[Drama Chat] If you had to recommend ONE drama to a newbie…
by missvictrix
Part of being a K-drama fan means dragging others into the wonderful place we call dramaland. Now, some will be naturally curious and ready to experiment. But others will need to be forced persuaded with that one show that exemplifies all the things we love about dramas — and all the things they do so well — in one tidy 16-episode package.
What’s that ONE DRAMA you would recommend to someone who wants to dip their toe into the K-drama universe, and why is it your pick?
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1 Reply1988 - 🍊Mother Bean🍊
February 25, 2024 at 5:12 AM
Yumi’s cells as I describe it as an adult version of Inside out. It’s very funny, shows a lot of tropes but is not tired and has an interesting take on a love story. I think it’s a gentle introduction and is to relate to as it’s a romance.
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Reply1988 - 🍊Mother Bean🍊
February 25, 2024 at 5:13 AM
*easy
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Isa is always time travelling
February 25, 2024 at 1:21 PM
That's a show I always think would be a perfect drama for a start. It's so well written!
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Reply1988 - 🍊Mother Bean🍊
February 25, 2024 at 1:26 PM
🥰 It really is, different but not too different so a gentle introduction but once in they would want to watch more.
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kiara
February 26, 2024 at 5:49 AM
Are they working on the 3rd, or is it done? Kim Go-eun seems busy with other projects.
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Reply1988 - 🍊Mother Bean🍊
February 26, 2024 at 5:53 AM
I don’t think so, a few beanies said they gave scenes from the third partner to Babi so there would not be a lot of original story to play with.
kiara
February 26, 2024 at 5:55 AM
I see. Thank you!
Isa is always time travelling
February 26, 2024 at 6:22 AM
Unfortunately, I think we will never see a third season.
But that would be my favorite sequel, if I could make a wish.
2 aicaramba
February 25, 2024 at 5:21 AM
Oh no. No no no no. ONE DRAMA?! How could you do this to me (and many others, I'm sure) @missvictrix?! I didn't want to answer this question, but I'll be thinking and rethinking about it for weeks if I don't give an answer now. So here goes...
GOBLIN. It's funny, romantic, exciting, heart-wrenching, epic. It's not perfect, but it's a very strong gateway drug, er, drama.
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Seon-ha
February 25, 2024 at 6:10 AM
Would you warn the newb about the ending?
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aicaramba
February 25, 2024 at 7:03 AM
Nah. I did think about that before I chose the drama, but I know a couple of people who started with it and didn't have very strong opinions about the ending. It was their first drama, after all. They're not yet as savvy as regular beanies.
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23new2kdrama 🌱❤️🪦RIP FAN WALL❤️
February 25, 2024 at 5:15 PM
Yes! I think a newbie need a perfect happy ending. Goblin an amazing show and top 10 ever but hard ending to start with-in my humble opinion
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Ahjummaaa
February 25, 2024 at 9:14 PM
viewers from the West may be weirded by the main romance between a grown man and a student in a uniform. I know that it bothered me in the back of my mind and I wasn't able to immerse in their relationship although I thought the ending was touching. I wasn't gutted though by it. It's the second leads' story that was more heartbreaking and really got to me. But in a good way, it made me feel the feels. The sound design was also really good in this drama. It felt like film quality. Not too mention the music was really good too.
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Ahjummaaa
February 25, 2024 at 9:10 PM
Goblin is poetry.
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3 welh
February 25, 2024 at 5:40 AM
It depends on their time tolerance to new things:
If it is a movie, PARASITE
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welh
February 25, 2024 at 5:41 AM
If it is a short series, BABYSITTER.
If it is a normal run series, ALONE IN LOVE.
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Reply1988 - 🍊Mother Bean🍊
February 25, 2024 at 6:01 AM
I started alone in love but the picture quality was not that good. It also is clearly an older drama and that might not give a good impression of the directing etc and uniquely K-drama elements in prep for a modern follow up if they like that drama.
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kiara
February 26, 2024 at 5:53 AM
Maybe it's a good rec for an older person. My mom would re-watch old dramas over and over. She thinks that most of the new K-dramas have lost their Koreaness.
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4 Kurama
February 25, 2024 at 5:41 AM
It depends on the person.
If it's a romantic open person, I can advice a very Kdrama-esque drama with tropes, beautiful leads, good kiss scenes ;
If it's "just" a romantic person, I would choose something more slice of life to turn down the Kdrama-esque side ;
If it's someone who doesn't like romance and more interested in action or darker story, I would choose more like an OCN/Netflix/Disney drama.
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Britney
February 25, 2024 at 12:37 PM
Eh, I like the OCN/Netflix/Disney+ shows haha
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5 Seon-ha
February 25, 2024 at 6:00 AM
King the Land.
1. It is recent.
2. It introduces the tropes and then some, and so if the person likes such things...they're definitely in for a lot of fun as they get into more dramas.
3. It's got romance, lots of comedy, and some seriousness--but not too much seriousness, like "nature of the human experience" serious.
4. K-dramas often have "that one weird thing" that makes you really scratch your head...KtL minimizes that weirdness to secondary characters.
5-∞. Junho.
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Reply1988 - 🍊Mother Bean🍊
February 25, 2024 at 6:44 AM
If they like King the land and then go on to other romance with comedy they will be confused by the noble idiocy break up and poor communication, the wasted air time on annoying second leads and the random stalker plot😬😆
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Seon-ha
February 25, 2024 at 7:05 AM
There won't be a drama that encapsulates everything engaging about lighter K-dramas, but for me King the Land comes the closest most recently. It's a balanced show, and I feel that it stands as an excellent "most typical of class" example of drama rom-coms today.
I also remember thinking at the time that I would have enjoyed KtL more had I not already seen the dramas that I think you're referring to, Reply, and that is yet one more reason that it is my choice for this prompt.
Also, Junho. My newbie won't get that sort of kissing in many other dramas, either...but that doesn't dissuade me from my recommendation in the least.
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Reply1988 - 🍊Mother Bean🍊
February 25, 2024 at 8:17 AM
I like your thinking that if they watch this drama first it will serve them better than the other way round☺️
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Midnight
February 25, 2024 at 8:17 AM
That is exactly what I thought! 😆
But I was so happy so see my fave mentioned that I decided to let them be disappointed/confused ever after!! 😆
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Midnight
February 25, 2024 at 8:15 AM
Hurray!
