Knight Flower: Episodes 9-10
by Unit
There might not be electricity in Joseon, but that doesn’t stop our heroine from getting shocked this week. She learns that her father-in-law is actually a villain-in-law, and she goes from widow to wife before she can process it all. She’s also nowhere close to finding out what happened to her brother, and there’s still no definite evidence to solve the 15-year-old mystery.
EPISODES 9-10
We resume from where we left off last week with the sword relay. Yeo-hwa points her sword to Yoon-hak’s throat, and Soo-ho aims his sword at her neck. She turns around, and Soo-ho is startled when he recognizes the face behind the mask. Yeo-hwa is also surprised to see him, and there’s a mini commotion when she sees that the person she was aiming at is Yoon-hak.
In the midst of the chaos, Yoon-hak attempts to unmask Yeo-hwa, and Soo-ho pushes his brother out of the way to help her escape. Although Soo-ho swears that he was also attempting to catch the masked person. Lol. Yeo-hwa heads to Myeongdo inn to wait for Soo-ho, and when he eventually arrives, they have the “why is your brother looking for my brother” conversation.
Soo-ho tells Yeo-hwa his real name, IM HYUN-JAE, and he says he’s the son of the head of the late king’s guard. But he is not in the best position to answer Yeo-hwa’s “What happened [15 years ago]?” question. Yeo-hwa can tell that Yoon-hak is looking for something her brother passed down to her — probably the late king’s jade tablet — but all she got from her brother is the moonlighting sword she uses. In any case, Yeo-hwa is all for uncovering the truth and getting everything that was taken from her and Soo-ho: her brother, and his real name.
Yoon-hak eventually pieces together Yeo-hwa’s identity, and he tells the king that the masked hero is Lord Seok’s daughter-in-law. This is turning out to be the worst kept secret in their world. Lol. Yoon-hak and Yeo-hwa’s next encounter is at the Bookshop of Covert Meetings, and he tells her about the late king’s death, the poisonous petal tea, and Lord Seok’s involvement in everything.
Yeo-hwa asks if he has evidence of her father-in-law’s involvement, and Yoon-hak says her marriage into Lord Seok’s family is the evidence. Yeo-hwa is shaken, and she refuses to believe the man she respected for 15 years was keeping her hostage to use as leverage against her brother. But when she thinks it through, she can’t help but admit that everything points to him.
Yeo-hwa realizes that being Lord Seok’s daughter-in-law means that her family and Soo-ho’s are enemies. But Soo-ho promises he won’t take revenge on her. I mean, they’re both victims. Plus he can’t guarantee he will win if they face-off against each other. What a tease! Yeo-hwa tells Soo-ho that Pil-jik was the one who attacked him last week. And since Soo-ho now knows that Pil-jik was the man who killed his entire family, it’s payback time. Yeo-hwa versus Lord Seok, Soo-ho versus Pil-jik. May the best man win!
Finally, we get to meet the dowager, and how fitting that the first time we see her, she’s with Lady Oh — who’s bringing in some tea for the king! It’s not the poisonous kind, though. This is more like Oh’s warning to Lord Seok — who’s present at the tea giving ceremony — not to mess with her. But it’s Lord Seok we’re talking about here, and he’s not one to take kindly to threats. So he summons Pil-jik for an assignment: make Lady Oh follow her husband to the afterlife.
This is a hard pill for Pil-jik to swallow, and he begs his sister to run away instead. But Lady Oh refuses to beg for her life to “someone as lowly” as Pil-jik. Pil-jik is deeply hurt by her words, and he bows to her for the last time. “Knowing that you never saw me as your brother leaves me free of guilt.” She scoffs at his words, and that’s the last thing she does before he reaches out to strangle her. She did not see that coming! Thankfully, Soo-ho barges in, and Pil-jik escapes before he is caught. Against all odds, Lady Oh lives to see another day.
In the meantime, Yeo-hwa baits her father-in-law with the note she got from Yoon-hak last week. (The one telling her to meet up for more information about her brother.) Lord Seok is rattled by the note, and seeing how Yeo-hwa has been bringing up her brother recently, Seok decides to put a stop to it. How? By sending her away for a three-year mourning period beside her husband’s grave.
Yeo-hwa calls everyone — including Yoon-hak — to the Myeondo inn to share the recent development, and Soo-ho is very visibly and vocally worried about the possibility of Yeo-hwa leaving the capital for three years. Awww. Yoon-hak is tasked with coming up with a way for Yeo-hwa to remain in the capital, after which, he and So-woon excuse the lovebirds. Yeo-hwa can no longer pretend she doesn’t know how Soo-ho feels about her, but she tells him they cannot have a relationship even after she leaves the Seok family. I don’t think it matters to Soo-ho that Yeo-hwa was someone’s wife, but for now, it is what it is. Sigh.
