Finally an insight to both leads being the way they are. Did anyone catch the way Jae eon looked when Nabi mentioned his mother? Similarly, Nabi's reaction to her mom also explains a lot. Usually, people tend to follow in their parent's footsteps, and it's interesting to note that her mom seems to have the same behavioral pattern when it comes to men.

But wow, So Hee and Song Kang really turned up the heat in this episode and if we didn't know their characters are only fwb, we would have thought this was sweet. Still, Nabi knows what she's getting into and her heartbreak is no one else's fault but her own.

Na-bi and Jae-eon were being very domestic cooking and washing dishes. There's nothing wrong with friends with benefits as long as they both know where they stand, but Jae-eon and Seol-ah know each other best. It's clear why they stayed friends even after their breakup. If he were the marrying type, I could see Jae-eon and Seol-ah having a 'if we're not married by 30' marriage pact.

I waited all episode for puppy Do-hyuk. I assumed he was giving Na-bi his umbrella when he pulled out his phone. How sweet that Do-hyuk remembered her birthday since they were 13.

Friendships always turn awkward after friends sleep together if one person wants something more. I was hurt on Kyu-hyun's behalf when Bit-na replied, "See? You can't answer that" because we know he likes her. When Sol confronted Ji-wan on why she's upset, Ji-wan doesn't know neither.

I'm betting Jae-eon slept with the dude's wife. When Na-bi asked Jae-eon if he has any diseases, isn't it a little too late for that? A big thanks for the fast weecap, @missvictrix!

I agree with the two previous comments: Na Bi is definitely holding back and full of mistrust (not helped by the gossip which merely confirms what she has been worrying about) but Jae-un has remained an enchanting companion who gives absolutely nothing of himself that isn't really confined to the bedroom. If someone spent a night in my bed and then announced he was going off to have breakfast on his own (!) I would not be happy. I think this man is extremely damaged, and I think Nabi sees it too, but isn't it possible that this relationship could result in redemption for both of them? I am trying very hard not to see the White Truck approaching at speed..........but I think she must either go "all in" or get out of it. At the moment she is stuck in the middle. Why do we always assume that if the relationship includes sex, then the man is taking advantage and the girl being taken advantage of? It appears to me that Nabi is getting as much out of it as is Jae-un and to be fair, he's made no promises......in fact, he has been extremely clear. It's hard not to be on Nabi's "side" but there are two sides to every story. But the acting from everyone is marvellous. And the blurb said that it was "based on the cartoon" so whatever the story is, and from comments I'm taking it that the webtoon doesn't have a happy ending, it is entirely possible we could have a double-redemption ending, and they trot off into the sunset clutching a life-size sculpture of a naked woman under one arm, and a HUGE glass butterfly in the other? Isn't it? Isn't it?

At this point I feel that more needs to be known about Jae-un and his background. Na-bi seems to be growing sufficiently dissatisfied with the nature of the relationship and is coming to the point where the physical attraction is not enough any more. I am rooting for Do-hyuk!

I am curious to why Jae-un had to meet Seo-ha and at what place. Was it at a hospital, and if yes, who is ill?

A note about the professor, who is not very professional at all, but a nosy parker giving out bad advice! I do not see South Korea with a population of over 50 million as a small country. It is her mind that is small and on top of that judgemental.

-Ep.4 gave me post-nut clarity . After they slept together, I have been SO lukewarm towards Jae-Won T_T
-This is also the first episode I felt JE's character was inconsistent. Usually that happens in the case of 'bad writing', but I know there must be a reason why he's like this.
-Am I projecting too much when I say Nabi's longer periods of interaction with JE seem... empty and hollow? She seems to be stepping around eggshells, all the time. Almost as if she is afraid to be herself with JE. In contrast, the short scenes she spends with her childhood friend- the SML, are more... 'wholesome'? I think they also very consciously shifted out the romanctic 'sakura-filter' from Jae-Eon to Do-Hyuk :3
-The most unrealistic bit in a 'hyper-realistic' k-drama happened today. A 3rd year art student used Dyson hair styling tools and Charlotte-Tilbury makeup. Gasp! :O
-Bit-Na is like Jae-Won, except a more petty and hyper version of him. She's not sad or pensive like Sol, about the loss of a friendship with Kyu Hyun. Instead she acts out like a jealous 13 y/o sabotaging dates.
Viewers are focussed on the potato-versus-butterfly showdown in the coming episodes, but somehow I feel that's not the main point of the show?
-Nabi wanting the keep her relationship a 'nightly ritual' as opposed to a full-blown public thing.. seems to be more out of the need to want to keep herself safe from gossip, once the relationship would eventually break down.
-Also. Nabi can keep Jae-won in her toxic hell, meanwhile, I'll help myself to some Do-Hyuk (seriously, he stuffed potatoes into his hoodie?) <3

I keep coming back to the beginning of the series, with the surreal disconnect of viewpoints. You have Nabi stunned and shamed by her boyfriends reveal, you have the boyfriend smug and secure in his vision, and you have the onlookers judging Nabi based on their interpretation of the sculpture.

