Knight Flower: Episodes 5-6
by Unit
As if our 15-year-old murder mystery wasn’t enough, our moonlighting tale hits us with another sudden death as we get to the halfway mark. But for what it’s worth, this death sheds more light on the previous mystery, and it serves to unmask another member of the villain squad.
EPISODES 5-6
Yeo-hwa’s snooping around at the Pil inn pays off when she finds the storehouse where the kidnapped children are kept. I have no doubt that she could have handled the thugs guarding the place all on her own, but a worried Soo-ho swoops in to be of service, and four fighting hands are always better than two. Their teamwork is amazing, and as always, it’s fight first, argue later. The cause of the argument: what to do with the released children.
To Yeo-hwa, closing the case is rescuing the children and taking them somewhere safe. But to Soo-ho, taking the children to the Capital Defense office as witnesses to aid the investigation and bringing Pil-jik to justice is his definition of closure. Yeo-hwa doesn’t trust the justice system, and at some point, she challenges Soo-ho to arrest her if he wants to. But of course he doesn’t… or he can’t because he’s too stupefied to come up with any comebacks for her arguments. I mean, what is logic when you’re standing in front of the most intriguing and amazing person you have ever met?
To clear his head, Soo-ho has a drink with Yoon-hak, but the conversation goes from his trauma-induced partial amnesia about his tragic backstory to drunk ramblings about Yeo-hwa. “I’m dying to know what kind of person she is,” Soo-ho prattles on to everyone who cares to listen. My man is so smitten! But he’s not the only one travelling down the crush lane. Yeo-hwa also loses sleep while thinking — and blushing — about her interactions with Soo-ho. Lol.
I was still marinating in the cuteness of our OTP’s crush on each other when word comes in that Minister Yeom has been murdered… and I’m like what? So suddenly? I won’t miss him, but still. Soo-ho and the Capital Defense team arrive at the crime scene, and their boss is miffed to hear that the Police Bureau is conducting the investigation. It’s like the Joseon version of the FBI and Police Department jurisdiction wars. Lol. Lady Yoo and the Minister of Personnel’s wife arrive next, and the rivals almost tear Lady Oh apart as they also get into a condolence war.
One of the servants at the Yeom household is apprehended as the culprit, and the evidence is a ring found in his possession. The servant claims the ring is his, but Lady Oh claims it’s her husband’s. As for the servant’s alibi for the time of the murder, well, he was out to meet his lover — who turns out to be the Minister of Personnel’s widowed daughter-in-law, LADY BAEK. But he can’t get her into trouble by naming her as a witness.
But Lady Baek gets into trouble all the same because her mother-in-law recognizes the servant’s ring as Baek’s “missing” ring, and immediately clocks in on the affair. But wait, if the ring is actually Lady Baek’s, then why did Lady Oh claim that it’s her husband’s, and insist that the servant be arrested for the murder?
Yeo-hwa can also confirm the servant’s alibi because she spotted the lovers at the watermill when she was returning from Pil-jik’s the previous night. Unfortunately, she can’t risk exposing her midnight activities by becoming a witness, so she turns to Yeon-seon for advice. Her HILARIOUS reenactment of the watermill scene was one of my highlight scenes this week! Honey Lee is such a riot as Yeo-hwa!
Unlike their rival mother-in-laws, Yeo-hwa is worried about Lady Baek — and rightly so because the Minister of Personnel’s wife (seriously, I need this woman to have a name so I can stop typing her title in full) confronts and beats up Lady Baek for having an affair and bringing shame to the family. She locks Baek up in the shed and instructs her to kill herself or else. Great! LADY VICIOUS, it is.
Under the guise of wanting to learn virtuousness, Yeo-hwa visits the Minister of Personnel’s house to see Lady Baek. But Lady Vicious proudly announces that her daughter-in-law can’t attend to Yeo-hwa at the moment because she is on her way to becoming the perfect model for all widows. Translation: she’s about to unalive herself. That’s all Yeo-hwa needs to hear, and she returns at night to rescue Lady Baek. Yeo-hwa takes her to Myeongdo inn, but Lady Baek refuses to escape further without the servant she loves.
Minister Yeom’s autopsy reveals the cause of death as blunt force trauma to the head, but it turns out that Lady Oh actually poisoned her husband with, wait for it… the suspicious petals found in the tiger painting! Whoa! It’s the season of ministers’ wives killing their sorry excuses for husbands, and I can’t say I feel sorry for said husbands. Lord Seok raises a brow when he sees that the autopsy report mentioned the discovery of purple spots in Yeom’s mouth, and he visits Lady Oh to subtly inform her that he knows what she did and how she did it. Hmmm.
Lord Seok also hurries the king to close Minister Yeom’s case by beheading the servant. And as to why he’s so invested in the case, a flashback reveals that the previous king had the same purple spots in his mouth when he died. The then crown prince — who’s the current king — saw the spots and requested to look into it further, but he was silenced after the queen — who’s now the dowager — scolded him. Back then, Lord Seok called the king’s observation nonsense, but as we can see, the king was definitely on to something.
It turns out that Lady Oh is the dowager’s niece, and they’re both in cahoots with Lord Seok. Ha! Now it makes sense as to how the poisoned petals got to the palace in the first place, why the dowager supports Oh’s charity outreaches, and how Pil-jik is tied up in all of this. Jeez! We haven’t even seen the dowager yet, but we sure can feel her presence as the center of all the chaos going around.
