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Open Thread #800

Happy Friday everyone!

Here is your Open Thread, which is here for you to chat about anything you want, whether it be drama-related or not. Nothing’s off-topic here! Spoilers may be rife, so proceed accordingly.

 
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Are the floodgates for remakes upon us?

It has been reported that 2006 drama PRINCESS HOURS (adapted from a manhwa) was a huge hit and a part of the Hallyu Wave, represented breakouts to differing degrees for Yoon Eun Hye, Ju Ji Hoon, Kim Jeong Hoon, and Song Ji Hyo (especially Yoon Eun Hye), and led to a spin-off, a musical, a novel, and remakes in other countries, but Korea themselves have decided to double dip and auditions are now taking place for the remake with filming and air date in 2024.

Also, powerhouse media firm JP E&M is gearing up for a Korean remake of BREAKING BAD Producer Park Bum Hoon stated they have completed the script for that season and have three more seasons being planned. Nobody has been cast in the roles yet and there’s no network attached either, but the company aims to air Season 1 early next year.

It is probably an easy nostalgia sale to remake PRINCESS HOURS, but BREAKING BAD deals with subject matter which South Korean government is currently cracking down upon: illicit drugs. K-drama has tackled serious crime subjects before but it depends on the social temperature of the public on whether it is entertainment or glorification of bad conduct. As such, casting may be an issue for some actors concerned about their reputation, especially if the scripts are explicit about illegal conduct.

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Remaking Goong is already quite insane (plot aged terribly and huge chunk of drama's success came from chemistry between the OG cast which is gonna be hard to recreate), but Breaking Bad is simply bonkers. Who even thought it was a good idea?

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The original Breaking Bad didn't glamorize or glorify drugs. It showed how destructive that world, along with hubris and greed, ended up being for all involved.

Though I don't know how Koreans would adapt that material.

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And speaking of breaking bad, numerous reports this week have actress Park Min Young under investigation tied to her ex-BF Kang Jonghyun’s financial affairs, including alleged crypto-currency fraud, stock manipulation, embezzlement and money laundering charges. News reports state that PMY has been called by police as a witness, but also stated her passport and her financial accounts have been suspended. She has denied any involvement in Kang’s businesses, but her sister was a director in one of the companies being investigated and one report alleged that she personally received hundreds of thousands of dollars in investment profits. Kang had previously denied that he ran any of the companies under investigation and that he owned no assets, but investigators believe Kang hid his ownership interests in fraudulent borrowed name and ghost employee accounts while leading a high profile, big spending lifestyle.

PMY was under consideration for a new drama, but the latest news reports will probably impact her ability to work until the investigation is complete. Even guilt by association can derail a career in SK but this financial scandal seems to be one of the biggest in recent memory.

And there is also a separate, massive tax invasion investigation targeting artists, webtoon creators and other influencers. Some of them posted on social media luxury car purchases which got tax authorities into action to audit their income returns. In sum, Korean entertainers have always been under a public microscope but more so today in a prosecutorial environment.

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Y'all, I'm back! 2 years without commenting. 3 years without my fan wall.

I probably will only be commenting on OT. I'm watching mainly BLs. And trying to get back into music.

Life update:
Just got out of 4 months in multiple mental health hospitals.
I'm homeless but staying with my brother.
My nephew is in the system.
My best friend just started talking to me after 19 months apart.
My husband is a psychotic liar I need to divorce.
I don't have the stamina or confidence to work.
I am struggling with my two earing disorders.

So how am I distracting myself?

Kpop
Country music
Lots of Taylor Swift, One Direction, Luhan, Lee Michelle, 5sos, Dove Cameron, Mickey Guyton, Justin Bieber, Hanson, 4*town, EXO
I've learned I'm a huge fam of who Hazza is as a person. But Harry's music is not for me.
Dove Cameron is my latest ex Disney crush. And Jordan Fisher. Who has THE most adorable baby.

Watching:

The New Employee: on hold on ep 5
The director who buys me dinner: cute! On ep 7
Never Let Me Go: Fantastic on ep 7
My school president: puased on ep 2
Jinxed at First: on hold. Will pick up after Oh! My Baby
Oh! My Baby: don't really care. But picking back up today for Nara eonnie.
The End of the world with you: so fascinating.
Moonlight Chicken: Behind. On ep 2 today.
Miracles in Cell no. 9: paused. Finishing Saturday.
My Beautiful Man s2: changing my life!
You Are my Destiny: on ep 1. picking up Sunday.

