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[Drama chat] Which drama do you wish didn’t exist?


It’s quite a statement to wish a drama straight out of its existence, but every now and then there really is a drama you wish never came to fruition. You read our responses in our recent Team Dramabeans staff AMA post — where we listed everything from Nevertheless to Melting Me Softly to Squid Game — and now it’s your turn!

Which drama do you wish didn’t exist?

 
Let the chatting begin!
 
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Have to appreciate the DB staff who chose a Melting Me Softly screencap to be the header here 👏👏.

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Ji Chang-wook has a number of dramas that shouldn't exist: Melting Me Softly, Backstreet Rookie, Lovestruck in the City.

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Yes and all 3 have made me scared of giving subsequent JCW dramas a try.

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I’m all Wookie burned by having sat through all eps of his latest full-aired drama: The Sound of Magic.

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That is on my list of to-be-watched but I haven't had the heart to press play. I guess that was a good decision?

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@miso2019 I liked The Sound of Magic, but I know I'm in a minority. I also generally liked Lovestruck, which apparently makes me a unicorn. But yeah, it's disappointing how many 'shouldn't exist' dramas he's in - enough to make me wary of him (or more likely his agency) specifically.

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As you know, I'm in agreement with you about Sound of Magic. Melting Me Softly was so obviously bad, sometimes something like Sound of Magic is worse.

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@miso2019 I think you made the right choice. For me, the show deals with mental illnesses in a very bizarre and inaccurate ways. And that was a major put-off for me. Apart from that, there are many issues with the story. I would have loved that I had skipped this one but alas, I didn’t. Perhaps it was the time I thought I was going to let go of my little hope for JCW’s redemption and it did its work.

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@elinor nah you aren’t alone. I personally like Lovestruck in the city so much. It has good story with solid script and packaging. JCW and KJW acting are whole new level there.

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@miso2019 I liked The sound of magic. (Well, most of it).

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But he is doing well in the actual drama: If you wish upon me... At least, among so many disastreous ones...

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Good to know. It's on my list and now I'm encouraged to try it out.

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Abyss, playful kiss, Tempted, Nevertheless.

I hated playful kiss and didn’t understand why people recommended it (very early kdrama days and internet recos). Lead was obnoxious and it was hard to watch the FL be treated so poorly and she was ok with it.

Abyss- what was that?

Tempted - goodness. They lost their plot very early on.

Nevertheless- wow. That shows ending. *flipped a few tables*

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Oh yes, please, can we consign Playful Kiss to oblivion? Do you know how long it took me to not unfairly hate Jung So Min? Because This Life Was My First. That long.

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Ah, yes, the Playful Kiss franchise in all its iterations that teaches little girls that domestic violence is a good thing.
Nailed it.

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Tempted & Nevertheless.
Hours of my life that I will never get back :')

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Am I the only one who doesn’t hate Playful Kiss? I mean I have a degree of bias as it was my first kdrama but I honestly don’t think it was that bad. I don’t think the hero behaves any worse than many other heroes that don’t get the same degree of scorn.

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I never realized so many people hate the Playful Kiss franchise until this post. Itazura na Kiss is my favorite manga, and I love the Taiwanese It Started with a Kiss and Japanese Mischievous Kiss: Love in Tokyo versions. The male lead was just the classic tsundere hero in every shojo manga.

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I actually didn’t like the Love in Tokyo version so much (for no real reason - I don’t find the actor who plays the ML super attractive which didn’t help) - I haven’t seen the Taiwanese one.

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I didn't really like the Korean version. But I did like the some other versions.

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I agree with you... I feel exactly the same. Because back then, and even back back the time from Playful kiss, (when i didnt even know Kdramas existed) Male leads were all a bunch of jerks, and nevertheless, people still love them, or remember those dramas with bilssfull admiration.
I dont get it.

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I liked Playful Kiss. It was entertaining and has a really nice cast of actors/actresses. If all the male (and female) characters in dramas need to be perfect boyfriend/girlfriend material all the time, it would get pretty boring to watch really quickly. In a more modern drama, Liberation Notes, the male character is interesting in part because he is imperfect and frankly, probably dangerous.

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I watched it when I was in eighth grade. At that age, I didn't know better and liked "cold" guys. I realize now that he was just mean lol. But it was one of my first dramas, and I loved it. I still love it for the memories it holds. But if watched it for the first time, at an older age, I may not have loved it as I did. To note though, I also watched BOF at that age, and could not finish it lol.

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Clearly, the ones that were already mentionned.

Otherwise, I dropped a lot of dramas, so I will mention only the ones I watched until the end.

The Emperor: Owner of the Mask : The most useless main leads
Do Do Sol Sol La la Sol : The worst ML ever written
Love Alarm 1 and 2 : it started the Song Kang's mania
Sisyphus: The Myth : it wasted the talent of their actors

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I forgot all about that Owner of the Mask drama. It was awful and has a lot of wasted potential. It relied to much on Yoo Seung Ho and Kim So Hyun as leads but had really poor storyline. They could not save that trainwreck.

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Love Alarm S2: I was looking forward to it only for me to not even finish as it got spoiled for me (the S2 leads lacked chemistry imho)

DDSSLLS: Hours of my life I would never get back :')))

Sisyphus: I watched it due to it being constantly talked about and I regret it sm (fr what was that ending)

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sisyphus and do do sol dol la la sol hurt me.

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Did you like them?

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LOL no. sisyphus was good for the first two episodes I think? and then it started getting ridiculous. I agree with you that it was wasted talent and potential. I was so excited about it at first and then it hurt me.

As for do do sol sol la la sol, I don't hate large age gaps and embraced the quirkiness in its entirety until that heinous ending of which we must not speak. The last few episodes hurt me so i pretend that that drama never happened.

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Pretty Noona
Alice
Alhambra (because the ending is frustrating)
Marry Me Mary (but because of @ndlessjoie I will cross this one out)

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Bride of Habaek

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Oh. Now, that’s a good (bad) one.

