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Forecasting Love and Weather: Episodes 13-14

And just like that, typhoon season is over, and our forecasters must contend with the challenge of dipping temperatures. But colder than the weather is the air between our many couples. How many are gonna make it by the end of this thing?

 
EPISODES 13-14 WEECAP

Before typhoon season ends, Ha-kyung and Shi-woo find themselves in the thick of it. While still at the typhoon center, their relationship is disappearing as quickly as Shi-woo’s eye patch, and they soon find themselves in a dangerous position. In order to get the most data they can for the best forecast, Ha-kyung and Shi-woo board a ship in the middle of the storm to get a weather sensor out there. This serves two purposes: to show us how hard the KMS people work to protect citizens, and to put our couple in each other’s arms (oops, those storm swells) —monly to uncouple in the end.

Ha-kyung and Shi-woo spend some time dancing around whether they’ll officially break up or not – spurred on by an argument and ultimatum I no longer understand or care about — and Ha-kyung eventually decides to pull the plug officially. Why did they break up? Who is more heartbroken? I don’t even know.

Back at HQ, things are a little more entertaining. Seok-ho accidentally sends Tae-kyung’s penguin illustration in lieu of a report. His mortification is palpable, but the whole team steps up to support him, and I’m actually finally warming up to this team.

The other bit of good humor, of course, is that they all knew about Ha-kyung and Shi-woo’s “secret” relationship and they swap stories on when they found out. Poor Dong-han is the only one that had no clue — he thinks everyone is gossiping about his potential divorce, which he blurts out. And speaking of blurting out, he also announces to the entire KMS cafeteria that Shi-woo and Director Jin are dating… so now everyone knows that they are in a relationship, but no one knows that it’s also ended.

Naturally it makes an uncomfortable thing into an almost unbearable thing, and we see Ha-kyung stress cleaning before things really blow up. Her mom finds a polaroid of Ha-kyung and Shi-woo together, and that puts them in even more of an awkward spot.

Even though Ha-kyung is busy closing the metaphorical door on her relationship by packing up Shi-woo’s stuff (why did he leave two hand towels, his laptop, a teal case, a camera, and his skincare regime behind?)(and can I have all of that, please?) — fate has other things in mind.

Alllll of our other couples are also on the fritz this week, and I either want to throw things at them, or just give up entirely. Dong-han asks his wife for a three-month grace period before she pursues the divorce, but she decides she can only give him two. Even though it’s clear as day that Bomi is so much like her father, and so interested in what he does for a living now, his wife refuses to be kind. She’s so unlikable at this point I’m not even trying to see things from her perspective.

Myung-joo (a.k.a. office den mother), on the other hand, has a hell of a wake up this week when her husband — who is supposed to be busy studying while she supports the family and cares for their kids — is found either sleeping or playing baseball with his friends. She’s quick to suggest divorce, but hopefully this dude can get himself back together because I was really on his side before.

Our final couple — Yoo-jin and Ki-joon — are also facing a major turning point. Ki-joon is really putting his all into healing his marriage, even getting on his knees in front of his wife, and putting in a lot of effort when they’re back in Seoul. Only problem is, their next chapter is more complicated than we first thought: Yoo-jin is pregnant, which gives us even more context to her disappointment with her new husband. We also get more of her backstory, and how she wanted to make a family of her own, since she felt like she no longer had one. Aww.

Unfortunately, Yoo-jin hints around to Ki-joon that an abortion is the better idea for them — colored by her fears of what will happen to her career, the clear bias at work (jerks!), and the less-than-desirable character of her husband. I can understand all of that, but I also wanted to reach into my screen and shake some sense into her. Girl, keep taking your iron supplements. Become a mother. This will heal more problems in your life and marriage than it creates, I promise. It’s literally what your heart has wanted all along; you just told us so.

With all these couples on the fritz, it’s a breath of fresh air to have our giggly and infatuated Penguin Couple, who are now not only official, but mere inches from getting caught in the act. Not that they have anything to hide. I’m sure Annoying Mom will be glad Seok-ho gets snatched by one of her daughters in the end.