The king is updated on the plan to have Yeo-hwa remain in the capital, and he decides to arrange a meeting between her and the dowager. But the plan is put on hold when Lord Seok threatens the king with his mother’s safety. Apparently, the dowager has been innocent all along, but Lord Seok made it look like she was behind Lady Oh. Lady Oh and Pil-jik have also been embezzling from the dowager’s charity outreaches, and Seok warns that the dowager will go down for everything if the king doesn’t fall in line. Wow! I guess using family members as hostages is Lord Seok’s go-to MO.
Speaking of hostages, Lord Seok detains Pil-jik in his inn for failing to kill Lady Oh. Yeo-hwa and Soo-ho sneak in to see if they can get him to turn against Seok, but all they inevitably do is help him escape. The good news is that he told them about the existence of the late king’s royal edict, but the bad news is that Lord Seok is now aware of the presence of a masked man roaming the capital.
Earlier on, Lord Seok and Yo-seob — or should I say, JEONG — met in secret, and Seok warned his son to leave Joseon and never return. To this warning, Jeong replied with a sound “No!” Jeong insisted on remaining in the country to beg for forgiveness from his mother and his wife, but Lord Seok ordered his son to at least leave the capital because a dead man cannot be revived.
When Lord Seok sends some ruffians to Myeongdo inn, Jeong has to pack up to avoid putting the merchant guild in trouble. He leaves Myeongdo inn like his father wanted….and heads to the temple where his mother went to pray for his soul. Ha! Something about chess and checkers. Jeong triumphantly returns home with Lady Yoo — who’s the most joyous woman on earth at the moment — and there’s nothing Lord Seok can do about it. Hehe.
Yeo-hwa is dumbfounded when she hears that her husband is alive and well — and even worse, that he’s the “not right in the head” merchant she ran into at Myeongdo inn the other day. Lol. But at least one good thing came out of her husband’s return: she no longer needs to leave the capital for the three-year mourning period — which everyone suspects is Lord Seok’s pretext to kill her and make her a virtuous widow. To think that it is Seok himself who’d attempt to do this and not Lady Yoo. Tsk.
Jeong plans to bury everything his father did and live happily with his mother and wife, but “living happily” throws said wife and Soo-ho into a state of sadness. It’s ironic how Yeo-hwa — who longed to wear colorful hanboks — would now much rather live with her White Hanbok of Widowhood than play wife. Sure, she’s now free to leave the house and all, but true freedom, to her, is being able to leave as Yeo-hwa rather than as Mrs. Jeong.
To compound Yeo-hwa’s current plight, Lady Yoo wants a grandchild ASAP! Oh boy! On consummation night, Jeong formally apologizes to Yeo-hwa for making her live like a widow. He states that he is not in a hurry to consummate, but Yeo-hwa cannot take chances, so she knocks him out and heads to Myeongdo inn. Soo-ho is a drunken mess at the inn, and when Yeo-hwa comes in, he thinks he’s hallucinating. So he tenderly reaches out to her with a: “My lady. You, Lady Cho, who is someone else’s wife.” Gahhh. My heart can’t take this!!
Thankfully, the show wraps up next week, so we’ll be spared a long period of angst. Phew! I’m not that curious about how the show will wrap up the Lord Seok business, because he’s definitely going down as per sageuk villain rules. What I want to see is the fate of Yeo-hwa and Soo-ho’s romance. Jeong has been shown to be a sensible person under all that goofiness, so here’s hoping that he does the honorable thing by releasing Yeo-hwa to be with the man she loves. I mean, he is a big fat shipper of Soo-ho and Soo-ho’s “veiled lover” anyway. Heh.
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Tags: Honey Lee, Jo Jae-yoon, Kim Mi-kyung, Kim Sang-joong, Knight Flower, Lee Jong-won, Lee Ki-woo
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1 Blue (@mayhemf)
February 11, 2024 at 5:08 PM
Park Su Ho! Oh someone give this boy a hug Poor bb. That last scene was hard to watch. Ouch.
I love that Hyung has accepted his little bro’s crush. That whole meeting was hilarious. Everyone has their agenda while Park Su Ho has ONLY ONE thing he cares about. His lady love!! Also, That epilogue was hilarious!!
I thought the Dowager downfall strategy was pretty good. Every one is being cornered now. It’s fight or die for each and everyone including the King.
I am fairly confident the show will end with a happy note. Husband Joo has already pieced the information together and suspects his wife had a lover. I hope he has a plan to free her because she deserves it for the 15 years of suffering.
I am not ready to let go of this show! Can’t believe it’s the finale next week.
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2 zindigo
February 11, 2024 at 6:16 PM
Alright, I'm thinking that royal edict, which seems to be the hinge around which all of this 15-year old mystery has swung, must be in the handle of that sword that the brother left for Yeo-Hwa.
Meanwhile, I really just can't get enough of Soo-Ho and his precious, lovesick antics. This drama has really been consistently excellent throughout and I'll be so sad to see it end next week.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
February 11, 2024 at 7:04 PM
He is so ‘beautifully’ in love!! I keep rewatching his facial expressions. He is just 🥰🥰🥰
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
February 11, 2024 at 7:57 PM
Everybody's gifs are of him. So sweet.