At the crime scene, Soo-ho also saw the purple spots, and perceived a sweet smell from Yeom’s mouth. His investigation into the smell leads him to the petals he scooped up while returning the painting, and after an accidental chemistry experiment, he deduces that the petals are poisonous. Soo-ho starts to doubt that the servant in custody is the culprit, and to get to the bottom of the murder, he visits Lady Oh with questions that are uncomfortably close to the truth.
On questioning the other servants at the house, Soo-ho learns that the servant was having an affair with a beautiful widow, and his mind goes straight to Yeo-hwa. Don’t worry, it’s not your crush. Lol. Soo-ho is visibly relieved to hear that Yeo-hwa is not the widow in question, but his relief doesn’t last because he knows she will put herself in danger to save the servant if he doesn’t act fast.
True to Soo-ho’s thoughts, Yeo-hwa visits the prison to drop off a drug for the servant which makes him pass out with symptoms of the plague. For fear that the plague will spread, the wardens dump the servant in the forest — where Yeo-hwa’s people are on ground to pick him up. The servant is reunited with Lady Baek, and the lovers are finally free to run away and live happily ever after.
Aside from her normal anti-oppression crusade, Yeo-hwa’s motivation to rescue Lady Baek stemmed from a shared understanding of the unreasonable societal and moral demands placed on widows. Right now, Yeo-hwa is stuck in her current life and she has no plans of escaping because she’s waiting for her brother to return. But in the meantime, she chooses to find satisfaction in saving others, and helping them escape to live a better life.
Lady Baek’s parting wish for Yeo-hwa to survive and live the life she wants resonated with me because I also want the same for Yeo-hwa — and there’s a number of us in the Freedom For Yeo-hwa Association. Yeon-seon is the association’s chair, and as the one person that is truly on Yeo-hwa’s side at home, she can only leave when Yeo-hwa is happy. Yeon-seon shares her concern with Yoon-hak when they run into each other again, and Yoon-hak can relate with the sentiment because he’s the only one the king and Soo-ho have in their corner, and he can only be at peace when those two are happy.
Soo-ho is also a member of the association, and he confronts Yeo-hwa for helping the servant escape. To him, it’s to hell with her concern for others over her own safety. “What about your own life?” he asks, and I can’t blame him because if not for his intervention at the prison, she could have been unmasked! Soo-ho addresses Yeo-hwa as “my lady” during the confrontation, and it finally dawns on her that he knows exactly who she is.
It raises suspicion that a condemned prisoner suddenly died from the plague and his body went missing from where it was dumped. So Soo-ho asks Yoon-hak for help to cover up the missing body issue. Yoon-hak is reluctant to use his secretarial powers for personal favors until Soo-ho shows him the autopsy report. The purple spots and sweet smell grabs Yoon-hak’s attention, and he takes the petals to the king. The king confirms that the fragrance was what he smelled on his late father, and there’s finally a clue to unraveling the mystery surrounding his father’s death.
In the course of their investigation into the late king’s death, Yoon-hak and the king zeroed in on Yeo-hwa’s brother, CHO SUNG-HOO, as a key figure to finding out the truth about what happened that day. And looking into Sung-hoo, Yoon-hak eventually learns that Lord Seok’s daughter-in-law, Yeo-hwa, is Sung-hoo’s sister.
The week ends with Yeo-hwa and Soo-ho meeting at Myeongdo inn, and since he already knows who she is, Yeo-hwa unmasks herself and tells him her name. I like that the show didn’t drag this out, and now that this identity thingy is out in the open, I’m looking forward to their interactions going forward. I enjoy their budding crush on each other, especially Soo-ho’s uncontrollable blushing whenever So-woon teases him about Yeo-hwa. But we’re already halfway through the drama, and I’d like to see more progress in their romance department.
One of my favorite things this week was Yeo-hwa capitalizing on her mother-in-law’s teachings as an excuse to leave the house for research purposes. A virtuous widow should learn from a more virtuous widow. Cue: a visit to the Minister of Personnel’s house to scope out the situation with Lady Baek. And I just about died from laughter at the epilogue where Lady Yoo insisted that Yeo-hwa should show as much devotion as Lady Baek, and all Yeo-hwa could think about was Lady Baek’s affair with the servant. “I should be like her?” Yes, please! Lool.
Although things got a bit serious with Minister Yeom’s death, Knight Flower continues to do a fine job in keeping things fun and not allowing the serious parts overshadow its light-hearted tone. Maybe that’s why the show has its main villain putting up such a calm and goody two shoes front, and speaking with a sing-song voice. It’s quite unfortunate that Yeo-hwa has a good relationship with her father-in-law, and she’s grateful to him for caring about her and allowing her to visit the temple once a year to pray for her brother.
Lord Seok tells Yeo-hwa to give up on waiting for her brother, and he’s quite sure Sung-hoo won’t be returning because he’s the one who ordered Pil-jik to find and eliminate Sung-hoo back then. Ha! And Seok had the audacity to take Yeo-hwa in as a daughter-in-law afterwards. Tsk. This is one betrayal that will sting so bad when Yeo-hwa finds out the truth.
