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[Drama Chat] What made The Red Sleeve Cuff such a hit?

If, while you’re reading this, you hear the sound of weeping (and are perhaps adding to it), it’s because we’re also sad about missing the boat on this drama. But rather than cry over spilled milk (or let it explode in your face a la Start-Up), let’s talk about that special spark that The Red Sleeve Cuff had.

In a drama season that was full of sageuk, what made The Red Sleeve Cuff stand out? There were certainly other dramas in the same airing cycle that had higher buzz or bigger names, but something made The Red Sleeve Cuff pop, going from 5% ratings for its premiere week, to not only an extension, but a whopping 17% for its final episodes.

Were you around from the beginning, or did you ride the Sleeve wave a little later on in its run? What pulled you in? What pulled you out?

What made The Red Sleeve Cuff such a hit?
 
Let the chatting begin!

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The Red Sleeve Cuff was a hit for the lead cast members: Junho and Lee Se-young so did the newbie Kang Hoon. The Red Sleeve Cuff gave MBC a sucessful comeback in terms of ratings after a few Kdrama flops on this channel and then, MBC should considered not only one of this channel's hits but also it was one of the best sageuks of all time. Later, it won the 2021 MBC Drama Awards as the drama of the year.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_MBC_Drama_Awards

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What made Red Sleeve a hit. In my region, it was a historical drama whose predecessor Yi San, King of the Palace garnered so much praise.

I really don't know why it became a hit in Korea, but we can attest it to the fact that it was a drama talking about a court lady who are technically the king's women, wanting to have an agency of herself and whom she would love. And Red Sleeve used the plot device nicely.

Plus Lee Se-young was a functional female lead, not a Candy. It's being a while we had a female lead who had her own drive other than serving as a clutch
hung up on the male lead.

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Agreed! When she finally succumb and accepted Junho, I was a little disappointed to be honest. I want her to continue being her ownself while loving & protecting the King by his side. But I read the history after the show and find out it was inevitable.

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She had no choice. And Yi San had other ways to protect her but choosed that since it was the safest.
No one would want to cross the King's favorite concubine without thinking twice, but everyone would want to cross the King's favorite maid.

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Circumstances do not allow as the King rival will try to find ways to make Deok Kim , the King beloved lady, a pawn to make the KIng compromise to their request even she leave the palace. It is only become a consort that they cannot abuse her.
The sad part is Deok KIm died at such a young age and did not have a chance to able to use her wit/ talent to assist the King because she is just a court lady status and never able to be Queen. What she can offer is a listening year and a comfort to the king

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She could never become Queen even if she loved for a long period of time. The King who ruled during the era of Deposed Queen back to Royal Noble Consort Jang Hui-bin made a law that forbade court ladies rising to the rank of Queen.
And I sure agree with you that she would have really aided the King with her sharp wit.

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It's a good question. I think Koreans love trends. They can come from very weird fanvideo or others, a spark is enough. I mean GFriend became famous because they slipped several times on stage... Or they loved to eat in famous restaurant and wait for it during hours.

What is funny with this drama, it's the beginning of the story was the best part but after it lost its focus and became meh. But it was buzzworthy and the ratings just went high because it was the hot topic and the quality wasn't important anymore.

It's still the worse role for Lee Se-Young for me, but I like her as an actress and I'm happy for her. She deserves the recognition.

The star for me was the King played by Lee Deok-Hwa. He was really great.

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When my wife and I (used to) eat out, we received great meals at two types of restaurants: (1) the occasional hotspot that actually lived up to the hype and (2) neighborhood joints which had little or no originality but everything on the menu was executed with love and care -- RSC is the latter for me. Many of the usual dramaland and sageuk cliches were still present but because the show treated them as integral to the script rather that throwaway fan service, they worked much better.

Also, if the perspective of my mother and her halmoni crew means anything, the romance between Jeongjo and Lady Seong is the THE great historical love story, even more so than the the one between King Sukjong and Lady Choe.