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jillian
February 11, 2024 at 9:25 PM
Soo Ho is really just precious. The poor man is lovesick and nobody knows how to help him.
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stpauligurl
February 12, 2024 at 6:58 AM
Hi "sad puppy" eyes were just too much and I even wanted to give him a big hug and tell him everything would be okay....
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
February 12, 2024 at 2:09 PM
I'd gladly give him a shoulder to cry on, too. Blow the tears away from his cheeks.
😇🫡🤭
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kiara
February 12, 2024 at 11:01 PM
All official documents are prepared/written by Lord Seok and his people. The king is forced to sign it, but his signature can be forged, unlike his seal.
Even if they find the royal edict, Lord Seok still has the king's seal, which is essential for the king to exercise his power. I hope the MIL will be the one to find it.
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peiyeelai
February 17, 2024 at 6:58 PM
Don't know what dramas or saeguks can i watch that can give me the same feeling...
Just finished watching the final episode.
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3 loveblossom🌸
February 11, 2024 at 7:38 PM
There won't be a long angst period, but the time will be short when Yeo Hwa and Soo Ho are finally official. Can't imagine them not being together in the end. T.T The husband is already aware of them and he's a decent guy.
It was so sweet to see Yeo Hwa getting all those little secret gifts from Soo Ho. 💗
The twist about Queen Dowager actually being innocent was good. The king is stuck for now.
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4 jillian
February 11, 2024 at 9:23 PM
It felt like the show just started and now it will end next week! Poor Soo Ho and we get to see him deal with his heartbreak through alcohol. But I disagree with Yoon Hak, Soo Ho is an adorable drunk especially when its about Yeo Hwa.
I am not worried about Lord Seok, he will be caught. Hopefully Jeong and Yeo Hwa will be spared once Lord Seok's treasonous plans come to light. I can't help but like Jeong.
I am looking forward to next week's episodes.
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5 SooHa
February 11, 2024 at 10:11 PM
When the Queen Dowager herself showing, I thought, hmm .. this Queen doesn't look like a villain, so I'm glad she's innocent.
Soo-ho is so head over heels for Yeo-hwa, please give happiness for this lovesick cutie
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
February 13, 2024 at 9:03 AM
She can hardly (heartly) stand on her own to legs when she flees her own feelings, stumbling and staggering out of the room.
After that talk where he ardently swore that she should never be harmed again.
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6 Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
February 11, 2024 at 10:39 PM
Yeo-hwa has now officially spent the 'wedding night' with her husband, even though we know she hits him in the neck and sneaks out. How are they going to deal with that? It's one thing for Jeong to claim they were never married (if indeed he does that, and he's showing no signs whatsoever of repudiating the marriage) but quite another when there will be a presumption that the marriage has been consummated. I'm feeling somewhat pessimistic about her and Soo-ho as a couple in the end. At least the masked hijinks are still fun, but I hope she doesn't have to settle for that as her only future source of satisfaction.
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sonai
February 11, 2024 at 11:44 PM
Exactly my thoughts. Ugh my heart in that last scene. 🥺 “Madam… the wife of another…” Siiiiiiiiiigh!
Well, there could always be a fake-death-new-identities situation, right? It’s not like the king wouldn’t be in favor once all is wrapped up - I guess. 😆 (Yes, we had that before, so it won’t happen. Let me quickly grab my tissues.)
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DancingEmma
February 12, 2024 at 3:18 AM
I agree. I felt far less charitable towards Jeong after the latest ep as he seemed opportunistic and self-serving. No matter how decent he was to Kkotnim and witty/perceptive he seemed, he has his own agenda and interests which may not coincide with Yeohwa’s at all. And, despite the fact that Lee Hanee has been wonderful in this role, it made me sad that the ratio of hijinks to sadness/angst about her attraction to Sooho seemed really off in the last episode. They hardly allowed her to show any sadness or yearning for a different possibility, life and future. This I found disappointing and odd given her entire arc of defiance to and resistance by stealth to her domestic and systemic oppression.
And, Lee Jongwon’s eyes are among the most soulful eyes I have seen. Just gorgeously expressive and emotionally evocative.
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seyhan
February 12, 2024 at 6:50 AM
Agreed about Yeo-hwa not being allowed to show any yearning. I was at least expecting her to look at the flowers, or check the hiding place out of habit and brood over finding it empty etc.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
February 12, 2024 at 12:59 PM
The eyes: Yes.
When he opened his eyes that first little bit, it hit me in the guts. Just that little bit of his eyes' expression was so much.
I giffed that bit.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
February 12, 2024 at 5:58 AM
Yeah, I was a bit shocked that there was a wedding night. Is divorce an option in Joseon?
Even if the show doesn’t end with Su Ho and her as a couple right away, I want Yeo-Hwa to be free and do whatever she wants.