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I agree

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Butttttttttttt it was so much funnnnnnnn

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H O W

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Idk. I really enjoyed it when it was airing. I like the actors and it was fantasy. I know there are things to criticize like writing and acting and some bad CGI but it was fun for me.

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*puts @earthna in Special Club together with @carlybisek for her questionable love for Habaek*

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I loved it, too. We are a small club who appreciate it's weird, bad wonderfulness.

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Yes to Alice! I'm still trying to unsee the two episodes of that drama that I endured.

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You would have had a much more difficult time if you had stuck with it till the end. You may ask @leetennant for her opinion on it.

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I'll be writing a blog post on it once I've regained coherence.
If I invented time travel, the first thing I'd do is go back in time and stop that show from being made.

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🤣

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You saw only 2?? lucky you, i watch all and 2 yrs later, i am still angry, The annoying thing is I only watched because of my love for Hee sun.

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Another one that came to mind primarily because it was unbelievably boring: Soundtrack#1. I almost couldn’t believe the lackluster feeling I felt watching one of my fav actresses acting in this one.

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It's THE BEST. Some day my devotion will pay off and a new generation of watchers will love Marry Me Mary for the crazy ride it is.

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Maybe you should tell them it's one episode and just get them to watch the final 😛

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Yes, why wasting so many brain cells for the first 15 eps 😛

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I think you meant to say that the first 15 episodes were like a roller coaster of fun.

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By "rollercoaster" you of course mean "carousel" and by fun you mean "torture".
"Carousel of torture".

I mean, yes, of course!
"Rollercoaster of fun".

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But LT, Mugy deserves some love and perhaps we should just refrain from pointing this fact out to future viewers.

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So it gets a pity vote? 😏

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Then you miss all the crazy trope salad, so no. 😝

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🙄

And I didn’t just choose this emoji, I rolled my eyes irl, too.

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THE BEST! I still love it to pieces. You cannot sway me. 🤣

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It's interesting that Memories of Alhambra is mentioned here because of the ending. I know some people don't like it and while the ending might not be that good, it's still one of my favorite dramas.
But i understand how the ending could ruin the whole drama for someone.

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It is a really really really good and suspenseful drama that just punched me on the face upon seeing its ending. Poor Hyun Bin, he should have had a better destiny. For me, this is the best HB’s performance and should get a Baksaeng.

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I actually started marathoning Memories of Alhambra because of your comment. Just finished yesterday and still in the middle of reading the recaps lol. I was intrigued that by what you said about the ending. And turns out I loved it. I mean the ending could be better, but it’s not horrible? I hadn’t seen the appeal of Hyun Bin, even through Secret Garden and CLOY and never really like Park Shin-hye, so I just conveniently skipped Memories of Alhambra. It’s a marketing fail probably? I thought it will be a romance drama. I found a blog (https://bitchesoverdramas.com/category/memories-of-the-alhambra/) that pretty much explain the logic, extremely helpful. But yeah I’m glad I watched Memories of Alhambra. It’s unique. I really really like Hyun Bin here. This show is an eye opener. I pretty much think he’s in the same category as Song Joong-ki, that their good looks somehow glasses over their acting ability.

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I agree that HB shines very brightly there. But I just can’t believe you like the ending! 😭 It was really a WTF moment for me watching what Emma did to him. I can’t believe she did that!!!!!!!

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It’s probably due to the expectation I had prior to start watching. I expect it to be terrible, thought he was gonna die lol. At least he found peace? I even thought dying would probably be a better option for him rather than continue living miserably, he was on a suicide mission once already.

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Alhambra was so mean to viewers. I'm still salty over it. I warned my friend against it for this same reason.

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Warm and Cozy.

Ugh. More like bland and banal. It had all the markings for success: Hong Sisters, Yoo Yeon Seok, Kang Sora… yet how could they make these talented actors so unlikable?

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Warm and Cozy, which was neither warm nor cozy. Bin it!

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I've watched and finished every single Hong sisters drama except for Warm and Cozy, which I just couldn't finish. Its existence is ruining my streak unless I throw myself.

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It took me three years but I did it! And now I can scrub it from my memory and never think of it again.

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Which bean did you earn with this one obligation, shame or disappointment or was it the hat trick of all three?

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Lol I don’t know if I even counted it. I only finished watching it because I was watching with my sister who I believe actually ENJOYED it 🤯

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I am a Hong Sister's fan and I could not proceed for more than a couple of episodes. (That was my first show with Yoo Yeon Seok) so I avoided anything with him in it for long. :-D

Then I liked him first time in Hospital Playlist.

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Felt like the network needed a Hong Sisters' drama out of the blue, and which also promoted South Korea, so Warm and Cozy was the result.

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He Is Psychometric

The first 8 episodes were very good. Then the next 8 episodes were terrible.

I have probably watched far worse shows, or even dropped midway, but this one sticks with me and always springs to mind because I was watching the episodes cautiously one by one, by ep 8 I was sure of loving it, downloaded the rest and took it with me on a trip. I had no access to internet, nothing else to watch, and had to hate-watch it till the end.

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I could feel your pain just reading this. You must have been beyond disappointed and angry that you had to settle. The drop in mood must been worse than going over the cliff of doom.

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Exactly😂👌

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I could literally see you settling in and thinking ‘what is this’ watching episode 9 hoping it was just that episode that had gone off track but slowly accepting that it was going to be bad for the rest of the drama. I was crying with laughter reading that comment, thanks so much for sharing.

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Don't remind me of it! 😂😩 It was horrible!

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OMG! So true! I LOVED first 8 episodes and I watched 9th and partially watched 10th and dropped the whole thing.

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You were SO LUCKY!

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:-D :-D

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bruh really!? I loved that drama in its entirety

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Many people did. It had great reviews at the time. I'm usually rather weird 😄

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The Smile Has Left Your Eyes - really, really hated the ending. Felt I was set up.

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That was a great drama, I especially liked the ending.