Relatedly, while I understand academics may differ, the popular perception is that Jeongjo and, especially Sejong, are the two kings who came closest to the myth of the truly benevolent monarch. Much in the way American entertainment periodically cycles back to the life of Abraham Lincoln, I would not be surprised if there is yet another successful Jeongjo vehicle in the next 10-20 years.

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I am still on episode 13. I started 2 days ago. Dont judge me, cause you know... :P It is different, but at the same time it still a sageuk. What I liked about it? The King didnt hate the Crown Prince, he adored his grandson. There was no need to kill the King with a poisoned tea. We saw a different side of sageuk. There is the terror of it, but we could see that it indeed takes a village to make the King, a King. We saw that every person has a job in this world. Being maid or being the King. The character development was amazing. While I usually give up on second half of the dramas, this one kept it going good. The story kept going.

And off course, a female lead that was strong enough. I am gonna be honest, the last time I saw something like this was in WWW: Search. And a male lead that respected her, despite being the King.

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Kill the king? I think you got it wrong because the king died of natural reasons not his grandson killing him. His grandson rejected the idea of doing that immediately it was conceived by his close followers.

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I said there was no need to kill the king with tea. Most sageuks use that plot to kill their kings. By using poison in the tea to kill the king.

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There was a plan to do that, but it did not work. That's what I'm trying to say

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Junho!
Damn, that boy's got smolder.

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That's really just off the top of my head though. ;)

For me, I think the directing was the key element. Everything was executed with so much love and care. It was like being to Japan, where everything is served with such devotion to perfection. It told the story it wanted to tell without veering of into the realm of fanfiction much. And I think everyone shared the same vision.
Somehow, the characters portrayed by Lee Deok-hwa and Hang Hye-jin very much shine to me as well.

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i agree. everyone seem to get along well with each other too that you can literally feel & see on screen

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You beat me to saying it 🤣
Now, really, I think this is a very pretty sageuk but the plot and the tone was somewhat inconsistent, - like, all the Fairy Army and then Hong just being a monster to women in general, why? Why? And I refuse to talk anymore about how this isn't a story that should be framed as romantic, because the power imbalance between ML and FL is atrocious, but I already ranted about it on the fanwall. In that aspect, I think the 2 final episodes did a great job in showing us how unfair and problematic it was.
Also, the tone. At times we are watching a romcom, on others it's more like a more realistic biopic... I just found it strange, taking into account that it is based on a novel.
Anyways... Why was it so successful? For starters, it's never the "best" things that shoot to stardom, because it's more of a combination of different factors that at a given time just happen to get caught up in the hype. In this case, I guess it was a combination of a solvent production, Junho looking very hot, a great and super professional cast, a famous and beloved story to inspire it, a strong female lead, and a bit of internet magic

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'The power imbalance was atrocious'
That was a norm in the Joseon society then. Yet, RSC's Duk-Im showed that she was no ordinary woman. She utilized the freeness she got as the CP's court lady properly, even using it to challenge the CP. Unless if I do not understand what you term power imbalance, I beam with pride each time she challenged his power with her might or through Queen Kim.

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Yes, Deokim (at least the fictional one we saw, I really can't speak for the real person) challenged Yisan because she kept saying no, although everything - including the fact that she was groomed for that purpose from a young age - and everyone around her pressured her into giving in. But drama established that she couldn't say no anymore, and was wrapped in a bow and delivered to Yisan's bed. Sure, that's the way things were, and imo that's what makes her an interesting character - Deokmi treasured the freedom she had above notions like status or romantic love, and found meaning in her work and friendships.
But then drama shows us her loosing all that, and it's so freaking sad to see her lingering away waiting for Jeongjo to drop by, apart from her children, unable to work... Drama picks the typical "happily ever after" and turns it on its head. Everyone has a different viewing experience, but this is my takeaway from this drama: even if she loved him, she KNEW that she could never be really happy with Yisan because of his role. And when we see them together it's cute and affectionate, but as the drama advances, we can see how Deokmi gradually censors herself more and more next to Yisan. In the last episode it's clear how much she keeps go herself because he's the King. Not saying that they didn't love each other - drama establishes that, and their romantic scenes until the end are very swoony - but I keep on thinking that their power imbalance was effectively atrocious. As Queen Kim said, they were prisoners in that palace.

