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Queen of Tears: Episodes 1-2

After an almost two-year period between its announcement and premiere, the drama of the year is upon us! Queen of Tears hits us with tropes, meta, humor, and wistfulness, as its lead couple begins an uncertain journey toward reigniting their burnt out romance.

 
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I apologize in advance for the person I’m going to be throughout this drama’s run. My oppa is back in dramaland, he’s in his suit era, and his forehead appears a lot more times than it did in his last few roles. I’m living in my answered prayers, y’all! There’s no way I can be normal about this.

For a drama about what happens after happily ever after, it’s only fitting that we begin at the beginning of happily ever after: the wedding of the century between our salaryman hero, BAEK HYUN-WOO (the amazing Kim Soo-hyun), and chaebol heiress, HONG HAE-IN (Kim Ji-won). *Wipes happy tears from my seat in the audience — and then swoons and almost dies from the sweetness of their honeymoon montage.* Seriously, we had a dozen different kisses in less than six seconds! And as for the dreamy “how they met” story, we got a full rom-com plot within a few minutes.

They met back when Hae-in was an intern at her family-owned Queens department store — as in the usual chaebol rite of passage before ascending the throne. She had a problem with the copier and Hyun-woo appeared as a knight in rolled-up sleeves to fix it. A series of weaponized copier incompetence later, and Hyun-woo fell for Hae-in. Things were good between them until Hyun-woo found out that Hae-in is not just the queen of his heart — she’s the queen of Queens! Noble idiocy followed with him resigning and ghosting her, and they eventually had a last minute reunion after she went to fetch him from his hometown with a helicopter. Cue: their marriage, and the end credits of our trope reversal rom-com.

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When we meet Mr. and Mrs. Hong Hae-in three years later (our current timeline), their relationship has soured. I mean, constant digs at each other and sleeping in different rooms kinda sour. But to quell Hyun-woo’s gold-digging rumors, Hyun-woo and Hae-in keep up the happily married act with tell-all interviews — where Hae-in chops apples like she’s chopping gossipy netizens’ fingers. Our ice queen is so unnerving! Then again, oppa likes his women a little feisty.

Starting from the “how we met” story to their current soured romance, it has always been a he-said-she-said retelling when it comes to Hyun-woo and Hae-in’s relationship. From Hyun-woo’s point of view, he might have become the legal director of Queens’ Group, but his opinion does not count at work. It’s the same story at home with his in-laws. He has the thankless job of cleaning up after the Hong family’s mess, they dictate every aspect of his life — and worse, he feels that Hae-in doesn’t care about how her family treats him.

Hyun-woo has always been the expressive one in the relationship, so he’s vocal about his pain and frustration with Hae-in. You can almost see the “save me” plea written with neon lights on his forehead. Frustration leads to drinking, and drinking leads to Hyun-woo doing what Kim Soo-hyun does best: crying. He is really the funniest and most adorable drunk ever! This entire drunken sequence was funny, and the appearance of the actors who played Yoon Se-ri’s assistant and insurance agent in Crash Landing on You as Queens Group’s scandal prevention team made it all the more hilarious. (Random fun reminder: Se-ri’s father’s company was also named Queens Group.)

Hae-in’s father lives by the mantra: “Never bid farewell to those who abandon you. You should stab them in the back,” and this is the singular reason Hyun-woo hasn’t filed for a divorce. He is not ready to get stabbed in the back by his father-in-law, and I just about died of laughter when he shuffled out of Daddy Hong’s office backwards. Three suffocating years of living with three generations of the Hongs and their other extended family members eventually makes Hyun-woo seek out a psychiatrist (cameo by Oh Jung-sae for a Tae brothers’ reunion). Hyun-woo is diagnosed with extreme stress levels, and the only solution is for him to get a divorce. (I’d have recommended the Queen of Divorce team to him, but those guys are terrible at their job.)

For a breather, Hyun-woo dips out of an appointment with Hae-in to visit his hometown. The Queens may rule Seoul, but in Yongdu-ri, Hyun-woo’s family and their 35 cows are kings. In contrast to the cold and gloomy atmosphere at Queensville, there’s so much warmth and vibrancy in the Baek family house — and I’m not just talking about the difference in color palettes between both locations. Hyun-woo is in the most relaxed state we’ve seen him in, and with the way he wolfs down his lunch, you’ll think he was starving at the Hongs’.

Hyun-woo’s family scolds him for being absent at Daddy Baek’s 60th birthday — because he and the other male in-laws were on kitchen duty at Grandpa Hong’s late wife’s memorial service on that same day. But the scolding ends when Hyun-woo drops the divorce bomb on them. His mom is all for her son’s happiness, but his dad and siblings try to talk him out of it — especially his siblings because of the financial benefits they get from his marriage. And at this point, I am thoroughly exhausted on Hyun-woo’s behalf. Let this man breathe!

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Hyun-woo returns home to serve Hae-in with the divorce papers, but she beats him to the surprise punch. She’s dying! What? Apparently, Hae-in has been experiencing headaches and memory lapses for a while, and a visit to the doctor — the appointment Hyun-woo brushed off — confirmed her condition: Cloud Cytoma, a rare form of brain tumor. Progressed symptoms of the condition include hallucinations or personality disorders, and to top it all, there’s no cure. Hae-in already experiences hallucinations, and the doctor estimates that she has three months left. Just like that! Oh, Park Ji-eun writer-nim, I did not sign up for terminal illness.

We’re dipping into Hae-in’s point of view now, and things are beginning to make sense. At an earlier appointment, Hyun-woo thought Hae-in stood him up on purpose. But it turns out that she had one of her memory lapses and she forgot! When she eventually showed up, he had already left. Hae-in might put up an icy exterior, but underneath all of that is a woman who still cares about her husband. She is not as warm and as expressive as Hyun-woo is, so she may not stand up for him — in his presence — in front of her family. But she’ll go behind his back to beat up her younger brother, HONG SOO-CHEOL (Kwak Dong-yeon), for disrespecting her husband. She will stop her mom from barging into Hyun-woo’s office to scold him, and she sure as hell won’t sit back and listen to her business rival chatting shit about her man.

Hyun-woo feels isolated — and rightly so — in the midst of the Hongs, but in a way, Hae-in feels the same way. She’s just better at hiding her emotions because she grew up in the family and she’s used to them. From bits and pieces of the conversations at home, it seems like Hae-in lost a sibling, and her mom blames her for it. This incident is probably tied up in the trauma that manifests in Hae-in’s hallucinations. Hae-in is dealing with so much internally, and it’s quite depressing that she can’t confide in her family because they have a business relationship. She’s dying, but all she can think about is hiding her diagnosis from her family because she’s convinced that they will kick her out and fight over her assets while she’s still alive. Sigh. Like her husband, my good sis also has the “save me” plea written on her forehead — but with a pencil.

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Hyun-woo is shocked to hear that Hae-in is dying, but his primary emotion is joy because he just needs to hold out for three months, and then he can be free from the marriage without the hassle of a divorce. Oh no! Unfortunately, you can never make me hate this man, so I find Hyun-woo’s attempts to fake sadness and concern for Hae-in amusing — even though he’s so wrong for this. But I can most definitely give his best friend and drinking buddy, KIM YANG-GI (Moon Tae-yoo), the side eye for advising Hyun-woo to use the three months to win Hae-in over so that she can include him in her will. This is emotional manipulation at its finest! What is Hyun-woo even thinking? Shouldn’t he know better than to divulge Hae-in’s diagnosis to someone else after she specifically warned him to keep it to himself? Tsk.