As we head into the final week of the drama (finally!), there are a few narrative points that need to be tied up. Not only do all of the relationships mentioned above need to be tended to and resolved, but our main couple has to make a decision what to do with all their baggage (and their broken-up-but-fake-dating-at-the-office status). Will Shi-woo ever be willing to share his burdens? Will Ha-kyung be able to overcome her very relatable confidence crisis? I’m expecting (and hoping) they end up together by the end of this thing, because without them as a happy couple as our end game, the story really was about nothing, set to the backdrop of the weather.

 
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Great recap! It seems the if the show is truly Forecasting LOVE (NOT failure), then wrapping up all the the stormy relationships with a big rainbow is the only way I want to weather the final two episodes.

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I need a large Truck of Doom on the main couple relationship. That's all I need. Show can forecast love on the rest but not them.

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Yes it is better they stay apart because Si Woo doesn't deserve Ha Kyung 🙄🙄 So immature and thinking only about his burden (his dad) and the havoc it "might" bring into their relation rather than focusing and giving it all to their relationship🤦‍♀️

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Seems that Song Kang often plays a "toxic" lover or a "player." Was hoping this role would be an opportunity for him to play a decent guy.

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Episode 13 had me seething. Partly because of the way Ha Kyung seemingly brought Si Soo’s dad with her to “heal their relationship” (oh no, lady, you are too damn old not to know that was a hot stove), partly because of the utter lack of professionalism on behalf of BOTH Ha Kyung and the typhoon center director, and as a cherry on top just the total absurdity of risking everyone’s life going out on a boat during a storm only to ignore the finding (why?!) and issue an excessive forecast.

I can’t explain the whole Ha Kyung/typhoon director spat, it was that stupid. You don’t walk in swinging like that, you don’t put co-leaders on the spot, you don’t do ANY of it in front of underlings. Every single minute in the typhoon center had me seething because that’s just not how female bosses interact, at all, even in competing space. And ESPECIALLY since Ha Kyung was clearly not the boss there! At one point I yelled “WHAT are you DOING?!?” at the screen in frustration.

The only thing that helped as watching that boat plunge around as, in the interior, the occupants stood with their arms crossed. Enjoy the head wounds as you careen into sharp objects inside that ship, kids! And puke all over the place. When you’re on high seas like that, you cling on for dear life.

I really do hate this show more every single week. Never set a show in a weather center again, and keep this writer away from any professional context that’s meant to be taken seriously. It’s a penguin. Just say “is it public-facing? No? Then I’ll handle it, thanks.”

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i agree totally with you. especially the risking lives to gather all that data only to not use it. dont anyone in weather know u have to work smart not hard? if the priority is to save lives then they shud be able to decide that when they were discussing the scenarios.

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Ikr! They should have gone with the second scenario and ask the costal guards, fire services and other essential services to be on high alert instead issuing a warning for the entire public. It is utter nonsense. This is in complete contradiction to Ha Kyung's character were she wanted to give the best predictions to help the people, but all she did was waste tax payers money which was highlighted as a big concern in earlier episodes. Smh!

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Your rant about the behavior of two people in leadership positions is well taken. As often as I've wished for Kdrama occupations to branch out into the real world, I grow more disappointed in this show with every episode.
The writing team has done a good job highlighting the difficulties of being a working parent but lack experience in writing realistic professional behavior. Since dating a subordinate is the fundamental premise of the show, I guess I was expecting too much.
Trying to remain optimistic that FLAW will end on a believable note.

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Alluvial_Fan, I remember after the first couple episodes you expressing the hope (which I think many of us had), that this show would deal a little more substantially with the burdens of women in supervisorial positions in scientifically oriented occupations, as well as the interesting question of intuition vs. empirical observation in science. Now, I realize this is a k-drama, not an academic disquisition, so I wasn't expecting much. But still, I am disappointed that the easy narrative device of trauma caused by parents won out over other themes. As many of us know, parents are just too easy a target. I blame Freud.
And as usual thanks for the intelligent recap, @missvictrix. I would have loved to see you in a cameo being gifted the stuff Shi-Woo left behind!