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I haven't watched this but maybe "the everyone has a different viewing experience " is one of the reasons so many liked it. Another I haven't watched that seemed to have that same effect on people is Squid Games, people taking away different meanings.
Though not as popular I'd maybe put My Ahjussi in that category too. I wonder if people come back to this drama in 5 or 10 years if they'd have different take aways just dependent on what they've experienced in the intervening years and where they are in life.

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'Wrapped and delivered to Yi San's bed'
Couldn't you have made your point without pointing out the fact that she was bundled to his bed😂. Besides it was high time it happened.

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@jerrykuvira but she was! I also like it when my drama characters quit being all "gazing deeply into each others eyes" and get on with it. But everything about that ceremonial sequence of her getting ready and being delivered to him felt like a defeat. It would have been a lot more satisfying if they set up their first time as a more spontaneous and free will-like moment. Alas, what we got felt more true to reality 😥

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Oh, I loved Hong! Yes, he was a creep, but a very well written one. No matter what, you could always count on him stabbing you in the back.

And as this story tried to stay mostly true to facts, the power imbalance didn't come off as strange to me. Like @jerrykuvira notes, it was the norm in the days. Duk-Im very much knew what she was getting into and she also used her influence over the crown prince. I don't know korean history so the fuzzy fairy-tale like editing and soft, playful background music lulled me into romantic fantasies which were then brutally taken from my modern self.

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Yes, I liked Hong a lot too! Kang Hoon did a great job portraying him as this ambitious dude with flaky morals and absolutely no respect for women. There was depth to him, and it came across that he felt true affection for his sister and Yisan, but it was complicated and we was a bit sh*tty... That kind of character is totally up my lane 😅
But I still think that they went a stretch too far when they made him a women torturer just to frame Court Ladies for his shenanigans. Really, there was no need for that. Why didn't they go with the corruption plotline, which, if I'm not wrong, is what actually happened?

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They followed the book when it came to hong's plotline of torturing the lady. I read some spoilers from the book so it was clear for me why he did that. First of all he always thought court ladies were lowlives and used them for his benefits only.
So when his sister died ,apart from his love for her, his dreams of acquiring more power got shattered. He became delusional and believed the queen killed his sister . Thus he decided to frame her by using the court ladies.
I guess they finally needed something dramatic as a final nail in the coffin to finish his character off.

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Thanks for clearing that up, Atlas! When I watched it I didn't get the delusional bit, so I thought we was just being over the top evil

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*he! (autocorrect 🙄)

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While I could never find pity for Hong, I really felt for him when he recalled the crux of his being unable to become the King's person. It was really sad that Yi San's final trust in him was based on a lie and that fact followed him all his life. Had he come clean, would the scenario had changed?

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Lol, your expectation is the best! 🤭👍🏻 Agree on most you mentioned.

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I found this drama to be a very satisfying watch ,every moment made sense to me. I love how light and comedic the 1st quarter was when they were younger and more free and he was the Crown Prince. Even the lighting shifted as the drama became a bit more high stakes as if they were also having to grow up and leave their childlike wonder behind. I loved how realistic the relationship was , in a lot of show where girls fall in love with royalty ; the idea of falling in love with a man who has absolute power over you and how dangerous that can be is never fully explored , the drama tends to be external but here their problems in relation to their positions in life made so much sense. I enjoyed how bittersweet it was and how even when they ended up together they were realistic about her losses and the underlying resentment it must have generated. I even love the fact that she never said those 3 little words as a way of retaining her agency. The imperfect nature of their love made it that much more satisfying to me because I think very few people ever really experience the healthiest type and a romance occurring in this time period and palace setting would be anything but healthy.

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Right time, right place? I think there were probably several reasons: Good cast and chemistry between the cast, word of mouth, and the fact that it was based on a famous story. I'm not a sageuk fan, but I tend to like ones based on real historical figures better.

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I had written this long and carefully thought out comment, and the system malfunctioned and erased it. Grrrrr, and aigoo.

