to confess and reveal Pilseong’s birth secret. Second, as a reminder that someone like Ma-ri may not possess all of the abilities that most of us have but she is not less than a whole human being just because that is so.

The reveal of the birth secret before we have reached the half-way point suggests that the writer is definitely not done with Ma-ri’s story. Whatever else may transpire do not forget that Ma-ri may be disappointed but in fact has gained something priceless: An older brother.

Meanwhile Jin-dan is seeing Tae Hee. For the moment both sides of our double triangle are broken, but it is doubtful that we have seen the last of Jin-dan.

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I was very pleased that the writer chose to have Jin-dan move his interest away from Ji-young even though furious that she dismissed him. Not only does this suggest that he has some small control over his own actions, but as @dorotka noted last week, there's a small Jin-dan fan club out there who might like to see a door open for redemption for him...

I mean not that turning his attention to his fake marriage with that woman is a "good deed" or anything, but at very least he's running with people playing the same game as him.

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We have not seen much of Tae Hee yet BUT there are some things that we do know beyond the fact that she and Jin-dan actually know each other well.

One of the things I noted was that until now the 'engagement' may have been 'official' but it was just as fake to her as it was to him. It now appears that Tae Hee has changed her mind about that- which was evidenced by Jin-dan's mom telling him that he might have to marry her 'for real'.

At the same time his pursuit of Ji-yeong was simply based upon her superficial appearance to Do-ra- it was nostalgia. So far it has not occurred to anyone but Pilseung that Ji-young is in fact Do-ra: Ji-young is not at this moment the glamorous beautiful superstar that Jin-dan desired and wished to possess.

As between Ji-young and Tae Hee who is at this point more desirable? Tae hee in every way possible: She is beautiful, smart and stands out in any crowd because she is a fashionista (to the max). Ji-young pales in comparison. And Tae-hee has that powerful added attraction of actually wanting Jin-dan.

That at this moment Jin-dan may have shifted his affections to Tae hee is not a 'good deed' but rather entirely genuine and for understandable reasons-- even rational ones.

Of course, at some point the truth about 'Ji-young' will come out. My hypothesis is that at that point Jin-dan's obsession will return - and even be dialed up a few notches more.

My second hypothesis is that Tae Hee is not going to take well to this. Partly because until that happens Jin-dan's affections for her had become genuine. Let us not forget that she takes great pride in her sheer capacity for anger.

If so, then we may have some idea of the plans the writer has for The Fall of Jin-dan.

Assuming that things do go this way, the question will be whether or not Tae Hee's wrath extends to and actually touches Do-ra.

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There's no way Ji Yeong can withstand Pil Seung's charms now that he has dialled it up to 11.

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No...way. Nor do we want her to. That said, he could dial down the patronizing smile just a smidge and I wouldn't mind. He does treat her a bit like a simpleton--I don't think Popcorn Manager is wrong about believing him on that.

However, Pil-seung's also just happy to be with Do-ra. I get that too, but as he's hopefully TRULY processing...Ji-young isn't Do-ra and even when Do-ra remembers everything, she'll also STILL not be the old Do-ra.

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Popcorn Manager. I like that. Although I think he'd prefer to be known s popcorn ceo.

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If there is anything that is clear here it is that Pilseung has finally accepted Do-ra's transformation into Ji-young- and hopes that it will continue. Is he a bit arrogant patronizing? Sure, but his affection for her is real.

In a way what is best about this is simply that once she regains her memories the new Dora will not be the old Dora. The things that she learned as Ji-young will all still be there. I think that this fact will actually make things much easier for Pilseung.

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He still has curly hair on his KMS staff ID pass. 😀

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If only the curly hair had not been banished for that boring ‘adult’ hair style.

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Mari has a lot more moral understanding than we have given her credit for. She really laid things out very clearly when she talked about her mom’s abandonment of Pilseung. It may have been the most poignant moment in this show so far.

But really what was coolest was Ma-ri's little vignette later in episode 24 when she is watching her Oppa at his workplace. She has already accepted and adjusted to the new situation. With twenty-six more episodes yet to go there is obviously much more to come with her story.