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Tags: Honey Lee, Jo Jae-yoon, Kim Mi-kyung, Kim Sang-joong, Knight Flower, Lee Jong-won, Lee Ki-woo
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1 DancingEmma
January 28, 2024 at 11:58 PM
My rule of thumb is that anyone who professes to excessive piety and noblesse oblige whether in RL or KDs should not be trusted under any circumstances.
Yeohwa has recognised that there is no possibility of institutional justice for the powerless in that world but Sooho seems to think he can counter his own garrison’s corrupt and craven leadership. Good luck!
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2 Kurama
January 29, 2024 at 12:04 AM
It's still entertaining but a little bit repetitive.
I think Honey Lee pushed the comedy button for Yeo-hwa a little bit too much, so I can't take anything seriously. I don't really feel bad or frustrated for the injustice in this drama. It's like the other dramas but superficial.
I like the different relationships between the characters. Both leads are completely unware of their feelings but it's funny to watch. I like Soo-ho and Yoon-hak's bromance even if they're not brother by blood. Yoon-Hak and the King, the King has one trusted person in his entourage at least.
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3 DancingEmma
January 29, 2024 at 12:05 AM
Also, I’ve mean to ask this for a while now but keep forgetting. What’s the deal with the water mills as a location for lovers to meet in some sageuks?
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kiara
January 29, 2024 at 12:40 AM
In most sageuks Emma. It's the hot spot for secret lovers since it's in the middle of nowhere except for farmland.
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DancingEmma
January 29, 2024 at 12:43 AM
Thanks @Kiara. I knew you would know!
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indyfan
January 29, 2024 at 12:46 AM
They also seem to have hay, which I suppose is softish bedding, tho I think it’s a bit pokey myself. 😇
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DancingEmma
January 29, 2024 at 12:59 AM
Haha. Indy, speaking from personal experience?
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indyfan
January 29, 2024 at 1:12 AM
What happens in a watermill, stays in a watermill. Why even Yeo-hwa couldn’t speak it out loud. 😂
Seon-ha
January 29, 2024 at 5:00 AM
All poking aside, as someone allergic to hay, even the thought makes me sneeze!!! 😁
indyfan
January 29, 2024 at 5:54 AM
@attiton If the poking is set aside, is there even a reason to be near hay?
zindigo
January 29, 2024 at 7:26 AM
omg @indyfan I almost spit out my breakfast when I read that 😂🫣🤭
DancingEmma
January 29, 2024 at 5:09 PM
@indyfan: You’ve been on a roll with the double entendres. Well done.
kiara
January 29, 2024 at 12:59 AM
There is usually a small storage shed nearby for farm equipments and yes, hay. LOL
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4 indyfan
January 29, 2024 at 12:41 AM
I, on the other hand, wanted Honey Lee to push the comedy button even more these last episodes. We didn’t have quite as amazing a gag like the kitty forgery or wang/abs this time. But that’s all right because overall it was still great fun and we made progress on the romance front. LJW is doing great as our smitten male lead (tho better with those micro expressions than exaggerated drunken ramblings).
I don’t care as much for the palace politics tbh. But I do think they’ve made it more interesting with all the villains now having more complex and potentially clashing goals. Let’s see how our derring duo takes them on with their clashing philosophies as they wend their way to their HEA. I’m going to trust Beanies who’ve reassured us a sageuk with rap music cannot possibly have a tragic ending. I will not settle for anything less for our merry widow.
Also, I don’t think the new dark horse in town is either her brother or husband. Don’t ask me who tho. I suspect he’ll have some intrigues with the Grand Merchant.
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DancingEmma
January 29, 2024 at 12:50 AM
I agree he can’t be the husband as he is roaming about freely around town unless he was the recipient of a hitherto unknown Joseon era plastic surgery!
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Blue (@mayhemf)
January 29, 2024 at 5:06 AM
Looks like a mole or a mask is perfect disguise in Joseon. So his glasses are his disguise. No one can tell 😅
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Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
January 29, 2024 at 8:55 AM
Hmm, I'm betting he is the not-dead husband, back to cause trouble for some reason yet to be revealed. Is he looking to bring his father down? Although that wouldn't make sense in a family-is-everything, filial-piety society. Either way, if he's someone who can establish that Yeon-wha and her late husband were never married, that could get her out of the widow conundrum.
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indyfan
January 29, 2024 at 9:39 AM
He feels like a character you know. Whereas the brother/husband have been made out to be men of character—risking life and limb for king and country, not riding into town with so much swag. But whoever it is, I don’t mind if as you say they get her out of the widow conundrum.
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ar_arguably romantic
January 29, 2024 at 4:35 PM
I also suspect not-dead husband. They had his intro scene right after the scene of the MIL commenting on her son's fave snack. I hope he's hilarious and gives his virtue-obsessed mother a massive migraine.
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DancingEmma
January 29, 2024 at 5:06 PM
You might all be proven right. I should know by now that just because something seems implausible, it doesn’t mean that it wouldn’t happen in a drama. So why not a ‘dead husband’ roaming around unbothered by the fact that he’s supposed to be dead and gone and the widow is being terrorised by his hideous mother who runs around acting so pious.
indyfan
January 30, 2024 at 7:44 AM
Oh gosh @dncingemma first Elinor convinced me on their fan wall it might very well be the husband, now you’ve made me want it not be him. It would have been quite selfish indeed. But maybe he left before he even knew he was supposed to be married off? The whole backstory is fuzzy. And I’m grasping at straws.