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hacja
February 12, 2024 at 9:46 AM
Yes, I think Yeo-hwa's character--her really firm denial of Soo-ha's affection a couple of episodes ago, her resolutely virginal mindset, that didn't even have many artificially blushed cheek "its hot in here" moments, means that any ending that has the couple together will be dissatisfying in a romantic sense.
But of course, this is a sageuk, which means that no matter what other elements there are of the plot, ultimately court politics and ministerial conspiracies involving ridiculous hats and beautiful dresses will dominate the storyline. Speaking of that, its a shame that Honey Lee will no longer be wearing that spectacular white hanbok, which I think really illuminated her beauty--nothing against the black mask, which highlights her remarkable eyes. This show has really declined in interest the last few episodes!
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
February 12, 2024 at 10:18 AM
She might have a virginal mind set, but her subconscious certainly hasn't - don't you remember her, while supposedly writing long virtuous ... stuff ... suddenly only being able to write a sign for "king" - and seeing the sign everywhere ... blending with hallucinations of ML's sixpack?
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
February 12, 2024 at 10:29 AM
Oh, and here is her virginal attitude tested against such a suggestive thing as a longitudinal line crossed thrice.
https://www.dramabeans.com/activity/p/1523275/#acomment-1523317
It's a bit like the sketch about the (male) computer science student who sees a female skeleton and snortle-grunts "Boobs!"
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
February 12, 2024 at 10:25 AM
🤣Oh, and her having a washasm ... beating the linen with
eggplantssticks while squirts of water happened everywhere. https://www.dramabeans.com/members/CecilieDK/activity/1527624/A time honoured way of smoothing the linen, though maybe it's not usually meant to end up torn with a big hole in the middle.
Also, of course they were only tearing at this stick because they didn't agree about who was supposed to bring it back, but still ... Jerking that stick to and fro, and then PAW it, like, explodes!
https://www.dramabeans.com/activity/p/1523275/#acomment-1523316
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hacja
February 12, 2024 at 11:17 AM
I forgot the sixpack scene, which is weird because the sixpack bizarrely standing in for...other things...is one of my favorite kdrama tropes! Good eye on the other, we'll call it, beating the linen scene.
But I noticed the latest linen beating our beautiful star did was all about politics, and speaking seriously, I actually do think these last 3 episodes have focused way too much on the left-minister, who is the most boring character in the whole show. Of course, I know asking for a sageuk without a character scheming for political power is like asking for a romance without a couple falling in love, but the scenes you highlight just again demonstrate to me how this universal sageuk theme always removes at least some of the fun of these shows. That and those ridiculous glued on whispy beards.
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DancingEmma
February 12, 2024 at 11:52 AM
I find him insufferably boring too. And, that affected way he speaks just exacerbates the entire situation. He is awful, brutal and vile but also boring.
Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
February 12, 2024 at 12:19 PM
@dncingemma My experience of sageuks in general and scheming left state ministers in particular is limited (although there's a 100% overlap), but he is the worst I've seen. If he could at least be dastardly instead of dull, I'd be more forgiving of his outsized role in this show. I doubt it will happen, but I'd relish a birth secret revelation that Jeong isn't his real son.
@hacja Credit to the makeup artists, though - the glue holding the silly fake beards on isn't as noticeable as it was in The Forbidden Marriage and Our Blooming Youth. That shiny stuff under the tufts of facial hair was madly distracting.
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
February 12, 2024 at 12:39 PM
Y'all hurting those actors who have been growing their facial hair as best they could! 😭
Also, one of my gifs bear witness specifically to the fact that those beards doesn't just come off in a light breeze.
You go find that gif yourself, you'll know when you've found it.
Kodra aka Qanon something
February 12, 2024 at 12:50 PM
But I find them (court politics) so entertaining, though. Some are so bad that they are so good. At first, I found them so ridiculous that I couldn't believe people are actualy watching these. But, as I read more about their history and finding out all the real court power strugles that happened in the past, I found it to be very educational. I almost feel that if something happens now in politics somehow it happened in those times, that they tried everything. I hope that when I retire and have more time I would read their court documents and all the books written from those times. Not only in Joseon, but also in China. Some of the things that happened are like sageuk scripts. For example, Empress Wu and her rise to power and her "work" on Empress Wang:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empress_Wang_(Gaozong)
Another thing that I found funny is the hats the ministers have, with the 2 short wings. There was an emperor that was annoyed that the ministers talked to much among themselves and he added wings on their hats, but one meter long ones, so they could not whisper anymore among themselves. Eventually the wings got shorter to the size they show in Joseon era. I wonder if there is a reason about the long gats also, I suspect to make them look taller since I have heard so much the praise of tall actors in dramas and it seems that it is a sensible issue for them. And also if the width was for keeping distance besides the cover from the sun or rain because it's a hassle for the actors to give hugs or kisses with them on nowadays, not to mention if one falls, as Rowaoon did in his last sageuk.
hacja
February 12, 2024 at 3:24 PM
@kodra I realize my distaste for Joseon court politics is an irrational prejudice; I just never really liked political history, and even when I was teaching history I would avoid it--I was going to say, like the plague--but in fact I enjoyed teaching about the plague, which probably explains why I was not a popular teacher!