Which also shows us that this drama continues to clip right along.

Jin-dan just demonstrated that he is still a first-rate cad. He had me fooled in the last episode but episode 24 proved me wrong. What an idiot and a fool as well. That boy is riding for a fall and when it happens it will truly be one hard landing.

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I'm pretty sure the "meddling aunt from hell" heard from her gossiping friend that Pil-Seung's mum was already pregnant and about to marry his dad when they were students in Boston. However, she tells Ma Ri that she did not realise she was pregnant until after he had died in a mountain accident and after she had already agreed to marry Ma Ri's dad. I am not sure if this is deliberate or just inconsistent writing. Or possibly that the gossipy ahjummas got their details wrong and embellished the story.

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It is unlikely that this is just inconsistent writing- I think that someone embellished the story- but we do not know whom nor do we know why.

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Ep 24: dial up the makjang! We have both hair pulling AND face punching in one episode. Recap: Pil-Seung (❤) 2; Jin-Dan (☠) 0.

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It's clear that Pil Seung does not want to have the same regrets this time around and is doing things differently. Standing up to his mum and grandma, believing in Ji-Yeong and staying by her side.

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But when Do-ra gets her memories back it will be one tough moment when she remembers the time when he did not do that.

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Yup, that's definitely coming. How she will react is anyone's guess. I actually honestly can't predict.

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It is not just that it was immensely satisfying to see Jin-dan punched out- but that he had it coming and literally needs to learn that lesson for his own sake. If he was smart, he would actually thank Pilseung for setting him straight. But he is actually quite stupid and refuses to learn. Both of our villains, male and female, refuse to learn anything. It is the one frustrating element in this show.

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I'm going to go for some bold predictions again. Seeing as this is a family drama, I predict that her mum will somehow (I don't know how!) redeem herself but Jin Dan will be in for a major downfall by the end.

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I’d like to see a downfall for Pil-seung’s grandma too. But I don’t know what form that would take. Even when she gets called out for her behavior — like inducing Ma-ri to go to his workplace with the chickens — she doubles down on her self-righteousness and doesn’t face any consequences. The way she calls Ji-young/Dora a gold-digger?! Hah! Projecting much?

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I dislike her soooo much (the grandma) because she doesn't have anything of her own to offer!!! At least Do-ra's mom does make an effort--they're villainous efforts, but it's more than just sitting on your derriere in your daughter-in-law's house having your daughter-in-law cook for you while you complain about how everyone is behaving!!

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GAH. I want the reverse so badly. I know you're more likely to be right, though, @al118.

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Grandma is so annoying because she always thinks the worst of everybody. Myeong Dong must have some internal grit to stick to her dream of writing while enduring 10 years of nagging and harsh criticism from her.

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#25: The “Lovely Runner” got name checked in B&MR! That’s a hilarious meta moment.

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Ep. 25:
- scene where I found the collected antique childhood toys
- I loved the scene of FL doing the changing-fashion makeover scene of a fashion store. That fashion store looked beautiful.
- Wow! I found the heart-shaped padlock!
- I don't believe that there was a entertainment agency Gogo Entertainment and I probably knew that the name Gogo was a dance that originated from 1960s. I hope that FL/Im Soo-hyang will not dance the gogo with the gogo boots since this weekender was now lived in modern era. Go-go dancing became one of the old-time dances.
-Not only all of female catfights and even hair-pulling just like from this weekender, all of the past weekenders and even Korean daily dramas, there was male dogfights or male bawls. So I loved the male dogfight/brawl near the mens restroom and this scene made me kind of fun.
Ep. 26:
- I found the logo of real Korean brand Dualsonic. Did this weekend sponsored Dualsonic?
- That ornaments during the shaman scene looked elegant.
- There was the scene at the cafe of KMS building, one of the villainess took revenge to look at the back of FL/Im Soo-hyang. Is there any burns or just an insect bites at FL's back?

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Well, I'd say we're starting Chapter Four, then, huh? Pil-seung now has a high-flying job courtesy of his genetic mother and we'll see how that all goes--I suspect his aunt's screenwriting talents will probably be coming to GoGo Entertainment at some point as well.

