My Dearest: Episodes 5-6
by alathe
Our OTP has collided with one another in the deadliest of circumstances. It’s not long before war will break them apart again. For a moment, though, there’s room to breathe… and perhaps to re-litigate precisely where our heroine looked when war broke out!
EPISODES 5-6
What do you do when the woman of your dreams calls you “husband” across a battlefield? You mock her mercilessly, of course! Unfortunately, Jang-hyun pokes at Gil-chae’s pride a little too vigorously. Mortified, Gil-chae deals the lowest blow she can muster, claiming she’d mistaken him for Yeon-joon — and, boy, does that one land. Jang-hyun goes sullen and silent. Still, he’s also got some inkling of what it cost her to get this far: her discarded dagger is crusted over with blood. I’m proud of you, he says — dead sincere, and utterly non-judgemental.
The mountainside meetup draws to a close; Jang-hyun and his fellows set off for Mt. Gwanggyo, where the Joseon soldiers seek to rescue the king. It is with grim resignation, and the dawning horror that this is his life now, that Jang-hyun has sworn to prevent Yeon-joon from throwing himself on the Qing army’s swords. It’s no small task. When Yeon-joon’s not passionately monologuing about how proper it is to die for one’s king, he’s squeezing his eyes shut and windmilling his sword about at random. Still, Jang-hyun manages to shield him to the point where the worst he gets is lightly stabbed.
Also suffering because of other people’s idealism? Yeah, that’d be Gil-chae. When your best friend is determined to nurse wounded soldiers, it’s really hard to tell her “I hate manual labor in all forms.” In short, our poor girl is forced to help people, out of the goodness of her own heart, or something equally gross! Still, she’s kind of getting into it. When a boy grips her hand and deliriously calls her mother, she sighs and plays along. Granted, she drops him pretty fast when a new group of soldiers burst into the camp. But it’s the thought that counts.
Jang-hyun’s eyes anchor to her across the crowd. She meets his gaze. Then, she spots the injured Yeon-joon. As she flounces past him without a word, our hero regards her sadly — his own wound dripping, neglected. Oh, my heart. He needn’t worry, though: like a moth to a flame, Gil-chae returns, to yell at him for slacking in his bodyguard duties. Accusations are made. Jondaemal is dropped. Our OTP is gearing up for a truly embarrassing row, right up until Gil-chae spots that Jang-hyun is bleeding — at which point, medical instinct and tightly-repressed feelings kick in. He’d better not slink away before she bandages him! (She’s getting pretty good at this bandaging thing.)
As Jang-hyun watches her leave, the ever-empathetic Eun-ae sneaks in for a quiet word. Gil-chae, she insists, looked at you when news of war broke out. Sunshine breaks across Jang-hyun’s face, because wow has our guy got it bad. When he confronts Gil-chae about it, she gives him a guilty, hand-in-the-cookie-jar glance, and snaps that there’s no law against looking at people. Be that as it may, it’s enough to give Jang-hyun hope.
And so, later, he approaches Gil-chae with a proposal. No, not that kind — not quite. The difference, he declares, between the character for “lover” and “stranger” is one stroke: “some.” Why not spend “some” time together? Get to know one another, decide how they feel… in order words, date? He’s several centuries too early for this kind of talk, and Gil-chae is loudly scandalized. Still, the two keep falling into each other’s orbit. When the women have to cross a stream back to camp, Jang-hyun offers to carry each one over. Gil-chae is last, and deeply disgruntled about it. What’s the difference, she insists, between spending “some” time with me, and all those other women? Scooping her up, Jang-hyun replies, with glorious sincerity: my heart. Gil-chae is stunned. She can’t help but get distracted by the closeness. Despite herself, she reaches out to touch his cheek.
This fragile peace can’t last. Soon, all soldiers are called back for a suicidal last stand. Jang-hyun cringes: dulce et decorum est is so not his style. But who says they have to fight head-on? Under Jang-hyun’s leadership, a small troop are dragged into the Qing camp disguised as corpses, launching a spectacular ambush. For the first time, Joseon carries the day! Alas, hot on the heels of victory comes crushing news: due to lack of supplies, the army is being dismissed. Unfortunately for our reluctant hero, it’s not quite game over. One soldier, a palace eunuch, is adamant that they sneak into the king’s fortress to give news of the recent victory… and guess who gets guilt-tripped into tagging along?
Poor Jang-hyun. Never has a fan-toting smuggler with a heart of gold been forced to suffer quite so many situations. Case in point: he fast becomes embroiled in a royal scheme. The first thing CROWN PRINCE SO-HYUN (Kim Mu-joon) does is fling a tray at Jang-hyun’s head for his lack of deference. As Jang-hyun quietly bleeds, the second thing he does is demand his help. For reasons unknown, the Khan is in Joseon — and they need an expert to figure out why.
Upon hearing this, Ryang-eum makes his usual plea to Jang-hyun: screw politics — let’s bail! (Ideally, hand in hand, into the sunset. But he’s not picky.) However, Jang-hyun has promises to keep. When he and Gil-chae parted, she was furious. Why, after all his pretty words, would he abandon her? In the hopes of getting her to understand, he’d made a vow. Gil-chae, he urged, must flee to Ganghwa-do: the island where the grand heir is protected. But by the light of the moon, he swore, he would meet her there. And so, now, Gil-chae huddles amongst refugees in an island cave, turning over his words in her head. Meanwhile, Jang-hyun and Ryang-eum prepare to pull off their deadliest ruse yet: infiltrating the Qing army.
The plan is simple — and thus unbelievably risky. Dressed as a servant, Ryang-eum will sing, attracting the attention of the Khan. This part works flawlessly. But soon after, our heroes are whisked away by his far-more-skeptical general. As they’re strung up and interrogated, it becomes clear that Ryang-eum can endure anything… besides seeing Jang-hyun hurt. And so they go about hurting him. By the time the questioning is over, his feet are a mess of blood, and everyone’s backstories — true or false — are stripped bare.
Jang-hyun claims to have been born as a Joseon slave; the mistreatment he suffered taught him to hate his home. This has the ring of plausibility to it — after all, there’s been foreshadowing aplenty. Ryang-eum’s story is signed and sealed with a disturbing flashback. His mother was a nomadic Jurchen; his father, from Joseon. After losing both parents, he too was enslaved at a government office. Branded and abused by an evil man, he was rescued by Jang-hyun. And if they don’t believe him? He’ll bite his tongue and die right now — then, who’ll sing for the Khan? As the soldiers leave, he collapses weeping at Jang-hyun’s bloodied feet. Jang-hyun… smiles. You did well, he says.
Though the general remains suspicious, our heroes — sans an indeterminate number of toenails — are in the clear. From within the camp, they bear witness to increasingly fraught negotiations with Joseon. KING INJO (Kim Jong-tae), faced with fast-dwindling forces and even faster-dwindling provisions, agrees to accept the Khan as his ruler — though not before openly weeping in front of the court. But this is just the first demand. The Khan refuses further diplomacy until King Injo leaves his fortress. Prince So-hyun begs his father to comply, but is met with a kingly wall of disdain. This last humiliation, he utterly refuses.
Jang-hyun has little truck with royalty, but he does note that the Qing seem oddly impatient. Ryang-eum’s appointments to sing for the Khan have been suspended. All of this points to a problem from within. Sure enough — a smallpox epidemic is tearing its way through camp.