Kodra aka Qanon something
February 12, 2024 at 3:52 PM
@hacja
I sure you were just as popular as here. History was not my forte in my youth, I blame it on the teachers of the comunist country I lived in. No visual add, just an old map and a non stop calling of names and years, without the storytelling that makes it so attractive and to spark my curiosity. Asian history was even more boring because it was the names were trickier and the teacher jumped so fast through it. At least for european and american history we had some books and some movies to relate to. So for me, history was like the plague. 🤣 And I am so pissed for not having the wisdom to learn more on my own earlier in my youth.
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
February 12, 2024 at 1:04 PM
Maybe it doesn't count when it hasn't been witnessed (and she isn't pregnant). Originally, the marriage wasn't really finished (but maybe un-de-doable) before the bride had moved *back* to her parents for at while, and *then* to her husband again.
Also, letters between the families were central to the marriage. There's a chance that hasn't happened properly?
And then again, new identity, and it's hubby's turn to be a widower for 15 years, maybe. Though being a male widower weren't anywhere near as horrible.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
February 12, 2024 at 2:03 PM
Except, if they ended up as a couple roaming the roofs at night, fighting for justice and love, out of breath hiding in a doorway, meetings in secret nooks and corners ... 🤔
As long as she doesn't have to kiss or anything that "husband".
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kiara
February 12, 2024 at 9:14 PM
Here's the optimistic me.
The punishment for treason is execution, which includes three generations of the traitor's family. (The show mentioned it before.) I can see Jeong turning on his father. Maybe turn him in to spare his mother and take her to Qing with him. She won't forgive him when she discovers all the evil he has done anyway.
This widow law shouldn't apply to Yeo Hwa since she was held hostage by the same person who killed her brother. I hope they'll end up together, and I think the king will happily ship them. The way he teased Yoon Hak was hilarious. I like that he has a sense of humor.
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bong-soo
February 13, 2024 at 5:58 PM
2 asides @kiara:
1. Our King doesn’t seem to have an ‘ace’ personal bodyguard. In a way Yoon Hak has assumed that role but perhaps the LSM nixed that idea nor do we see a loyal Head Eunuch. The King’s personal bodyguard is often an important secondary role.
2. Isn’t Jeong’s sister Jae-yi married? She seems to be spending a lot of time away from her husband.
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kiara
February 14, 2024 at 8:01 AM
@marcusnyc20, bong-soo.
1. Yes, Yoo Hak seems to be the replacement for the usual childhood friend/bodyguard. The king is going to lose him, too, if he makes another move. The Dowager Queen is getting the X in response to the king's suggestion that Yoo Hak take over the Finance Minister's position.
2. She is married but has the privilege of being the left minister's daughter. She'd faked sickness to return home.
I'm trying not to overthink the politics because it's not meant to be heavy or deep. LOL
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7 Kurama
February 12, 2024 at 12:08 AM
I love the relationship between the brothers. Yoon-hak is such a good big bro listenning his drunk little brother and not pointing how he's so obvious everytime 😂
I didn't like Jeong's way to comeback in Yeo-hwa's life like this. Yeah, he apologized. But the guy was living his best life during 15 years, discovering the world (what about the famous woman who caused the break with his family), when she had to compete for the title of the best widow, was pretty much lockep up, didn't have any social interactions, had to eat only one meal, etc.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
February 12, 2024 at 6:00 AM
I think he is well aware of what she has been through and does feel guilty. I do think he has a plan. I doubt he wants her to be part of the family that ruined her life.
We will find out next week!
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Kurama
February 12, 2024 at 6:19 AM
I don't know... He could have just tried to talk with her. But he let his mother talking about baby...
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stpauligurl
February 12, 2024 at 7:03 AM
He also has a big score to settle with his father. I have the feeling / hope that he will throw Lefty under the bus. At this point just about everyone has something on Lefty and can get even with him.
But wait until his wife finds out what he did to their son! yikes - he will pay - BIG TIME.
and I sooo can't wait to see that!
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
February 12, 2024 at 12:42 PM
Myabe she will Lady Park him!
On the other hand, I am beginning to suspect that all that widow hysteria is to prevent a lot of women from killing their horrible husbands.
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Kurama
February 12, 2024 at 12:57 PM
It's funny but I prefer Lady Park even if she tried to kill the Prince. She was nice with her daugther-in-Law and her son was really killed by her husband.
DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
February 12, 2024 at 1:34 PM
Lady Park was so strong, you had to admire her and cheer a bit for her.
But she was ready for murder anytime. Murdering a child was no issue.
