Love is for Suckers: Episodes 3-4
by Dramaddictally
If this drama hasn’t already made you a sucker, I don’t know what to say. I love it! We turn down the humor just a tad this week and take a more melancholic tone. But the theme of late-30s love continues strong with a relatable heroine who wants it all, and finally feels like she just might get it. If you’re looking for realistic 30s dilemmas, unrealistically good-looking friends to lovers, or Choi Siwon in board shorts, you’ve found your match.
EPISODES 3-4 WEECAP
To pick up where we left off, the kiss does not happen (except in Jae-hoon’s head, but we’ll get to that later). However, the absent kiss gives us a lot of information about how our leads truly feel about each other. Yeo-reum puckers right up, ready to go for it, while Jae-hoon gets himself out of there immediately (he’s too tempted). Both are kicking themselves in the morning at how awkward they’ve made everything, as they try to act normal.
No matter how awkward things may seem, Jae-hoon is still the first person Yeo-reum calls when her father is rushed to the hospital. But Jae-hoon is with a patient and can’t pick up, so Yeo-reum starts to leave on her own. As luck (or total creepiness) would have it, In-woo is outside her house and offers to drive the few hours to Chuncheon so she can be with her parents. When Jae-hoon sees his missed calls, he has no hesitation in calling back, but Yeo-reum is too tied up by then to answer.
When her dad is in stable condition, Yeo-reum and In-woo drive back to Seoul and get a few things off their chests. In-woo apologizes for the way he left three years ago and Yeo-reum says it’s no one’s fault, and that they were both very emotional. He says he’s regretted it ever since, and Yeo-reum surely seems more relaxed with him than she did before.
When they arrive to her house, Jae-hoon watches from upstairs as In-woo comes in at 1AM for ramen (but, like, real ramen). Clearly jealous, Jae-hoon starts making as much noise as possible, dropping dumbbells, vacuuming, dancing to hip-hop — and succeeds in disturbing a kiss before it occurs. Prior to all the racket, In-woo had just been telling Yeo-reum that he’s watched all her shows, and he hasn’t gotten over her.
When In-woo finally leaves, Yeo-reum marches upstairs to ask Jae-hoon what the hell he’s doing and also gets a chance to tell him about her father being in the hospital. Jae-hoon turns serious fast and apologizes for not being able to take her call earlier. The next day, he calls her parents, sends them lunchboxes, and speaks to her dad’s doctor to make sure all is okay. He also wants to contribute toward the hospital bill. Jae-hoon tells Yeo-reum all this when he’s called her over to put potato slices on his sunburned back and their awkwardness dissolves into aegyo. It seems for a moment that things are back to normal between them.
After the night she almost kissed In-woo, Yeo-reum gets excited about the prospect of seeing him again — squeeing with her friend about it at a jjimjilbang — and not even mentioning the almost-kiss with Jae-hoon. She says she likes the familiarity with In-woo and feels like it’s been forever since anyone looked at her like that. Her friend encourages her to get back with In-woo, while secretly plotting to get her and Jae-hoon together by pressing Jae-hoon to confess. Jae-hoon admits he has feelings for Yeo-reum sometimes but it’s not enough to act on.
Meanwhile, In-woo is all about acting on his feelings. He invites Yeo-reum to dinner, where she solemnly asks why he hasn’t moved on. On the walk home, he pulls out a ring and asks her to marry him again, saying “I’ve always been in love with you.” She’s shocked and isn’t ready to answer. She takes the ring (but doesn’t wear it), needing time to decide. When she tells Jae-hoon, he’s angry, asking where In-woo has been for the last three years. But Yeo-reum is more practical: she’s 37 and he’s 40; if they’re going to date they should do it with marriage in mind. Yeo-reum wants to get married — and she knows Jae-hoon does not.
In-woo begins to try to woo Yeo-reum by sending gifts to her office in the form of giant balloons that say “Marry Me” and expensive shoes “for her to wear when she comes to him” (I mean, the guy’s got game). Yeo-reum goes out of her way to get the balloons home through elevators and buses (and I can’t help but think of how she refused the giant bouquet that Jae-hoon bought her, claiming it was too big for the office). When her balloons get stuck in a tree, Jae-hoon helps her grab them and walks them home, even though he’s mad about them being from In-woo.
In a very odd exchange, In-woo goes to see Jae-hoon and says not to get in the way of him and Yeo-reum. He thinks Jae-hoon is living upstairs because he likes her — he should get lost or come at the situation like a man. Along with the friend who told Jae-hoon to confess, this interaction pushes him further toward his feelings for Yeo-reum. In a final act, he tells Ji-yeon — who really, truly likes him—that he is not interested in her, ending any ambiguity and freeing him up to pursue Yeo-reum.
Finally feeling ready, he goes to meet Yeo-reum after work on a rainy day, catching her under an umbrella. And, oh, the look! (What are you doing to me, Siwon?). But In-woo shows up at the same time with an umbrella and a giant teddy bear (why is everything oversized?). Yeo-reum goes with In-woo and says she’ll get ahold of Jae-hoon later. In the car, she learns that In-woo doesn’t believe in friendship between men and women, so if she chooses to marry him, she’ll be giving up Jae-hoon too.
She says yes. They start to plan their wedding and Yeo-reum looks so happy that I can’t help but smile too, even if I’m rooting for Jae-hoon. And Jae-hoon has the same problem. He wants to tell her how he feels, but how can he? She’s radiant with In-woo. One night, he runs to her, thinking of all the things he should have said and done to tell her how he feels (and we get to see what that kiss would have looked like), but when he arrives, she and In-woo are happy and laughing and he can’t.
On the wedding day, when the ceremony is about to begin, Yeo-reum tearfully stands in front of all the guests in her bridal gear and calls the whole thing off. We don’t know why, but there are only two real options. Either she’s had a change of heart about Jae-hoon, or the random New York lady that showed up to see In-woo has caused a major complication. I will go with the latter given that we had a lesson on the love life of Klimt in the middle of these episodes. Ji-yeon’s professorial question to her art students was, “Why did he love her and yet hurt her?”
If it’s possible, I think I liked these episodes even more than last week. They feel very self-contained and could even stand alone as a movie. Between Episodes 3 and 4, we get all the beats of a standard romantic comedy, from the forever friends disrupting their relationship with an almost-kiss, to the male lead literally running to tell the female lead how he feels. Even that look at the end between Jae-hoon and Yeo-reum was enough to be the start of something between them. Although, don’t get me wrong, I’m still on the edge of my seat for more episodes!