Just finished:

Rational Creatures: A Persuasion web series 3 years in the making. As good as Emmy winning Lizzie Bemnet Diaries.
Individual Circumstances: I need Korea to stop with BL shows and just make them R rated movies because the fish kisses are killing me.
Semantic Error: not a fish kiss!
Takara-kun & Amagi-kun: perfect!
Candy Color Paradox: bed scene!
Old Fashioned Cupcake: I freaked when he kissed his cheek while he was sleeping. Had to come back months later and finish. Probably cause of my SA.
Bug Dragon: ridiculous plot and plot twist. But VERY sexual! Weird to go from BDSM to vanilla but whatever.
Mr. Unlucky has no choice but to Kiss: so much fun! Where's season 2?
Senpai, this can't be Love: paused on ep 6. Finished, missed the punch of the ending.
Ocean like Me: No! No! No!
Oh, My Assistant: wish I could erase from my mind. The casting was perfect. The rest was horrible!
Plus & Minus: watching clips still brings me joy.
Cherry Blossoms after Winter: amazing! Need second season. Need to finish the web tool.
The tasty Florida I paused this on for a long time. I need to watch all the way through again to really appreciate the ending. But their skinship was amazing.
My Beautiful Man s1: perfect!

Editing

Elizabeth the Jaded: About an orphan who goes to...

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an elite boarding school on scholarship. She is invited to stay with the family who founded the school's hip in the town her mother died. She has dissociative amnesia except she remembers her mom. Oh, and her oldest friend turned crush is her bodyguard.
As It Was: The first book in the Power of Three Saga. Completed this week. Went from several renditions with 30,000 words to 16,000 words and more scenes than I originally posted.
About identical triplets who have different approaches to their mental health and the cult they were raised it.
As It Wasn't: book 2 of POT. Starting editing today. About them from ages 8-15.

Writing
Power of Three: book 3. Don't remember the title. Ages 15-18. Just 1 chapter left. Hope to write this weekend.
Silence is Not Golden: Collecting different scenes from different notebooks. Writing Jude’s first birthday this weekend.
Grant:Ney: Ney has dissociative amnesia and no interest in learning wht she's missing. SING's sequel. Don't ask why I'm writing it at th same time as the original book. Moving to a third notebook this weekend. Probably will start typing it when EtJ is finished posting.
From Surviving to Thriving: About a girl who has neglectful parents and wants to please God. Haven't written a scene since Tuesday(?). Need to finished writing 2011 and notebook. Hope to do this next week. 🤞🏾 Let's see what happens.

Reading:

The director who takes me to dinner: Not really a "I'm only gay for him" so much as I am blank-sexual. And will literally die without you. Kinda steamy. Kinda love it
The New Recruit: Director Kim gives m and Seunghyun life.
Bongchon Bride: going to start from the beginning again. Skipping the SA. Got like 20 chapters in last time.
Playing a Chapters game about Bein Claimed by the Alpha. Only 1 chapter in. My best friend dared m to read it. Sad because my name change didn't apply but too bored to start again and fix it.
Semantic Error: Oh! My! Lord! The red outfit is even funnier here than the drama. I didn't know that was possible.
Just Contract Lovers: need to start from the beginning again. But I like the art.
Persuasion: last time my Facebook group read it, I stopped at chapter 14 or so. Lost my book. Starting again today.
My wife is a man: chapter 15. I'd dress up for him too. Forgot the husband's name. Not married yet.
Boku Girl: this was my guilty pleasure when I was in my cult. Going to continue Saturday.
All's Fair in Love, War, and High School pickingback up Monday. Comfort read.
The Dangerous Convenience store: been avoiding reading it for a long time because I didn't like that danger was in the title. But Facebook made me click. Only to find I can't read past chapter 2 😪
I'm about our break and read the one book about Alex, who is lying about being a chaebol and acting as a poor kid. I...

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I swear ONE more f*cking ad.

My best friend is writing a web tool where everyone can be headcanon as trans and its amazing.

I need to get back into webtoons today. I need to get back into anise but can't afford my Crunchyroll. Might look into that next Friday.

I would write what I'm looking forward to. But I'm bored.

If you want to follow any of my missions: my eating recovery, EtJ, or media feels, ask me for the links.

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Just realized POT book 3 is complete. I have 1 chapter left in book 4. Lol

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Yeah. I'm focusing on food intake right now. But soon I'll add exercise.

Have you seen the Anne of Green Gables web series on Youtube? I think there are 3 of them.