Ji-young is now officially an actress and has moved out of Pil-seung's family home, and Do-ra's mom (pretty much) knows that Ji-young is Do-ra now. Let the reveals begin!

Ma-ri also seems to be more central to more of the plotlines--for example, accepting Pil-seung and Ji-young--and she sure is dogged. I was very excited to see her eating pasta with Do-jun. More Do-jun, plz.

I did think these episodes dragged a bit, but I'm going to hold out hope that this was because of the transition to the new plotlines. It also seems a bit like they've "lost the plot" on Jin-dan, unfortunately. I hope they turn his narrative into something interesting and coherent STAT!

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They did drag and had far too much of the screeching and vile characters. The actor playing Mari has become a highlight for me though. She is very good. I also wish there were more of Dojun and scenes of them interacting.
When Dora reemerges, she is likely to be re-traumatised on multiple fronts. I hope she will get good psychiatric help/care but I doubt it. More screeching and vileness are in all our futures. Sigh.

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Even the men were shouting a lot this week!!! 😅🤣🤨

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Mari is in some ways a moral compass for the show. If she thinks you're a good person, she'll treat you well. If her oppa likes Ji-young, then Mari does too -- and she doesn't care about whether she's a "country bumpkin" -- unlike basically every other adult in both families.

Yes -- we definitely need more of her and Dojun, two sweet souls, to balance out the screechers. I like that he opened up to her about the loss of Dora. You could see the sympathy in her eyes -- especially in light of how she treasures her new relationship with PIl-seung. I wouldn't be surprised to see her now actively thinking of ways to cheer up Dojun, which hopefully will bring them closer together.

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I would like to learn more about Do-jun, for sure, and I think Ma-ri would engage with him differently than with others, so we might also learn more about her inner thoughts as well! Win-win.

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Let us hope that the actor playing Do-jun now has freed up enough time from his other dramas to do justice to this one. We really do need more Do-jun with Ma-ri.

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Too much screeching for me this week. I was back to the FF button. Let's hope things are more balanced and at a faster pace next week.

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Jin-dan's character is too similar to that of Do-ra's mom- but for a while his impulsiveness was kept somewhat under control by his older brother and his mom. Unfortunately, giving him control of Angel Investments liberated him, which is a bad thing for everyone including, in the long run, himself. His aunt has already recognized this. I think that the self-destruction of Jin-dan was intended from the beginning of the drama. Both he and Dora's mom are like figures in a Shakespearean tragedy- doomed by their own characters.
I think that the plot is right on course for Jin-dan.

Ma-ri has indeed become much more central to the story- not just a moral compass but ultimately one of the people who determine much of the outcome of the tale. Which is a good thing because our child-like Ma-ri is often the most adult person in the room.

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Are you pushing back on my characterization of Jin-dan? I'm confused.

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Not meant as push back as such. I was just pointing out that, if anything, Jin-dan's character and path are almost too consistent which is really unfortunate. He has become almost two dimensional. The writer had me confused about this character a couple of episodes back- and even in these episodes we see him trying to convince himself to take a different path- but then he gives in to his obsession and simply acts on impulse. So, the result is we see someone who is not just unwilling to learn from his past but unable to do so at all. So, what seemed incoherent in the end was not- our character's character is his destiny and ultimately his doom.
But, of course, that does not mean that things cannot take confusing turns with Jin-dan's journey- I know that I have at times been at least as confused about him as anyone and maybe more so than most.

Perhaps I would have been less confused if we had been more exposed to him in the beginning.

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Well, as so often happens with us, I disagree! 😂 I think that the writer has been really sloppy with her characterization Jin-dan--or at least has made him seem very flip-floppy--which is something I think you also see, given what you said above. It's not that he's one- or two-dimensional, it's that he's inconsistent.

What does he actually WANT? WHY was he so interested in Do-ra (just because she was hot)? Similarly, why Ji-young (just because she reminds him of Do-ra)? Does he want to be rich? Does he want to play the field? WHY was he so un-interested in his fiancée?

Does he just want to be a free boy, able to do whatever he wants?

