[Drama Chat] What made The Red Sleeve Cuff such a hit?
by DB Staff
If, while you’re reading this, you hear the sound of weeping (and are perhaps adding to it), it’s because we’re also sad about missing the boat on this drama. But rather than cry over spilled milk (or let it explode in your face a la Start-Up), let’s talk about that special spark that The Red Sleeve Cuff had.
In a drama season that was full of sageuk, what made The Red Sleeve Cuff stand out? There were certainly other dramas in the same airing cycle that had higher buzz or bigger names, but something made The Red Sleeve Cuff pop, going from 5% ratings for its premiere week, to not only an extension, but a whopping 17% for its final episodes.
Were you around from the beginning, or did you ride the Sleeve wave a little later on in its run? What pulled you in? What pulled you out?
What made The Red Sleeve Cuff such a hit?
Let the chatting begin!
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26 sirena
January 31, 2022 at 11:30 AM
I was just telling my sister that I could never re-watch this drama because the ending killed me. I felt for Yi San and Se-young because they were two people in love who could not freely express their love because of societal expectations as well as courtly hierarchy. Also, Yi san threatening Se-young with rape made it even harder to support the "relationship." In the end, the one who suffered was Se-young because she was forced into a life that she never wanted.
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27 Tikky
January 31, 2022 at 12:05 PM
Everything just came together. The entire cast was pretty good that even the supporting characters added a lot of value, the production was top notch, and the direction brought the pieces together. Even if there were plot holes or weird story lines like the Court Lady fairy mafia, overall it's still a solid and compelling drama. History spoiled the general plot, but I was still hooked because I liked watching things unfold and the actors were enjoyable to watch.
It was always going to be a tragic love story between Yi San and Deok-im, but I think it was clever to keep aspects of their story open ended. We're still abuzz a month later aren't we? I suppose that's always the thing about epic love stories, they're imperfect and unfulfilled. I read that historically Yi San's epitaph for Ui-bin was quite sensational...
I also personally like that they've written complex characters, which the cast really pulled off. Take Yi San for example, just with his relationship with his grandfather alone he must have felt such admiration, resentment, fear, and pressure and we are shown such rich scenes between them. Yi San x Hong Deok-ro, Yi San x love for his dad, Yi San x Queen Dowager - it's exhausting to be Yi San. Even with our ambitious go-getter Hong Deok-ro, he's vile but he still remains to be a loving brother who shared good things about Deok-im to his sister.
The characters all teeter between gray areas, trying to survive without losing themselves and what they value. They are caught in desperate situations, they try to make good decisions, they make terrible tradeoffs, etc. However this how life can be (albeit not in the middle of immense palaces and powerful people) even now. :)
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28 MMkitty
January 31, 2022 at 12:23 PM
I am always a silent lurker for years.
I registered an account to discuss it, that's how much how like about this drama.
Today is the anniversary our military coup took place . Yeah it has been one year.
Admist Coup and Covid, my mind has always been in unstable condition ( lost my job, constant worry of being arrested ).
Entertainment has been a pleasant distraction from reality when you still need to lay low and have wifi in your home . ( cause Opiates will be bad for me and I can't consult psychiatrists for emotional trauma because some of my doctor friends has been taken away for being against the Coup .)
Well you can guess, I am also a doctor.
Well forget about Real life drama.
Lets talk about The Red Sleeve .
My personal fav genres include Sageuks
and I tried almost every sageuks this year .
River where the moon rises , Red sky, The King's Affection and of course, The Red sleeve.
Truth to be told, I had the least interest in Red Sleeve cause it is about Yisan ( I thought nothing could surpass my personal fav 2007 Yi San )
and the writer is the one who wrote Ruler.
And I had never watched Junho before and he is an idol.
The three sageuks I watched failed to meet my expectations for different reasons . ( Uninteresting plot, Nonsense plot and KA taking too long to conclude the finale )
I lost interest half way.
There the Red Sleeve came and I tried it out of boredom and I was pleasantly surprised.
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Personally , my fav things about RS
1. It is like a poem or painting which can be interpreted into different meanings by each viewer
2. The directing and cinematography
Director Jung Ji In name will be the one I couldn't forget for the rest of my life.