♡Peach_Mochi♡
January 29, 2024 at 9:06 AM
We haven’t seen the dowager yet, have we? But it seems she was the palace force behind the previous king’s death — for reasons yet unclear? I hope that most of the action remains outside the palace even as we get into this part of the story.
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kiara
January 29, 2024 at 12:57 PM
"I’m going to trust Beanies who’ve reassured us a sageuk with rap music cannot possibly have a tragic ending."
Except for the one sageuk that started this trend "CHUNO."
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Misky
January 30, 2024 at 5:43 AM
Please ! Why did you bring up Chuno?!!!?? now the scenes are replaying in my head with the darn rap music😭😭😭
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kiara
January 30, 2024 at 7:23 AM
😭😭😭
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indyfan
January 30, 2024 at 7:46 AM
…and Chuno stays at the back of my backlist until I feel stronger. Those emojis don’t bode well.
ladynightshade wants her own ryu sunjae
January 30, 2024 at 10:48 AM
Now why would you hurt me like this by bringing up Chuno?
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kiara
January 30, 2024 at 6:45 PM
"Chuno" is so worth it!
Where the heck is Jang Hyuk while it's raining sageuks?
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ladynightshade wants her own ryu sunjae
January 31, 2024 at 3:38 PM
And now you hurt me again by reminding me of the lack of recent Jang Hyuk sageuks... I can't believe his last drama was that trashfire show nobody watched.
5 OAsia
January 29, 2024 at 12:44 AM
This drama is a perfect reminder of how patriarchy is pure evil. I really like the fact that the drama presents this simple truth under the guise of comedy. A drama with a similar theme set in modern times would certainly be attacked by anti-feminist Korean groups, and this one has excellent ratings. By the way, I wonder if Korean misogynists noticed that the drama was attacking them and if there is any discussion about it in Korea.
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DancingEmma
January 29, 2024 at 12:58 AM
Excellent point and I wonder too. Just the right touch to amuse the more conservative viewers but not make them feel like it is directed at their own values and belief?.The vicious misogynists might just be too busy trying to terrorise feminist groups. May the wind never be at their backs.
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indyfan
January 29, 2024 at 1:18 AM
I think it was @laurensophie who posted this theory earlier (perhaps?). But the central message advocating for better treatment of widows might be easier to accept because most Koreans already believe that. (Please don’t tell me I’m wrong about that SK experts and make me sad.) In fact, it might make some folks feel good about how far SK has come (and so much easier than addressing the more contemporary forms of misogyny). It would be a more controversial message in a society where discrimination against widows is still common practice.
But I do agree, comedy can make palatable what might not be otherwise so. I hope we have dramas like this tackling more modern issues.
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DancingEmma
January 29, 2024 at 1:24 AM
That’s right! LaurenSophie did raise it in her usual eloquent way! I just remembered reading it.
I haven’t read anything about widows still being oppressed. Well, unless they’re poor and that’s a different story but at least, it took a few hundred years and that vile law, policy and practice changed.
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OAsia
January 29, 2024 at 3:47 AM
Widows may not be socially oppressed, but, on an equal footing with divorcees, they are not as well perceived as married women or unmarried women of "marriageable age." There are channels on YouTube with street surveys among Koreans and there are questions about weddings and families. And it happens that mothers of sons/daughters say directly that they do not want their children to marry divorcees/widowers, especially those who have children. In such a situation, they prefer "even" a foreigner, without children. Young people under 30 sometimes also have this belief that if they want to get married, it should be with someone who has not been married to someone else before. This can sometimes be shocking, because, for example, we can see from the comments under these videos that people writing in English are surprised how it is possible to still think like this and talk about it publicly in the 21st century.
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indyfan
January 29, 2024 at 4:01 AM
Ah yes, we do see this in modern dramas about the marriage prospects of divorcées esp. those with children. I can believe it's true of widows as well. A lingering effect of old beliefs.
Does it also hold true for men (widowers and divorcés) these days or just women?
Britney
January 29, 2024 at 4:48 AM
I saw a little something about this on Little Old Boy (I think that's the title) and Hee Chul had gotten some online quiz about what was worse for a potential partner: [multiple] divorces, already having kids, or debt and one of the mothers watching said they were all terrible.
Disclaimer: I don't remember exactly what was said but I think this was the gist
Kodra aka Qanon something
January 29, 2024 at 5:12 AM
@indyfan
"Does it also hold true for men (widowers and divorcés) these days or just women?"
Yes, it is, at least where I am from (not asian, as in non-confuciunism related). Also, watch One Spring Night, it will answer your question.
indyfan
January 29, 2024 at 5:58 AM
@kodra 👋🏿 I do remember OSN! So some level of discrimination is true for both now, eh? And not really great for either. Tsk.
DancingEmma
January 29, 2024 at 12:00 PM
You make very good points and they’re indeed existing problems. I should have explained better that I was speaking about a contemporary widespread violations of human rights in comparison to when the ultimate goal was to get your DIL killed so to enrich your family and gain status.
nerdy
January 29, 2024 at 5:02 AM
While the show is actually going for that feministic message, I feel like they are offensively careful about it. As in, the female lead is not only childless but also a virgin.
What modern person would actually judge her for leaving her confinement?