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23new2kdrama 🌱❤️🪦RIP FAN WALL❤️
February 25, 2024 at 5:21 PM
I could vote for that. It really is the perfect happy romance show. No long time jumps, no long misunderstanding, funny laugh out loud scenes. Really a perfect first show
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6 panshel
February 25, 2024 at 6:42 AM
It has to be Crash Landing on You. It's the quintessential rom-com, and it was a blockbuster hit, so they may have heard of it or know someone who has watched it. (But personally I never recommend K-dramas to people or try to drag others into dramaland.)
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Healer’s
February 25, 2024 at 7:56 AM
(Me neither).
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23new2kdrama 🌱❤️🪦RIP FAN WALL❤️
February 25, 2024 at 5:26 PM
Interesting that you don't recommend. Are people just too critical of the genre? I even got my dentist to watch Attorney Woo. But most people don't know I watch
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Healer’s
February 25, 2024 at 9:40 PM
Personally, I think watching Kdramas is not just about finishing a show, it's the understanding of all things that made Kdramas different from other series: the tropes, the pacing, the feeling like reading a novel with a beginning and an end, the meta-references,... So I just feel recommending a show is sort of futile in that sense. We all have access to all types of info, so if one wants to step into Kdrama land, they can try out 1 or 2 shows on their own decision. It takes time to get into it. Of course, I'm happy to make my suggestions when asked. I just don't actively try to convince anyone to watch any show.
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23new2kdrama 🌱❤️🪦RIP FAN WALL❤️
February 26, 2024 at 7:22 PM
I can definitely see your point. Entertainment is a very personal experience. And time is precious. Most people I know don't have the time to spend watching a 16-20 hour drama, especially when first introduced.
All of the things you mentioned are exactly why I was drawn to dramas, but I definitely had to be in the right time and mindset to dive in
Elinor
February 25, 2024 at 8:09 AM
I agree about CLOY and I'm amazed it isn't higher up in this thread - but maybe that's because it was my gateway drama. I know people on DB who haven't loved it, of course, but I don't know anyone in real life who didn't. I've launched a few people into dramaland by recommending it. Also, equally: Healer. Wait, let me say that louder for the folks in the back: HEALER.
Depending on the person's tastes, I might suggest Beyond Evil for mystery/thriller, I'm Not a Robot for quirkiness, fantasy, and feels, or 1% of Something (2016) for classic rom-com with tropes aplenty.
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panshel
February 25, 2024 at 8:42 AM
I was also amazed that CLOY wasn't mentioned earlier and isn't being used as the header image. To me, it's the only correct answer to this question.
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Reply1988 - 🍊Mother Bean🍊
February 25, 2024 at 8:57 AM
🤣👉🏾 ‘To me, it's the only correct answer to this question’.
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panshel
February 25, 2024 at 9:05 AM
It's also amusing how the prompt says "ONE DRAMA" in capital letters, yet Beanies are listing their entire watch list. 🙃
Elinor
February 25, 2024 at 9:53 AM
@panshel "Using the prompt as a springboard and going freestyle" is a major event in the Beanie Olympics. 🥇
bomibeans
February 25, 2024 at 10:59 AM
@elinor Let’s not forget nested replies within replies within replies within replies to the point when the reader lost the whole context of the initial prompt/thesis, and only few beanies now joke between themselves, and that joke “reappears” in multitude of other comments to unrelated posts and all the other beanies are scratching their heads trying to figure out why the beanies are suddenly bringing up “talking horse”. 😂😂
FormAnOrderlyQueue
February 26, 2024 at 4:15 PM
Absolutely! I used it as a gateway drama to a couple in their 60s. They loved it - wanted to watch an episode every night. And they really were annoyed at the ending :) :)
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Babylilo
February 27, 2024 at 11:57 AM
I lost my Kdrama virginity to CLOY, and haven't looked back since. But as others have said, you need to know your audience. My brother couldn't even make it through the first episode--he thought the FL was silly and obnoxious. On the other hand, he loved Mr. Sunshine. His wife was captivated by Misty. Another sister-in-law enjoyed Extraordinary Attorney Woo. There's really no one-size-fits-all show.
Unfortunately, none of the relatives I just mentioned has watched another Kdrama. I stopped giving them recommendations after a couple of tries.
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Beebop
February 28, 2024 at 2:57 AM
Yay! I’m not alone - I’m slogging through CLOY right now and the FL is silly and annoying. Every time she starts being tolerable she does or says something completely obnoxious & I don’t know what Binnie sees in her!!! I don’t think I like the writer’s FL’s - I didn’t finish YFAS as I’m the one person on this earth who didn’t find Cheon Song yi cool and endearing….
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Midnight
February 28, 2024 at 3:23 AM
I found Cheon Song yi a lot worse than not cool and endearing...
And I don't like any of this writer's characters, no matter male or female.
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Babylilo
February 28, 2024 at 1:19 PM
I found the FLs in both Crash Landing and My Love From the Star annoying at first, but they grew on me pretty quickly. I think it's a testament to both actresses' abilities to show how their characters grow and develop over time. It's also a reminder to me that I shouldn't necessarily judge people based on my first impression of them. More than one close friend has told me that they didn't really like me when we first met!
But that's just my reaction... everyone sees things through their own personal lens.
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Beebop
February 28, 2024 at 7:23 PM
Certainly cannot disagree with your viewpoint - I only wish that applied to me for these beloved dramas, really wanted to love both. I dropped YFAS at ep10 and I’m watching ep10 CLOY in 20 min increments - I think I’ll finish it for the sake of it. Just goes to show how “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” applies!
Babylilo
February 28, 2024 at 8:03 PM
For me, life’s too short to spend time forcing myself to keep watching a show I’m not enjoying. My motto: “If the show’s a flop, it’s okay to drop.” 👎🏼
Tizzy
February 27, 2024 at 11:14 PM
It's definitely CLOY for me. Everyone I know whose first dram is CLOY, loved it and got hooked to Kdrama after that!
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Charlotte
February 29, 2024 at 1:35 AM
I wouldn't be watching KDramas at all if someone hadn't recommended them to me. It just took a Korean friend to describe the plot of 'Fated to Love You' and I was on board, then looked for every drama Jang Hyuk was in next. Two years later, after watching a few with me, my sister and her partner decided to subscribe to Viki because of Doctor Stranger. Now my nephew watches with his teenagers and happy me...my teen grandniece and her boyfriend join me every saturday night for supper & two episodes of "Crash Landing on You". It's her boyfriend's 'first' and he surprised me by how much he comments and asks questions. I think they'll love 'Moving" next.
