Open Thread #630
by mary
Happy Friday everyone!
Here is your Open Thread, which is here for you to chat about anything you want, whether it be drama-related or not. Nothing’s off-topic here! Spoilers may be rife, so proceed accordingly.
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1 protect junwoo
November 15, 2019 at 6:05 AM
Coming on here super quickly just to say that I MISS MY FREE TIME AND I MISS DB :( This week, I've only had time to watch When the Camellia Blooms during my daily commutes, because I've been so swamped with exam prep. This morning I had a 6-hour International Law exam that wasn't too bad—I knew mostly how to answer the questions, but my time management isn't great so I struggled to finish in time. After that, I came straight home, ate my first meal of the day and promptly knocked out for about 4 hours. I wish I could say I'm done with exams, but I've still got two papers to go and it's back to work for me already.
I reeeeeally want to catch up on Nokdu and Extraordinary You, but that is sadly out of the question for me at the moment :( Why did I think going to law school was a good idea again? LOL.
I hope you guys have had a better week than I have ♡
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superwhopotterlock
November 15, 2019 at 7:15 AM
Good luck for your remaining exams!
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rue
November 15, 2019 at 8:01 AM
@choijunu Fighting!✊
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Ms. Rabbit 🐇
November 15, 2019 at 11:02 AM
Fighting!
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2 growingbeautifully
November 15, 2019 at 6:12 AM
Hi Everyone and Happy OT!
I've been more busy lately and ended up watching mostly YT videos of my current craze ... anything The Untamed.
It's a great rationalization that a few short vids will be better than a 1-hour drama, but I know I'm just deceiving myself. LOL.
I did however bother to catch the spinoff movie, The Living Dead. Just because I had liked the characters so much in The Untamed drama, I spent much more time on this movie, (determined to not hate it), than it actually warrants. But whatever, at least I enjoyed myself, 'wasting' time!
Review of the Movie spinoff of The Untamed: The Living Dead. Synopsis in a nutshell… Wen Ning and Si Zhui investigate the incidence of murderous ghosts and a massacre of a household and save a little town from living in darkness.
The movie jumps right into the plot of ghosts with the leads from The Untamed without any explanation. At my first watch, I found that the movie left me cold, but I decided that I wanted to give it another chance, so I re-watched. I slowed down some parts to get a better idea about what was going on and to see if enough had been explained to eradicate some plot holes.
Well, the good news is that I felt better about the movie after a painstaking re-watch. Would I recommend it? To those who have not watched The Untamed, I'd say yes only to those who don't mind a quick 'ghost-hunting' flick to while away 1 hour 24 minutes and who won't be bothered to wonder "Who? What?". To lovers of The Untamed who really want to see Wen Ning and Sizhui again, yes, by all means.
However … our beloved characters have undergone something of a change in their interactions, which was the reason I was left cold before. It took a while to come to terms with that and to just concentrate on what was happening.
Being a spinoff there are many nods to The Untamed, but mainly a recurring reference to 'Master Wei' (Wei Wu Xian, the hero of The Untamed. However I felt that the missing BIG nod that should have been, was to the sweetness of the uncle - nephew relationship between the 2 leads that had its start in the drama. I know that I wanted to watch this movie in order to see how the 2 of them had developed in friendship and camaraderie. Let's just say that the first 5 minutes of the show that had a brother and sister trying to weather another night of ghosts, was the warmest depiction of character relationship in the movie, and moments like those should have been given to Wen Ning and Si Zhui.
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growingbeautifully
November 15, 2019 at 6:13 AM
Some SPOILERS
What the movie gave viewers instead of warm camaderie between the leads, was a suddenly confident (and yet not quite) Wen Ning with the deductive powers to rival WWX, but exercised rather coldly.
Perhaps it was an excuse to have a at least a cameo of WWX only from behind, but the sudden interjection of WN's lack of self worth felt out of place and so did WWX's deus ex machina 'appearance' with a different and therefore wrong sounding voice actor. Show would have done better to just have had reminiscences of WWX without his making an appearance or any voice over.
My main beef with the movie is that Yu Bin, who can emote well enough, was probably directed to be a stiff, unemotional 'undead', which spoilt all the great interactions he could have had with Si Zhui. Even Si Zhui who had so much personality in the drama, comes out looking as if he was just on a job with a sunbae without close ties.
Other stuff/good stuff: The movie adapted from the ghost puppets of the drama and added its own spin with a specific way that they could be 'killed' which was not bad. The weapon of Si Zhui is appropriate since he was closely associated with Hanguang Jun and it's good to see that he has grown in its use. Instead of 'Inquiry' or 'Empathy', movie has a new way of entering the 'minds' of the dead/undead. Wen Ning's weapon is unexpected and evokes memories of Zidian (Purple Lightning), but I'd have liked to have seen him with a sword or just kicking ass again.
In short, movie is and has the mark of a quick production to cash in on the popularity of The Untamed, so watch it if you really want to see Wen Ning and Si Zhui again, or because you like a ghost investigation and some ghost killing action.
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outofthisworld 不愧是我 🏍
November 15, 2019 at 6:31 AM
I should have post this hilarious but totally spot on post on tumblr and save you some precious hour
https://lanzhanlanzhan.tumblr.com/post/188907198323/reading-this-was-a-ride-lol-thank-you-for-the
I'd rather rewatch all the BTS, watch YB's funny vids than waste a minute on the Living Dead. They were just milking whatever they could from the drama. The two actors Yu Bin and Zheng Fanxing deserved better.
