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Team Dramabeans: What we’re watching

So, what are we all watching this week?

What kept you reaching for more (or agonizing when there was no more), and what made you want to throw your remote through the screen? Time to weigh in…

 

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When the Camellia Blooms: I’ve been enjoying Camellia so much, but haven’t quite been able to find the words to express why I’m loving the show until now. The plot reads like a very straightforward romance, but what could have been a one-dimensional story is packed with nuance and the drama’s chock full interesting, multi-dimensional characters. That’s not to say the romance isn’t great! There’s something so sweet and pure between Dong-baek and Yong-shik. Though they’ve both dated before, it’s a lot like watching two people experience a first love. Yong-shik was a character I thought I wouldn’t like at first. I’m a bit tired of male leads who are pushy and “know” what’s best for their lady loves. Yong-shik seemed like he’d slot right into that sort of archetype as he wasn’t really great with boundaries in the early episodes. But the drama quickly showed that, though he’s definitely forceful when it comes to expressing himself, he doesn’t push himself onto Dong-baek. I love that we haven’t had a scene where he’s grabbed her wrist, but we have had one where he held out his hand and asked her to take it.

 

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Graceful Family: I absolutely love this show. The characters, the story, the twists… even the OST was awesome. I’ll look fondly at the whole cast after this, but I definitely had my faves in Im Soo-hyang, Bae Jong-ok, and Lee Kyu-han. Theirs was a great frenemy dynamic. Suk-hee, Han Jae-gook, and Wan-soo would’ve made great allies, but their tangled stories made it such that an alliance was impossible in this life. Their what ifs made for such great angst *wipes tears*. I hope this crackjang revival started by An Empress’s Dignity and continued by Graceful Family will continue into next year, because I love this trend and don’t want it to die.

Tale of Nokdu: I guess having one great episode this week is better than having two mediocre ones, but still… WHY DID WE ONLY HAVE ONE EPISODE??? I love all the mountain village widow+gisaeng stuff. The palace intrigue, not so much. Y’know Jung Jun-ho who plays the insecure king is one of my ajusshi faves, but much like my other fave Ahn Seok-hwan, they’re only great at heartwarming roles. They’re terrible at being villains and end up being annoyingly one-dimensional. It doesn’t help that Nokdu and Dong-joo are being such funny cuties that I end up resenting any screentime away from them. And we had 60 minutes stolen from us this week. *grumble grumble*

Pegasus Market: Still funny, but I love that it’s starting to develop a bit of heart now that Jung Bok-dong is feeling guilt about his employees who get affected by his self-sabotage plans. There’s really no big bad in this show which makes for a lighthearted watch. Park Ho-san is great as the twirly-mustached villain who can’t make sense of his hilariously dense spy. And it doesn’t help that there’s no method to Bok-dong’s madness, so he keeps receiving gibberish reports which his paranoia turns into complicated schemes. LOL The errant grandson VP is interesting too. I’m hoping that the Chairman will order him to work in Pegasus Market so he can have a similar redemption arc as Dongha in Chief Kim.

 

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When the Camellia Blooms: Even after 8 episodes, I don’t know if I quite like this show. It has all the pieces for the kind of weird, heartwarming-with-an-edge slice of life show that’s usually my #1 jam, but… the pieces don’t hold together for me. I think part of the problem is that it often shows and tells us different things. So we started out with a heroine who is unceasingly timid and suppressed in almost every aspect of her life—understandingly so, considering the people who surround her in Ongsan—but we’re told from the very start that she’s actually a hippo, deadly and strong. But that sets up this weird cognitive dissonance that never really gets resolved, even whan she starts to stand up for herself. I’d much rather we just saw Dong-baek as she is, someone who has a hard time confronting people because of the kind of life she’s lived. She doesn’t have to “show her claws,” as other characters tell her, in order to demonstrate how strong she is. And I feel like part of the show’s unevenness is that it seems to understand this in some moments, and not in others. I feel the same way about Yong-shik at times; is he an aw-shucks hero with a heart of gold, a clumsy but decent man doing his best, or an overbearing dude who needs to re-check his boundaries? The show doesn’t seem to know. The only one I really understand is Jong-ryeol. He might be severely misguided, and often acts like a jerk, but his motivations are clear and we know where he’s coming from. Dong-baek and Yong-shik often have me scratching my head with all the back-and-forth they keep doing. I don’t necessarily need to like them—this isn’t that kind of drama, heck, Oh Jung-se and Son Dam-bi are killing it as the despicable but hilarious No Gyu-tae and Hyang-mi, and the townspeople are deliciously hateful—but it would be nice if the leads felt authentic. Especially with Dong-baek, I feel like we’ve been told a lot about her history that in theory makes sense to make her the way she is, but something just feels… off. Still, I’ll keep watching. I’m rooting for Pil-gu above all else, and my only OTP is Pil-gu and his birth daddy.