The minute details, the poetic presentation ( water ,flowers ,calligraphy, shoes ) and Rehearsals.
3. Junho's Unbelievable Acting Power
Before Junho, Yoo Ah In was my fav sageuk actor for portraying Yi Bang Won in Six flying Dragons .
Junho can portray each and every emotion of Jeongjo/YiSan's perfectly from his younger days to old age where RS version of YiSan is the more dramatic one compared to 2007 YiSan.
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MMkitty
January 31, 2022 at 7:52 PM
My take is that Red sleeve is not a romance drama , but the story telling of fated tragic union of two people who are clearly in love with each other ,yet can't embrace the whole of each other fully due to social class differences.
The Red Sleeve novel has been told from Deok Im's Point of View ,while the Drama version explores Yi San 's inner feelings more.
The Novel and Drama combination makes the story as a whole.
No wonder Koreans who know their own history well and read the Novel before , enjoyed the drama to the fullest cause the drama was presented beautifully.
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cozybooks
February 7, 2022 at 5:57 PM
YES. I was so sad when she told him to just ignore her in their next life, but it made so much sense to me since she had sacrificed so much for him during her lifetime.
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MMkitty
January 31, 2022 at 8:17 PM
Yi San's Role in Red Sleeve can be separated in Two :
One as dutiful grandson , son and groomed to become a wise and capable ruler.
The Other as a lover to his beloved Seong UiBin
San 's life has been tragic from the start , but he endured it all because
he is a dutiful and loyal offspring of the Royal Family and he does have an ambition to become a wise ruler and help his People.
But on the way to his kingship, he faced many difficulties and met a woman who is loyal to him ,may have feelings for him and cares him as a human being rather than the precious Royal heir.
Despite falling in love , San chose his life as a ruler over his lover role from the start.
That's why their love ended as the tragic one because as someone from below said, both were chained to their respective roles and his role as a King had never allowed him to love her as an equal in spite of her sacrifices.
The relationship where one needs to sacrifice more than the other, can never be healthy .
The one who needs to endure more , will have resentment towards the other half later and this is the start of the doomed relationship.
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MMkitty
January 31, 2022 at 8:58 PM
For Deok Im , I will describe her as a woman who is too intelligent for 18th century.
In Novel, she is the one who understands the burden of being a King's concubine ( depending on King's favorism, her freedom and status wont belong to her anymore but to the Royal Family , life as a mistress ) since she was young, while other court maids dream of accepting the King's Grace.
But the Fate didn't accept her will and let her meet the famous Goblin Prince, Yi San.
Before knowing him as a Crown Prince , I think she had an innocent crush on him as a loyal lecturer.
Like most of the girls her age would , she had crush on him despite knowing she couldn't marry because she is a court maid.
She was swayed after hearing his confession in Market street but contained her feelings after hearing San's will to marry a woman of noble status at Coming of Age ceremony.
It reminded her of cruel reality about their differences in status.
But San is still her master and she did need to help him when he was in danger because San's demise would mean her expulsion from the Palace, her home.
While helping him, both of their feelings were interwined and Deok Im couldn't help but fell in love with her master as a man.
As a court woman who caught the attention of a King, she faced the difficulties of both being pressured into a King's woman and being used as a leverage in terms of Court Politics.
The harder thing is her own dilemma
;her choice between her own freedom and the man she hold dearly.
Which one is more precious ? Did she love him enough to abandon her freedom ?
Later she accepted San's will because
she loved him and also her freedom has already been limited by being the court maid who received King 's favor.
I will say her becoming a concubine is half her love and half her surrender to the system.
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MMkitty
January 31, 2022 at 9:33 PM
Viewers are either frustrated by San's behaviours in later episodes or Deok Im's bitterness and cruelity towards San in final episode.
I have no problems with either.
I understand San's behaviour fully.
He is the realistic portrayal of who
a King should be in 18th Century.
Lately, dramaland portray Kings and Crown Princes as ancient Chaebols with Marshmallow hearts.
The Spouses he had before , conveniently disappear in final episodes and all we get is happy ending with Our Candy heroine.
But RS ventures into the dark sides of being a King ;his power and entitlement over people, his harem , his responsibilities.
And truth to be told, I like it because it's refreshing.