I think this MIL - though absolutely horrible - is of the more soggy kind, who does not really want her DIL to kill herself, but is completely dependant on the recognition of others ... even her own daughter is pressuring her to treat her DIL worse.
Kodra aka Qanon something
February 12, 2024 at 1:55 PM
They already Lady Park-ed someone. You are on to something, might become a trope in kdramas from now on.
Kurama
February 12, 2024 at 1:19 PM
He's the last one who suffered from his father. He's alive, he could do everything he wanted.
He came as the prodigal son and things are not working like he wanted.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
February 12, 2024 at 1:10 PM
I don't think he has a plan to save her. Otherwise he would not come in and start to undress in her sleeping chamber.
No, I don't think he is completely horrible, he is just not considering how bad it has actually been. And that she is a whole actual person who has other feelings than wifely duty.
He apologized, because he kind of got it ... but on a very superficial level. He is not evil, he is a bit goofy, and were it not for his father wanting to kill him, I would also say that he is spoiled. He is kind, but not insightful.
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♡Peach_Mochi♡
February 12, 2024 at 2:15 PM
I agree. (Unless he was about to reveal his plan when she knocked him out.) He rebelled against his father, but he still had the freedom to pursue the woman he wanted and establish a prosperous life elsewhere. His ability to act on his desires has never been curtailed like hers. The ML, FL and Jeong have all been told they are "dead" to family/society in some degree, but Jeong has suffered the least in those circumstances.
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chillichocolate
February 13, 2024 at 5:48 AM
That's what I thought too. He isn't a bad person and does feel sorry for her but he doesn't have a plan to free her. I believe if they had a normal marriage they would have gotten well together and even if he returned few years after his 'death'.
He probably thinks now that he is back they can start again as a couple and make up for the last 15 years. In his mind, her having a lover was due to not having a man and since now that he is back that affair is done. I hope he does understand that she wants different thing and frees her from this obligation
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8 CasualDramaFan
February 12, 2024 at 12:51 AM
Oh my god..Park So-hoo and his love-sick antics are joy to watch. I haven't squeed so much in long time. There were so many moments where his love was as evident as left ministers villainy in seguke drama.
I especially loved his declaration - "Nobody misunderstood anything between us". He is there declaring his love and laying his heart at her feet. Just wow. I just hoped we saw Yeo-hwa reciprocating his feeling just a bit more. I know she can't and may be she never saw herself having that choice but I want So-hoo to be happy , smiley and smitten.
Lord Seok is one hell of chess master. He doesn't stop and he always has a solution. Jeong has inherited his smarts. He is very perceptive and I loved how he outwitted his father. I am glad he got away from his father when he could otherwise in another time and life he would have made terrifying villain replacing his father.
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9 minnie
February 12, 2024 at 6:54 AM
Wow, I love this show so much!
I have been a huge fan of Lee Ha-nee ever since "The Fiery Priest", but the rest of the cast is great as well.
Although I found Su-ho's no-holds-barred displays of affection in front of everyone endearing and funny (very much like the fact that everyone pretends not to notice them), right now, I love the two brothers most. Ep 10's epilogue was so hilarious. Park Yoo-hak is such a caring and kind older brother.
Hopefully, Jeong's English wife finds her way to Joseon and gives him a good talking to. I find it annoying that he was (and probably still is) married to someone else, returns home and then expects his widow of 15 years to be his wife in a heartbeat. Yeo-hwa smacking him over the head was a good start in that respect.
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February 12, 2024 at 1:13 PM
I imagined he was actually a widower, but then again ... you could totally be right, and he could even think it would be okay, two wives.
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minnie
February 12, 2024 at 2:38 PM
There is no trace of loss and/or mourning a wife in his demeanour. It seem like he was bored, homesick, missed his mother and decided to go back to Joseon (and got a brandnew wife as a bonus).
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chillichocolate
February 13, 2024 at 5:52 AM
Perhaps she died few years ago. It has been 15 years since he left, she could have died during childbirth or something.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
February 13, 2024 at 8:44 AM
Also, he could have have a handful of pale sons ready and set for the family line.
minnie
February 14, 2024 at 2:14 PM
That would be the icing on the cake: his foreign wife and their bunch of children appearing before MIL.🤣🤣🤣
10 Britney
February 12, 2024 at 7:20 AM
I know the mother in law is just a woman of her time but oh, it's hard to like or sympathize with her for me. I don't necessary want badness for her (such as her losing her life or status which I think may be on tap due to her husband's actions) but it really is hard seeing the way she treats Yeo Hwa.
First it was "you're not being mournful enough
over someone you never even met" and now it's "the husband you don't even know has returned after 15 years, get started on the baby making and it needs to be a boy"I just really can't with her.
I want Yeo Hwa get so far away from this family.
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kiara
February 12, 2024 at 9:45 PM
Same Britney. These women were victims of their time. They not only had to struggle to survive but also had to live in a violent and dehumanizing system that favored one gender and one class over others. Lord Seok's vision was to establish a country ruled by the noble class, where the king would only be a figurehead and the noble ministers would run the country. This is quite similar to Jeong Do-jeon, as portrayed in the TV series JDJ and SFD.