I love that this drama is really hitting the right notes for late-30s dilemmas, and I was moved by nearly everything that happened. When Jae-hoon told Ji-yeon he’s not interested, after she was pursuing him so hard (and so sweetly), I felt for both of them. And when In-woo proposed to Yeo-reum, it made total sense to me why she would want that. The love of her life reappears and still loves her. Now she gets her career and the man she wanted to marry without choosing between them. I understand why she says yes.
At the same time, the drama is also playing on other aspects of getting older. Yeo-reum’s dad gets sick, she goes through a traumatic event by rushing to the hospital to be with him, and her parents start worrying about her being alone when they’re gone. She’s worrying about it too. Even though she admits she’s thought about Jae-hoon in the past romantically, she’s thinking practically. And, I have to say, my favorite line is when Yeo-reum is trying to win a stuffed animal from a claw machine and says, “I’m trying to adopt a pet bear because my life is so lonely.” It might have been a throwaway line — or really sad sounding — but I laughed uncontrollably, because it just rang true.
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Tags: Choi Siwon, Jo Soo-hyang, Lee Da-hee, Love is for Suckers, Park Yeon-woo
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1 kdramapedia
October 14, 2022 at 8:04 PM
I have to give this up. Jae-Hoon is so petty and immature, and I can't think of a single redeeming quality. Every time he does something nice, it's always because he previously screwed up. I understand he's still spiraling from his dad's death, but he needs to get himself together before he plays around with someone else's emotions. I just can't watch him anymore.
Yeo-Reum is such a delight and deserves much better than the friends and love interests she's surrounded by. At least her parents are just as sweet and loving as she is.
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Kun
October 14, 2022 at 9:06 PM
I mean I understand that the racket upstairs was petty but it seems like a stretch to say he has no redeeming qualities. I also feel like he has generally been a supportive and good friend to Yeo-Reum so I feel a little puzzled by this take.
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beffels
October 14, 2022 at 11:58 PM
I feel a bit puzzled by this take too. He deliberately lets down the other woman pursuing him politely but firmly; and he doesn’t make a move on Yeo-Reom BECAUSE he doesn’t want to play around with her emotions when he’s not in a good place…he’s got a somewhat juvenile sense of humour which sometimes goes over the top but other than that he seems pretty awesome.
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Eazal
October 15, 2022 at 12:53 AM
I still have to decide whether I like him or not, but I found his conversation with JiYeon so honest. He never lied to her, and he is kind and direct.
And when he tells their mutual friend he doesn't want to go to YeoReom because he's in no place to ask her to love him, I totally understood him. He is not acting carelessly, he knows he's not in the right moment to have a relationship. He is putting himself first for the best reason: he needs to take care of himself before taking care of others.
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kdramapedia
October 15, 2022 at 4:03 AM
Then he should continue to take care of himself and stop standing in Yeo-Reum's way. He's either ready to date her or he isn't. If he's not at that point yet, don't throw petty tantrums or buy his way into her family's good side. Being a good guy sometimes doesn't make him a good guy.
Yes, the drama is trying to redeem him (eg, mature conversations after the fact), but he's 37-years-old and I honesty don't care about his growth after three episodes of him (at least initially) being a jerk to everyone he's talked to. Being a good man to only the person he likes doesn't make him a good man. #sorrynotsorry
miss h
October 15, 2022 at 8:44 AM
@kdramapedia I respect your opinion, but I will disagree with you about JH buying his way into her family's good side. If IW had done what JH did, I would agree but YR and JH are long-time friends, and he apparently knows her parents since they said he called and spoke with them and the doctor. In this instance, I think he was being a good friend and being considerate to elders he cares about.
kdramapedia
October 15, 2022 at 3:56 AM
He may be holding back because he's not ready, but that doesn't give him the right to sabotage her attempts at dating others. Yes, he had an honest conversation later, but as I pointed out, it was AFTER he was acting immature. He stepped out of her way when she was getting married, but AFTER his petty antics. He always shows up for her in the wrong way. Embarrassing the girl you like instead of listening to her needs is elementary behavior, and I hate that the guy who pulls her pigtails ends up with the girl. I hate the rhetoric that guys are mean to you because they like you, and women are supposed to put up with their antics until the mab is ready to settle down. He reminds me of horrible exes who "meant well" but didn't do enough, and even worse, a narcissistic ex who did grand gestures in front of family to win them over. For me, that makes Jae-Hoon a hard no.
And I hate that her best friend squeed in her face, then the second she leaves plots to get her to date a different man. A true friend could've giggled along and then sensitively asked if In-Won was truly who she wanted to date.
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beffels
October 15, 2022 at 4:13 AM
We disagree about Jaehoon, but I agree about the friend - I’m really not on board with her friend congratulating her while also plotting for her to date someone different. If it was my friend contemplating getting back together with an ex who decided to move to another country without even asking her opinion and then ditched her when she got upset about it, I’d like to think I’d have a few more questions for her about whether that was a good idea.
Kun
October 15, 2022 at 4:27 AM
I mean I still feel like this a blatant misreading of the show so far. I didn't think it was some sort of grand gesture he made to win over her family, they didn't even know he sent the food? Like idk I felt like he was pretty considerate and well just a good friend when it came to that, he immediately dropped the clown act when he realized what was going on.
I also don't feel like the guy who pulls on the pigtails of the girls he like is an accurate description. Like these are two people who have a history of friendship and so far he has "pulled on her pigtails" twice in the show. On the first occasion she called him for a favor and he pulled what he thought would be a harmless prank since he was unaware of the context. Once he was aware, he apologized and once again idk to me this feels like a pretty normal friendship.
Were the antics following him seeing the ex petty and immature? Yes, but I would argue his opposition to the ex stems from a place of frustration with the guy who made all these promises and then promptly left YR. I guess I just disagree with this notion that he's mean or incosiderate to her to mask his feelings or something. To me it seems evident that he just enjoys teasing a long time friend and he is pretty unafraid to show that he does care for her ie. through the numerous times he came through in meaningful ways for her in the opening week.