Though I still prefer the mature and thoughtful male leads over masculine ones, a king of 18th Century portrayed realistically is not that bad .
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For the Deok Im's part of refusal to say 'I love You 'to San, she might not say these words out loud ,but she did prove her love with her behaviour while San was so busy playing the King .
For the words she said on her death bed, I understand as her plea
' My king, did you not see my love !
I love you so much that I abandon myself . I love you so much that the choice is painful.
Please dont make me choose again in Next life . '
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The final conclusion is both of them are tragic in their own ways .
I hope to see Junho and Seyoung in another drama ( preferably a modern one ) where we can imagine San and Deok Im as a real couple on equal footing.
I wanna see San softly scolded by Deok Im in modern days, like Seyoung pretended to be upset with Junho in Radio Star while talking about Jang Hye Jin 's character nearly becoming JeongJo's wife because of NG.
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Atlas
January 31, 2022 at 10:51 PM
I loved your review. Btw Junho and Seyoung did say during their special dj gig that they want to work with each other again without the social class difference.
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cozybooks
February 7, 2022 at 5:59 PM
Oh my gosh I would love to see that. They were both SOOO good in their roles, I'd love to see them somewhere else too. Although, a part of me wonders if it was BECAUSE of their roles that they were so good. But not, Junho was amazing in Just Between Lovers too, so I trust his acting. Not as sure about hers, but willing to watch if it were ever to happen!
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Mikanjjj
February 2, 2022 at 12:19 PM
Yes, fully agree with your review.
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29 owl 🦉 🫰
January 31, 2022 at 2:30 PM
You can watch a fun and entertaining Red Sleeve cast chat on the recent Radio Star episode. I loved how the actors interacted and was charmed at how gracious they were. And funny too!
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30 OldLawyer
January 31, 2022 at 4:35 PM
This show became a hit became a hit because it deserved to.
First, this drama was a work of art. The cinematography, the costuming, the balance in the characters and the writing were all well done. We saw more than just the relationship between the main characters but also Deok-im’s relationship with her friends and also San’s relationship with his grandfather. Some of the best scenes involved those other relationships.
Second, I know that the story of Yi San and Deok-im has been cast as a great ‘royal romance’ and that is what many people expected out of the show but what we got was greater than just a standard romance. Great dramas show us the deeper side of the story and we got that here. I was originally upset by the seventeenth episode, but I think that I now understand why it had to be there and why the story continued so long after Deok-im’s death. Many people have noted the power imbalance between San and Deok-im but they are missing what may be the main point of the whole drama: Deok-im was not free but King Jeonjo was not free either. Chains of gold are still chains. They lived in a society where no one was really free and that was the real tragedy of their love. That they did indeed love each other is historical fact, but it was a love that was constricted and warped by their circumstances. To me this was the fundamental motif of this drama. A drama this good will pull in viewers like a magnet- and that too is why it was a hit.
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Lonestar Girl
January 31, 2022 at 4:53 PM
👉🏼 This!! “Chains of gold are still chains.”
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31 LaurenSophie
January 31, 2022 at 4:40 PM
I'm so glad I watched this one live and from the start because typically, if I find out a drama (especially a romantic drama) has a tragic ending, I won't even watch the first episode. But because I started Red Sleeve right at episode 1 when it first came out, and avoided spoilers all the way through, I watched every second (although I admit there were parts of the last episode that I didn't watch very closely because the characters' pain was my pain). And I'm here to say that as someone who tries to avoid sad endings, it was totally worth it in this case.
What made Red Sleeve special? The first two episodes--with their typical sageuk focus on childhood connections--didn't break new ground, but right away, I felt that the dialogue set this drama apart. Characters never said quite what I thought they would at any given moment, and that hooked me immediately.
By episode 3, the banter between the Crown Prince and Deok-im and their undeniable chemistry kept me eagerly anticipating each new episode. I also loved the way the female characters--especially the non-royal female characters--were fully realized. They weren't walking cliches of happy servants serving their betters and desiring nothing more; they were fully realized human beings with wants and frustrations of their own. It didn't really hit me until I started watching Red Sleeve that this is rare in sageuks. We may get strong queens or princesses, and sometimes, a quirky servant or two, but I can't think of any drama that suggested, even obliquely, that court ladies were complex human beings in their own right.