There's also three other friends who liked my recommendations and are watching regularly. We meet once a month for snacks and watch a first episode of something we haven't seen, new or old, then discuss it ...like a book club. It took 8 years to spread the word... but it's nice to finally have a KD buddy-watch group to share thoughts with. So yes, my vote for someone new would definitely be "Crash Landing On You."
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7 mmmmm
February 25, 2024 at 6:46 AM
Descended from the Sun because it is the drama that got me back into Kdramaland.
I think it's very fun and swoony to watch. The OTP and the second lead couple are worth rooting for. Cinematography is gorgeous. I think it is one prototypical Kdrama.
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panshel
February 25, 2024 at 7:03 AM
But with a warning to never look up the leads online while watching in case it ruins the immersion.
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mmmmm
February 25, 2024 at 7:11 AM
Good suggestion.
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Ahjummaaa
February 25, 2024 at 9:19 PM
lol...
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8 Healer’s
February 25, 2024 at 6:48 AM
Taxi driver 2
Because:
1. The story is catchy and easy to follow.
2. Quiet male lead but not the weirdly quiet type. He speaks and does so eloquently when he needs to.
3. The male lead is good in actions. A bit too good that it enters the territory of superhero but that’s what makes it addictive.
4. Smart and brave female lead.
5. Endearing supporting characters.
6. Humour done right. Not too gory. Happy ending for main characters. Some hint at romance.
7. No toilet jokes.
8. If one is interested enough, there’s season 1 to binge and season 3 to anticipate.
9. If one is interested in the male lead, there’s Signal to dig deeper into Kdrama land.
10. After Signal, the rest is history.
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Healer’s
February 25, 2024 at 8:47 AM
If one needs something more swoony, I'll recommend Dr. Slump. I've finished ep10 and it's hitting all the right notes for me.
If one is interested in a historical setting, then Knight Flower would fit the bill.
The reasons I recommend these 2 shows:
- light and fluffy enough but not superficial
- not tropey in a Kdrama typical way.
- fun and entertaining
- good pacing, not too fast not too slow
- leads are gorgeous to look at
- not too long (although I'm not sure if Dr. Slump keeps being this good the last 6 eps)
- I like how the romance developed in these shows.
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23new2kdrama 🌱❤️🪦RIP FAN WALL❤️
February 25, 2024 at 5:32 PM
Would love to watch Signal, and Stealer The Treasure Keeper but in US they aren't on major steaming- Netflix, Amazon, Disney+. Not even Viki.
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Clios Servant
February 25, 2024 at 6:12 PM
I'm in the Midwest. Stealer free on Tubi here:
https://tubitv.com/series/300001002/stealer-the-treasure-keeper
I believe I watched the extraordinary Signal on Netflix. But it is now also free on Tubi here:
https://tubitv.com/series/300009893/signal-subbed
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23new2kdrama 🌱❤️🪦RIP FAN WALL❤️
February 25, 2024 at 6:51 PM
Thank you!! I looked at Tubi but assumed it had a cost involved. Does that mean they have commercials? I just watched Marriage not Dating on Amazon Freevee- it was the only way- and it was sooo painful. I'm really picky about ads.
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OldLawyer
February 25, 2024 at 9:00 PM
Tubi may also be ad supported. Until about a year ago it was still possible to watch it on Viki.
But I know what you mean about ads. I hate them.
Clios Servant
February 26, 2024 at 3:54 AM
I don't believe either of these has ads on Tubi, but could be wrong. I stopped watching television for 30 years (with exceptions for things like baseball world series) because of ads. If there's ads, I'm out of there. I don't have enough time in my life to waste on storytelling interrupted by ads.
23new2kdrama 🌱❤️🪦RIP FAN WALL❤️
February 26, 2024 at 6:31 PM
"I don't have enough time in my life to waste on storytelling interrupted by ads."
This goes on my quote of the year board!!!
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Babylilo
February 27, 2024 at 12:08 PM
Stealer is also on the Roku Channel, at least in Northeast/Mid-Atlantic USA. I'm pretty sure it's free with commercials.
Roku Channel is also the only place I've been able to find Circle: Two Worlds Connected, which I can't recommend highly enough, especially if you are into sci-fi/fantasy and/or Yeo Jin-Goo.
Signal has hopped around... from Netflix to Viki, and currently to Paramount+. (Does anyone know anyone who actually subscribes to Paramount+?)
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ahjummabunny
February 26, 2024 at 1:07 AM
Taxi Driver is actually an excellent starter kdrama! It has the quirkiness of kdramas with an approachable action-vigilante story. Does not require too much commitment in the language department. Because kdramas in translation are only as good as subs and this is not a subbers dig, but the shows are so much better when you know korean.
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9 emsel
February 25, 2024 at 7:07 AM
To hook my friends, I try narrating or showing clips of swoony scenes, but none worked. I later realized that no amount of persuasion would work until and unless people discover the fun in kdramas by themselves.
Recently, one of my friends asked for K-rom-com recommendations because they were bored with the other language offerings. Guess what she chose? Bora Debora . A drama that I did not suggest and dropped at Ep 1. I warned her that it had criticism on the behaviour of the female, but she enjoyed it so much that she completed the drama within a week.
To conclude, it is much easier to recommend dramas to people who are already K-fans than to get a person into this field.
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panshel
February 25, 2024 at 8:28 AM
Personally, I think swoony scenes are meaningless without context. I had looked up two kiss scenes from dramas that I was not watching but people were squeeing over (Good Job Ep 10 and The Law Cafe Ep 11), but I was devoid of any feeling because I didn't know the characters. I think you have to watch the OTP's slow-burn romance yourself to make the buildup to the kiss worth it.
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Midnight
February 25, 2024 at 8:44 AM
I agree. I only look up kiss scenes if I have read all of the recaps.
(Not to mention that I watched all of Good Job and still felt nothing for the kiss.)
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Healer’s
February 25, 2024 at 8:51 AM
I also think handsome faces are meaningless without context. I'm not smitten by a handsome face without seeing him in action.
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Midnight
February 25, 2024 at 9:18 AM
Yes! Very true.
emsel
February 25, 2024 at 9:35 AM
😂😂😂 but the numbers speak otherwise because there are instances where a specific shower/shirtless scene brings more traffic to a drama.