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Blue (@mayhemf)
January 29, 2024 at 5:09 AM
This! and she never saw her husband.
Even in Matchmakers the writers copped out and made the child not hers. It would have been wonderful had she been a single mother and yet found happiness.
Relisher
January 29, 2024 at 5:22 AM
I feel like they countered that well though with Lady Baek, because she was initially when as an even more virtuous widow but she was not only having relations with another man, the show explicitly gave her a happy ending and made it clear that she was also enthusiastic about sex with her lover and right to be so, not just a passive victim of society and her mother in law.
Soo Ho is also shown as kind of innocent in the ways of love so it's less about Yeohwa being pure than about two people who never had the chance to love someone or experience it before and dedicating their lives to helping others, finally finding it with each other.
hacja
January 29, 2024 at 8:35 AM
Yes, it really bothers me that in all 3 recent shows, which had the same proportedly pro-widow message, the widows were virgins, except maybe Matchmakers, but even there, the husband was a childish invalid, meaning her feelings were more matronly than sexual. That's why I appreciated the saved widow and her lover in this show.
too_much_tv
February 3, 2024 at 9:02 PM
I think the point of her virginity is comedy. There's a certain kind of fun in seeing a character experiencing sexual attraction when they have been successfully sublimating for a long time. How could a woman in her late 20s or early 30s be that naive, though? Only if she were essentially imprisoned and kept from ever looking at men for her entire adult life. So the protagonist gets to do funny things with her face as she realizes that, wow, she's falling for this hot guy.
They also had to create an absurd plot-based reason that she didn't run away three years into her captivity. I mean, she could obviously do so without any difficulty, since she can jump over the walls and fight with a sword. This show could have been the story of a Joseon-era pirate with a very deep cheek dimple. But then there would be no opportunities for absurd facial expressions in silly situations.
hacja
January 29, 2024 at 8:24 AM
What bothers me about what I know is a well-intended message about widows being people too in this drama, is that the women are the enthusiastic enforcers of the patriarchal order, while the men, sympathasizers (although I know the Left Minister is being two faced about it, having set up the non-existent marriage to begin with)
While I know that often could have been true historically, that women enjoyed oppressing other women, I think Matchmakers handled that much circumstance much better, where the FL's mother in law demanded memorial behavior not for her petty personal standing among the other aristocratic women (as in this one) but because she was (a little too) deeply obsessed with the long term place of her family.
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indyfan
January 29, 2024 at 9:06 AM
Sadly, in patriarchal societies where extended families are the norm, the patriarchal bargain is very much still alive. So it doesn’t surprise me that women are the primary enforcers of patriarchy; the system is designed to be so. But I do agree men are the ultimate source of oppression in these systems. Given the reveal of the FIL’s nature tho, we should have a setup for a clash when Yeo-hwa realizes who her true oppressor is.
I also appreciated the intersectionality shown here. While the justice minister’s wife was abused by her husband, she in turn abuses her lower class half-brother. It’s a rotten system.
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♡Peach_Mochi♡
January 29, 2024 at 9:19 AM
Yes — the vicious cycle of abuse. This is what makes Yeo-hwa even more exceptional. Instead of transferring the abuse the suffers to the next person below her in social status, she recognizes the humanity of and strives to uplift all victims.
She’s simultaneously so sheltered (water mill activities!) and righteous that I wonder how she got that way. Well — the sheltered part is clearly from the social mores of her era and being cloistered by her in-laws. But her sense of justice — was some of that imparted by her brother along with her martial arts skills? That would help explain the depth of their relationship and why she’s still waiting for him 15 years later.
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indyfan
January 29, 2024 at 9:26 AM
Hmm. A great question. I’m afraid I chalked up her exceptionalism to a bit of fantasy, my own wish fulfillment. But I like your answer better, as usual.
Blue (@mayhemf)
January 29, 2024 at 10:58 AM
I think she grew up freely, not bound by rules of society. And her brother was probably one such people and she hero-worshipped him since young. I won't be surprised if she is continuing doing some good deeds after having seen her brother do the same.
Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
January 29, 2024 at 11:08 AM
@indyfan Whenever a character is criticized for being too exceptional or anachronistic in her or his attitudes, I remind myself that there must in every era have been people who saw the flaws and injustice in established norms, because without them those norms and oppressive systems would never have changed. But maybe that's just my bit of fantasy.
@hacja I agree, and along those same lines: even in a severely inhumane system, most people still have some humanity (although modern North Korea seems to be putting this to the test). Also, I would think a widow with a child would be far less vulnerable to pressure to be 'virtuous' since child-care is always needed, and most women would have borne children fairly soon after marriage.
I thought Lord Seok's daughter was already married but kept coming home to visit more than she should.
DancingEmma
January 30, 2024 at 1:41 AM
I feel that the writers didn’t actually want to convey that she was that sheltered but were too afraid to break that taboo so the Korean version of ‘goodness me’ when confronted with any hint of sensuality or manifested sexuality. We are lucky that Lee Honee makes it funny rather than cringeworthy.
hacja
January 29, 2024 at 10:38 AM
The patriarchal bargain that gives women nominal control over the household in exchange for total lack of rights elsewhere certainly would invite women to oppress those of lower caste--servants and slaves. But, again knowing nothing about the actual historical circumstance, I would think that same bargain would somewhat ameliorate the treatment of widows of the same caste, especially if the widow was useful around the house and not a financial burden (again, the FL widow in Matchmakers was a good example of how that might work). There is also the factor of female companionship that a widow might provide her mother in law, although in this case the mother has a daughter as well, but she, presumably will eventually leave to marry herself.