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growingbeautifully
November 15, 2019 at 7:16 AM
That's how I started out feeling, especially when on top of the non-existent warm vibes between the leads, some of what little plot there was didn't hold up. On re-watch, it wasn't as bad as I had feared. 🤣 Still the wasted time was kinda 'fun'. I was waiting around on work 'standby' anyway, so it was better than just working!
However, it's back to more YT vids, BTS and OSTs ... heh! 😊 😉 😌
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outofthisworld 不愧是我 🏍
November 15, 2019 at 7:20 AM
Oh yes, it can be background watching. Like, I'd still notice the girl burning because they had to replay it 3 times. In the end, I'm sure the audience suffered more than she did.
growingbeautifully
November 15, 2019 at 7:43 AM
@outofthisworld LOL.
I was not bothered about the adult dying, but I was peeved that the 2 sweet kids had to die and that there was no resurrection for them.
Couldn't figure out how lighting a fire outside was supposed to save them though. It just made matters worse. Brother should have just stayed indoors in the dark with little sis.
outofthisworld 不愧是我 🏍
November 15, 2019 at 7:47 AM
Kids? Eh....I must have taken too long a toilet break.
potter
November 15, 2019 at 4:20 PM
I'm guessing this web movie was produced with drawing more male audience in mind. Like the donghua/anime.
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growingbeautifully
November 15, 2019 at 5:54 PM
That's an interesting idea. Even so, would that be a reason to make Wen Ning so much more 'dead of expression' than he was?
If the time taken in relationship building had been given over to more action, it might have served the male audience more, however there were long moments of non action as well. I hope some audiences did thoroughly enjoy the movie!
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potter
November 15, 2019 at 8:22 PM
Could be a budget issue. Fight choreography training and stunt people cost time and money.
I saw a side-by-side animated gifs comparing WWX-JZX fight in Cloud Recess to two gray-haired granny-like ladies tussling in the street. Basically they all fought like girls without the face scratching and hair pulling.
Recent web dramas adapted from male-oriented, or at least gender-neutral, wuxia/xianxia web novels mostly failed. Like the producers haven't figured out the right formula.
shach
November 15, 2019 at 6:31 AM
My take is less generous, I thought that movie was rather rushed cash grab and they didn't even tried with original characters or actors, I don't regret watching it because I like actors and characters but it was disappointment.
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growingbeautifully
November 15, 2019 at 7:24 AM
@shach That's the pity of it. It could have taken a little bit of trouble to get the most important part right, and earned our 'love', but it chose to go the all-out-for-money route and left a sour taste in our mouths.
With all the development in the characters that the drama had already laid down, it's a shame the movie didn't choose to go with the flow, and just showcase some great bromance moments, but instead wasted the nicely, realised characters. Still fans of the drama are going to watch the movie, so the lack of integrity will unfortunately be 'rewarded'.
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shach
November 15, 2019 at 7:31 AM
It felt like they grab some random script that was lying around, changed the names of main characters and roll with it.
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growingbeautifully
November 15, 2019 at 7:34 AM
That's a pretty apt description LOL, however they did add in the zombie bits to bring it a little more in line with the source, and the fighting was quite artistic in parts.
Niaa
November 15, 2019 at 7:28 AM
Same with me, the untamed is my favourite watch list this month along with catch the ghost and if talking paid (jdrama)
At first I didn't want to watch it because the BL label. But the untamed raves in fa wall tempted me. I think I also saw your comment that you start watching this even though your on 'straight' person side, that's adds more courage to me and I'm happy I decided to watch this drama...
I can feel the main leads (WWX and LZ) affection and protectiveness with each other, but it's subtle and not crossing the line for me.
I also like the story with their respective family, except jin clan. Especially love WWX interactions with his xie jie (JYL).
Firstly I watch till ep 2 and then skip to ep with the current timeline. Because I didn't want to feel heart break watching the flashback time (I know what happened from reading quick recap). And several days ago I decided to watch from the start again because I want to see them more. Still, I can't play ep 29 and above (my real life already in angsty mode, so I don't want to watch anything angsty rn). Watching their flashback time make me love this drama and the characters more :) my favourite character here aside from the two leads are wen ning and xiao xing Chen.
So just like you, I fill my craving for anything about the untamed with watching the BTS. My fav BTS is when they shooting scene in burial mounds after the disciplines being captive by ghost mask, WYB cheekily join the crowd shout and put his sword in XZ and then his teasing laugh when XZ praise him about his popularity in untamed.
Anyway I'm looking forward for XZ and WYB next project. I already try watch WYB other drama gank your heart (up to ep 2) but I think I like him more as Lan Wang ji
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growingbeautifully
November 15, 2019 at 7:41 AM
It is difficult to like our 2 leads in anything else, as much as we like them in The Untamed, I feel. There was just something in their chemistry together, in the way their arc tugged on the heartstrings, and the very satisfying resolution that tied up most loose ends, that keeps bringing us back to review and relive those feels. Their evident affection also played a major part. From being alone and lonely, I think all of us were rooting for them to be together and to not be alone anymore.
There are many better made shows, but none lately that have hit the feels this much.
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Trinity 🍆
November 15, 2019 at 9:39 AM
This is sad. I was still planning to watch it but I don't know if I will now. One thing I loved about Wen Ning is how sweet, cute and innocent he is. I also loved his caring attitude with Lan Sizhui and their sweet nephew/uncle relationship. It's disappointing that they scrubbed out the best parts of these characters to quickly get a script done and a movie produced. If they were going to make a movie about these characters they could have atleast tried to keep true to their characters 😑
So I think for now I'll pass on watching this. Thanks for the detailed review!
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3 amruta1009
November 15, 2019 at 6:14 AM
My wifi router suddenly stopped working a few days ago, which means no wifi. I only have enough internet daily for two episodes and surfing on DB. And today's quota is already coming to an end. Ugh I don't know how long I have to wait to be able to fix this but I can't do anything about it for atleast a week.