The point on the friend I can agree with but I really can't disagree more about JH, the earlier reply about him being an ass to everyone else but YR also feels out of left field. We have seen him interact with his friends and Jiyeon and especially with Jiyeon he has been pretty considerate and straightforward.
kdramapedia
October 15, 2022 at 4:38 AM
@kun You can continue to disagree. That doesn't make my opinion a "blatant" misrepresentation; it is MY interpretation. I'm the same age as the characters and I've dated people like Jae-Hoon and I refuse to put up with or see other people deal with that type of sh!t. The drama is designed to romanticize this type of friends-to-lovers relationship, and it's wonderful that you're enjoying it. That doesn't give you the right to say my life experiences, which shape my perspective and opinions, are wrong.
We all enjoy and hate different types of shows. I'm often the contrary opinion on dramas on this website, and I find the conflicting views fun. But this is a place to share different perspectives WITHOUT being dismissive of other's opinions. Wr can state our position, agree to disagree, and happily move on.
You love it? Fabulous! Please respect that I don't. Thank you.
Kun
October 15, 2022 at 4:43 AM
Fair enough, agree to disagree but I do feel like some clarification on the being an ass to everyone else should be there because I don't recall these scenes.
kdramapedia
October 15, 2022 at 5:20 AM
Sure. He does the same thing to the blind date. I was so happy she called him out on it! He apologized, but he clearly didn't mean it. They agreed to hang out from time to time, but he's always distracted, blows her off, or is short with her. (We know that she still wants to marry him, but HE doesn't know that yet.) It's another example of him being wishy-washy; either commit to being a friend or tell her no. If there’s something bothering him, don't waste her time, just reschedule.
When he borrowed the friend's truck, the wife kept telling him not to do it (I liked her at this point), but he and the husband ignored her and embarrassed Yeo-Reum anyway. He was literally told not to be a clown for once, and he basically said, screw you because I do what I want.
When I dated someone like him, I had to constantly say, "I don't want to be the butt of your jokes" or "please take this seriously. " No one should have to beg him to be a decent human being. If he's depressed, he needs to work on that. He may be trying to support her, but he's not doing it in a way Yeo-Reum wants to receive love. That is SO important in relationships. Love your partner the way they want to be loved (and vice versa), not the way you think they should be loved.
Maya Angelou said, "When someone shows you who they are, believe them." He's shown that he's an immature jerk who isn't ready to settle down (yet), so I believe him.
And this is my last response to this. Have a fantastic day.
Kun
October 15, 2022 at 5:31 AM
Have a good day, apologies if I came across as dismissive I did mean to simply disagree with your interpreation of the character, not dismiss your viewpoint.
I do feel like he has been pretty respectful with Jiyeon, if anything it strikes me as just a mistake on her part that she used the idea of a friendship as a pretense to continue to pursue him despite him making it clear that he wasn't interested in a relationship. I guess I feel like he made it pretty clear after the blind date that he wasn't interested so they were on two different footings whenever they interacted which gives the impression of him being dismissive or short but to me just felt like well they literally just met and she basically had to look up his office and play the pity card to convince him to come eat with her a few times.
Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
October 14, 2022 at 10:26 PM
Yes, this drama gets the award for best portrayal of normal loving grounded parents who get the assignment and excel at it. They look like the perfect couple two people cut from the same cloth. K dramas do loving families really well but for some reason we just don't get to see it often in dramas these days.
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JillofAllTrades
October 17, 2022 at 12:08 PM
TRUE! I was so happy to see normal loving parents. I am tired of how shitty parents are portrayed in K-Dramas.
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2 Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
October 14, 2022 at 8:25 PM
@dramaddictally thanks for a great weecap. I loved these episodes too.
I like we get more backstory into the professional Jaehoon and see him looking great in proper clothes. I don’t get why the only way to show people are no longer ‘themselves’ professionally or personally is to dress them in tracksuits and flip flops when they interact with others in public.
I am keen to know about random woman as I am convinced he has had a serious love interest that didn’t work out in the US and that is the ONLY reason he came back to the woman he felt had rejected him. His pride and intentions had prevented him doing anything for three years when they could have had a distance relationship for a period of time. With video calls and plane trips they could have made it work if he was not due to stay for ever.
I knew when Inwoo came back all casual ‘hi here’s your birthday cake’ that he had an entitlement attitude. Birthdays are special days so when you know you are an unknown entity why turn up on that day when you are likely to ruin it. It’s the ultimate act of selfishness to me.
I like the contrast between the displays of love; Jaehoon was hands on practical, Inwoo is all about flashy showing off. Like Jaehoon said where was he when it came to taking the balloons home. The teddy bear was ugly and again it’s the public superficial displays. Talking of teddy bears the shaking hand at the claw machine made no sense as Jaehoon uses his hands doing plastic surgery treatment so how come he can do that no problem?
The bride would have been given away by her dad so how come Yeoreum made the announcement about calling off the wedding she absolutely would have spoken to her parents about it and they would have made the announcement for her so she could have left discretely. I know it’s a drama but her family and friends are so on it I can’t see her arguing outside and then walking back into the room and facing that humiliation on her own.
I like this drama and where it is going. The impact of the PD’s family dynamic was really powerfully shown in the way she was broken down from that hard cold presentation we usually see. Again Jaehoon’s practical support was on display as he stood covering her dignity when he could have easily walked on.
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jerrykuvira
October 14, 2022 at 11:41 PM
I don’t get why the only way to show people are no longer ‘themselves’ professionally or personally is to dress them in tracksuits and flip flops when they interact with others in public.
I know right. The symbolism is confusing. More so when there are people who are 1.) definitely themselves and/or 2.) as a philosophy of life, dress in tracksuits, flip flops and even crocs. They should find another to put his grief out there. Before we assume a high number of tracksuits in flipflops are broken people.
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
October 14, 2022 at 11:48 PM
It’s always the dramatic fall from tailored suits to a tracksuit. It would be like seeing one dollar lawyer wearing one he has gone for the other extreme maintaining his air of top class even though his office and clients no longer reflect the corporate lifestyle he was dismantling before.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
October 15, 2022 at 4:15 AM
May be I am broken and didn’t know it!!