23new2kdrama 🌱❤️🪦RIP FAN WALL❤️
February 25, 2024 at 5:36 PM
And I didn't think an Asian man was that attractive until I started watching Dramas- I know strike me with lightning!!! So most people won't be dawn to that. Now- only Asian please (except my husband and sons🤣🤣🤣)
emsel
February 25, 2024 at 9:31 AM
I don't think "swoon" is strictly related to kiss scenes. It can be loosely attributed to any simple gesture of care like holding hands, holding umbrellas (common theme in kdramas) etc., In fact, it doesn't even have to be a gesture because Kdramas are full of beautiful dialogues and sometimes words are enough to make one swoon ❤
Plus, there are a lot of clips by fans in youtube/Insta/Twitter who do edits with context in a precise manner because the attention span of people on internet is less.
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Babylilo
February 27, 2024 at 12:12 PM
I'm a sucker for a charming smile. 😁
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Kodra aka Qanon something
February 25, 2024 at 10:37 AM
I agree in most of the cases, but not all. I confess that I went and saw Anothr Miss OH after seeing the kiss here.
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mmmmm
February 25, 2024 at 11:13 AM
Well, the kiss scenes in Another Miss Oh are HOT 🥵. Ahh.. that kiss scene against the wall. *fans self*
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Kodra aka Qanon something
February 25, 2024 at 11:21 AM
That ONE! I had to, not strong enough 🤣🤣
Isa is always time travelling
February 25, 2024 at 1:32 PM
I didn't like that drama but the kiss is impossible to forget.
Kodra aka Qanon something
February 25, 2024 at 1:48 PM
@isagc
It was okish, I didn't hate it, but didn't loved it also. I liked the sound effects behind the scenes part. And the deja vu angle was interesting. But the kiss was hot even if I didn't see the drama first, that was why I commented here.
bomibeans
February 25, 2024 at 10:49 AM
UNLESS, there’s something magnificent in the swooney scene that captures the imagination. For example, when I saw the splendid costumes and opulence of surrounding in swooney scenes of Faith (the only second kdrama I saw), I knew, I had to check it out cause I’d die from unfulfilled imagination. Worked like a magic charm on me, lol
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10 wonhwa
February 25, 2024 at 7:13 AM
That's tricky, because it depends on both the specific genres that people like as well as the availability of any given show. As someone who doesn't typically seek out romances, I'm not sure I've have ever entered dramaland if the first recommendations I'd gotten had been typical "gateway" shows like Crash Landing on You or Boys Over Flowers. I'm also guessing newbies won't want to put up with ads or subscribe to drama-specific sites like Viki. My first instinct would be to recommend some of my favorite sageuks, since that's what got me into dramas, but none of those are currently available on "mainstream" sites. Therefore, based on what's currently on Netflix and assuming the person shared similar tastes with me, I'd probably go with Stranger, My Mister or Beyond Evil. They're all shows that feature great acting, writing and directing, and are pretty accessible to someone who's never seen a Korean show, although they won't work for the folks looking for breezy, sweet, or swoony.
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emsel
February 25, 2024 at 7:32 AM
They're all shows that feature great acting, writing and directing, and are pretty accessible to someone who's never seen a Korean show
Now this makes me wonder what would be the factor that draws new people to Kdramas apart from their genre preference. Would tight script and great acting win over a subpar story that is mindless fun like "Boys Over Flowers" or "Squid Game"?
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wonhwa
February 25, 2024 at 7:50 AM
I'd definitely prefer a great script and great acting, but yeah, someone just looking for a fun watch would probably make totally different choices. If easy accessibility were a non-issue, I might go with something like Twinkling Watermelon, which is both a delight to watch and has a very distinctively Korean mix of humor and serious themes.
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Reply1988 - 🍊Mother Bean🍊
February 25, 2024 at 8:20 AM
Twinkling watermelon is a great suggestion.
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23new2kdrama 🌱❤️🪦RIP FAN WALL❤️
February 25, 2024 at 5:39 PM
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23new2kdrama 🌱❤️🪦RIP FAN WALL❤️
February 25, 2024 at 5:42 PM
Perfect idea!!! Has enough of everything- story, music, romance, mystery and the happy ending a newbie needs
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peiyeelai
February 25, 2024 at 8:06 AM
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peiyeelai
February 25, 2024 at 8:46 AM
I will opt for the heavy dramas that emphasize on social commentaries, crimes, and non-romancy these days. Mr Ahjussi, Stranger, and Beyond Evil is something what I go for these days. Outgrew the stage where I-only-go-for-romance.
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Babylilo
February 27, 2024 at 12:25 PM
Netflix has some good-to-excellent sageuks, including: Under the Queen's Umbrella, Mr. Queen, 100 Days My Prince, Rookie Historian Goo Hae Ryung, The King's Affection, and most recently, Capture the King.
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11 Blue (@mayhemf)
February 25, 2024 at 7:14 AM
So far, I think five people around me have started watching kdramas. And depending on the type of person I either recommend ‘Stranger’ or ‘Weightlifting Fairy/CLOY’ or both.
Both have had high success rates.
My follow up drama recommendations will depend on which one they liked better. My dad loved Stranger and I recommended ‘My Ahjushi’ and he had since become a IU fan 😅.
Other dramas recommended were Vincenzo, Extraordinary Attorney and Hyena.
For romcom, there is a lot of options.
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12 Ally
February 25, 2024 at 7:25 AM
I know a lot of people got hooked on CLOY and became kdrama fans during the pandemic. That would be my recommendation. Goblin is too heavy to start with, but obviously, my favorite.
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Maddy116
February 25, 2024 at 3:44 PM
If I look at my behaviour I started with "something in the rain".
What did it for me? The visuals... I mean the cinematography. The colourful umbrella's in the rain vision seen from an above shot... then the story drew me in. And the fact a drama has an ending. 16 episodes, more or less.
I got tired of series with no-ending and each season a cliffhanger.
I drew other people in dramaland through the Goblin and Romance is a bonusbook.
Goblin is like a fairytale for adults and Gong Yoo is a nice desert.
Romance is a bonus book appealed to readers of books and Lee Jong Suk is nice to look at.
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Reply1988 - 🍊Mother Bean🍊
February 26, 2024 at 6:09 PM
Wow! You need an award for perseverance to have that drama as your intro to K-dramaland themes; the role of the OST in the storytelling, the evil two faced status driven character who likes the person but not as a potential partner, sexism in the work place, noble idiocy, complex family dynamics, and nightmare boyfriends running alongside the best chemistry and portrayal of the joy of a relationship in the early phases.