I no longer see much of a redemption arc for him, but I would like to see him consolidate around his own motivations for doing things--unless, of course, that's the point...hmm. Why do men do the things they do??? 😆

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Now that you have pointed it out, I think you are right about the flip-floppiness of Jin-dan. I know that has certainly confused me, just as you say.

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Episodes 25 and 26 mark the midpoint of this show.

Ma-ri has figured out a way to have an older brother without upsetting the applecart: She tells Pil-seung’s family that she wants to treat Pil-seung ‘like an older brother’. She has a flair for the ironic and when her mom tells her that Ma-ri is a thousand times smarter than she is I have to admit that at least in some ways she might actually be right.

However, if Ma-ri is going to intervene in a fight to protect her Oppa she really needs to at least take boxing lessons first- or better yet learn Mixed Martial Arts. Clearly her parents have neglected important parts of her education.

Meanwhile Jin-dan and Do-ra’s mom seem fundamentally unchanged- neither has learned a thing. I do not see how a redemption arc is really possible for either one given their basic characters. Jin-dan should have focused on the beautiful, desirable and rich Tae-hee instead of Ji-young but ended up utterly losing control: This boy is just “too stupid to live” (to quote my Contracts Professor). Now he can kiss Tae-hee good bye (figuratively- no way Tae-hee is actually going to touch him in any way). Both of our villains share the same faults: Impulsiveness and anger management issues. WE may have seen the beginning of the Decline and Fall of Jin-dan.

But my special disgust in episode 26 was reserved for Pil-seung’s grandmother- she stepped so far over the line that I really think that Pilseung should just disown her outright. A nasty person who always speak badly of others- unfortunately we have all met someone like that.

I know that she was being paid but the shaman spilling the beans about Do-ra being alive to Do-ra’s mom: Even if it was highly professional, how unfortunate.

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I actually had to FF everytime his grandma opened her mouth this week. It's okay to have villains, but ones that are so annoying to the point that your audience can't watch is rather self defeating for a drama.

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I agree that she's horrible--in fact, she's completely devoid of positive personality traits and an internal drive to do anything constructive at all.

But insofar as that's the case, I've been interested to see when her daughter-in-law agrees with her and where she doesn't. I've been taking her as the standard-bearer of traditional family values (rigid and unyielding) and then seeing how everyone else does-or-does-not agree with her.

That said, because I know what she's always gonna say. I also FF SO FAST past what she says. Makes me furious.

That said, as @leetennant pointed out in her post yesterday, there's also a parallel rigid-Confucian-family-values-pair in the rigid aunt and mistress-head-of-household in Ma-ri's family.

THAT said, maybe one could consider this drama as the contrast between "Pil-seung's" family and "Ma-ri's" family... Huh. I'll think more about that.

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I need to get better at using the FF button.

I had not thought about the contrast between Pil-seung's family and Ma-ri's family. That rigid aunt is not going to be happy about the truth of Pil-seungs birth.

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DIL needs to take her disagreement with MIL beyond twisting her mouth into a pained expression. That’s never going to change the dynamic of the household.

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In a properly Confucian household, it is not the DIL's place to do that. It is her husband who has abandoned his responsibilities and completely failed in his duties as the man of the house. Her son should long ago have set his mother straight. Filial piety is not the only Confucian virtue. A Virtuous and Righteous man is required to exercise his authority as Head of The Family even to the point of disciplining his own mother when she is clearly so very far out of line. It is not his wife's place to do this instead.

It is Pilseung's father who needs to grow a backbone and really stand up to his mother.

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I am really enjoying the thought of Ji-young coming to terms with being Do-ra without getting her memory back. But also...Boy! You can just walk into the "Korean Genetics Analysis Center" and get a test done on anyone, anytime without their permission or knowledge, can't ya?

I'm in love with a drunk-tantrumming Jin-dan because I have a very selective memory. Also, he's not a real person. Also, that both Most Hated Granny is "encouraging" Ji-young to marry/date Jin-dan and even Jin-dan's hyung is all "why don't you just pick a woman and date her--even if it's Ji-young," is deliciously cyclical of the writer.

