The King: Eternal Monarch: Episode 15
by quirkycase
We’re at the penultimate episode, and the tension is rising. Major sacrifices will have to be made to save the worlds and restore balance, and our hero is prepared to do whatever it takes. Everyone is ready to do their part and return to their rightful places, although that sadly means saying goodbye to some good friends.
EPISODE 15
As Tae-eul lies bleeding in an alley, her dad calls. He says he got her call and “beat up all those guys.” He hangs up when the police arrive to speak with him. Tae-eul passes out but is luckily spotted by strangers who call an ambulance.
Elsewhere, Yeong informs Shin-jae about his mom meeting with Jung-hye and asks for his help tracking Jung-hye. Shin-jae’s burner phone rings, and he goes to meet Rim whom he recognizes from when he was little.
When Shin-jae remarks on his agelessness, Rim muses that he thought he had tons of time. But “that was the first crack.” His baby nephew has now almost caught up with him. Shin-jae interrupts his rambling, and Rim cracks him over the head with a wooden beam.
It’s time for Shin-jae to pay up. The lives of his mothers depend on his decision. Rim wants him to retrieve Gon’s flute – killing him would be a bonus. Shin-jae defiantly claims he’s not that good of a son. Rim smiles indulgently at the lie.
Shin-jae remembers his battered mom in the kingdom trying to commit double-suicide by forcing them both off a bridge. Rim approaches holding her loan contract and offers them both a new life. She’s startled to realize he’s the supposedly dead prince but takes the deal.
At the café in the republic, Na-ri does a strikingly accurate palm reading for Rim. In olden times, he’d have been beheaded for treason. Thinking of his future self he murdered, Rim claims that fate has passed. It was foolish of him not to trust himself and go after Gon first.
Eun-seob interrupts their conversation and wants his palm read. He racks his brain trying to remember where he’s seen Rim before, and it suddenly hits him. Eun-seob grabs Na-ri and shoves her behind him protectively.
Rim pleasantly confirms they met that night at Haeundae and asks him to pass a message to Gon. He hopes to see him at his mother’s death anniversary memorial mass. If Gon doesn’t show, Rim will come visit Na-ri again.
Eun-seob goes to call Tae-eul, but Na-ri spots Luna in the yard. Thinking she’s Tae-eul (come on, dude, she warned you about this!), Eun-seob shares that Rim came by.
Shin-jae arrives and asks what the injured “Tae-eul” is doing there. His eyes narrow when she grabs the wrong side in feigned pain, and he restrains her. Tae-eul comes walking up and tells Eun-seob to look after the astonished Na-ri. When Luna speaks, Tae-eul punches her in the face.
Yeong joins Tae-eul and Shin-jae in interrogating Luna in a warehouse. They find her medication, and she confirms she’s dying of cancer. Tae-eul wants a private word with Luna, so the boys leave.
Tae-eul knows Luna could’ve killed her but didn’t. Luna admits she didn’t want to upset her dad. Tae-eul wants to know more about her since she knows so little. Time pauses as they each reach up in mirroring gestures to touch their hair.
Gon runs into the police station looking for Tae-eul. There are tears of relief in his eyes as he spots a calendar dated 2020. He’s finally back. Gon asks her team where Tae-eul is.
Outside the hospital, Tae-eul cries to see Gon rushing towards her. He grabs her in a hug (Watch the injury!). They’re both crying as she says that she missed him, and he apologizes for always keeping her waiting.
In her hospital room, Tae-eul is paranoid that he’s going to leave. Gon promises he won’t and lies down beside her. She’s happy he visited her twice in her memories, and he’s happy she hugged him. Tae-eul asks if he remembers what happened after that, and he nods.
She narrates that, unlike in the original timeline, she was quicker to believe his claims and travel to his world. Despite accepting her fate sooner, what was meant to happen did. The tragedy – we see the battle after she was kidnapped – even happened sooner.
Gon wonders if there’s truly no way to change fate. Tae-eul thinks it’s set in stone, and they still have a ways to go to reach their destination. After she falls asleep, he calls Yeong.
Yeong and Shin-jae come running. They confront him about their new memories, amazed he can travel through time. Yeong blinks back tears as he expresses relief that Gon is okay. Back to business, he reports that he and Shin-jae located Jung-hye.
Shin-jae requests repayment if he’s that grateful. Gon asks what he wants. “Your life.” Yeong throws him a look, but Gon guesses the truth. Rim must’ve threatened him using his mothers. Did he ask Shin-jae to kill him?
Shin-jae casually asks if he’d die for him, noting it’d be better if it happened in Corea where people could mourn him. Yeong looks at him incredulously as Shin-jae tells him to call when he’s leaving and walks away.
Yeong takes Gon to Jung-hye’s where Gon orders him to keep watch. Whenever Rim shows, he needs to follow him to his gate. Yeong, after having received a call from Eun-seob, passes along Rim’s message about the memorial mass to Gon.
Jung-hye returns home and stops after walking past them. She turns back to look at Gon and recognizes him. Jung-hye walks up, her eyes full of emotion as she gazes at the face her late son would have had. “But because of you, Ji-hoon died … And you’ll die because of me.” That’s why Rim has kept her alive.
Her guard rushes at them with a knife, but Yeong swiftly disarms him and holds him at gunpoint while he calls Shin-jae. Gon posits that Rim will take her to Corea for his mother’s death anniversary, and she won’t be able to return to the republic. He can help.
Will he save her? Jung-hye tells him to come two days before the death anniversary, then. Gon tries to apologize for what happened to Ji-hoon, but she doesn’t want to hear it. “Don’t die because of me. I’m not your mom.” Gon watches her walk away with red-rimmed eyes. Once alone, Yeong asks when Gon plans on leaving.
We cut to Gon helping take care of Tae-eul in the hospital. In voiceover, he tells Yeong he just wants one more day with her. Gon spends the next day by her side, going on walks, taking her to the chapel and doing PPL eating together. That night, Gon sleeps by her bedside. We hear him telling Yeong he wants time to say goodbye. Uh-oh.
The following morning, Yeong takes the twins to school for the last time and smiles at Eun-bi’s suspicious gaze. He stops by Eun-seob’s where they pretend not to be emotional about parting. Yeong asks what Eun-seob’s 65th dream is.
Eun-seob voice breaks as he says he doesn’t have one. Yeong calls his bluff and says he’s leaving then. Eun-seob: “Already?!” He jumps up and says he does. “Seeing you again.” Aw. Yeong stares at him, stunned. Then, he grabs him in a big hug. Through tears, he says, “Let’s meet again.” Eun-seob breaks down sobbing into his shoulder.
Meanwhile, Gon and Tae-eul sit outside. When Tae-eul says she wants to do all the normal date stuff they skipped, Gon starts to interrupt. But Tae-eul doesn’t want to hear anything about him leaving. She won’t let him go. “Let’s not save the world.” They can just focus on the present.
Tae-eul knows that he’s planning to go back in time to stop Rim from coming to her world. If so, she won’t remember him at all. Gon doesn’t see another way to fix everything that’s gone wrong from the worlds colliding.
“So tell me to go,” he asks her. It’s his first time asking for permission from anyone, but he can’t leave unless she agrees. Tae-eul tries to hold it together and asks him to say he’ll return no matter what after catching Rim. Gon embraces Tae-eul and promises he’ll come back to her.
Elsewhere, Seo-ryung foolishly tells Rim about her intention to steal Gon’s flute. His response to her plan is his favorite grab-’em-by-the-throat move. She failed to snatch either Gon or the kingdom, so her only path to survival is to find Rim a way into the memorial mass. There, he’ll announce the existence of parallel universes.
Time pauses while Rim still has his hands around her throat. Gon is back in Corea. When Seo-ryung comes to, she’s clutching a photo of Jung-hye, and Rim is nowhere to be found.
Gon returns to the palace where Ok-nam anxiously awaits. He thanks her for letting him go that night, and she tells him she understands everything. Later, Secretary Mo brings him up to speed and mentions that Prince Bu-yeong’s son Seung-heon is leaving in four hours.
Gon intercepts him on his way to the airport and reveals he’s the man who shot Seung-heon back then. He’s just glad Prince Bu-yeong never found out his son was an accomplice since he couldn’t have lived with it. Gon officially exiles Seung-heon from Corea for life.
Park Sook-jin is given a change of clothes and sent to the bridge where Shin-jae is waiting. She walks towards him in a daze, asking if it’s really Hyun-min. He steps back. She explains it was her only choice, and she’s sorry. Shin-jae’s voice catches as he asks if she let go of him on purpose or lost him. She replies she wanted him to live well.
He didn’t live well. Shin-jae wipes a tear and says not to get her hopes up or ask for forgiveness. He only wanted to see her once more and wake from his bad dream. This time, he’s abandoning her. She sinks to the ground and sobs at his retreating back.
Shin-jae has a meal and drinks with Gon at the palace. He thanks him for letting him meet his mom. Gon assures him she won’t be harmed, claiming their debt is settled now. When he asks which world Shin-jae plans to stay in, Shin-jae turns the conversation to Gon’s plan to catch Rim.
Gon intends to strike when Rim is choking him that night – his anger will blind him. Shin-jae wonders why he didn’t do that before. Gon admits he was focused on saving himself last time. Shin-jae is startled to realize he doesn’t plan to save himself this time.
If Gon succeeds, Shin-jae’s time in the republic will disappear since he’ll never meet Rim. He tells Shin-jae to make a choice he won’t regret. Gon says it’s his last chance to kill him. Shin-jae scoffs he should’ve poisoned his drink, making Gon smile. Does Tae-eul know his plan? “She can’t know,” Gon sighs.
Rim returns to Corea and sits for a meal with Jung-hye as his poison tester. After she tastes each dish, he takes a bite. Jung-hye begins laughing and vomits blood. With a creepy blood-filled smile, she notes, “You let your guard down.”
Soon enough, he begins coughing up a small amount of blood. Jung-hye remarks she’s finally getting to die like she’s been praying for. The “manager” comes in and begins preparing the injection, but time pauses with the needle stuck in the bottle. Rim can’t save Jung-hye this time.
Armed with his flute and a rifle, Rim heads to meet Gon. They meet on the street in the city. Rim cheated death, so why can’t he escape Gon? Gon responds that he’s got many others on his side wanting Rim’s demise.
Rim is determined not to let him get away, even though Gon messed up his plan to meet at the memorial mass. He aims his rifle at Gon and fires, but nothing happens. Gon reminds him time is paused. Rim is very over Gon foiling his plans, and Gon is likewise over Rim destroying worlds.
Time begins again, and Rim goes to shoot Gon, but he’s shot in the leg first. Yeong and Shin-jae flank Gon who takes Rim’s flute. They head to the gates and find that Rim’s gate won’t open for anyone else, and the same goes for Gon’s. But when Gon holds both flute halves, a new gate appears.
Rim claims it’s his father’s gate. Gon remarks the flute isn’t “crying” – there’s no sound. Rim changes tactics and says they should use the gate together, but Gon just wants to return to that night, which he can’t do without the flute “crying.”
Rim is astounded that Gon is eschewing “eternity and infinity.” Gon doesn’t need it; so long as Rim doesn’t have it, he’s fine. Even if Gon wants to use their gates, someone will need to escort Rim. Who will he sentence to death?
Yeong and Shin-jae fight over who gets to sacrifice themselves while Gon’s eyes fill with tears. He takes both flute halves and enters the new gate, wondering how far he’ll be pushed to go.