I know a lot of people hated the whole Fairy Palace thing, but I thought it was inspired. Ridiculous, yes, but still---it's not at all what I expected and I appreciated that.
The acting was exemplary across the board. I've liked Junho in other roles, but this one was my favorite because he wasn't afraid to embrace San's darker, less desirable qualities--something a lot of actors are loath to do when playing a leading romantic role. San was a jerk sometimes in keeping with his insulated and privileged background; it still breaks my heart to remember him telling Deok-im he had simply never imagined and could not imagine living life with her as regular people.
Lee Se-young did an excellent job as well showing every moment that led Deok-im from being a spunky, confident young woman to a jaded concubine who loved and loathed the King in equal measure. The emphasis on female agency throughout also made this a refreshing watch.
I can't say I'm brave enough yet to re-watch Red Sleeve all the way through. The hopelessness of Deok-im and San ever being able to love each other as equals is painful to realize over and over again. However, for now at least, Red Sleeve exists next to Seven Days Queen as my all-time favorite sageuk. That said, I would love it if another great one that captivates me as much as those two did would come along soon.
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32 Lonestar Girl
January 31, 2022 at 4:50 PM
I started watching from the beginning because I’m a fan of Juhno. I like the intensity he brings to acting and he’s a cat lover. That’s a win-win for me. It’s hard to put my finger on what made TRS so special but I would say the acting, directing, setting and musical score. ALL the actors brought their A-game to this drama. I think the fact that the director was female made a difference, especially regarding the friendship of the court ladies and their bond. I like the sensibility of this director. I have commented on this before in earlier posts but the drama had a feeling of elegance. The cinematography, the musical score. IMO the musical score of many dramas just doesn’t fit the story. It’s almost a distraction. But as much as I loved this drama, I could have done without Ep 17. It was just too much sadness for me. I know the real life story did not have a happy ending, but I would have preferred to be left with the image of the happy smiling Jeongjo and Uibin, or as I prefer to think of them, Yi San and Deok Im-ah.
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33 Erica
January 31, 2022 at 10:16 PM
I had the least interest in The Red Sleeve during the promotion stage but grew to love it.
I disagree it’s due to fandom of Junho. If that were the case, it would have garnered high ratings on its premier. Instead it had a modest initial rating and steadily increased through positive buzz and word of mouth.
So why exactly? I can only speak for myself:
#1 I was tired of fusion sageuk with modern sensibilities. I was hankering after a more “classic” historical rooted in real history. The criticism I hear some have on TRS - the king is not politically correct and hand grabs the FL - is exactly why I loved it. I don’t mean the literal hand grab. I mean I signed up to watch historical. I don’t want a male lead acting like a 21st century male. Go watch a romcom or fake (aka fusion) historical if you want the male lead acting by modern standards. As for me, I wanted some level of authenticity, it felt like a breath of fresh air to me.
2. Junho - but let me clarify. It was not the blind hero worship of an adoring Junho fan. In fact, I didn’t use to like Junho. I didn’t enjoy Just Between Lovers and I thought the antics of Good Manager were repetitive. So it was a bit grudgingly I tried TRS. And the more I watched, the more I realized a thespian is at work. From his impeccable diction, to his persona that made you think you were transported in Joseon era vs an idol play-acting in a costume. And if I recall correctly, that was the first buzz - not that anything Junho is in should be good, but more like - hey guys - you should check this out - Junho is killing it.
3. The bittersweet love story. But again, it is not modern century love story. It was love, but there was first and foremost duty. To a sage king, it would always come first. We were shown happy frolicking days of court ladies. But we know it’s an illusion. Uibin was fiercely independent, but she was ultimately powerless. It does not make it less than love because there was an imbalance of power. But it made it bittersweet. And to those who love angsty love stories, I lapped it up!
4. The lyrical poetic quality of seemingly mundane things. The symbolisms. I noticed this as early as ep 1 or 2. When Uibin went to get fresh ink for the king. The attention to details. The flow of the camera works.
Typically we get 2 types of drama - one with manic frantic energy bombarding us with one trope after the other. The other is a super slow drama- where the camera freezes endlessly for many many seconds with annoying flashbacks. This is neither. It’s special. The everyday things are intentional. We connect the seemingly random scenes- like the poems they read to each other- with symbolisms of what was to come. Lovely. Lovely.