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Lol I've had that happen to me a few times. Now I'm pretty good at copying and pasting the comment somewhere safe before posting, just in case.

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I maybe wrong, because I quit the drama at Episode 8.

I know some interpret the drama as two falling in love to each other but only become a poignant sad story because of their different status and moral in ancient Joseon era (he begins as a crown prince, and she a royal servant). Some think it is romantic because of a strong man conquest of a head strong, free-spirited woman. I know all those elements and why they say those elements make this a drama a successful one. Certainly, a well-known love story in Joseon Royal Court may have helped boost the rating as well. I read all those articles and watched all those explanatory videos on YouTube.

For me, however, I don't see how romantic it is.

I am a man, and I know when a woman says "no" to me, that means NO. I don't think a man with a higher authority forcing a woman onto his bed is "romantic".

But I guess in some societies (not only South Korea, but overall East Asian culture) with straight hierarchical social structure this story is somehow "romantic". I simply don't get it. That doesn't mean, however, it cannot be a good story. Since I only watched half of the show, I can't say it for sure; but if you want to know what I think, here it is.

(Afterall, watching two poor souls overcome their pass trauma--being abandoned and low self-esteem due to poverty, to be exact--and getting together again after 5 years of breaking up from a 5 year love relationship is way more satisfying to me. In fact, I love that drama so much I quit all other dramas, so I guess this is another reason I quitted this very drama)

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By the way, a secret society in the royal court among royal servants put me even more off. Junho and Lee Se-young may have been very talent actors (I am pretty sure Lee is, as I watched her in The Crowned Clown. I know political infighting is common, and I don't mind to watch a good one in a sageuk (One in Mr. Queen made me laugh a lot, in fact), but this one? I just feel ridiculous ...

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Tbh in the past there were indeed some kind of secret society and a court lady was actually involved in treason. However the drama made it too grand and i blame it on the writer. The original book didn't have that plot.

Regarding your comment abt how u don't see this drama as a romance. That's actually a point many people agree. I can't say much but the last two episodes particularly solidified this particular notion. No sane person would call their relationship a healthy one.
I remember while watching the penultimate episode, although there were happy moments between them as a couple, i still felt this heavy burden on my chest. Like i just wanted her to be free. What i liked abt this drama is that they didn't shy away from showing how flawed their love story was. There was no sugarcoating , the woman had to sacrifice her everything yet the man got to keep what he wanted. That's why the female lead never verbally gave him an affirmation of her love towards him. She thought atleast this was a choice she could make. The core theme of the drama applies in modern day too. You can be in love yet not happy.

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I agreed calling this drama romantic is a stretch. I do feel iffy and conflicted about the bed scene. It is after all a Joseon/traditional way of thinking/culture.

If I can advocate for the drama/the King's action since I'm not sure if you watch that scene, he always respected Deok Im's decision not wanting to be a concubine. He finally made the decision to make her his concubine to protect her. He knew that she will be in danger if he left her be. That's why in that scene, he says if she choose to reject him, she has to leave the palace. Of course, he also wants her for selfish reasons. For Deok-Im, she has always wanted to be with him but stay as a court lady. But when finally presented the option of leaving but never seeing the King ever again, she knew that being his concubine is the only option for her to be with him.

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I thought it was so captivating purely because I wouldn't call it romantic. It was such a different drama for me because it seemed aware of how heartbreaking it was for her to make these decisions, no matter how much she liked him outside his role as king. She also really respected and admired him AS king, but resisted so hard having that infringe upon her own personal identity. It felt very bittersweet to me and that's why I liked it.

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I think everything just fall in place at the right timing? But for me the main catalyst is Junho and that he’s excellent at his job as both idol and actor. Since the My House craze back in 2020 people starts to get fascinated and discover his years long career. He’s not slacking at all so there are tons of material about him you can find (hundreds of concerts while also have movies and dramas means new fans are blessed with abundant stuffs to watch). I say he's the main reason because even during MBC Gayo Daejejon, which he only served as an MC, the rating was high. Some fans of the drama even got mad he danced with other woman (SNSD Yoona) since he IS San (the logic..).