We’re back in the republic where Shin-jae has returned with a handcuffed Rim. Tae-eul goes in with him to interrogate Rim, bringing us back to the opening scene of the drama. Meanwhile, Gon and Yeong go to cremate Jung-hye’s body.
In the kingdom, Gon tells Secretary Mo to officially announce that Prince Bu-yeong’s granddaughter Lee Se-jin will inherit the throne. In the republic, the wilted flowers Gon brought Tae-eul vanish before her eyes. She goes to the station to question Rim. Who has the flute?
Rim rails at her for the stupid choices her side is making. She should be afraid. Tae-eul is afraid … that Gon will be lonely and their worlds will continue like this. Wouldn’t it be better for Rim to go there with her? She asks again who has the flute. Rim scoffs she’s learned nothing and smugly claims he’s “sent hell” to Gon and Seo-ryung.
In the kingdom, the news of Lee Se-jin’s death shocks the nation. She died in a car accident caused by the pregnant swapper. Seo-ryung reads the news and drops her tablet in horror at how Rim used her frenemy. She calls her mom in a panic and asks what she ate for dinner.
Her mom wonders if she hasn’t eaten yet. Seo-ryung desperately asks again, and her mom answers she ordered jjajangmyeon. (How is Seo-ryung the only one to think of using code words?) Seo-ryung throws her phone to the ground, screaming and wailing in grief and fear.
In the republic, Tae-eul uncuffs Luna and tells her to live a long life so her dad doesn’t suffer. What?! You’re going to let the unhinged stab-happy girl live your life? Tae-eul needs Luna to look after her dad while she’s gone for a while, but first she needs her to steal something.
Tae-eul calls Shin-jae to the warehouse and asks for the flute. She knows the plan is to hold Rim and bring him to the forest once the 48 hours are up. She’ll take him. Shin-jae protests she might not be able to return if she leaves, but Tae-eul can’t bear being alone.
Shin-jae finally confesses his feelings. She’s the only woman he’s liked in his whole life. How can he let her go off and die? Tae-eul clutches his arm when he goes to leave and begs him to give the flute to her. Tae-eul won’t apologize for not knowing how he felt. “If I say my heart hurts for you now, I’d be a hypocrite.”
Just like him, there’s someone she likes a lot. Desperate, she promises to return and make up for hurting him, so can he give her the flute? Tae-eul pleads with him in tears, saying she feels like she’ll die if she doesn’t go. This guy really can’t catch a break.
Gon dons the ceremonial outfit he wore when he brought Tae-eul flowers. He muses he received the mark on his shoulder so he’d follow his destiny. Gon goes to Ok-nam, saying she must’ve been lonely keeping both of their secrets.
The lullaby she used to sing him was in that book of poems he brought from the republic. He was afraid she’d return to her world if he asked her about it. Gon asks her to let him go once more. “If I let you go,” she cries, “are you ever returning?” He orders her to stay healthy and leaves.
Tae-eul puts on the necklace Gon gave her as he rides into the forest in his world. Yeong is waiting and insists on accompanying him wherever he goes, even if it’s somewhere from which they won’t return. They ride through the gate.
COMMENTS
From the beginning, I’ve had a feeling there’s no way for everyone to come out of this alive and intact, so Gon going the self-sacrificing route isn’t surprising. I don’t understand why he can’t use the new gate to travel to that night, though. Yo-yo kid said the flute, when whole, can facilitate travel through time and space. But Gon claims the flute has to “cry” to take him to that night … why? It’s not like it’s some indeterminate time he can’t find without guidance. He knows the time and date of the event, so shouldn’t he be able to go there with this all-powerful gate and a fully functioning flute? I guess only a sad flute will take him there. My guess is that the whole saving yourself thing works because the flute wants to save itself, so they’re trying to say he can only travel there if the flute is “crying” to be whole. It just isn’t a consistent enough explanation for me.
But then again, the whole Rim situation isn’t consistent either. Gon saving himself is something that happened in the original timeline. Since both halves of the flute are necessary to travel through time, that means Rim always went back to that night at the same time as Gon. Ergo, 2020 Rim should’ve known of his death. It doesn’t make sense that it was a new event that resulted in a new future version of Rim. It’d make more sense for them to be in a time loop, but okay. I’ve largely given up trying to make sense of the timeline stuff. It seems like they’re just using “fate” to explain away any logical inconsistencies, so it doesn’t matter much anyway.
We had a lot of goodbyes this episode, but Eun-seob and Yeong’s hit the hardest. Those two became like family, and I hope they get to reunite somehow. And yes, I’m ignoring that Yeong is heading into life-threatening danger. I have decided that he, Eun-seob and Shin-jae will survive. So there.
Speaking of Shin-jae, is it his lot in life to suffer continually? He really has had the most interesting and emotionally affecting arc throughout the drama. His mother and Rim upended his life without his consent, throwing him into a life he never asked for. I’m glad he got to confront his mom for what she did since he needed to move forward. Even if she thought she was saving him, she traumatized him and needs to account for that. Then, he barely gets time to recover from that before he pours his heart out to Tae-eul who begs him to help her go to someone else. Not that she did anything wrong – she’s entitled to love whoever she wants – it’s just sad for him.
I get that Tae-eul is desperate to help Gon rather than sitting around doing nothing, but her solution is to leave her loved ones in the hands of Luna? Sure, Luna has shown she’s fond of Tae-eul’s dad, but she’s still incredibly unstable. Plus, she’s committed violent crimes remorselessly. As a cop, it’s surprising Tae-eul is willing to just let her wander free among the populace. With the fate of universes hanging in the balance, I guess it isn’t the most pressing issue. Whatever happens, we’ve only got one episode left to bring it all together. Maybe we should just send Eun-bi in to sort it all out. She could probably whip Rim into shape.
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1 neener ~ Inside the Magic Shop ~
June 9, 2020 at 11:09 PM
Yeong went for the hug! He went for the hug! And that is enough for me.
I will riot if Yeong, Eun-seob and Shin-jae will not survive this never ending time travels.
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silverdrafts
June 10, 2020 at 12:49 AM
Yeahhh I'm more anxious about Yeong's fate than the main leads. Which I guess.... Oooops?
Ofc 1994!Yeong will still grow up and all, so it's not like we're gonna lose every version of him, but I don't want this 2020 version, who meets Eun-seob and becomes brothers, to disappear/be without those memories. Both of them together is simply too precious. And Eun-seob is waiting, you should not disappoint Eun-seobie, Yeong!
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kiara
June 10, 2020 at 6:29 AM
I'll fanfic Yeong-ah back to life if something happen to him. Unbreakable Sword must live!
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silverdrafts
June 10, 2020 at 6:58 AM
Are you on AO3, by any chance.....?
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kiara
June 10, 2020 at 7:10 AM
No.
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silverdrafts
June 10, 2020 at 7:15 AM
Darn, was hoping you say "yes". I'd look for that fanfic after watching the 16th ep, IF something undesirable happened instead.
kiara
June 10, 2020 at 7:32 AM
Let's hope Yeong-ah will make it so that you'll save yourself from reading the worst fanfic ever lol.
neener ~ Inside the Magic Shop ~
June 10, 2020 at 7:38 AM
I don't read fanfics, and in this case, I might!!
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Monica Dannenberger
June 10, 2020 at 2:38 PM
I write fanfic, and I'll most certainly read yours! I agree he must live!
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Fantasy101
June 10, 2020 at 8:36 AM
I think that was the most emotional scene for me in the episode. I don’t have a good feeling about Yeong’s fate as well 😢.
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neener ~ Inside the Magic Shop ~
June 10, 2020 at 9:27 AM
The fact that Yeong went for it when he's been reluctant and aloof ever since they met TT__TT
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isbjorn
June 14, 2020 at 7:11 AM
( @neener, re fanfics) Me either--but in this case I might not just read one, but actually write one!
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neener ~ Inside the Magic Shop ~
June 14, 2020 at 7:56 AM
Looks like the writer did one herself >.<
Miky
June 10, 2020 at 9:38 AM
I also almost screamed when Young went for that hug menaing sooo much more knowing his personality...My heart hurts the most for Shin Jae as i sthink think he has the most heartbreaking arc in the whole drama and continues from worse to worse if Gon prevents Lee Rin from going to South Korea...If Gon stops Lee Rim and dies along the way Shin Jae dies as well as for the better or worse back then Lee Rim prevented his Mother to make jump the bridge and die together...Shin Jae just can't have a happy moment,can't he with tragedy all over him...My heart hurt even more when he silently accepted his fate when Gon told him his intentions more likely tired...
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neener ~ Inside the Magic Shop ~
June 10, 2020 at 9:58 AM
I screamed with tears at that moment!
Shin-jae suffered all throughout the drama that he deserves a new drama as a lead that gets the girl! Full of fluff and giggles
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Miky
June 10, 2020 at 9:59 AM
YESSSSS i stand by this in front line!!!HE NEEDS a drama as the lead with MAGNIFIC happy ending!!!
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kakakash
June 10, 2020 at 5:13 PM
That hugs literally what matters most though
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2 mrsdimple
June 9, 2020 at 11:28 PM
I was more emotionally attached to the Yeong-Eun Sob farewell scene than the king-Tae Eul supposed farewell. I seriously cannot understand the time line/plot anymore and just watching this for the sake of finishing this drama. I was super confused till the point that I wish they put a label on each character and the current time line in EACH scene.
Such a shame that I didn’t enjoy this one considering I thoroughly enjoyed the writer’s previous work Mr Sunshine.
Anyway..one episode left! Let it be a good one. Or at least an ending I can understand. 😌
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Rose
June 10, 2020 at 4:11 PM
That's exactly my sentiment, I just continued watching this drama because of LMH & KGE, Yeong. The plot of this drama was very confusing and I'm having a hard time following. I don't want to analyze, I want to be entertained. The plot need of this drama need to be polished, hey writers! I'm talking to you!
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3 Mani-chan
June 9, 2020 at 11:31 PM
At this point, the timelines and time travel have left me with so much of confusion that I have stopped bothering to make sense of all that is happening. The onlly thing I know is that I will riot if they hurt Shin Jae any more than he has already been hurt. Kim Kyung Nam acted so well in this episode, I wanted to reach across the screen and give him a hug and tell him that I love him. Eun Seob and Yeong made my heart melt. This show has become a cesspool of confusion for me now and i'm angry and disappointed because I loved the actors and the characters that this show brought forth only to treat them this way.
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hannaehh
June 10, 2020 at 3:27 AM
Your first sentence is exactly how I feel. I’m just gonna watch the final episode this Friday and conclude everything. No more theories and all. I had enough.
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MeiDramaDreams
June 10, 2020 at 3:46 AM
My heart breaks for ShinJae 😭
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BlueCouchPotato
June 10, 2020 at 4:08 AM
And the entire saga of obtaining both halves of the Manpasikjeok ends up anti-climactic as well.
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4 Kaleidoscopic
June 9, 2020 at 11:33 PM
1) Gon better not die. I don't care what you all say, he is NOT dying. Besides, honestly, he managed to kill them all when he was alone. It would be bizarre if he doesn't manage to save himself when he has help with him, a super soldier like Yeong no less. Come on. He ain't dying.
2) That portal better not stay open. It HAS to close so that Gon and Tae-eul can move on to their doppelgangers in a better built romance. The show better not be like "oh! The portal's whole now! So he can travel between them without any restrictions and the romance continues! Happily Ever After!" NO.