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Ones I watched till the end:
Goodbye Mr Black - such promising leads and cast falls so flat, how and why did they bother,
Introverted Boss - terrible premise and FL actress just awful,
Jirisan - daft, and the resurrection of the ML was ludicrous.

Ones I watched at least 4 eps:
Abyss - so dumb and stupid,
Warm & Cozy - a snoozefest,
Heirs - so tiresome.

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I was so disappointed with INTROVERTED BOSS. The same writer as MARRIAGE, NOT DATING which is one of the great romcoms. How could so talented a writer mess things up so badly?

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holy Introverted Boss felt like a fever dream

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Ugh Goodbye Mr Black is so bad with that casting. I still can't believe it

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I totally agree about Introverted Boss, I had to force myself to finish that one, and I hated the FL the entire time. I may have missed a couple of details in the story (although there didn't actually seem to be that many details in that story...) because i was fast forwarding her scenes so I didn't have to watch her talk.

I also wasn't amazed by Abyss, but at least I could finish that one without using fast forward. Mostly.

I hated my way through Nevertheless, too, and Do Do Sol Sol... owes me many hours of my life back.

Others I was not impressed with include When the Camellia Blooms (snoozefest) and Something in the Rain/Pretty Noona - that one I kept watching just to see psycho-eomeoni in action. I love the actors in these, but this was not one of the best choices for any of them.

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Oh I liked Jirisan. For some reason, the show felt worm and I remember most of the positive scenes on the show. The ending could have been better. Still I like it.

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1. Wind and Cloud and Rain.
1. Royal Gambler.
2. Boys Before Flower, Heirs and co., and the dramas that followed the same male and female lead characterizations during that time of the year when such storylines made massive waves. I know how grateful I am to myself that I never had the avenue to watch them then and now.
3. Penthouse 3
4. Squid Game.
5. The Road : Tragedy of One.
6. Personal Taste.

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Unpopular opinion: Squid game was really disappointing & frustrating

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You need another?
I find it amusing when my friends who have never seen kdramas but only watched Squid Game tell me I'm missing a lot by not watching it. Me, a veteran kdramas viewer. I just laugh at them and their glaring ignorance as they could never understand how Squid Game wasn't it for me.

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Personal Taste!!! I watched that full (don't know what possessed me to)

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I loveeeee Personal Taste. Best Lee Minho drama for me lol

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I want to say Dr. Jin, but reading the recaps were really fun 🤷🏻‍♀️
Mama Fairy and the Woodcutter always stood out to me as offensively bad, whereas Melting Me Softly was comically bad, and hence, a little more tolerable (the JCW x Yoon Se-ah makeout sesh wasn't too bad either). I wouldn't go so far as to wish away Melting Me's existence. It has this unique role as a universally agreed bad drama.
Instead, I think I'll do MCW a favor and wish away Mama Fairy, Criminal Minds and Goodbye Mr Black from her filmography.

Honorable Mention: I Miss You

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Melting Me Softly is kind of like Habaek and About Time in that you have the Survivor's Club brought together by being in the tranches together and surviving the war*. And you're now bound by that experience in a way that brings you together.

*I did not in fact survive the war when it comes to Melty. I lost that war.

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And I was wisely, Switzerland.

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@HeadsNo2 was hilarious. Her recaps made Dr. Jin into a comedy. I miss her.

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It's hard for me to say that I wish a drama straight up didn't exist at all. What if it caused some kind of wrinkle in the universe and wiped out some of my favorite dramas also? And I think most dramas have some thing(s) about them that is(are) good, even if the drama as a whole is not.

That said, my least favorite drama I've ever watched is Bride of Habaek. If Nam Joo-hyuk's wardrobe stayed and the rest of that drama disappeared quietly, I don't think anyone would be that heartbroken. It was an interesting idea, but failed on almost every front. Most of the characters were pretty annoying, the writing wasn't really doing it for me, the story had the strangest pace ever, most of the time I couldn't tell if the leads were supposed to be into one another, and the ending felt forced. But I would totally wear that floral suit. Just saying.

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I understand why you would not like Bride of Habaek and I agree with most of your points. Particularly with Nam Joo Hyuk's wardrobe as Habaek and that mane of hair. Beautiful.
But the rest has a lot of room for improvement.

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The only drama I’ve really liked Nam Joo-Hyuk in is Weightlifting Fairy. It seemed to suit his personality the most. He just didn’t strike me as a math/computer genius in Start-Up and I thought he misplayed Baek Jin in 25/21- if he’d played the character as less typically earnest and with more signs of ambition and self-centeredness his character’s actions at the end may have been more understandable

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Ditto this.

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I haven’t watched Weightlifting and 25/21 but I did watch him in Radiant / Dazzling with Han Ji Min and he was fantastic. Don’t read the synopsis or reviews though, this is one show you have to go in blindly.

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Oh, and started bride of Habaek and couldn’t get through two episodes…

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Did you even make it to ep2? That was some achievement there. I saw the boar and I stopped watching.

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That scene with the boar attack was my first WTF moment as a Kdrama watcher. Hit pause and rubbed my eyes.
Admittedly, I hit play again and watched to the end but I ascribe that to my newbie watcher status at the time. It was quite a trope salad of mixed genres.

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*sends Alluvial_Fan to the survivor club*

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Love the phrase “trope salad” 👍

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That is about as far as I made it- what a waste of time

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LOL!

I hate myself a little bit for typing this, but I actually enjoyed Bride of Haebak. However, I would absolutely agree that it's Nam Joo-hyuk's worst performance/part and the writing is all over the place.

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I hate that enjoyed it too!!

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I loved the sets. I still want to live in her house.

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YES! How do people who don't have a lot of money still have such amazing houses in dramaland? The windows in that place still have my heart.

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I enjoyed enough things about it that I watched the whole thing. Generally, dramas don't have to be good for me to find them entertaining, and I was never bored. But when I look back on the whole thing, I think they missed the mark in most places, and I wish they had made some different decisions.