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growingbeautifully
November 15, 2019 at 7:32 AM
@amy1009 How inconvenient for you! Fighting and hope you get more online time soon!
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Ms. Rabbit 🐇
November 15, 2019 at 11:05 AM
Awww... sorry to hear that. Hope they'll fix the issue soon. I had that happened to me recently. Luckily, my apt has free wifi, so I was using theirs in the 3 days that I had to wait to get a new router.
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amruta1009
November 15, 2019 at 3:23 PM
It means I can't watch some of the dramas I was watching online or watch in good quality. Luckily for me I downloaded a lot of other dramas on my phone for exactly this situation.
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4 Kairoskat 💐
November 15, 2019 at 6:17 AM
Hi beanies!!
Have a happy weekend and take good care of your health 💛.
*twists nail ring*
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Purpleink🐼
November 15, 2019 at 7:12 AM
You too💛
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mugyuljoie is preciousss
November 15, 2019 at 2:53 PM
😂 You take care of your health. *smiles and hands you bouquet*
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Kairoskat 💐
November 15, 2019 at 3:45 PM
Thank you 💐
*crush flowers and make perfume*
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5 TurtuallySarcastic
November 15, 2019 at 6:24 AM
Happy weekend Beanies!
@michykdrama less social media, more reading ;)
Whenever an employment contract ends I quickly go from one hundred to zero and I struggle to retain and regain discipline. For this reason I reflected this week on what I could do better and what I am doing very well already.
What I could do better:
1. I want to put in more efforts to actively look for a job.
2. I want to go to bed earlier and get up at a decent time, not lie awake all night and ‘catch up on sleep’ until noon.
3. I want to keep up my self-care routine. Much easier done when you have a job where you need to look presentable, but it is necessary for health and confidence. Also unexpected trips and visitors would no longer be a nightmare.
4. I want to step out for fresh air more often. The cold weather and grey skies offer no encouragement, and neither does my empty schedule or 3 (see above).
What I am doing well:
1. Writing for Nanowrimo every day. A few sentences a day is enough to update the word count and increase the word target a tiny bit.
2. Reading every week. I had to cut back in time, but I managed to get back to an abandoned book, so it is Jane Austen and John Green for now.
3. Keeping up with K-dramas. I am catching up on No Second Chances and Pegasus Market while I wait for Extraordinary Thursday and Friday.
I expect improvement once December starts, when both Extraordinary You and Nanowrimo are no longer priorities. And to think that not only two years ago I would have dropped all the fun stuff to focus more on studying and job hunting *shudder* :P
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michykdrama
November 15, 2019 at 6:29 AM
❤️
I just finished watching Kim Ji Young born in 1982. It was so so so so good. I’m still trying to recover because it hit me right in the heart.
Will read and reply you in a bit ❤️
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Ally
November 15, 2019 at 9:07 AM
Oh! Is it anywhere I can see it yet (online)?
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michykdrama
November 15, 2019 at 4:42 PM
Not yet I think....
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michykdrama
November 15, 2019 at 8:41 AM
Congrats on keeping up with the writing! Don’t be too hard on yourself for the things you didn’t do. Next week is a new week and a new start!
I’m so emotionally drained after watching the show and then trying to express how I feel about it. But I knew if I didn’t then the moment would pass and I wanted to tell as many people as I could how much it made me feel. Wrote it on my blog, link is below. I hope you get to watch it.
Ji young’s Dream was to be a writer and despite taking a while to get there, the movie ends with her having published an article in a magazine and starting on writing her life story. May you also find the inspiration to write like she did!
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TurtuallySarcastic
November 15, 2019 at 11:14 AM
Thank you for the encouragement and the recommendation! :)
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wapz
November 15, 2019 at 8:52 AM
Jbtw I guess you all are doing nanowrimo for fun but what do you do then with the novels written? Like do you hope to ever publish it or is it a hobby or an unfulfilled dream that's compensated this way?
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TurtuallySarcastic
November 15, 2019 at 11:22 AM
It depends on the person, but you listed the famous 3 I think. ;) It is a hobby for me, and maybe a bit of an unfulfilled dream too. Few people can become succesful authors, but through nanowrimo and similar projects, you can challenge your inner author. The goal is actually to write a first draft of your novel, so the next edition you can write a draft for another novel, or continue with editing, or just improvise like I am doing :) Many authors started writing through nanowrimo, so who knows?
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Ms. Rabbit 🐇
November 15, 2019 at 11:09 AM
Wow, good job on keeping up with writing and reading AND kdramas! I've been wanting to read more, but have not been able to.
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TurtuallySarcastic
November 15, 2019 at 11:23 AM
Finding the right book at the right time is a skill ! ;)
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Ms. Rabbit 🐇
November 15, 2019 at 11:28 AM
Tooootallllyyyy......
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marina
November 15, 2019 at 12:00 PM
Awww, I love reading books and John Green’s Let It Snow: Three Holiday Romances is my fav^^
I bought “The Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society“ yesterday but haven’t started it yet. since I’m not in love with any of the airing dramas I think I’ll read it soon.
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TurtuallySarcastic
November 16, 2019 at 3:12 AM
I am currently reading Pride & Prejudice and An Abundance of Katherines. I still have to read Let It Snow, since I read slowly and only got out of my reading slump recently. Have fun and lots of reading time ! :)
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mugyuljoie is preciousss
November 16, 2019 at 4:20 AM
The Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society is good. Enjoy.