3) Inferring from the couple of dialogues Rim was made to say when he saw the whole portal - so Rim's entire greed for
worlduniverse domination was born out of seeing his father operate the portals and, combined with his daddy issues, knowing that he will never be allowed to wield such power. That's why he went after the Manapsikjeok in the first place. Not cause he believed in a random myth but cause knew the power was real. I just- *heavy sigh* Things like these should have been there at the start!! It gives us so much more perspective into him and his actions!!4) That also brings me to what @imperialtitus had theorized. If Gon and Tae-eul, for some reason, get stuck in the 50s or something and he is the grandfather King who brought over Lady Noh....does that mean Rim is their son? And since he is illegitimate, does that mean Gon cheats on Tae-eul with someone else?! That would also mean that Gon's father is his son and his mother is his daughter-in-law and he is his own grandson and DOES THAT MEAN THAT HE IS DATING AND SLEPT WITH HIS GRANDMOTHER- omg my head's spinning. Yeah...this cannot happen. This better not happen.
5) Someone had actually explained, even before the time travel was shown in the drama, that the past wouldn't be changed in the same time-line. I had skimmed through it but they seemed to have good explanations. I cannot remember where I saw it, however. If anyone knows about it, please link it here.
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Mani-chan
June 9, 2020 at 11:39 PM
No. 4 made my head spin. I pray that is not the case.
I agree that Rim's motivations should have been introduced from the start
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Emperor Titus
June 10, 2020 at 12:33 AM
Let me explain, @minichan & @christina41218 ...
The timeline theory Kim Eun-seok is using is called Dynamic Timeline, which is every time you get into time travel, you change course in the past, let's say, you killed your grandfather, then you will not exist then, but you can still go back to your own present in one piece, just your not-family-anymore family members can't recognize you. This is totally illogical, so the screenwriter can do whatever in the pass to turn things right, just a short cut if she has wrote a very bad story. You can call it a rule-breaker (She did that before, when Goblin Kim Shin pull the sword out of his chest, and he still survive) or deus ex machina.
(This video can explain better, please do watch it: https://youtu.be/a89GNMCJaJU )
So if this is the case, Gon and Tae-eul certainly can go back to 1940's (not 1950's, because in their end-of-shooting photo you can see the billboard behind cast and crew is a French movie opened in 1939*), and what they have done can also change the future, like, since Gon (Should I call him Haejong from now on?) will only fall in love with Tae-eul, he won't have concubine or things like that, so he won't bore a son called Rim. So Rim will disappear in the future (and Gon's Republic alternative can survive). Since the second time Gon gets into the pass will add/undo what he has done last time he goes though time travel (Tae-eul's added memories at year 5 and 27 is the proof), so what they do will forever solve the problem, the flute won't even cut in two.
*I posted that photo in my own wall, link here: http://www.dramabeans.com/members/imperialtitus/activity/1072814/
Please also note Lee Min-ho's IG photos has hint as well.
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Emperor Titus
June 10, 2020 at 12:38 AM
Song Jae-jung's Nine (tvN/Netflix, 2013) is also using Dynamic Timeline, but unlike Kim Eun-seok using it as short cut to turn her bad writing around, Song intentionally using it to discuss the philosophical idea of Fate.
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Mani-chan
June 10, 2020 at 12:51 AM
Thank you for helping me out here. I'm so annoyed with KES because of this. This shortcut reeks of lazy writing
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Yn00na
June 10, 2020 at 1:59 AM
Speaking of dynamic timeline, have anyone watched Netflix's Travelers? Although they have significantly more time loops than TKETM, the rule of the world is clear and make more sense. They also have the life hijack component (not through doppelganger but consciousness implant). It shows that assuming someone else's life is not easy. Even if you look/talk exactly the same, you cant fool people close to you. It makes much more sense to me compared to Tae-eul's dad being oblivious that Luna is not her daughter.
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bk201
June 10, 2020 at 7:38 AM
Wouldn't it be closer to a multiverse, since changing the past created a new version of character-2020 (i.e. a new timeline)?
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Emperor Titus
June 10, 2020 at 9:56 PM
It's not multiverse, @bk201, because multiverse will create a new timeline separately from the original when a new event occurred, and in the new timeline, people will have that memory of new event right after it happens, not suddenly have that new memory of that event sometimes after it happened (or new phone record of Gon reporting someone die out of the blue, or new writing suddenly pops up right before Tae-eul's eyes in the phone booth), but they are the characteristics of dynamic timeline.
You can compare Terminator series with Back to the Future: The former is multiverse, the latter is dynamic.
Yn00na
June 9, 2020 at 11:50 PM
No.2: Lee-gon/Luna and Tae-eul/Ji-hoon for the win?
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Kaleidoscopic
June 10, 2020 at 12:04 AM
@ndlessjoie
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Yn00na
June 10, 2020 at 12:31 AM
Ahoy! Why thank you... Can I have some PPL's bubble tea instead? A side of PPL's chicken would be nice as well and I'll jump on your ship.
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mugyuljoie is preciousss
June 10, 2020 at 1:53 AM
We also have multi-purpose balm and pockets full of kimchi.
mugyuljoie is preciousss
June 10, 2020 at 1:50 AM
😂 It's working!
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BlueCouchPotato
June 10, 2020 at 3:51 AM
@christina41218 Heh, I'm throwing in some macaroons (yay, Jangmi!) with the tea and guess that when Tae-eul kisses Ji-hun, he obtains Gon's memories.
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HelenaCan
June 10, 2020 at 3:59 AM
This is the only solution that would make any sense. And why should we be upset? If Tom Cruise has done it in Oblivion, why can't KES do the same?
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mugyuljoie is preciousss
June 9, 2020 at 11:53 PM
I'm deeply concerned about your second statement and believe it violates the trust your crew has in you as the captain of the Luna Gon ship (we really need a better name). The portal can't close until Luna and Gon are trapped together for eternity.
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Emperor Titus
June 10, 2020 at 12:12 AM
How about LG Ship?
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Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
June 10, 2020 at 12:27 AM
Lunatic Goners ?
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Emperor Titus
June 10, 2020 at 12:40 AM
Oh my god, I love this one, @lordcobol!!!
mugyuljoie is preciousss
June 10, 2020 at 1:51 AM
🤣 and I'm not sure how insulted I should be.
KDramzFan
June 10, 2020 at 7:22 AM
This comment is everything I needed today.
Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
June 10, 2020 at 10:15 AM
Did nobody else think of "Goner". I've been waiting for weeks for a chance to sneak that into some comment.
mugyuljoie is preciousss
June 10, 2020 at 1:52 AM
Too corporate.
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Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
June 10, 2020 at 1:58 AM
If they're the LG Ship, then competing ship would be.... Samsung?
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Kaleidoscopic
June 10, 2020 at 12:13 AM
You are right OTL. I will reflect and come back a better person.
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Rebecca Smith
June 10, 2020 at 9:32 AM
1. I'm with you 100%.Gon will not die.
2.The portal will open again ,because Lee Gon and Tae Eul are "fated".Nothing can change that.The concept it's pretty clear in the drama.No matter what changes the time brings into their story,they will meet and fall in love.Time and time again.Lady Noh's story gives us the context in which TE can move to be
with Gon,without spoilling the balance.I'm surprised people are still confused about LG and TE' story.
3.Yes,totally agree.
4.I don't think TE and LG get stuck in the past but I rather think they are doing what TE said in ep 15.Travel,go to the movies ,the random things they skipped.There is even a movie poster in the BTS , "Le recif de corail".So they probably go to the cinema.Just my opinion,though.
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5 Lady Malfoy
June 9, 2020 at 11:35 PM
This drama and the plot lost me somewhere along the way. I enjoyed it in the beginning, but I no longer really know what is going on. By the end of this episode, I actually didn't know what was going on/why it was so dramatic. Yikes. I really only stuck around this long because I enjoy Lee Minho, so I'm glad it's finally ending.
On another note, I'm really rooting for Yeong and Eun-Seob to survive and be happy, because they are precious.
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Fantasy101
June 10, 2020 at 8:39 AM
You really have to watch each episode twice to get a better understanding, especially the last two episodes.
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Fish
June 10, 2020 at 12:42 PM
I do not believe this convoluted story deserves a rewatch. Merely watching it for the sake of finishing it.
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Lady Malfoy
June 12, 2020 at 5:41 PM
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JustPassingBy1
June 13, 2020 at 12:33 PM
I dont believe that people like you with such low IQ have a place in here. Maybe watch cartoons if you want a braindead storytelling. Sorry not sorry. I dont get why you find it hard to understand smh
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amruta1009
June 13, 2020 at 1:21 PM
So much talk about IQ when it comes to this show. What's your IQ? I want proof and no that online test you took doesn't count. Everyone thinks they are above average, lol
mindy
June 13, 2020 at 1:35 PM
I'm honestly laughing so hard
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June 13, 2020 at 11:29 PM
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kimsan
June 14, 2020 at 3:30 PM
Lol chill! You’re acting too defensive for just a regular viewer. Maybe you’re one of the writers!! Or the director? Or maybe you’re Lee Minho?! Omg! That explains.. lol
6 Kairoskat is on LUCY Island 🏝
June 9, 2020 at 11:37 PM
I just hope Gon managed to squeeze in some shower and laundry time in between his running and jumping between worlds.
If not...he probably smells so bad and poor Taeul's nose 🙊.
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Yn00na
June 9, 2020 at 11:41 PM
When he laid in hospital bed with Tae-eul, I thought it was weird that he didn't take off his jacket. It just didn't look comfy. But now I know it was because he's being considerate to her nose...
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Kairoskat is on LUCY Island 🏝
June 9, 2020 at 11:49 PM
That jacket is most likely smelly too. Maybe he sprayed febreeze all over before meeting Taeul to hide the smell after months of running around nonstop.
I have to say....his hair looks amazing for someone who has been running around with a cap on his head. His hair is not oily, and full of volume...probably that's a sign he did take showers in between. Hopefully.
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Yn00na
June 9, 2020 at 11:51 PM
Dry shampoo!!! What a waste of PPL opportunity.
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Slice-of-Life Dramatics
June 10, 2020 at 12:04 AM
I highly doubt so. He was wearing that black jacket with no diamond (or whatever) buttons for him to sell to get money to use for hotels facilities / bathhouses or febreeze sighhh.
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Fantasy101
June 10, 2020 at 8:41 AM
But, he did look very handsome in that outfit compared to some of the other things he’s worn so I didn’t mind.
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liar song #PuppyNotPuppyLeeJaeWookIsBack
June 9, 2020 at 11:44 PM
Imagine hugging someone who spent the last 4 months wearing the same clothes and not taking a shower. That's true love right there.
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Kairoskat is on LUCY Island 🏝
June 9, 2020 at 11:52 PM
But she didn't know the last outfit he wore before dissappearing. She might have thought he ran to her all the way from a public bathhouse...still smelling like soap.
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liar song #PuppyNotPuppyLeeJaeWookIsBack
June 9, 2020 at 11:55 PM
She should realize that it's the same outfit he wore when he visited her when she was 5 and in 2016...
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Kairoskat is on LUCY Island 🏝
June 9, 2020 at 11:57 PM
Oh...i forgot all that happened 🙃.
It feels like a dream~
Emperor Titus
June 9, 2020 at 11:58 PM
She even said that. His answer: "I have no money."
Fantasy101
June 10, 2020 at 11:30 AM
If it's Min Ho, I'm taking it, smelly and all!