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Sigh. One step forward and two steps back. Your observations are always spot on.
I had the great good fortune of a first-time adjunct teaching position in a liberal arts college. I was delivering the required "science" course to mostly theater majors, creative writing, fine arts, sculpture etc. etc majors. They hated science but I loved the arts so we met in the middle.
Sometimes I simply think that most Literature majors just don't have enough experience outside of the written page to sketch life in all its joys and sorrows.
But some do, thanks be.

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Yeah, but even Literature majors know how to behave professionally. Nonetheless I endorse everyone's criticism of the implausible scenarios, and I put it down to the lamentably limited FL. In the beginning, I understood her to be a cautious, damaged perfectionist. She always looks washed out and on the bitter side. But that one note has become unconvincing. No explanation is sufficient to believe in her character's actions, motivations and emotions. So now I'm also blaming the writing. The day is finished when a FL is so constrained by a poor sense of self that she lacks any real agency to sort out her life. On top of that, the day is finished when a FL is so blindingly unprofessional that she is constantly distracted by her personal life and in addition is so insensitive to her colleagues. Not a successful character imo

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I'd throw a fit had they broken up Penguin Couple - I love this description @missvictrix.

And yes, for once team two wasn't at the burning end of the first typhoon wave. Give them a break.

I haven't seen ep 14, but I sort of liked this amenable Hyang-rae in ep 13. We should have seen this side of you a long time ago, it's sweet.

Oh Myung-jo really needs to put her foot down and her husband need to become a bit responsible. Not only is she self sacrificing, I never expected that she'd also understand his mothers actions.

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Thank you, @missvictrix, for the recap. And now our couple is in a scandal but there will be more talk if they say they've broken up just as they learned that the two are dating! What a confusing sentence! Anyway, I don't know what happened to Shi-woo's father but I hope he leaves his son alone so Shi-woo can fix his life.

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I really don't understand Si Woo. He was the one who initiated the break up, yet to Ki Jun he says he got dumped.

He wanted a passionate relationship with no line separating work and personal life, yet he acts all righteous saying he couldn't bear other people talking bad about her. Can he not recall the incident of him texting Ha Kyung in the middle of a meeting to ask her on a soup date?

Si Woo must first recover from his own toxic relationship with his father either by disowning him or get a restraining order and then consider dating a person because he is ruining the peace of the person he is dating by thinking of "what if" scenarios and not putting any efforts into the relationship to make it stronger.

They should have made this a 12 episode drama and bill it as a slice of life because the problems of all other characters seem much more valid than the two leads.

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Pretty forgettable episodes, dragging out the tiresome break up. I was also laughing at the magic ship. It was rolling in turbulent seas, but inside the cabin all was calm and steady.

Lucky for Dong-han that his wife did not see him as the office oaf with the emotional range and insights of a clutz. He might not have been given even 2 months to prove himself.

Thank God for the comic relief of penguin couple. That table edge must have hurt!

Yoo-jin and Ki-joon have the more interesting and topical plotline here. I find Yoo-jin's selfish approach to life quite troublesome and it is biting her now. She gets married to a man she does not really know in the hope that she will be looked after. Decides to get pregnant (admittedly not on her own) to replace a family she thinks she does not have any more (nothing wrong there, but maybe discuss with the father first, he will be part of that family with all the responsibilities), then makes a U-turn when it looks as if having a child now might not be such a good idea after all. (Her boss definitely needs lessons against pregnancy discrimination of women at work).
Ki-joon on the other hand is much more protective of Ha-kyung than his wife when he berates Si-woon and fails spectacularly when given the news about the pregnancy, even if the time and place the news was delivered was possibly a bit awkward. All the good work of the last few days became undone in a moment, he has a talent for that.

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The ending I want:

Everyone is at the wedding of the PENGUIN COUPLE.

ML and FL are friends, but not dating. They really don't belong together. Everyone else gets a divorce (ok that's a bit drastic).

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lol :-)

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I guess I'll be the lone voice defending Dong-hon's wife because I don't find her unlikeable or difficult to sympathize with at all.

Her actions make sense to me. They're exactly what I would expect from someone who has spent years loving and being patient with someone who, time and again, made choices that hurt or disappointed her or her daughter. I'm not sure why it makes her unlikeable for her to now be holding firm against him coming into their lives, making them feel like they'll really be a family again, and then repeating his past behavior by leaving again.