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I have the first novel. But I haven't read it. I read of the Island while inpatient. Have you seen the Megan Follows one?

I've only seen Green Gabls Fables. I'll watch one with you if you want. There's one with a black Anne.

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Your namesake novel is great, and the 1985 film (and all its sequels) are my favourite adaptations 🥰🥰🥰

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The novel Anne of Green Gables is definitely worth reading, and the Megan Follows series is the best adaptation so far. Go forth and learn about your name.

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my gosh I have it mild... you brave gal. welcome back purpleowl
im also glad there is this place to return to and feeling understood. it is a big thing even though only online but we are all real people
I can barely write im so dizzy. I will go to bed, or I will be scolded by beanies (covid)

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Feel better soon, lovely.

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For fellow rom-com fans, here is a discussion I read this week, focusing entirely on U.S. movies, but relevant to the rom-com talk here: https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-new-yorker-interview/sex-love-and-the-state-of-the-rom-com

To summarize, they talk about the heyday of the U.S. romcom in the 80s and 90s, note its sociological origins in women of my generation, second/third wave feminists, having career and romantic choices that most U.S. women had not had before (they should have also mentioned the men who were enamored of those women, like me!), which opened up new relationship possibilities but also new conflicts. At their best, these movies showed, optimistically, how the conflicts and barriers could be worked out, without the classic submission of the woman’s interests to the man’s. But beyond that, the rom-com classics actually showed the process of falling in love, and the leads generated great “chemistry.”

Critics on DB will be familiar with the failures they lament in recent movies, especially two of them too much focus on the issues the romance raises, or the contrivance that brings the couple together, and not enough focus on the developing romance itself. But they also highlight the lack of “chemistry.” Now, I keep putting that in quotes, because I agree—chemistry between the leads is central for a convincing romance. But I’m trying to think of how I identify it. I guess it would be when the two actors are able to convey sexual tension and attraction combined with affectionate familiarity--which might be indicated by either bickering (in the from hate to love arc) or support (in the friends to lovers arc)

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However, I’ve noticed that a lot of times that what I see as chemistry between the leads in a romance is lamented as lack of chemistry by other DB viewers, and vice versa. What prompted a reflection on chemistry was not just the discussion cited above, but also in reading reactions to the most recent romance I started, Our Blooming Youth, even those who were liking the show did not really mention what I liked most about the early episodes—the great initial chemistry between the two leads, Jeon sso-nee and Park Hyung-sik. Was I just being fooled by the long gazes exchanged between them, designed to manipulate unsophisticated viewers like myself into thinking there was chemistry?

To cite examples from last year, in Alchemy of Souls 1, I loved the character of Mu-doek, as played by Jung So Min, but I felt there was very little chemistry between her and Lee-Jae wook. I felt there was a lot more chemistry between Mu-doek and the other two MLs in the love quadrangle. Whereas, in Part II, I wasn’t as enamoured of the character of Bu-yeon, but to me what saved that whole story line was the intense chemistry between Go Yoon Jung and LJW. I think for the most part, big fans of AOS exactly reversed my assessment.

I could go on with my out of step estimation of chemistry of last year shows—a few more examples—I saw the intense damaged sexiness of Gu, but felt no chemistry between he and Mi-Jeong in My Liberation Notes, which everyone raved about; I agree that the romance between Ji-wan and Chef Jang was a lot more interesting than the lead romance in that clunker Love is for Suckers, but I didn’t feel their chemistry; and the most intense relationship chemistry I felt all year was between the hilariously portrayed leads in Gaus Electronics. (A few people did agree with me on this one.) I could go on with this years shows, but will leave it at that, and just say that I agree that chemistry in romances is important, but maybe I don’t know what it is!

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I think there is a subjective part in the chemistry between actors that depends on people.
For AoS's exemple, I didn't find any couple good. The second part was more focused on the love story and for me they just gave more romantic scenes to Go Yoo-Jung than Jung So-Min.

For Our Blooming Youth, I think they're cute together. I had fun to watch the actor's interview, they looked confortable together. But I don't think they have the best chemistry I watched in Kdramas for now.