I feel this is part of what the drama hopes to accomplish- to give us pause before we rush to judge.. We, as onlookers, shouldn't be so quick to make judgements based on what we think we see.

The kdrama Jae-un seems a bit more sincere towards Na-bi and I am living for it! I am excited knowing that there is probability that the ending might go different than what I (and a lot of people) expected.

Love the fresh air Do-hyuk brings! A ray of sunshine in the midst of restlessness.

I don’t know why but I keep thinking about Jae-un’s pending butterfly tattoo eating flowers instead of leaves.

It seemed like each time Na-bi called out the ex-bf on his bs, the camera shot captured his entire face as opposed to the bits and fragments we got before.

That teacher really annoys me. She should pick one lane. Either encourage the students to date and experience love (in all its forms) or tell them to focus on their studies. She can't have it both ways.

This theory isn't based of much, but I have the feeling that the teacher is just jealous of NaBi because she finds JaeEon attractive, too. (I.E. she remembers JaeEons name at the festival.)

Another commenter mentioned that the soft and fuzzy filter from the scenes Nabi is with JaeEon is gone in the scenes with Potato Boy. That is such a subtle stilistic choice I missed it. It's a nice touch though, since NaBi admittet herself that the driving force in her relationship with JaeEon is her attraction to him.

Kind of like we never truly saw her Ex's whole face until she truly severed ties with him this episode. That last shot of him in front of NaBis place actually made him look really small and less imposing. As if he has lost all his power on her.

This week we didn't get many changes from the webtoon. The sidestorys aren't in there at all so everything related to that is new. The only storyline that changed slightly is that NaBi and Potato Boy meet earlier in the show. (But still on a bus.)

I rather like that. Now we can observe two different kinds of interaction and compare them directly.

JaeEons plan for that second tattoo really creeps me out in context of the show. A butterfly that eats flowers... in the webtoon he is portayed as a flower. And the girls around him as butterflys. If that isn't a metaphor then I don't know what is...

I am lost with Nabi. She keep on talking and running a scenario to herself on what could have been instead of telling straight to Jae-eon. In fairness to him, there are no promises made on what they really are. She can take what he served and go with it or call him out straight and ended it. Just like what Bit-na did to Kyu-Hyun. In returned, she got a taste of her own medicine.

This drama seems to be about Na-bi learning to make her own choices and trust herself. Maybe the gloomy way she talks about her attraction to JU has most people expecting something mean from him but he is just a person that avoids getting close to others and is sometimes manipulative with or without planning to hurt anyone.

Na-bi spends way too much time thinking about what JU truly feels without actually asking him or telling him what she wants. Most of the time she doesn't even know what she wants because she doesn't know how to ask that of herself, in this it's a very realistic show about a twenty something woman who is still insecure about her personality.

The gossip plot was a little strange, people would talk so much about a female student dating this guy just because he is known as a playboy? I know their culture is still very complicated for women but it seemed too much? If so many other students are chasing him why can't she date him? That professor being jealous of a student was also weird but it's possible she might detest pretty young women like Na-bi.

I get that viewers think poorly of JaeEun, but I think there's much, much more to him than meets the eye. I am firmly ensconced on the good ship JB.

Why would JaeEun get jealous if he didn't truly care for Na Bi? Why would he stare wistfully at Na Bi while Na Bi is speaking with Eun Han? Why would he stare wistfully at Na Bi while with Seol-a if Seol-a and JaeEun were actually romantically linked? Why would Seol-a suggest that anyone is Jae Eun's fate other than herself? Why would JaeEun risk kissing Na Bi at school if he was actually on board with keeping their relationship a secret? Why would he spend an evening caring for Na Bi when he could be anywhere else getting 'action' from just about any other girl at school?

I get the impression something traumatic happened forever linking Seol-a and Jae Eun, making Jae Eun feel guilty / responsible for Seol-a for the rest of his life, precluding any long-term / permanent relationships for him.

I think the title 'Nevertheless' tells us that even though the relationship starts out tenuous, there's always hope for something better for Jae Eun and Na Bi.

About the teacher, I wonder she meant that the artistic world of Korea is small and by that, she knows about Na-Bi's ex and the sculpture.

Na-Bi did nothing wrong but sadly, Koreans are not really nice with women and it could follow her in the future.

this Jae Eun sounds like my "friend" Stefan who says he is a lone wolf but dates 6 women at a time then leaves them after 2 months. he cant stik to anybody, alltogether had 19 girlsfriends this year. I guess some people are just like that but they will all end up drinking themselves to death. I have seen it happen to playboys a lot

“ she finds herself running into Jae-un at the subway station, completely by accident.” - really? Why do I think he planned this. Why would he be in the station where her mother lives. He knew her bday. She told him she is going to meet her mom. This coincidence was too bizarre and convenient. Every time he senses that she is backing off, he does the exact right thing to lure her back in.