The casts’ acting and their chemistry, the cinematography, the costume, the music, and the behind the scenes are great. For me it made up for the sloppiness in the story. So I personally think TRS itself is a good product, that’s why the buzz generated with the help of reporters are so well received by the general public.

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For me the drama was really interesting at the beginning. Watching a Sageuk from the point of view of regular court ladies was really exciting. I learned a lot about their jobs and their life style. I really liked seeing Deok Im and her friends having a regular day. I also liked San because he didn't act like a total jerk, I mean, he was a brat yeah, but he was also nice and funny.
I also liked that the politics seemed interesting (I skipped the politics in 90% of the sageuks I've watched), I was curious about the bad court lady (she wasn't that bad tho, San almost got a bunch of court ladies killed), about the queen, about the weird king, about Sado...

I really enjoyed the first half of the show, it was the first Sageuk I didn't drop or put on hold after Mr. Queen. So I guess it became a hit because it was a refreshing cliche? It's not the first time we see the rich brat and the poor girl romance, or a FL being comfortable with her life style and feeling desperate to protect it, or a crown prince wanting to do better for his people, or people plotting against the crown prince; but the way they were doing it in TRS was really entertaining and nice.

Then everything after EP 12 happened and I hated it, but I think it became hit before that so I'm guessing the reasons I mentioned are valid, Idk.

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The court ladies! The two things about the drama that engaged me the most were: the court ladies' point of view and the way every relationship Yisan had was ambiguous, because it was either framed by his status, or tainted by his father's wrongdoings.
But going back to the Court Ladies, I I loved to see Court Ladies daily life's and ceremonies, the practicalities of their jobs, and the fact that they were all different individuals - with different tastes and abilities and life expectations - made it richer. Deokim's scenes with her friends were a highlight of the drama for me. Unfortunately, the whole Court lady conspiracy fell flat for me - I think drama worked best in its more realistic bits

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YES. I loved seeing things from the court ladies point of view. It was so fascinating that the drama didn't shy away from making a statement that this wasn't a fairytale world, it wasn't even pleasant for a lot of them, but they did it anyway. They enjoyed themselves as they could, and lived.

I too was a bit leary of the big court lady secret organization, but other than that I was the most invested in the little court intrigues (trying to win so-and-so over to their side etc.) the most in this drama than any other I've watched. Mostly because of how the actress for Deok-Im handled it, I think.

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In a land full of fictional/fusion saeguk that has no basis in history and lack the epicness, it is no wonder it slips your mind and of course the biasness (maybe) towards lighter and more modern dramas. Of course a saeguk based on a traditional saeguk will stand out, what's more with history based on real-life king. Who cares if the other characters are from history as well?

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I know what made it popular was probably an intersection of many things, from the leads themselves to their chemistry, the gorgeous cuts and framing and the story they chose, and how they spent time on each morally grey character's perspective.

But I especially loved it for how they portrayed YiSan's love and resentment toward his grandfather. The desperation and pressure he was always under really came through 🥺👏👏

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Hello everyone! It's been so long since I commented but I have always been a silent stalker of the site.

My sister and I both were fans of the LJH and LSY, I especially LOVED LJH in Rain or Shine, so we have heard about the drama when it was airing. So when we were deciding on a fluff drama to watch together, we settled on this drama even though I was reluctant as I am not a fan of saeguk. Boy, how wrong were we thinking it is a fluff drama and how glad that I watched it.

I enjoyed the intensity of the drama and how well it highlighted the precarious the lives of the characters even the crown prince. Both Junho and Seyoung did an amazing job at their roles.

The multi-dimensional characters were also of the great qualities of the show. From Hong Deok-ro to Head Court Lady Jo, all the characters have their good and bad sides. I feel the show really did a great job in fleshing most if not all of the characters. Shout to Deok-hwa ajusshi as the King and Oh Dae Hwan as the comic relief royal guard.

I also like the pacing of the drama. They never linger too long on any of the plot points. From someone who doesn't really know the history of Joseon, the show did well in telling the history without being too long-winded. The pacing only slowed down at end with the politicking which I have to admit I fast forward most of it.