Still, the Khan is adamant that neither illness, nor a stubborn king, will stop him now. Not when he’s risked everything for this. And so, he makes his gamble: he’ll send troops to Ganghwa-do, the “safest place in Joseon.” What follows is horrific. Women struggle to outrun soldiers, throwing themselves from the cliff side rather than be raped and murdered. But the Joseon government is almost as cruel: when reinforcements arrive, it is only to rescue the crown prince’s son. Ordinary villagers are thrown away from the boat, and left screaming.
Still, amid the horror, Gil-chae spots opportunity. There’s a man riding on the beach with a baby in his arms — the grand heir! An arrow catches him, sending him sprawling. Our girl doesn’t hesitate: she snatches up the baby from the sand. Dodging arrows, she sprints to the shore, in time to breathlessly demand passage. The soldiers consider — and, when she stubbornly brandishes the infant, they agree. Bang Doo, Eun-ae, and Gil-chae squeeze into the boat. But as Jong Jong climbs in, an arm grabs her. It’s a woman, helpless and desperate, begging them to take her baby too. Gil-chae moves fast. Out comes the dagger. Mercy is a distant memory: she plunges it into the woman’s arm, again and again, until her hold loosens. As the boat departs, the Qing army corner the desperate crowd.
Gil-chae hardly notices the dagger slip from her hands; it’s pocketed by a Qing soldier. Later, the same man returns to the the Khan’s camp — bloodstained, and convulsing from smallpox. Here, Jang-hyun spots the trophy and seizes him by the throat, demanding to know where he found it. The answer is punctuated by a sputter of blood: from a girl who may or may not have died. Jang-hyun is so distraught that he forgets the cardinal rules of lockdown… wash your hands, stay masked, and uh, don’t let anyone cough in your face. Ryang-eum is terrified for him — Jang-hyun seems hellbent on dying in hundreds of inventive ways. Nothing can stop him from volunteering to sail to Ganghwa-do.
The women struggle to keep pace with their rescuers, knowing one thing for certain: they’re expendable. Bang Doo is ordered to breastfeed the grand heir, leaving nothing for her own child. Once she’s done, the soldiers order them to take another route, where a boat is waiting. Gil-chae narrows her eyes. If anyone is equipped to spot a self-interested ploy, it’s our heroine. But there’s little they can do other than walk… right into the path of more invaders. They’ve been set up as bait.
They scramble to hide, but the baby’s cries betray them. Luckily, hidden in the troop is Jang-hyun, who volunteers to scout around. But as he approaches, he keels over and coughs. There’s blood on his hand. As he spots Gil-chae, he starts forward — then, with an expression that outright pulverizes my heart, realizes he can’t. He’ll infect her. He can only watch as she leaves, unaware that he fulfilled his promise.
When he turns back, it’s the general’s face he sees. He launches himself at him, using every improvised weapon he can grasp — his scarf, his sword, a nearby rock. Gil-chae hears shouts and glances back, but it’s all too confused; she keeps running. A moment later, it clicks: that half-discernible face beneath the hood. Jang-hyun’s promise. Telling her friends to go on, she darts back towards the fight. Meanwhile, Jang-hyun now faces a dozen warriors. The jig is up. Ever-prepared to go out in style, he rips off his hat to reveal his Joseon topknot — before launching into battle. He’s a marvel with a sword: enemies drop around him like stones. But a wave of dizziness engulfs him as the smallpox takes its revenge. Wounded, and flagging, he launches himself at his last attacker.
I didn’t think I could love Gil-chae more until she… well, um, until she stabbed an innocent woman to protect her maid. There’s probably no accounting for taste, but I just love that this series won’t cut corners: it’s a horrific situation, and our heroine can’t stay naive or blameless. Moreover, another, more thoughtless series would have chosen to have Jong Jong abandoned on the island, or Bang Doo die in childbirth. Instead, although these women have minor roles, their humanity is acknowledged. I’m even tentatively impressed by the depth they’re bringing to Ryang-eum: although his (implied) queerness exists only to make him tragic — which is annoying — he’s got a lot of guts, and I care a great deal about him.
As for Jang-hyun — good grief, the man suffers so beautifully! Over and over again, he’s done nothing but bleed for Gil-chae. Then again, who wouldn’t give a few toenails for the sake of causing Gil-chae to do her deer-in-the-headlights, dammit-you-caught-me expression when she’s called on the fact that she cares? Jang-hyun truly loves her for who she is: her ruthlessness, her ridiculousness, and her not-so-hidden depths. Meanwhile, Gil-chae is slowly beginning to see him. First, it was truly looking at him — and facing her own attraction — when he carried her over the stream. Now, it’s recognizing him, face hidden, mid-combat, on the strength of trust alone. And that’s the crux of it: dirty, unkempt, disguised… no matter what, our OTP sees one another. If it all ends in, “frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn,” I’ll cry for days!
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1 💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
August 20, 2023 at 2:13 PM
Nooooooooooo! Are you kidding me?! We're not READY. 🤣🤣😭
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narrative addict
August 21, 2023 at 10:21 AM
Pretty fine recap from @alathe in so short a space of time.
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2 Snow Flower
August 20, 2023 at 2:18 PM
Oh. My. I have no words for these episodes.
I posted info on Manchu people and the octagonal drum on my wall.
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kiara
August 20, 2023 at 4:00 PM
Awesome!
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bbstl 🧹
August 20, 2023 at 4:01 PM
Thanks for that, I followed it from link to link for three hours! I have more in my head than I know what to do with but feel like I’ve done the work and can now watch! Ok. I can do this.
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3 kiara
August 20, 2023 at 2:26 PM
I'm exhausted
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Mrs Buckwheat
August 20, 2023 at 3:17 PM
But it was good, right? :)
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kiara
August 20, 2023 at 3:57 PM
Right. Now I will lock myself in my room until I finish our timeline. I also want to do a separate "Qing Edition." I'm having fun with it, but it's exhausting at the same time. 😄
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
August 20, 2023 at 3:23 PM
Same 😵
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Isa is always time travelling
August 20, 2023 at 3:59 PM
That was exactly my feeling after watching Episodes 5 and 6 in a row.
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kiara
August 20, 2023 at 8:35 PM
MY DEAREST TIMELINE: EPISODE 5 and 6. (Part 1).
TRANSFRONTIERSMEN
Ryang-eum and General Mafuta.
Matrimonial relations seem to have been a source for Joseon's transfrontiersmen. Since its beginning, the Yi Dynasty had used marriage as a means of controlling Jurchen tribesmen along the northern frontier. Jurchen frontiermen and immigrants were allowed to take Joseon wives. Yi rulers also gave brides to Jurchen chieftains who served as their bodyguards or visited their courts. When staying in Korea, descendants of such unions were considered Joseon subjects.
After defeating Joseon in 1637 (current invasion), Hong Taiji demanded their repatriation. Under pressure, Joseon returned them but refused to let their Joseon mothers go with them. Naturally, these repatriates became "transfrontiersmen.
Assimilated Jurchens made up a special source for Joseon transfrontiersmen. As stated, Jurchens constituted a significant component of Joseon's population along the northern frontier. In time they were assimilated and played a role in the founding of the Yi dynasty. Some served Yi as high officials. For a variety of reasons, many rejoined the Jurchens. Mafuta, a Tatara clansman, offers the most telling case.
He and his kin crossed the Tumen River, settled inside Joseon, and became its subjects. Under Mafuta, they rejoined the Manchus. Since then, they had cut off their social and cultural roots in Joseon and followed the Manchu way. During the early Qing, he became a ranking official and frequented Joseon to carry out diplomatic missions. Mafuta and his men were certainly transfrontiersmen.
(Our Ryang-eum: will he go back to his mother's land or stay in his father's land?)