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Maddy116
February 27, 2024 at 4:08 PM
It sound crazy, but I was first attracted to the way it was filmed (as I said before) and then I was fascinated by the things that happened.
After I watched with horror how the mother hit the adult daughter. (Sexism in the workplace was appalling, but it was a theme I had seen in other movies before, so it didn't faze me as much as the mother hitting the daughter).
After something in the rain I started to read first all things about Korea.
Then Netflix released "Romance is a bonus book" and afterwards I kept watching more dramas. Nr 1 on my list is my ajussi.
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Reply1988 - 🍊Mother Bean🍊
February 27, 2024 at 6:14 PM
You found some great contrasting dramas to get the spectrum of cultural stories. Reading up definitely helps fills the gap. I went for podcasts and reading fiction.
lapislazulii
February 26, 2024 at 6:11 PM
Funnily enough Goblin was my first drama - it did set the bar high in terms of drama ngl hahahah
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Ally
February 27, 2024 at 7:42 AM
I think it might set the bar too high. 😆
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13 Bunny Sonaki
February 25, 2024 at 7:40 AM
Our Beloved Summer
Twinkling Watermelon
18 Again
The Matchmakers
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Bunny Sonaki
February 25, 2024 at 7:43 AM
To get a newbie hooked on the Kdrama world, I believe it is better to start with light-hearted dramas.
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Reply1988 - 🍊Mother Bean🍊
February 25, 2024 at 8:23 AM
I love these suggestions, 18 Again is based on an American film so would be great. I avoided sageuk’s as I think it may be too hard to understand the specific dynamics associated with them.
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Midnight
February 25, 2024 at 9:10 AM
I actually feel the reverse. Maybe because I started with sageuks myself? But I feel one learns so much about specific Korean customs and relationships, while being easier to accept because of it being a completely different genre from any show from their own country.
Afterwards it might feel rather funny to see most of those customs in modern dramas but it would be more graspable because one has formed a basis for them already...
At least that is how it was for me... I learned nearly everything about Korean hierarchy, obligations, names, and beliefs from Dae Jang Geum and a few other ones I watched first.
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wonhwa
February 25, 2024 at 9:30 AM
Yeah, my first three dramas were Jumong, Dae Jang Geum, and Queen Seondeok so my sense of what might get someone hooked also skews strongly "really long historicals".
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Midnight
February 25, 2024 at 9:44 AM
I don't think anyone nowadays has the time or patience to start with really long historicals so I won't recommend them. But I do believe that they are the best for understanding a lot if you are in for the long run.
Snow Flower
February 25, 2024 at 9:49 AM
My first drama was Faith, and my second drama was Sungkyungkwan Scandal. I was completely clueless about Korean history and culture, but these dramas made me curious.
kiara
February 25, 2024 at 1:02 PM
Same @wonhwa and a lot of beanies from the old days.
kiara
February 25, 2024 at 1:13 PM
@midnight,
That's exactly why I don't recommend the likes of Dae Jang Geum that we were addicted to. Even I will struggle to finish a 20 eps Kdrama these days. In my early days, I didn't have a problem sitting through a 100 eps sageuk.
It's weird because I don't have a problem watching Cdramas with 40 eps like A Journey To Love or Joy Of Life etc.
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wonhwa
February 25, 2024 at 2:00 PM
I do think an issue with more recent k-dramas is that the episodes have gotten a lot longer. It's weird, but for me a 50 episode show with 45 minute to hour-long episodes feels much less daunting than a 16 episode show where every episode runs 90 minutes or more.
Babylilo
February 28, 2024 at 8:14 PM
Empress Ki was my second Kdrama. I was completely absorbed from beginning to end, even though in retrospect I realize I would have missed a lot of the historical and cultural context.
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23new2kdrama 🌱❤️🪦RIP FAN WALL❤️
February 25, 2024 at 5:52 PM
My second drama was a sageuk- The Kings Affection and I watched because I wanted another show by Park Eun-Bin. My first was Attorney Woo. I like history so it was very interesting.
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Bunny Sonaki
February 25, 2024 at 10:20 PM
Sorry for the late reply. You are right about Sageuks being hard but since the matchmakers was more fusion and had a lot of comedy scenes, I thought it would be different.
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Reply1988 - 🍊Mother Bean🍊
February 25, 2024 at 10:33 PM
I agree as a fusion Matchmakers is a great gateway into sageuks as it’s very sweet and has a great king and queen. The beanies above also made good points about the enjoyment they had starting with quality sageuks back in the day. I watched epic Chinese fantasy and fact based historical dramas in the early stages of watching Chinese dramas and enjoyed them. So i agree with the general message that the recommendation will be dependent on the person’s genre preference.
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Healer’s
February 25, 2024 at 11:24 PM
My childhood wouldn’t have been the same without Chinese fact-based historical dramas :-)
Goyangi and the Camel Crickets
February 26, 2024 at 5:43 PM
I love history but knew nothing about Korea w,hen I first started watching Kdramas. My first sageuk was very confusing! After I'd watched a few more modern dramas I was able to appreciate a sageuk. So I agree I wouldn't recommend starting with one. And I wish my first had been a fusion one as these are easier for a newbie to understand
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Grand Sophy
February 25, 2024 at 3:59 PM
That's a lovely selection.
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14 peiyeelai
February 25, 2024 at 7:54 AM
For romcom lovers: Boys Over Flowers, Crash Landing On You, Coffee Prince, Goong, Full House, My Name is Kim Sam Soon, King The Land.
For melodrama lovers: The Four Season dramas (Autumn in My Heart, Winter Sonata, Summer Scent and Autumn in My Heart).
For legal drama lovers: Extraordinary Attorney Woo, Juvenile Justice, Stranger, Attorney Shin, Innocent Defendant, I Hear Your Voice, Law School, May It Please the Court, Hyena, The Good Wife, While You Were Sleeping, Punch).
For medical drama lovers: Romantic Doctor Kim, Hospital Playlist, Daily Dose of Sunshine, Good Doctor, Doctor Prisoner).
For thriller-lovers: City Hunter, Moving, Vincenzo, Taxi Driver, Healer, Kingdom, Signal, My Name, Mask Girl, Happiness, Flower of Evil, Through the Darkness, Mouse, Save Me, Nobody Knows, Voice, Tell Me What You Saw, Blind).