Overall, my sister and I were truly enjoyed the show even though my sister was a little upset she didn't get the 'fluff' she wanted. Hahaha!

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First of all, yay for commenting! It's ok to lurk in DB, but it's even better to join the party 🥳
And you're right: I was talking only about Yisan, but drama did a great job at fleshing out all of the main characters and giving them depth and ambiguity.
Hope your sister gets her fluff soon enough! The sad ending in TRSC was upsetting even for the viewers who knew from the beginning what happened to the real people

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What upsets her is not the ending but the lack of romantic scenes between our leads. But I get that it is the slow-burner kind of romance.

Well, I am trying to convince her to watch Our Beloved Summer. Hoping for at least more fluff scenes. Hahaha.

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I have yet to finish it.. put it on hold after 10th episode cause CP was trying his best to make DI give in.. his physical hold on her shoulders and just trying to overpower her with his Kingly persona made me go mad already.. and then i got it know it dint improve either so i doubt ill complete it cause i want to be saved for my blood boiling with rage n anger...

but it being such a hit.. ill say its the chemistry between the leads.. Junho n SY was too beautiful to be ignored together... they are beautiful as individual but together they just turned the whole drama just toooo Good... and by the time the real plot point came into play (no matter how meh) the chemistry kept the ball rolling for viewers and it really must have become hard to drop it cause people had invested good amount of time and emotions with these characters.
thats my take.

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Yes, Yisan does creepy stuff - and he gets a lot worse. I'm not defending him, but it's worth clearing up that that was the status quo: he was raised in a social setting where all the court ladies were "his", and people around him enabled him and actively told him (Hong, the Queen) to rape Deokim. Like, the King is the ultimate entitled chaebol. That can't be good for your moral compass, even if deep down you're not a bad person 😂
So, what makes the story interesting for me is that their relationship was messy: they liked each other, but their circumstances f*cked everything up. And I think that the drama makes it clear that Yisan is scary and has total power over Deokim's safety and that that isn't cool.
But, yes, the romantic tone was off - and I found it upsetting too. The last two episodes totally redeemed the drama for me because they went for a more realistic vibe

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Couldn't have said any better. He indeed is a red flag and creepy if we go by today's standards . But based on joseon era , he was the best man out there who despite having the means to easily have his way with her because of his absolute power , he chose to wait for her for 15 years. Although his love was selfish but he tried to do everything in his capacity to make her feel comfortable and loved, in his own language. He gave her a chance to go away from him . It was a difficult choice but ultimately the fl chose his love rather than her freedom.

In regular sageuks we often meet these main leads who are portrayed as the perfect man. But in reality the power imbalance will always be there. It was uncomfortable to watch and hard to root for them but i was glad cause it made me realise that not all love stories involving princes is a fairy tale like.

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The only thing that I would argue is that her choice wasn't really a free choice. She literally almost got killed by stupid palace intriguing, and the last time he asked her, it was posed as an ultimatum. So, yeah, I don't see it as a free choice in any way. To me it felt like a defeat. But other viewers may interpret it differently.
A sign that the drama is good is the fact that there are so many opinions about the characters and their decisions ☺️

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Yes, I agree with all of this. It's such a hard situation, and his love was very selfish. But I do think she made a choice, even though it was posed as an ultimatum...

I was struck in the last episode by just how lonely he was portrayed. The long shots of him alone in the courtyard, the advisors always trailing BEHIND him... he really relied on Deok-Im just to have a normal life. When I consider myself faced with such a prospect, along with the desire to protect at any means necessary, I understand a bit more his desperation to keep her next to him. This is not to condone his insistance that she become his concubine... it just helped me realize it wasn't a heartless act.

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that status quo is my issue.. and i certainly agree that its not for me to decide what he did was right or wrong cause in that time such things did happen and its how this drama portrayed it very well (to make me rage and angry is that sign)
but i hv very little threshold to such ways of using plot for romantic purpose.. ill still have my apprehension to give it another chance now or in near future but may be in long long time when ill have nothing to watch i might try it with more open n understanding perspective.

btw thanks for sharing ur inputs... it did help me to get lil softer towards yi san and his creepy way of loving doek im...