GENERAL MAFUTA's CAT and MOUSE game with the Joseon court was probably a payback for how they treated them earlier.
(Wikipedia)
The Kingdom of Joseon continued to show ambivalence toward the Qing dynasty after the invasion in 1627. Later Jin accused Joseon of harboring fugitives and supplying the Ming army with grain. In addition, Joseon did not recognize Hong Taiji's newly declared dynasty. The Manchu delegates Inggūldai and Mafuta received a cold reception in Hanseong, and King Injo refused to meet with them or even send a letter, which shocked the delegates. A warlike message to Pyongan Province was also carelessly allowed to be seized by Inggūldai.
The beile (Qing princes) were furious with Joseon's response to Qing overtures and proposed an immediate invasion, but Hong Taiji chose to conduct a raid against Ming first. Although they were ultimately repelled, the raid made it clear that Ming defenses were no longer fully capable of securing their borders. After this successful operation, Hong Taiji turned towards Joseon and launched an attack in December 1636.
(from Na Man'gap's Diary of 1636).
DECEMBER 18, 1636:
-The magistrate of Cheongju thought that transporting the provisions into the mountain fortress was a nuisance. Instead, he set up...
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kiara
August 20, 2023 at 8:38 PM
(from Na Man'gap's Diary of 1636).
DECEMBER 18, 1636:
-The magistrate of Cheongju thought that transporting the provisions into the mountain fortress was a nuisance. Instead, he set up armored storehouse on the bank of the river, and all the military provisions were stored in this granary and the old city granary. But now, the enemy soldiers had seized them all. (Eps 6:Jang Hyun reports to Crown Prince Sohyeon."They confiscated the rice and grains by taking over the finance offices in the capital city and stored enough food for the army. The horses also have been fed well and have gotten good rest. Thus, they have a nice sheen to them.")
DECEMBER 19:
- General Ku Koeng left the fortress, recruited troops, and killed approximately 20 enemy soldiers.
DECEMBER 20:
- General Mafuta dispatched the barbarian interpreter Chong Myongsu and requested he conclude the peace treaty. His Highness summoned Kim Yu and asked if he should or should not reply. Kim Yu said, "You should open the gate and dispatch an important official." Ma Man'gap, the author of this diary, convinced His Majesty that if he negotiate for peace now, the morale of the soldiers will certainly fall. The king followed Ma's suggestion.
DECEMBER 22:
- General Mafuta again dispatched an interpreter saying, "From this day forward, you don't have to send the crown prince. If one prince and a high-ranking minister can be dispatched, we can conduct peace negotiations." His Highness still did not permit it.
DECEMBER 25:
- His Highness said, " The Luna New Year is approaching. I will send oxen and alcohol to the Manchu as gifts. Also, fill small silver bowls to their brims with fruit and send them, reminding them of old times' sake.
DECEMBER 26:
-Kim Sin'guk and Yi Kyongjik took oxen, alcohol, and silver bowls to the enemy camp. The enemy said, " We catch our own oxen and drink alcohol every day in our military camps. These treasures piled up as high as mountains, so what are we going to do with these things you brought us? The king of your country and his officials have retreated to a stone cave and have been starving for a long time. Take these items back, and your people should use them. Our king was humiliated, and our officials were killed. (Eps 6 - observed by Jang Hyun and Ryang-eum).
DECEMBER 30:
- Na Man'gap: The enemy forces grew larger day by day. Our reinforcements were unable to reach us, and our situation deteriorated daily. Our troops had no intention of fighting.
VIDEO - Hong Taiji.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jj-xaJyP1w&t=2s&ab_channel=HistoryofChina
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
August 21, 2023 at 12:01 AM
Oh, Kiara, I had a question.
I remembered after posting my thing this morning ofc, that the general that questions and tortures our boys, mentioned that Gwanghae had sent a spy, Ha Seo Guk, to find out what the Jin was up to and he had deceived the Emperor and said general.
Is this part of history? Based on something? or just fictional for that scene (or perhaps to be important down the line)?
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kiara
August 21, 2023 at 6:54 AM
Yes, Gwanghae is guilty as charged, but what king doesn't have spies in potential enemy territory?
He discreetly instructed the commanding general to evaluate the war scenario and surrender to Jin if they emerged victorious over the Mings.
His aim was to avert Jin's possible invasion as retribution for assisting the Mings. (But you may already be aware of this part.)
kiara
August 21, 2023 at 8:14 AM
IIRC, when it was discovered, Gwanghae quickly sent a letter to Jin congratulating the Khan of Jin for winning the war. LOL
That's probably why Khan Nurhaci let it go.
💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
August 21, 2023 at 2:33 PM
Lmao nice so it was a historical anecdote.
It's all just valid diplomacy if you ask me, LOL.
kiara
August 23, 2023 at 9:51 PM
@sicarius
It made me laugh because he had the nerve to ask for more.
For my amusement, I could imagine him saying. "Congratulations for beating our as..s. You must be in a generous mood. Please send my loser soldiers home, oh mighty Khan of the Great Jin."😂
💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
August 23, 2023 at 11:09 PM
🤣🤣🤣 I'm cackling. Need a humorous but cunning Gwanghae portrayal like, now.
KDramaJoy
September 13, 2023 at 7:01 AM
Thanks as always. Video - good. Its map was really helpful.
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4 Relisher
August 20, 2023 at 2:34 PM
I definitely wept during the boat scene where Gil Chae's horrified by what she did and Eun Ae tells Gil Chae not to think about it because she'd saved Jong Jong and she'd saved all three of them throughout their journey. I loved it, it was such a beautiful moment between them and an acknowledgement of Gil Chae's strength, even with the reason for it being so dark and hopeless. Also, she didn't stab the woman I think, just hit her hand with the knife still in its sheath to make her loosen her grip, but it was still brutal and ends in the woman's ultimate death, but was almost unavoidable to save Jong Jong.
The selfishness of the Joseon king who cares more about his facade of dignity and the military who are more interested in preserving the royals than caring about the common people has been a pretty consistent thread. I love how unforgiving this drama has been with it's choices of war, nothing's been prettied up to make things look glorious instead of stark and horrible in the choices people end up making and the suffering it brings. Also, kudos to the makeup department for actually making people, especially the women, look grimy on the run.
I also really love how they've managed to keep the banter so fun between the two leads sometimes too in between the horror and misery. They quibbled like kids and her using banmal on him and him yelling back that he was older was hilarious. I also liked that the story had him feel so clearly hurt by her implying he let Yeon Jun get hurt by being careless, but then fixed it right away by having her notice his own injury and make sure she fixed him up, all thoughts of Yeon Jun completely forgotten.
She can't fully trust him to be a partner in the way the times dictate because he keeps talking about how he doesn't believe in marriage but she has intense feelings for him anyway, and for all that he keeps blabbering on about how he doesn't believe in marriage, the insane stunts he keeps pulling to keep her safe and get back to her, makes his claims of wanting things to just be casual look laughable.
The political stuff is a bit more boring to me, though I did end up looking up the basics of what happened back then so now I'm a little more curious about seeing how they deal with it in the show, especially since next week's preview has everyone sparkly clean again.
Finally, love the mutual lusting both of them were doing at the creek. Love it when both leads are gorgeous, because close ups of their faces are great XD Him saying his feelings were different when it came to her and her reaching up to trace the path of the sweat down his cheek in a daze, what an excellent scene! This drama is really delivering on the romantic connection.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
August 20, 2023 at 5:40 PM
My heart hurt for Jang-hyun every time his face dropped.