I was a bit mad that the teacher chose to talk to her and not him. Its like acknowledging that reputation matters only to a woman. Men can get away with a casual relationship while women have to bear consequences.
Or was it a foreshadowing??

An excruciatingly long episode for me. I kept waiting for him to cheat on her. Every time she walked along that alley at night, I expected her to see him kissing some random girl. When Bit na was talking to all of them, I narrowed my eyes to catch secret glances between him and Bit na. Nabi goes to the convenience store and I'm looking at the mirror above her head, keeping an eye out on him making out with the art professor. See? This is what this show has done to me. Trust has been eroded. That sweet guy whips out the birthday cake and I go, Hah! Bet you baked one for your OTHER girl.

Found the physical scenes uncomfortable. The lollipop scene almost undid me --- I was terribly worried he would stick it into her mouth. And when she asked him, Are you clean? and he laughed it off, I was like, Show her the proof, you bed-hopper. She believed him...wow. For a girl with trust issues, that question of how clean he is was surprisingly glossed over.

Please.. Jae eon just wanted to get laid.. He was supposed to cooked Na Bi seaweed soup (instant soup on top of that) but he lured her again, got what he wanted, left Na Bi hungry because someone's calling. He does "care" huh.

And one more, the dress he gave was hideous.

I was thinking about this a lot during this episode... how Nabi herself isn't so clean cut. She set the terms for her and Jae-un's "friendship". She also kind of milked the attention she got from Eun-han, as I really doubt she ever had any intention of actually dating him. Not to say Jae-un isn't a weasel, but Nabi can be just as sketchy.

That being said, I think it's more part of her process of self-discovery. Who is she as an artist? Outside of the love of a partner.

And yeah, her prof is a huge d***.

Did anyone else get Navillera vibes during the dance lesson scene?

Question: Do any of you think Jae-eon saw Na-bi's ex's sculpture? I keep thinking that Jae-eon said he wanted to meet Na-bi but we don't know why. He later tells her he's "seen her before."

The reason I'm stuck on this is because I think Jae-eon is captivated by her but it begins from this pretty erotic and deeply personal space. The sculpture takes on this symbol of betrayal and we know Na-bi feels ashamed of it. I'm still thinking about why this starting point feels important.

Also, I think Jae-eon is fascinated by Na-bi because she challenges him, in the way butterflies can be hard to catch. She doesn't fawn over him like many around him do, and just when he thinks he has her, she pulls away.

Their relationship presents a challenge to both of them; both are conflicted over what they think they know. Jae-eon knows people like him and want to be with him but doesn't understand why Na-bi is hader to catch. Na-bi knows(belives) she likes uncomplicated relationships and doesn't understand why Jae-eon appears to be so complicated. In the end, I think they will both be moved by eachother but maybe not in the way they wanted. If I was Na-bi, I would learn from this experience and move on to Potato Guy.

Butterfly vs potato! I'm team potato all the way. Frankly the over use of butterfly metaphor in this show has tired me. Now can we not just have potatoes EVERYWHERE in this show?

When we first meet Nabi she is completely in love; yes, he's an incredibly exhausting control freak but she's fine with all of that when we first see her. Then, out of nowhere, he humiliates her in the most publicly possible way, by exposing to public comment a most personal, private and intimate side of their relationship. He is obviously older than she is, so even if she had doubts, she would probably never have misdoubted his take on the ultimate values in a relationship. Wow, what a cringingly awful humiliation!

Jae-un, on the other hand, is safe. She's been told every which way that he is a womaniser, that he uses and discards women in the way a butterfly flutters from flower to flower. He makes no bones about it - he isn't in to commitment, he wants a simple, uncomplicated sexual relationship. Love him or hate him, at least he's honest.

The moment he takes a step towards deepening the relationship, she announces, with equal clarity, that she doesn't want anyone to know that they are "together". That's her take on the relationship. He's a known playboy and she feels that for their relationship to be known will lower her status with all her friends. She's also pretty certain that although the sex is amazing, there probably isn't much more to their relationship than that. That's what she's telling herself, anyway.

This guy is damaged goods. You either go all in or you bale. You can't hang around in the middle, withholding the most important part of yourself, filled with fear and suspicion, or you are on a hiding to nothing.

He truly isn't a bad guy, he's a DAMAGED guy, and unless you can get through that steel protective wall, you are wasting your time. And his. To me, he is infinitely the more to be pitied because he's looking so hard for something to care about, she is trying so hard no to care. I cannot imagine what the catalyst will be, but something needs to happen which will change the whole dynamics of this relationship before the White Truck of Doom hits them both.