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Chemistry between the OTP is kinda close to the charisma of an individual actor - it is somewhat objective thing (some people are simply born to be on stage/loved by camera), but viewers personal preferences still more or less influence their perception of it. I don't think equating chemistry with sexual tension is the right answer, tho it often overlaps when it comes to romcoms specifically, or there won't be any platonic bromances, sismances and other -mances that aren't ROmances in cinema at all. I'd describe it more as a very smooth team play when you can SEE one performer's actions affecting people around and their performances positively. That's why it's called chemistry - it's all about the diffusion)))

When people lament lack of chemistry between the OTP, it often means they don't like them enough visually or the script behind the showcased romance is not doing it for them. Personally I liked leads together in the first week of OBY and found their chemistry rather promising - actually I liked it so much that this week's heavy injection of sugar into their dynamic left me a bit confused and even slightly underwhelmed because I wanted that original complexity and tension to last a little longer. But apparently most viewers ate it up with gusto and actually thought that drama seriously improved in terms of chemistry once it went for the more conventional heart eyes and bashful smiles instead of initial "they fight so passionately that can also start making out by accident". Idk if it says A LOT about those viewers - or me. Or both)))

Gaus couple was just enough hot for the utterly non-serious show they were in. And I'm still kinda shocked that they actually went there in a few scenes^^

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You must have missed our lengthy discussion of chemistry last year, @hacja! https://www.dramabeans.com/2022/09/open-thread-778/

In the end I think I decided it's pretty subjective (though other people came down in different places!). For me, chemistry relies on good writing and solid acting, but is also influenced by lots of other factors, including the soundtrack. The good news is (according to me) you're never wrong! If you see chemistry, that's awesome, you should totally enjoy it and not listen to others for whom it's not quite working.

As a big fan of AoS, I actually agree with your assessment of the chemistry between the two leads, for what it's worth.

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@jls943 I did! I was off Dramabeans at the time, and though I went back and tried to pick up some things like comments and recaps of individual shows when I came back near the end of the year, I missed that discussion. I'm very sorry for bringing it up again, it seems like it was discussed pretty thoroughly back then, and I really don't have additional lot to contribute, as I already said. Maybe if I just had some chemistry myself!

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Oh no worries at all! I didn't point you in that direction to shame you at all, but thought it might be an interesting addition to your musings. I agree that chemistry is a fascinating topic and one worthy of many discussions!

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Chemistry is defined as (1) the branch of science that deals with the identification of the substances of which matter is composed; the investigation of their properties and the ways in which they interact, combine, and change; and the use of these processes to form new substances; or (2) the complex emotional or psychological interaction between two people.


Good chemistry is when when pairing of characters go so well together that they let you believe they are partners/friends for real. Chemistry is the complex emotional or psychological interaction between two people. Saying actors have “chemistry” is a vague way of saying two players shoot sparks of apparent attraction, or are perceived to be well paired by the audience. There is a certain extra frisson from watching such pairings on screen.

Chemistry in a relationship is an intense feeling of connection. Romantic partners can build chemistry over time by practicing open communication and developing trust. Romantic chemistry focuses on characteristics present between two people, including mutual interests, similarity, and intimacy. According to Kelly Campbell, P.h.D., the more present these characteristics are, the more likely two individuals will perceive chemistry between each other. To achieve romantic chemistry, show how the characters interact with one another through the four levels of attraction starting with the foundation of physical attraction and work up to explore intellectual, emotional and social levels the characters’ possess.

A chemical formula is an expression that shows the elements in a compound and the relative proportions of those elements. Likewise, one can view characters as chemical compositions (positive and negative charges of attraction that orbit around their personality). A script writer’s goal to make those individual charges interact in a way that we see personal bonds develop and grow in a realistic way.

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I'm afraid I'm just not a scientist, and certainly not a SCIENTIST OF LOVE.

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SCIENTIST OF LOVE sounds like a k-drama series title.

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@welh640 It's only a matter of time before SCIENTIST OF LOVE graces our screens, but statistically, it'll be a cdrama.

The title series of:
blah blah Love
Love of blah
blah Love in the blah
- is always on the lookout for new ways to spin the Love.

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@welh640 I would check it out based on the name alone 😅

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If it was a kdrama title, it would be JOSEON SCIENTIST OF LOVE

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SCIENCE OF LOVE: A geeky, shy, overweight chemist finds all his friends in serious relationships leaving him alone and frustrated with his life. He spends his non-working hours in his lab because he has nothing else to do. He finds a new animal pheromone which he adapts into a new love potion. He wears it to a club and suddenly he is swarmed by super models. His life is short term great until it wears off and the women scream "fraud!" He is kidnapped by a cartel that wants to weaponize his invention. He escapes with the help of an 80 year old man who only wants one last fling before he dies so the chemist gives him the last of his pheromone spray. The old man's widow files manslaughter charges against the chemist, who is now unemployed and being pestered by media and creeps. He flees to a small fishing town. He tries to get a job at a rundown convenience store where he meets a young sociology major who wants to design clothes for real average women. As they begin to talk about their problems and how their culture punishes them for different views, they naturally get close. They collaborate on a book called "The Science of Love" and win a Nobel Prize . . . in literature.