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Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
June 10, 2020 at 12:29 AM
He said there's no time in in-between-land. He never said there's no Hilton or Marriott.
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Fly Colours
June 10, 2020 at 1:49 AM
Only because you're mentioning the lack of personal hygiene, shallow me very much takes issue in the absence of shower scenes in this drama 😔
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mugyuljoie is preciousss
June 10, 2020 at 5:31 AM
I've been waiting for this comment. 😅
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YY Chats with Toast Between Bites
June 10, 2020 at 4:41 AM
@leetennant tries her best to keep LMH's back freshly scented and aerated at all times. On a sidenote, @ndlessjoie and I are looking forward to your grand finale this Friday, LT. Fighting!
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mugyuljoie is preciousss
June 10, 2020 at 5:32 AM
Yes we are. Is it over yet? I really hope @leetennant makes a final appearance.
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YY Chats with Toast Between Bites
June 10, 2020 at 6:18 AM
@leetennant Expect a shower scene like you've never seen before. LT hydrates LMH's back with a steady, multi-angled flood of tears.
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mugyuljoie is preciousss
June 10, 2020 at 6:21 AM
I can't wait! I hope to see the tattoos too!
LT is Irresistibly Indifferent and reminded of the slow march of death
June 10, 2020 at 2:11 PM
*speechless*
Rebecca Smith
June 10, 2020 at 9:56 AM
I admit my first thought was " Man ,probably he stinks now." But I guess with time not flowing inside the portal,we can assume he was like in a "criogenic " state.All the bodily functions were on "pause".Thus ,no sweating .
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7 Yn00na
June 9, 2020 at 11:38 PM
At this point I have no more comments left to give on this drama and I have given up on plausible ending. I'm just glad the end is near and I can collect my year end bean. We deserve one Beanies!
I just want to give @quirkycase a big hug. It must've not been easy to put together coherent sentences with all the multiple doppelgangers AND the different timelines going around. My head hurts just from watching it and I don't even have to put them in words. So well done you!!!
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Fly Colours
June 10, 2020 at 12:13 AM
I'm still going strong and enjoying this, just want to join in in the shout-out to @quirkycase! Well done, this drama is bananas!
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Kairoskat is on LUCY Island 🏝
June 10, 2020 at 12:23 AM
It is bananas! So many characters I can't keep track or remember their names. Anyways...I had good giggles looking at Gon's lace and brocade coats in ep 15. Hihihi
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liar song #PuppyNotPuppyLeeJaeWookIsBack
June 10, 2020 at 12:23 AM
I really appreciate the hard work @quirkycase had put into recapping this crazy PPL-heavy drama that needs another WDH character. Without your recaps, I would be even more lost. We love you!
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silverdrafts
June 10, 2020 at 2:03 AM
Want to make sure I appreciate @quirkycase too, thank you for the recaps! You're such a gem, thank you for all of your hard work :D
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8 Kairoskat is on LUCY Island 🏝
June 9, 2020 at 11:40 PM
And...I think Shinjae is gonna die after that very direct confession, especially this late in the drama. Huhu 😢
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WishfulToki
June 10, 2020 at 11:12 AM
Nooooo!!! He's going to end up working happily ever after with Jangmi.
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9 liar song #PuppyNotPuppyLeeJaeWookIsBack
June 9, 2020 at 11:43 PM
I ship Yeong and Eun-seob so much, so when they hugged each other I also cried with them. Having 2 WDHs on my screen is an overkill and I am not complaining.
This show is still living up to its "Eternal PPL" name: there were 3 in-your-face PPLs and 3 subtle ones. I count the PPLs as a hobby. That gold z-flip looks nice.
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Kairoskat is on LUCY Island 🏝
June 9, 2020 at 11:55 PM
What is a gold z-flip?
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liar song #PuppyNotPuppyLeeJaeWookIsBack
June 10, 2020 at 12:17 AM
The one PM Koo used when she called her mom~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1KuJ3EpezE
I think it was a recently released variation. We are now on the Dramaland Generation of z flips.
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Kairoskat is on LUCY Island 🏝
June 10, 2020 at 12:36 AM
Uuu...i didn't notice the phone she used. It's so shiny. A perfect match for Eunsop's gold maserati~
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liar song #PuppyNotPuppyLeeJaeWookIsBack
June 10, 2020 at 12:45 AM
oOOOhHHH I now want to see Eun-seob use a gold z flip while riding his gold maserati~
Emperor Titus
June 10, 2020 at 9:49 PM
The phone is very expensive, @sensationalfantasy (CAD$1,819 in Canada)!!
Emperor Titus
June 9, 2020 at 11:56 PM
Yes, that's is the only scene I cried this whole drama.
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liar song #PuppyNotPuppyLeeJaeWookIsBack
June 10, 2020 at 12:18 AM
WDH can make me cry. But 2 WDHs can make me cry a river.
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silverdrafts
June 10, 2020 at 12:54 AM
I also sobbed a little when Yeong's throwing a smile at Eun-bi. It's such a sad smile, to me, like he's really saying goodbye for good (a.k.a. knowing he probably won't survive). And Eun-bi looks a bit startled there, like she knows there's something off.
Good, now I'm crying again.
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FormAnOrderlyQueue
June 10, 2020 at 3:14 AM
The thing that had me blubbing was Yeong dropping the coat to rush over to hug Eun Seob. In the end, all his perfectionist tendencies (which must include putting a cashmere coat down carefully...) were thrown to the wind in order to comfort a brother. Oh. My. Heart.
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ting
June 10, 2020 at 5:38 AM
Thought it was out-of-character for Yeong to cry went parting with Eun Seob though...
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ting
June 10, 2020 at 5:38 AM
*when parting
FormAnOrderlyQueue
June 10, 2020 at 5:55 AM
Yes, I know what you mean. However, I *think* the idea is that Yeong had to hang out in the RoK for the 4-5 months whilst Gon was catching up. I assume he spent at least some of that time with Eun Seob and the twins (let's face it, he didn't seem to have much else to do) and therefore *might* have started to become part of the family. He might have grown genuinely fond of Eun Seob in the end. Hahahah - that's a lot of assumptions and *wanting* it to make sense, which is dangerous territory here! But, sense or not, still loved that hug :)
silverdrafts
June 10, 2020 at 7:07 AM
Hm, not to me, actually. Yeong can be a softie, the way he describes his relationship with Gon is one example. Or the way he hesitates to tell Gon about his mom doppelgänger.
And in that scene, you can see him holding back tears. To me, Yeong just usually suppresses his emotions most of the time, but he's not incapable to feel. He usually reserves those emotions just for Gon, now I just realize, LoL
BlueCouchPotato
June 10, 2020 at 7:08 AM
It *is* out of character for Yeong, which really drives home the point that he's grown really fond of Eun-seob.
Fantasy101
June 10, 2020 at 8:51 AM
I didn’t think that was awkward at all, he has grown fond of his other self. What was more odd was that after not seeing Gon for over 4 months it looked like they both should have went in for the hug, after all they are like brothers. Also I wish they would have explored Gon and Yeong’s relationship a lot more and give us flashbacks instead wasting time on useless stuff.
BlueCouchPotato
June 10, 2020 at 7:41 PM
@fantasy101 My guess is that while the brotherhood between Gon and Yeong runs strong and deep, theirs is not the huggy sort. Yeong maintains his starched formality even with Gon, as they also have a professional relationship. Eun-seob is different and just that much more precious.
10 Emperor Titus
June 9, 2020 at 11:55 PM
I give up on making sense of this drama at all, so, just enjoy the show.
If you still didn't watched that short clip about timeline I posted last recap *using plotline of Game of Thrones Season 6 for example), this is the link again: https://youtu.be/a89GNMCJaJU
Obviously, Kim Eun-seok has chosen the most unscientific of all timeline theories, the Dynamic Timeline. This is what Back from the Future used, yet it is the most illogical. She choose this so that she can manipulate the future into her own ending. As a result, 2020 Rim was beheaded in 1994, yet he can show up in 2020 again. Everything now can be rewritten, including the love story between Gon and Tae-eul (which is rather faster to get into it, yet it is more logical then the original timeline). If you really want to do it, why not just take the second timeline to be the main story, with hints of the first timeline? That would be way more interesting, and a lot more logical (in an illogical way)!
So the time travel and the concept of "fate" has become short cuts for Kim Eun-seok to write a story that makes her rich. Well, the world is so unfair. She can just put in as much PPL as she wants, yet the characters are undeveloped, the story is undeveloped. I do feel bad for Tae-eul and Luna: their characters can make a great story of their own, yet they are treated badly. This is not "fate", but just the bad writing of the screenwriter, who is insulting our every sense of sanity.
Shin-jae's mom,turn out, does know the swapping. Yes, it is unfair to Shin-jae (his love get no answer from Tae-eul is another, I wonder if she knows that: she probably do). But who cares? Audience love happy ending, so Gon and Tae-eul must be happy. To fulfill audience such selfish wish, we are getting a crappy story. This is why I HATE happy ending. And in next time, don't say sad ending as a "bad ending", because bad ending can be very happy, but happy for what? Shouldn't Korean (as well us) deserve garbage by treating us with a handsome man with no acting, overwhelming kisses and some subtle bed scenes? I guess a porn movie will do just that too!
I think I have the theory about the ending now (I wrote somewhere in the comment of last recap. I guess I don't need to watch that anymore. I guess I would prefer care about Ji-soo and Jae-hyun now ...
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Fly Colours
June 10, 2020 at 12:20 AM
"why not just take the second timeline to be the main story, with hints of the first timeline" isn't it like that? That's what I understood. And I think there are still some things to be explained that must come from the third loop (video in Yeong's laptop, Gon's flower visit, explanation for Gon leaving the rowing competition entrance card in Luna's jacket, to name some just off the bat)
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Emperor Titus
June 10, 2020 at 12:47 AM
I think taking second timeline can make the story more interesting and much easier to follow logic-wise, @flyingcolours, and you don't need to explain those awkward turn-on love (I still think those interaction between Gon and Tae-eul laughable in this very episode, because their love has no base), Kim Eun-seok still have to explain the laptop and flower visit properly. However, I doubt if she can, no matter using which one as the main story ...
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11 Slice-of-Life Dramatics
June 10, 2020 at 12:10 AM
I love how the comments here are all... I give up on rationalizing anything in this drama, let me just finish the last episode since I've already spent 16 hours of my life on it. Oh and while I'm at it, let me just marvel at all the mundane things like counting the number of times PPL appears, rather than figuring out the main plot itself HAHA. Because that's also exactly me right now.
Ok but while I refuse to use my brain anymore for this drama (do not come and tell me only intelligent people understand the drama, go take a Mensa test instead of wasting your time leaving these comments for me)... I'm still just curious about Seo-ryung's mum not answering with their originally-agreed code word, and Seo-ryung's stricken expression at whatever she realized as a result. Is this scene supposed to tell us that the original events have been changed, such that her conversation with her mum on the codewords never took place?
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Kairoskat is on LUCY Island 🏝
June 10, 2020 at 12:18 AM
When I watched the PM-mum phonecall scene...I just thought mum forgot their codeword and PM was being so overdramatic about it 🤦🏻♀️.
I didn't realize her mum was swapped until I saw it on IG...days after I watched ep 15 🙃.