 
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Pegasus Market (Episode 4)
Suk Goo’s brand of social bluntness really stood out in this episode, whether it be impressing Mi Ran with his loyalty or stunning Mr. Kwon with his logic or even weirding out the congressman with his headstand. I do find that arc a little bit contrived for creating some sort of conflict for the market since the episodic content we’ve gotten so far seems tied so far with neighbourhood folk problems and issues which has kept it breezy and light, but I trust that Bok Dong will come back and resolve this mess in a hilarious way: he is a good guy at heart even if he outmatches Suk Goo in being weird!

Extraordinary You
Subjectively speaking, the reveal that Baek Kyung had been self-aware for some time made me sympathise him less: a more gracious person would have apologised to Dan Oh for being so rude, instead, he continued bullying Ha Roo. From an objective perspective, Baek Kyung’s crude personality even in self-awareness (he should know now that his mother died in a overly contrived manner for the tropes, hence no stressful family environment excuse anymore) might have to do with character consistency. Him and Do Hwa have similar personalities in Shadow and Stage, whereas Dan Oh and Ha Roo have different ones: I wonder if this is indicative of Dan Oh and Ha Roo actually belonging to a different comic.

Tale of Nokdu
When Aengdoo appeared in the episode, I was already dreading the eventual expose of Nok Du’s disguise since she is a character added by the writer to inorganically speed up the plot, which culminated in that cliffhanger. I find myself at odds with the show at times since the politics are a bore (like I care about what grand plan the ministers have or whom the king wants killed) and there’s no doubt that dark cloud will develop more. For now however, I’m worried about what Yul Moo will do: he’s got the power, the jealousy and the knowledge. Will he be the archetypical k-drama second lead?

Melting Me Softly
There’s a lot in this show that is hilariously bad to watch: the two minions and the kidnapping (don’t get me started on how ridiculous that was), the evil CEO and secretary planning to kill people as per the villain manual (chair rocking and overacting notwithstanding), the overdramatic and shameless Byung Shim (the poor actor is getting typecast though), the non-apologetic Ha Young who doesn’t see how the train has already left the love station (let’s pray for no jealousy arc) and the flailing variety directors with zero character depth. I do like the moments between the main leads though!

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I think you are wrong: Baek Kyung has been on the verge of awakening for the past few episodes but finding the book was the final straw of acceptance. We'll see next episode if I'm correct.
Other than that, I agree he is unnecessarily rude and pushy and I think it's done purely to generate a conflict.

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i agree w/ nahaluk.

but even if Baek Kyung's been aware for longer than the last few minutes of that last ep, if u think about it from his POV, he still doesn't know he's in a manhwa.

he's experiencing memory loss which could have him lashing out even more.

I hope Joo-da becomes aware next~

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If you really want to know re. other characters becoming aware. Check out the release of MBC character descriptions. There are spoilers there. I admit to being surprised re. Joo Da’s. Do Hwa is too sweet for Joo Da.

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Extraordinary You
extraordinary You Rewatch
Extraordinary You BTS
Extraordinary You Insta tags :))

Camellia - show is still awesome and love it. Yong shik 💗

Graceful Family - done. Bitter sweet ending. Glad I watched this show.

Background watch Untamed at Episode 20!!

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MBC has released Extraordinary You character descriptions. There’s an English translation in another popular forum. But there are spoilers so beware. I admit to being shocked at some of the reveal.

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Woo-hoo! I'm with you! I'm totally loving Extra-Ordinary You 😍😋😁

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Melt Me is a disappointment. Not because of the ridiculousness and crazy humour (that bbq promotion of Na's family 😂)... but because of the general writing directions (and some directional choices of the PD). It didn't went where I wanted it to go... and went where I didn't want it to go... (And someone should explain to the PD / writer that the couple scenes in the freezer... or exchanges of the iced water are better romantic scenes than those completely random ones with sudden proximity and long stares).... And yet I'm still watching... because time to time I can feel the tragedy of lost 20 years... and lost love which can't be saved. (And yes, there is also Byung Shim (Shim Hyung Tak!!!) and his wife 😁 ).

Camellia isn't a show I'm rushing to watch (that's Extraordinary 😆)... but when I watch, it's such a pleasure. There is no weak actor and I savour every minute, even if it means watching Yong Shik worried about Joker being someone he knows... or Dong Baek braking down and wanting to leave the town. And... attorney Ja Young is slowly becoming one of my favourite characters.

Extraordinary is still extraordinarily good and still number one for me. (And Kim Hye Yoon's energy often reminds me of Jung Eun Ji (Reply 1997, Sassy Go Go)).

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Camellia moves so slowly. I can skip a couple of episodes yet find I have missed nothing material.