It’s ironic how Hyun-woo spent his entire marriage having to prove that he is not a golddigger, but now that the end is in sight, he has decided to wear that gold-digging cloak. Hyun-woo enters his loving husband era — and while his actions amuse me, it’s also sad because he’s doing all of this for the wrong reasons. Hae-in is totally uncomfortable with her husband’s sudden attention, and she tells him to just act like he always has. By the way, elevators might just be BaekHong’s special place because that’s where Hae-in reveals the cracks in her walls and subtly conveys her hurt and resentment for Hyun-woo.

Hae-in suspects that Hyun-woo has an ulterior motive for his sudden change in attitude, but when she discovers that he has been secretly looking into how long terminal patients can live past their given date of death — for selfish reasons, of course — she’s touched by his concern. “Don’t worry. I’m not going to die that easily for your sake,” she assures him. This sounds like a threat to Hyun-woo, and it sucks because Hae-in is actually feeling hopeful for the first time since her diagnosis thanks to his faux concern.

To further complicate BaekHong’s romance — or what is left of it — hotshot investor, YOON EUN-SEONG (Park Sung-hoon), returns to Korea. Eun-seong is Hae-in’s ex, and he’s the key to launching the luxury brand that she wants to bring to Queens department store. For someone who supposedly no longer loves his wife, Hyun-woo feels totally uneasy with Eun-seong’s reappearance in Hae-in’s life. It doesn’t even help that Eun-seong is invited to the Hong family’s hunt, and he fits right in with them — in a way that Hyun-woo has never done. If jealousy is one of the tools this drama wants to use to wake Hyun-woo up to the realization that he still loves Hae-in, it seems to be working.

Everyone disperses to their assigned corner of the grounds to secure their prey, and Hyun-woo and Hae-in go their separate ways as well. Unfortunately, Hae-in gets stuck in another hallucination episode — right as a wild boar charges at her in what seems to be a premeditated incident. *Gasp!* Proving that he will never stop being Hae-in’s white knight, Hyun-woo appears at the nick of time to gun down the boar before it attacks his wife — and this marks his first ever kill on a hunting trip with the Hongs! Hae-in’s hallucination fades as she stares at her husband in shock/relief/admiration? And with this, we come to the end of our premiere week.

Wow! This was one long ass set of episodes. I will never say no to extra extra Kim Soo-hyun minutes, but it was a wise choice to not watch both episodes at a stretch. I know this production has cast half the K-drama industry to bring in the drama, but my first thought when I saw the second episode’s runtime was: I hope these guys have enough story to fill up the rest of the episodes. That said, I absolutely loved the Queen of Tears premiere! The premise is interesting, and so far, the execution has been fun — but not too fun that we forget that we’re dealing with a couple in crisis.

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I find the show’s use of the point of view storytelling fascinating, and I think it’s one of the things that’ll pull me back when I’m tempted to lean into team Hyun-woo or team Hae-in. The whole point is to not take sides, because both their feelings are valid and they seem to be jointly responsible for the breakdown of their relationship. Watching the epilogues and seeing how confident Hyun-woo and Hae-in were about their love makes me wonder at what point — and why — everything began to go wrong.

In this miscommunication sandwich that the drama has prepared for BaekHong, it feels like they are both operating under assumptions about each other, and being influenced by external forces. Hyun-woo and Hae-in are too wrapped up in their individual struggles that they fail to see that the other person is struggling, too. This is why couples are encouraged to pursue healthy communication and take each other’s feelings into consideration. But K-drama couples would rather convulse and die than do so. Speaking of which, I am a big non-fan of the terminal illness trope. There’s 1001 ways to go about mending a broken relationship without involving terminal illness or impending death. But oh well.

Hyun-woo and Hae-in have pulled me in with the subtlety of their gestures, their vulnerability and emotional turmoil, and those little moments where the feelings they still have for each other resurface. I’m heavily invested in these two, and if the title is anything to go by, we’re in for a hilarious but also emotional ride with BaekHong. Officially, I’ll be tuning in each week to see how the rediscovery of their romance pans out. But unofficially, I’m here for my weekly dose of oppa, Hae-in’s outfits, and the meta of cameos, reunions, and dramaverse crossovers.

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OK, I kept crying until the end of the show...

I loved all the cast, the crew, all of the scenes and even the 10 kiss scenes, OMG! I hope this show won't disappointed me.

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I am sold! The drama has managed to balance the fun, the seriousness and the sadness into two episodes. I am glad that the cast are more established and the disease part is revealed early in the drama, instead of waiting for later...

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I thought I will never be able to watch a good romcom this year. But boy, I am wrong....thank god the writer still has what it takes to produce another heart-fluttering romcoms that I will remember for ages.

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@unit Yaay! That was a hilarious recap befitting this fun drama. Your fan level is contagious and I love all the references to different shows!

As far as for me, I had a jolly good time with the premiere episodes. Among all the chaebol shows, this one had the most LOL moments because of the mockery on patriarchy. If people are worrird or disgusted by this kind of humour, they should talk to women in asian countries that are largely conservative and patriarchial socities. All the characters in the FL's family are exaggerated to ridicule power and money like the panic attacks experienced by Soo Cheol for wasting one million won🤣🤣🤣

I have watched only 1 show of Kim Ji Won and was never her fan, but she simply outshined everyone here by playing a detached character with a cool aura around her. Hae In was rude to her husband when asking to evict less profitable shops from the mall, but she is a business women first and foremost, so I do not see her actions to be as psychopathic as the FL from "It's Okay To Be Not Okay". I guess, she excepted Hyun Woo to be her safe spot, but both have failed in their respective roles as spouse, but I am leaning more towards misunderstanding on Hyun Woo's side because he seems to be a character who acts on assumptio. Case in point was the start of their love story where he thought she was a poor intern.

I also feel they are playing with male ego because Hae In's grandpa got outsmarted by his girlfriend during the game and Hyun Woo mentioned he expected to marry a working woman, but he can settle for the useless and poor intern.

Surprise me in a good way, show!

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I must say emsel, Unit’s recap and your comment have made me look at the drama with fresh eyes. Thank you!
We’ll be there to cheer them on as they resolve their misunderstandings.

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The brother overpaid ₩8 billion ($7 million) not ₩1 million ($900). And the mother acted like that's nothing and Hyun-woo is the one at fault (for doing his job well)

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@unit Below had me going LOL. Great recap!

*Wipes happy tears from my seat in the audience — and then swoons and almost dies from the sweetness of their honeymoon montage.*

the only solution is for him to get a divorce. (I’d have recommended the Queen of Divorce team to him, but those guys are terrible at their job.)

The Queens may rule Seoul, but in Yongdu-ri, Hyun-woo’s family and their 35 cows are kings.

Sigh. Like her husband, my good sis also has the “save me” plea written on her forehead — but with a pencil.

But unofficially, I’m here for my weekly dose of oppa, Hae-in’s outfits, and the meta of cameos, reunions, and dramaverse crossovers.

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Unit’s recaps are more awesome than the drama. I hope and pray🤞 the drama lives up to the recaps’ level of awesomeness.

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Hae-in's outfits were stunning, there must be a very large budget.