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June 10, 2020 at 12:23 AM
Wait her mum was swopped? The scene doesn't seem to depict so. Usually when the alternates are swopped, they still carry their own mannerisms etc. If Seo-ryung's mum were indeed swopped, why is her alternate looking, dressed and talking in the exact same way like her real mum (the hair and everything)?
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Kairoskat is on LUCY Island 🏝
June 10, 2020 at 12:34 AM
That's why I thought mum forgot the code and PM overreacted, because mum is exactly like mum.
But many are saying mum is swapped, which kinda make sense since the drama is swapping people left and right. Also it is said that eventhough PM is cold, she cares for her mum most. So...swapping her mum is to break her spirit or control her? But there's only 1 ep left, how will PM react to this new situation? 🤔. Will they make her crazy?
And...I didn't realize the mannerism of the other doppelganggers 😅.
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Slice-of-Life Dramatics
June 10, 2020 at 12:44 AM
Rim must be awfully busy then. While trying to track down Gon after realizing Gon is trying to go back to that fateful night in 1994, he can still manage to go to the Republic to find Seo-ryung's mum's alternate to swap her over.
The alternates are still themselves even after they go to the other parallel world. Like Seo-ryung's pregnant friend when she was swapped to the Republic and suddenly found herself not a rich man's daughter and had an abusive husband :/
Kairoskat is on LUCY Island 🏝
June 10, 2020 at 12:50 AM
But they never showed the Korea pregnant lady mannerisms in Corea. She was only shown in the hospital remembering numbers. They did show the rich pregnant lady reaction to the abusive husband and I just thought it's very normal for her to be shocked and scared. Rich pregnant lady wasn't swapped voluntarily. Huhu
Emperor Titus
June 10, 2020 at 12:54 AM
Seo-ryung's mom has been switched, because in Ep.14, she asked her mom when she question what she has been eaten, she must said mackerel, she said, this time, jjajangmyeon instead. One scene before, Rim just said he sent hell to Gon and Seo-ryung.
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June 10, 2020 at 1:01 AM
Yeah I got that her "mum" didn't know the codeword now, I was just wondering the reason for it. Because to me, the reason was not plausible that her mum had been swapped because her mannerisms were exactly like her real mum (the individuals retain their own personalities even after being swapped). So I was wondering if the reason was instead because the events were being changed. But I have just decided it's because the drama isn't consistent and is just illogical in itself in not ensuring that the alternates were supposed to act differently -.-"
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Emperor Titus
June 10, 2020 at 1:05 AM
No, the reason is simple, because Kim Eun-seok is GOD.
I will just settle with this, otherwise my brain hurts.
kiara
June 10, 2020 at 6:51 AM
Maybe mom didn't say "mackerel" on purpose to let Seo-ryung know that she is not ok.
If she had said mackerel, that's mean she was ok.
Good acting from Jung Eun-chae . I wish she was given more to do.
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WishfulToki
June 10, 2020 at 11:22 AM
@muggleping @kiara @katakwasabi If you look at the pic in the recap with her "mum" on the phone, you can see something dark and blurry in the foreground. It looked like a knife to me. Two additional clues:
1) Rim said he would send PM to hell. She's shown herself to be greedy and cruel, but she loves her mom. Losing her would be hell for her.
2) the "mum" did not answer with the code word "mackerel". Unless kiara's right, I assumed the poor nice lady has been killed and swapped.
Never mind that Rim's way too busy to be swapping people around, but if he's always been so diligent it should have been harder to take him down.
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Yn00na
June 10, 2020 at 12:23 AM
I think it means Seo-ryung's mum has been swapped with her doppelganger and possibly killed as well. Why? Just because :) Same as the many other sub-plots scattered throughout this drama that have no real relevance.
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Slice-of-Life Dramatics
June 10, 2020 at 12:25 AM
But if this was her mum's alternate, this alternate was dressed and talking in the exact same way as her real mum... which doesn't make sense. The drama has shown us that the alternates retain their own personalities and stuff when swapped, so there should be discernible differences if the alternates were swapped. But yes whatever... like you said, the drama is just inconsistent and full of loopholes, for the sake of it.
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Yn00na
June 10, 2020 at 12:50 AM
Why anyone could easily take their doppelganger place and hijack their life without being caught is one of the many plot holes of this show. Tae-eul dad not knowing that Luna replaced her daughter is not believable even if she pretend to dress/talk/act the same. But yeah, who knows of this drama logic :)
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Slice-of-Life Dramatics
June 10, 2020 at 1:38 AM
Exactly. Tae-eul's dad not realizing after so many days that it was Luna was just unbelievable. Almost makes me think Show wants us to think that he is a terrible dad -.-"
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kiara
June 10, 2020 at 1:01 PM
I thought that was explained in episode 13 at the Central Forensics Medical Center.
Coroner Kim Ju-hyeon told Lee Gon that there were 3 other bodies with the same burned scar all served terms in prison for parricide.
Lee Gon: Those that killed their counterparts and crossed worlds would get caught easily by their families.
WishfulToki
June 10, 2020 at 2:48 PM
I remember that too @kiara, and it makes me nervous for Tae-eul's dad.
kiara
June 10, 2020 at 4:08 PM
@wishfultoki
Maybe dad is growing on Luna. When TE asked her why she didn't kill her, Luna said that she didn't want to upset her dad.
I wouldn't worry Toki. TE also told her to protect her dad.
Since TE doesn't know if she'd make it back she probably arranged for Luna to get treatment so she can live longer and take care of her dad.
Also there is that possibility of TE and LG living together in the end.
I know it's all so convenient and a bit unconvincing because dad should at least be suspicious unless Luna is just that good of an actress..
I'm so done theorizing because it leads to more and more theories and questions etc.
blessingwind
June 10, 2020 at 12:47 AM
I was also so confused with Seoryung and her mom's Code word conversation. That was so abrupt but made me curious.
During this episode it made me realise that Seoryung mom must have been swapped. The way she said Jjajangmyeong and PM getting frustrated and angry. So did Lee Rim swap her mom so he can use her ?or was she the one who made this happen. That woman can go any length to get power. Scary.
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Slice-of-Life Dramatics
June 10, 2020 at 1:11 AM
I think Seo-ryung brought this upon herself by her own greed, and she didn't realize the depths of what she was getting herself into by getting involved with Rim.
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BlueCouchPotato
June 10, 2020 at 3:13 AM
Rim wanted to gain entry into the Queen's memorial, and wanted Seo-ryung to do that for him, and was using her mother as bait. What he didn't count on was that Jung-Hye had already warned Gon of Rim's plans.
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Kurama
June 10, 2020 at 1:34 AM
Lee Rim said he sent Hell to the Prime Minister and then the mother didn't answer the codeword, so the switch is the most plausible idea.
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ting
June 10, 2020 at 5:29 AM
On another forum, it was mentioned that the PM’s mother was being held hostage hence she gave the wrong answer so that the PM would know that something was amiss
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PakalanaPikake
June 11, 2020 at 2:01 AM
@muggleping Lockdown Hermit,
When Prime Minister's mother told her she had black bean noodles for dinner instead of mackerel, I understood the scene to mean that Mom is no longer Mom. Lee Rim has switched her.
There's no way Mom's ROK counterpart could have known about the secret password, unless Lee Rim had hacked PM Koo's "underwired for sound" listening device. I cannot see him bothering to do that. Lee Rim is dishing out the retribution for PM Koo's arrogance and covetousness of the flute and its powers.
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WEnchanteur
June 11, 2020 at 2:30 AM
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bk201
June 11, 2020 at 7:48 AM
“In this context, it is impossible for the timeline to have generated doopleganger almost systematically. “
Exactly what I was thinking. Even their family members are doppelgänger counterparts of each other world. That would be impossible as the variance between two worlds is too big.
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sirena
June 13, 2020 at 8:30 AM
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12 Kairoskat is on LUCY Island 🏝
June 10, 2020 at 12:14 AM
I find Shinjae's memories quite weird. He seems to have different sets of memories. He remembers being bedridden as a kid (did they drug him and force him to act? 🤷🏻♀️). He remembers being picked by Rim in front of a TV store....the recent memory is him and Corea mum being threatened by Rim and mum agreed to follow Rim's plan. As much as I like KKN acting Shinjae's complexity, I find that the inconsistencies(?) of his past makes me unable to immerse in Shinjae's arc. He has so many things going on for him. Huuu
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Fly Colours
June 10, 2020 at 12:22 AM
From what I remember, Shinjae doesn't remember being bedridden, he remembers waking up in hospital bed
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June 10, 2020 at 12:27 AM
Ohh..you're probably right about the hospital. Hohoho.
But what about his first meeting with Rim. Is it in front of the TV store or the one with mum in ep 15?
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Fly Colours
June 10, 2020 at 1:10 AM
Yes, thought that was weird too. Apparently, the first meeting was on the bridge, and then mom left him in front of TV shop after the deal was done... The bridge scene was a bit overkill, wasn't it? But then it prepared the scene for Shinjae meeting her again, and that was heartbreaking. KKN really kicked the ball out of the park this episode. This is a drama where you can really tell the difference when the lines are in the hands of capable actors... KKN, KGE and WDH are really shinning in this
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silverdrafts
June 10, 2020 at 2:13 AM
Read somewhere that the drama description was "...solving crimes between both worlds."
And, well, I wish that is the drama. More on the bromance (with badass Tae-eul, ofc) and police-royal guards teamwork, less time-travelling mumbo jumbo.
Totally feel for Shin-jae, the way he says, "I didn't live a good life." is simply heartbreaking. Oooof. (And don't get me started on his confession scene.)
BlueCouchPotato
June 10, 2020 at 6:51 AM
@silverdrafts Yes, I clearly remember the original description of the series, and even now the trailer on Netflix says, "God released the devil into the human world and the devil opened portals between parallel worlds." So yeah, that wasn't a dream.
WishfulToki
June 10, 2020 at 11:28 AM
I was so mad at his mom for trying to throw him over the bridge, while the poor kid wailed and clung to the rail. Suicide? I'm no lawyer, but that would be homicide in my books.
silverdrafts
June 10, 2020 at 7:52 PM
Yep, it's so messed up, @wishfultoki. Glad Shin-jae deals with it realistically, not being a saint and just be able to forgive his mother for parental abuse.
Though, his Mom clearly was feeling completely hopeless years ago at the bridge, and we have no idea how bad was it for Mom (other than her debt was due soon) and how long they had been struggling. Suicidal thoughts can be prevented with some support and mental health counseling, but they both just encounter Rim instead, it's so sad.
Kurama
June 10, 2020 at 1:11 AM
Memories don't came back in good order when you live something tramatic. He always thought that the scene where was picked by Rim was a dream he had during his coma and he did a lot to become like Shin Jae, like smiling. After he knew it was not a dream but a real scene, I guess more memories came back.
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Fly Colours
June 10, 2020 at 1:40 AM
Gaslighting him into believing that his past life was a dream, his desire to fit in when in his gut he knew that that wasn't his life... Poor kid! Can't think of a more cruel thing to do to a child. Shinjae is the real tragical character in this drama
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Fly Colours
June 10, 2020 at 2:17 AM
By the way, they brought back SJ's psychiatrist to transfer his double. Will she still have a role in this? So little time and so many loose threads 🤔
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WishfulToki
June 10, 2020 at 11:32 AM
We didn't even get to see if her doppelganger was Se-jin LOL.