Also, as I mentioned last week, it's not clear to me at all that Dong-han actually still loves his wife. He clearly doesn't want to be divorced, but in his pleading with his wife he never once says "I realized how much I still love and miss both of you and I want to prove that I can be trusted." And I think that's what his wife most wants to hear. I also never got the impression that he even really missed her while he was recently staying away from home. I saw some longing here and there for his daughter, but not his wife. They've truly grown apart and I'm not clear why, exactly, they should stay married.

As far as her being weary of his relationship with their daughter, that makes sense to me, too. She's trying to protecting her. If she going about it in a less than perfect way? Yes. But I understand the impulse.

Yoo-jin and Ki-joon have never interested me, and I think it's because we never got to see why, how, and when they fell in love. The story started with them cheating on their respective partners and then, suddenly, they're married. I could see the attraction between them, but it was hard to like either one of them and understand what drew them together other than that attraction and, in Yoo-jin's case, a desire for a family of her own. Now that she's pregnant I know it's a foregone conclusion that they'll stay together and have the child, but I wish the writing had given me more reasons to believe this is what's best for everyone and that these two belong together.

As for our lead couple, I have no idea why they're upset at each other and broken up. Their conflict at this point is completely contrived.

I still love penguin couple, though!

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The problem of the leads is believable- Her insecurity and also his (because of his father). His is even more believable because of what he received from his father- not so much a sudden trauma but a long drawn-out torture as a child.

And I am actually with you about Dong-han's wife. Her anger is not just justified but very deep seated- even to the point of being a kind of mental illness. I am not sure that simply hearing those words from her husband would be enough because the cause of her anger (we are way past just resentment) is a long standing truth: Dong-han really did blow off his family for a long time, and simply because he got too comfortable being away and avoiding the annoyances that he otherwise would have faced. Actions really do speak louder than words and his actions really did say I Do Not Care About You Or My Daughter. After years of getting that message loud and clear it would have been insanity for his wife NOT to feel anger- and the longer it went on the deeper it got. In real life this situation is not fixable by any means and a divorce is the only thing that can bring relief to the wife. I do not worry about Dong-han so much- because in a sense he divorced her emotionally seven years ago when he had the professional option of coming home but did not take that path.

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One point that keeps me from disliking Dong-han or even his wife for that matter, is that the korean culture has long accepted family separation in order to improve their family's earnings by working overseas, or to give their children an opportunity to study in another country and learn a language which will increase their career prospects when they come home. Usually it is the Dad who stays behind, (often referred to in Korea as the 'Goose Dad') usually appearing in K-Dramas as a lonely workhorse, living in a small dormitory to send support money to their family abroad. We are friends with a korean family of two kids plus a Mom that we met when the little boy and girl were in grade two. They would go home to Korea once every summer to see their father. When the Goose Dad finally left his job and moved here, the eldest son was in Grade 11. This family spent 9 years apart in order to give their kids the best education they could manage at a big personal sacrifice for both of them. And now, four years later, they are all very happy here and fluent in English, but not certain they will stay here because they miss their elder families back in Korea. Now sometimes this seperation has the wife stay behind if she is the higher wage earner, but generally it's the Dad. Knowing this, I can imagine that much of what we watch between Dong-han and his wife has been dealt with often by many Goose parents, so it's quite a valid topic for the drama. Dong Han's move to the country as chief of the Weather station likely improved their family living conditions a lot, otherwise he wouldn't have left. The big problem for any couple in this situation would be how to keep the lines of communication open between one parent that has been sucked into another new way of living while the other shrinks their lifestyle to live more cheaply, and waits in place, always hoping for their family's news or phone calls...something that often fades as young children turn into teens. I think it's a challenge that both parents hopefully should share...but clearly Dong-han and his wife didn't keep up their share of the commitment or communication. She felt hurt she was left with the home and bringing up their girl, while his phone calls home would likely always underscore to him how unimportant he was becoming in their busy lives...except to send money. And so their relationship devolved. I was amazed when our friends' father made the decision to leave Korea. He wanted them to come home but they wanted to graduate from here. By then he was too lonely to stay separated from them anymore. It was gratifying to see how well they blended together into one unit again. I'm hoping Dong-han and his family will do the same.