Lol. Says the one who is always in PJs and tracks flip flops in summer :)
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
October 15, 2022 at 4:21 AM
For me it’s about what’s normal for you. I have wear at home clothes and work clothes but if I get caught by the neighbours when I unplug my electric car in my wear at home clothes I feel embarrassed. I have levels of casual clothes; what I would wear when doing a local walking trip is different to those for when I am out with friends. I just get the impression he would have had lounging in the house and going out clothes too.
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jerrykuvira
October 15, 2022 at 2:04 PM
Love is For Suckers says you are broken ;)
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kdramapedia
October 15, 2022 at 4:08 AM
That is such a good point about In-Woo reappearance on her birthday. So manipulative!
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beffels
October 15, 2022 at 12:19 PM
I also liked the contrast between the displays of love - JH supporting practically without showing off (unless that was the point) -he didn’t even tell her he sent the lunchboxes - and IW was all oversized toys which are annoying and what do you do with them afterwards? I was getting so frustrated on Yeoreum’s behalf when she was taking the balloons home.
I’m taking the hand shaking thing as a metaphor for the pressure of the situation (though not sure if it works). At the plastic surgery clinic it’s low stakes and he’s not deeply involved, but he’s stepped back from neurosurgery (high stakes); with the claw machine it’s not so much getting the bear itself but what it symbolises regarding his relationship with Yeoreum.
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3 DancingEmma
October 14, 2022 at 9:47 PM
Lee Dahee is such a charming actor and Yeoreum deserves much better. I can’t stand Inwoo as the actor playing him has the charm of a plank of wood bit more importantly, his character is shady, manipulative, suffocating her with ‘love’ bombing and territorial from the get go. Just a toxic dude wrapped in a slightly less abrasive get up. And, I hate all the clichéd crap (sending shoes which look like they would be so painful to wear and oohing and aahing over diamonds which I bet are conflict diamonds or at very least, conflict adjacent.
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ladynightshade wants her own ryu sunjae
October 15, 2022 at 4:45 PM
@dncingemma: “the charm of a plank of wood” is just right. I’ve seen this actor in multiple dramas over the years now and I’ve yet to ever truly like or even appreciate any of his characters. The closest I ever got to that was in Reply 1997 because of his bond with his little brother (played by my beloved Seo In-guk), but his character was also straight-up predator who dated a high schooler so I was able to safely hate his guts lol.
The shoes did look painful. Everything about the guy indicates that he’s pretty well-off financially, yet somehow the quality of the shoes look worse than something I’d buy from a street stall. And don’t get me started on the sheer audacity of the man thinking he has the right to choose what his lover should or should not wear.
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4 geminirat
October 14, 2022 at 10:34 PM
Thank you, @dramaddictally, for the weecap! I love the friendship between Yeo-rum and Jae-hoon. At one of the worst days in Yeo-rum's life, her first thought is to tell Jae-hoon (for support, I think). When Jae-hoon learns about her father's hospitalization, he became serious and supported the elders even without Yeo-rum knowing. And yes, In-woo, a man and a woman can be friends!!
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Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
October 15, 2022 at 12:04 PM
None of these characters ever explains why they believe that “men and women can’t be friends.” It's just a tell that (1) that character is not the end game for the lead and (2) the friends are about to be more than friends. I still know people in real life who think that way, though (and yup, they're wrong).
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5 ssandulak
October 14, 2022 at 11:31 PM
Well they certainly picked up the pace. I almost thought I missed something the way they sped through the engagement right to the cancelled wedding. Though it’s a pleasant surprise. Most shows would drag this out a LOT but we’re hopping right ahead, and I’m enjoying our leads and their plights.
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6 Nefret
October 14, 2022 at 11:31 PM
Somehow the last two episodes have taken a direction I didn't expect, and the pace was strange, first slow, then suddenly fast motion. I hope that things will soon get a bit more cheerful and lighter again.
Hopefully we won't see the ex-boyfriend again so soon. The scenes with him were too long for me, which dragged out the two episodes quite a lot.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
October 15, 2022 at 4:12 AM
Well. It’s better than his arc being dragged out for another 8 episodes. Lol. I actually liked that it all happened so soon in the drama and 2ML didn’t show up in the 8th ep or so. So we can now move on with the leads figuring out what they want in life and doing something about it.
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7 jerrykuvira
October 14, 2022 at 11:32 PM
Why would two perfect individuals fit for each other not want the same things in order to be together?
Yoo-reum wanting marriage and Jae-hoon not wanting it is...I don't know. It's sad to watch. So I see why Yoo-reum wouldn't want to consider him as a potential suitor despite being a good romantic interest(Her lips were set to receive him and then he backed out so...) - One pivotal interest doesn't align. Whatever pushed him to that point, he needs to heal from it. And then make an informed decision on whether or not he still wishes to be open to marriage. I hope the teased tragedy he suffered doesn't hang itself all over the story.
And I'll love to see him do things on his own whim and not because there's a tangential jolt. Step up. Be more vocal. Stop being careful. You won't know what's on Yoo-reum's mind until you speak up.
I'm going to keep an open mind with In-woo because I like his go-getter persona and the added conflict he adds to the drama. Plus, I'm a sucker for men and women who are pro-marriage(In-woo's biggest ✅ in my books). Still I don't like it when someone marks territory especially when you've not earned the right to do now. When he brought a cake for her birthday without premise I was thrown off and was asking 'Where? How? What? Who and what do you think you are?' while being carried away with his boldness. However, telling her to cut off Jae-hoon is not how we do it. Not when you fled. It's a no-no.
P.S. Don't tease me with a kiss like that ever again.
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kdramapedia
October 15, 2022 at 4:18 AM
I wish Yeo-Reum would just remain friends with both of them (but this is a kdrama, lol).
In-Woo is "the one who got away," someone you remember the good times fondly and occasionally wonder "what if." But it probably won't work out because too much time as gone by, and you're different people now. Could be good friends if both move on and support one another. (But again, kdrama, haha)
Jae-Hoon is the "just never got the timing right" friend. You liked each other, but never at the same time. You now know too much about each other to really make it work. And you have different outlooks on life (eg, one wants kids but the other doesn't. In this case, wanting marriage.) and different priorities, so you resolve to be friends forever. (But alas, kdrama)
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8 blessingwind
October 14, 2022 at 11:54 PM
Even though Jae Hoon acts kinda immature for his age sometimes, I totally swoon for him when he become serious. The guy however needs some good healing with that trauma of his.