Lastly, anyone else shout "DO-JUN!!" at the screen when he showed up? Ma-ri's totally gonna spill the beans to him.

PS: Don't believe a word your mother says, Do-ra. Not...one...word. I don't even believe she feels a single ounce of responsibility for anyone but herself.

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Me, me!
Your “ps” should’ve travelled across time, space and importantly, reality and gotten to Dora.

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Actually, Do-ra's mom does not even feel a sense of responsibility for herself. Is she greedy and selfish? Absolutely- but there is no sense or idea that she has any part in what happens to her- she is the eternal helpless victim and that is why she is so dangerous because that fixed idea is her justification for anything she says or action that she takes.

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"Actually?" This is a weekender.

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I do not know what Korean law says about consent for DNA testing, but it seems to happen in about every third or fourth Kdrama without someone consenting, so I just accept it. And the second test was with Do-ra's consent and cooperation so that one was not problematic. However, no lab would be able to deliver results that fast as DNA analysis is a multi-step process which involves preparation of the sample, the actual microscope scanning of that sample followed by a computer driven examination of the scan. It may no longer take days, but it certainly takes at least a few hours even if it is a rush priority- which generally would be only if the police needed the results ASAP. Also just plucking the hair is no good unless you get the follicle because the actual strand of hair has no DNA- only the cells in the follicle which grew that strand have the DNA (which is why the hair on the hairbrush or comb idea doesn't work- that is hair which has broken off). The toothbrush idea does work because it most likely has epithelial cells from the cheeks- which is the most common source of material for DNA testing (when it is consensual you see the people taking a cheek swab- and yes that is how DNA testing samples are normally taken). However, even with that toothbrush some poor lab tech is likely going to have to take many hours to find those cells which might have been damaged by the toothpaste.

I was delighted to see Do-jun appear- and now we know that he was studying Architecture before his education was interrupted.

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Actually, I have to correct what I just said about the DNA testing process. Electron microscopes are not (generally) used but instead a process of filtration (isolation of the 'correct' cells as opposed to say bacteria), amplification (the DNA is literally multiplied many times over) followed by electrophoresis is used instead- and this takes anywhere from three to 12 weeks to work (now I know why it took so long....). And the problems of possible contamination of the sample are very real.

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Current Korean law requires written consent of person whose DNA is being tested with a few criminal exceptions for identification purposes and for court ordered paternity testing.

Direct-to-consumer genetic testing (DTC-GT) provides a means for consumers to gain insights into their genetic background and how it relates to their health without the involvement of medical institutions. In Korea, DTC-GT was introduced in 2016 in accordance with the legislation on Paragraph (3) 2 of Article 50 of the Bioethics and Safety Act. Only 12 genetic test items involving 46 genes were approved at first, but the approved items were expanded to 70 in November 2020. However, the genetic test items of DTC-GT services in Korea are still restricted to the wellness area.
There is no exception for ancestry DNA testing.

As of January, 2020 the Ministry of Health and Welfare, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and the Korean National Police Agency will provide services to collect and register the DNA of overseas Korean adoptees, who do not have identifying birth parent information through 34 Korean Embassies(Consulates) in adoptive countries. Collected DNA data will be registered to the Korean police agency's missing children database.

It is clear that k-drama non-consensual DNA testing is a terrible fiction.

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Thank you for that. Not only can you not get results while you wait but the lab should legally turn you down.

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I thought the same about the DNA test. A lot of shows make it look like whoever wants can test anything.

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Episode 27 does effectively commence a fourth chapter, but this time without a time skip.

What sort of mother deliberately feeds her (possible) child something that she is allergic to? I actually know of someone who lost a child to a nut allergy- it was incredibly tragic.

Do-jun is back- and apparently was studying Architecture before he had to stop. But what startled me was the scene when Ma-ri came in to tell him about Pil-seung’s prize. For the first time she was not dressed like a little girl but rather as a woman- in attire that actually flatters her figure- and her hair was also less childlike. We got to see her as what she really is: A very pretty woman. Who had the good sense to call her dad when her uncle showed up drunk at Pil-seung’s house. She may act childlike, but she is actually a very grounded person, unlike her uncle and many other of the adults in this drama. Is the writer signaling the possibility of a romance for Ma-ri? Do-jun’s physique has already elicited at least one “Daebak” from her so I have to think that the possibility is being raised.