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👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

Brilliant!

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I once read a comment from Jun Ji-Hyun who starred in “Legend of the Blue Sea” that she had trouble getting the right “chemistry” going with Lee Min-ho. I always wondered what she meant. Maybe they didn’t like each other? I suppose if actors don’t hit it off, that could come out onscreen as bad chemistry, but if they’re pros, who could tell?

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Really good article hacja. Thanks for the link.

I think one of the things I consider when I'm thinking of chemistry is the tension between people. When it's good chemistry, you can almost feel the tension coming out of your screen. And it's not just a "will they won't they" kind of thing, though that can be part of it, it's that you can sense their visceral awareness of each other at all times. When someone doesn't care about another person, whether it's love or hate, that awareness is lacking and it shows. Good actors can fake it, good actors who have that chemistry in real life can even make it explosive.

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I do think there is definitely a subjective element to chemistry, and that we're more likely to feel it when the actors or characters are types we'd personally be attracted to. However, as a theatre director who often casts actors in romantic pairings, I will say that some combinations just light up the room and others . . . don't. Weirdly, I find it has very little connection to overall level of acting talent or to even whether or not the actors like each other in real life. Sometimes actors who are actually dating have very little on-stage chemistry and actors who hate each other produce great sparks in scenes.

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@Wonwha, thanks for your perspective. So interesting.

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Thanks for the article, hacja! Great read!

I think what they're getting at is precisely what drew so many viewers into the kdramasphere. "The romance, the attraction, the interest in love", and not being afraid to show that on-screen. I think the 2000s brought with it this allergy of the sentimental. People became so afraid of seeing genuine emotion on screen for some reason, and I think that has stuck around to some degree even today. Some weirdos on this site try to declare "traditional values" (cough misogyny cough homophobia cough) as the reason Western viewers gravitate towards kdramas, but I don't see that at all. To me, it's the fact that kdramas are not afraid of showing genuine emotion and romance, whether it be done well or poorly. Shows have begun to be a little tongue-in-cheek, making fun of common tropes, but they also aren't afraid to get a little mushy, a little sentimental, a little cheesy. And viewers appreciate that and miss it in Hollywood. As Naomy Fry said in that article, "they had enough grounding in reality to be “relatable,” but they also created a fantasy of what love can be: a template for attraction, a template for romance".

And I say all of this as one of the least romantic people on the planet. I never understood the popularity of rom-coms until I started watching k-dramas, probably because I grew up when rom-coms were beginning to die. K-dramas totally changed my opinion on the genre.

Rom-coms can have other themes underlying their stories and still succeed, and I think TV series HAVE to otherwise they have nothing to fill out multiple episodes, but they can't forget about the romance. They just can't. Everything falls flat if you forget about the romance.

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Also, can't believe they actually CGI'd a kiss. A kiss THAT TAME. I'm sorry, but if you don't wanna give your colleague a little peck during what is supposed to be the romantic high point of your movie, don't act in a rom-com. I don't think you're committed to creating romantic chemistry if you won't even go for a little peck without needing CGI.

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ALSO (again, sorry) I like that they brought up The Big Sick, which I love not only for being filmed and set in my city but also for all the reasons they mentioned, and if you want a real love story that deals with a cross-cultural relationship while putting the ROMANCE front and center, I definitely recommend that over You People.

Okay, done. For now.

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I saw The Big Sick but the romance wasn't my favourite part. I prefered the scenes of the ML with her parents when she was in the coma. 😅

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I agree. Actors can be unconfortable with skinships, it's ok but just don't take a role in a romantic movie >_< There are enough other genres!

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Wow a CGI kiss!!!

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Why would you CGI a kiss?

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I completely agree. I didn't see that film, but there is no way I'm ever going to watch it.

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I saw it and it was very disappointing lol.

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So many so-called actors simply don't want to put any effort in their work nowadays. They don't want to play characters in fictional stories - they want to ONLY play their real selves (actually their celeb personas) in stories roughly about their own lives so they can both tell (actually brag/whine) the world about their supposedly very unique (hardly) and important (hardly x2) experiences and also get money for it. So what does this mean to us, viewers? Well, someone once said that writer which can only write about things they know is not master of realism, but a lazy one with zero imagination. Go figure.