5. The acting. I talked of Junho so let’s talk of Lee Se Young. At first, I wasn’t too impressed with her version of youthful exuberance. But she grew up and she embodied the beautiful fiercely independent Uibin. She became equal to Junho...
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Erica
January 31, 2022 at 10:21 PM
Continuation…
… A drama would always be dragged down if your screen partner is not up to par. (Hence my exasperation when a “raw” idol is paired with seasoned actress - it does not work).
Beyond Lee Se Young - almost all supporting cast were standouts. The Queen, the king mother, the grandpa king, the court ladies.
5. The OST - I’m glad it mostly employed more traditional music. And almost all with Korean lyrics. Nothing rudely transports me to 21st century than hearing a BTS member croon in English lyrics.
6. The competition. Is TRS the best historical out there? Not by a long shot. It pales in comparison to Dae Jang Geum. But we are in 2021. The competition was farcical comedy (Mr Queen. While many loved this, no one would deny it’s not a classical sageuk), mythical nonsense (LRS), strong in child cast but didn’t quite sustain with adult cast (TKA) despite faultless Park Eun Bin.
So maybe the “luck” factor was at play. It was screened at the right time.
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34 Erica
January 31, 2022 at 11:30 PM
May I just give some compliments to DB staff?
A while back, i gave some observations - fully resigned nothing would come out of it.
One of which is the miss on recapping worthy dramas like The Red Sleeve.
I didn’t expect any action. Or maybe a smug righteous explanation or justification defending the decision to skip this drama.
To see this sentence “ we’re also sad about missing the boat on this drama.” is a rare humility I see in editorial teams. I’m very touched that you listen and care for your readers.
More power!
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35 flatwhite
February 1, 2022 at 4:54 AM
lee san was not different from other sageuks's male leads.
it was duk im who made me stay with the drama until the end.
acting wise, everyone did a marvellous job.
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36 immawish
February 1, 2022 at 5:13 AM
Personally, I think there's something so beautiful in sageuk production from the customary, the outfits, the way they talk (not the literal korean but their choices of words even when it is translated to english, by this i mean the way they talk sort of in code). And I think the red sleeve was able to capture all of that on top of actually having a fresh story. Sad love sageuk love story is definitely far from fresh, but the court lady perspective is definitely new. And surprisingly, they kept the story's pace, momentum, and portion (ie between the comedy, romance, and palace politics) really well up until the end.
The other part that's very specific with The Red Sleeve I think their way to capture melo-romance not only by dialogues but with the close up shots that tells more story than dialogues can do. I think that was in courtesy of the production team as well as both Lee Junho and Lee Seyoung.
And finally, of course it's Junho and Seyoung's chemistry that's just so over the roof I can't even believe myself when I realize that there was BARELY any romantic physical advancement until the forced kiss AND the fateful first night. Their chemistry were so magical that I do think 50% of the reason is really THEM.
And with sageuk honestly, ensemble cast that each would actually serves purpose and actually form friendship/relationship with the main leads is never a miss (Mr. Queen, Moon that Embraces the sun, My Country? sort of?)
Ps. I really don't know why The Red Sleeve reminded me SO MUCH of Moon that Embraces the Sun. I think if Moon that Embraces the sun were a 2020ish sageuk, it would be made this way.
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37 SolitaryDream1103
February 1, 2022 at 10:22 AM
The Red Sleeve for me is the historical drama of 2021, and maybe the best of 2021. I do love historical pieces, and many Koreans enjoy those as well, but there are already so many sageuks filmed, and many historical plots exploited, so it's hard to film anything refreshing. Yes, TRS has obvious tropes of classic sageuk, which is politics, palace drama and so on, but that's because you can't stir much off history and avoid filming about those issues.
What made TRS such a big hit for me?
1. It was very feministic show for sageuk. The whole character of Deok-Im was very refreshing to watch, how she loved herself, her life, her friends instead of going all-it for love. The biggest conflict preventing our main couple to be together was inner issues, rather than external ones, as most of the plots exploit. All women are portrayed extremely well, from Deok-Im's friends, Empress, Court Lady Jo, and so many more. Instead of just being evil for no obvious reasons, we understood their reasons, and all of them suffered from living in society dominated by men.