The moments where Jae Hoon imagined the 3 scenarios where he actually does and tells what he feels like to Yoo Reum was really bittersweet. He really loves her, but he is putting a boundary not to hurt her, yet always is there for whatever issue she has in her life, supporting her. I love their friendship so much.
I am totally SUCKERS for this drama <3
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9 Kurama
October 15, 2022 at 12:34 AM
I don't specially like Jae-Hoon. He doesn't know what he wants and confuses everyone around him. I don't know what is the incident that made him stopping at being a neurosurgeon but he should really see a psy. He had 3 years to confess his feelings but of course he waited for the wedding news... The jealousy with the loud music is so childish.
Yeo-Reum is a nice person and it's sad that her insecurities make to dive in this wedding without more thinking before. She wants stability and I understand that, but they changed in 3 years, so they could wait before the marriage.
After 4 episodes, the synopsis of the drama hasn't start yet, Jae-Hoon being a member of her TV show.
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Eazal
October 15, 2022 at 1:06 AM
I agree with you in not specially liking JaeHoon, and I also agree that the guy is clearly showing signs of depression and he should be seeing a professional to deal with it. Even so, I like what he does: he didn't want to go to YeoReum because he first needs to fix himself, he told JiYeon clearly and kindly that he is not romantically interested in her, and he "protected" ChaeRi while she was having a rough time. So I can see he is a good person, but still I don't really know what to think about him.
I am also waiting for the drama to start... JaeHoon being part of the cast of the TV show.
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Kurama
October 15, 2022 at 1:13 AM
He's cleary a good person who cares about his family and friends but something is weird with him.
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jerrykuvira
October 15, 2022 at 2:44 PM
It was sublty hinted but they've set that (Jae-hoon starring in Kingdom of Love 2) in motion with the cast. Jae-hoon will most likely be replacing the main lead plastic surgeon.
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Kurama
October 15, 2022 at 3:15 PM
Oh, yeah, I know. But for me, the synopsis sounded like they realized they had feelings for each other on the TV show and not before. Now, I feel like it will be a little more "angsty" than "flirty" on the show.
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10 wapz
October 15, 2022 at 12:52 AM
Thanks Dramaddictally, I totally missed out the reference to Klimt's painting. I thought the show was quite slow in the first 3 episodes but it picked pace or rather too much pace in the 4th that I was hoping everything was a dream sequence instead. But that is good because it will bring us to everything related to Kingdom of Love sooner.
I'm not surprised by whatever the leads did, it is so aligned with their characters. JH would've never confessed when he's deep in depression. He doesn't feel confident enough to have a confidant for life in YR. He thinks he doesn't deserve her right now. The same goes for YR, it's her low self esteem and fear of growing past the age anyone would take interest in her that lead to her decision to marry soon. Had she actually married, she would've compromised with her situation and maybe keep on living in denial that she was never worthy of the love she doesn't feel with IW. Many people take this decision eventually just like YR describes happiness. We feel it's practical and something that comes with experience and is the case with the majority but we honestly never know if that's how things should be or we deserved better.
I really liked this ep because I could finally see humans in these characters. They feel more real and also apt according to their ages (I'm beginning to think I'm mentally 30 plus while still being in my 20s because I think like them lol). Hopefully the show will remain at a good pace going forward.
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Eazal
October 15, 2022 at 1:12 AM
Your feelings are also mine.
I wasn't really hooked with the premiere but this week's episodes have worked for me, even if I don't really like any of the leads. I can understand YR (you've described her so well!!) but I wished she could understand that getting married doesn't equal being happy. But when her parents find out she is going to get married, they are so utterly happy, it's the last drop to make her say yes, and that saddened me so much, because I know how unhappy she will be when she realises marriage doesn't equal happiness.
I don't quite like JH either, but when he kept repeating her "he dropped you in that service area" he was just pointing out the truth.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
October 15, 2022 at 4:09 AM
JH is being a good friend. He is not saying things out of jealousy Or because he had feelings for her. He is always honest with her. He is right is saying she is being too easy in getting back with him. He pointed out he wasn’t a nice guy when he left her in the service area. So far he has been a good friend to her. He is being the devils advocate and I think everyone needs a friend who can tell you that you may be wrong.
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miss h
October 15, 2022 at 8:34 AM
JH was speaking the truth even though his delivery wasn't the best. IW did leave her at the service area and made the decision to transfer to New York without talking to YR. I think JH had good reason to not like seeing IW back in YR's life, and it wasn't all jealousy. Plus, they mentioned in a previous episode how wrecked YR was after the breakup and IIRC, how JH held her hair back every time she drank too much. If I had went through that with YR, I wouldn't want to see her go back to the guy, and I would be pissed that IW came and made a big deal about JH living above her and told him to get out of her life.
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wapz
October 15, 2022 at 5:03 AM
I knew you'd like these episodes too. I actually quite like JH. I mean rather than like, i find him relatable. He is not action forward and I know many look for that in MLs but he's strangulated by fear and depression. I really appreciate the writer for not letting him ask YR out because he really couldn't. It would've been unrealistic if he did. I can understand how he behaves, not great, but when you're deep in the rut you don't know how to get out of it too even if it's at the cost of precious things , people and opportunities you value.
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beffels
October 15, 2022 at 11:11 AM
I really liked that he couldn’t do it as well; I found that inability to take action really relatable.
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11 Eazal
October 15, 2022 at 1:24 AM
I loved this week's episodes more than the premiere but I am still waiting to see what the drama is supposed to be about: JH being part of the cast of Kingdom of Love 2.
As someone who's already been with the late 30s crisis, I wished YeoReum hadn't rushed into a marriage just for the mere reason of not being left alone in the future. I totally get she has feelings for IW, but after not talking for three years to the guy who dumped you in a service station and travelled abroad afterwards, deciding to marry him in a couple of months was really a leap of faith... and even without the ending scene or the misterious NY lady, I would put all my money on a disastrous situation.
Besides, Song Jong Ho always plays this creepy guy whose intentions are not clear... or at least he was like that on almost every role I've seen him, so it's really hard to me believing he is just a good guy with good intentions.
As i mentioned in other comments, I don't particularly like any of the leads right now, but it doesn't mean I dislike them. I am really interested in knowing more about ChaeRi. I find her character really interesting.