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I don’t think being autobiographical with your writing is a bad thing. Many writers come to writing in order to express their thoughts about their lives, their experiences, their thoughts, and it’s often said that first novels are often autobiographical in some way. However, good writers learn to grow beyond that and expand their worldview in their writing.

I think some people in entertainment forget that filmmaking and television are team sports. If you want complete and total control over what you’re creating, be a novelist. I think it’s especially a problem with actors because their job is inherently a bit narcissistic. You don’t see many people who start as directors wanting to be the star of their own work, but you see so many actors who become directors wanting to direct, write, AND star. I just don’t think you’ll get the best end product if you do it that way. It comes across as self-indulgent and shallow.

But again I loved The Big Sick so I guess it’s not always a bad thing to do.

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The thing is that you can only write 1 majorly autobiographic piece - every new attempt will just turn into autoplagiarism. Same for actors - it's boring enough when they re-do the same role over and over, but when the said role is literally themselves with a different name and maybe some wigs? It's not "a bit narcissistic", it's clinically narcissistic at this point. And has nothing to do with actually sharing valuable life experiences, because THAT means you care enough about other people and THEIR lives and the impact your performance may have on them. Those people don't care. They tell what they want, get their paycheck and exit the stage. And we're left wondering whether is something wrong with us for not getting the "deep meaning" of those "true artists" work.

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Most of my works are semi-autobiographic. I don't know if I'll ever write a full biography (too long and I'm only 27)

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@purpleowl sounds like you might need to do a Maya Angelou style series so you can tell your story in the depth it deserves.

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I don’t know whether it’s an issue in the South Korean tv and film industries, but British and American studios (and live theater, too) have started employing “intimacy coordinators” to ensure that the actors are not made uncomfortable in any scene where there’s a certain level of skinship. Every step in the scene is mutually agreed upon by the actors, and “choreographed”—the same way you’d do a dance or fight scene—to avoid violating personal boundaries.

You’d think that something would be lost by removing the element of spontaneity…however, I’m not the one performing the scene and I therefore don’t think I’m in a position to pass judgement. But certainly, there’s a basic level of physical contact necessary in any love scene, and it goes beyond lip presses. Any actor that’s not okay with this should maybe stick to another genre.

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As a stage director, I've worked with both intimacy choreographers and fight choreographers (and choreographed these kinds of scenes myself) and would argue that the choreography is actually essential to doing these sorts of scenes safely. Rather than restricting the actors, the structure established by the choreography actually frees them to relax into the scene and focus on the acting since they know that their partner isn't going to surprise them with a sudden, unexpected move that might put them in physical or emotional danger. The reality is that almost all action on stage and screen is "choreographed", in the sense that it is planned out and carefully rehearsed in order to maximize the dramatic impact while keeping actors safe.

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A CGI kiss is so lame. Why bother? Why are you doing a romance then?

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@mindy I completely agree with you on every point, but especially on the appeal of kdrama romances. It is not because they are "traditional" in a Victorian sense. (As if a romance between a gumiho and a young woman or a robot and a chaebol was "traditional.") It is because the best of them show a love that recognizes the interests of both partners and yet also intensely connects them.

U.S. pop culture has no trouble with sentimentality--love of nation, of mothers, of pets, of soldiers, of automobiles, of guns is always sentimentally portrayed. Its just love between romantic partners that people are really cynical about. There are a lot of reasons for this, I know, including the simple one that all of us have had failed relationships at some point or another. The best of kdrama romances allow an escape from this cynicism without a descent into meaningless sentimentality.

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People keep declaring the 1980s-2000s the golden age of the romcom, but Hollywood was producing ones just as good—or better—during the 1930s and early 40s. (In fact, You’ve Got Mail was an updated version of 1940’s The Shop Around the Corner, which I’ll argue is the better film of the two.) Many feature strong, smart, independent women who run circles around the guys. You seldom hear any of these women mentioning “mother and housewife” as being their life’s ambition.

Some of my favorite romcoms from this earlier era are:
It Happened One Night (1934)
Bringing Up Baby (1938)
Midnight (1939)
The Shop Around the Corner (1940)
His Girl Friday (1940)
The Lady Eve (1941)
The More the Merrier (1943)

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These were my intro the rom com format--seen everyone of those films 5-6 times.
But there's also, a decade later, the great sports rom-com in the same mold, Pat and Mike (1952) with Katherine Hepburn and Spencer Tracy, with Hepburn as the star athlete emerging as the protective figure and breadwinner,and Deskset (1957), a very interesting film reflecting early fears about office workers being displaced by computers. There Hepburn is a classic career woman in a manager role, albeit subordinate to Tracy.