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I'm watching 'Melting Me Softly' but at this point its only to document the missed opportunities. The last episode I was thinking "Ah, they seem to have finally found something... wait... wait... no, they squandered it again." I'm concurrently watching 'Healer' for the first time just as a contrast. Comparing the two, you realize the hero of 'Melting' has not actually DONE anything yet, except get his old job back.

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Yes, it's indeed so many missed opportunities... sometimes I'm even grieving...

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- Completed -

Graceful Family: There were flaws in the writing department, well for Wang Joo's character, but that aside I loved Suk Hee, her partner Heo, the fish funeral, the secret birth and more clichés tropes. Earlier in the drama I thought the less predictable, Wan Soo, would be the murderer but I liked him so much I brushed this idea. That's a makjang I won't forget for sure!

The Great Show: The drama ended on happiness found in little but precious things like family. O6 wished it focused more on Dae Han and the kids, rather than have so many people not directly involved with family hijinks. The romance with Soo Hyun was unnecessary because she and Da Jung could have developed the same bound and SH would have almost the same character treatment.

Kinou Nani Tabeta? (What Did You Eat Yesterday?): Loved the recipes in each episode and the growth of Shiro as a closeted gay (outside of his family) and his boyfriend, the ever flamboyant Kenji. It was sweet to see Kenji trying his best to please Shiro and learn to have opened discussions, even with some burst of jealousy. Shiro becoming more comfortable going out in public and introducing him to his parents were the best achievement ever (the last episode!!). I liked this show a lot with food and warm feelings.

Saka no Tochu no Ie (A House On the Slope): I liked the ending with the final judgment. A person's environment can put so much pressure and doubts on one self that it's easy to just do something horrible at one moment when it was not something to do if friends, family, people really close didn't create so much confusion. I understand why a lot people talked about it.

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Beautiful Love, Wonderful Life: They added coma not for one but two people just to make things messier. At least, they stopped an affair I guess? The wife meets the mistress' oppa and just go crazy because she doesn't have a child to secure her place in the family. The other party involved is a friend of the wife's little sister who's hated by everyone and works for her exam. The big brother and her meet and they bicker. Oh and the dad in Graceful Family plays a sweet dad here I was shocked haha. At this rate, I'm going to count every trop used in each episode.

Extraordinary You: Could Fairy be some kind of guardian? He said he was an extra but we can't be sure. What if he had to guard the green hole to keep everything in order in the manhwa. He doesn't have power himself but can notify someone (the writer) that something is wrong. (Just adding that I liked Dan Oh's reference to Italy, pronounced Lee Tae Ri, the actor's name lol) Back to the actual episodes content, I started to get attached to Haru as he was showing more of his personality and expressions. Good move to make him disappear because I'm now curious to know what happened and if an other character could have the same faith. Was Haru sent back to the manhwa Flower...

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or as a nameless extra, the no-face kind? I don't think Kyung will be a villain, he's a huge jerk (nope, no backstory can make me feel pity for him) but not an antagonist who got rid of Haru. He was confused the all time, so I can't imagine him plan something against him in such a short time. Do Hwa is still trying to change his faith and I loved how Dan Oh and Haru helped him. I still think he will stay a second lead even in the shadow but I'm rooting for him! Or even for Do Hwa x Violin which is a love-hate relationship. I can't get enough of their absurd scenes 😂

Leverage: The team dynamics will be fun to watch, or so I hope. Kim Sae Ron must have fun filming her scenes but they could have made her and Yeo Hui Hyun's character more professional. Still, it's the beginning and Lee Dong Gun did a good job as a father desperately trying to save his son. I quite like Jeon Hye Bin's character. Nobody wants to cast her? No problem, she buys the whole theater lol I haven't warmed up to Kim Kwon's character yet but I hope to see him and Yeo Hui Hyun's character interact more (Marry Me Now reunion!)

The Lies Within: I'm not that interested in the cop parts. Like other Beanies said, the investigation team isn't bright and I was more interested in Lee Yoo Yeong's character. I don't think I will keep watching though.

My Country: on ep 5. I feel like Yeon will soon find out Hwi is her brother because he and Sun Ho aren't that subtle about keeping it secret. Madam Seo is ill but I feel like she will sacrifice herself to protect Hee Jae, maybe against the guy who caused trouble in Ihwara? Yi Bang Won is on the move with the throne successor and we will soon see Jeong Do Jeon! Sun Ho is joining the King's side, Hee Jae serves the Queen and the crow prince so, will we soon see Hwi working for Bang Won?

Ore no Hanashi wa Nagai (If Talking Paid): Ikuta Toma is back in a drama 😍😍😍 As it was just the first episode, I don't have much to comment than it seems like a slice-of-life, family drama with an unemployed man living with his mother and when his sister and her family joined them for a short time, she will make him found a job and become independent. It looks like they will talk about dreams with Toma's character whose coffee shop failed and his sister's husband giving up on music. The sister's daughter seems to have problems at school so that could be interested to get life advices from a good-for-nothing uncle. The sister seems to like controlling everyone's life and I hope she will understand she has to respect people's choices.