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peiyeelai
February 25, 2024 at 8:02 AM
History: Mostly light/fusion dramas like Hwarang, Live Up to Your Name, Sungkyunkwan Scandal, Alchemy of Souls, 100 Days, My Prince, Flower Knight, Matchmaker, Arang and the Magistrate, The Tale of Nokdu, Royal Secret Agent, Forbidden Marriage, Poong, Joseon Attorney, Lovers of the Red Sky, The Secret Romantic Guesthouse, Mr Queen.
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Reply1988 - 🍊Mother Bean🍊
February 25, 2024 at 8:31 AM
It’s interesting that you have so many from different genres, would you literally just give them the list or would you choose one randomly?
I am also interested in the age of some of the dramas as there may be elements that didn’t age well. I also worry about the unique elements of the ‘in your face’ work place bullying or sexism that a lot of the older dramas have. Good doctor they are outrageously prejudiced and I am not sure someone watching that today would be able to understand how that is not against the law, basic HR policies about acceptable behaviour towards colleagues etc with no context to the Korean drama sledge hammer approach to diversity and sensitive matters.
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February 25, 2024 at 8:37 AM
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peiyeelai
February 25, 2024 at 8:40 AM
I basically started off as someone who prefer watching the lighter dramas (think romcom and romance only) then gradually move on to the more serious, heavy and less romancey genres like medical, saeguk, slice-of-life and thrillers. So i thought of giving the dramas that I watched since I was a teenager till I am 37 years old (my current age).
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Reply1988 - 🍊Mother Bean🍊
February 25, 2024 at 8:54 AM
Thanks, that makes sense☺️
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15 Kodra aka Qanon something
February 25, 2024 at 8:52 AM
I would recommend Healer due to being a drama that is as close to the westerns one that I have seen. It is action packed, good romance with a happy ending, great backstory with enough mistery to keep you hooked and other elements that are familiar to the majority pf non k-drama watchers. The korean traditions and customs are not the main focus, those are things that will draw them out because of not understanding or not being familiar with. Of course, for someone like me, those things attracted me more, but I know, from talking to many around me, I am an exception and not the norm.
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Kodra aka Qanon something
February 25, 2024 at 9:06 AM
And I forgot to add that if you don't crave to watch more of Ji Chang-wook and therefore more kdramas, I don't know what will. My first kdrama was a sageuk, of course, I told you I am special that way, but one of his.
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Snow Flower
February 25, 2024 at 9:51 AM
Warrior Baek Dong Soo?
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panshel
February 25, 2024 at 10:04 AM
My guess would be Empress Ki.
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Kodra aka Qanon something
February 25, 2024 at 10:22 AM
No, Empress Ki. Then I watched Healer and some others with him and I was hooked.
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Snow Flower
February 25, 2024 at 10:32 AM
I just finished rewatching Healer. My first JCW drama was Warrior BDS. Excellent music and cinematography, plenty of manes of glory, so I forgave the messy plot and ignored the last episode.
Kodra aka Qanon something
February 25, 2024 at 10:56 AM
I didn't see it but I will look into it and give it a try, thanks. I still have a few sageuks clasics to see. I am halfway done with Rebel, I paused it because of CTK and JJS.
Snow Flower
February 25, 2024 at 11:00 AM
Have you watched The Slave Hunters? It is my favorite sageuk.
Kodra aka Qanon something
February 25, 2024 at 11:09 AM
I tried it and paused it. Although it had my manly man Jang Hyuk, it just felt tacky some of the racy shots at the beginning. Not that I am a prude, I do enjoy some well manufactured and preserved skin, but it just felt unrealistic. I will watch it for sure and tell you about it.
Snow Flower
February 25, 2024 at 10:05 AM
Or Empress Ki?
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Beebop
February 28, 2024 at 7:29 PM
Couldn’t agree more - I think Healer is such a well done all rounder drama. I live watched it back in the day and it kept me engaged and guessing with the appropriate amount of swoony romance interwoven with an interesting backstory and present day impact. I loved both leads and the supporting cast. It’s also one that would live up to a revisit.
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16 jerrykuvira
February 25, 2024 at 9:04 AM
It depends on the genre.
Do you want fun? Mr. Queen.
Do you want heavy social commentary? Life.
Melo-romance? You Are My Spring.
Rom-com? Business Proposal.
It all depends on the genre.
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17 Gum Shoe
February 25, 2024 at 9:10 AM
Crash Landing on You. It's not even my favorite or even in my top ten. However, it is a good introduction to kdramas as there is romance between two beautiful people who are good actors and a small town feel (the North Korea part is the best part of the drama IMO) which shows the longing of the "simpler life" (before subways or Subways) and sense of community. CLOY has a lot of elements that are hallmark kdramas (the production, the fashion, the relationships) that if you like them, you can delve deeper in other dramas that explore them more fully.
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kiara
February 25, 2024 at 9:42 AM
I've suggested several dramas that don't appeal to me, but align with that person's preference. Yeah, "Boys Over Flower" is one of those.
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Neolttwigi
February 25, 2024 at 5:16 PM
CLOY is so recommended, but I have never even been able to start it. The thought of a romanticised DPRK (NK) gives me shudders.
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Gum Shoe
February 25, 2024 at 5:31 PM
CLOY does not romanticize the DPRK government. As someone descendant from people who came from the north and still have extended family who live there (there but the grace of God might have been my fate) I have no problems with depictions of the people of now North Korea being people, which is what most of the first part of the drama is.
I think one thing that the drama tapped into was the separation aspect of the Korea—my older relatives all felt the trauma of having to leave their home in the north and there was an intense longing to be reunified with those that couldn’t leave. That theme resonated with me.
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Neolttwigi
February 25, 2024 at 10:59 PM
I think one of my main sticking points is knowing how much starvation and health problems there are there- so having good looking kdrama stars acting in those roles hurts. (I have complicated family ties to NK as well)
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Gum Shoe
February 26, 2024 at 1:25 AM
I understand, and that is a perfectly valid reason to not watch it. I think CLOY is a well-made drama and that is why I would suggest it as an intro to a newbie. But it certainly is the case that it won’t work for everyone. I have dramas I won’t watch or will drop quickly if an aspect or theme disagrees with me—even if the show is very popular or people are raving about it. After all, it’s just a drama, and watching a show should entertain, be thought-provoking or have some net positive value to the viewer. I am grateful to be able to watch or not watch what I want and respect the right of others to do the same.