One final comment: why is it so that every time leads in a drama have friends who own a bar/restaurant that bar/restaurant is always empty, and they are ready to have a drink with leads? I know it's for drama purposes, but I'm still amazed.
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
October 15, 2022 at 2:11 AM
It’s true if its a lead working as a part timer then it’s busy and they are rushed off their feet but if a friend of the leads it’s empty. The one exception and I think its because of the part timer element for the female lead she works in a restaurant downstairs to the male lead’s talent agency so there are lots of meet ups there and it is always busy so she can be run off her feet. The drama is one of the older ones - You are the best! Lee Soonshin.
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12 jillian
October 15, 2022 at 2:24 AM
I feel for both YR and JH. They have been forever friends and it can be daunting to take a risk. I can understand that despite thinking of the other romantically at one point, it seems like timing was off. I do hope they get in synced soon.
I do think the NY woman is the reason. Probably an ex fiancee thats why In Woo already have "everything ready" and YR just needs to go back to him. That jerk.
The show has shown that JH is a good guy that just needs to get his act together. I actually thought it was sweet of him to buy her parents and hospital staff dosiraks. Plus his way of helping with the hospital fees was very sweet of him. I think YR is deterred by his very matter-of-fact and blunt response. I just wonder what it will take to get this two together. Even their friends meddling is barely making a dent.
For the other characters, I like their married best friend. Chae Ri can be too much but she is interesting so I don't hate on her yet.
I actually like Ji Yeon and wish that she finds her own man at the end of the drama.
I hope this show will continue to be good since I am rooting for JH and YR to get their romantic life on the right track.
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13 aida
October 15, 2022 at 2:37 AM
I'm calling it right now that In-woo proposed to the New York lady with the diamond ring, that's why the size doesn't fit Yeo-reum anymore. I think he had it resized, and then gave it back to YR (yuck! throw the whole man away!)
I really liked the premiere, and I was sad that the humor wasn't as prominent in this week's episodes, but I did enjoy the biter-sweetness of the whole thing (and I guess I did ask for angst - be careful what you wish for!).
How we empathize and relate to a character depends on our current and past experiences. As someone who struggles with depression, I resonate with Jae-hoon quite a bit. His humor is childish and petty, but beneath his aloof exterior he just seems... sad and adrift in life.
I also love Yeo-reum more with each week, and I like pretty much all supporting characters.
Except In-woo. He can choke on a penis fish.
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
October 15, 2022 at 2:51 AM
‘I'm calling it right now that In-woo proposed to the New York lady with the diamond ring, that's why the size doesn't fit Yeo-reum anymore’. 👍 agreed I kept thinking how come it doesn’t fit but the shoes did? I liked him in the flashback until he decided to apply for a job, do the interview and then accept the job and only then remembered to discuss it with his significant other. He went from hero to minus zero which is a point of no return for me. If you’re in a secure relationship other people can not sway you so the fact he had to try to shut down a friendship from fear says it all and added even more minus points.
“Except In-woo. He can choke on a penis fish”. 👈 today’s laugh out loud from the comments section right there thank you🤣
Agreed re the connections we have to certain characters. I love both our leads and want to see them together when the time is right.
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aida
October 15, 2022 at 3:54 AM
Glad I made you laugh hehe
I agree, he definitely reeks of insecurity. I rolled my eyes whenever he bombarded her with a new (suspiciously big and loud) gift. And then his whole conversation with Jae-hoon really cemented the whole thing for me.
Man? Thrown.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
October 15, 2022 at 4:03 AM
JH works for me too. He has adopted a lazy attitude and is avoiding his issues. Even though he fools around he is mature and considerate when it matters. Be it with YR or the art lady 2FML.
And he is goofy only with her.
I am all for throwing the whole man away. 😂
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wapz
October 15, 2022 at 5:06 AM
Same I resonate with JH and his inability to take action but besides that I think he's a pretty decent guy (or character lol).
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14 Blue (@mayhemf)
October 15, 2022 at 4:00 AM
I loved these two episodes. The leads just work for me. I love their relationship. It’s not like they spend all their time together (they have their own things to do) and share everything with each other but their bond is wonderful. It’s almost like they are family and more.
Gosh. I hate people sending romantic stuff to workplace. And I loved the show went on to show what a hassle it is to bring these stuff back home. And when JH came to jump and pick up those ballooons my heart skipped a bear. He is just effortlessly swoony at times.
They potato aegyo scene was so adorable. Times like this I can totally see them dating.
The marriage was so rushed. She chose him for convenience. I mean she didn’t even ask him what he did for 3 years. If he loved her all along why he never called her or reached out to her? If he came back to the service area why he never called to apologize? didn’t ask him what he did there. How he spent his weekends. Why he never visited Korea for vacation etc et. She almost thought she can pretend that she can erase the 3 years. But 3 years is a lot of time.
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pliplipli
October 15, 2022 at 6:14 AM
she doesnt even love this guy anymore. she decided to marry him so fast bcs she loves the idea of being married, from her own dreams and everything society screams at her (like her own parents). to her, its like the universe is telling her "its now or never". the only person in her life who told her what was happening was JH, but his own circunstances made her not take him that seriously (she thinks he's saying that just bcs he doesnt want to get married). I understand theres a fineline as a friend to support and be the devils advocate in tough situations, but I wished her female friends was more incisive questioning her about this super fast marriage.
however, when the marriage thing started to go really fast I knew it was not going to happen just bcs korea wouldnt let this drama be about divorce LOL so the moment she accepted, I was actually happy bcs it meant this inwoo guy was going away soon. he's so freaking annoying
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Blue (@mayhemf)
October 15, 2022 at 1:32 PM
I think there was very little time for anyone to act. She literally gave the wedding invite to her friends and everything happened too fast. Not sure if she even pondered over it with her friends. I think her girl friend did ask her some questions but YR looked so happy that her friend didn’t want to ruin anything for her. Sometimes you think people know what’s best for them.
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15 Melissa
October 15, 2022 at 8:57 AM
I love these all these comments, because they capture everything I was feeling about these characters. Thank you!