2. Exceptional cinematogrophy and directing. We can't argue that the show is an eye-candy to watch, from those sceneries, costumes, OSTs and general atmosphere. It's extremely well-shot.
3. We didn't have Second Lead trope, and what we had was rather interesting then just love triangle. Hong Deok-Ro was not interested in Deok-Im but fighting for Yi San's affections (I genuinely think that Deok-Ro really had very deep affections for Yi San, and it was important for him to be his closest person), Empress having deep affections for Deok-Im and fighting over her with Yi San. I really loved that.
3. Everything in the plot seemed logical for me, and nothing out of place. Many people criticized Court Lady Jo's trope and treason sage, but I liked it. They also didn't make it too long, so no complaints from me.
4. Main love story is epic. Yi San was not perfect, it was a society dominated by man, and he was a Crown Prince, a King, people were obeying him since childhood, but what's important, TRS showed us that some of his behaviors was wrong. Like first-kiss scene is disturbing, and TRS made it that way. How he thought that maybe he should force Deok-Im in the relationship, but chose not to, until Empress said that she would rather destroy her. Yi San always stayed true to himself: perfectionist, controlling, cunning at times, thinking about his country first, but also loving that one woman. And I'd like to think that when Deok-Im chose to stay with him, it was her choice where she understood all things she would be losing, but she wanted his love anyway.
5. We didn't have a dedicated villain. I say, palace was a villain, everybody suffered there.
6. Cast: many things being said about Lee Junho and Se-Young, and I can only second that. Amazing actors, amazing chemistry, but all supporting characters did so well.
Overall, it was epic love story, which we all do...
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MMkitty
February 1, 2022 at 3:31 PM
As I also watched a lot of chinese historical dramas , I understand how scary the palace is and it was suffocating for the women to live there.
In Qing dynasty, the Forbidden Palace was said to be the Place ;women could get in,but none could get out of it alive.
Women who desired power might be happy there, but a woman like Deok Im,there was no way she would be happy and felt like a caged bird.
But I agree, she still chose this willingly because of her love for Yisan
( well, it is a main factor ).
Watching chinese dramas and their emperors' harems makes me believe most of these women are not happy and Palace is like a prison to them.
Red sleeve is the first korean drama that makes me feel like that in my 20 + years of K drama watching.
In these eras and centuries,when women were treated as political leverages and with arranged marriages to Royal family to create political connection , the hairpins they wear would be heavier than the stone. ( Well said , QD ). Well said !
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SolitaryDream1103
February 1, 2022 at 6:48 PM
Thank you. I agree with you, and I enjoy watchinese Chinese historical as well (while it explores many classical tropes, they are definitely darker than SK ones).
I also enjoyed that Deok-Im understood Yi San well, his choices and what he had to do as a King. For example, while I enjoyed watching Scarlet Heart Ryeo and it was a good show on so many levels, but I felt that He Soo never understood Wang So truly, especially when he became an Emperor. She loved some parts of him but when it came to tough choices, she never tried to truly understand him. For Deok-Im in TRS, that's what made their first night, her holding to Yi San hand so special. She understood his burden, she understood that he can never be truly hers, she loved her life, but made this choice. I liked monologue earlier in the episodes when she said that it's better to stay as she is, never too far from him, but not too close. When she had to make a decision, she chose to stay close rather than not seeing him again. That is not ideal, maybe some women wouldn't make that choice, but this is love in it's purest form.
Deok-Im understood him when he had to kill her friend because country has laws (hello, Scarlet heart Ryeo :)), she understood when he had to go to Queen's palace when he knew she was pregnant. She even understood him when he treated her harshly when their son died, even if it's hurts as hell. So Deok-Im accepted Yi San fully for who he was and loved him as a whole, not some pieces of him, and that is for me epic love story.
Sorry, I had to rant because it's been a month and I still can't get over it :)
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Erica
February 1, 2022 at 4:13 PM
Hear hear. Both well said.
I think some international viewers were expecting to see modern sensibilities and modern way of thinking/ logic - just in historical costume - and got stuck there. Probably they were conditioned by recent historicals that were fantasy, overly fusion or sourced from webtoon materials (you know, the quick payoff types).