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I will have to politely disagree with this one because apart from the Boar in ep1, NJH and his fantasy wardrobe is also too fantasy for me I couldn’t help lol every time I saw him in his god costumes.

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I was the same 😂

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Oh I didn't mean his god costumes. They were a bit over the top and I don't have strong feelings about them either way. I meant after that other goddess gives him a bunch of clothes to wear and he is in a different suit in pretty much every scene after that. I've always been into suits, and his were beautifully androgenous and gorgeously patterned. It's still the drama wardrobe that I would want the most, out of all the ones I've seen on women or men.

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I hated Bride of Habaek, but I shipped Krystal Jung and Gong Myung's characters, so I only cared about their storyline.

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They were a great pairing, but I also found both of them pretty annoying at various points. They were much better together than individually, for me.

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I will not include the ones I dropped. So for recent dramas it is Do Do Sol Sol La La Sol (hate it), Arthdal Chronicles (so much wasted potential), and Luca (did not like it) for me.

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Oh Arthdal! Good shout. Criminal waste of talent, awful pacing, bizarre story and such dark lighting that we squinted at our screens for 16+ hours. :( My eyesight has never been the same…

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Should we sue the production crew for ruining our eyesight? 😇

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Oh, jeez! Arthdal 😖
I had managed to forget how insultingly awful that was.

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It was! It had such a great cast but horrible story

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Arthdal was truly alarmingly awful in so many ways, and as others have said, such a waste of soooo much talent. Can't believe they're actually making more of it.

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Season 2 is unnecessary imo.

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Yeah, sometimes you just need to cut your losses and run.

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Agree so I do not understand why they are even making one. If they want to spend money, they might as well fund a different drama with better story.

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Absolute Boyfriend could have explored so many interesting themes about authenticity, agency, and love; not only did it not, but it turned the FL into a weepy, passive mess at the mercy of boring cardboard villainy and tropes. It also squandered Yeo Jin-goo, which is a crime.
Do Do La La F F U should have been smothered in the cradle for the reasons others have mentioned (I have only seen moments of this one but he pretended to be dead? WTF?). It squandered Lee Jae-wook's first turn as ML, which is a FELONY.
Woori the Virgin was deeply stupid, cringey, demeaning, and worst of all, not funny.
Pretty Noona/Something in the Rain: no words, just HULK SMASH for this one.

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I already removed Woori the Virgin from my mind but that should also be included in my list.

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Absolute Boyfriend was only watchable because of Yeo Jingoo as Ken, and lots of people dropped before then. Which is why I really need to see him in a Bad Boy role!

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Pretty Noona/Something in the Rain was even more frustrating than Bride of Habaek because I kept expecting it to correct course all the way to the end.

Same with Do Do Sol. That was a betrayal.

Melty and Backstreet Rookie had bad written all over them, so I didn't watch. Arthdal, same.

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My Secret Romance - which DB staff is actually recommending in a recent post -- was a total waste of time. Good-looking cast, wooden acting, poor plot.

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I loathed every single part of Secret Romance, it was horribly regressive in every way.

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Yes! Pretty Noona is soooooo frustrating because I held that little hope that she would make better judgments as she aged. Alas…

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*joins the act of hulk smashing*

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'Do Do La La F F U' had me cackling HAHAHA I couldn't agree more!!!

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I read the weecaps of Woori the Virgin hoping it would be a wild, self aware, cracktastic ride, and it was for like a hot second before it tanked so so so hard. At least I never have to waste my time watching it now.

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Start-Up. I liked it, but the online vitriol spewed at the drama was appalling. It soured my watching experience and associated the show with negativity. I wish the drama existed before the Internet.

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Huh interesting, I watched it solo and didn’t lurk or participate in online discussions. I found out about the online vitriol way later lol
Good thing I stayed away tbh

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Oh, what vitriol?

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It seemed a lot of people were unhappy that Han Ji-pyeong didn’t end up with Dal-mi, which would be perfectly fine but it went a little excessive I think

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Oh wow

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There was a similar issue with Greasy Melo (Wok of Love) when it aired where a certain actor's fan base convinced themselves of something that was clearly not in the text and then got ENRAGED when their imaginary scenario never appeared on screen.

I still have the scars.

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Yuppp. Glad to see I’m not the only who thinks this way.

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I liked Start Up but I also didnt like the unnecessary online hate. The story was good as it was and understood why it was the way it is.

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So true. I loved that drama and enjoyed both leads, but thought the writing made it very clear from the start where Da-mi's heart lied. It wasn't the type of drama--*cough*Reply1988*cough*--where the writing is clearly designed to jerk viewers around until the very end as to who the FL would end up with. So the on-line vitriol took me by complete surprise. It's a shame because it's now impossible to think of that drama without remembering that vitriol rather than the story itself.

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Right, it was clear where Dalmi's heart lies so the online hate was uncalled for. It showed disrespect for the writer and everyone in that drama.

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The problem for me was that Dalmi’s feelings were manipulated by lies and nostalgia. She had idealised the imaginary Dosan and the namesake just slid in there without much effort and stayed there. I might be in the minority on this but I find Nam Joohyuk uninteresting and highly overrated. Suzy is not that much better. The captivating performances were by Kim Seonho and Kim Haesook.

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Ditto this. As the time passed and I watched it the second time (which made me feel much better because I tried to watch it objectively on the romance front), I concluded that my strong bias for JP over DS the first time was because 1) NDR played the young JP (NDR often plays the ML’s younger self); 2) NDR’s and KSH’s acting are consistent and believable; 3) KSH’s storyline is complex and he lived up to that by his acting and that outshone many characters in the story, the FL and ML included (his acting was on par with the actress who played halmeoni); and lastly, the writer did a good job at, though she was pretty obvious from the beginning whose heart Dal-mi chose), playing with viewers who Dal-mi was gonna choose by the end (eg, she told halmeoni she would choose the past Dosan over the present one, SML got his own confession scene and he nailed it, SML was more mature and many times acted in the best interest of ML and all involved).