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A-listers' outfits deserve nothing but a huge budget. It matches the big and expensive drama they act in.

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@Unit dear, we love you and support you and cheer you, always and forever!! No apologies required. ❤️🫰Thanks for some perfectly selected screencaps. I’m sure if you had your way the whole recap would be you (and us) squeeing over the pictures. 😊

*ahem* As per reliable sources there were 14 kisses in the honeymoon montage. We hope to “see” them all. 🫣

Haha … thanks for the CLOY reminders. There were some fun easter eggs. Just waiting for the scented candle held aloft now. 🥰

I want to know who is the psychiatrist’s wife you hung up the phone on his saranghae. 😂

I don’t know how I feel about this “dying” business and his “reaction” to it so I won’t comment on it for now. But I really appreciate your comment about not taking sides as yet and how this is a storytelling choice. This is such an amazing perspective to see the drama. That is precisely why we all love DB recaps.

Did I say this before … I love you @Unit and I wish we have a genuine super awesome drama (and Oppa) to bond over this time round! 😘

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I chanted "Divorce, divorce, divorce!" through the whole first episode. I'm on Hyun-woo's side. He is suffocating in that chaebol family. His friends and family encouraging him to stay married is no different than encouraging a domestic violence victim to stay with their abuser. Except for his mom, they don't care about his happiness or well-being at all. Therefore, I have no moral quandaries about Hyun-woo celebrating Hae-in's death, especially because he isn't after her money. This is his only way out and not end up dead at the hands of her mafia family.

Queen of Tears is an all-out black comedy. I don't see any rom or com. Nearly every character is unlikable. I don't feel sorry for Hae-in even if she loves Hyun-woo deep down or over her terminal illness, but I did feel bad about her vile mother playing favorites with her spoilt younger brother and suing her own daughter.

I love Moon Tae-yu. Yang-ki is my favorite character. I'm so glad that Hyun-woo has someone (besides psychiatrist Oh Jung-se) to confide in. I loled when Yang-ki tried to shake Hyun-woo's hand to congratulate him. I burst out laughing every time our Crash Landing assistant and insurance agent duo Ko Kyu-pil and Im Chul-soo tailed Hyun-woo. Eun-sung is a villain? I thought that Park Sung-hoon was just going to play the second lead. It was hilarious when Eun-sung saw through Hyun-woo's lack of interest toward Hae-in and Hyun-woo said to himself, "How did he know?"

This drama makes a great argument against ever getting married. Thanks a ton for recapping our oppa's new drama, @Unit!

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I don't feel sorry for Hae-in either regardless of her illness as she has been portrayed as such a cold, nasty, toxic human being. It will be interesting to see how they redem the character. A bit of a gamble having written her so cold and heartless. If this was say for example King the Land, the character would get away with the behavoiur because it was Juhno playing the character so lets see how the writers do so with a female character.

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That is such an astute observation. 😍 Indeed Junho can be as obnoxious as he wants but will be still lovable. Hehe. Yes let’s see her “redemption” although tbh those behind his back scenes of her “protecting” him from her family were good enough for me. She doesn’t want to reveal how much he matters to her or how important a position he has in her life.

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It's a huge gamble not to have a likeable female lead. Look at the reactions already. Despite some welcome exceptions, we have been raised on tsundere male leads and female candies. But it's not just the gendered trope reversal that grabbed my attention, but that our male candy is not being perfect himself. It's made the drama more interesting to me at least.

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It's a huge gamble not to have a likeable female lead. Look at the reactions already. Despite some welcome exceptions, we have been raised on tsundere male leads and female candies. But it's not just the gendered trope reversal that grabbed my attention, but that our male candy is not being perfect himself. It's made the drama more interesting to me at least.

^I second all of this! There are comments even on the posts about the Queen of Tears teasers etc saying the female lead (weeks before the drama even aired or we had a full trailer) is "unlikeable" and that the drama would have to do 'a lot of work' to win viewers over to her. And this despite the drama coming from a writer with a long track record of writing heroines who are NOT your average Candy girl and are in positions of wealth/fame/power, like Hae-in is.

If anything, I find the gold-digging motive off-putting but also intriguing from a story perspective. Also the gendered reaction to flawed men vs women is no joke - I've seen more sympathy on db for literal serial killer male leads in kdramas (and in one case, a conman planning to con a blind heiress) than for women and girls who are 'mean' even when the drama makes it crystal clear the latter have good reason for being that way.

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Hear! Hear!

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Preach!

And wow I just came across your comments the other day on old Kdramas. It feels surreal to see people from the initial days of DB be active on the site 😁

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@emsel lol yes I'm a dramabeans dinosaur, though I'll admit I haven't been on here much in a few years - the first page of my comment history still shows comments on Vincenzo and that was from early 2021.
But yes, it's very interesting to see the pov through which people judge this particular character for not being 'nice'. Like I said, it was happening right from teaser time i.e. when we didn't even have a full trailer.

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“Therefore, I have no moral quandaries about Hyun-woo celebrating Hae-in's death, especially because he isn't after her money. This is his only way out and not end up dead at the hands of her mafia family.”

But doesn’t he start behaving nicely toward her after his friend suggested doing so might make her change her will and leave him some money? Or did I misunderstand that?

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That was my understanding too. 😅

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I personally don't think he is there for the money, he is desperate and wants out of the whole family after being treated like dirt for so long. He just wants to get out without the repercussions of divorce and family making the rest of his life even more miserable.

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I thought so too for the most part. But while he is rather flustered in his reactions to her after the diagnosis, directly after a convo with his friend suggesting a change of tactic if he wants an inheritance, he immediately starts showing up with flowers, peeling shrimp, and other excessive gestures. It seemed to me the drama wanted us to think his new behavior was connected to his friend's advice, but maybe not...

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yeah it feels very pointed, it wouldn't be so clear if the flowers and prawns had been before the gold-digging advice.

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He wasn't thinking that way until his friend said so, and while negating that angrily, the venom his friend dripped in his ear was already spreading through his veins.
So for him and Hae-in to find back together they will have that too fight, too. I am certain that just as his hate is disappearing, she will learn about it, and he will have to convince her.
I hope they will not end up like Romeo and Juliet, but I will be surprised if we don't almost get there.
Mind you, there will be Bugs Bunnying.

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Exactly. Plus I think the writer makes it obvious he’s not in the right head space. He’s seesawing between trying to get confirmation that she’s truly dying to asking himself “why isn’t she home yet, is she *actually* sick?” It’s like a part of his brain hasn’t exactly comprehended this info despite getting it point blank. He’s angry with her, a part of him hates her, and he hears from someone that she apparently left nothing for him or their eventual kids during the time when they were in love. So it’s all coming to a head and clouding his judgement.

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I have argued for reasons for Hyun-woo's way of reacting on my fan wall.
It's about the talk they have in the car with gifs, so I can't post it here.

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That wasn't his initial intent, though. He told Yang-ki, "It's (her will) fine. I'm just happy that I can escape from them safe and sound in three months."

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He clearly was affected that there was a will and that he won’t get anything in a divorce. After having slogged for the family I assume he wasn’t even paid a salary? He did have some divorce terms.
I don’t blame him for wanting to leave with some money to start a fresh life since he worked so hard.
But the way he going about it is awful. I am ok if he is doing all this and will leave. But we know she ain’t dying 😅

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What affected him first was not the money, but that she had thought about him not getting one single dime, even before the marriage. As if they were enemies, as if she expected him to murder her.
The woman who told him that did so to put a wedge between them, and she has told her something, too. What she has told her, we don't know.