But thankfully, many international viewers - like the domestic audience - saw how special it is.
I agree the conflict is internal and how the Palace is really a prison - for concubines, for court ladies, even for royals. No Korean drama in recent memory quite depicted this - especially romance centric historical - but TRS poignantly captures.
I also agree it is one of the best of 2021 - and I predict it will get recognition/nomination in spades - from credible award giving bodies. It will be richly deserved.
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SolitaryDream1103
February 1, 2022 at 7:04 PM
I read some reviews, that some people were criticizing because Deok-Im seemed very modern character, but Yi San wasn't. So it's like a disparity when you make one character being like she would fit well in today's society, and one person that is truly embodiment of 18th century. It maybe some valuable criticisms, but I feel that writers tried the best they could as they sticked to the novel, and to historic facts (where we don't have much accounts regarding Uibin, but the fact that she rejected Jeongjo 2 times which was unspeakable of at the times), while there are so many accounts to dig in when it comes to Jeongjo.
I like that in TRS they didn't try to glorify Yi San's toxic behaviors like many older Kdramas, it was shown fully that it's wrong and disturbing, but still there were some good traits about him where he waited for 15 years and wanted Deok-Im to become his by her own will.
I hope TRS will receive Baeksang, competition is very fierce in 2021, though, but this drama needs to be recognized even more.
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MMkitty
February 1, 2022 at 8:14 PM
I don't know what was the reasons for Real Seong Ui Bin's rejections of King Jeongjo though.
A mere court lady rejecting King for 2 times was not a simple matter for that time.
As described in Princess's Man,King's Affection or King Taejong's records,even rejections of marriages arranged by the Kings themselves could be considered as traitorous acts and punished at least with Exile,even if they were the infamous noble family members.
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Atlas
February 4, 2022 at 9:52 PM
If i am not wrong ,the first rejection was because deok im was friends with San's wife. So when San was still a crown prince and asked her out for the first time(she was the only woman in whom he was interested) , she cried and begged that she can't accept it as her friend the crown princess still hasn't given him a heir.
However there are no records as to why the 2nd rejection happened. Like you said it was very daring from Uibin's side to reject the 2nd most powerful man in the country. However, if you read more abt how he treated Deok im later on , you will know that she has always been an exception and special person to him.
Ofcourse we don't know what his real feelings were. But my simple guess is that , he knew being a court lady , she was his property and would spend the rest of her life within the palace. I guess he loved her so much or probably too busy with his own royal issues, that he didn't mind to wait for her all those years.
38 FormAnOrderlyQueue
February 1, 2022 at 4:13 PM
Another thought - the Behind the Scenes material. It was full, it was released quickly, it was often hilarious, it showcased the chemistry of the full cast. It became an event in itself. With an ongoing diet of RSC between the episodes, it kept the momentum going. I think it actually can have quite a significant impact on the reception of a drama.
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39 Mikanjjj
February 2, 2022 at 12:18 PM
I happened to accidentally see the teaser a day before it started airing. The teaser really attracted me to it. I had known both Lee Se Young and Lee Jun Ho but had never really paid a lot of attention. The scenes from the 1st 2 episodes got me hooked. Their expressions, the OST, the background, costumes and it all just felt great. Im so glad I discovered it from the beginning. I don’t usually like watching a drama while it’s airing but I really enjoyed this one. Watching YouTube for TRS crumbs, chasing hashtags on Twitter and Instagram, watching 2pm content, trying to find Lee Se Young’s content with Eng subs, watching TRS BTS on repeat and finally reading the history about Yi San and Deokim from a 2PM fan blogger named JLML718.
In fact reading her blogs and Instagram posts made it easier for me to understand Yi San and Deokim better. I started looking at things in a different way.
I’m already having withdrawal symptoms.
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40 Kairoskat is on LUCY Island 🏝
February 2, 2022 at 2:33 PM
It was popular, so people will look into LSY's filmography and watch KAIROS 😎.
Fyi, KAIROS cinematographor was also TRS cinematographer too. Watch KAIROS, underated gem.