So I can't help feel the competition for the "noble widow prize" would not have been so eagerly pursued by aristocratic mothers urging widows to kill themselves. (Although I certainly understand why the mother in law of the widow who had an affair would have done so.)
Still, overall, what an awful system! In fact,even though I'm enjoying this show, one of the reasons that I can't really enjoy sageuks in general is the way that many of them revel in the Joseon social hierarchy while nominally being critical of it. But at least women wore beautiful hanbok!
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hacja
January 29, 2024 at 11:23 AM
@elinor. You are right about the daughter--I just forgot that part, though I didn't forget her mean-girl attitude, another kdrama trope that extends beyond sageuks, and that I have actually seen in action, though I really don't think it appears quite as often in real life as it does in these shows!
indyfan
January 30, 2024 at 8:04 AM
I think @relisher already pointed out some of what I wanted to say about the ranking of women within the household as the reward.
But I’ll also add that I think you’re right, motherhood, esp that of a son, increases the value of a woman in such societies. We saw that in The Matchmakers (through her adopted son). Whereas neither widow in Knight Flower brings that to the table. One thing I’ve seen is that the status of a woman’s family also plays a role. And Yeo-hwa at least also lacks that. These affluent households didn’t need help. The only value childless widows held were how “virtuous” they could be in increasing the families’ status because the system awarded such behavior.
I’ve shared this with other Beanies before, but I would never want to be a woman in Joseon, not for all the pretty hanboks in the world.
DancingEmma
January 30, 2024 at 1:36 AM
Let’s not forget that she blamed a servant for her crime and is in cahoots with the big bad so she has other awful aspects too.
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kiara
January 29, 2024 at 1:35 PM
.." the women are the enthusiastic enforcers of the patriarchal order"...
The faceless Queen Dowgaer mentioned in this drama is probably based loosely on Queen Dowager Insu, who wrote the Naehun (Instructions for Women). It was published in 1475 while she was co-regent for her son, King Seongjong. Two years later, in 1477, the Widow Remarriage Ban was passed as a law prohibiting widows from remarrying.
Despite having immense power, it is ironic that Queen Dowager Insu contributed to further strengthening the patriarchal oppression of women. It took over 400 years to undo this law and even longer for people to accept it and find their humanity.
The arch of chastity embodies the Confucian philosophy that a subject does not serve 2 kings. A wife does not serve 2 husbands. It conveniently applies only to women but not men.
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Relisher
January 29, 2024 at 5:28 PM
I think it's somewhat realistic in that some women in oppressed social structures do carry out their grievances to the next generation of women, because that is the only power they wield in their lives and they can't wield it on men who all have more power than them. However, I would argue though that the men in this drama are not particularly sympathizers either. The only real sympathizer is Soo Ho, and even he primarily knew her first because of how heroic she was before he knew her as a widow specifically, but the plight of widows in general probably would not have really entered his thoughts, no matter how decent he might be as a man. Lady Baek's misfortune did not particularly move him, it was more about justice for the misaccused.
And the minister is not a sympathizer at all since her marriage to his son was part of keeping his enemy's family close, I presume, and his continued surface interest in her wellbeing seems to be about keeping her visible and close to his family and keeping tabs on her brother in case he happens to be alive and contacts her.
I do agree that I don't like how many unsympathetic women there are, partly because of the nature of the mother in law gatherings we see, unlike in Matchmaker where we got many more varieties of wonderfully fleshed out women. Yeon Seo and So Woon do help balance it a bit, but I would have really liked her mother in law to have more nuance instead of just being a pos to her daughter in law constantly, a stereotypical awful sister in law, and having all the women's gatherings always be unkind to YeoHwa.
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DancingEmma
January 30, 2024 at 1:34 AM
Well, there are a whole lot of vicious, craven, dumb, brutal and predatory men around too.
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6 Britney
January 29, 2024 at 2:35 AM
I don't know how casting does it because I'm just liking so many of the pairings. Yeo Hwa and Soo Ho, Soo Ho and So Woon, the king and Yoon Hak, and everyone else. Even So Woon and the commander's daughter might be on some enemies to more trajectory (enemies may be to big of a word but I don't know what describes their dynamic). The actors playing Yeo Hwa and Soo Ho vibe so well together onscreen and then seeing the BTS footage, it's cool seeing Honey Lee being a sunbae and saying things like "even if you mess up, I'll cover you". I don't know; I just really liked that even if it's a common thing, it just made me like their dynamic even more. I really don't know how casting does it.
Soo Ho's drunken ranting about Yeo Hwa was so cute and funny haha. "I don't know what she's thinking; she barely seems like she's thinking but just moves on instinct and everything she says is right which just makes me madder!" Haha
I seriously loved that delivery of his voice going higher haha. It just conveyed so much haha. So adorable.