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Well, her thinking (in terms of the show's logic, this is) could be explained by her desire to remove any gold digging taint from her husband, also assuage her own insecurities that he wasn't a gold digger, and finally a misguided attempt to remove the taint of family misbehavior based on wealth. I imagine something like this will come out if they reconcile. (of course in real life,in their honeymoon phase of the relationship they would have discussed that honestly.)

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Yes, and as I said elsewhere, whoever is in charge in that family may have demanded it for her to be allowed to marry him.
Of course, it's a free country, (supposedly), but apart from losing both their jobs and all her money, the family could have decided to make it impossible for any of them to ever get a job or a place to live again.

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wills can definitely be an emotive matter irl, and it's not just over money, it's over principle/the relationship between them. I definitely don't hold it against him for being upset, since the implication was that Hae-in signed that will when things were still good between them

(considering she had a full-on marriage proposal from Hyun-woo when he assumed she was just an intern who'd never be able to keep a job, she knew he didn't want her for her money - because he didn't know about it. She may well have believed his feelings wouldn't change so the will was just an 'ok I'll sign this, he doesn't care about my money anyway' for her but obv that's not how things turned out)

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She didn't tell him then and up until now so we can understand that she didn't trust him from the beggining and the misscomunication they have started with her. I think that if she would have told him, he would have agreed to the will. I can understand him being upset because he feels that she never fully trusted him from the beginning and never thought him being her equal. His "revenge" plan does not really hurt her if she doesn't know that he knows about the will. Also, he is not actually hurting her by being nice to her in her last few months. He doesn't even have to leave her to get his money, that will be God's work, so he will not be hurting her feelings. He thinks is a win-win situation for him and her. It is still unacceptable to me and it shows a big crack in his character even if this was just a first impulse reaction to get even when he first learned of the fact that she didn't trust him. You don't get to use someone that is already is dying unless you are the biggest jerk there is. His jerkiness beats her Bness thus far and I am afraid is in line with the modern narative. Both ML of her previous kdramas were overall good guys so it is really dissapointing that she went in this direction with the story.

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We cannot assume she didn't trust him.
Signing him out of her will can be a lie from that clearly not-nice lady, -
- it can very likely have been a demand in negotiations with her family that he doesn't know of,
or it can be routine in her family.

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This guy doesn't really know his own feelings. His love is buryied under a thick layer of anger and alienation, but obviously, it only takes a boar to get his feelings right up to the surface.
A rival also helps.

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She didn't trust him enough to tell him about the will. Why? I guess we will find out. But she signed it when they were still on good terms, or at least that is what we all were made to believe. Very well she could have sign it after everything went south. Or maybe is all a lie. But if she did before they got married and didn't tell him that still is because she didn't trust him. I think he should have known and it would have been a better marriage. The money issue burdened him and being free from it, at least with a will or prenuptial, would have made him be more in control with the family and with her. I don't know why he didn't ask for one from the start, maybe he should have.

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DIdin't trust or didn't think it was relevant, since that was not the reason they married.
Or hoped to keep him out of the family fights by freeing him, if she died.

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Totally agree with the money up to the marriage. But not after because he might have contributed to her wealth more than only the actual job he had as the company's lawyer (that I assumed he was compensated for). For example, just by being at her side when she needed him at that party to meet that wealthy guy to make the deal. Or doing things for her while she has other meetings. Or legal advice that he gives to her family or herself beyond the ones he is hired for. It is his time he is dedicating to the family in those home meetings where they discuss bussiness and that should count as his contribution to the extra wealth.

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Which may (the existence of such will) or may not be true. Hae-in could have written such will or been presented with one and ultimately consigned it to the shredder.

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if he has enough money to be supporting his siblings, I highly, highly doubt he doesn't have a salary from his work for Queens Group.

For starters, that would be illegal unless he had some kind of equity in Queens - and do we really think this lot were going to grant him equity?

Their marital problems began long before the disclosure about her will, nosy matchmaker lady absolutely did it to put a wedge between them and profit off what she sees as Hae-in's inevitable divorce and remarriage (and while Hae-in appears well able to see through her manipulations, Hyun-woo is vulnerable to them - the problem is that they don't talk)

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I think he def. has a salary but also that he is worth many times that, and is expected to be at their ... beck? beg? ... and call at all hours.

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Yes so much to a Hyun-woo bestie shoutout! He’s so supportive and was willing to risk it all - after admittedly a lot of hemming and hawing - to help Hyun-woo with the divorce. Love that he sat through the hilarious I-hate-that-I’m-so-cute rant session, and that he’s genuinely looking out for Hyun-woo’d well being. He’s so much more supportive than Hyun-woo’s supposedly close knit family.

I think Eun-sung isnt The Big Bad, but he’s likely got a streak of villain in him. There’s a lot of characters and they all seem to have differing motives. It’ll be interesting to see who ends up in who’s side. I think Boem-ja and dad will be on Hae-in’s. Grandpa feels like he’s downplaying his strength somehow, and I’m very certain either Da-Hye or grandpa’s girlfriend is the puppet master.

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I haven't watched episode yet. So thank you for the recaps before watching. Although I feel a bit cheated that I'm reading before watching it.

Honestly, I was ready to tear Hae-in apart. Not until she came for her younger brother's head and warned him to steer clear of her husband. I wondered why she didn't cover for him when they were gathering. And I reasoned that perhaps she didn't want to reveal a weakness of hers to the entire family. Better let them know individually than as a collection all at once. That scene in episode 1 was what calmed me down about Hae-in. But episode 2 did the job of pulling the rug off my feet. At this point, I'm all for watching them more as a united front, with each POV lending perspective at each end.

I love Hyun-woo's mom already. The rest of the family - they're a warm version of Queens.

I squeed when I recognized Im Chul-soo and Go Gyu-pil as scandal prevention team. That is a combination. And it is already funny enough without considering the meta surrounding the cameos.

I don't like Hyun-woo's turn of actions in episode 2. I'll have to sit through it when I get down to watch it though. But I'm sure he's going to turn back and be right on track.

About the unusually long hour of episode 2... I sat through almost two hours each of episodes 10-12 in Hospital Playlist 2. This one is chicken change compared to that.

I'm officially joining the Kim Soo-hyun fanclub. I watched You From Another Star at a time when I wasn't all that concerned about who's acting on TV. To finally witness the acting prowess of his that's always talked about, I'm already a member of the fanclub.

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I’m totally with you on wanting to tear the FL apart … but the way she protected him behind his back was swoony. I want him to have the look she has at the end of episode 2 when he realises how much he’s been protected by her over the years. Talk to each other people and sort it all out. You’re a team!!

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Welcome to the fanclub!!

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That last minute slide as the ML stood in front of her was legit hot!! 🥵 Thump thump … my heart flutters even when he’s not drunk er, … make that especially when he is not drunk. Although I must admit that scene was really admirably well done. 👍 👏

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Nothing like a sober hero

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The drunk scene was hilarious for him being so ugly while crying loudly that he was so cute when drunk.

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I had no particular hopes for this show. In fact, after reading the initial wave of beanie reactions, I set them to negative, adding a black comedy lens before I started watching. And I’m glad because with that reset, I quite enjoyed parts of QoT.