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javinne
November 16, 2019 at 3:15 AM
I understand you totally. Only yesterday I signed up a contract for a part time... It is what I found, but it is important to force myself to keep up certain routine and also keep on looking for a better job while earning some money to pay off my debts.
But yeah, whenever I have a free day I am lazy. I don't go late to bed, but I don't go out of the house for fresh air.
And I only go to the gym the days I have to go with my gym parnert, because we both push one another. Without her, maybe I wouldn't be able to make it.
Right now I am not watching too many dramas nor I want to... But I also try to read more. And keep I the Job hunting... It is an excruciating torture, but I need to find something I really like which pays good as well.
Wish me success
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TurtuallySarcastic
November 16, 2019 at 3:30 AM
@javinne: Thank you for telling me that I am not the only one who is lazy at times and struggles to keep up routines. I wish you all the best of luck, and if I can cheer you on or push you in any way, just let me know! :)
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mugyuljoie is preciousss
November 16, 2019 at 4:21 AM
Good luck!
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6 cat-cric-kat
November 15, 2019 at 6:25 AM
@jamieopso I wasn't actively talking about gardening last week. I'm fine with every interpretation of that comment. I agree and disagree regarding the few matters of gardening.
@tsutsuloo that was my mistake. But i didn't see your comment as clarification or have context. More so i felt your comment created wrong assumption about the show. My usual stance is no response but it was coming from your side so i had to take it seriously. Whether someone agree/disgree with me is their concern and their freedom.
As for funny take - As i always say behind every joke lies some serious thought. Modern day comedy is all about making fun of others, insulting others, looking down upon others. That take was a test and i didn't fail in it because i had already learned from similar mistake in real life.
Watched Falling for Innocence - for tomorrow. not gonna anything good.
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7 michykdrama
November 15, 2019 at 6:36 AM
Kim Ji Young Born in 1982 was indescribable.
I’m still trying to wrap my head around it because it really hit me in the heart and I am trying to be coherent and find some way to explain the depth of how it resonated and made me feel.
Watch it Beanies.
I’ll be back when I can put my thoughts and emotions into words.
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michykdrama
November 15, 2019 at 8:28 AM
Okay, so a paragraph became 10 and so I put it all on my blog.
It’s the most coherent I can be now even though there is more I wish I could say.
https://mydramalesslife.wordpress.com/2019/11/16/i-watched-kim-ji-young-born-in-1982-and-i-wish-everyone-else-would/
And if this isn’t enough to convince you then please watch it not just for Jung Yumi and Gong Yoo but also for Healer Ahjumma (Kim Mi Kyung) who was The Best Mother Ever to Ji Young. I loved her in Healer and I loved her 3000 in this too. ❤️❤️❤️
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8 cherry 🍒
November 15, 2019 at 6:39 AM
Hello dearest Beanies,
how have you all been doing? I’ve been away from kdramaland for almost a year due to opening my own restaurant and I’ve missed it and Dramabeans so much. Now that my restaurant has settled and we hired more people I finally have more time for myself. Can you imagine how heartwarming it felt to start watching k-dramas again? I thought I wouldn’t be able to feel the same but everything that I loved about k-dramas rushed back the moment I pressed play button. Many of you asked about the name of my restaurant, so you could come by if you happened to be in Prague. I won’t write it here but if anybody’s really coming to Prague, let me know so we can meet! I’ve only met one Beanie in real life before, when she was staying here as an exchange student.
I think I happened to pick two great dramas as my comeback to k-dramaland. The first one was Dazzling (The Light In Your Eyes) which left me with swollen eyes, wistful, sad, and melancholic for many days after the last episode. The second drama I picked was Weightlifting Fairy KBJ which I ignored for three years even though I knew everyone loved and cherished the drama. Although I’m not that old (32), it’s been years since I watched a romantic high-school or college drama. I guess since I became a mother, I started picking dramas with characters in their 30s and 40s more. I still have one WFKBJ episode left to watch and I’m praying the drama stays as wonderful as it’s been so far.
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shach
November 15, 2019 at 6:44 AM
I'm so happy you restaurant doing great! Welcome back to dramaland :)
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growingbeautifully
November 15, 2019 at 7:28 AM
Congrats on having your restaurant nicely settled @cherryinbloom and welcome back to kdrama watching! Yes, you picked 2 nice shows, so you should feel warm and tingly. Heheheh!
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Fly Colours
November 15, 2019 at 7:30 AM
Been to Prague this summer, you live in a beautiful place!
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javinne
November 16, 2019 at 3:27 AM
Oh, yes, I remember about your restaurant in Prague... not far away from where I live. Anyway, I am so glad things are working for you!
Weightlifting Kim Bok joo is one of my favorites. I rewatched the best scenes when it came into Netflix. Love it!!!!
And Dazzling made me cried as well... badly.
I feel I want to re watch, but I don't want to cry again. Ottoke?-
I haven't finished Mr. Sunshine because I don't want to cry.
Take care, cherry!!!!! Please let me know the address of your restaurant. When I visit Prague, I promise I will go! 😍
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9 shach
November 15, 2019 at 6:42 AM
It's cold in here, and I'm so low on energy, and I feel weird not having any new Chinese drama to binge, so I casually started rewatching Arsenal Military Academy, because all Beanies wallposts excluded my eyecandy Li ChengBin and lololol he is so hot and so bad at acting, but I hope I'll be able to ogle him in something soon, but not a lead role please, he is perfect for second leads with a lot screen time and no lines. Have a warm weekend everyone!!
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outofthisworld 不愧是我 🏍
November 15, 2019 at 7:24 AM
I am at ep 14 of Changan. Is there any romance? I don't need one but the girl you like seems to have something for Long Bo.