And @katakwasabi, what did you make of the pregnant lady's storyline? After all that, her function in this story to cause a car crash? What's worse is that I don't even know if the person involved in the car crash was the Corea pregnant lady who "would do anything" to go back to her life, or the doppelganger who's already in the kingdom. 🤦
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Ashes2Ashes
June 10, 2020 at 11:41 AM
This is the burning question I need answered 😂. Did we see all those scenes of swapper and socialite just coz Rim wanted someone who can travel to US to cause the accident? also why offer the real socialite a way back after they went through all the trouble to swap her out??? Swapper or not, how the heck did they convince the pregnant lady to get into and crash the car..if they both had anything in common, it was the love for their respective unborn children. So how?????Also why???????
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Edgar Pordwed
June 11, 2020 at 12:17 AM
Also Koo Eu-na's mother agreed to switch when her daughter is dead?
WishfulToki
June 11, 2020 at 6:48 AM
@edgarpordwed Maybe out of revenge because her daughter was killed? (That is, assuming the mom looked the same). Who knows.
I stand by my opinion that people decide to murder and steal someone's life very easily in this drama. It's a scary view of human nature.
kiara
June 10, 2020 at 1:21 PM
We don't even know what Se-jin looks like to compare.
She didn't even look like any of uncle Buyeong's children on the picture.
The pregnant lady story line was a waste. It made no impact that she crashed into a faceless character we didn't even care about.
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WishfulToki
June 10, 2020 at 1:59 PM
*nods in agreement and keeps eating jam and bread*
Kairoskat is on LUCY Island 🏝
June 11, 2020 at 3:12 AM
Pregnant lady was wasted talent. She could have been more, be a direct threat to PM or something. But they made her be involved in a car crash abroad with a faceless character...why bother? She's supposedly not even allowed to travel because she's about to give birth. And did she die in the accident? I guess it's good exposure for Park Ji Yeon, hopefully she gets a meatier drama role, she can act. I felt for her when she pleaded to be saved and will do anything to get her life back.
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kiara
June 11, 2020 at 6:27 AM
Stage actors are always a pleasant addition to any drama.
I hope to see Park Ji Yeon in more dramas. I didn't know who she was until few years ago when she played Eponine .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OcpVuV9gxQ
Ock Joo-hyun is my musical queen but she is in demand on stage so the chance of seeing her in a drama is pretty low.
Her leading men are doing well on screen though.
WishfulToki
June 11, 2020 at 6:49 AM
Wasted talent and waste of my brain cells. It's not even clear if she died in the car crash and where the other pregnant lady is. Aigoo.
Kairoskat is on LUCY Island 🏝
June 11, 2020 at 7:15 AM
@kiara I'm not familiar with PJY in dramaland. I learned about her because she's in Rebecca~ She is one of the actresses who play 'I', Ock Joo Hyun plays Mrs Danvers and RH is Maxim 😆https://www.instagram.com/p/B6Sheprp8RT/?igshid=1m7pmp9v499q4
And here's a clip of her singing from Rebecca: https://youtu.be/4R1gofP8suc
Kairoskat is on LUCY Island 🏝
June 11, 2020 at 7:28 AM
@wishfultoki yeah...i don't think we will see her again. And looks like I'm right she did end up being pregnant until the end. Hahaha.
Anyway...How long is her pregnancy? The first time we met her, her belly was already big, so maybe late 2nd trimester?....and that was in sept? Oct?...now it's april....i think they forgot that human pregnancy is 9 months only 🙃.
13 Mita
June 10, 2020 at 12:30 AM
What’s PPL?
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Yn00na
June 10, 2020 at 12:38 AM
PPL = Product Placement. One of the many joyful elements of modern television :)
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blessingwind
June 10, 2020 at 12:41 AM
This drama just overused that and it was so in-the-face manner. I have eyerolled so much in these scenes😑😑
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Kairoskat is on LUCY Island 🏝
June 10, 2020 at 12:52 AM
Hihihi. PPL is good~
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blessingwind
June 10, 2020 at 12:39 AM
Product Placement. Simply means advertising a product/service on screen. This drama has more PPL than the the interactions between the characters and would fill 90% of the pages in the script.
PPL in this drama :chicken, kimchee packet, swiss roll cake, Na Ri's cafe etc.
Even Maximus is a PPL
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Kairoskat is on LUCY Island 🏝
June 10, 2020 at 12:53 AM
Fyi...everything on screen is PPL. The set, the dining table, chairs, plates...eveything is PPL and this applies to all dramas 🤭
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Fly Colours
June 10, 2020 at 1:18 AM
Don't forget the clothes!! kdrama_fashion Instagram account has been doing this drama!😍
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Kairoskat is on LUCY Island 🏝
June 10, 2020 at 1:33 AM
Yes...a drama is basicly a long understated ad for lots of things. Once in a while there comes a drama that is obviously an ad...like Eternal Monarch hehehe 😆.
kiara
June 10, 2020 at 1:31 PM
Right, they were all walking advertisement. Everything that the leads wore and especially Jung Eun-chae (Seo-ryung). She was a former model.
I love those winter coats and it's cheaper to buy winter coats during summer lol.
Yn00na
June 10, 2020 at 2:43 AM
Wait, Maximus is a PPL???
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Jingbee
June 10, 2020 at 10:25 PM
Definitely, and I normally do not mind the PPLs - they obviously have to make more money, but this drama just went over the top with it. I remember commenting that this drama could actually be cut into probably 8 to 10 episodes, or it could have had more depth if the PPL scripts were removed and replaced with more scenes related to the actual plot.
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14 blessingwind
June 10, 2020 at 12:35 AM
I have a very bad feeling that Yeong is gonna die. I was so emotional seeing Yeong and Eun Seob's farewell hug. WDH is on another level. Two very different emotions and personalities shown from one actor. That is incredible.
My heart went out for Shin Jae. Poor guy. He is cursed with complicated family issues and one sided love. I just wanna hug him tight. He needs a happy ending, but i cannot guarantee that the writer will make thst happen.
I think the might be a chance of reincarnation trope being added later in the final episode if supposedly Tae-ul and Gon both dies together. It is just my guess.Let the final battle begin.
I loved the moments between Tae-ul and Lee gon in this episode. The way he hugged her so tight ( well i was worried for her injury though) and how she bawled like a baby. Man that was so emotional. But i still dont understand how a tough girl like Tae-ul went on to become like this emotional rollercoaster Tae-ul in few episodes. I really wished their interactions were written well in the earlier episodes.
The part were Lee Gon feeding Tae-ul and him laughing seems like an ad-lib part😂. It was like LMH and KGE having fun. I seriously enjoyed that scene. Would be my favourite PPL from this PPL kingdom drama.
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Fly Colours
June 10, 2020 at 1:21 AM
Gon-TE interactions this episode! I liked the hug and neck kiss thing in ep 12, but this is the first episode that I really FEEL their relationship, they were so cute!
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MeiDramaDreams
June 10, 2020 at 4:09 AM
We have all the tropes thrown in along with references to legends, folk tales, time travel... I have reincarnation at the back of my mind as well. I won’t be surprised since KES likes infusing that in her dramas.
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BlueCouchPotato
June 10, 2020 at 4:14 AM
Or an answered prayer. Gon and Tae-eul pray in the church, and what I suppose is a hospital chapel.
Along with a gift from Fate.
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MeiDramaDreams
June 10, 2020 at 4:25 AM
Right, let’s throw those into the bag too because why not? 😅. We already have a patchwork of everything in it. Maybe that will spare us from the finale headache and heartache 😩
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Rebecca Smith
June 10, 2020 at 9:47 AM
Christ's death on the cross and resurrection comes now to mind,in regards to Lee Gon.He will rise up triumphant,I'm 100% sure now.This will be the reward for his selfless atitude.Sacrificing his life for both worlds.And he gets to be with TE .
Yeong joining Lee Gon at the end of ep 15 reminded me of apostle Peter's words: " Lord,I will go with you even to prison and to death"
Lee Lim is the devil,who wanted to be like god.And because of this he was thrown down from heaven.
And asking Gon to go into infinity and eternity with him ,sends me thinking about satan tempting Christ 🙈🙈🙈🙈
OMG, KES is really something! No wonder she messed up the whole story.Too many elements brought together .
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kiara
June 10, 2020 at 1:49 PM
Not to make light of religion beliefs but I really thought those rise beer was kind of perfect?
The camera zoomed in on it after Lee Gon collapsed from Luna's poison.
Maybe I need to stop here before I get into trouble lol.
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Rebecca Smith
June 10, 2020 at 3:47 PM
I didn't even notice that .LOL
KES is good at giving symbolyc hints.But she overused it in this drama 🙈🙈🙈
PakalanaPikake
June 11, 2020 at 2:31 AM
@kiara,
I noticed the Rise beer, too. (But using it to slip a mickey to Gon is not the greatest PPL. Yikes.)
Or they could have used whiskey, which means "water of life" in Gaelic. That phrase also refers to Christian baptism and rebirth into everlasting life.
Whiskey and chicken is not a thing, however. ;-)
kiara
June 11, 2020 at 1:16 PM
@pakalanapikake
I want that "water of life" for the next episode then LOL.
Whiskey and fried chicken can be new thing.
I'm thinking of getting half and half from our local Korean market. So yummy with the spicy red sauce.
PakalanaPikake
June 11, 2020 at 8:31 PM
@kiara June 11, 2020 at 1:16 PM
I hope you've supplied yourself with a fifth of Jameson's because I think we're all going to need to hit the bottle while watching the finale. ;-)
If the spicy chicken is too incendiary, colcannon ought to help damp it down. ;-)
kiara
June 11, 2020 at 8:43 PM
@pakalanapikake
I need a Lee Gon in my life to cook it for me lol.
I've had colcannon before with corned beef at a friend's house but I haven't learn to make it.
Can you tell that I'm not a drinker? LOL
I don't even know what goes well with what except beer and fried chicken.
15 BlueCouchPotato
June 10, 2020 at 1:16 AM
Thanks for the recap, @quirkycase
So now Episode that I thought I've prepared for and it still breaks my heart. You hear that, Show? After taking all my brain cells, you went after my heart too!
And the one that hit the most was Yeong's farewell with Eun-seob and the twins. Yeah, Yeong probably knew Eun-bi will still kick his shins, but wouldn't exchange it for the world. Yeong finally felt what it's like to have siblings and a family, and Eun-seob had an "older brother" who believed in him and brought out his strengths. "Let's meet again someday," and that impulsive hug is proof that bromances can run deeper than romantic pairings. And this entire scene is the work of one tremendous actor - Woo Do-Hwan once again delivers a powerhouse performance, subtle yet intense.
Lady Noh had me in tears as well, almost like a mother sending her son off to a war he may not survive. The subtle revelation that Gon knew all along Lady Noh's secret and that the poetry book was a gift had a sweet poignancy that shows us just a little more to Gon's character.
I still have a few WTH moments, but I'd rather focus on the WDH and KKN moments 😉 Special shoutout to an lovely scene of our Scooby gang, Gon, Yeong and Shin-jae.
That final scene... heaven help me. WDH switches from caring friend to fierce warrior. Our beloved Unbreakable Sword delivers on a lifelong promise to a friend. May we all have that friend who will tell us that you don't need to fight alone 🥺
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Fly Colours
June 10, 2020 at 1:25 AM
Scooby-gang, yeah! I squeed when I saw them doing their power strut, Yeong holding is gun and SJ putting on his Republic of Korea totally useless but cool ID
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Kurama
June 10, 2020 at 1:27 AM
I was curious how they got there when technically they were frozen too :p
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BlueCouchPotato
June 10, 2020 at 1:39 AM
@flyingcolours, @kurama From what I can see, they're actually in ROK (there's the concert hall that Rim usually passes by).🤔
My theory of how they got there is that if you're a "passenger" during the crossing, you're not affected by the time stop until the cycle is completed. Yeong fires the gun shortly after time moves again.