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And I’d also like to mention the breaking point t that made me unable to see DS in a good light: his fight scene with JP after his teammate asked him to give them the hard truth what the problem was that they signed the acphiring contract. This was what I felt despite the fact that in the second rewatch I saw Dal-mi much compatible with DS than JP after his return (aka acquired maturity) from the US.

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I respect ur opinion on the story and the actors. What I didnt like was the unnecessary hate online and drama that ensued. Yes Dalmi may have been deceived at the beginning but both JP and DS was in on it. JP even instigated it. So it still leaves the question I still do not agree with the unnecessary hate online.

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I like the actors and NDR did a great job as young JP. Yes I agree that DS is compatible with Dalmi.

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@jillian: It is absurd to have these hate-filled campaigns. I agree with you on that score.

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I didn't watch Start Up because my mild annoyance with Suzy's inability to act has over time reached a full blown aversion to seeing her on screen. But as it unfolded, I was glad I didn't because the online commentary on it was... I'm trying to think of a word less than deranged but it was. It was deranged.

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I actually find often if I’m live watching and enjoying something I’m better off staying away from conversations about it especially if it’s controversial in any way; it can really ruin the experience. I felt the same with Start Up.

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Many a time I have purposefully avoided all online discussion about certain shows for this exact reason, also.

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But the show itself was really good and worth a watch. It is such a shame that the online comments affected you the way that they did.

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Yes, I agree with this even after my rewatch of it.

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As a part of the vitriol spewers I kind of feel a bit sad that it ruined your watching experience.

@linarrick to add to your response, it was more of the writers shoving Nam Do-san right in the faces of the viewers than HJP not ending up with Dal-mi. Also them shoving 15 years down the drain like it meant absolutely nothing. In retrospect, while it was cool that our FL was unwavering in her feelings, Nam Do-san rubbed what I knew right in my face. The best thing you could have done was recognize the fact that someone laid down the groundwork for you. HJP could have claimed to be Nam Do-san and Dal-mi would have fallen for him, but Nam Do-san was being an ass to the person who used his name as a penname that even made him know someone name Dal-mi knows about his existence. His consistent asshole vibes even when it was mostly unwarranted cost he and Dal-mi something at the end.

Had the writers done something about his 'stealing' HJP's groundwork even if it's one conversation, Nam Do-san wouldn't have come off as a parasitic opportunistic, and the 3-year separation they had wouldn't have occured if only he accepted that he began riding on HJP's thunder before he finally got Dal-mi to fall for his own thunder. Addressing the thunder riding would have gone a long way in touching his self-esteem issues because I saw how much it was eating away at Nam Do-san's psyche, and he would have taken HJP's help all the times when it mattered but he being feeling threatened by HJP even when HJP was just being HJP pissed me off more when it was clear he himself was the problem. Not everything is about marking territory, Nam Do-san. And that always on defence mode marking territory vibe was amongst the major reasons that ruined his character for me.
Even when he was able to at least be comfortable materially, not to HJP's level but at least way better then he was before, he still marked territory. Looking back as I write this I'll say that Nam Do-san never grew, even till the end. Growth is essential, and the writers didn't grow Do-san's psyche so he never measured up.

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Tbh I think it could've been avoided if they opted to remove the letters storyline and use smth else instead (to tie Ji-Pyeong & Dal-mi tgt) cuz it just ended up being a complete waste (I had a feeling when I started that the letters wont be of use towards the end) of time since the story relied heavily on the premise of the letters.

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I really don't care about people opinion. If I like or dislike something, they won't change my mind.

I think the opposition between the viewers was more than who Dal-Mi will choose but more about the fact that Ji-Pyeong was written as a ML with the introduction of his character.

But the big issue for me was the written of Dal-Mi... She was badly written.

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I didn’t feel like DM was badly written. After my second watch, I think the character is charismatic, has developments, and towards the end, is very career-focused. If her sister didn’t force her to beg the three guys to join her company as developers, I don’t think she would end up with DS. There was much misunderstanding between the two, and with constant intervention by JP, I think she might as well end up with JP. She is too career-focused at that point.

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DM didn't have any formation to be a CEO. She didn't really have any dream except winning against her sister. She was angry because her sister chose to leave with her mother. It's stupid, they shouldn't have to choose or to be judged for it n the first place.

She was incompetent during the whole drama, she could do it only because of DS's genie and JP's advices as a mentor. I'm pretty sure that no other CEO asked more than 100 questions to their mentor. The funniest thing is they didn't follow his advices, they give as much power to DS than DM, so for result, nobody really took DM seriously, neither she. DS took the decision to not lie in their presentation not her, when they got the contract DM was lost, they didn't tell her that JP was against the sell... Later? the twins had no regret to betray her (they didn't do it with her sister) and again she needed the help of DS to stop it.

Everybody can be a genius if they get 2 genius in their domain to help.

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I think I view her in a more positive light, though I acknowledge that many think this character is underdeveloped. It’s true she lacks many qualities to be a good and competent ceo, but I also think she has made many good decisions as a ceo. To follow Dosan’s decision to not lie about the accuracy of the program was also her decision as the team was split in to in that issue. The idea to sign the contract with 2STO was also her decision and she had a lawyer in her team review it before deciding so. She might have made some mistakes because of the lack of experience, but I think she has a very important quality of a ceo. I don’t think a ceo needs to be able to come up with everything himself or herself but to be able to acquire and use the resources efficiently to fulfill their vision is a vital quality of a ceo of which Dalmi possesses and she knows what she lacks and how to acquire what she doesn’t have.

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@mmmmm It would have been stupid to follow Dosan's decision after asking him in the first place. It was her decision to take as CEO. She brought porridge to Ji-Pyeong but didn't talk about the contract. It was completely stupid. If she was really the CEO, DS wouldn't have gone behind her back to talk to 2STO CEO neither. He did it alone without talking about it to the person who should know about it!

They got money by blackmailing her step-father! I mean the writer completely failed to show Dal-Mi's faculties as a CEO for me. She could do it only because she was lucky with her team and her mentor.