(It reminded of Doctor Cha when she learned her sunbae was dating her son and imagined the sunbae saying why she shouldn't/wouldn't do "traditional" housewife/hosting things and Doctor Cha was like "ugh she's right but I hate it!" Haha
This is from my Outlander days but when the noble ladies were gossiping about Lady Baek & her lover and clapped their hands, it reminded me of Mr Quee when the king also did that to allude to the sexytime that was had. The reason this reminded me of Outlander is because I don't remember if it was said in the show or was written in one of the books but sex was referred to has "the beast with two backs" and each time I see the clapping thing, it reminds me of that haha
Such an innocent gesture referring to an non innocent activity haha
Yeo Hwa leaving Soo Ho stranded and him having to walk for hours haha
Aww, poor him and then So Woon didn't give him any sympathy haha. He's just worried about his hero haha
Ahh, I love the Midam protection team haha
("Will you help me, no matter the danger? Mama told me never get involved in stuff like that. It's for your hero. Then I pledge my undying loyalty and service") haha
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Neolttwigi
January 29, 2024 at 5:40 AM
' The beast with two backs' was originally Shakespeare (Othello)- and before that, was in Rabelais. So a very old euphemism/slang.
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Britney
January 29, 2024 at 6:42 AM
Wow, such old origins haha
Thanks for the lesson.
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7 Britney
January 29, 2024 at 3:37 AM
I wonder who the new man in town is. If he's Yeo Hwa's brother, Lord Seok is gonna be pissed haha
But in all seriousness, I wonder why lethal petals were kept in the painting. She said she had originally planned to use but then they ended up using it on the king but why keep it in the painting? Like a constant reminder of "oh, he's one insult or hit away from death and he doesn't even know it"? I'm now increasingly interested in knowing how the Finance minister got the painting in the first place.
I like how little things turn into big things such as in this instance where if the finance minister hadn't been an abusive tyrant and did the servant wrong, the painting would've never been stolen leading to getting on Soo Ho and the garrison's radar and reaching all the way to the king.
I'm thinking that the finance minister's wife is somehow in cahoots with Pil Jak; like she uses her charity work to somehow aid or cover for his activities.
I'm scared for Lady Baek and her lover since Pil Jak's men are supposed to look into the missing corpse. Not only is the inn watched by his guys but the head merchant was last seen with the prisoner and a vial was left in his cell. I'm scared for the head merchant. I feel like she's gonna die protecting Yeo Hwa.
I wonder if Lady Vicious is gonna show up again. I don't see the need but I also kinda want to see her face not getting her precious plaque AND it being known the daughter in law ran away with a guy.
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OAsia
January 29, 2024 at 3:52 AM
"I'm thinking that the finance minister's wife is somehow in cahoots with Pil Jak; like she uses her charity work to somehow aid or cover for his activitie".
From the scenes between them it is clear that they are half-siblings. He is the illegitimate son of a nobleman. No one must know about it except them. She despises him, but they stick together because they have the same "master".
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Blue (@mayhemf)
January 29, 2024 at 4:55 AM
In the earlier episode it was mentioned (the finance minister mentioned it and that triggered his wife and he ended up dead next morning l) that her widowed mother had an affair.
So yeah Pil Jak seems like the product of her mothers affair. And hence she slapped him when he called her ‘noonim’. Like you said she despises him and they are serving the elder, probably the Queen Dowager?
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Britney
January 29, 2024 at 6:27 AM
I know they're half siblings; I still think her charity work is a scam or cover for his dealings. Maybe she scopes out areas that have alot of children so he can kidnap and sell them or something.
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seyhan
January 29, 2024 at 5:05 AM
I think we might see Lady Vicious again as she has clearly caught the minister's wife's lie that the ring belonged to her late husband. She's onto her.
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ar_arguably romantic
January 29, 2024 at 4:49 PM
I feel so naïve - I just thought she did charity work as a way to atone for perhaps her role in killing the king, but it makes so much more sense that the charity work is a cover for all the illicit activities.
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8 Blue (@mayhemf)
January 29, 2024 at 4:51 AM
I love the show but I can’t help be super stressed when Yeo Hwa and grand merchant were being reckless entering the criminal agency. I mean, this would put grand merchant in grave danger and she left behind the vial. This is going to come back in later episodes for sure.
I want all our good folks to make it alive by the end of the show.
Park Su Ho 😍😍
That’s the face of a smitten man!! He is so smitten that all of Hanyang’s tables are in trouble. Lol.
I loved how from intrigue he is now so deep in his care and concern for her. His bouts of jealousy when he mistook her to have a lover and also having visited water mills!! What were you thinking Su Ho 😀
I know Yeon Hwa has had some attraction and she definitely sees him as a trustworthy person. So I hope she allows herself to feel for him. There is so much chemistry when they are together. The show did a great job here. That last scene of Ep 6 was beautiful.
I know it will get all angsty at some point. I worried at the foreboding ‘secret lover was willing to give up his life for Lady Baek’. I hope it’s not telling us Park Su Ho would make the same decisions down the line to protect Yeon Hwa.
The epilogues in this show are absolutely hilarious. I rewatch them multiple times.
Yeon Hwa needs a crash course on water mill activities and hand clapping 🤣. I bet there are books in the library for the same.
Also, the librarian knows right? He is cahoots with the royal secretary right?