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lapislazulii
August 20, 2023 at 6:01 PM
mee tooo :(
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5 miso
August 20, 2023 at 2:36 PM
It's a miracle I didn't pass out from holding my breath through most of Ep. 6. So, so well-written, well-paced and well-acted. There was a moment where I almost shrieked for real to warn Gil-chae 😅.
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angelshadows50
August 21, 2023 at 12:46 PM
Completely agree. I have watched ep. 6 already five times, and will watch it a sixth tonight, I think. There is sooo much historical stuff in there I never knew about or had heard of before (being born and educated in Europe, i.e. European history pretty much only). That's one of the major reasons I love sageuks by now. History in East Asia is also along Yuval Noah Harari's « famine, war and plague » storyline (as in Europe) but the nuances and reasonings are different. I also like the sound of the Korean language (having been interested in Japanese for decades). So, let's go back and read up on the Khan. — Oh, I have a question: is the language the « barbarians » speak authentic, does anyone know? @kiara, maybe ..
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
August 21, 2023 at 1:41 PM
👋welcome to the Beanie comments section it’s good to have you here and hope you have fun in this epic drama comments section.
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angelshadows50
August 21, 2023 at 2:36 PM
Thanks @Reply1988 ! I will .... I have a question how to do stuff in Beanieworld: I found some interesting info re Ep1 of 연인 , Gil Chae's dream sequence, which lasts for a whopping 5 minutes! I was trying to put the information on my fan wall, but after typing 2 lines I get cut off. Any suggestion what I should do?
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
August 21, 2023 at 3:09 PM
If you type offline in word or notes and then paste it onto your fan wall it will work. You can not edit it on the fan wall as it will revert back to the 200 characters. @attiton has written about the fan wall in an Open thread comment and when she sees this will add the link for you which has details on how to format the text and add gifs and other pictures.
kiara
August 21, 2023 at 6:06 PM
Welcome :).
Unfortunately, the Manchu language is on the verge of extinction.😟
I have listened to it enough to recognize it, but I cannot confirm if it's authentic. I believe that the actors are doing their best.
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
August 23, 2023 at 9:29 PM
Which FEELS insane, given how dominant Qing China was for a while there, and that it was Manchu led. But given that court dialect/Middle Mandarin was the common spoken language of administration, and so the late imperial lingua franca, maybe it's less insane than I want it to be. Still 😭😭
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kiara
August 23, 2023 at 10:24 PM
It makes me sad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHr1f5V2hzA&ab_channel=SixthTone
It's been a few millenniums. But it feels like there is still bad blood between the descendants of Han China and the Manchus.
💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
August 23, 2023 at 9:32 PM
6 times! My goodness. Somehow my measly 2x as of tomorrow feels inadequate now in comparison, lmao.
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angelshadows50
August 24, 2023 at 6:53 AM
Well, @Sicarius, the first time in a gorgeous torrent version of the UHD MBC original .... of which I understand not much bare a few words along the lines of « mama » or « aigoo » ... then a day later than the Korean original I can view the English subtitled Viki version here in Europe. I also found out that often subtitles by Kocowa are somewhat more comprehensively than the Viki ones (for this show at least). Except that Viki has almost always the song lyrics translated as well which I love! Music is such an integral part of K-Drama I find. — Okay, only 24 hours and a bit more to go, and Eps. 7 will be out .... yippee!! — The other stuff I want to say, I post in a new comment ... that would be no. 40 it seems. So much interesting info in these posts, I can't keep up! Thanks everyone ...
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
August 24, 2023 at 11:59 PM
Ahahaha that's awesome. Your dedication is admirable.
(I also can barely keep up, I feel ya.)
6 Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
August 20, 2023 at 2:52 PM
Desperate struggle to fight off brutal uninvited intruders... Gee, where have I been hearing about that kind of thing lately?
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Gikata
August 20, 2023 at 5:16 PM
Consider yourself very lucky to only HEAR about it.
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7 💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
August 20, 2023 at 3:02 PM
Frak. Ok … Hey, team. How we doing?
First of all, this is going to be Round One, and it is going to be incohesive and sporadic and overstimulated summary, just like my brain. I am in no way at all properly prepared for this recap, I am still processing Episode 6 dammit, and I am definitely going to have to rewatch these episodes because there is definitely stuff I missed first time round, just like I will come back to this thread and expand on certain things, later today, tomorrow, throughout the week.
Second of all, this is the kind of show I wish was getting a recap for every episode, rather than just every week. Because there’s just. TOO much.
Where to sTART.
STORY and CHARACTERS
- This show sure does know how to provide stakes and then some doesn’t it. I wasn’t really sure we could top last week with episode 4, but 6, ooph, 6.
- Me during 5: no don't go to Ganghwa island! That's a bad idea!
Also me during 5: no do go to Ganghwa Island so you can have a super angsty high stakes reunion.
Me during 6: see I told you so
- The Monk with the cold feet and keeling over in the snow, from cold and starvation, and Yeon Jun slowly having inferred doubts about this ideology he has committed to.
- I found this line last week replacing the red string of fate to the red string of faith and I thought it was TOO apt for this show regarding my conversation with @isagc Last week about the idea that you look to the person you RELY on.
And these two are definitely linked by the red string of
fatefaith aren’t they phewAnd also the moon
And also that knife
- The emotional and character frenzy of 5 was intense in itself, only to be followed by 6 has left me reeling and I may not recover.
- I want to rewatch the sequence of scenes at the beginning of 5 especially to analyse said character because it was a lot to take in.
Jang Hyun deflecting with constantly teasing her, to his pained and melancholy stares after taking Yeon Jun to the infirmary, to their fight, to straight back to the deflecting, denial coping mechanism flirting, and then outright unashamed flirting, and that freaking carrying across the ford scene (oi!), only for when her to actually respond to him seriously to cut it out, for him to drop the act almost immediately, and turn serious HIMSELF, only for her to not take him seriously THEN. I actually needed the breather of them separated again, because they were about set something on fire, I swear.
- Those parallel stares across the campfire and the infirmary though…
- His sarcastic comments mid pep talk and mid battle
- Ryang Eum with the gun.
- The number of shots of our three amigos sitting or standing or on looking from the sidelines like "can you believe these people"
- If 4 was mainly Gil Chae’s episode to Go Through It™
Then 6 was Jang Hyun’s. (GC still had that heart wrenching scene on the boat) but MY GOSH
Toenails, gone, probably only...
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
August 20, 2023 at 3:08 PM
... just starting to grow back by the time he gets to the island, why did I spend a month in the Qing camp again? Fighting in a war I don’t even believe in? the plague? Yeahp got that too. Sent your girl to her death? We thought. The relief of seeing her alive only to know you can’t go to her cos did I mention Plague? Oh and now the Qing are cutting me to pieces. But on I press.
- GIL CHAE AND HANDS oh my sweet summer flower girl 😭😭😭
~✨ loss of innoooocenCE ✨~
- I had a hunch Ryang Eum was half (insert preferred demonym here I honestly can’t pick one there are four the semantics of which I need to study more) and my hunch was correct.
And also betrayal from him later is seeming a LOT less likely now. It would take an AWFUL lot to get that kid to betray Jang Hyun. Not impossible, but an awful lot nonetheless.
Ow, ow, I’m anticipating the pain no matter what happens.
HISTORY and POLITICS
This is probably going to be the most bitsy, I just...
- The entirety of EP 6 I was just going “Well, if you hadn't deposed Gwanghae… 🙄”
- Perhaps the most frustrating episode politically so far. It was extremely hard hitting, but oh so frustrating. The King refusing to try and mediate, and then refusing to leave, like I want to try and understand your paranoia but also DUDE.