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So so messy. I even felt you could feel him changing more and more as he became King. My favourite scene is the one where his Grandpa told him he would soon have to kill a lot of people or the old man's comment about the blood stained gown he would now wear. Another part is when he asks the court lady who mentored her if he should just have her against her will and "reward himself" those scenes are so telling but at the same time you can tell he loves her ,its just so warped by who he is and and the way now that he is King ,his sense of entitlement must be beyond crazy.

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I am not much fond of sageuks but this drama actually managed to hook me up untill the end. The reason why it was a success, it was a combination of casting , directing, the music department and over all production team . The competition was insane . Imagine comeback dramas of a listers like song hye kyo, jun Ji Hyun, han hyo joo, lee young ae ,yet it was red sleeve which shined the most despite the oversaturation of sageuks last year. Word of mouth regarding how well made this drama is and the disappointment from big names, ultimately made people interested in it. Throw in some epic real life love story who wouldn't love it.

When i first started watching it, there were only 2 episodes available and i thought it would be another light hearted sageuk drama (something like tale of nokdu, which i loved btw). But then i came across a thread on twitter that talked abt the real life jeongjo and uibin. Something moved inside me and i actually teared up reading how tragic their story was. I became more attached to the drama after that. And with each passing episode i kept looking for spoilers from the book and history. Never in my life i watched a drama knowing what would happen next , yet enjoyed it so much. I couldn't wait for them to deliver the angst and pain that was promised in the book.

Just like many people i do think the writer messed up a lot with the pacing and the unnecessary fillers. However the leads, and the director made up for it.

It was a new take from court ladies' perspective and showed the woes of women living in that era. Even the most powerful woman ,aka the queen dowagor felt like a caged Bird inside the palace. We are always used to seeing these goody two shoes princes in sageuks but it was refreshing to see yi san as an imperfect lover who preferred his country over the woman he loved. She wanted to live as a normal couple but he couldn't imagine that.

I can go on and on ...but let me stop. Indeed one of my all time fav dramas.

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Can't believe you made this 'chat room' to talked about TRS when it almost a month since it ended. Well, even Radio Star starts airing their episode for the TRS cast, and they made it into 2 episodes!! *not complaint at all

I always love Saeguk drama, I watched the 'typical' saeguk and also the fusion but since I watched too many fusion one I miss the 'old version' of saeguk and TRS gives me all.

I think what makes it so popular is because of the cast. They are all very talented, not only the lead, Junho and Seyong but also the supporting cast. While the romantic scene of Junho and Seyong makes my heart flutter every time *uhuk bath scene* but I find the scene between Yisan and Yeongjo always be the highlight of the drama. They are like having an intense acting battle every time they meet that makes me forgot to breath.

I also like how the show 'saying good bye to its character'. The bad guy not always bad and even I took a pity when they died, named it Head Court Lady Jo, Deokro, even I shed a tear for Princess Hwawan.

Everything is executed beautifully with love and care that makes it easy to be loved by everyone.

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1. Junho
2. Junho's acting
3. The rl history
4. The tragic story of a vibrant headstrong woman who won the heart of the king.
5. The exclusivity of the King's love
6. The fate of women and how they found/find small freedoms within the narrow spaces available to them.
7. Junho's abs.
8. The appeal of historical fiction
9. The struggle for power
10. Junho

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@jorobertson: Notwithstanding my reservations about TRE,
If I may, I would like to add one more factor to your list (my stupid Ipad turned ‘list’ to ‘lust’ which on second thought was fitting😂😂:
11. Junho’s low speaking voice. Damn. (By way of contextualising, I am neither a fan of his music nor the higher register in which he mostly sings in).

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"Lust", you say??? 👀

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I totally agree.