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Fly Colours
June 10, 2020 at 1:58 AM
Ooooh, they're in RoK! Didn't catch that one.
About the time freeze and the shot, I just thought that it was a set-up: Gon was there waiting for Rim and keeping him in place; SJ and Yeong were in the background, frozen but already prepared to shoot as soon as the time-freeze ended
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silverdrafts
June 10, 2020 at 1:56 AM
I beg to differ, @flyingcolours. They're in RoK, so Shin-jae just casually puts his police badge so no one will report them to his fellow law enforcement buddies. He's saying, "Stay out of this, it's been taken care of."
And ditto, THAT is the teamwork that I want few eps ago. The bromances are too strong, I totally approve! I love all the bromances, actually: between 3 of them, LG-JY, and ofc, JY-ES, JY-SJ, even the talk between SJ & LG.
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Fly Colours
June 10, 2020 at 2:05 AM
That actually makes sense! Thought it was the Kingdom, but of course it's RoK... I was actually wondering about public opinion in the Kingdom, where the king vanishes for long stints and suddenly shows up shooting and slashing people on the streets 😂
P.S.: Yes to bromance in all forms
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silverdrafts
June 10, 2020 at 2:23 AM
Yeah, first time I watched it, I instantly thought that they're in KoC also. Tricky business, indeed.
LoL, people in KoC might get used to it. After all, the King had done it for the future Queen earlier.
Fly Colours
June 10, 2020 at 2:38 AM
Been racking my brain and now I know why I thought they were in the Kingdom: Rim was getting prepared for the memorial ceremony, he took a gun and left his sword-umbrella. I just assumed the concert hall they were standing in front of was the ceremony site (now that I know it's a concert hall, of course it doesn't make any sense... The ceremony should take place in the palace,or in a church/temple, right?)
BlueCouchPotato
June 10, 2020 at 2:55 AM
Secretary Mo does explain that they've put out the PR that the King was privately mourning Prince Buyeong, hence his prolonged absence.
Even if he's in KOC when they do the Scooby Strut (heh!), seems the King is so beloved the people would probably be happy just to see him out and about.
WishfulToki
June 10, 2020 at 11:40 AM
@flyingcolours You're not the only one. I also thought they were in the Kingdom, and that Rim was hanging out in a villa until the memorial mass. The color filter also suggested we were in the Kingdom, but after going back and forth so quickly in a matter of a few scenes I don't know (and don't care anymore).
The highlight of this moment was Shin-jae casually putting on his ID, as if he's arresting Rim in the name of the Republic, regardless if they are in Korea or Corea.
MeiDramaDreams
June 10, 2020 at 4:19 AM
Aaah this is too funny. I don’t remember anymore from all the back and forth where they were and didn’t care all that much just because that scene with Yeong and SJ coming up from behind was so cool 😂 Thanks for pointing it out though!
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silverdrafts
June 10, 2020 at 4:26 AM
Haha, yeah, I could identify they're in RoK because I was busy analysing every move that Shin-jae makes. That's the reason of my eagle-eye-ness. Just that, yep.
BlueCouchPotato
June 10, 2020 at 4:29 AM
@mei123db LOL! 😂 I was lovin' that scene so much I willingly ignored the fact that Rim was shreiking *aiming* with a shotgun at point-blank range, while Yeong can shoot an obstructed target from about 50 meters away.
silverdrafts
June 10, 2020 at 7:11 AM
Sssssshhhhh, let's just roll with it, Yeong has been established to be the best of the best. I mean, he's still so young and is a Captain of the Royal Guards already, ergo, best of the best, amirite?
sirena
June 10, 2020 at 9:38 AM
""Let's meet again someday," and that impulsive hug is proof that bromances can run deeper than romantic pairings. And this entire scene is the work of one tremendous actor - Woo Do-Hwan once again delivers a powerhouse performance, subtle yet intense."
Their relationship has gone through a lot of growth. Woo Do-Hwan is indeed a wonderfully gifted actor. I cannot wait to see him in another great project.
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silverdrafts
June 10, 2020 at 9:49 AM
He's been offered the lead role of "Hero", OCN drama, btw: https://www.soompi.com/article/1405861wpp/woo-do-hwan-offered-lead-role-for-his-next-drama-after-the-king-eternal-monarch
Never heard of the scriptwriter. Is she good? I'm hoping for a good script for him, he clearly deserved it.
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silverdrafts
June 10, 2020 at 9:52 AM
*deserves 😂
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BlueCouchPotato
June 10, 2020 at 10:32 AM
I read about that too. WDH has had lead roles before, but not quite yet on the mainstream level and I'm really glad he is getting the recognition he deserves. I hope he has enough time to work on the project before he goes for military duties.
The scriptwriter seems to be a fairly new one and the reviews on the work quality, so far, are divided. The premise of the project seems quite interesting, though.
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sirena
June 10, 2020 at 11:33 AM
@silverdrafts I saw the article. Hopefully this is a good one!
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16 Kurama
June 10, 2020 at 1:26 AM
Honestly, I'm kinda disapointed by Ta Eul. Because I wasn't invested in the love story, I found her choice to give up her life so easily pretty weird. Luna and her have the same face but it's all. They don't have the same personality at all. How she would react if someone tell her to love Lee Gon's dopplegänger because he died? She would accep so easily? It's what she did to her father and colleagues.
It wasn't really fair for Shin Jae. He had to accept that all his life in ROK will be erased, his other choice being killing the King, he had to be the one TE confronted for the flute because Lee Gon left without telling her the truth, he tried to save her by confessing. Honestly SJ-TE's scenes are more natural than TE-LG's scenes that are very artificial. His scene with his mother was so sad. He really lost to the parent lottery in KOC and in ROK...
The goodbye scene between Yeong and ES was really good. They influenced each other :)
I liked how Song Jeong-Hye accused Lee Gon to be responsible for the death of her son. The Royal family had a big power they failed to protect and it caused the death of a lot people in ROK and KOC.
I think they should have taken more time to prepare this drama. The editing really killed the story, they focused on the wrong characters like the pregnant woman, Song Jeong-Hye, the PM, etc. at the end their place in the story is really minimal but added a lot of confusion.
And to finish, who is Solitude?!? I want to know !
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Fly Colours
June 10, 2020 at 1:34 AM
"The goodbye scene between Yeong and ES was really good. They influenced each other :)" felt the same too, heee! ES is turning into a badass, and Yeong into a softie. Or maybe they were like that all along, but these sides of them are coming out. Cute!
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Kurama
June 10, 2020 at 1:42 AM
I think ES realized the heavy responsability to be the bodyguard of the King. First he was shot but also when he searched for bugs, he didn't do it seriously like it was useless until he actually found one. Yeong is not serious for nothing.
Yeong learned to open himself to people. It's not bad to share feelings, to be nice with people and to ask for help :p
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Fly Colours
June 10, 2020 at 2:25 AM
Yes, Solitude is another loose thread!
Wild guess: it's Tae Eul!
If she goes into the past to help Gon, she might get stuck in Screensaver-land, biding time until she can come back to 2020 timeline and find Gon again. She might have dropped by RoK a couple of times during the first timeline to talk to Chief and ask for his help...
Lady Solitude because she's alone. Does that mean Shinjae dies? 😱 (disclaimer: the drama in my imagination tends to differ greatly from the real drama, so take all this with a pinch of salt)
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BlueCouchPotato
June 10, 2020 at 2:42 AM
@kurama What is Solitude? Why is Solitude? Erm... wrong show, oopsie!😅
I actually liked Tae-eul's decisions here, even if they seemed counterintuitive. Perhaps in the same way that Yeong and Euon-seob instantly connected, perhaps Tae-eul found something in Luna (just what *is* her name?), and wanted to give her a chance.
If Eun-seob is the luckiest puppy, then Shin-jae is the UNluckiest. Poor guy just couldn't win! 😫 And yet it seems he will support Gon and Tae-eul until the end. I hope he finds some happiness at least with the ROK mom who considers him "my miracle."
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Kurama
June 10, 2020 at 3:02 AM
Between giving her a chance and giving her her life, there is big step...
She considered him her miracle but she crushed his little heart everytime she was arrested for gambling...
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Yn00na
June 10, 2020 at 4:07 AM
@kurama, if you're disappointed by Tae-eul and her love story, may I invite you to the Luna/Gon ship?
@christina41218, @ndlessjoie... here's another potential crew to join your ship.
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Kurama
June 10, 2020 at 4:19 AM
Euh... How this ship has more sense than TE and LG? I mean they don't have any scene together and when they met she gave him poison to rob him... In addition to that, she's dying. Except for cats, she's pretty dangerous.
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MeiDramaDreams
June 10, 2020 at 4:31 AM
Exactly what I was thinking! I’m afraid @ndlessjoie’s ship is sinking. I hope you have prepared lifesavers for everyone on that ship.
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mugyuljoie is preciousss
June 10, 2020 at 5:36 AM
The ship is kept afloat with kimchi packets and is unsinkable.
MeiDramaDreams
June 10, 2020 at 5:48 AM
I have my doubts with that floating-kimchi-packet. Why not hire a sturdy lifeguard instead? Maybe you can recruit ShinJae for that. It will be perfect if you can get Luna onboard too.
MeiDramaDreams
June 10, 2020 at 5:54 AM
I can see it now. Luna/ShinJae ship sailing smoothly on the horizon.
mugyuljoie is preciousss
June 10, 2020 at 5:34 AM
Luna is the tsudere second lead who will be tamed by love. He won't be able to resist her.
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mugyuljoie is preciousss
June 10, 2020 at 5:39 AM
Or in @flyingcolours version, Luna is future Tae Eul.
Yn00na
June 10, 2020 at 5:56 AM
Ommo... i think someone is staging mutiny already. Why do we need to care about common sense here when KES herself doesnt care? 😜
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MeiDramaDreams
June 10, 2020 at 6:04 AM
We care about the ships. There are many doppelgänger ships. Only the true ship must set sail ⛵️
BlueCouchPotato
June 10, 2020 at 6:09 AM
We do see Yeong's soft side as early as Episode 1, but Eun-seob is the only one that gets the hug. <333
I'm thinking that Tae-eul asked Luna to take care of her father and friends only temporarily, until she gets back, which is a smidgen similar to Yeong and Eun-seob filling in for each other (emphasis on the smidgen, as the relationships between the two sets of doppelgangers are completely different). While Luna is still pretty much a loose cannon, she does have a strange moral compass and she now owes Tae-eul, so that's possibly the leverage being used.
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17 Fly Colours
June 10, 2020 at 1:31 AM
Been waiting for the recap to drop just to ask this question:
So, Gon asked Shinjae to come back to Korea with Rim and hold him for 47 hours. That means he's doing something, and then he gets into the portal with Yeong (cool guys on horses, swoon!) from the Corea side supposedly at the agreed time, so that SJ can push Rim through from the Republic of Korea side, right?
Gon needs to do it that way, so that he can time travel again, but then whoever is with Rim will have to keep him alive and neutralised in the whatever time Rim chooses to go to... Is that right?
My guess is that TE will travel with Rim to help Gon, and that SJ will tag along (if he gets killed, I swear...)