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Thanks for the wee-cap.

PENGUIN COUPLE is adorable.

Is it possible that Ki-jun will finally grow up? I sure hope so. Yoo-jin has been through enough- and she deserves better than she has had from either of our two male leads.

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I forgot to add: Whatever the doctor found when examining Dear Old Dad- I hope it is fatal and rapid.

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What are the odds that is cancer?
Confess it's a bit of a cop out making Dad sick now because it would have been intresting seeing him try to overcome this and fight for his relationship with Ha-kyung or move on if he can't give her more than that rather than having the problem removed...

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This drama is not getting better.

There were so many unprofessionnal moments. By wanting to make the weather so important in the story with metaphores, the writer always forces some extrem situations that don't work : the boat, the explosion, etc. They should have focused more about the characters working together, talking, having simple moments together like a real office romance, than putting them in danger for nothing.

For the couples, except the Penguin one, they were pretty disapointing. The main ones should just break up and live their own life. The old ones should really talk.

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BTW can anyone tell me if it's the done thing to go out in a ship into the middle of a typhoon (or cyclone)? Is this typical heroism to be expected of weather people?

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OK, even though I live in Ireland where we are obsessed with the weather, I'm done with the meteorological metaphors being shoehorned in to fit the narrative.
Also, have to agree with recap, why did they break up? Do they know themselves? Do I care anymore?
Thank goodness for Penguin Couple.

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Snooze fest + utter disappointment in the writing. As @missvictrix said I am not even sure I understand (or care about) why they broke up in the first place. The conflict is so forced and non-existant. I am particularly disappointed in the writing of the FL. Episode 13 was just really bad. Nothing made sense from the apparent tension between the two female directors, both of them being so unprofessional (especially Ha-Kyung, talking about the personal lives of her colleagues like that, that was so odd. And is it that much of a big deal to have a penguin flashed on the screen for 5 minutes??), Ha-kyung 's decision to go with the extreme weather forecast (pure non-sense, I could not find an ouce of logic in that decision), lines from her personal and professional lives blurred....and the Mom!! All of this strayed so far away from what I thought this would be when I first started. I am so disappointed in the portrayal of the female lead. I dnt think I have been that disappointed in a drama for a good while in the 10 years I have been a kdrama fan. Maybe because I believed PMY had the ability to pull of any role in rom-com, but this is definitely not it.

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I'm still trying to understand how she could compare the wounds the typhoon center members had by working with the divorce of her employee? She put workers in danger by sending probes but she didn't follow the result... She decided to make an announce about the fact they broke up without talking to Shi-Woo first and he thought protecting her by lying... I mean everything is such a mess.

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It's the first time I am watching a drama with Park Min young that is soooooo so, but soo boring! And yes, I have to agree with many beanies: they don't have much of chemistry. Their love seems so forced, it is a bore.
Pity, because she is great actress. For me, it is the first time watching Song Kang and although he is cute, he doesn't get me yet.

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"We also get more of her backstory, and how she wanted to make a family of her own, since she felt like she no longer had one. Aww."

Unimpressed. She cheated on his previous boyfriend with someone that was in a 10 year relationship and was about to marry, just because he was the one that proposed to marry her.

"Unfortunately, Yoo-jin hints around to Ki-joon that an abortion is the better idea for them — colored by her fears of what will happen to her career, the clear bias at work (jerks!), and the less-than-desirable character of her husband. I can understand all of that, but I also wanted to reach into my screen and shake some sense into her. Girl, keep taking your iron supplements. Become a mother. This will heal more problems in your life and marriage than it creates, I promise. It’s literally what your heart has wanted all along; you just told us so."

I don't think I can imagine anything more repulsive than the two of them reproducing. In any case, I think this is all hogwash. He is a man-child unfit to be a parent (or even a lover, considering how he treated his last ex). Then again, that's what marrying the first person that proposes to you, despite knowing that they are willing to two time someone they had known for a decade, gets you. Filth that deserves each other. I think that if there is anything I agree with is that she most definitely *shouldn't* bring a child into the world only because she want one. Are they in a position to handle this? No, they are a mess, and a kid added to the situation won't make hem more stable in any imaginable world.