While I think the 1930s films really did capture a somewhat progressive mindset, I think by the 1950s into the 1960s the two Hepburn and Tracy films were somewhat unique. In fact the 1960s-1970s probably represented the first "death of the rom-com" in the U.S.

Today, I really do think kdramas are playing an important role in the U.S. in keeping rom-coms alive, but I don't have hard viewership statistics on that.

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I have to admit I’m not a fan of the Tracy-Hepburn films, but that’s just me. I know they’re considered classics.

My absolute favorites are from the Pre-Code era (before they instituted the Motion Picture Code that heavily restricted what could be shown onscreen). If you haven’t seen it, check out Baby Face, with Barbara Stanwyck…it’s really something!

Although it doesn’t fit into the strong, independent woman category, my all-time favorite romcom from the postwar era is Some Like It Hot.

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For me, “chemistry” boils down to something very simple - when watching, do I buy that these two characters are really falling in love with each other? I think the story is even more important than the actors. If the story, the dialogue, and the interactions between the main characters aren’t 100% believable, the best actors in the world can’t save it. But if you take a great story and add charming actors, you get a great movie. I’m thinking of When Harry Met Sally vs. Sleepless in Seattle. When Harry Met Sally feels real; with Sleepless in Seattle, their falling in love feels totally contrived.

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I have this interesting thing with Sleepless in Seattle where the first time I saw it, I was like “what the heck, this is so creepy” ; the second time I saw it, I found it very romantic and their chemistry believeable; the third I saw it I was back to “what, no” ….so in summary I believe that

A) Sleepless in Seattle would like to be romantic but is creepy

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B) how you feel about chemistry and whether a situation is romantic relies heavily on how you’re feeling at the time. (Similarly, why sometimes you try a drama and it just doesn’t do it for you, but you try again another time and it’s the best thing ever)

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cant write much I have brain fog so
positive side of having sick leave is I can paint. no actually, cant, bbecause im too tired
but I can watch drama. anyway
had to postpone kpop event but it is ok the teachers are still on board

glad I turned in my homework yesterday
mentally, much better than 3 weeks ago
watching heavenly idol. the begginning was cringe but the modern day seems interesting. no magically acquired skills, total confusion and helplessness. lets see
also, I will be an extra again in march

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I hope taxi driver 2 will be covered in weecaps. I really would like to talk about it and open threads aren't the same because either I just watch shows others aren't watching or others don't think to write on it.

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I don't think I like Love to Hate You, but I keep watching it hoping it will get better or will do something different. I don't think it will though.

Quick someone give me a good solid rec of a non-angsty, non-misogynistic, good fun romance before I go and rewatch BTIOFL for the 3000th time.

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BTIOFL is such an EXCELLENT choice tho. Lol

If you can ignore whiny chaebol siblings, my favorite kdrama is Cunning Single Lady. The siblings are easy to skip too. They don't really matter to the overall story over tha like an episode 14 struggle. I've watched it 3 times.

If you don't mind Thai, Kiss Me is my favorite drama of all time. And my favorite love story. It's based on Itazura Na Kiss, the Japanese manga. The Korean version was Playful Kiss with the amazingly talented and beautiful Jun So Min.

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Well, maybe I'll watch Kiss Me for the 2000th time. It's my favorite adaptation of the story. Have you watched the Thai Full House? Much better than the kdrama version, but sadly missing the really great (?) fashion.

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I really disliked the original Full House but loved the Thai version.

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I'm a week late but I haven't seen the Thai Full House. I need to.
Have you found the Indonesian InK?
Have you seen My Little Lover? It was on Netflix the two times I watch it.

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If you like the various adaptations of Itazura Na Kiss, I recommend the jdrama An Incurable Case of Love. It’s a similar vibe but the heroine is a bit more competent 😅

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What’s wrong with watching it 3,001 times? 🤭

Is Greasy Melo too angsty for you? 1% of Something too misogynistic? I enjoyed both of them.

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Both solid choices.

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Stopppp I’ve managed to avoid watching BTLIOF again for over 2 years and I’m not gonna start again now

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I mean, I'm not saying you should watch it again.

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What does BTIOFL stand for?

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Because this life is our first

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Love to Hate You is SO bad. I gave it a few tries because there's nothing else to watch but I just couldn't. The script is so bland and everything feels forced.