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I liked the way Red Sleeve portrayed heart fluttering romance with a dose of reality in it. While it had regular kdrama magic (humour, meet-cute, sexual attraction, hotness of the leads), it also did not shy away from showing the imperfections of love. We often have deep seated resentments against people whom we love deeply because most relationships demand some form of sacrifice or the other. We choose to be with them despite knowing well the sacrifices it will require. In this case, it was a king and a court lady so the sacrifices were far more apparent. Does not take away from the basic truth about human relations though. May be thats why people related to the show and it garnered the ratings it did.

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@hallyucinations - great comment. Please register and comment regularly!

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Great comment. I also believe love and resentment often go hand in hand.

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Thanks guys! I think this relationship between love and resentment is not exclusive to romantic relations either. In fact more often it is found in the way we associate with our parents- deep love interlaced with deep resentments. Makes me wonder if any love can be perfectly healthy. We can definitely try to keep it as healthy as possible by constantly being aware of the issues underlying it but maybe thats about it.

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My thoughts exactly

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Another aspect that I felt was really cool was the parallels between the former Kings relationship with two court ladies and the current King's relationship with Deok Im and how it showed that it never ended well for women entangled with Kings even when they really wanted to be concubines.

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I don't want to sound like a Jun-ho babe, but I do think that his performance is central to the success, plus the rest of the cast, the cinematography and the script, the poetry, attention to detail, etc.

As an actor Jun-ho has an intensity that few others have. I saw him first in Wok of love and there was nobody else stirring the wok quite like him. I thought it was brave of the director to cast him alongside Jang Hyuk, another very intense power house, but it worked well.

The beauty of TRS is that Jun-ho's fellow actors were a great match in acting capabilities, there was always a spark between them which made these mesmerizing scenes between the king and the crown prince and with Deok-im. Lee se-young shines in the drama. How she was reading the poem to the locked up crown prince is unforgettable and in my view the best scene of the whole drama.

I did not mind the power gap between king and court lady, quite the opposite. The king's arrogance, sense of entitlement and hunger for power was very appropriate - he was not a modern man and to make him into one would have been false.

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I didn't start watching when it first aired, but started after episode 12 came out with the thought that I would be caught up by the time the last episode aired. Big mistake! I was hooked from episode 1 and binged all available episodes in 2 days. The waiting for the rest of the episodes was painful but also exciting because it felt like the rest of the world was waiting for the same thing. I think The Red Sleeve is such a success because everyone that worked on that show is very good at their job. Every aspect of production is done very thoughtfully and it shows. From writing, directing, acting, props, set, costumes and everything in between, all of it was done so well. Crucially, it had a very good ending even though they had to go through the motions of portraying real (not so happy) historical events. The Red Sleeve is now my favorite sageuk and also very close to being favorite Kdrama of all time for me. I can watch it over and over again.

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Two sageuks totally captured my heart and brain in 2021, Bossam and Red Sleeve. The former had me doing a deep dive into Korean history and the sorry fate of widows, even those who were princesses. Red Sleeve made me aware of the inner workings of the beehive that is a royal palace.
What I enjoyed most about Red Sleeve is probably not the reason for its popularity. Each female character had a well written personality, from the little band of friends and their mentor to the Queen dowager. Life in the palace was indeed very like that in a prison for the women, but some managed to cling to their dignity.
I highly recommend a website: the talking cupboard. In it I learned a great deal about palace protocols, factional strife and historical constraints due to the author's fascination with Red Sleeve Cuff. Her grand review of the drama is well worth reading.
Heck, I even started into Queen Hyegyong's Memoirs.
If anyone watched the behind-the-scenes clips of RSC it becomes very apparent that, while the actors were all top notch, the Director was THE key to making this drama come together. At first her constant laughing was annoying but soon I realized that she managed to keep the filming of a heavy story light and buoyant. It was a happy set and the production team really deserves a lot of credit.

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Wow, the talking cupboard is a great blog! I used to go there all the time to get some context when I watched my first sageuks. It didn't occur to me that they would do a write up about TRSC, but of course, it makes perfect sense. Thanks for the tip! 💚

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I'm so thankful to The Talking Cupboard for all the historical information it holds. I relied on it a great deal while I watched this one.

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