As the Qing general said, “Are you willing to defy our king just to shed blood and promote major conflict?”
- The scholars blaming Choi Myun Gil for wanting to send messengers originally, and “fearing to defy” the Qing...
- “You will receive criticism from future generations”…
- The show is balancing these conflicting ideas well though I think, and doing so in small emotional ways that make it all that much more impactful (again, the Monk with the shoes).
- Qing and Smallpox
- The Chahar
- Joseon, the Manchu and drinking animal blood. (heh)
- The song Ryang Eum sung, and that little drum
- What was the root of the Pro Ming Sentiments in Joseon? How far back to they go and from who and what faction did they arise?
- (GUN RABBIT HOLE PENDING)
- (MANCHURIAN RABBIT HOLE PENDING)
- !?!?!?!?!!!!!!!?
OTHER
- Travel Time and Rate of Injury Recovery in comparison to, a Map of Locations, in comparison to, the Timeline, in comparison to, Travel Distances.
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*takes a deep breath*
What’d I forget? Oh undeniably A LOT
(also that ENDING?)
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Isa is always time travelling
August 20, 2023 at 4:21 PM
Thanks for putting down in words all the memorable moments/sequences/feels that these episodes have given us.
And as you said, Episode 5 came back to the “the first person you looked at means…” and it was corroborated that it was because of faith/trust/reliance. High five!
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Snow Flower
August 20, 2023 at 4:22 PM
What if Ryang Eum DOES betray Jang Hyun and goes insane out of guilt?
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jillian
August 20, 2023 at 4:37 PM
I personally don't think he will. He seems to be very loyal to JH so he will not do anything to hurt him physically. If he would do anything bad, its most likely to drive a wedge between JH and GC.
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Gikata
August 20, 2023 at 5:23 PM
It's possible he'll do something HE himself won't consider as a betrayal but JH would. That kind of thing is bound to happen when two close people's priorities don't fully align. Like, for example, RE trying to save JH at the expense of GC...
💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
August 20, 2023 at 5:41 PM
I'll hand you a tissue box?
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lapislazulii
August 20, 2023 at 6:04 PM
I could see something similar to what Gitaka said happening: RE trying to drive a wedge between GC and JH because he's not thinking straight -> it backfiring and 'betraying' JH somehow -> RE goes insane out of guilt.
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kiara
August 20, 2023 at 9:16 PM
I don't doubt our lark's loyalty. He's gone through so much with Jang Hyun to turn on him. When he weeps over Jang Hyun's bloody feet, I teared up.
He finally called Jang Hyun Hyungnim. Does that mean he gives up his heart's desire and settles for the little brother role?
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Kurama
August 20, 2023 at 11:23 PM
But he might want to save Jang-Hyun from himself and take a decision that would betray Jang-Hyun.
jerrykuvira
August 21, 2023 at 5:54 AM
Loyalty can be a bit twisted sometimes, in tbe positive way I mean.
For the kind of relationship between RE and JH, it takes a great deal of mental rewiring on RE's part to display the same act or even an inch sacrifice to GC that RE shows JH. Is it called selective goodness, or selective loyalty or selective what-have-you?
And I believe RE's inability to see and regard GC as JH does might kickstart a turn of events. We already see it play out once when JH questioned him about who GC looked at and he lied that it was Yeon-jun.
All RE mainly cares about is JH's welfare. And if anything should hamper on that, even if it is something pivotal to JH, RE is ready to make an example of that thing/person/reason. As such I see him not being able to draw the line in an aspect of JH's life that JH holds dear.
This isn't the first time this kind of loyalty is happening. I respect their sense of deep attachment - RE's sense of deep attachment, and I'm not eager to see how this might be the undoing between RE and JH.
kiara
August 21, 2023 at 7:11 AM
Thank you both!
Out of all the characters, he is the one I feel protective over the most. He is part of both the two countries at war but neither one can be trusted with his loyalty. I'd say that Jang Hyun is his country.
Relisher
August 21, 2023 at 7:39 AM
I don't doubt Ryang Eum's loyalty either, and I don't think (I hope not) the show will try to make him do something bad out of jealousy because that would be pretty disappointing from a show that's been nuanced so far when it comes to many societal imbalances.
Calling Jang Hyun hyungnim doesn't really mean a familial bond though, and doesn't indicate him giving up his romantic aspirations. Hyung/Noona/Oppa etc. are all used for close relationships with age differences in both platonic and romantic senses, it's mostly just a way to denote closeness that goes beyond formal address, and acknowledges an age gap.
Kurama
August 21, 2023 at 7:53 AM
I really like him too!
I like how he's sensitive as an artist but badass as the shooter (bow or gun) of the group too!
He reminds me the muet girl in Mr Sunshine. She was the one who called the Japanese mafia to stop Ae-Shin. In her mind, she was protecting Dong-Mae to die because of Hae-Shin. But it's what happened, he saved her and wasn't really himself after.
kiara
August 21, 2023 at 8:54 AM
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kiara
August 21, 2023 at 12:17 PM
Nope, no criticism on Choi Myun Gil's part. He is the one that reminds me of Gwanghae. This whole thing would have been done and over within a week or two if they were thinking about the people first.
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
August 21, 2023 at 12:39 PM
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
August 21, 2023 at 2:38 PM
When the scholars blamed him and gave those reasons for doing so, in their courtyard wailing, I confess I rolled my eyes to high heaven.
Just another piece of the tapestry being laid though.
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kiara
August 23, 2023 at 10:46 PM
Jang Hyun underestimated how rotten this king could be to the gore. Gwangwha Island would be the safest place to go during an invasion if the king didn't sacrifice his flesh and blood. It was the last to fall.
I want to give Janh Hyun a pass based on the situation.
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
August 23, 2023 at 11:15 PM
I agree. To his knowledge, it completely WAS the safest place to send them. To us, because we have the light of history, we know it was not to be this time. Which adds to our sickened viewing lol.
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Relisher
August 20, 2023 at 4:44 PM
Jang Hyun mentioning how the monks were disrespected before but were now being used to help the king and then the story having introduced that, having Yeon Jun notice how the monk was freezing without shoes, and then just the audience seeing how he keeled over without a sound in the cold night, was such an interesting narrative thread. The constant underlining of the king/royalty and ministerial decisions being self serving vs in service of the people they rule over has been very nicely done. Not outright villainized as mustache twirling bad guys, but just so entrenched in their selfish worldview that the people of the kingdom are not respected or protected at all as any kind of priority.
On a more fun note, Jang Hyun muttering about sound of flowers as he reluctantly swashbuckles his way into the middle of a fight was hilarious.
Ryang Eum's backstory looked brutal, no wonder he's so dedicated to (in love with) Jang Hyun, I don't think they'll make him turn sour either, it really will be awful if they try that.
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lapislazulii
August 20, 2023 at 4:51 PM
"Not outright villainized as mustache twirling bad guys, but just so entrenched in their selfish worldview" -> yes this!! You described perfectly exactly what I was struggling to put into words before, I'm a big fan of this. We've had enough evil-cackling left or right state ministers in past dramas, it's nice to see a more nuanced take! I
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Blue (@mayhemf)
August 20, 2023 at 5:43 PM
Right? I also liked that Khan questioned how the someone who doesn’t fight is a king? You would think the king would lead the army to protect the country and his people but it’s just so different here.
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
August 20, 2023 at 6:18 PM
Yes, you articulated some of my thoughts about the internal politics of the court much better than me, thank you.