In any case Ma-ri continues to be one of active participants in this story- one who moves it along even if she is not a central character.

How tragic for Do-ra to find out that her Grandma was not her grandma- and that she is in fact genetically related to ‘That Crazy Lady’. Who is fully back to being her sociopathic manipulative self. And Do-ra is back living with her? It made my stomach churn to see that.

In any case the story has definitely picked up speed again. And now I am waiting for Pilseung’s response to Do-ra.

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Episode 28 was painful. Do-ra broke up with Pilseung because he knew who she was and did not tell her- and now she has fallen into her mom’s clutches again. At this point it is now unfortunate that she does not have her memories back. Do-jun has been told. But the wider truth of Pilseung’s birth may have just slipped out from the mouth of his birth mother- and not from Ma-ri- who reacted faster than anyone else when that wall fell on her mom and her brother.
I think that it is an interesting parallel between Mari and Dora that both of them have suffered traumatic brain damage. Yet we see Dora as operating normally but are surprised when it is Mari who is doing or saying the right thing before anyone else does. Both of them have difficulties because of the trauma but the reality is that as a practical matter at least at this moment Do-ra’s amnesia is ‘handicapping’ her far more than any limitation that Ma-ri has.
Meanwhile Jin-dan has momentarily talked Tae-hee back into the engagement and a family meeting is planned. But now he has been informed that our ML and FL have broken up. We are still in the ‘Decline’ part of the story of the Decline and Fall of Jin-dan. I expect to see this situation blow up soon.

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I have to say I’m disappointed in Dooshik;s character being so unseleas as despite his tears and declarations, he is still enabling that predator Mija from exploiting him and much more significantly, from once again ensnaring Dora. This is one example of how toxic the concept of filial piety can become when it is weaponised by a merciless predator like Mija. I also think it should be regarded as child abuse to ask a young teenager to look after their family. I know dying declarations are exceptions to hearsay evidence in many common law jurisdictions but they should not be regarded as sacrosanct otherwise. That extracted promise blighted Dora’s life and is likely to endanger her health and safety once again.

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Is Do Jun the key here to making Ji Yeong aware that her mother used her as a cash machine and will do so again? She will not believe Pil Seung, but surely she will believe Do Jun? I, too, am extremely disappointed in Do Shik.

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You are probably right. But probably not before real damage is done.

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I hope that’s what happens — and quickly too. At this point he might be the only person who can protect Dora from her predatory mother. He and Mari need to be her guardian angels until her memory returns. They just might have the strength of character to do it.

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I agree that it will take both of them- and they will draw closer together if they do- it might actually be part of what turns them into real life partners. Mari is already impressed with Do-jun and now Do-jun may get to discover that Ma-ri is tougher than she looks- and has a very solid moral compass- in short has character. Once Do-jun actually respects Mari, seeing beyond the childlike affect- the rest will follow like night and day. But it will probably take having her help in all of this to get him to see her that way. This is actually a very logical role for the two of them.

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I want to add something else her- while most of the heavy lifting in protecting Do-ra must fall on Do-jun's shoulders- with Mari's help, the reverse is true when it comes to dealing with Jin-dan because in that household Do-jun is essentially a servant. It is actually Ma-ri who has to take the lead in dealing with her uncle. It is good that she has Do-jun there because while her instincts are spot on and her moral compass absolutely true she needs help when it comes to making good choices.

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That deathbed declaration by her dad has indeed blighted Do-ra's life and I do not think that Do-ra was yet even a teenager when he laid it on her. This is what I meant when I said that at this moment Do-ra's amnesia is a bigger problem for her than Mari's brain trauma is for Mari. For two years amnesia was a blessing to Do-ra and now it has become a problem.

The real problem here is filial piety, just as you said.