I think the show is being very careful to make sure to make Jae Eon's behavior ambiguous. The writers & director are working hard to leave enough space for the audience to interpret his behavior in multiple ways. Sure, he could be a straight-up d*ck who is using her for as long as he's enjoying the game; he could be sincere in liking her, but is reluctant to confess and make a commitment because of past heartbreak, or mistrust of other's intentions, or belief that people only like him because of his looks, or mommy issues, fill in the blank; he could be just as afraid as she is, therefore is constantly judging her behavior (just like she is) and in his own way being careful to not get hurt as well. The writing is such that any of these (and others!) is possible. I'm just along for the ride knowing at some point it's going to get ugly. I imagine the writer(s) is banking on many of us having been in Nabi's shoes: to be utterly devastated when our happy love bubble is burst and realize we saw what we wanted to see in our partner and ignored what we didn't want to see; then find ourselves in the next relationship constantly trying to perceive the other person's behaviors in an attempt to not be hurt again. Thus playing with us so when things are revealed--we'll learn about what our own judgments of the characters reveal about ourselves.
I too have been clocking how many times Na bi draws the line and defines what his actions/words mean, without asking him to be direct or clarify. Then there are the times she does ask him something only to interrupt so he doesn't answer out of fear of what she thinks he'll say. So I too think she'll get called out on it later down the road.
@peppermints, I SO am with you re: the professor! She shocked me the most this episode. She's been a jerk to Na bi from jump, on multiple levels, but--man! all 'a that about Na-bi watching her actions so she doesn't get a reputation that damages her in the future !?!!??!! It all screamed she's really talking about herself and projecting her shame onto Na bi. It was so vicious and manipulative, I wouldn't be surprised if the guy who punched JE is her husband. ...okay...that might be a bit too melodramatic, but her speech did feel like a primer for the punch.

#Team Do-hyuk
I was #Teamhoobae the last episode. But I like Do-hyuk way better! He's adorable and it was sweet that he remembered her birthday. It is wonderful to see Nabi open up around Do-hyuk, a stark contrast with the anxiety she has when she's with Jae-un

But basically I dislike Jae-un: he lacks consideration for Na-bi for not being directly forthright that he just wants sex/fun but not a serious relationship. I disagree with the comments that said he was clear about what he wants. I think it's quite the contrary. Na-bi senses it because of the lines he keeps drawing when she asks him about his private life, not because he's been direct and honest. Jae-un is happy to keep things casual because that's what suits him best. I don't feel like I need to know more about Jae-un, the drama has told us enough in the first half.

But at the end of the day, Professor-nim was right (though nosy). You are responsible for your own life. No one will look out for your interests. Na-bi needs to cut Jae-un out of her life. (If i had to guess the ending, Do-hyuk is the end game, but Na-bi will need a while to get over her crazy attraction to Jae-un)

I'm hoping the drama will follow the webtoon's ending. Looking forward to more of Do-hyeok and Na-bi's scenes. ♥♥♥
Jae-eon can stay as a jerk as he is.

The negative commentary on the 'seaweed soup' scene has me bothered ... and yet we learned that neither of them typically were provided 'seaweed soup' on their birthdays. The writers continually reveal bit by bit how Jae Eun and Na Bi are 'connected' emotionally ... and physically.

If you follow the dialogue: Na Bi is thinking it was almost the worst birthday ever, but now she's spent the day with Jae Eun. Jae Eun reminds her that 'it's the heart that matters' regardless of whether he's able to cook seaweed soup for her or not. Na Bi recalls it's been many years since she had seaweed soup. Jae Eun chimes in he thought everyone had seaweed soup but him, but he now feels more comfortable. Then, sadly, when Na Bi recognizes that he's opened up a little bit, he shuts down again, and reverts to the physical side of their relationship .... [sigh].

Both of them need to open up just a tiny bit.

Also, on the eerie reference Jae Eun made to getting another tattoo over his heart of a butterfly that 'eats flowers', note that he refers to it being the caterpillar eats the flowers (as do many, many bugs) prior to becoming a butterfly. There's a metaphor there.

So I binge watched episode 1 to 4.

The whole time, I was able to empathize with Na-bi's experiences and emotions. She is scarred and scared. Wish to be loved, but does not wish to bare herself out there first.

She definitely knows Jae-un will not be her happy ever after, but a girl can dream, and hope, and want. She is young, and at that stage of life, is willing to keep it casual even though the heart longs for more. In this case, both Na-bi and Jae-un are responsible of their choices.

I personally believe that Na-bi is merely reacting to Jae-un's behaviours. Her actions and decisions are just to keep him interested in herself, so she wont have to lose him so early on.

I might be wrong, but boy, the chemistry between Han So Hee and Song Kang is off the charts!