I probably ought not to have laughed at Hyun-woo’s divorce dilemma turning into a death dilemma… Yeah, probably, but these grey characters and even darker humor are working for me.

And as mentioned, switching up the POVs is working well to balance our alignment with the leads. I remember how cold Hae-in seemed at the elevator at the end of Episode 1 from Hyun-woo’s perspective. While Episode 2 showed how angry he seemed from her perspective at a vulnerable moment for her. Otherwise, it would be too easy to side with the poor, crying boy over the rich, ice princess. We needed to dirty him up a bit.

Sadly, there was also quite a bit that didn’t work for me: their flat romantic backstory, the heavily filtered and sanitized settings, the exhausting family members, some under-acting and some over-acting, and, that very unrealistic CGI boar! Tho that hunt really reminded of sageuks. Their whole family setup feels like palace politics. Shudder.

Anyhow, let’s see how it goes. I’m definitely tuning in for the next episode.

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🫨 Black comedy lens … yes exactly that!! The Beanie comments and Unit’s great recap are really making me want to rewatch the episodes. Although the length of the episodes are making me baulk at the thought … maybe some YT edits then!?

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I'm waiting for the wave of beanies who didn't like the show. You might change your mind again. 😂

As for the length, perhaps consider ffwding the family scenes that don't involve the OTP? I've already started!

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Hehehe … well I was predisposed to like the show … any expecting a rom-com. I didn’t watch too many teasers so as not to be swayed so it would be fair to say I was caught unaware. The fanwall comments also made me wary. But I love this recap and the comments. So yes … I’m all in. 🙌

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* and expecting a rom-com.

Yes a rewatch is in order for this show. I’m all excited for the grandfather’s girlfriend too!

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Cera @Seeker My gut feeling is that grandpa's girlfriend is evil and tiger aunt Beom-ja is right.

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I have to reluctantly agree with you @panshel. As a character I feel its better if grandfather Chaebol's girlfriend is the evil one. 😅 As my beloved mom-in-love from PMR, I want uri Lee Mi-sook to be purer than driven snow. 😢 😂

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You noticed how even the scary patriarch was afraid of the rampaging aunt (his daughter? Somebody make a family tree?)
And how again, the murderous aunt seemed right in her suspicions that grandpa's girlfriend is not innocent ... I scent a whole lot of muddying up and grey-zoning before us. Maybe it'll all slowly turn and end up with a happy, not-dead family.

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yeah once you put the 'black comedy' perspective on, Hyun-woo's last-minute gold-digging starts to seem funny in a very cynical way vs 'ewww you expect me to root for this man' but the drama's got my attention for establishing both leads as flawed and multidimensional and not just "poor crying boy vs rich ice princess". Which is how a lot of people seemed to see it pre-airing, going by how many people even in these comments saw Hae-in as "unlikeable" based on the trailer alone.

Also we almost never get to see what happens after the 'happily ever after' in the married-a-chaebol-happy-ending dramas, the last drama to go there was Heard It Through the Grapevine (2015) so this is interesting to me too even if it's going to be more of a classic kdrama with a 'happy ending part 2' (I hope? as long as she doesn't die) than the pure black comedy of Grapevine.

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Yes, I quite like that the show is spotlighting what happens after the HEA of these improbable unions. At least it's a change from the usual.

I have not seen Heard It Through the Grapevine, but I'd be fine with a less cynical ending (pretty please). Tho reading DB, this scriptwriter grants her OTPs less than perfect happy endings (such as CLOY and YFAS). So maybe Hae-in won't fully recover from the brain tumor. She'll remember him half the time, but not the other? 🤷🏽‍♀️

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NO-o! I want the kind of ending where Romeo and Juliet wakes up and weren't really dead at all.

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I agree with you that their original love story is not convincing at all! Perhaps that is the point & hopefully round 2 is better.

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You're right. Their foundation was so flimsy, it crumbled under the onslaught of her bulldozing family. Hopefully, OTP 2.0 will be stronger, better, not just as a couple, but also individually. 🤞🏽

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I think Hyun-woo fell for her because he thought she was completely hapless and needed him, but then that dynamic COMPLETELY changed when he found out her real identity

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That's right! I'm hoping we get some more flashbacks in the future (funny that) that flesh out what happened then. But also, this may be the first time since they've married that she's needed him again. So that might bring them together again. Ofc, I wish in the end, they both realize a relationship involves give and take on both sides.

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Where are the negative reactions? All kspaces and professional reviews seem to be full of praises for the show.
And I didn't find any under/over-acting. On the contrary, this seems to be of this rare shows where everybody knows how to act, without any weak links (that memorial scene could've easily turned into a circus but they managed to keep it grounded).
As for the CGI boar, not great but thankfully they intergrated it with the fog from the hallucinations so it doesn't stand out. I actually had to google the size of a boar and if they are that fluffy in real life, and it turns out that the show didn't get it very wrong

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Ah, I can't speak for the larger dramaverse, but a number of pre-recap beanie reactions weren't so positive. But I quite liked parts of it myself, and it looks like most recap reactions seem more positive. I'm glad you're enjoying it all.

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I suppose this could be a negative reaction. I just found it hard going and boring. I kept breaking off to do other things that seemed more interesting to me (pretty much anything). I'll watch the next 2 eps and see if it grabs me but somehow I can't imagine it will.

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Great recap, @unit, and like you, I am smiling from ear to ear with KSH's return. So much to enjoy in these episodes - but the crossovers from other dramas stood out for me. How much I enjoyed the CLOY duo's reappearance (although Im Chul-soo will forever be Agent Ahn to me...) and Moon Sang Tae's reappearance as a psychiatrist was brilliant (the BTS for that one has to be comedy gold!)

The Hong family are suitably bonkers and I loved the fact that we have every family-member trope going from the unhinged aunt to the grandfather's younger girlfriend. Kwak Dong-yeon once again shines in a stellar cast - he's just all in in every role he undertakes, and so believable! Going to need that family tree, though, to keep abreast of who's who... The montage of all the male married-in members complaining after the memorial service was equally hilarious and painful - and I loved the repeated references to the family trying to keep living as royalty. Such an effective way to capture and summarise their essence - and the more I thought about it, the more I saw it 😄

I need to understand Hae-in a bit more in eps 3 and 4 as I'm struggling to understand her arctic treatment of Hyun-woo, but I fully expect to be enlightened. I'm in, and eagerly anticipating weekends for the next couple of months.

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I’ve been defending Hyun-woo a lot so I think Hae-in deserves some defence too lol. I think she genuinely doesn’t realize how cold she comes across to him. That elevator scene was a great example - when we see his reaction from her perspective, he had fire in his eyes, and the anger was staggering. From his perspective, he was tired and defeated and she was the unreasonable one. It’s a rather realistic view of how marriages can turn out I think.

The other scene that really got me was when she calls Hyun-woo out (again in the elevator). He’s never taken her side in front of her family, and when has he ever peeled a shrimp for her? He’s the one acting strange… it’s a great way to show that from her perspective, he never even tried. She was defending him behind his back and she obviously still loves him, but in her eyes, he doesn’t care at all. He even says “do you think we are close?”

I think she’s always been cold. He fell for her despite that. But like his friend said, when people get married, they stop putting the effort in. No doubt she’s at fault for how this marriage turned out. She never shows him any warmth, and her defence of him is never known to him. But he’s also to blame. And I think that makes this drama really really interesting.