Do-shik is indeed useless. I noticed that in these episodes we saw almost no scenes of Do-shik and Myung-dong while early in episode 27 we saw Mari now being shown as a pretty woman rather than a childish figure when she bragged to Do-jun about Pilseung's award. She was effectively put on display there. (That vignette starts at about 9:40 and lasts over a minute and a half- go look and you will see what I mean) As you know adjustments are made at the midpoint of a weekender- and the writer has been informed that the viewers really like both Do-jun and Mari- and have the same impression as we do of Do-shik (and maybe want to save Myung-dong from being saddled with this useless idiot). It may be that a decision has been made to make to make Do-jun and Mari the main secondary romance- which would be lovely.

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I was frustrated with Myung-dong when she parroted her mother’s criticism of Dora/Ji-yeong to Do-shik. So disappointing that she has a long way to go/grow too, in that her first response to any pushback from him was not “What’s wrong with what I said? Maybe my mom isn’t the font of wisdom” and always “What’s wrong with him for not agreeing with me?” 😖

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I do hope MaRi an Do Jun become the secondary couple as at this rate, they are the most likable and principled characters on the show.

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We still do not know that it will happen but that possibility has definitely been raised.

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Goodness me, I did not bank on DoRa realising she is DoRa without first regaining her memories, and thus being manipulated all over again. Not a good development in my books, and certainly not for my enjoyment of the show. The FF button was heavily deployed in Ep 27.

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While I did not use the FF button heavily, I did use it some in these episodes.

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Some amnesia victims never regain their memories. One such real life story was the inspiration for a lovely movie entitled THE VOW starring Rachel McAdam.

It was an unexpected curve ball for me as well.

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I am dropping. I just can't watch the FL to suffer second time around.

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I have a different perspective: While I dislike Do-ra suffering again I also see this as the situation where both Jin-dun and her mom are being set up for destruction. She will suffer first but, in the end, they will suffer far more as Karma catches up to both of them. Both are walking into traps that they have constructed for themselves although at this point that is far easier to see with Jin-dan than her evil mother.

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You are most likely right. It just reached to the point I can no longer stomach. I will read your comments and see if I can return safely :).

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But I actually agree with you emotionally: I do not want her suffering again either. For two years her amnesia was a true blessing to her- giving her a new and better life. Seeing that destroyed will be very painful.

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I have not been invested this show because my KBS America channel is several weeks behind in airing episodes, if at all (it has been showing random Golden Cross episodes for no apparent reason) and the fact I quickly grew tired of the repetitive screeching evil of several characters. I think I have seen episode 24(?) but I have been reading some of the hang-out posts, I agree that this is better than the last two weekender clunkers but it is not great.

The real issue I have is I would call nothing in BAMR “romantic.” ML and 2ML are not romantic toward FL but “possessive.” Mari’s dating attempts at ML were “obsessive.” ML aunt’s dating was “pitiful desperation.” Maybe Mari will be the only one to have a real romantic suitor.

I also take issue with ML hiding Dora’s reality from her when she has amnesia. It was not really helping Dora (medical counseling and memory recovery would) but more of a means to for him to mold her into what he wants from her.

The series may be a stealth promotion of class separation. 2ML slumming it with country bumpkin = not good; he has a suitable partner in his own social status. ML’s middle class family takes strong issue with ML dating the same poor country girl. All of the families are so rigid in their ways there is no hope for character development or change. Watching that is like starting to eat a bucket of burnt popcorn but continuing to the bottom thinking it would get better.

I believe the foundational reality of current Korean cancel culture would make it impossible for Dora to return from the dead after her previous scandals (and the new one that she was “hiding” from her creditors with “fake” amnesia.) I cannot suspend belief that this reality will be abrogated for a forced happy ending.

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Hopefully Do-ra will find a good lawyer.

Exposing and criticizing class barriers in Korean society is almost a K-drama tradition in itself- in that sense this weekender is nothing new.