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I had no problem with neither Suzy nor DM as a character, or the lovelines.
But the CEO subject is a whole other matter. They purposefully didn't elaborate how the competition worked. In what universe do young people show up to a competition for start-ups and get picked as CEOs based on a few words? (Not to mention that it was completely unfair too because people of any age and experience could take part) A CEO, especially ones so young who have no experience, need to at least have some basic knowledge on what they are going to ceo, not walk around and randomly pick some dudes!!! That competition was so ridiculous and irrational and unfair that I never took the CEO part seriously.

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@kurama I respect your opinion and see that it seems we agree on some points but not others.

@midnight hmm you sound like a person who knows exactly what a ceo is like so I can’t ignore your comment. So in this case, DM as a ceo fails at her job miserably, the same opinion is also expressed by Kurama.

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@mmmmm no, I don't mean that DM fails at her job, I mean the show set her up in an impossible position.

Actually I think she did the best she could at her job with what she was given, but the show, the writers, the premise that started with a weird competition, set her up for easily being targeted as a failure by the viewers.

I liked how she approached and did her job, I just think the title of ceo and how it was given out made things very unreasonble throughout the story.

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Oh.. I see your point now and thanks for the clarification!

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I did not read any online discussions because I was hoping to catch it later. I liked a lot of work by the same writer but my brush with the first episode made me dislike FL. (Nothing against Suzy, I was okay with her in While you were sleeping). Dropped it like a hot potato.

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Missing Nine:
Had an interesting premise and started of pretty good but ummm yeah that ending…
Sheesh

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It was really good but when they moved off the island premise and got back to Korea it went off the rails from there

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I was curious to see if the ending was as bizarre as I remembered and this comment from SpaceyStacey summed it up perfectly

‘You want to be lazy and make Tae Ho a good guy, fine (but not really fine, cause he murdered like 5 people) but explain it in a manner that won't leave the viewers scratching their heads and wondering if everyone got a lobotomy before their weird paint party’.

🤣🤣🤣

(Missing 9 Ep 16 Recap Comment no. 5 From SpaceyStacey)

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I now want to read the Recap for it. (It was on my watchlist, because Jung Kyung Ho)

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Haha same I watched it for him too, alas even Jung Kyung-ho couldn’t save this trainwreck
Yep better to read the recaps than wasting your time watching it!

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Aye Aye Captain! :-D

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1. I'm Sorry I Love You
2. The K2
3. Reunited Worlds
4. That Man Oh Soo
5. Mama Fairy and the Woodcutter
6. Absolute Boyfriend
7. Oh My Lady
8. Love Alarm
9. Item
10. Jackpot
11. Jinxed at First
12. Ruler Master of the Mask
13. Melting Me Softly

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I mistook Royal Gambler for Jackpot. My utmost dislike for Jackpot almost ruined my like for Jeon Kwang-ryeol, and it didn't help that I went through great lengths to finally watch it only to be met with such an abysmal art.

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my GOD i couldn't stand The K2, it just consisted of me ff'wding thoughout almost all eps then just giving up entirely.

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Fox Bride Star/Where Stars Land

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I was tempted many times by its stunning stills but I keep hearing that it is bad.

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It's the ending, again. It was doing so bloody well till the last episode/s, where it committed one of the most spectacular thematic suicides I've ever seen.

Not comparable to something like DoDo imo, because that started to crack way earlier and dissolved into a (amusing for me) trainwreck, whereas FBS took its excellent thematic core, and the implication it'd deliver on that, and shot it in the face.

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I think that you nailed that one perfectly. My sentiments precisely. I am also still mad at DDSSLLS as well and I think you have that right as well.

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Objectively, Dodo is terrible, so I do not begrudge anyone for still being mad at it, but for some reason when it dissolved I really didn't feel much for it, even anger, and still don't to this day. In fact, if anything I felt a detached amusement at it being so awful, lol.
I was somehow spared that rage, which would normally inhabit me, and I can't really explain why. Perhaps it was being saved for another drama.

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I always thought the FBS writer was moseying along thing thinking she was writing a 20 episode drama and about episode 14 she realized that no this thing is over in 2. We got that mess of an ending.

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Nah there was definitely something more sinister going on there, than just that imo, especially since Lee Je Hoon didn't even appear in the finale reunion bit, and how drastically against the entire rest of the show the thematic shift was.

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I liked it. I just forgot the main story (the sci-fi part). But I liked the airport setting, Kim Kyung-Nam was adorable and I loved the second couple, the different friendships.

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It's why I can't say I don't want this drama to exist. Because I needed to see KKN in this kind of role 🥰

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You could watch all but about 20 minutes of it and enjoy it. But that ending...

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I would agree with those who have said that deleting a drama in its entirety from the vaults should be reserved for a few exceptional cases. There are plenty of examples where a drama failed because the story was bad, the acting was weak or there was a random change of pace.

There are plenty of examples where it went from good/ok to what was that/it really didn’t get back on track/what a waste of my time/why didn’t they end it at episode…?

Sometimes it’s a character that I really don’t like or a random side story that could be removed and the drama would be 100 times better.

Having said all the above I can not believe that no one has mentioned Why her🤨 So many of us hate watched it, so it seems that I am the only one who missed the memo to use The men in black memory wiping device 😂

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I think I didn't mention Why Her? because there are different factors to make a drama that I want it to not exist like the story, the direction, the acting. In Why Her? Seo Hyun-Jin and Heo Jun-Ho were really great. I liked their scenes together.

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I think it’s only because Why Her? is so recent. Give it a few more months and it would’ve been in everyone’s lists. It certainly would’ve been on mine. For now, I’m trying so hard to erase it from my memory that I won’t even mention it here.

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@DaebakGrits who hate-weecapped Why Her? was the first to mention it in the Team Dramabeans staff AMA post.

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If I name Why Her?, then I'll have to name all the dramas that pissed me despite it having a strong plot moving device or plot setting all because the romance was the weakest link. Another fresh reminder of something like Why Her? is Forecasting Love and Weather which had a strong fresh solid plot setting. I was this close to mentioning FLAW but I just had to give it its due honor.