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Kairoskat is on LUCY Island 🏝
June 10, 2020 at 1:37 AM
SJ will die to protect his lady love...and when he does...the scene will change to SJ doppelganger in the hospital...beeepppppp....SJ doppelganger flatlines.
All versions of SJ gone. And viewers will be sad for a while. But there's not time to dwell because there are too many characters to look after in the final ep. Huhuhu
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Kurama
June 10, 2020 at 1:43 AM
😭
I want a happy ending for SJ.
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Fly Colours
June 10, 2020 at 2:14 AM
Nooooooo 😭
(I'm not remotely prepared for SJ dying, but they've been teasing it a lot)
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Yn00na
June 10, 2020 at 6:04 AM
No.. it goes beeeep... than bebep bebep... and suddenly SJ doppelganger wakes up from his long coma.
The audience will rejoice since at least one SJ prevails. That poor guy need a break!
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Kairoskat is on LUCY Island 🏝
June 10, 2020 at 7:11 AM
He will need lots of physical therapy to even standup...let alone walk...followed by speech therapy and other types of therapy...i mean waking up after +/- 25 years being asleep and growing in his sleep...that's on another level of Captain America being defrost scene 🤣
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kakakash
June 10, 2020 at 5:23 PM
Okay your explanation (which I know was a question) is the most coherent explanation of this I've read. I think you're right...
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18 dee23
June 10, 2020 at 1:54 AM
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Kairoskat is on LUCY Island 🏝
June 10, 2020 at 2:01 AM
In ep 14, PM gave her mum a code word. She said if I ask you what you ate for dinner...answer mackarel fish.
But in ep 15, when she asked mum what she ate, mum answered jajangmyun. So it is assumed that her mother is swapped with a Korea doppelganger. Hopefully real mum is still alive huhu.
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dee23
June 10, 2020 at 2:05 AM
oh is that it? thanks. I was confused the whole time watching the scene.
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Kairoskat is on LUCY Island 🏝
June 10, 2020 at 7:13 AM
Haha. I just thought mum forgot their code and brushed that scene aside 😅. IG/twitter posts made me notice that her mum might be swapped~
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19 Angsty
June 10, 2020 at 2:43 AM
This show has so many obvious plot holes that it just doesn't make any sense/logic. I know this is a romance kdrama but come on, at least try to make things a bit more logical? Just listing a few for thoughts:
(1) Why would Lee Gon choose to return back in time to that moment to save himself when he was a kid? Why not say return 1 day before that fateful day to kill Lee Lim? In that case, he could have saved his own father as well. And why would Lee Lim want to return to that same freaking day too? Cant he return earlier and just take the flute?
(2) Lee Lim has so many lackeys in the Republic of Korea and yet he didn't even try to mobilise them to capture/kill Lee Gon at any point in time? Say when Lee Gon was at the hospital with Tae-Jul? Seriously? Why go to such an extent to get the doppelgängers etc to do that?
(3) Why is Lee Lim still alive in present day given that he was killed by his past self when he travelled back in time? Were there 2 Lee Lims arising from some time travel complications? Why aren't there 2 Lee Gons then?
(4) So much lovey dovey dialogue nonsense that they don't even talk about things that truly matter? How about Tae-Gul telling Lee Gon that her doppelgänger, Luna, is in the Republic of Korea? No? And Luna tried to kill Lee Gon/steal his whip? Not important enough to even mention it amidst the lovey dovey dialogues - which honestly dont make sense too since there's practically no foundation for their "love"?
(5) Don't get what's with Lee Lim switching seemingly random ppl from the different worlds. For money, power or fame? I get the part where he tried to get Sin-Jae's mum to poison Lee Gon but how about the rest? Why switch the pregnant lady who ended up killing Lee Gon's next in line successor? Cant one of his lackeys just do that? How about the other girl who was killed in the prison in the Republic of Korea?
(6) When they shot lee lim on the streets. The time stopped cause Lee Gon travelled back to the Kingdom of Corea and the duration of the stoppage was a few hours. How did Sin Jae and Yeong suddenly teleported from the bamboo forest to the streets? If the time stoppage didnt affect them, the 3 of them walked for hours and suddenly bumped into Lee Lim when that guy has eluded them for so long?
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smurfett820
June 10, 2020 at 4:01 AM
I read a recap somewhere that explained that the time traveling is using concept from Nine. And @imperialtitus kind of explained it at the beginning of the comments section, as Dynamic Timeline. I never watchedNnine but once the idea of 9 timelines entered my head, all the time traveling made sense.
In Timeline1, LG and LL went back in time. LL killed himself.
Once LG saved himself and started traveling laterally across space, Timeline2 started. In Timeline2, he added more memories into TE because they had so few moments together in Timeline1.
By the time 2020 rolled around, neither of them went back in time. You have to ignore the brain wanting to ask, "But then who saved LG in 1994?" It's just a linear and second timeline, LG was saved, both him and LL did not go back in time in 2020.
That's why there is only one of LL. And then recapper said similar to Nine's time traveling logic, somehow the two LGs will merge into one. If I accepted that, then everything makes sense.
And there can be a 3rd timeline when LG goes back in time again with LL to the exact same night. Otherwise I was so confused as to how you can have multiple instances of yourself from the future going back to the same point in the past. Thinking about it as different timelines solved that problem.
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Midnight
June 10, 2020 at 6:37 AM
There aren't nine timelines in Nine though. Just nine chances to go back to exactly 20 years ago.
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smurfett820
June 11, 2020 at 7:18 AM
Okay 9 chances. Same with LG going back twice to the same time point. Still linear right?
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Midnight
June 11, 2020 at 8:31 AM
Haha I don't really know because I'm only reading the comments on this show for entertainment, not actually watching.
In Nine he couldn't go back to the same time point twice because he could ONLY go back to EXACTLY 20 years before. Like exactly to the date and hour. So on June 7th at 8 o'clock he could only go back to June 7th at 8 o'clock 20 years ago. I guess this makes it 2 time lines. One original and one dynamic.
kakakash
June 10, 2020 at 5:25 PM
EXACTLY @Angsty. WHY is the question. why. why not use his brilliant einstein mind to go back in time a little further. just why. *asks existentially*. why
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Sarah
June 10, 2020 at 6:15 PM
For me he can’t use it in his desire timeline as the flute control which time they can go . That’s why he’s waiting for the sound of the flute the night of the treason . There’s no door where it’s label the time he’ll come in . This is kinda the concept of dr. Who where sometimes he cannot control which timeline his time machine might take him.
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kakakash
June 10, 2020 at 8:53 PM
interesting concept. i suppose that's a possibility and wish it were explained or clarified as such in the drama if it were so. i guess i also wish Gon, being the genius, would try harder to find a way around such a barrier. i'm imaging the DC's Flash team working together just to find a way around similar dilemmas of how to arrive at the certain point in time.
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smurfett820
June 11, 2020 at 7:23 AM
Yes! It makes sense once someone explains it. It’s an infinite time and space, where the completed flute portal leads. So it’s hard to know where you’ll come out of.
Whereas the flute, wanting to save itself, takes you to the time you want to save yourself? Something like that
But in any case, 30 seconds explaining that would help more than being confused while watching the drama!
20 thementalbunny
June 10, 2020 at 3:02 AM
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21 thementalbunny
June 10, 2020 at 3:07 AM
This is a basket case. Moving onwards to the next drama that's going to occupy this time slot.
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22 stn5
June 10, 2020 at 3:42 AM
Jo Yeong and Eun Seob are the heart of the series. Love them both!!
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23 YY Chats with Toast Between Bites
June 10, 2020 at 4:25 AM
The sheer idiocy they subject me to, all for the sake of a sensational cliffhanger. They did it in two episodes, first with the poisoning, and this episode with the stabbing. I ground my molars so hard they almost cracked.
Tae eul was stabbed last episode. I heard a watery sound. Glug glug. Luna straightened and pushed the knife in deeper. Glug glug glug. She was dying. She talked aloud in her head. I cried. And then...SHE MAKES A MIRACULOUS RECOVERY. What is this? What is this? She is out fighting and then she's back in hospital and looking fragile again. Oh, wait. Lee Gon is hugging her tight and she's smiling. What? She was bleeding to death and I was crying. It turns out I CRIED FOR NOTHING. This is a silly repeat of Lee Gon's poison scene where he collapsed with bloodless lips and is up strutting slo mo again in no time at all. C'mon. This is beyond ridiculous. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
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Kairoskat is on LUCY Island 🏝
June 10, 2020 at 5:23 AM
She wasn't dying YY. Apparently Luna knows the human anatomy, purposely avoided any of Taeul's organs and it was a shallow wound. Probably the action and blood effect in ep 14 was too much for the wound description 😅.
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Yn00na
June 10, 2020 at 6:36 AM
But shallow wound shouldn't do glug glug... glug glug... at most it should only do a single blub. So I'm as disappointed as @yyishere on our detective miraculous recovery.
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Kairoskat is on LUCY Island 🏝
June 10, 2020 at 7:05 AM
Exactly! The stab looked lethal. But Taeul herself said the wound is shallow and Luna avoided her organs. When asked why...Luna says: for Taeul's dad.
Me: oo...kayyy....just go with it 😌
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mugyuljoie is preciousss
June 10, 2020 at 6:18 AM
Was I the only one who laughed when she punched Luna? I can't take any of this seriously at this point. I'm laughing almost as much as I did during Vagabond. The just need DG to come save the day, since he recovers instantly from all wounds.
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mugyuljoie is preciousss
June 10, 2020 at 6:19 AM
*they
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Zora
June 10, 2020 at 9:21 AM
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Zora
June 10, 2020 at 9:28 AM
You had me at glug glug glug 🤣 🤣 🤣
DB comments/theories are more entertaining than the drama.
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24 ting
June 10, 2020 at 5:52 AM
As we near the end, can’t help thinking there were so many doppelgängers/characters that we spent minutes on but ended up not being very material to the show. Case in point: pregnant frenemy of PM. Why was it necessary for her to be the culprit of car accident? Anyone could have been involved. As a matter of fact, the granddaughter of Prince Buyeong is another unnecessary character. Why did she have to be the heir in spare if Lee Gon was gonna be left with no heir at the end of the day? All this time spent on characters which I thought were gonna be important in later episodes but which could have been better used to elaborate on main characters, plotline etc!
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smurfett820
June 11, 2020 at 7:15 AM
I wondered it it’s a comment about “choice” which ep 15 really focused on. At this point, everyone had a choice for what to do, SJ, LG, JY all chose to sacrifice themselves to a certain extent. LR has a choice as well and he chose to continue to be bad. So this rich lady decides to kill someone, just like PM, in order to have the life they want.
That vs fate , which In a way is all about not having choices. So it is fate for these characters or is it just that their choices keep leading them down the path of seeming fate?
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25 WalexB
June 10, 2020 at 6:48 AM
«but her solution is to leave her loved ones in the hands of Luna? Sure, Luna has shown she’s fond of Tae-eul’s dad, but she’s still incredibly unstable. »
Luna is fond of Tae-Eul's *life*, she is so envious of her having a family, friends, Jin-Shae who has been in love with her for twenty years (and a boyfriend who is the hottest and richest king too). Three obvious signs: she asks "their" dad if she has been a good daughter, looks longingly at all the photos of friends on Tae-Eul's phone, kisses Jin-Shae (who is quite hot and heroic, even if not as rich and a king like Gon).
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