Pegasus Market: I think our dear Bok Dong is startiy to appreciate his work in Pegasus Market. That little smile when he saw the confortable mat and the kids wasn't a lie.

The Running Mates: This week's case was about workers union and longtime friends. Two episodes were necessary to fully go over this case since there was a lot to go through. Both...

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Both the workers/friends and inspectors. Seeing work conditions and workers rights not being respected always make me angry.

Secret Boutique: I believe Jenny and Jung Hyuk's relationship is a platonic relationship and they both care deeply for each other. JH said, as a teen, she was her best friend but I think she might have had a crush on him at the time. I'm still not sure now, but this relationship needs to be saved for my heart's sake. It was nice to see Hyun Ji and Sun Woo get closer and have more intimate discussions. Ye Nam and Tae Seok weren't actually romantically involved all these years, they just spent that night together after years. I found this ironic since we saw her mother having a similar relationship with her right hand(?).

Tale of Nokdu: Yeol Moo is really popular with ladies, isn't he 😂 Nok Du and he have some good comic chemistry going on. I wished he discovered that she is a he later just to have more misunderstanding scenes. I think he won't reveal Nok Du's secret judging from the next episode's preview, so what kind of deal will he, Nok Du and Dong Joo make? The little fiancée so far is used to cause more troubles for her "Unni" than making things smooth. Since more people knows his identity, it won't be long until he's outed. Nok Du's brother and father are either dead or imprisoned, even if I believe there's a higher chance for the former.

When The Camellia Blooms: Jung Ryeol... When will he understand getting close with Pil Gu as his son doesn't mean he can interfere in Dong Baek's life? I understand why she is so against him meddling in both her and PG's life. However, I just wish she tells her son he could decide on whether he can still meet his dad or not. DB's mom doesn't have dementia since she behaves like a totally sane person and Hyang Mi found her out. Is the ID card found with the corpse hers? I wouldn't be surprised if that's her real name or if she doesn't end up dead because of her multiple threats to many people, I would have been played by the writer all along. Is the person she was talking to near the building Joker or was it a red herring? I feel like we will have some plot twists going on. DB's mom must be involved in some shady things. No way she returned just because she missed her daughter. I like the lawyer, she has to put up with some much things because she stays herself, doesn't let pressure get to her (that mother-in-law arrrrrgh), is a capable woman and has her vulnerable moments.

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Several times while watching When the Camellia Blooms I have wondered if Dong Baek's mother is the Joker. Although I definitely agree that she doesn't seem like she has dementia, I still don't feel like she's totally sane.

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I thought she could end up killing Hyang Mi but not being Joker. It seems like she feels protective of DB and could see HM as a threat for both her and DB.

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Wow, mango. You watch a lot of show. How did you find time? Did you find the secret of time travel or freezing time, perhaps? Do share. :)

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Be a broken student ;)

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Where are you watching these j dramas?

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On drama nice :)

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Beautiful Love, Wonderful Life: What a mess of a show! It's like the writer decided to throw all the loudest most shocking tropes at high speed to see what will stick. I'm already exhausted at this point. I only hope Oh Min Suk won't spend the next 40 episodes of this drama in a coma because I was only invested this puppy.

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I think he will wake up when his wife and the other guy will fall for each other.

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Graceful Family's time skip frustrated me. Only in dramaland do characters reunite and talk as if digital communication doesn't exist. It's exposition for the audience but baffling given the characters' closeness.

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I was not even surprised of them using a timeskip with no communication. Gotta pill up these cliché tropes.

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I consider most K-drama last episode time-jumps to not really be part of the story. 'Pretty Noona who buys me food' ended, in my mind, with the hero going to America. Meeting again 4 years later was merely an addendum. There's some utility in time jumps *if* you want to see what the characters are like without all the sturm und drang of the previous episodes. Living 'normal' lives out from under the makjang cloud. Fan-servicing, basically.

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JAPAN -

BOUKYAKU NO SACHIKO - 8.5 out of 10. still. yes. 1st time i saw sachiko at manga magazine cover. As soon as i saw her eating food i knew she was something special and within 3 pages Shingo ran away. Manga has a very different appeal from the Live-action. Part is because of direction and part is because of Actor and acting. Art style and how dialogues are written makes is Quality media to cherish. So i do get the feel that Live-Action is more original than taking story from manga.