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I think for me it was not just the random unnecessary romance that was wrong with Why her. The veteran actors were superb but there were so many things wrong that meant they could have and should have run away when they finished reading the script.

In Forecasting it was the second couple that ruined it because their existence had caused so much hurt but then they had the cheek of constantly moaning to their exes about how they were struggling as a couple😡
My consistent shouted at the screen phrase being ‘No one cares!’

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I did grow on the second lead couple as FLAW progressed despite them being douchebags in the beginning.
'Constantly moaning to their exes'. Oh no. They needed feedbacks ;)

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It was so bad as soon as I saw the male second lead actor in another drama I reacted and had to remind myself that it was another drama😂 so give him a chance to see if he had been typecast before assuming anything.

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For me it will be Oh my ladylord with Lee Min Ki. (I would never believe that I am saying this about any of HIS shows but ...)

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So many options. The possibilities for this list is endless, but I’ll go with five.

Alice
This should’ve been Joo-woon’s big post-military comeback. Instead all it did was make me wish sci-fi as a genre never existed. As sci-fi is my favourite genre, I don’t I need to emphasize my hatred more.

Playful Kiss
To this day I’m convinced the ML is an actual sociopath. I don’t understand AT ALL what the FL was supposed to see in him to turn stupid over him. Oh well, at least I got introduced to Jung So-min.

Backstreet Rookie
The inappropriate relationship and anti-blackness was bad enough, but having to explain to a concerning number of people on how and why anti-blackness and relationships with barely-legal young girls are bad, actually, just solidified my lifelong disgust for this filth.

The Heirs
An abomination. A manifestation of how we gave Kim Eun-sook too much power and we’re all worse off for it.

Start-Up
Odd choice, I know. But the drama was nowhere near good enough for the vitriol its fandom (particularly that of one specific actor - who I actually like) spewed every week. It honestly ruined any positive experience I could have salvaged. Or maybe this is just a sign I’m chronically online.

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‘Instead all it did was make me wish sci-fi as a genre never existed. As sci-fi is my favourite genre, I don’t I need to emphasize my hatred more.’ 🥺😱 Gosh, how bad does it have to be to ruin your favourite genre?!

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Alice is that bad. The OTP is so morally wrong.

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Think "incest romcom".
That's how bad.

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😮 Holy crap, I thought you were using that phrase figuratively and then I went and looked it up. Talk about two words that should never appear side by side - that’s just … I can’t even. How could this abomination have a 7.0 rating here? I mean, I know that’s low by DB standards, but good grief.

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They really thought they were going to make the next Dark 😭. Only problem is that Dark was actually well-written and didn’t turn incest into some cutesy romcom trope.

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@leetennant: The idea that anybody could recreate the brilliance of Dark at all is laughable. The sheer hubris is astounding. I would almost respect the ballsy-ness of it if Alice didn’t make me lose the will to live.

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@ladynightshade They may as well have written something that said, "People love this thing that I didn't understand so if we also make something with incest and time travel that nobody understands then it'll be a big hit!"

It's like those hacks who adapted GoT who neither knew nor cared where their story was going and eventually just padded with rape and torture to hide the fact they didn't know what they were doing.

The entitlement of it.

Dark was and is the best time travel show to ever be written. To throw something nonsensical together and pretend it can rival that - you're right, it's hubris.

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@leetennant: I just know the writer thought he was so clever for introducing incestuous time-travel antics to the kdrama sci-fi scene, thinking simply the presence of that will make people froth at the mouth and hail him a genius. Because that’s what we did for Dark! As if audiences are that stupid. Newsflash, some of us actually have the media literacy to understand why certain unsavoury/problematic elements have to exist in stories and it’s not for shock value. Dark did not have incest just because the writers thought it was cute. They were actually trying to say something (same goes for the A Song of Ice and Fire novels adapted into GoT, but the showrunners definitely did not get that lol).

Just…so much hubris to go around with these dudes.

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One of the times when live audience feedback might have been a good thing. I'm not sure what the writers thought they were showing on screen but I want to give them credit for not intending to do a cohabitation romcom between a man and his mother.

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Backstreet Rookie is the one drama where I wrote a post saying it should not exist. It should never have been greenlit as an adaptation based on that source text. And then when it did come to screen, it was racist to boot!

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I watched one ep and I didn't like it but I was super shocked to find out, as I followed the news about it, that it was racist and just downright disturbing??? How/who greenlit that???

Thats not all, the fact that it continued to air despite all that? goodness

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It got greenlit because they thought people don’t care about anti-blackness. And judging by the enthusiastic viewership it got domestically and internationally, they were right.

I remain disgusted by how popular it was to this day.

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Backstreet Rookie: I couldn't believe how many people enjoyed that racist, underage relationship promoting drama. Now if there's even a hint of anti-blackness, I won't even give the show my views. Looking at you, Sh**ting Stars.

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Smart decision. Most of Sh**ting Stars was fine, but the racism totally ruined the drama for me. I cannot in good conscience ever recommend it to anyone.

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Sisyphus the myth: Never I have seen the drama being very true to its title. By sticking till the end, we all become the Sisyphus.
Love featuring marriage and divorces: Even being makjang among makjangs, this drama was horrifyingly boring.
Doom: It never made any sense.
Monthly Magazine Home: It did not have any likeable character and it takes a lot to make Jung so min and Kim ji seok unlikeable.
Melancholia: What was the point of whole drama?
Now we are breaking up: Never seen more uncharismatic lead pair.
Jirisan: Waste of talent and gorgeous Jirisan.
Heirs: That annoying song - Love is the momenttttttttttttt!!
Well intended love: A billionaire blackmails a dying girl in need of bone marrow and turns out he arranged her fake diagnosis.
Tempted or great seducer: What a mess…
Was it love, forest, To All the Guys Who Loved Me, Oh my ladyloard, That man oh soo, Dark hole: What they were thinking?