Kodra aka Qanon something
February 25, 2024 at 8:38 PM
I agree with @pynyc. It is a beautiful drama that I enjoyed a lot. The reason I didn't choose it is because I didn't like the ending that much but you might like it. I think it portrays life of normal people in a comunist country the best and is against NK or comunist leadership. Some things that were so close to my experience was the electricity being cut, making food from scratch, doing exercises in the morning, watching clindestine western movies. Or their experience in a western world for the first time. I am sure there more examples as such but I have seen it a long time ago and I do not remember all. It is a good story that reminded me that the majority of people are good in the world and we share same values no matter where we are from.
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Snow Flower
February 26, 2024 at 5:51 AM
Agree with every word.
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Ahjummaaa
February 27, 2024 at 10:35 AM
you're right, the parts you mentioned were the most valuable parts totally worth watching. the parts I didn't like was other stuff.
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18 Edgar Pordwed
February 25, 2024 at 9:13 AM
Lately I think that one drama would be Mr. Queen!! Its very clever and full of comedy! Its a whole package, also is a good gateway to sageuks! Also whoever I have recommended it to, have thoroughly enjoyed it!
Otherwise I would recommend something from the many fantasy dramas that Korea offers- Master's Sun/Legend of the Blue Sea/Mystic Pop Up Bar/My Girlfriend is a Gumiho/Arang and the Magistrate/ - because those are unique to Korea.
Can't go wrong with few classics- Coffee Prince, Kill Me Heal Me.
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19 Snow Flower
February 25, 2024 at 9:22 AM
Like Flowers In Sand! It has romance, mystery, coming of age, slice of life, and sports drama tropes, all mixed in a glorious way. And it is 12 episodes.
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cozybooks
February 26, 2024 at 9:32 AM
I think this is a good choice since I think it would appeal to some western drama fans. I don't know why, but I think it just fits nicely with some similar western shows?
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Snow Flower
February 26, 2024 at 12:07 PM
I don't watch Western shows, but I thought that a story about a loveable underdog would have universal appeal.
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20 TAS-Mania
February 25, 2024 at 9:24 AM
Under the Queen’s Umbrella.
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aicaramba
February 25, 2024 at 2:52 PM
Yes great suggestion! A sageuk that's sensitive for the current times 🫰
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21 kiara
February 25, 2024 at 9:26 AM
It depends on the person and what he/she likes.
Sageuk Action Comedy - "Flower That Blooms At Night" It's simple, sweet, and short.
Slice of life - "Age of Youth"
Rom.com - "My Love From The Star"
Thriller - "Beyond Evil"
Weekender - "What Happens To My Family"
Melo - "Just Between Lovers"
Satire - "Heard It Through The Grapevine"
Medical - "Doctor Romantic"
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bomibeans
February 25, 2024 at 10:37 AM
Your romcom and thriller recs are excellent recs as they are super addictive. I almost feel guilty recommending them to newbs as they are going to get hooked.
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mmmmm
February 25, 2024 at 11:16 AM
Doctor Romantic is a great recommendation.
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23new2kdrama 🌱❤️🪦RIP FAN WALL❤️
February 25, 2024 at 5:58 PM
And Hospital Playlist could also work for that theme
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Reply1988 - 🍊Mother Bean🍊
February 25, 2024 at 10:37 PM
Yes Hospital Playlist is in my list of other choices once they have watched one drama and liked it.
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Bunny Sonaki
February 25, 2024 at 10:24 PM
Age of Youth is a great pick.
For medical though, I think Hospital Playlist might be a better fit as it doesn't contain the usual hospital politics but Romantic Doctor is for sure a gret drama.
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22 bomibeans
February 25, 2024 at 10:16 AM
Oh, easy. You From Another Star. It has beautiful actors, the most adorable heroine ever, interesting plot, zingy dialogue, tons of comedy…but, more importantly, tropes galore to “inoculate” newbs from the start. Like for example, the newbs need to understand that romcom will always feature a serial killer / murderous villain, a “fateful” story set in Joseon, SML doing nothing much except pining for our heroine, being absent for a number of later episodes and suffering amnesia, confusing or unclear ending, tonal shifts, tons of hospital scenes, a funny family that is actually very dysfunctional, White Truck of Doom, damsel in distress with many savings, copious amounts of drinking that moves plot along (such as confessions and flying objects), chicken-and-beer, fan service shower scenes, face-slapping scenes, somehow becoming “fateful neighbors” in a city of 10 million people, forced cohabition, noona-esq romance, fully clothed sweater-swaddled bed scenes, a very young-looking main lead who’s a loaded real estate tycoon but you couldn’t even tell, tons of PPL, evil rings, evil cue music, tons of PPL, loyal butler/sexretary/lawyer, tons of PPL, childhood connection, seaside trip that makes it known to all of us the couple has become official, time-jump-separation, main lead who knows and can actually do anything, wrist grabs, reincarnation, doppelgängers…
In words of Stefan, IT HAS IT ALL. The only thing it goes light on is Noble Idiocy but let’s spare our newbs’ immune system. That one is too much to handle from the start.
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bomibeans
February 25, 2024 at 10:17 AM
*Stefon. 😂
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DK-Drama ❤️🎄 Giffing n Space Cadetting 👼🏻🌟
February 25, 2024 at 11:11 AM
In Guk is clearly channelling Stefon in the picture above.
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bomibeans
February 25, 2024 at 10:26 AM
Oh, I forgot, “intrusive music”. Please forgive me.
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Grand Sophy
February 25, 2024 at 4:05 PM
This is the only kdrama my older son has watched. My younger son watched Lawless Lawyer with me. Both a lot of fun.
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cozybooks
February 26, 2024 at 9:37 AM
Hee my first Kdrama. Definitely a great one to start on.
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23 DK-Drama ❤️🎄 Giffing n Space Cadetting 👼🏻🌟
February 25, 2024 at 11:04 AM
I have recommended "It's Okay Not to Be Okay" to anyone whom I could make listen. But I agree with @kurama : It depends whom I am trying to drag in.
But what I really think is a help for a newbie is the Bingocards, actually.
They make it fun to find the tropes, and you get to feel "in on the joke" from the start.
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Goyangi and the Camel Crickets
February 26, 2024 at 5:54 PM
Bingo cards?
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Reply1988 - 🍊Mother Bean🍊
February 26, 2024 at 6:59 PM
Yes DK has designed her own tropes bingo card which she uses when watching dramas to make it an even more fun watch.