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shach
November 15, 2019 at 7:28 AM
No romance at all but plenty of unrequited love and a lot of ladies lusting after Zhang.
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outofthisworld 不愧是我 🏍
November 15, 2019 at 7:34 AM
LOL! I must say although he doesn't have the looks, he does have charisma.
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Trinity 🍆
November 15, 2019 at 9:23 AM
I personally thought all the actors did a good job in Arsenal 😅 I've never seen Li Cheng Bin in anything before but I thought he did a good job in this role. But I do agree he probably isn't ready for a lead role yet. I think he did a good job as Shen Jun Shan but I think it's because he fit the role.
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10 Ting
November 15, 2019 at 6:47 AM
Beautiful Love Wonderful Life is getting better and better. How does Kim Jae Young cope? Acting in BLWL at the same time as Secret Boutique. Guess it helps that he plays a similar character in both dramas. Prefer the Jun Hwi-Cheong Ah OTP though.
Think BLWL is a really well written drama and pacing is great - no unnecessary filler scenes so far & there’s a consistency about the characters that’s often sadly lacking in many dramas. No lazy writing here. It’s a pity that the the first couple of episodes were kind of dark/sad so it’s lost a lot of potential audience but I would recommend beanies give it a try - it’s sadly underrated.
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11 Ting
November 15, 2019 at 6:50 AM
Losing interest in Extraordinary You. Seems like we’ve seen a repeat of the same thing over & over again these last couple of episodes. I want the story to move forward!
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12 YY Chats with Toast Between Bites
November 15, 2019 at 6:51 AM
Is anyone watching Extraordinary You? The latest episode was very good, compared to the bland ones in the past few weeks.
SPOILERS
So am I to understand that Danoh died because Baek Kyung lifted her oxygen mask? That was one heck of a powerful scene there. I almost teared watching Baek Kyung's conflict. The same conflict reflected on his face when he grasped Haru's wrist, and drove that sword into Danoh. He was forced to kill her then, even though he loved her...is that what that scene was about?
So the final scene has Danoh unaware of who Haru is. She is back to being an extra, mindless and happy. It was horrible to watch...I thought that was a poignant and painful moment, especially from Haru's point of view. I thought this was a solid episode, and I hope next week we'll have a good finale. I was bored out of my mind with the bland fillers in the past few episodes.
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TurtuallySarcastic
November 15, 2019 at 7:59 AM
I am currently watching the episode, I'll get back to you when I am done. I have a feeling I will need to get 14 episodes of Baek Kyung angst off my chest...
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MeloMe
November 15, 2019 at 8:53 AM
Dan Oh didn't die because Baek Kyung lifter her mask. When he leaves and Haru goes in we see that she has her oxygen mask back on. So I guess she died because she just had to, it's not because of anyone.
Also you are on point about everything else.
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YY Chats with Toast Between Bites
November 15, 2019 at 6:18 PM
But he did lift her oxygen mask. For a minute she stopped breathing properly. Did it contribute to her crash later on? I think it did, and it's so, so sad that he was crying when he lifted her mask...he fully intended to kill her like he did in the past. What an incredibly flawed character, and so beautifully portrayed by the actor, he made me weep for his pain. This show has flaws, but in its best moments, it's just moving.
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TurtuallySarcastic
November 15, 2019 at 11:13 AM
@yyishere
Okay, I finished the episode, and I am an emotional mess.
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I agree with @bluewaters20. Dan-Oh died in the Shadow, because it was bound to happen anytime. I do think that Kyung attempted to kill her, to take away her self-awareness. But at the same time he struggled to go through with it, and then he realized what he had done in the flower manhwa. Kudos to Lee Jae-Wook, what a powerful scene indeed.
It would be very in character of Kyung to use unaware Dan-Oh to his advantage in the next episode, and while I dread watching that play out, I am even more afraid of the alternative. Kyung seemed quite unhinged to me as he left Dan-Oh’s room, and I do not know what to make of that. I hope he will not harm himself or others in that state.
Also, his brother gives me Writer vibes.
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theTINYL
November 15, 2019 at 12:50 PM
I am full of desperate hope that Kyung NOT yanking the oxygen mask means that, while he'll be initially pleased at her memory loss, he may also realize that he'll always know that REAL Dan oh doesn't love him in the same way... and so is it worth it to have a shell of a stage character love you if you know at your core it's not sincere?
The Writer's got to make an appearance somehow, no? Or come the finale are they just going to hard reset and start this dance over from the beginning in a new manhwa? *flails*
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YY Chats with Toast Between Bites
November 15, 2019 at 6:41 PM
The scene where she floats in unaware of Haru means she died, I think. Her shadow self died. But it's so sad that Kyung will now get a wooden character, and not the flesh and blood girl he got to know. Past Haru hurts me more than Present Haru. I feel his pain more, I'm not sure why. Why? Is it because I get to see his hawt forehead? It talks to me. It says, I'm so hot.
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bbstl 🧹
November 15, 2019 at 2:28 PM
I couldn't justify it with any logic but I've been thinking for some time that Kyung's brother is the writer. Just a feeling and I can't explain why at all 😝
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YY Chats with Toast Between Bites
November 15, 2019 at 6:36 PM
In that case, we are doomed, because the brother is like the Death Soothsayer. Every time hevappears, he's intoning, Do. Not. Do. Anything. And when is Hyun bin going to the jungle? I need some ripped abs to tide me over Kyung's pain.
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bbstl 🧹
November 16, 2019 at 6:59 AM
Doesn't that seem like something The Writer would do, constantly urge against any changes? Boy, I dunno. I wonder if we'll even find out who the writer is.