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I mean, one of the most ridiculous notions was her telling her husband that she liked him because he was the first/only person willing to marry her. Like, she had to choose someone in a 10 years relationship that was about to marry someone else. She could not break up and look for someone unattached that also wanted to marry. She had to choose the kind of person that would cheat on his girlfriend of ten years in their own home, in their own bed (as he absurdly reminds her, not realizing how bad it makes him look).

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" colored by her fears of what will happen to her career, the clear bias at work (jerks!), and the less-than-desirable character of her husband. "

All things considered, her husband was someone that was willing to sleep with his mistress in the house and on the bed he shared with his partner of a decade, who he was about to marry. Having sex in front of said partner, I might add. Despite having the choice to call of the wedding and leave (like he then did). This is what she knew he was capable of at the time (not that she had any right to question him, given that she was the same, though of course the show basically takes mostly him to task, while she does not acknowledge, apologize for or even seem to feel guilt about her own actions... again, she did not part amicably, despite this being fully within her powers, she cheated on her long time partner and is apparently completely unrepentant about this -mistreating him instead, just because he had a different point of view that he was always upfront about... she should have left when she understood he would not marry her, certainly before sleeping with a man in a decade long relationship with a woman he was planning to marry, and frankly, she should have reconsidered marrying him because he was the first one to propose to her as well-).

This is all to say that she should not really be surprised if he treats her this way, or does to her in the future what he and her were willing to do to his decade long partner. This is the kind of person she knew he was: someone that would betray their long term partner so horrifically and disgustingly (apparently not realizing what he is saying when he keeps reminding her).

On a more general note vis a vis the career thing, it's pretty useless to make a ham fisted attempt at social criticism, when you have turned the powerful FL's character from a self assured, no bs woman in the first episodes, to someone with no self respect, that would self gaslight. The solution to cat calling is not to tell the victim to dress more conservatively. Whether The dress is appropriate is wholly besides the point. Enter FL and the man-child with bruised male ego that betrayed her physically/emotionally/financially, stalked her, pretended she continued to help him with his own job while gaslighting her, etc. (same for ML and his gf or father... they are not the problem, those abusing or betraying them are).

To be clear, not being perfect != you don't deserve to be loved. Unhappy != horrific betrayal/abuse != parting amicably. She paid for most of their stuff, he had a problem with her career taking up time (though she apologized), but we know how he thinks his male ego is more important than his wife's career, and how after having sex in front of his long time partner with his mistress -who was in a relationship with another guy-, in their own home and bed, he dares to be jealous of his wife having lived with someone else or his ex-gf dating someone.

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Instead of her holding her line and cutting the guy out of her life, as she should have, she has kind conversations with the guy, morally evading and equivocating, bringing the conversation to their relationship in general and their unsuitability, or her flaws (flaws? He couldn't even do his job without her, and financially speaking they didn't contribute 50/50). As above, this is all besides the point. The point being whether she thinks she deserved being hurt/humiliated and the man-child with bruised male ego that betrayed her physically/emotionally/financially, stalked her, pretended she continued to help him with his own job while gaslighting her, etc. (same for ML and his gf or father... they are not the problem, those abusing or betraying them are). Not being perfect != you don't deserve to be loved. Unhappy != horrific betrayal/abuse != parting amicably.

She was a strong female lead. She was hurt horrifically (remember first chapters). It affected her later relationships, even. And now she treats this as water under the bridge, a minor inconvenience. Not believable. An injustice towards those that always treated her well, and towards herself. No girl, you didn't deserve this, you deserved better. You don't have to deal with the psychodrama. And actually helping your betrayers is just crazy lack of self respect. Not to mention an insult to the viewer's intelligence.