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I think there's room for dramas to explore relationships that are damaging and wrong, as long as the focus is on how and why they're damaging and wrong. Such relationships do occur. I have no trust in drama writers to actually do that, though - has there even been one student/teacher romance that didn't try to redeem, rationalize, or soft-focus the relationship?

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Honestly, I used to think this too but over the years I've come to the opinion that the production values alone for a Korean drama particularly mean even the most dysfunctional relationship is going to be portrayed with pretty people, beautiful cinematography and a soaring OST so it often doesn't matter if the writers intend to examine it or even critique it. It's going to end up being seen as romantic in some way.
So whereas even 10 years ago, I was fine with watching television with exploitative or even abusive relationships I'm now much more jaded.

I won't watch anything with large age gaps or teacher/student or boss/employee if I can avoid them. The main reason is that they always portray the desire of the more powerful party as being normal and justifiable.

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Biscuit Teacher And Star Candy. Hate that show

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I just realized that I wiped this show from my memory, now it's all coming back.

The female lead was in love with her teacher when she was student and then she fell in love with her student. They were uncle and nephew (her teacher and student).

Talk about inappropriate relationships. I hate it so much.

I hope in future I will not spend one second of my life on show about student-teacher relationship.

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Hours of my life I would never get back

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But it could be the agency though, I’m not sure. But I hope his next project will be better.

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That's one possibility. I am still mad at the fact that Joo Won most recent projects (e.g., My Sassy Girl2, Alice, Carter) were so bad. Earlier in his careers he really chose very good projects (e.g., Ojakgyo Brothers, Bridal Mask, Yong Pal), and the internet suggests that these were his own choosing in oppose to his agency's ones mentioned above.

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This makes so much sense.

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I agree with those who listed Alice, Introverted Boss, and Black. But for me, it will always be That Winter, The Wind Blows for so many reasons:

--The awkward and poorly translated title
--The wooden FL unconvincingly playing blind
--The faux incest romantic plotline
--The overbearing and selfish stepmother
--The horrid scene where the ML slaps the FL because he thought she was taking a risk by walking near water on the beach
--The fact that those slaps were clearly intended to show us the ML was falling in love
--The additional fact that the ML expressed his burgeoning feelings by continuing to be a d*ck to the FL
--The cheesy and stupid "I can see again!" ending

The only good thing about this drama--and why I hesitate just a tad to want to erase it from existence--is Kim Boem. But even his considerable charms and talent do not save this drama from itself.

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I'm convinced they cast Kim Bum in bad dramas because they know no one will watch it otherwise.

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Can't agree more !!😂😂😂

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So many great picks above, so I'll add a few that I haven't yet seen named from the reader side:

Big
Uncontrollably Fond
Blood
Lucky Romance
Mirae's Choice
Was It Love?

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BIG OMG BIG!!!
I think that was my very first bad drama I ever watched when I was just starting out with kdramas and I was beyond pissed off and confused. like WTF was that??

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Blood sent me into such a rage, 16 completely wasted hours. It still makes me mad.

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I was wondering why nobody mentioned blood and was it love ?... I was fortunate enough drop both early but those were true waste of time

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I actually loved Blood.
It was so so so so terrible.
I binged it with a bottle of gin and got so much enjoyment from its brand of awful.
I was still laughing about it weeks later.

Lucky Romance, however.
Scarred for life.

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@jessi Mirae’s Choice AKA Marry Me if You Dare!!!!! It was bad but I was waiting for it to get better and I was so mad with the ending.

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Same! I stuck through till the end, and it never got better. I still have an irrational aversion to Lee Dong-gun's work because that show was my introduction to him. Truly a drama that shouldn't exist.

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😉 So here we go: Playful Kiss, Tempted, Big, Sisyphus the myth, Young gentleman and the Lady, The King: Eternal Monarch, The Heirs, Goodbye Mr. Black, My Lovely Girl. Also, Abyss, Do Do Sol Sol La la SolBride of Habaek, Woori the Virgin, Doom at your Service.

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So I am going to take this question extremely and unnecessarily seriously and tease out whether a drama is just bad or whether it should not exist.

It's probably expending too much time and energy, but if the question is whether a drama is just bad, well I have a list that could transverse the globe.

But that it should not exist, what does that mean? It's not just that it is bad - let's face it, bad dramas can often be loads of fun - but that the world itself would be a better place if it did not have this drama in it. Well now, that takes some thought.

Is a drama like Habaek just bad or does it need to be wiped from existence?

There are some dramas that at various points I have declared should never have been made. Ones that make the world lesser by their existence. But others, also, that have been influential so that their existence is a butterfly wing that flaps awful into the future.

So my list includes a selection of both these kinds of dramas. One that are genuinely offensive but also ones that are both offensive and influential in a negative way.

These are (and most have already been named I think):
1. The Mischievous Kiss franchise (including Playful Kiss)
2, Boys Over Flowers
3. Backstreet Rookie
4. Alice
5. Well Intended Love (yes this is Chinese but it got mentioned already and it's terrible) and all other domestic violence dramas, including the recent Jinxed at First Sight
and possibly
6. Melting Me Softly
and most controversially
7. Goblin

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I knew I could count on you, lol. I was looking for Goblin. I hated that drama so very very much.

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As an illustration of your butterfly wing point, if it were not for Backstreet Rookie (which I have never seen) I might not have discovered the Dramas Over Flowers podcast. And that name shows that the BOF legacy is so vast and complex as to defy analysis.

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Well if Backstreet Rookie led you to find DoF then that's a point in favour of its existence.

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I have never watched a drama that I think should not exist. That's why I qualified my Bride of Habaek answer. It is the worst drama I've ever seen, but I don't hate it, and I don't wish it away. I'm finding the justifications for peoples' answers much more interesting than the dramas they mention!

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I love Bride of Habaek, the whole story is indeed meh and silly but the love scene was warm, the way the deity fell for the doctor was beautifully shown. And the OST also nice.

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