Aren't we supposed to get HB next month? But wait, we're getting jungle abs? I thought we were getting layers-of-clothes Swiss and NK mountain locales. That's even better, hubba-hubba!😉
YY Chats with Toast Between Bites
November 15, 2019 at 6:25 PM
Ah. I'm so glad it affected you as much as it did me. I thought Baek Kyung's tears were one of the best, the most powerful scenes ever, in Korean drama. It broke my heart. The pain on his face, the noisy sobs, were just so heartwrenching. Even in that flash of a second, in the past, the panning to his face, the rawness of his pain took my breath away. I notice that he was given a lot of screen time in this episode - testament to his incredible acting, and to the adulation of viewers? But I was moved by Haru's anguish too...he delivered in that sword thrust scene - his wailing shattered me.
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TurtuallySarcastic
November 16, 2019 at 3:35 AM
Not only did it break my heart, it gave me a tiny panic attack, because he was harming himself along with Dan-Oh in many ways. Those two are supposed to snark at the world and each other 24/7, not this.
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shach
November 15, 2019 at 3:25 PM
He switched her medicine, I think, wasn't that candies with the magical spell that he used give her as a child in that pink container? So it seems like when she asked for her medicine he instead gave her candy from that pink container at the nurse office.
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YY Chats with Toast Between Bites
November 15, 2019 at 6:32 PM
Oh, God. Did he? Then it's even more horrible, that he had already made up his mind to kill her shadow self. I know some will despise him more for it, but to me, Kyung is such a fascinating character, with so much darkness and depth...and this episode showcased his character, flawed, but so tragically human.
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13 pcch2345
November 15, 2019 at 7:59 AM
Hello Beanies...hope everyone's doing well:-) this week i was just trying to settle into my new job (week2), there was lots happening, and LOL it almost seemed to me like my gap year never happened...i did go back to something familiar to my previous job, so this has both pros and cons...so, i didn't get time to watch any kdramas:-( i'm behind on all the shows now:-(....nevertheless i managed to finish watching Untamed (ep23-50) this week...and i have no words for it...it's so surreal to me, until August 2019 i never watched any Chinese dramas in its entirety and now, the only two C-dramas that i watched in its entirety have become my all time favourites (Untamed and The Longest Day)...to be honest, right now i don't feel like moving on from Untamed...after the show ended, i was on youtube looking at the behind the scenes videos and other videos of the various actors, their music videos, and more i watched i realized how fantastic the main leads and the supporting cast were, coz (and i did not actively realize this previously that) most of them are young men/idols who are part of the current pop culture and in this show they were so into their characters and played their characters so well...does anyone know where can i get to read the book in English...preferably legally...also, does anyone know if the animated series is available in english somewhere....i loved the story, the various family/friendship dynamics, the characters, everything about it...this show had good music and i loved the title song, though i'm not sure if i understood the lyrics correctly and/or maybe the translation was odd/off, but the song itself sounds so good...i think i can go on and on about Untamed right now but i'm more tempted to look at the behind the scene videos on youtube so i'm off there now:-) take care and have a good weekend ahead:-)...and because i have no one else say this to who would remotely care that i even said it (translation: i know no one in my life who watches kdramas or cdramas), so i write this here on DB that i loved especially the character of Lan Wangji:-) is he even better in the book or the show made him this good?
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beantown
November 15, 2019 at 8:13 AM
This is a link for the English translation!
https://www.asianovel.com/series/the-founder-of-diabolism
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outofthisworld 不愧是我 🏍
November 15, 2019 at 8:17 AM
You can read the Eng translation here:
https://exiledrebelsscanlations.com/novels/grandmaster-of-demonic-cultivation/
I have been totally sucked into The Untamed world - rewatched the drama, 2nd watch was even more amazing. If you have not, just try it. And I am someone who never rewatch a drama until now. Then you have the absolutely cute and hilarious BTS, interviews and so forth. Xiao Zhan and Wang Yibo are entertaining beyond words. The rest of the cast are talented as well.
I have not read the entire novel but I believe if you do, you will be impressed with how Xiao Zhan and WYB brought their characters to life. We can't ask for more. Even die hard fans of the novel who were initially sceptical of the adaptation were bowled over by Xiao Zhan and Wang Yibo
WYB who plays LWJ is my fave, I think he did a stunning job in delivering all the emotions that LWJ had beneath that stoic surface. I always find Lan Wangji's description in the novel kind of over the top - in terms of beauty, dignified presence and bearing yet WYB nailed it.
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egads aka Dame Maggie
November 15, 2019 at 8:39 AM
Quick warning, the extra chapters of the novel have some very explicit scenes and if this is not your cup of tea, I suggest skipping them.
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pcch2345
November 15, 2019 at 10:27 AM
thanks for the head's up:-)
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Trinity 🍆
November 15, 2019 at 9:19 AM
Welcome to the Beanies Untameables! A bunch of us have been spamming the fanwall for the last few months with images, gifs, and videos if you are interested.
And Lan Wangji is basically the same in the book vs the drama. The big difference is he is more aggressive towards pursuing Wei Wuxian (which of course had to be censored out).
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14 lino love bot
November 15, 2019 at 8:12 AM
Hello everyone and happy Friday!
It's actually 10 minutes away from Saturday in my country but I waited for this thread to let out my thoughts and ask for some advice.
I have a troubled friend. I don't really want to say that he's depressed but he constantly shares sad posts on social media, about being alone and wanting to be gone. Whenever we talk, it's always about him not being wanted. He's been my friend for two years and we are part of the same friend group but lately he's been isolating himself from us. Of course, we try our best to reach out to him. I try my best to cheer him up and give him encouraging words. I always do.
But sometimes it could just get exhausting talking to him and admitting this is making me feel guilty.