But yes, the female cheater in the show gets about as much female solidarity as when she cheated with another woman's almost-husband and, after humiliating her, tried to convince him to take her house away. Or was willing to tell her ex-boyfriend that she regretted living with him, agreeing with her husband that it would be an impossible shame for a man to put up with this (a crazy concept), and telling that to someone you cheated on. Thankfully, probably thanks to her ex lover as well, the fact that her husband was being an unfair jealous p***k penetrated into her skull. Not that she deserved anything better: she got him by wrecking the lives of her boyfriend and another woman, she knew he was the kind of self absorbed person that was willing to commit such a horrifying betrayal (despite it being unnecessary, them both having decided to leave their significant others). She has exactly what she should have expected.

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I find the notion that they would calmly discuss such personal matters with people that had just recently utterly betrayed their trust ludicrous and unrealistic. Furthermore, she walked in when he was having sex with his mistress in their own home and bed, for what she knows she might have had front row seats on the baby's conception. This thing traumatized and humiliated her so much that she had trust issues in her next relationship (curiously, ML's doesn't seem to have them, despite having been through the same betrayal, but then again (contrary to her ex) his ex never addresses it, or gets taken to task for it (not even by FL whose 10 year bf she slept with in front of her), on shows any guilt or remorse. None of them show any remorse or apologizes for the damage caused to their lover's long term partners, despite having casually and pointlessly hurt them when they had never done anything wrong to them (I feel the idea of him, or her, calmly sitting down and talking with the man/woman who cuckolded them ludicrous).

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I still can't help but find infuriating the way they make the exes interact with their victims. They wounded them emotionally, to the point where their relationships were affected. And now they talk about very intimate topics together. The second female lead is the most problematic, since I liked her so, so much when she put her ex in her place when he tried to mess with her regarding the house, and now she is treating something that wrecked her whole life and impacted her following relationship as if it was a mere inconvenience. They are not respecting the severity and delicateness of their trauma. This is bad writing. She flagellates herself and rationalizes/lies to herself about the past, as if she had no self esteem, no self respect and was in denial.

Her ex's whole problem boiled down to her having a career. So she had to attend to some unavoidable tasks for work when they were working on the house or had to meet his classmates. She warned in advance when she knew, and apologized. This would have *clearly* not been a problem for him if the roles were reversed (see above paragraphs). Despite that, they become chummy, praises him (his current wife disagrees with him being a good husband and father, and for objectively good reasons) and self flagellate (really, being a perfectionist earned her the trauma he inflicted on her? As if he didn't have his defects -see above-, plus the cheating, which kind of overshadows everything: this is like saying that Hannibal Lecter is a good person, except for his tendency to eat your liver, or that a wife beating drunk started out good and fixed the sink... yes, but the physical abuse is kinda of the dominant factor her (emotional in her case): a wife beating drunk with a sob story is still a wife beating drunk. In general, I didn't like how emotionally traumatic events that had life altering (wrecking) consequences on their lives are suddenly brushed aside and minimized as minor inconveniences, when they had concrete impacts on their successive relationships. Her walking in on her husband having sex with his mistress, his father's life long abuse... "I am sorry" and it becomes water under the bridge? No, it's not realistic, it insults the viewer's intelligence. Furthermore, getting past trauma does not mean lying to yourself about the life altering impact and severity of the emotional wound you suffered. Nor does it does it mean trusting or wanting back in your life the people that victimized you (why would they want them in their lives in the first place?). This is poor writing that did not respect or treat seriously their trauma.

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I mean, the ex gf does not even feel guilt, regrets, apologizes or even acknowledge her cheating. On the other side, we have FL that might just as well have been present at the moment of her ex bf's kid's conception, and absurdly self flagellates. These people shouldn't be having conversations about such intimate subjects with people that abused their unconditional trust without a second thought, let alone console/try to help their exes' relationship. It's simply does not make any sense, and makes it impossible for me to empathize with them.

As for the cheating ex gf wanting a family, technically speaking her former boyfriend was not against a committed long term relationship either. He just didn't want to marry. I don't really think that her having that as a goal, rather than a natural byproduct of a good relationship, makes sense, and remember that we are in a situation where she chose the first (only?) person that offered to marry her (despite him being in a 10 year long relationship with another woman, and being the kind of person that would betray someone he was about to marry in their own home and on their own bed).

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