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They both have their preconceptions, assumptions about "how people do" and hers are more crazy than his, but that is because she has grown up in an ice box.

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Yes, I one hundred percent think that Hae-in isn't dumb and, deep down, knows that Hyun-woo really doesn't care about her. She suspects he's happy that she'll be out of his life soon. She's starting to question that suspicion the more he's there for her and acts caring, but I don't think it's gonna disappear

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Exactly and she actually says that outright to him too! She tells him she thought he’d be happy to know she was dying, especially after he’s acting nice to her when he didn’t do that for years. But I think Haein’s emotional vulnerability, Hyun-woo’s more genuine actions, layered in with the fact that he was once madly in love with her - that’s going to convince her he wants her to truly live. I mean, to me it feels like she hasn’t fallen out of love with him they way he has.

It will undoubtedly break her heart once she finds those divorce papers, and she will lol. But it will most likely come at a time when Hyun-woo isn’t faking anything anymore.

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I also think that she is still in love with him and he is not or at least he thinks she is incapable of love growing up in that family. But I think that she expected him to get a divorce but didn't think that he would actually do it. It will come in handy that he wanted to divorce and not care about the money somehow more so than breaking her heart that he wanted a divorce, in my opinion.
One thing that came up in my mind was the fact that he loved her initially when he thought she was vulnerable in the beginning when he didn't know about her being rich. And now she is again, being ill, and he will fall again for her. And the FL needing someone to protect her even when she has nothing, although she would not admit it. She, as a rich girl, will always wonder if he, as the poorer guy, loves her or her money and everyone around her reminds her of this. He just wants to be "the protective man" that takes care of his woman but cannot because he is seen as a trophy husband, even by her. I think that this is the cause of their problem in the marriage. I hope for her to allow him to be needed from time to time, to allow him to be the man sort of thing, and for him to get over his insecurities from not being rich and assure her of his feelings.

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that’s a good point regarding her being heartbroken that he’d wanted the divorce irrelevant on the will situation. But also, I think that’s a great thing in saving their relationship because Hyun-woo’s real motivation was never money. It was his sanity and freedom basically.

I don’t think I’ve ever felt Hyun-woo doesn’t love her. I think it’s very obvious he does but there’s a lot of resentment and anger that obliterates the feeling to some extent. Also, I don’t buy the Hyun-woo wanted her when she was weak argument. Not at all. He wanted her *despite* the fact that she may be jobless, but it doesn’t mean he actually wants her to depend on him. Not once has the drama shown Hyun-woo resents her for her position. He hates that she embarrasses him in front of their colleagues. And he hates that she doesn’t respect his opinion at work at all. Honestly that whole scene when she calls him to her office mid meeting and starts demeaning him was supremely uncomfortable to watch and if I was in his position, I’d flip. It’s not even that she should treat him better as her husband - she should treat him better as the director of the legal team where he is giving her legal advice.

But despite all this, never has Hyun-woo wished he was above her, never showed jealousy in what she’s achieved. This drama just isn’t about that to me. I get what you mean about her showing she “needs” him from time to time but also, I don’t think that’s really going to save their marriage. What prob would is her showing she cares for him in front of him, showing him warmth and love that was there when they were dating.

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Probably I didn't expess it well before. He felt more comfortable he thought they could be equal or when he could provide for her. That was when he kind of propose to her the first time. She was vulnerable in the sense of job security and that is why we know that he was not into her because of her money. When he first learns, his first reaction is to run and hide, it scares him, he is not comfortable with being the "weak" one but his love for her is stronger and he agrees to marry her. I don't think he is gelous of her but doesn't feel comfortable in the family meetings or when she is showing everyone who wears the pants in the family, as in that office scene you described. The family does not see him as worthy enough for her because of him not being rich. Even her frenemies. I don't know how much she likes the fact that they are pointing this to her, telling her in other words that she is not good enough because she got a husband that had no money. I don't know how much she likes the fact that she has to defend him to mom, bro and "friend" and I don't know how much she does it to maintain her status and not so much because of her love for him. I don't know if she would have liked for him to step up more so it would be easy for her when dealing with her family, even if doing the dirty jobs as throwing out the retailers that do not perform. Or kill more animals in the hunting trips along with her instead of doing it all by herself. He certainly does not have a voice in that marriage and probably would like to do things differently, as he wants. So he prefers to run away again, even if he is scared of her family. Her being vulnerable now and reaching out to him will give him an opportunity to help her and care for her as he did and wanted to when they first met. Without the money issues and the reverse status that separated them. It gives him a chance to be her hero. Or at least I hope so.

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As always, I went into this drama completely unprepared, having only watched a trailer shortly beforehand. So I had no expectations and was absolutely pleasantly surprised by how much I enjoyed the first two episodes. I love the black humour and hope that it continues throughout all the episodes.

It usually takes me a long time to recognise all the members of an extended family and to find out how they relate to each other, as I'm mostly not particularly interested in that. Here I already have a very good overview because I find the characters so interesting.

I'm already looking forward to the next episodes.

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Are you the one to make a family tree and tag me on the post? Yes Please? 🥺🥹

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Hahaha I think the production team released an official family tree somewhere! They knew ahead of time lol

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Thank you!
... Ach, but where?

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I may have misled you 🙈

Apparently the chart they released did not actually include who is related to who. Here - I’ve marked it via my phone. Lol sorry bad quality scribbles galore and not comprehensive whatsoever but I’m sure someone will come up with a legit one soon.

https://imgur.com/a/EFKhPG9

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So far, so good.
Thank you.

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Thank you for the chart and kindly marking it. 👍👏

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now that I can finally type without spoiling.....

I did NOT sign up for a terminal illness! Dead heroine at the end is even worse than 'male lead forced off-planet for years at a time' or 'can see each other only once a year' and I'm going to be so, so bad-tempered at episode 16? 20? if that's how this shakes out BUT this is Park Ji-eun and not a melo so I have hope.

That said, I loved these first two episodes minus one thing and I'm almost nervous because what are the odds the rest of the drama can live up to it?? But with this cast and this writer, they're good odds (contd.)

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(part 2) I know this drama's going to be all about Hyun-woo and Hae-in's journey back to being in love again but it's going to be a steep climb back for a hero who decides to.....be nice to his terminally ill wife (even one he hates) so she'll change her will and leave him her money?! I get it, they hate each other + deep down he legitimately cares for her and vice versa but the gold-digging is rather grubby.

Kim Soo-hyun and Kim Ji-won's chemistry is everything I could have hoped for though and not just because they look incredible together and the styling/cinematography team seem determined to show off the exquisiteness of Kim Ji-won's face the way jewellers like to show off a particularly flawless diamond. They're nailing it on the acting front - no surprise given their track records - and so is everyone in the cast including scene-stealing crazy auntie Beom-ja. Hae-in feels like a classic Park Ji-eun heroine, in the same spiritual lineage as Chun Song-yi, Cindy, Yoon Se-ri or even Tak Ye-jin - she seems to like writing heroines with strong personalities in a position of power, but Hong Hae-in feels like a wounded ice queen sort, quite distinct from her predecessors (who were also distinct in their own right), though the part with him offering her an umbrella in the rain feels like a callback to Baek Seung-chan and Cindy in The Producers. Like the 'will make you believe she wouldn't care if someone hurt her husband but will inflict violence on the 'someone' if they dared' sort, as we see with little bro and business rival.