If Talking Paid - Ore no Hanashi wa Nagai - 8.5 out of 10. Must read Nippon Tv Description of show. Its far more strict and blunt. Really enjoyed the 1st episode. It was so refreshing. Maybe its because i'm coming across so much trash that even an above average show looks like decent. A possibility. Ikuta as brother and Koike Eiko as elder sister are perfect choice for the heir respective characters. Yasuda Ken as meta hsuband of Koike gems well. I say every actor looked comfortable and natural or maybe the characters are drawn so well that actor not much job to do. Niece-Mitsuru as pair is up there for action in their life. Don't assume anything naughty. I'm talking about progression of their growth. They aren't exactly a foil of each other but daughter-mother pair is ready to pinpong near future of Mitsuru.

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You Shine in the Moonlit Night - 7 out of 10. From Japanese Light Novel to Live-action. Same troupe of Heoine ill, Heroine no more. Seriosuly, a part of my heart is so disappointed. Kitamura Takumi 1st took the heartache in I want to eat your pancreas with Hamabe Minami and now with Mei Nagano. He did few ads with Hamabe as well as promotion of books. General Advertising trick.
Mei Nagano is cute and white as fog. What else?
Takumi is as usual. what else?

Where is the story? Theme? Purpose? Objective?
I want to live, you want to live. Everyone wants to live.
Everyone wants to be happy. Yes yes yes. Why do we need a movie for something we all know, experience, want to experience and seek.

Overall a timepass. It tackle heartache and -ve thoughts aka give Hero a proper answer. Pretty good answer and that's why i gave it 7.

There is much more to say but that kind of talk i reserve for kdramas for present.

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Japanese drama with @gledis-sotiri

What you eat yesterday - catching upto you guys
@moonbean started 4k and 8k viewing of Korea. I hope to see it in real too as a traveler.

Leverage - 4/10 dropped
The Trash Show - 3/10 big big family's happy outcome nonsense. This show is way more worse than wagebond.

Korean - Wagebond - Why i gave it this suitable name? Because Hero by all stereotypical measures a labour and he's proving that fact each and every episode. from job-to-justice.
In the 1st week of airing i said it - This kind of trash actually harms heroine a lot. Said last week - this trash is harmful to whole industry. Show any casual or nonasian content viewer this show and you will get your answer. All korean writers out there should form an association and sue the everyone involved at top for the production of this trash. This is why i say it again. if rating is good then surely you need to ask few questions to the audience.

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New jdramas, new schedule.
If talking paid - seems the kind of warm family drama I missed.
Cheat- boring. next.
This is not a business expense - I love it, although the details are a bit too much 😅
Boukyaku no Sachiko- it's calm and nice. a good healing drama.
Starting.
Ouroboros. - The cast.
Nippon Noir- it has subs so...
Motokare mania - curious about the story.
Sherlock- I hope it doesn't bore me.
History 3, make our days count - I'll see what happens.

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Ouroboros *chefs kiss*

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I will talk about Cheat and Nippon here.

This is not a Business Expense - got translation? wow. on google now.
Motokare Mania - I'm interested in this show too. Trailers are good. check their official twitter.

SACHIKO - deserves 8.5+. Check its manga.

Cheat - 4/10 Terrible. Everyone. What's up with the story and it characters and it rubs off badly on actors too. Writer was too confused with his/her own writing. messy 1st episode.

Nippon Nair - 4/10 Kaku Kento. It was also as much terrible as Cheat.

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business expense- check the fansub map.
motokare, I googled it with English title "ex-enthusiasts " and found it in a drama site.

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Is Nippon Noir a spin off/sequel of an other drama? If that's the case, can I watch only Nippon Noir?

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1. Extraordinary you- This show is amazing, and I don't even like teen dramas! I love all the boys (Oh Nam ju not so much but I suppose his character is pretty annoying the way it is written) and our main girl to pieces.
My country- I don't love the show but once I begin an episode I have to finish it.
Flower crew- I enjoy watching the main couple a lot.
Secret Boutique- I am a little behind but I am planning on binge watching this weekend

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EXTRAORDINARY YOU (Ep. 8): #obsessed. Whatever happens, don’t hurt Do-hwa show! He’s the most precious cheeky violin-playing second lead ever. Kyung needs a seaweed slap.

MY COUNTRY (Ep.4): Sun-ho’s descent into the fiery pits of villain hell seemed a bit sudden to me, but I haven’t quite digested this episode. Thank goodness for recaps and discussing with other beanies. This drama is character-driven so there is a lot to analyse yay!

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Also could @stroopwafel or other DB Staff add MY COUNTRY to the Currently Airing list? Please? Jang Hyuk and I will keep pestering you to do it. :P

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Yay you did it! Operation rescue abandoned lol.

MY COUNTRY is making me read and reread the history because we are given a chance to examine it from multiple characters' point of view.

Jang Hyuk and Kim Yeong-cheol especially bring so much to the table with charismatic overload performances in just a few minutes on screen.