The show is doing a great job of making sure it hits the right emotional beats, so that you feel all the right things. The pity and the frustration, but also the commitment these people did have to their worldview, and what it means for them, even if it fails in true duty.
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jillian
August 20, 2023 at 8:33 PM
The king and his ministers are very frustrating with all their self serving agendas. I don't understand their thought process and defeatist attitude. Are they totally incapable of getting themselves out of this mess. Was their military power so weak that time?
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Linarrick
August 20, 2023 at 9:34 PM
@relisher every comment you posted I wholeheartedly agree with! This is definitely from the writer of REBEL. Jang-hyun’s distrust with royalty and knowing full well their selfishness was a sight. Especially his honest conversation with the Crown Prince. Jang-hyun’s motivations are for the people of Joseon (and of course mainly Gil-chae😉), he doesn’t believe in the fates or the heavens or some preordained ruler.
It’s a nice comparison to Yeon-joon who’s always believed this. His belief that the King will protect Joseon and therefore the people he loves is what motivated him to fight. But we can see him slowly realising this is not the case. Does the King really care for his ‘subjects’?
I don’t think the ruling class is all evil necessarily, but I like the critique and complexity, even tho this is a story about war, it’s not all black and white. Gil-chae having to do whatever needed for their survival. And Ryang-eum’s sad backstory really brings to light his point of view, why fight or care for a country that tried to subjugate and enslave him?
Maybe it’s too soon to say this, but I can’t deny that this is the best drama I’ve seen all year. It’s heartbreaking complex and beautiful
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narrative addict
August 21, 2023 at 10:03 AM
It’s a fine dramatic illustration of the complicated feelings you can have towards your country, whose rulers you despise.
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kiara
August 21, 2023 at 8:04 AM
The elitist attitude and mistreatment of monks by the Joseon dynasty can be traced back to the beginning of the Yi royal house. To justify their overthrow of the previous Goryeo dynasty, they blamed Buddhism and accused corrupt monks of contributing to Goryeo's downfall. Before their rise to power, they had already decided to replace Buddhism with Confucianism as the ideal way to govern the country. Despite their efforts to eliminate Buddhism, it remains the second-largest religion in Korea today.
During this time, the monks joined forces with the ordinary people in the Righteous Army. Although it is unlikely they fought for the king, they were likely motivated by a desire to serve their country.
It seems Jang Hyun is verbalizing thoughts that most people with rational thinking may have, but are hesitant to express due to the possibility of being charged with treason.
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bbstl 🧹
August 21, 2023 at 11:55 AM
Thanks! Very helpful to understand this!
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DancingEmma
October 25, 2023 at 4:48 AM
@Relisher: An insightful comment.
The insularity and self-deification of the King as exemplified by the Crown Prince reminded me why historically most royal families have claimed that the monarchs are the representatives of the Heavens. The real stories of bloodthirsty and tribal families playing the game of thrones until the most vicious and/or strategic one triumphs would not make a noble and heroic origin story.
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lapislazulii
August 20, 2023 at 4:49 PM
- See I've not yet started reading up on all of the history here so I was SHOCKED I tell you when they decided to to go the island, did not expect that in the slightest! I think you mentioned it somewhere Sic but history might just be this show's biggest spoiler, and I'm stuck between wanting to read what happens and also being surprised by the plot hahahaha
- Red String of Faith is my new favourite thing!! So apt! I love it!!
- Yeon-joon looking at the monk; that scene was SOMETHING. It was so short and like 'silent' but wowowowowow
- Big fan of characters not being one dimensional cut-outs; Yeon-joon being boring sure (I'm just mean) but still having those doubts creeping in and his awareness of his own ideology and what he's committing to, very meta. I take back what I said about being boring, he's become much more interesting now that we're seeing a few layers!! Same with CP, not likeable but also not a villain because he's the only one with a braincell in the palace (other than the other minister who was like we need to give in STAT). And Eun-ae too! I know she's been just sort of There and/or matchmaking our main duo but her presence has something you know what I mean? (I like you, can't seem to find the words today to vocalise any of my whirring thoughts, its like a washing machine on FULL SPIN in my head lol)
- Yes yes yes @ the parallels, the longing glances, all the EYE TALKING
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Blue (@mayhemf)
August 20, 2023 at 5:45 PM
I am really curious how Yeon-joon‘s arc will turn out. He is a class A product of the system and he is first hand seeing how that system isn’t as perfect as he was taught to be.
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lapislazulii
August 20, 2023 at 6:13 PM
Me too! I lowkey thought they'd kill him off this week (I didn't want them to but like thought it might be a logical next step), so the introduced depth threw me for a bit but I'm here for it!! It'll be very interesting to see where he goes from here, because honestly I've got no clue!
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jillian
August 20, 2023 at 8:42 PM
If the writer will continue with the parallels on GWTW's Ashley, then I expect that he would be a character that will be challenged adapting to the changes of the times.
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
August 20, 2023 at 6:15 PM
Honestly, the way this show uses history, it's almost reliant on it to propel its story, than merely just being set there. I don't know if that's a good or a bad thing. I can't imagine trying to watch this with no historical context at all haha, it just feels too ingrained in everything, even though the show is telling a fictional story around it, and playing with the unknowns of history.
Thank the person on tumblr I stole it off! haha but yes, I love it, I will be using it always for here on out.
Their characters and presence have meaning, yes I do know what you mean.
(We need a list of all the metaphors these episodes feel like. Washing Machine is another great one. I don't know if it's just because of other Lyfe stuff going on at the same time, the fact I only got 5 hrs sleep last night, the show itself, or all three, but my brain feels put on full spin AND then rung out to dry.)
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8 jerrykuvira
August 20, 2023 at 3:10 PM
Is My Dearest really going to do this. Tug my heartstrings in any direction that pleases it?
I'm left emotional and in utter respect of Jang-hyun and Gil-chae. Words ain't failing me but I just don't want to word my thoughts just yet. I'm still breathing and letting this week sink in cause it was much.
Qing might be bad, but the Joseon king is pure sus...the royal soldiers, well I can tell from the king they protect.
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9 john
August 20, 2023 at 3:11 PM
Alathe, thanks for the recap !
Action packed episode. I do like how the story is paced, they don’t dwell on scenes, (well court is court ), so the story keeps moving 😀
Looking forward to next week.
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10 lapislazulii
August 20, 2023 at 3:13 PM
Okay I’m annoyed (understatement) by the Royal family & am not a fan of how they made Jang-hyun the Royal family’s version of the Suicide Squad. I know he wasn’t manipulated per se because he very much saw through all the lines and had his own reason for getting involved, but I still hate it all the same.
I get that royalty has always been royalty but honestly Jang-hyun has made some GREAT points as to why he’s not bending over backwards for them, so it’d be great if they pulled their heads out of the sand and the whole divine mandate stuff to see the truth for what it is. But I do get that most people would be like Yeon-joo, and are just products of the system they were born into so I shouldn’t be so harsh on them - especially when I’m looking at this with the benefit of hindsight and also in mindset cultivated by a completely different kind of society to what it was back then. But still, I wanted to lob that ink stone right back at the Crown Prince lol and then later on at the King when he just sat there in his comfy little fortress, refusing to really do anything while people were dying for and because of him.