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41 Irene Ng
February 3, 2022 at 12:02 PM
It is a hit because it has romance coupled with sacrificial love. Unlike others, it illustrates the irony of court lady and the king due to the status which is prevalent in Joseon period. Love and responsibility and obligation to uphold usually result to one to make a choice against their own will and lost of love ones.
The drama adapted and directed awesomely well and focus on facts as well details that make heart fluttered and can relate to the era background and empathise with the characters. Kudos to the director and the cast...Enjoy the drama very much
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42 Tintel
February 4, 2022 at 11:14 AM
Got on this boat around E4 and initially stayed for the grand reveal that library guy was actually the Crown Prince. The turned out to be satisfying, so I stayed on and before I knew it I was hooked. Se-young was as usual fantastic but IMHO it was Jun-ho and Kang Hoon that carried this drama.
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43 vlinder
February 5, 2022 at 2:28 AM
Speaking for myself. What drew me in is the amazing chemistry between the leads. I especially enjoyed Junho's portrayal of Yi San. I loved the emotion and vulnerability he showed. His longing to be with Deok-Im was so visible and it hit all the feels in the right way. His struggle with his longing for her and respecting her by not abusing his power (even though it was frustrating him) was wonderful to watch. I loved the portrayal of Deok-Im too. Struggling with her feelings for Yi San, the off-putting environment of the court, and her own ambitions and longing to have a peaceful life. For me, this is what drew me in and kept me watching.
What was off-putting were some elements I thought to be too fantastic: the tiger scene, the secret society of court ladies, and other parts of the plot. What kept me from not leaving the drama was the dynamics I mentioned above.
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cozybooks
February 7, 2022 at 6:02 PM
Yes. I too felt Yi San's desire to be with her but not to abuse his power, but also that he wasn't a perfect man (there were scenes when he DID end up abusing his power, and he wasn't even apologetic for it... he just realized it was the weight he had to bear as king). And I loved that as a part of the drama- she loved him in part BECAUSE he realized so well what it meant to be king. And because he was king, she also realized what she did and didn't want. And that was hard for them both. I loved the portrayal of how lonely Yi San was as king, but how determined he was to be a good one.
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lynnet
February 10, 2022 at 9:41 AM
So true
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44 Herr
March 10, 2022 at 11:49 PM
Junho, definitely.
He was a revelation in this role. I'd never even heard of him before when I saw koreans buzzing about him in this role and gave it a shot. Suffice it to say, I was completely blown away.
The complicated tragic story of Yisan and Dukim was obviously a big draw, but San's relationship with his grandfather stole the show tbh. The confrontation between them before San was handed over the throne was one of the best acting I've seen out of korean ent. Although I expected to be more taken in by the court ladies stories, since they're usually more up my alley, I found myself drawn to the royal family intrigue instead. Junho and the LDH were the true gems of this drama.
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45 Justme21
March 13, 2022 at 11:07 PM
Junho. Smolder. Swoon. Period.
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46 noor
November 22, 2023 at 3:47 PM
Well, its the first and last sageuk I'll watch. It is a classic, well-made, well-performed melodrama with well-sketched out characters, and even though it's tragic throughout, I did not mind the tears. The attention to detail and tragic-comic aspects in showing lives of court ladies, court politics, the grandfather/King's dementia, the longing of the ML (CP, later King) for this 'lowly' woman (who would've been otherwise forgettable in a sea of 700 available women and girls, and noble consorts), and the FL's resolution to 'stay in her place' and have a bit of freedom (especially since she could never be equal to the CP/King), all made sense.
It made for a great drama, tears and joy and fear. Everyone and everything (including that CGI tiger) made sense.
BUT I do think drama went overboard in showing FL as a 'Raise the Red Lantern' kind of tragic figure trapped in a patriarchal palatial system in Ep.16-17, when life as a court lady was a daily life and death experience, and as a consort longed and loved by the devoted King, she could've done anything with her time (reading, transcribing books, calligraphy, instead of just waiting for King to arrive and used for sex and pregnancy only). Since the retelling of true story is fictionalized, I think it would've been better if FL retained her sense of fun even as a consort! She was even guarded in her choice of words to the King as a consort!
Not everything had to be so morbid, dire and hopeless. But whatever it was, as painful as it was, it was great to watch it.
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