As someone who married relatively late, I really felt for Yeo-reum, the feeling that you are just not going to find someone, though it did seem her parents joy at the prospect, pushed her more than anything. I think the Mom genuinely misunderstood Yeo-reum's mixed feelings, so her joy wasn't of the type "I'm desperate for grandchildren" StilI I wish Yeo-reum had said something about her doubts to her Mom. Come to think of it, I didn't confide in my Mom either, but I had no doubt of my love and my fiance hadn't left me at a bus stop, ha! I think I definitely would have behaved like the friend, though--asked her are you sure, is it love, what about the other guy, etc.
As far as jae-Hoon he can act like a real jerk. But he does have the redeeming quality that he realizes every time how he failed or was inconsiderate. (I love the scene when he recalls how he blew it with Yeo-reum--he replays all his mistakes with her and imagines them differently). The problem is, when will he stop making that initial mistake? He is pretty old not to have learned yet!
I know I'm just repeating what everyone already said! I am enjoying this show, though.
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Toodlepip
October 15, 2022 at 11:02 AM
I agree with your comments about YRs parents pushing her into this in some ways. I think she may gave given more time to make her decision but felt pressure to please her parents.
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beffels
October 15, 2022 at 11:15 AM
I also felt that her parents were a major contributor to her decision. She was hesitant until they got really excited and made her try the ring on; and only seemed to get excited about the ideal herself as things snowballed along.
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16 Toodlepip
October 15, 2022 at 11:08 AM
I enjoyed these episodes. I think JH is in depression following the death of his father and stepped back from 'responsible adulthood' as part of that. He's found it easier to check out. He also is self aware enough to recognise that, which is one of the reasons he hasn't gone to YR.
The flashback to when he was a surgeon showed him being much more together in his past. I like him, and am interested to see how the writers develop his character.
I also find YR relatable. She has a wish list which includes marraige, and probably hopes rather than believes that she can pick up where she left off with IW. She took a risk which has not paid off.
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17 Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
October 15, 2022 at 11:45 AM
The thing that stuck with me this week is that flashback to 2019 (beginning of ep. 4) when exhausted neurosurgeon JH says nothing will stop him from taking a day off, but then YR calls and tells him about being left at the rest stop and he’s about to go rescue her, just before two burn/explosion victims come into the ER. JH has to choose which to treat first: an unrecognizable middle-aged man in bad condition or a teenage boy in slightly better but deteriorating condition. JH stares long and hard at the older man - does he recognize him? We don’t see which patient he operates on first - I’m guessing it’s the boy, and the man will turn out to have been his father, right?
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Toodlepip
October 15, 2022 at 12:24 PM
Ooh, I like where you're going with that one...
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Melissa
October 15, 2022 at 12:33 PM
Now that I think of it, I bet you are right! I just assumed the person he had been operating was his Dad, who then died that's why he was traumatized and had shaky hands. But I really hope you are right--that would show he has a long history of questioning his decisions, although the decision to save the boy in this case would have been the right one, unlike his later choices. (So even if this isn't the reveal later in the show, I will be imagining yours instead.)
I'll be really interested to see the "Kingdom of Love." If its anything like "the Bachelor" (God, I hate that show--sorry if anyone's a fan) he'll be having to make fake reality dating decisions throughout, when he really just wants to date YR!
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Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
October 15, 2022 at 12:39 PM
I am not looking forward to "Kingdom of Love" and am watching this despite that part of the show's premise. In real life, I generally dislike reality shows and LOATHE dating shows. I hope the "Kingdom" scenes are brief and show more of our leads' off-camera interactions than on-camera fakery.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
October 15, 2022 at 1:25 PM
I am not too keen either. But I think the value clash between Kang PD and YR will be an interesting watch. I am here for some girl bonding.
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18 ladynightshade wants her own ryu sunjae
October 15, 2022 at 12:04 PM
I really like that they quickly went through the engagement and cancelling of the wedding. I know most other shows would spend 5 whole episodes on it with the leads pining away for an unnecessarily long time. I hope In-woo is gone for good. Good riddance, I dislike that man with a burning passion. He was controlling, territorial and prideful from the start. That stunt he pulled with Jae-hoon by going to his home and telling him to leave was a masterclass in male insecurity and jealousy. You claim to love this woman so deeply that even moving entire continents didn’t diminish your feelings (a claim I find very dubious even without the appearance of that mysterious New York woman), yet cannot trust her enough to let her make choices in who she is friends with or who cohabitates with (not even that, Jae-hoon is literally her neighbour, not a roommate). This is not someone who views Yeo-reum as a partner, but simply a pretty object at his beck and call.
I’m both devastated and relieved for Yeo-reum. On one hand, I cannot imagine how publicly humiliating and sad it must be for her to cancel her dream wedding to her dream man at the last minute because of his awful behaviour (convinced that’s the reason), especially in an ageist and sexist society that already judges her for being an unmarried workaholic. However, this also means the worst is behind her and now she can pursue someone who truly values and loves her as she is… (hello, Siwon’s abs!).
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Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
October 15, 2022 at 12:11 PM
I would like to upvote all of this 117 times.
And hospital changing/break rooms provide such great opportunities for MLs to do some, uh, character exposition.
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ladynightshade wants her own ryu sunjae
October 15, 2022 at 12:21 PM
Exactly. Nothing does good character exposition for a ML like a change room or shower scene.
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Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
October 15, 2022 at 12:34 PM
An extended scene of the ML running in a clinging t-shirt can provide valuable insight into other aspects of his character, too.
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Melissa
October 15, 2022 at 2:13 PM
I just watched another show, Good Job, and so was able to compare the character played by Jung il Woo, episode 3, with that played by Si-won here, and I have to say Si-won is, ahem, a slightly more complex character. Both have a charismatic "personality" though!
beffels
October 15, 2022 at 12:23 PM
Yes, a great opportunity to learn more about the ML 😂🙊.
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ladynightshade wants her own ryu sunjae
October 15, 2022 at 12:14 PM
One last thing I forgot to add: I hate, hate, HATE it when people send flashy, extravagant gifts to a workplace. Once again, a masterclass in territorial and pushy behaviour. Dude, I thought you were going to give her space to let her decide? How the hell are you doing that if you keep love-bombing her in public in front of her coworkers?? This is why I hate overly public displays of affection, especially if you’re not even dating. I just puts so much pressure on the recipient to accept regardless of their actual wishes.
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beffels
October 15, 2022 at 12:24 PM
I hate that too. Whenever I see videos/scenes of public proposals, I’m just like ughhhhh how can the other person say no? It’s so unfair.