I’m still trying to compute everything I saw but I loved it all. I loved the intensity. I love that they didn’t hide how brutal and unglamorous war is, I love that that scene with Gil-chae hitting the woman to let Jong-jong on the boat (loved because its realistic), how the monk warrior just froze and died like that with a whimper and silence (this scene spoke volumes) and I also - very specific scene to point out here - I loved the decision to cut straight to the bloody floor, an exhausted Jang-hyun and Ryan-eum with tear tracks all over his face looking like he’d had his soul snuffed out. Way more impactful than actually showing the torture scene happen. If it’s not clear enough, I ‘love’ these things not in a 🥰 way, but in a I love the directorial/scriptwriting intention that went behind these choices. I’m not sure how to express this exactly (see above: still processing) but I’m just a really big fan of how the muted all the emotional moments are, it really works to amplify the delivery of those emotions to the audience. Like when Jang-hyun assumes Gil-chae is dead and just quietly sits down. Or when he found her in the forest again and she realises that it was Jang-hyun who saved them. Sure the background music is going beautifully wild but the actual scenes themselves aren’t full of extravagant or exaggerated acting, it’s just small reactions but it packs a punch!
This week also did a number on my heart. I was literally on edge every time Jang-hyun and Ryan-eum were whispering in Korean to each other or walked around all sus like 👀 in the Khan’s camp. And then they arrived on the island and then the arrows happened and I was pretty sure I was going to pass out from alternating between not breathing and/or breathing too fast. I totally forgot by the end of the episode that I was even watching a K-drama. WILD, its...
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lapislazulii
August 20, 2023 at 3:14 PM
packing this much of a punch and we’re not even like anywhere near the half way mark 🤯 I also just found out this is an MBC drama, just like Red Sleeve which had me gripped in a similar way, so I’m sure this one will follow Red Sleeve into the ‘memorable and brilliant sageuks’ list for me.
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
August 20, 2023 at 3:28 PM
In amusing comparison, Red Sleeve drifted very fast into the "forgettable" category for me.
This one is too sticky; it will I think stay no matter what happens from here on out.
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lapislazulii
August 20, 2023 at 3:32 PM
Red Sleeve had such a GRIP on me while it was airing and for weeks after, and compared to the other sageuks I've seen (most of which fall into the lighter side of things) it just felt quite different so it'll stay memorable for me for that alone at least - but My Dearest is a whole other ball game for sure and is as you said 'sticky' (great description!) so won't be going away anytime soon. You know what I also re-remembered; we've only got 10 episodes between that big break and we're at ep 6 RIP. I was going to rewatch it all again but now I'm thinking I'll wait so I have something to keep the pain of waiting at bay between 'seasons'
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
August 20, 2023 at 3:40 PM
I found it disappointing and overrated, and once I stop caring about something, when watching- eeek that's it for me, I'm out
I dropped it.But I know how big that show was so, I'm probably slightly in the minority there lolIt has BEWITCHED ME, body and soul, Lapis.
And I KNOW. We're gonna have to start a support circle for the wait.
Seon-ha
August 20, 2023 at 4:26 PM
You all think we're not reading this (BEWITCHED, @sicarius ?), but we are. And you imagine that it's OK, perhaps, because we do not say enough how worried we are about you. But we are worried.
I've said my peace, and I'm out.
You know where to find us. We are here for you all...always.
💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
August 20, 2023 at 5:46 PM
@attiton I can use pineapple as a save word, if you really that worried hahaha
jillian
August 20, 2023 at 3:38 PM
I too want to chuck that ink stone back to the CP. How dare he! Ofcourse at the time, no one would dare do anything to the CP.
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WishfulToki
August 20, 2023 at 4:14 PM
Andwe beanies! Let's not talk about chucking inkstones! They have a reputation for being quite dangerous when hurled with precision. Thankfully Jang Hyun's head is a strong as any stone. 😆😪
Seriously, this meeting between the Crown Prince and Jang Hyun was not what I expected, but that means there is room for this relationship to grow. Right?
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jillian
August 20, 2023 at 4:27 PM
He survived that surprisingly which can mean CP only meant to hurt him but not kill him?
I have no knowledge of the history of this era. I have to brush up on the CP's identity to know if he is a better ruler than his father.
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Snow Flower
August 20, 2023 at 4:38 PM
Be prepared for heartbreak...
WishfulToki
August 20, 2023 at 4:56 PM
Yeah, I'm pretty sure he did not intend to hurt him, but it was definitely not a good first impression.
In brief, the historical Crown Prince was known for being more progressive than his father, which is why I think we will see him improve in future episodes (another option is he could potentially become a villain). History is a spoiler regarding CP so I'll leave it at that. However, there is no way to know if the historical records are completely true or complete, which is what this drama is playing with.
jillian
August 20, 2023 at 5:04 PM
@snowflower 💔💔💔 I just read it
lapislazulii
August 20, 2023 at 4:42 PM
He didn't even flinch 😭 And niether but I think that sets it up for a good development, bc CP will have his eyes opened and start to think outside the box of his palace and Jang-hyun might start seeing royalty different too. They did say at the start (like ep1) that JH was the one who led the CP 'astray' right?
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WishfulToki
August 20, 2023 at 5:02 PM
They did indeed. Looking forward to that hehe. Will Jang Hyun discover the meaning of loyalty?
jillian
August 20, 2023 at 5:02 PM
Oohhhh I undertsand the significance of that inkstone. I feel bad. I just brushed up on CP Sohyeon's story. 💔
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jillian
August 20, 2023 at 5:06 PM
I just spoiled myself on CP's story. 💔
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Snow Flower
August 20, 2023 at 5:10 PM
And the Crown Princess too...
kiara
August 21, 2023 at 8:38 AM
At first, I was a bit surprised, but then the inkstone flew toward Jang Hyun, and I understood what the writer was doing. Lol
It's logical, but it's hard to explain until we get there, since history is a big spoiler.
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maria0215
August 20, 2023 at 9:35 PM
This whole inkstone thing is funny in a not so funny way.
🚨SPOILER🚨 for the people who aren't aware of the real history
The legend has it that the crown prince (posthumously Crown Prince Sohyeon) was killed by his father, King Injo, with an inkstone brought from Qing. He was apparently found bleeding heavily from the head in the king's chambers. However, historians suspect that he was actually poisoned so we'll have to wait and say what path the drama takes.
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Gikata
August 21, 2023 at 3:13 AM
Genuinely wonder what kind of poison makes a person develop a freshly bleeding wound on their head, can someone enlighten me pls?)))
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nerdy
August 23, 2023 at 2:20 PM
Maybe it was more of a combination of causes? As in poisoned he fell and hit his head.
LaurenSophie
August 20, 2023 at 4:46 PM
Watching the scenes between Jang-hyun and the CP, I was actually afraid that the CP was going to concede that Jang-hyun was correct and making good points, and that would be entirely ahistorical and unbelievable (the whole divine right of kings was too firmly ingrained in their psyches for that), so I was relieved when the CP instead acted like a CP and had a temper tantrum at the very suggestion that he and his father are as human as the rest of Joseon's inhabitants.
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lapislazulii
August 20, 2023 at 5:26 PM
I get what you mean, I'm annoyed at him but like I'm glad I'm annoyed because I should be - anything else at this point would be inaccurate as you said.
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Gikata
August 20, 2023 at 8:18 PM
He still could've care a bit more about his loyal noble followers and their sacrifice. How young he's supposed to be in this timeline btw? Having a kid newborn doesn't indicate much...
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maria0215
August 20, 2023 at 9:39 PM
Almost 25
Gikata
August 21, 2023 at 3:09 AM
@maria15 well, that's fully adult by Joseon standards, even for a sheltered spoiled prince. And he was already old enough to understand what's up during previous invasion. No excuses then.
11 Mrs Buckwheat
August 20, 2023 at 3:16 PM
So. Much. Tension.