I know that I won't be able to handle a person when he or she is at his or her very worst but it bothers me to turn a blind eye to someone who clearly needs help, especially if that someone is dear to me. Then again, while I'm busy saving other people who are falling apart, who's going to save me? It's hard taking care of yourself when there's nothing left for you since you gave it all to someone else in need of help.
Yesterday, he thanked me for pulling him up. He thanked me for making him realize that the people who truly appreciate him are just in front of him. He thanked me for not giving up on him.
It warms my heart that I know I helped a person but deep inside I still fill empty. It's also not helping I've dropped all the kdramas I was watching before because school is that demanding. ☹️
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okiejune
November 15, 2019 at 12:20 PM
I hope your semester is ending soon so you will have some time to do things that you enjoy! Please don't feel guilty about taking care of yourself first - kind of like on airplanes where they tell you to put the air mask on yourself first before you help someone else - you need to be ok, especially when you are offering strong support to someone else. Don't feel guilty about feeling drained by another person or maybe not wanting to invest so much time and emotion, those are quite reasonable feelings! In the long run it is that person's own life, and they are the only person that can make things change. *hugs*
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lino love bot
November 16, 2019 at 3:03 AM
Christmas break is in 4 weeks so I guess I'll hold on to that haha! Thank you for these kind words. I'll keep it in mind! :)
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bbstl 🧹
November 15, 2019 at 2:23 PM
Can he be encouraged to seek help? Often schools have a Counseling Dept as part of their Medical Services, so that might be an option. He sounds quite depressed to me and probably needs more help than a friend can offer. Plus, it is important that you take care of your own mental and physical health first. Please don't feel guilty about not being able to help him more.
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15 Fly Colours
November 15, 2019 at 8:17 AM
Kdrama things I've enjoyed this week:
1. The fart song in Melo is my Nature
2. All the cuteness and Jang Dong Yoon pretiness in the Tale of Nokdu
3. Every secondary character in the Tale of Nokdu, except Nokdu's brother (sorry, bro, don't like your eyeshadow, don't buy your character's motivations)
4. The bathtub (no)kiss in Empress Ki. Very much in favour of TaWan's/Ji Chang Wook's personal hygiene. This drama seems to value hygiene too, because every other episode there's somebody having a bath, kakaka
Kdrama things that broke my heart this week:
1. My Country, eps. 10-12. Come on Show, you are unrelenting! Pleasepleaseplease give Seung Ho at least one happy moment
Kdrama things that left me indifferent this week:
1. The triple pregnancy combo in Empress Ki. I didn't watch further, but it just looks too makjang-y to me. Besides, I hate it that Nyang is pregnant and locked up instead of spending her time out in the world kicking ass
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LT is Irresistibly Indifferent and reminded of the slow march of death
November 15, 2019 at 10:38 AM
I believe that Nokdu's brother is on Nokdu's side and is working from within to monitor and ultimately foil any plan to kill his brother.
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Fly Colours
November 15, 2019 at 10:53 AM
That's a great theory! Didn't think of it. I hope it works out that way
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16 Trinity 🍆
November 15, 2019 at 8:35 AM
Off to my mom's this weekend to binge watch Extraordinary You, Tale of Nokdu and Vagabond. Not as thrilled about Vagabond but I am really liking Nokdu and EY (especially EY).
I've been in a bit of a drama slump these past few weeks. Except for what I'm watching with my mom every other weekend, I've not really been in the mood to watch anything. I have a few dramas I'm in the middle of watching and even if I was liking them, I've just not felt the urge to watch. So currently the only drama I'm currently watching is Love and Destiny. I'm about 20 episodes in and I'm quite liking it. Definitely gives me 10 Miles of Peach Blossom vibes, but it's still its own and unique drama (though I sometimes need to remind myself to not compare the 2). Ni Ni is just great as the innocent and cute Ling Xi. She is perfectly able to convey her innocent, kind and sweet personality. She could have easily come across as annoying but Ni Ni manages to make her lovable. It took me longer to warm up to Chang Chen mostly because I'm shallow and don't find him attractive and he seems so old, especially compared to Ni Ni (there is a 12 year difference). But I've slowly warmed up to him and his character. He's a good actor and seems to have good chemistry with Ni Ni, so I am able to ignore my shallowness (I would prefer an unattractive good actor over an attractive bad actor).
Hope everyone has a wonderful weekend! ❤️
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17 Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
November 15, 2019 at 9:04 AM
Rewatched part of the HBO series Rome, and besides liking it (of course), I'm suffering from cross-genre contamination. I keep picturing Jang Hyuk / Yi Ban-won in Rome. Also Caesar / Mark Antony / Attia in any kdrama :)
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suk
November 15, 2019 at 12:50 PM
Imagine if Yi Bang-won existed in Rome! History would be very different.
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18 welh
November 15, 2019 at 11:11 AM
There is a report that KBS Entertainment Weekly program will be ending after 36 years. It was a good entertainment news program; it had good interviews with actors and idols, but it also tackled deep social issues and crime stories.
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19 owl 🦉 🫰
November 15, 2019 at 11:18 AM
Hello there!
Tune in for Love (Korean movie) is a refreshing retro slice of life with our adorable Jung Hae-In and Kim Go-Eun. They’re good together. Hae-In as Hyun-Woo is one of those “if it wasn’t for bad luck I wouldn’t have any” kind of guys, but there’s a little twist ending. Ahhhh~
Chief of Staff season 2 is back on Netflix. A double dose of politics for politics sake, but I like Shin Mina and Lee Jung-jae, In fact its a whole staff of big-name actors.
My Country – royal and royal minion bloodshed is the name of the game, but Jang Hyuk is just so watchable!