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11 Britney
February 12, 2024 at 7:26 AM
So the thing is Soo Ho has always called her "my lady" because I think that's just the normal, formal way if the time but that last scene hit like "my lady" and it just makes me feel for Soo Ho all over again.
I think eariler in the episode he even acknowledged that others didn't have a wrong impression about them [regarding something being there].
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kiara
February 12, 2024 at 9:58 PM
I like "my lady," but I prefer it in Korean. He calls her bu-in, which is a formal and respectful way to address someone else's wife. He would also call her bu-in if she was his wife. What a tease. LOL
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12 Snow Flower
February 12, 2024 at 9:25 AM
The look on Left State Minister's face when his son came home was priceless!
Lee Jong Won was born to wear a hanbok. Now I want to see him with a mane of glory.
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DancingEmma
February 12, 2024 at 12:21 PM
He sure is wonderful in the role as is Lee Hanee and their chemistry has been on fire from the get go. So much for the embarrassing and regressive nonsense about her age. i have been enjoying the schadenfreude because the drama has been popular as well as largely interesting and funny. One in the eye for those people with a patriarchal and sexist mindsets who fervently believe that it is outrageous for an objectively gorgeous 40 year old female actor - who was a former Miss Korea by the way - to sully the screen with a 29 year old male lead.
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Kodra aka Qanon something
February 12, 2024 at 1:01 PM
Since you already cast me as one 🤪, let me tell you that I think that she is a drop dead gorgeus talented actress and that she can be with any age past 18, on and offscreen. I haven't read such comments elsewhere that you are writing but here, on DB, I have read only these complaints about others making those claims.
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DK-Drama 🫘 Giffing n Space Cadetting🍉🌱
February 12, 2024 at 1:50 PM
On Viki you'll find those comments about how she is old and not pretty enough. An others defending her, of course. Or of course, if you are smarter than I am on that point, you never have the comments turned on, so you don't see the miserable idiocy sometimes occurring there.
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Kodra aka Qanon something
February 12, 2024 at 2:27 PM
I don't have Viki, so I wouldn't know. Seems like those are the ususal trolls that should be ignored. They are very active on MDL also. Here they have no chance so maybe that is why I haven't read any of those comments.
chillichocolate
February 13, 2024 at 6:07 AM
Ofcourse, Viki users were complaining about an older actress. Viki and MDL comments are straight from hell. Just a bunch of juvenile losers who watches drama just to fawn over actors. No matter what type of show it is they will find some sort of fault in FL.
Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
February 12, 2024 at 2:41 PM
There were a handful of blatantly sexist/ageist comments in the news and premiere-watch threads here before the show started, unfortunately. It's interesting that I've noticed no mention at all of the age gap between Yoon-hak and Yeon-seon despite the actors having a 17-year age difference in real life. I suppose that's OK because he is older. 🙄 But this is all a *fantasy* anyway, age hasn't been mentioned even once as an issue inside the world of the drama, and it's silly for so many viewers to get their knickers in a twist when everyone is well past the age of consent by any standard.
@CecilieDK "Never read the comments" is my motto almost everywhere but here. Brain cells are precious, limited commodities (well, mine are) and there's no point in killing more of them off by exposure to toxic nonsense.
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Kodra aka Qanon something
February 12, 2024 at 3:32 PM
To be fair, there were a lot of comments complaining about the age gap in My Dearest, elsewhere and even here. So it depends also on the calibe of the actor. The bigger the star, the bigger audience for them, I guess. One should learn to spot them and ignore them if possible, or better to avoid those sites if not.
DancingEmma
February 12, 2024 at 10:38 PM
@elinor: Most def some comments more than others.
indyfan
February 13, 2024 at 9:57 AM
Just for the heck of it, I checked those comments again…and at least one is deleted, making our retorts floating funnily.
But I still see it in subtle ways. Some saying they hate large age gaps (but noticeably only when the female lead is older) or hoping for more age appropriate casting for the ML.
It’s interesting in that DB itself neutral, but it’s the Beanies who’ve set the tone for the comments.
DancingEmma
February 13, 2024 at 1:07 PM
@indyfan: Thanks indy. I always appreciate your kindred spirit.
Those comments about the age gaps on DB have been made for sure in various guises and in many threads for the past 3 years, almost always in the context of the female actors being older than the male leads. Some are overt, others less so. It is the underlying distorted and misogynistic world view - whether consciously expressed or not - which is the more profoundly disturbing aspect.
kiara
February 12, 2024 at 10:15 PM
It was not uncommon for an older woman to marry a younger man in Joseon either. It was more about status than age.
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DancingEmma
February 12, 2024 at 10:44 PM
At least, this one thing could occur in that repressive society because they were more fixated on class and status. Of course, they perpetrated every other conceivable prejudice and bigotry including having slaves.