I don't know if I will be able to make to the end and maintain my sanity :)
I love it all sooooooo much.
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12 Seon-ha
August 20, 2023 at 3:25 PM
You people are insane and—I think—starting a cult.
I know this because of your clearly pained reactions (it’s excruciating, yes?) and the way you keep trying to draw the rest of us in, as if that’s a totally rational thing for us to do when we can clearly SEE HOW YOU ARE FARING.
What’s the safe word, folks???
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
August 20, 2023 at 3:35 PM
It's not pain, though...
It's also a GOOD intensity. It's... an intoxication of a kind. Yes.
Like a heady perfume that is both pleasant and overwhelming at the same time.
Idk, you'd have to watch it to get it... 👀
(Come on... you know you want to...)
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lapislazulii
August 20, 2023 at 3:41 PM
This!!! I'm trying to lobby my friend to watch it and she had the same reaction as you Seon-ha: "you're telling me it's going to hurt but it's great???". But it the potentially impending hurt is being written well, so I'm down for that (*starts chant* watch it, watch it, watch it....)
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
August 20, 2023 at 3:46 PM
Like, yeah, what do you think tragedies and epics are for?!
That's why people need to be jump scared into it HAHA
(Come, come, it calls to you...)
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Seon-ha
August 20, 2023 at 4:19 PM
SAFE WORD PLZ
Mrs Buckwheat
August 20, 2023 at 3:56 PM
I'm going to re watch both episodes again today, it's just that good.
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Kafiyah Bello
August 20, 2023 at 4:34 PM
Safe word is watch. It is the show I look most forward to watching on the weekend.
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Gikata
August 20, 2023 at 5:29 PM
I've long abandoned any belief in safety, everything hurts and rightfully so, in short - join us on the dark side!
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jillian
August 20, 2023 at 6:11 PM
There is no safe word in wars. War is brutal, grotesque and full of uncertainty.
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jillian
August 20, 2023 at 6:16 PM
Ofc I dont know that first hand but the show does a great job of creating that tension, adrenaline and urge for safety in a world that is crumbling around them.
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Linarrick
August 20, 2023 at 9:55 PM
I think it’s because it’s a complex story. MY DEAREST doesn’t shy away from uncomfortable truths. It’s doesn’t romanticise history nor glorify war
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indyfan
August 21, 2023 at 5:14 AM
I'm coming late and don't have anything to add that hasn't already been said. All the much deserved positive, and the trivial level of quibbles (except they could work on their jump cuts and transitions).
But in response to the fan wall convo, this show isn't depressing at all. It's intense and thrilling, moving and swoony. Just jump in; toss that safe word to the winds.
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Seon-ha
August 21, 2023 at 5:29 AM
I won’t. Or should I say, I really shouldn’t. I hereby promise not I pester you all anymore until I see the word “pineapple” again.
However, I will give you this, Indy, without ANY hesitation. I have my eyes glued to the Fan Wall for NM gifs and images from this show. I bet we agree, at least, on his (ahem) credentials as a grown-up.
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indyfan
August 21, 2023 at 7:47 AM
Alrighty then, we can agree on this one ajusshi.🍻
As for those two other ajusshis, we'll just agree to divide them according to the inexplicable dictates of our hearts. 😂
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Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
August 23, 2023 at 12:01 AM
@attiton Dooooo eeeeet. Jump into the fire. We've exchanged gats for armor and bloodied faces and I say it's a fair trade.
I'll hold your hand. You can hold my hand. This show is killing me and I don't want to die alone.
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💜🍍☠ Sicarius The Queen of Melonia ☠🍍💜
August 23, 2023 at 9:21 PM
Don't worry we're all dying together at this rate lmao. Jang Hyun would be scoffing at us.
bbstl 🧹
August 21, 2023 at 1:32 PM
Boy, I am one slow Bean . . . you’re leading the cult over at The Butt Show and you’re NOT watching this? I had not realized that. Girl! 🫨
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Seon-ha
August 21, 2023 at 1:47 PM
TBS ≠ a cult. TBS = an opium den.
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bbstl 🧹
August 21, 2023 at 2:23 PM
😉 okhui-dokhui.
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13 jillian
August 20, 2023 at 3:33 PM
I felt too much these episodes that I am unable to pick my most memorable scenes. You got to admire Gil Chae's survival instincts. She is ruthless when she needs to be. Jang Hyun is no less ruthless when he needs to be.
War changes people and I hope after all these difficult choices they made, they can still retain some of their old selves.
I frankly don't want Jang Hyun to utter RB's infamous sentence. My heart won't be able to take it.
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lapislazulii
August 20, 2023 at 6:00 PM
I've never read or seen Gone With The Wind so I'm very curious, what's RB's infamous sentence?!
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jillian
August 20, 2023 at 6:20 PM
Its the quote that @alathe included in her last sentence of her recap; "frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn".
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lotusgpl
August 21, 2023 at 8:14 AM
I think he will not. The relationship dynamics are a bit different here. I don't think Scarlett would turn back for Rhett
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jillian
August 23, 2023 at 6:27 PM
Scarlett was more oblivious to her feelings unlike GC. Its also Rhett's fault by making everything a joke or teasing her to the point of being cruel.
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nerdy
August 23, 2023 at 2:26 PM
The only thing impending Jang Hyun's chances is Jang Hyun. If the guy didn't tell her after every five minute that their relationship would never amount to anything significant, she would have probably given him a chance.
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jillian
August 23, 2023 at 4:51 PM
Yes, he further sabotaged himself with that "some" talk. Like who would take him seriously if he does not own up to a commitment
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KDramaJoy
September 13, 2023 at 10:20 AM
IMO, My Dearest is not a remake of GWTW (thankfully) but can be better described as repurposing certain classic elements of GWTH. As noted by others, Gil-chae and Jang-hyun have a slightly different relationship than Scarlett and Rhett had, in particular, Gil-chae has shown more concern for Jang-hyun. So maybe JH will continue to give a d**n throughout -- let’s hope.
Though Jang-hyun is identifiable as Rhett Butler, Namkoong Min does not try to be Clark Gable -- but rather makes the character his own. Wonderfully so.
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14 Blue (@mayhemf)
August 20, 2023 at 3:45 PM
I made it!! Guys, I made it! I made it..
Ep 6 took me just half a day. I needed to take breaks to breathe.. OMG! this show just shows the ugly side of war without holding back and I love that about it. I didn't think I could love Gil Chae more, but I do. Her grit, her survival instincts, her smartness makes me root for her to no end.
And damn, Namkoong Min looks so fine when fighting. I am seeing him in a totally new light.
How can she not fall for him? Damn, that man has heart.. and is so damn fine. So damn fine.
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Mrs Buckwheat
August 20, 2023 at 4:07 PM
High 5 for making it, what a ride.
I second your "so damn fine".
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Kafiyah Bello
August 20, 2023 at 4:32 PM
He is really fantastic in those scenes. Really smooth and sleek. Gorgeous.
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Snow Flower
August 20, 2023 at 4:41 PM
I liked how the Manchu headgear framed JH's face. NGM's eyes spoke volumes.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
August 20, 2023 at 5:50 PM
The intensity in his eyes can be unnerving. That last scene in Ep 6 when he said that no one can pass this point, I had goosebumps. Literally. Such an intense look and delivery.
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lapislazulii
August 20, 2023 at 5:58 PM
🙌 🙌 🙌
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Gikata
August 20, 2023 at 8:14 PM
I'm still slightly terrified (in a good sense... mostly) of him from TGWSS days, man can do creepy silent death glare REALLY well.