That said, at the end of episode 2 I have more questions than ever - these two weren't a marriage of convenience and actually did love each other, so what went wrong???

P.S. (I am still DEAD with laughter @ him proposing to her with the 'I can take care of you I have an officetel on lease not rent and my family has 30 cows' not knowing she's the main boss's daughter lol)

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The cow proposal and 'If it's you, I don't mind trying to be the sole provider' and the bathroom scene, 'He should have tried harder and married her. He would have saved my life. Is he teasing me?' Had me crying with laughter.

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Hyun-woo, Hae-in and Soo-Cheol have a lot of flaws but the actors are so good that I can't help to love them anway.

Hyun-Woo doesn't need Solution team, he went to Seoul University and he's competent.

Hae-In's choice is kinda weird. I understand she's in denial. But she has 3 months to live and her goal is to make the mall bigger, but it will be her family who will profit of it. So she will overwork for them? I wish she didn't drive... I mean she had "episode" of hallucination without any control of her part.

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I feel like Hae-in sees it more as her life's work and an achievement she badly wants for herself, not really for her family. And her illness is shown as already affecting her work (and memory), so I assume she'll want Hyun-woo's help to conceal it.

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Oh yeah, she wants to prove herself. But at the end, her family will get the mall and she will be dead without enjoying her last 3 months.

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I think she didn't understand work is not everything yet. For example, she thought if she had a perfect healthy life, she will be fine. But it doesn't work like this. She needs to open her horizon from her family and work. She needs to learn to enjoy other things.

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Her having been involved in her sibling's death and her mother doesn't pretend not to resent her for it may have led her to try to output two people's worth of work and value. I'm sure she must have heard some variation of "why couldn't you have been the one who died instead?"

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Yes, what wasn’t told us directly but came through as several of the highest ranking family members make mention of his work with praise, is that Hyun-woo has the smarts and vision to run the high level legal proceedings of the family. He does fit in in that way. If he saw that and saw Hae-in’s ability to handle the political side of that understanding, they would (will) make a formidable team.

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i didn't realize how much i've missed Kim Soo Hyun!! he had me in stitches -- the man simply does NOT AGE! they look good together, i am very much liking this drama!

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I have missed him, too. But by now, I would like to see more of the work of time and less of the surgeon on his face. Especially around the mouth.
But then I am one of those old enough to appreciate a few wrinkles and their story.

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his mouth always had that "curly" corners look... he was absolutely gorgeous when we saw him at Kcon LA in 2015 -- my daughter and i were in the mosh pit about 15 feet from where he stood on the edge of the stage...

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I'm glad to hear it. I mean, everybody should be free to improve their looks like they want to, but I do like the thought that he just has that pretty look.
Maybe I am wrong, I just think there's a certain defined-ness around his mouth that I have seen in a few other actors (like Park Ji Young?) and that I seem to recognise with him now, too. I may have misunderstood - I know like, nothing about what people usually get made and how it looks.
I know that with Jang Hyuk, the wrinkles that he has looks so good on him. So as people go nearer to forty, I would like to see a few more of those wrinkles underlining their moods.
Of course not so that they should have wrinkles specially made to accommodate my idea of a grown-up person. 🙂

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i know what you are talking about. regarding Jang Hyuk - if you watch Chuno, you will see his fabulous "lines/wrinkles" that they filtered out while showing his younger years -- i LOVED those lines! it gave his face character, but now he's been botoxed and filled - which i find very creepy. he is handsome in his own right with his earned age and experience!

wish they'd stop doing so much work, the older actors. whereas, Kim Soo Hyun is still young enough that he doesn't need wrinkles... i hope he hasn't done much to his face, but ya know, filters do wondered for these dramas. i know they don't look like how we see them in the dramas and films...

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😍😍😍 Lucky lucky you!!

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and Daniel Henney was there the night before -- he is also VERY HANDSOME... it was lots of fun. i don't know if actors attend Kcon anymore, or maybe more of them do now? we saw Son Ho Jun in a side panel session with a writer -- darn, can't remember which woman writer was there...

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Weirdly enough, the second episode drastically changed were I stand with the leads. Hae In doesn't seem to have changed with how (confused but) receptive she is of her husband's affection. It seems like the one who opted out of that relationship is Hyun Woo. So far, it seems like he stopped liking her after witnessing & experiencing her leadership style. Hae In doesn't make dumb business decisions like her brother, but I also don't think she is particularly good at her job. She is definitely not the most moral one. At a certain point, I was chanting "eat the rich" in my head.

On another note, I feel like I am somehow too sensitive for the recent kdramas. This is strange, because I mostly have a sensitivity of the brick. Still, I was a bit too on edge about throwing objectively terrible friend at the abusive husband in MMH, because the domestic violence against women just feels wrong regardless of who the women is, and now, I am on edge at the dude celebrating his wife's terminal illness, because at its core, she is still the person who he married for love and such an absence of sympathy is terrifying.

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Hyun Woo also knows Hae In is alone and has no one else but him to rely on. She must also be terrified. I know Hae In is not a particularly good person, but I think those reasons should be enough to genuinely feel bad for her.

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I think he thinks she has her family, but that he is beginning to see that it is not so, e.g., in the car when she talks about how they will jump at her assets like vultures as soon as they pick up the scent of her impending death.
Somehow, only now he is beginning to see her loneliness and struggles. Of course he will slowly revert from his present hate (and now also gold-digging) to feeling and realising his deeper love, and she will find out about his hate just as it is evaporating.

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I noticed that he didn't put away the divorce papers in his pocket, but shoved them under some ledge in her bedroom. And I shouted, No Sir! That will come back and haunt you. Yes it will!

OK, maybe he did put them away, but I expect she will learn about his hate at some critical juncture as they tend to do in dramaland.

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When we saw that he didn't put them in his pocket, we know she will find them at an inconvenient time, likely in the moment he is starting to actually love her again. Or be aware that he does.

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Ep 8 ending 😂😂
It can’t be a kiss. So gotta be this.

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@mayhemf Ha, ha. We can write these scripts...at least as a junior screenwriters. I'm still waiting for a similar set of papers to come to light in FxC. Tho gosh darn, they're already at Episode 12.

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Yes that was my thought when we didn't see him with them at any point later that day. The housemaids will probably find them. They already found it weird that he was sitting close to her at breakfast time.
I was wondering if they had their own dinning room for breakfast as it seemed from his conversation that they always ate just the two of them and yet always sat at the two heads.

I also thought it was weird that they were the only two sitting on the other side of the dinning table at dinner time and were sitting so many chairs apart.

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The moment he finds out that she can't tell her family members he has very little reaction to that (maybe a bit of a surprise?). Frankly, Hyun Woo shouldn't be needing to see the ex or even have a romantic love to have some empathy for someone who is clearly in a tragic position.

I wouldn't have expected him to grieve, but Hyun Woo is a bit too chill about the whole deal.

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It shook his picture of the state of the whole thing. But not like: "WHAAAT?", more like an inside "But ... wow ... tough." Remember, along with that, her priorities of achieving trillion status or what it was, came out. Had she said "... and it make me feel so lost and lonely," he would have understood.
As someone remarked, they have really always spoken completely past each other.
"You fill up paper here"
"Huh. He is falling for me, obviously."
Admittedly, though I am sure he meant exactly what he said, her later interpretation was not entirely wrong, but also didn't get the point:
"You act like a crazy person, and I feel sorry for you."
"Explore that feeling. Pretty sure it's desire. (And love)."