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Yay success! Thank you DB Overlords. 😊

MY COUNTRY is a treat for the eyes and the brain! I love that there are multiples angles and possible interpretations of these characters and events.

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My head spins with this drama and I love it.

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@wishfultoki,
I just wanted to jump in here and congratulate you on preserving until victory was at hand. Lol. “The squeaky wheel gets the grease”.

Also I am sorry I haven’t been active so far on the MY COUNTRY discussion front as of yet. I hope to jump into with you guys soon. I will be going through the recaps. I love the history lessons so you will probably see some late comments.
Let me just say that I love it. What a great production.
In last weeks episodes I was sorry to see Sun-ho be such an ingrate to Hwi.

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Take your time. This show seems best savoured slowly, at least for me. See you in the recaps section!

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@marcusnyc20 bong-soo,
Glad to hear you're tuning in. I got behind in the recaps for WHEN THE CAMELLIA BLOOMS a couple of weeks ago, and it has been hard to catch up. So be kind to yourself. The recaps aren't going anywhere. MY COUNTRY is dense and detailed in a good way. We're finally seeing more of Yi Bang-won this weekend, and Jang Hyuk is magnificent, as expected.

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Thanks @wishfultoki and @pakalanapikake. Yes, Jang Hyuk did make quite the entry.
I am currently live watching CAMELLIA, VAGABOND and MY COUNTRY. A lot going on in all three.
I started as a catch up the wonderful MISAENG (2014). I am through episode 8. I am enjoying all of them and blessed that they all are (or were) recapped.

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@bong-soo @marcusnyc20
We saved you a seat so head over when you have time.

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Hi @kiara and thanks. I am waiting for the appearance of Mong-ju and Sambong.

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Unfortunately Mong-ju and Sambong would not make an appearance otherwise some of the fictional characters would not be relevant.

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Thank you, Minions for fixing the Currently Airing list. ;-) <3 <3 <3

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Hey Wishful, we always seem to like the same dramas! I just binged EY and it's almost crack. My Country started terrific but the last episode felt a bit draggy so I'm afraid it might not remain good till the end. The other show I like is Camellia. I'm not sure I'd like it so much if I hadnt seen Ha Neul in more serious roles where he doesn't exaggerate his overbite! I know he's sexy under all that goofiness!

I've dropped pretty much all the other dramas I started though I'm desultorily watching Nok Du still.

Are you watching anything else?

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Hi @barbrey! EY is on crack level for me but I’m scared it could crash and burn.

MY COUNTRY is a slow watch for me. I enjoy it more when discussing with beanies actually. I don’t know if it’s the subtitles or what but I’m not totally immersed in the story while I watch. It’s more of a brainy show for me.

I’m not watching anything else atm. I tried a few things but I think I need a break from Joseon sageuks. I also need some balance in my drama viewing life hehe.

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@wishfultoki, cc: @kiara
Truth to tell, MY COUNTRY's subtitles are okay, but seem a bit off. There was one overt howler in the ep. 3 scene of Park Chi-do lending his bow to Hwi to pick off the enemy general outside his tent ("buffalo horn arrow" instead of "buffalo horn bow"), which made me leery. I should be more grateful that the show has subtitles at all.

BTW: This morning I happened to watch an excerpt from EMPRESS KI, and was surprised to see Ha Ji-won using a tongah (split bamboo arrow guide) to shoot a pyeon-jeon "baby arrow" in an archery contest with Joo Jin-mo. So that's how they work. Cool!

You can clearly see the arrow inside the tongah starting @02:50.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMzxuxJ3HuQ

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I am watching Empress Ki right now! I remember seeing the same arrow guide in Chuno.

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Well you picked the best two. You might want to try Camellia as well once you're done. It's not crack but Kang Ha Neul is doing a clinic on how to act goofy without quite losing his sex appeal. And as always with the female lead, she picks roles with major character development so her character is growing on me too. I have to say they've been written with inconsistencies in character though, but that just tends to nag at me. The mystery is creepy and fun at the same time. Go figure.

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I'm not liking the subtitles at all.

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*sigh* I actually understood a few terms here and there in eps. 5-6, and the Netflix subtitles are not always accurate. For example, i heard someone called a "lowborn", but the word that was actually used was "butcher" (which is more specific than "lowborn" and a greater insult). With the Netflix translation we lose the historic meaning).

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@barbery,
CAMELLIA is one of the 3 dramas that I am live watching and the first time I have seen Kang Ha-neul. I love the show.
Recently I started MISAENG (2014). ( I am through episode 8 and love it!) It was on my list of well received dramas that I haven't seen. Anyway, I knew KHN was in it but it was probably an hour in before I realized that the character Baek-gi was being portrayed by KHN. He was totally unrecognizable. Every episode I stare at him to see the KHN connection between BG and Yong-sik.
Finally in episode 8 BG pursed his lips like he does with YS. That one little thing is the only connection I can find.
He created two totally different characters.