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kiara
February 13, 2024 at 8:32 AM
In this Korean classic film "Yeollyeomun" or "Bound By Chastity," the bride is a full-grown woman, and the groom is just a child. The match was about their noble status.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm62W7_3hSg&ab_channel=%ED%95%9C%EA%B5%AD%EA%B3%A0%EC%A0%84%EC%98%81%ED%99%94KoreanClassicFilm
DancingEmma
February 13, 2024 at 1:10 PM
@Kiara: Interesting but also yikes. The groom being a child is just as awful as the bride being one. Sigh.
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amfalulawatching
February 14, 2024 at 7:24 AM
Thanks @kiara, I followed your link and watched "Yeollyeomun" or "Bound By Chastity," It was very sad and very beautiful.
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chillichocolate
February 13, 2024 at 6:04 AM
Has there been comments about her age and the age-gap here? I saw some comments on reddit about this but thats reddit. This show is not that popular internationally, so I haven't seen much discussion about it but what I've seen has been positive. I am glad that it is getting double digit figures in Korea.
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DancingEmma
February 13, 2024 at 8:21 AM
There were a few. But my original point wasn’t confined to DB anyway.
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February 14, 2024 at 11:29 AM
https://imgur.com/U9GLaj5
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February 14, 2024 at 11:09 AM
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kiara
February 12, 2024 at 10:07 PM
Lee Jong Won is beau-ti-ful here. 😍 He needs to be in a Goryeo or 3 kingdom-era sageuks so we can see his mane of glory. LOL
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DancingEmma
February 12, 2024 at 10:49 PM
Their casting has been magic. I wonder if this was done in a premeditated way knowing they would have bananas chemistry as @kafiyah-bello would say or it was just a lucky break.
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kiara
February 13, 2024 at 6:37 AM
Maybe both. Honey Lee carries the weight, and his reactions are spot-on. It's a promising start for him, and I hope he lands more leading roles in the future.
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indyfan
February 13, 2024 at 10:00 AM
I’ve noticed a few MLs from sageuks have kept longish hair even after shooting ends—and look amazing. I hope the trend continues.
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13 chillichocolate
February 13, 2024 at 5:33 AM
Can't believe we are already near the end! When I started this drama I wasn't expecting much but Knight Flowers has turned into a refreshing drama with enough comedy, romance and politics to keep everyone intrigued. I am watching Marry My Husband too, and I wish we had switched the episode numbers for both shows. I want more scenes with our lovely couple and now with only 2 episodes to go and so many plot lines, I just hope we get a HE for them.
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indyfan
February 13, 2024 at 10:02 AM
I finally caught up with the latest episodes. Knight Flower has my bean of happiness for sure. But this is one drama I wish wasn’t 12 episodes. So many loose threads. So little time for our OTP. 😭
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DancingEmma
February 13, 2024 at 3:57 PM
If only we could have had much less LSM, his puritanical wife and the other thieving wife of the Minister who offed her violent husband. It never ceases to amaze me how often the balance is off. Assuming this was a network drama, did they have to comply with a Censors’ requirement that we become bored stiff watching these awful individuals instead of enjoying actors who have a proven amazing chemistry together and have enlivened this story? Heavens forbid if we have the latter.
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seyhan
February 14, 2024 at 5:26 AM
I read on twitter today that the final episode will be 85 minutes.
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DancingEmma
February 14, 2024 at 8:37 AM
@seyhan: Thanks for this.
DancingEmma
February 14, 2024 at 11:01 PM
Also, while I’m glad we get 85 minutes, the first sentence of this para worries me:
“ The production team of “Knight Flower” shared, “After careful consideration, we’ve concluded that the intricate conflicts and numerous storylines of the drama cannot be fully realized within the original runtime. Therefore, we have extended the duration [of the final broadcast]. We are making efforts to showcase as much as possible by advancing the broadcast by five minutes. Please continue to anticipate until the end.”
How could they not have anticipated the original run time being inadequate? Did it only occur to them midway through? Did they not realise what a charming main leads they had and how compelling their chemistry was? Or, in the KD world, almost no one ever says what they mean so we have to guess why certain decisions are made.
♡Peach_Mochi♡
February 13, 2024 at 12:36 PM
Right? I can't believe it's going into the final week. A lot to get wrapped up (well, I hope) in just two episodes. Please not one of those endings with only 5 seconds of happy times before the credits.
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14 late as always
February 17, 2024 at 10:03 AM
I loved the Sunbae-hoobae relationship between Jeong and Kkot-nim. So adorable! And it shows that he's a nice guy. I am pretty sure he'll let Yeo Hwa go. But agree with all the commenters about the short shrift being given to the OTP romance. Also to whatever is between Hyung and Yeon Seon. I just want the four of them to go off and live on a nice farm somewhere and be happy. But there are only two episodes to wrap everything up, so I fear we won't get more than suggestions and promises.... Eeee. About to watch the last episodes.
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