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I thought the opposite from that car conversation. I gathered that it made him more afraid of her greed that even her illness will not stop her from getting more power.

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He lived 3 years in that house. Even if he despised her crazy family, he still married her out of love, so he should have sensed her loneliness. I don't know what kept him from questioning her.

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I am on edge at the dude celebrating his wife's terminal illness, because at its core, she is still the person who he married for love and such an absence of sympathy is terrifying.

yeah same but I think it's supposed to show us how badly their relationship has deteriorated, that he could be that way. Through a very black comedy perspective, it's almost funny that the 'nice one' is the one celebrating his wife's impending death and scheming for her to will him her assets, which is a 180 from episode 1 which presented her as the mean ice queen.
Interestingly, Hae-in seems to be the one more invested in the relationship but does it in a way that's hidden from Hyun-woo - defends him against perceived slights outside of work settings (whether from her bro, her business rival or even the interfering matchmaker), wants him with her to receive a serious illness diagnosis, stops her mother from scolding him....but all behind his back or without making things clear to him so he has no idea.

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I do think he should have at least some idea about her feelings. In their relationship, she was the one initiating the meeting, reminding him about her family dinner and wanting him in the hospital. She is objectively not a good person, but his attitude feels extra cruel considering she is still the one putting some work in the relationship.

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To him, it does not feel like work on their relationship at all. The family dinner certainly is not something he enjoys, and he had no reason to think what she wanted him to was as support at the hospital; of course, he was expecting another business matter, and even without being informed beforehand. Mind you, she didn't tell him she was going through tests, and she didn't look at him as someone who needs loving support, but as someone giving and order.

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Hae-in is not a 'nice' person (Park Ji-eun female leads never are - and long may that tradition live, I'm so tired of the strangehold of the 'self-insert relatable girl next door' trope on younger female leads in kdramas) but I haven't seen enough of her to say whether she's 'good' or not.
I mean, Hyun-woo is nice and he's looking like a bit of a terrible person as of episode 2.

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She was trying to fire a large number of people and screw their businesses. She also encouraged her employee to manipulate the said people into not suing them. Hae In is not a good person.

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Hae In is clearly a business woman. A chaebol at that and it is no surprise she would resort to gimmicks to earn more profits. Plus, it is not her job to improve the performance of the shops. She is a land owner and it is upto the shops capacity to utilize the opportunity and space. Hyun Woo being the legal director was right in saying that the shops could sue them, but Hae In is not the right person to dicsuss on improvement plans when he should have discussed it with the shop management team. Of course, had the FL mentioned that the shops can be shifted to another alternate location then she would be winning brownie points from the viewers, but the writer is not going for a goody-two-shoes character.

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finally something beautiful! it recalls the series of the golden period 2018-2022

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I love Oppa, but/and I didn't see him being cute when he was drunk, which in itself was hilarious, because he referred to exactly that claim about himself. "I was always cute, everybody said so, she said I was cute when I am drunk". And he dares not go home in that state, because "I am too cute when I am drunk, WAAAAHHH".
I have heard some say that his crying is always exaggerated, because they only the respect the "single tear brimming, overflowing and then running down a cheek" kind of crying, but I have always felt Kim Soo-hyun was someone who could cry realistically like an unhappy person.
In this case, though, he looks horrible while doing so, and it's on purpose, a satire on the fandom objectification of his moods. While one feels with him in his predicament (not only the family patriark, but also the Crazy Ex-Sister-in-Law of the century show a frightening perspective on leaving that family), his open-mouthed self-pitying wailing is while complaining about his own cuteness (Starting, even more hilariously, with Soo-hyun demonstrating his cute-drunk ability, making his (character's) friend saying "What was that? You make my heart flutter!").
In "It's Okay ... " he told his friend that his brother was always watching him and that he had to control his facial features, always, to not spread panic in his brother, in case he saw hints of anger, annoyance, or fear, in his face.
In this drama, he is in front of the mirror again, slowly forcing a not very creditable look of sorrow to appear on his face.
https://www.dramabeans.com/activity/p/1547677/

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I thought this "I'm cute when I'm drunk" line was among the funniest in the first episode, and was a direct hit on the kdrama trope of good looking male leads not getting hostile, belligerent, or "handsy" when drunk, but rather acting cute and funny. In fact, if the show had been filmed a little later, I would have thought it was a direct satire of Park Hyung Sik in Dr. Slump (but of course, his character there is just the most recent example, and cute ML drunkenness also has played a role in Wedding Impossible as well.

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And, as Oppa Soo-hyun says, he himself has been demonstratively and celebratedly extremely "cute while drunk" before.
What I see is first and foremost a satire on himself as an idol.

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What I like about it, everything has double meaning. I laughed a lot. Kim Soo-hyun how long not to see you 😘

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Even being drunk and crying is meta and reverse.

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So far I liked the first two episodes although the humor felt a bit off ( not a fan of making comedy out of terminal illness) . However, the trope reversal was fun to watch & I'm loving Kim Ji Eun's aura in this. I hope they end the gallows humour soon so that I can warm up to KSH's character a bit more.

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^^ 💯 You have beautifully expressed what I thought! 😊

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I am on the fence about this one. Gorgeous actors, gorgeous production values (although the Netflix polished look makes me a bit wary these days). The main weakness for me is that even if the differing points of views, the relationship and marriage seemed to have started out on misunderstandings—the first epilogue (her point of view) may have hinted that she loved him but didn’t really reveal much depth and the second epilogue where Hyun Woo describes his love for her was based on the illusion that she was a hapless intern instead of an intern who didn’t care her performance because it wasn’t important. I didn’t even see a whirlwind (unless a helicopter counts) romance and rush of initial attraction as a basis. So I am not that invested in them as a couple (or people) yet. Seeing the show as a black comedy may be the best lens for this, but I don’t feel it on that level. Oddly, I don’t hate it either.

For this writer, she likes inevitable separation plots—North/South Korea, alien/earthling, etc.— terminal illness/death is the latest. Somehow meeting periodically crossing these divides seems to be her solution to the endings. Maybe she can resolve this in an Adonis/Persephone manner and have a River Styx crossing for a few months of the year. The show has an Adonis and Persephone is the Queen (of the Underworld), so the set up is there.

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Enjoying this, despite the marathon episode lengths! I think we're in good hands with this write and cast. Standouts for me so far are Kim Ji Won, Park Sung Hoon and Kwak Dong Yeon.

Obsessed with how ugly the interior design and styling of the Queen family is?! Also, the choice to style Hae In's mother with that single strand of hair down the middle of her face - what is with that?

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Yeah I don't like the set design/look of this drama that much... the single/double strand of hair seems to be a weird trend lately...

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"My oppa is back in dramaland, he’s in his suit era, and his forehead appears a lot more times than it did in his last few roles."

No worries, I AM WITH YOU 😆🫶🏼✨

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Can we agree that even though a bereaved parent will mourn their child forever in what may seem to others "unreasonable" ways, there is just no excuse for blaming another child (his older sister?)
That leniency called upon with the line: "Don't expect me to be reasonable", should not include hating our FL.

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