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I know exactly what you mean! On another blog, someone mentioned they thought Ha Neul wasnt attractive when they saw the promotional material. I posted up the photo of him and IU in Cosmo in response. Ha! But also said he was one of the best kdrama actors and if the character called for a goof he'd play one we couldn't tell from real. And so it is proving.

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@marcusnyc20 bong-soo,
Glad you're enjoying MISAENG. I loved Lee Sung-min's and Im Si-wan's performances to bits. It's been a couple of years since I saw it, so my memories of the show are a bit hazy. Keep an eye out for Mu Jin-sung (formerly Yeo Ui-joo) as new employee (intern?) Jang Ki-suk. He played Myongnong Seja's scene-stealing faithful bodyguard Kang-bok in THE KING'S DAUGHTER, SOO BAEK HYANG, and also appeared in TWO WEEKS, SHINE OR GO CRAZY, and SCHOLAR WHO WALKS THE NIGHT, in which he ended up as a vampire. -- What a great performance. I wish he'd do another sageuk.

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@pakalanapikake What what? Kang-bok was in MISAENG? Ok, I need a rewatch (It's only been 5 months since I rewatched it lol but my attention is always fixed on our four interns and their bosses). I will look out for uri steadfast bodyguard Kang-bok.

Also look out for a certain character from ARTHDAL, @marcusnyc20 (I won't tell you whom so I won't spoil it for you).

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@wishfultoki October 19, 2019 at 3:09 PM

I kid you not. Kang-bok in 21st century office worker garb. Actually, I think he's one of the herd of job candidates who gradually get weeded out. ;-)

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@pakalanapikake, @wishfultoki,
Follow up. I am leaving tonight on a 2 week tour of China so I will be in catch up mode upon my return.
I just wanted to let you know especially @wishfultoki that I was on the lookout In MISAENG for the
AC connection. Sure enough when the new character joined the team in episode 11 I thought it might be him and who was it but Moo-beak (Park Hae-noon) himself looking very spiffy clean shaven and in a suit! (He also seems to be carrying burdens in this drama.) Tbh without the hint I probably would not have picked up on him.
In another thread I mentioned that would make a terrible witness unlike you guys.
See you when I am back.

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Ugh. D*mn iPad.
“Moo-baek”.

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Have fun touring China @marcusnyc20! I’m so jealous.

I hope you enjoyed MISAENG.

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@marcusnyc20 bong-soo,

Have a wonderful time in China! @wishfultoki and I wil keep the recap comments hopping while you're away. ;-)

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Many thanks.

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I will now feel unsatisfied if Extraordinary You ends without a well deserved seaweed slap for Kyung! As much as I enjoy him playing a thoughtful puppy, Lee Jake Wool is deliciously bad. I love his glower.

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Flower Crew – I find myself dozing off multiple times while watching an episode these days. But even so, when Gae Ddong said she was ecstatic to finally have a real name as she had been randomly called Gae Ddong all this while, even in my half daze I had the sense to question: wasn’t that the name her brother called her (even when they were children escaping the mob)? So that had to be her real name, right? No? Aside from that obvious gaff, I think the problem with the show is, the ladies (both Gae Ddong and the mean girl, Ji Hwa) are just not engaging enough to make me want to root for their happiness. I want Gae Ddong to be less whiny and the mean girl to be less mean. I mean there is a difference between being mean to the help and being mean to your peers.

Tale of Nokdu – The lone episode this week had me cackling. I did not see the kiss (between the two men) coming and hell yeah, I want more of that! But the shirtless kiss at the end was very nice too. Gosh, Jang Dong Yoon is so good as both man and woman, I just don’t know who to ship him with!

Vagabond – Legit shipping Lily with NK hitman. Sparks were flying all over the place – and I don’t mean from gun fire.

Beautiful Love, Wonderful Life – They should have opened with this week’s episodes and did the first 2 weeks’ episodes as flashbacks. But I guess they thought shock value was the only way to hook viewers from the beginning.

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In Flower Crew I just want someone to assassinate the king so we can avoid all those weeks of angst and skip over the annoying second lead drama and save Gae Ddong from all those decisions she will need to make in deciding between the two. Just get rid of the king and be done with it.

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Yong Jiu's grocery store: If ypu missed a slice of life show, here is a great one. It is surprising and amusing how every kdrama beyond 60 min becomes tiring but this 90 min per episode Taiwanese drama doesn't even make me realize where all the time goes. It is so so good. But I know it definitely isn't for everyone as it is a slow, calming show watcged best before sleep. But I applaud everthing in it from the writing to the seamless past and present transitions and the beautiful actors and diversity. Most of all I think I love the unique accent they are speaking in.

Extraordinary you: It is good but maybe this weeks episodes were lesser good than the previous one.