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DK-Drama ❤️🎄 Giffing n Space Cadetting 👼🏻🌟
February 26, 2024 at 7:54 PM
But I got help!
Making those cards, I mean. :-)
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Goyangi and the Camel Crickets
February 26, 2024 at 9:30 PM
How fun! Can you share? 😊
Reply1988 - 🍊Mother Bean🍊
February 26, 2024 at 7:00 PM
I forgot to say she is willing to share if you are interested.
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24 lillamy
February 25, 2024 at 11:15 AM
Only one?! The angst!
But in the end I think I would have to go with Healer. It's a full package. Romance, action, traditional kdrama elements of birth secrets and corruption and an awesome power couple to top it off. I've never heard of anyone not loving Healer.
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25 Ahjummaaa
February 25, 2024 at 11:29 AM
Bulgasal - excellent casting, very suspenseful & thrilling and full of romantic tension between leads yet still family friendly with a warm found family you don't want to say goodbye to. I watched this for Lee Jin Wook (Voice 2&3, Goodbye Mr Black) and he is glorious here. Also became a big, big fan of the female lead Kwon Nara. She is so charismatic and graceful and emotionally delivers. There is emotional truth in her acting. This is something that is very important to me as a viewer and not something all actresses are capable of bringing to the table.
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Snow Flower
February 25, 2024 at 3:03 PM
What is Bulgasal like? I have never watched it. I do like tragic sageuks.
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Kodra aka Qanon something
February 25, 2024 at 3:15 PM
I liked it too, watched it twice. It was in my beginnings when I didn't wander past Netflix.
It's like Goblin somehow (that's how I found out about Goblin, reading about Bulgasal that was available on Netflix). The SML is amazing, kind of stole the show a bit. I don't know how to explain it without spoil it for you, @bomibeans might be better for this job than me. All that I can tell you is that the story is complicated and confusing at times, but at second watch it all makes sense.
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Snow Flower
February 25, 2024 at 3:21 PM
I am not too fond of Goblin, so I am not sure if I should give Bulgasal a chance. It would not hurt to try the first episode. I loved both parts of Alchemy of Souls.
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Kodra aka Qanon something
February 25, 2024 at 3:37 PM
Goblin-like in the way he was cursed many centuries ago with a sword, not in the romance angle. That part is good in Bulgasal.
bomibeans
February 25, 2024 at 5:33 PM
Bulgasal is a lot, A LOT, more gory than Goblin or Alchemy of Souls. It’s a very mature, dark (but not depressing) view of someone who suffered for hundreds of years for his psychological wounds without the ability to die and who battles supernatural beings. When watching it, I’d suggest to actually suspend all the logic (the show is not illogical per se but better suspend it) and just go with the titillating flow of deep secrets and dark themes. Its vibe is actually most similar to It’s Ok To Not Be Ok but much gorier.
Ahjummaaa
February 25, 2024 at 8:22 PM
What part of Goblin didn't you like? As for me, I didn't like the romance between the leads in Goblin. But in Bulgasal I feel the chemistry was electric between the leads.
Kodra aka Qanon something
February 25, 2024 at 8:50 PM
@ahjummaaa
No, I liked it all and I agree with your take on it. I assumed the Snow Flower had the same sentiment about Goblin.
The ending maybe a little bit, I feel like way too many end that way lately that it should be considered a trope thing already, or maybe it is and I am not aware of it. At that time when I watched it I was ok with it but I was new to kdramas and haven't seen that many to be bothered with it. Although in some it makes sense, Knight Flower and Bulgasal are examples of such.
Snow Flower
February 26, 2024 at 5:26 AM
I thought that the romance in Goblin was boring. I was more invested in the Goryeo story and the second couple. The discussion of Bulgasal made me intrigued. Flawed but electric romance sounds interesting. Thank you beanies for the input!
Ahjummaaa
February 25, 2024 at 8:34 PM
@Kodra aka PPP @bomibeans you guys did a great job of summarizing and describing the drama! In fact, it makes me want to go back and rewatch.
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ahjummabunny
February 26, 2024 at 1:20 AM
I have no idea why no one ever mentions this, but bulgasal is a vampire story! That was something I would have liked to know before watching it. I like Lee Jin Wook most about the show. I can't really say it is good, but it is interesting.
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Midnight
February 26, 2024 at 1:31 AM
Ha! I never knew this either and I was going to watch it! Now I'm hesitant, but thanks for the heads-up.
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Ahjummaaa
February 26, 2024 at 4:35 AM
oh I didn't even remember that part because it's part of the background story, and not of their present. if I remember correctly, they weren't vampires in their current form anymore. so they don't vampirey things. What I loved about the drama was their present day situation, their daily life and the road trip feeling of the drama as the found family tries to hide from the bad guy.
Kodra aka Qanon something
February 26, 2024 at 3:57 AM
Oh yeah, forgot about the blood thing. But not vampires as in how we know it and more like monsters that live a long life drinking blood. There are no fangs and the people that they drink the blood from die and don't become monsters like them. It's more about diferrent ancient monster stories, curses and reincarnation.
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Ahjummaaa
February 26, 2024 at 5:04 AM
you have a really good memory!
Ahjummaaa
February 26, 2024 at 4:32 AM
oh I forgot that part. it's part of their background story
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Ahjummaaa
February 26, 2024 at 4:39 AM
he was smoking hawt in Bulgasal
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bomibeans
February 26, 2024 at 8:59 AM
Lee Jin-wook was sooooo hot in bulgasal! *fanning myself* everyone pulled their heavy acting weights in this drama, Lee Joon, Kwon Nara, Gong Seung-yeon especially, but I dare say, it was hotness and tragic-heroness of Lee Jin-wook that glued it all together.
Ahjummaaa
February 27, 2024 at 1:20 AM
@bomibeans haha right?! and then you try to find another drama of his and end up watching him in Sweet Home where he has a completely different style altogether lol...
Healer’s
February 25, 2024 at 3:22 PM
Kwon Nara is my fav too. She has very beautiful expressive eyes.
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Ahjummaaa
February 25, 2024 at 8:29 PM
A lot of people saw the rehearsal clip of her tearing up while reading the script for her upcoming drama and decided to watch it just based on that. That is the most brilliant marketing for a drama. I felt so proud of her and that more people are seeing her acting chops. She's moving, simply a great presence on the screen.
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Grand Sophy
February 25, 2024 at 4:07 PM
This is a great summary.
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