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seyhan
January 29, 2024 at 5:25 AM
"I know it will get all angsty at some point. I worried at the foreboding ‘secret lover was willing to give up his life for Lady Baek’. I hope it’s not telling us Park Su Ho would make the same decisions down the line to protect Yeon Hwa." I fear that the fan belonging to Su-ho will come into play down the line. The last time we saw it, it was unceremoniously pushed under a table in her room by Yeon-hwa.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
January 29, 2024 at 11:00 AM
oh! I missed the fan.. I should go rewatch!
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seyhan
January 29, 2024 at 11:38 AM
It was in the first episode I think. I also wonder about that single shoe Su-hoo has.
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9 Relisher
January 29, 2024 at 5:09 AM
The show continues to be amazingly entertaining even with the dark parts and i hope they keep it up because i really enjoyed both these episodes. Yeohwa is such a hoot, without becoming a cartoon and carrying through the serious bits too, bless Honey Lee.
The two leads continue to have wonderful chemistry and I'm glad she came clean to him, though of course he already knew. With antagonists who won't respect any laws or decency, then working from their own strengths together is necessary. Both of them being already deep into each other without fully realizing it was as funny as the needling between them too.
I loved that lady Baek's story ended in happiness and freedom and I loved So-Woon teasing Yeohwa with stories of their passion and Yeohwa herself hilariously thinking about lady baek and her lover when her mother in law was telling her to learn from her.
Lady Oh turns out to be a surprising villain. I assumed she killed her husband because he was an abusive waste of space and i was all for it but she's mixed up in much worse, the flower petals was an intriguing weapon and it made the mystery more interesting to me.
I'm still not sure I care about yoon hak romancing Yeon seon but i did like their conversation, i always appreciate platonic attachments in dramas where romantic feelings will never be a factor and instead people are just concerned about others who they consider family, biological or found. I'm glad Yeohwa and Soo Ho have them in their corners.
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10 jillian
January 29, 2024 at 5:19 AM
The leads interaction is always the highlight for me. I love that Soo Ho was jealous when he thought the servant was YH'S secret lover. Also his cutesy drunk moments with his hyung.
The new character is sure to stir up trouble once he is caught by his parents. It makes me look forward to how the show will handle the aftermath.
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11 misshoggy
January 29, 2024 at 6:45 AM
I just find Yeohwa’s reaction to any mention of “relationship intimacy” hilarious, especially Ep. 6 epilogue. The noble ladies used water mills and hand clapping as euphemism, but the grand merchant was so direct about the loud love making just to tease Yeohwa was just gold!
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12 Mrs Buckwheat
January 29, 2024 at 2:54 PM
The ML is doing a fabulous job here, well and truly holding his own with his more experienced sunbae's. There is something captivating about his doe like eyes and nuanced facial expressions. His character is a delight to watch.
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kiara
January 29, 2024 at 3:53 PM
I am pleased, and I like him a lot. He was well prepared on top of looking great in a Joseon gat. 😍 (Keep the mane of glory).
I expected a one-woman show with Honey Lee, but he is commendable for a first sageuk lead.
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13 ar_arguably romantic
January 29, 2024 at 5:11 PM
This drama doesn't hit me emotionally much, but it's so much fun. I love Yeo-hwa's energy. Her sneak attack of sending off Su-ho's horse was clever and excellent! Su-ho walks a fine line between helping her /acknowledging her POV and sticking with the rules. It's a nice balance. I loved how he got so concerned over her being the widow in the affair.
HIs assistant is a lot of fun to watch too. I love how he's a fan of Yeo-hwa as Midam-nim. I ship him with the Su-ho fangirl.
Yeon-seon is a sweetheart. I look forward to seeing her be able to let go of her worries for her mistress.
Yoon-hak is also as sweetheart, though I'm not sure about shipping him with Yeon-seon unless he makes a conscious decision to pursue marriage with this gal. But I really want to see her become a grand merchant first.
I'm really disappointed in father-in-law. I wonder if big brother may have stayed away because the FIL has Yeo-hwa pretty much hostage by marriage. Why else would a Left Minister's family acquire Yeo-hwa as a daughter-in-law instead of some other minister's daughter?
If I had access to such a rare poison, I would have poisoned the Finance Minister years ago!
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14 bong-soo
January 29, 2024 at 8:40 PM
For all six episodes Jung Yong-ju playing Bi-chan (ah) (Soo-ho’s right hand/straight man) has reminded me of character actor Kim Hyun-mok.
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15 SooHa
January 29, 2024 at 9:11 PM
I came a bit late for this drama. Did marathon 6 eps in raw and I love it. Actually I came across accidently when Kocowa upload the clip eps 6 and it show in my YT feed. At first I thought Honey Lee is LJW sister because of their age gap LoL, I didn't know both of them will be couple lead XD
But who can't love Honey as Yeo-hwa, she just so adorable and funny and I really love to see LJW again after Golden Spoon, he really deserved a big main role, hopefully with the pair that close with his age. But for now, I love both leads, 2nd leads and all the supporting roles here. I think there's no waste of cast in here, they are shine in their role.
The drama is light and fun and I like them to keep that way. Can't wait to see for their romance to bloom. And as much as this drama has similarity with The Matchmakers. For once, I hope it has a happy ending with different closure.
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indyfan
January 30, 2024 at 8:36 AM
He’s doing great. And I hope he continues to be cast with whomever he has great chemistry with, irrespective of their age.
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16 Misky
January 30, 2024 at 5:39 AM
That sing song voice! Has there ever been a character that talks like that before ?!
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