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Did you ever see Gaus Electronics?

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#800 beanies.
I started reading this website when it was around #238... Time sure flies.

Have a great weekend, you all.

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Have a great weekend, you too.

I just wonder how you know we have around 800 Beans here..

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i was saying that it's Open Thread #800 this week...

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My bad. Thanks for the clarification!

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Has anybody here read the novel that just came out called “The Sense of Wonder,” by Matthew Salesses? The main characters are a Korean-American basketball player and his girlfriend, a producer who wants to make a basketball-themed K-drama. From what I’ve read, it’s very meta, with many K-drama tropes baked into the novel itself. It sounds fabulous!

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It's sitting on my shelf right now waiting for me to pick it up. I enjoy his writing a lot, so I expect to like this one too.

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10 years there was drama,
https://asianwiki.com/Basketball_-_Korean_Drama
It was recapped here at DB.

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Interesting…have you seen it?

The author says his novel was inspired by Jeremy Lin, the Taiwanese-American basketball player who had a brief moment of fame playing for the NY Knicks in the NBA.

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Not the same story.

The drama Basketball was a train wreck. Read the recaps. It was a epic bad drama, recapped by
HeadsNo2. One from the DB archives.

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From having read the description of the show, I didn’t think they were the same. Thanks for warning me against it!

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This sounds good fun! Thanks for sharing!😊

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Just downloaded the audiobook, thanks for mentioning it.

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Let us know what you think after you’ve done listening to it! I’m waiting for the book to become available at my local library; they have it on order.

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I will 😊

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I really enjoyed the audiobook especially the parts where it describes the anatomy of a K drama. The way it is written it could easily be turned into a K drama, I hope someone takes it on.

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Thanks for the review. Now I’m really looking forward to reading it!

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This is so random but I wonder how people become managers and personal assistants in the (Korean) entertainment world. Like do you need to be college educated just to run errands and be berated when things go wrong?
Also it seems like managers & personal assistants are interchangable in the Korean entertainment world. Is that really the case?

I'm tempted to watch the drama call my agent (I think that's the title) just because I'm curious about the behind the scenes of the entertainment world.

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There is a difference between an agent like in Call My Agent and a manager.

The agent finds the acting jobs or advertisement, negociate, etc.

The manager follow the artist everywhere to take care of him/her.

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Ahhh! That makes sense haha
So are managers like personal assistants?

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Yeah, they drive, they command food, they handle the schedule, etc.

For idols, I know that sometimes the manager lives with the group during the comeback period. The music TV shows start very early in the morning, so it's more simple.

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Maybe there should a drama that's centered on managers.

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Shooting Star was about different jobs around the actors. The ML was the actor, but there were managers, the FL handled the press, a journalist, a lawyer.

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Hi Beanies,
I've been a lurker for awhile and have appreciated everyone's recaps, reports, comments, jokes, recommendations, complaints, etc.
I'm officially a spoonie now so I hope this means I will have lots of time for watching k-dramas.

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I thought I saw your name so many times already! Anyway, welcome!! 💐💐💐

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What does Spoonie mean?

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It means a person with a chronic illness. It comes from 'spoon theory' which is something a blogger (Christine Miserandino) created to describe the limited & unpredictable amount of energy she had due to Lupus.
In my case, it's Rheumatoid Arthritis that makes me moan, groan & laze around.
May you never run out of spoons & never have personal experience of being a spoonie!

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I think this is a really good term for something we should all think about as different things influence our energy levels. Sometimes, we act as if we should operate at 100% all the time so must be slacking when we can’t do the things we usually do. I think we take our health for granted until we can’t.

I hope your good days last long and the pain is manageable on the days when the spoon count is low.

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Welcome to the wonderful world of the beanie comments section. We look forward to reading your comments on your chosen dramas. I hope you find some great watches.

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I'm relatively new to DB as well who took the opposite tack of jumping right in. Welcome from a fellow newbie!
Condolences on being a spoonie per your definition, but hope you have more good days than bad!

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I'm sorry you're an official spoonie. You can message me anytime. Have fun exploring th8s world. Let me know I'd you want any other East Asian media recommendations.

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Thanks PurpleOwl. K-dramas & Dramabeans have been a good distraction for me, taking my mind off troubles large & small.

I have a question that perhaps you or someone else can answer: is there a Beginner's Guide to Dramabeans? Like a how-to guide to all the parts of the site?

Also: in my head I am now reciting, "I've never seen a purple owl, I never hope to see one . . . . "

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Not that I know of

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