VIP – can’t wait for captions for eps 5 and 6 soon!
Radio Star – this week was super entertaining in an off-the-wall sort of way. First of all, Solbi shined as she highlighted her participation in a Paris art show as the only Korean and 1 of 30 selected artists. Wow, that’s huge. Good to see her success. Then there was Dawn, aka HyunA’s boyfriend, who was awkwardly charming. It was a fun episode.
When the Camellia Blooms – Kim Ji-Seok as Jong-Ryeol has perfected the role of big jerk (remember him in Personal Taste?) No one ever wants to do the hard work of transformation; it’s a world of excuses and blame out there. I’ve only seen up to ep 14. (Check out Happy TOgether this week - the host cast is dressed up as Camellia characters.)
I love King of Masked Singer. Who could have predicted its success? And who is our bedazzling Handsome Guy?
Happy weekend beanies!
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20 CaroleMcDonnell
November 15, 2019 at 11:40 AM
Hi all:
Is it me but have jdramas become more pervy and nihilistic...ya know....than usual?
A really nice day today. Only around 36. Tomorrow is supposed to be bitterly cold. So i made sure i went outside.
Dramas:
Extraordinary You: I want an extraordinary ending. Nothing tropey but it must feel satisfactory and organic. I don't know why the writer is so mean. Either he/she is obsessive or emotionally stuck with issues or just plain into tropes and uncreative.
Miss Lee: Such a great drama. And i have now got a new crush.
Pegasus Market -- Poignant episode last week
My Country -- Am kinda missing the villain. But am staying for Bang Won.
VIP -- Tried to jump back in but was hopelessly confused. Will have to rewatch the last episode from last "season."
In addition to kdramas, am watching Junichi, In love with an ugly girl, Tune in for Love, and Stranded (a Thai drama), on Netflix and about to start You and I on the G String (jdrama) Chocolate (Korean.) Awaiting tons of Chinese dramas including Oath of Love.
Have a great weekend, all.
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owl 🦉 🫰
November 15, 2019 at 12:04 PM
I liked Tune in for Love ♥
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nininim
November 15, 2019 at 6:05 PM
I agree on miss lee! it really deserves more audience imho and yet i do understand that seeing people going through a what seem an endless dark tunnel could be hard to watch. I must say it was hard for me to watch the remaining Cheongil Electronics staff going through the hardships but i guess it was needed for them to reboot themselves.
The finale this week is greatly satisfying. It wasn't rushed. Everything just unfold by itself. Karma was bound to hit those who were against Cheongil and its so satisfying to see their downfall.
All of the cast did great in the drama. (Was so refreshing to watch a drama without a love line in the way tho we unexpectedly did get a bit of with kim hana and myung inho hehe)
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21 sisie1979
November 15, 2019 at 12:53 PM
HI All, I am not a DB registered member but i come here a lot to read recaps of shows i watched. I just recently got hooked on Kdrama the beginning of this year.
Just wondering why there isn't Script reading post or stills from Lee Min HO and Kim Go eun new Drama "The King: The Eternal Monarch".
Im Just curious as it is a highly anticipated drama, and i don't see a lot of update/script reading post like other dramas.
Thank you All. I have been enjoying DB and will be register member soon!
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Jamie Opso
November 16, 2019 at 5:37 PM
Welcome!
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22 theTINYL
November 15, 2019 at 1:22 PM
Happy happy happy weekend Beanies! I've been binging through Arsenal Military Academy and while I, admittedly, ffw through a lot of the politicking plotishness, watching Xiang's antics as a woman in drag in an all-men's situation makes me want to rewatch She's the Man with Amanda Bynes.
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23 sph_7
November 15, 2019 at 4:38 PM
Seems like I haven’t been on DB for years — but probably just a month passed.
What happened this past month? I enjoyed “My Private Life”. I flew to Taiwan for a Yeo Jin Goo fan meeting. OMG he’s a walking David IRL — sculptural features, flawless porcelain skin, and broad built shoulders. Had a short chance to speak to him at fan meeting and the next day at the airport. He is just too adorable. How well this little oppa has grown up.
Then I chained my feet to a desk for 2 weeks and worked extra hard to keep my mind from temptations to see him again (his fan meeting tour has 2 more stops). I think I’ve successfully suppressed the desire now.
Now off to find a drama with some crack. Any leads?
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kiara
November 15, 2019 at 7:43 PM
I'm happy and jealous that you got to meet Yeo Jin-goo.
Hope to see him in another sageuk soon. I need my sageuk fix after MY COUNTRY.
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sph_7
November 16, 2019 at 7:16 AM
Thanks. It was fun and memorable and I will never regret that impulsive decision.
I was just going to start My Country.
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24 samroy
November 15, 2019 at 11:51 PM
I currently have time to watch only 2 dramas at the most..I'm obsessed with Tale of Nokdu<3<3 and rewatching Solomon's Perjury (korean version) for a second time, years after I last watched it when it aired.
I did watch the first few episodes of Extraordinary you and liked it but was losing interest a little, so discontinued for now. Maybe I'll binge watch it later when I've time.
I'm busy preparing for my job exams so I don't think I'll add any other drama to watch after Nokdu ends. Hopefully next year will bring a new crop of dramas that can successfully hold my interest till the end.
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25 Dreamingdreams
November 17, 2019 at 6:58 AM
hey guysssss
i really want to talk about failing in love beacuse its so beautiful and i want to write recaps for it but i know dramabeans isnt taking writers in rn :'((((
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Beverly
November 17, 2019 at 7:53 AM
And that is why we have the fanwall. Go to town. If other Beanies are watching they will find you and if not you might convert us.
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