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hmwtx
October 17, 2022 at 10:58 AM
As someone who worked for over a decade in sports & entertainment venues (stadiums, mostly) - I can tell you it gets really, really awkward really, really fast when the surprised one doesn't want to accept the giant public proposal. It has happened, and every time it's really bad. You feel bad for the (usually) guy, but then again he did try to get a yes from his girl in front of 70,000 people they don't know without giving her a heads up, so yeah - i count it as making his own mess and having to deal with it. Yes, I laughed. Every time.
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
October 17, 2022 at 1:04 PM
Second hand embarrassment on steroids.😱😳
beffels
October 17, 2022 at 3:39 PM
I mean if you don’t know the person you want to marry well enough to know that they would hate a public proposal, you deserve to be turned down really. So embarrassing though, for both parties.
Blue (@mayhemf)
October 15, 2022 at 1:24 PM
Gosh I hated it. it’s her workplace. Come on. Show some respect. Clearly men don’t value a woman’s career or her workplace scenario. It was all about him.
Also I think it was a bit manipulative of him. He knew her. He knew she liked romantic gestures. He knew he can send gifts and make her happy or make her sway momentarily. This is why I need YR to go through this and realize her own value. To realise what she wants and what really makes her happy. Girl, you can buy your own shoes. It’s not a biggie.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
October 15, 2022 at 1:20 PM
I am glad Siwon abs got it’s due! And the polo Ralph Lauren boxer shorts 😅 fits him just fine. Ok I digress.
Agree to not seeing In Woo again. Like, ever.
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Kathykat
October 15, 2022 at 2:49 PM
I HATED the ex. I was shocked when she agreed to marry him after he said he didn't believe a man and a woman could be friends. Although I also did understand that here was the guy who she loved asking her to marry her and her parents were so happy about it and Siwon didn't seem ready to get married. But ugh. I totally agree with you about his behaviour.
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19 Kathykat
October 15, 2022 at 2:50 PM
I am just loving this show so much. I think it's so realistic about being a 37 year old woman and also a guy in a depression.
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20 Xococo
October 15, 2022 at 4:27 PM
I love everything about this drama. I came for the romance, but honestly the most enjoyable scenes have been the workplace ones. I want to see more of the FL and her work rival together. I love the FL has an awesome work ethic but isn’t this unrealistic superstar because of it, either.
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21 pohonphee
October 16, 2022 at 6:00 AM
I want to be like Jae-hoon when encounter rude question from stranger or anybody and want to shut them up: "I don't answer private question." PERIOD
Choi Siwon is so likeable, I can't hate his drama characters, but compare to this his character in Work Later, Drink Now is a hoot.
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22 hmwtx
October 17, 2022 at 10:04 AM
I guess I'm in the minority - I actually like the Jae Hoon character? lol
He is certainly not without flaws - but at least he is not manipulative or toxic like the other guy, who cannot understand why Yeo Reum has not been sitting around pining over him all this time...? And besides, flawless people are boring. He does need to work on a couple of personal issues to be reasonably ready for a relationship - but I give him points for realizing this about himself and not just overlooking it to start something that would be disastrous for both of them in the end. He means well, and he does truly care about Yeo Reum and her parents. Like so many before him in dramaland, he just has to get over his commitment issues and embrace the possibility of love with her. Which, based on how the show just fast-forwarded through her engagement and wedding cancellation with In Woo, is about to happen anyway.
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Reply1988 -❣️Mother Bean❣️
October 17, 2022 at 10:32 AM
I would say there are quite a few of us in his fan club so you are not alone.
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Elinor, Team Glasses team co-captain
October 17, 2022 at 10:47 AM
We may be in a minority here, but I really like JH. I appreciate seeing a character who makes mistakes based on misjudgments or outdated perceptions, but recognizes them quickly and corrects.
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ladynightshade wants her own ryu sunjae
October 19, 2022 at 6:12 PM
You are definitely not alone here. As someone who also struggles with indecision stemming from depression, I actually find Jae-hoon to be quite relatable, although I acknowledge that’s probably not healthy.
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hmwtx
October 19, 2022 at 7:06 PM
Not to give anything away on the new episodes... but I'm even more #teamJaeHoon than before, now.
His love language is "acts of service" and she needs that right now. Depression-induced insecurity and all. I suppose indecision is probably better than what I tend to do when depression flares, which is general recklessness and disregard of consequences.
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23 DHKatie
October 19, 2022 at 12:25 AM
I’m curious to see if there’s an in-drama explanation of why the wedding was so rushed. Like a makjang “he had to be married by age 40 to inherit his fortune and she was his only option for a speed wedding”. It would explain some pacing stuff that felt weird like why IW was lurking outside her house looking for opportunities, and why he proposed the second he saw an in. If it was just to get things out of the way to move on with the story I would have anticipated more time-skip action. But either way I’ll forgive the drama makers as I wanted it out of the way too.
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24 peppermints
October 19, 2022 at 1:24 PM
I am in love with this show.
I really like all the leads – they are very real, very human. I don't wanna see perfect people…I want to see something messy. Just like real life.
Honestly, it surprises me to see so many people say that Jae-hoon is immature. I am not getting that at all from him. He always gets serious when the situation demands it. Being a bit of a clown shouldn't be something one casts off with age. That's the charm and personality of some people.
I am also really glad the wedding subplot was dealt with so fast instead of it dragging on for 6 episodes. The beginning was slow for me but the last two episodes really picked up the pace. Now the "Kingdom of Hearts" stuff is also more grounded in all the relationships we know so far. I am hooked!
(Also Choi Siwon is exactly my type which doesn't hurt lol)
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25 javinne
October 20, 2022 at 11:36 AM
Although we are only on ep. 4 (Ok, i am already in the 6th, but i wont give spoilers) . I will update my review later... I am surprised by how realistic this show seems to be. I feel somehow i was expecting something more shallow, but it isn't. I like the fact that the friendship seems so real, the reactions also... they fit with our characters and the comedy is very sweet and subtle.
So far so good...
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26 KAddicted
November 4, 2022 at 11:11 PM
I guess my mind is in the gutter but if Jae-Hoon had opened the door to me bare-chested I'd be up there peeling his potatoes at every opportunity. Yeo-Reum seemed able to forget that sight pretty quickly but I'm sure I'm not the only one with it burned into her brain. 😈
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