I am not disagreeing with you about the actual 'romances' as they stand at this time. But the title of this show is not "Romancing the Beauty" it is BEAUTY AND MR ROMANTIC. "Mr. Romantic" is a description of ML's character- not is actions and the fact that his tendencies could lead to inappropriate actions was established in the three episodes of the introduction to this drama which saw him in an inappropriate relationship with an older woman. Of course, the responsibility for that fell on the exploitative older woman but it also shaped our ML's character and damaged him: He did not experience a physical trauma, but he was traumatized. Our ML may have a romantic nature, but he is also a damaged person. Our writer has been diligently trying to avoid the problem of too much wallowing in misery that characterized the past two weekenders but this time in her rush to move the story along she really may have shown us too little of this side of our ML. We may just have to infer that his past explains his poor decisions.

I would note that Ma-ri seems to share some of her half-brother's tendencies. Hence the impulsive decision to sneak into his room and hide in his closet, etc.

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I agree with you regarding showing us too little of that side of the ML, plus the fact that he found out he was abandoned as a baby. Then, from his point of view, his beloved girlfriend who said they would stick by each other no matter what, berates him for not having enough money to have a say whether she poses nude or not and then dumps him for a man with more money. Then jumps into the sea. This man must be traumatised.

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I agree that he has to be traumatized at this point and this actually is the psychological reason behind his not revealing Do-ra's past to her once he figured it out.

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Anyone else note with glee two BMR tropes that were (I'd like to say copied) used by other dramas this week?

In Freaking Fairy Tale our OTP chirped at one another like little birdies as their pet name...

And, in Miss Night and Day...there's a suspicious ankle scar that she calls her "tattoo" that's gonna be a dead giveaway for our leading lady/ladies...

I am of course, joking, about the "copying."

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Just hopping on here to join the conversation 👋

Imagine how easy Do-ra’s life would be if there wasn’t such strong social stigma about the kind of “classy” work lead actresses are “supposed” to do lol. I mean, everyone falls on hard times & there’s worse things to do to earn money. In that odd sense, though Mi-ja is an idiot for going against the contract behind everyone’s back, I think her financial desperation is a lot more understandable than Soo-yeon’s snobbery. Mostly though, I just want Do-ra to be happy and free 😭

I hope ep 30 brings better things

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Hi, @worldsmitten! Welcome to the DB comment section!!

It would be amazing for Soo-yeon to somehow end up less principled than Mi-ja... What exactly does it mean to protect your child when you've given them over?? One did that by abandoning them...the other did that by utterly using them to her own ends.

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I really and truly loath Pilseung’s grandmother. This character is so prominent in the drama and it makes me think that this was done to lock up the two viewing demographics at the same time: both those who approve of this character and those who hate it but the latter including us are suffering. I have to say thought that the actor is fully committed to the role!

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There was a brief moment where I thought she was finally showing her kind side: when she made porridge for her daughter-in-law and genuinely seemed to care for her when she was ill with shock. But then she opened her mouth to start shouting, judging, criticising etc. etc. again and POOF, all that went up in smoke!

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As near as I can tell once she broadcast Pilseung's birth secret any dramatic purpose for her character was over. I am hoping for a quick funeral. I cannot understand any viewing demographic who would want to see this spiteful old witch. I have been using the FF on her scenes whenever possible.

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I miss when this drama was about Do-ra. I wouldn't have stuck around this long if Im Soo-hyang didn't do such a good job making you care for her. Pil-seung's family are just such a drain, though i guess its realistic that the middle class homeowners are also the most vicious snobs in the story. Now that we've got the birth secret out, fingers crossed the story will go back to Do-ra cos I really don't care about anyone else 😭 (except Ma-ri and Do-jun).

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P.S.: we have accidentally moved on to the ep 31-40 page to continue the discussion even though it's not ep 31 yet: https://www.dramabeans.com/2024/06/beauty-and-mr-romantic-episodes-31-40-drama-hangout/

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Mea culpa!

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OOPs. Me too.

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I miss when this drama was about any thing except two hair-pulling women who don't seem able to stay apart despite every reason to do so!! After the first fight...if you need to speak, Ladies, the gods gave us cellular telephones to keep our distance 🤣!!!

I was also thrilled when Pil-seung learned the truth at the last second. Please drama gods don't make the rest of the people in that living room start lying and make excuses about who "Lady Jang" is...so that it is not Soo-yeon!!!

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Yes- more Do-ra, Mari and Do-jun please.

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