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Thanks for your comment on Yong Jiu's grocery store. It's on my radar for a while but the subs seem to take a long time. I will wait until it's completed.

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I guess only one episode is left now. It has been really good so far.

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Oh thanks! I will watch it during winter holidays.

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The subs do take a long time on this show, but it is worth it.

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Tale of Nokdu: So before episode five I wanted to talk about Jo Soo-hyang and how I've missed her... But damn, this show is HOT. Jang Dong-yoon needs to stop playing perfect, beautiful characters because it's too much for my heart to bear.

When the Camellia Blooms: This drama loves taking a character you liked and throwing them under the bus - I've never once had a consistent thought on Hyang-mi, I just can't figure out whether I like her or not. That applies for the others too. Except Ja-young. She continues to be the heroine I need.

Extraordinary You: Show, I adore you, so I REALLY didn't want to do this, but... you're starting to get on my nerves. Stop taking my heroine and having her dragged around like a rag doll. Why would you even give me such a perfect heroine if you were going to toss all her agency to the magical fate-changing men? I continue to be obsessed with this drama, but the gender politics are starting to make me crazy.

Love That Makes You Cry: @cloggie, I picked this one up for you, and I like it. Not loads, but I like it. Two episodes left, and I think my favourite thing is Ibuki's transformation, from the optimist to the hardened corporate tool. It broke my heart when he didn't remember the old lady he cared for so much in the earlier episodes.

Kemono ni Narenai Watastitachi: @noobita, I can finally give a verdict. Although I don't think it was as good as some of Akiko Nogi's other dramas - Nigeru wa Haji or Unnatural, especially - this drama was a treat. It's one where I didn't understand how much I'd enjoyed it until the end. I loved the immorality of it - not meaning that the characters were bad, they were just different. It's the kind of drama where everyone hardly bats an eye to promiscuity, which was kind of refreshing. The character development is the best I've seen in ages, and the soundtrack was gorgeous.

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@frabbycrabsis,
Re CAMELLIA. I am a big fan of Yeom Hye-ran who is playing Ja-young (Attorney Hong). She is giving a terrific performance. It pleases me to see so many positive comments about her.
I loved her in LAWLESS LAWYER, LIVE and LIFE.

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I forgot she was in Live! I think she's wasted playing mother characters, to be honest, she's so charming.

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I adored her in LIFE!

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Re: Extraordinary You
SAME I mean why does she have to be dragged!!?

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It's so sad - she's a quirky, charming, unique new heroine, and yet she's subjected to the same treatment that has existed in dramas for years! People better start respecting her or I'll break my computer.

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It's true she was often dragged but she dragged them too. She is pretty strong in the shadow.

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I've been desperate for a Ja-youngxDong-baek drinking session since her failed attempt in ep 8 and was bummed it didn't happen this week.

I mean, really, it's about time the women who already run the town start hanging out at Camellia instead of the men for a change.

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Yes! Oh gosh, that's what the drama has been missing this whole time. Ja-young is potentially Dong Baek's greatest chance of an ally in this town now, and the show isn't using it!

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They've started to hint at it happening down the line, I swear, but I'm getting impatient! Hopefully the Hyang-mi revelation doesn't keep Ja-young away for too long.

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Extraordinary You: I like this drama a lot but for me Ha Ru is the least interesting character and Dan Oh less interesting around him.

When the Camellia Blooms: I think I'm enjoying this drama the most right now despite finding almost every character annoying. Poor Pil Gu. I knew DB's mom was faking. Hyang-mi is such bad news.

My Country: This might be the first saguek where I find the political maneuvering the most interesting part. Things I dislike: Sun ho, the romance and the twist with Hwi's sister. I get why they did a time jump in Episode 5 but man, time really stood still lol. I did like Hwi's 1392 version of a detective/serial killer wall.

Pegasus Market: Moon Seok-goo is so earnestly foolish it's hilarious that the Daema group guy keeps trying to enlist his services as a spy.

The Lies Within: Lee Yoo Young is so good but the investigation team is so bad.

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Agree re. ExtraOrd U. Haru is a somewhat colorless character up until now but perhaps it’ll change now he’s more than a nameless extra. That said, only 2 weeks left until it ends - will there be enough time?

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There are 16 episodes or 32 demi episodes. We have not reached the middle of the drama yet.

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I love Haru’s character lol (Not face of coz he’s handsome)

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I love, love Graceful Family. I could list all the things I enjoyed about the show but that may take a while.

I loved how consistent it was even to the end. There were no sudden character reversals. The baddies were baddies to the end, unapologetically so. I wasn't even worried when they couldn't find Ms Han. Running just wasn't her thing.

Pathetic Wan-soo oppa was pathetic to the end. He was never fully evil but never fully good either and that made me feel sorry for him. I would rather be one or the other.

Picasso's dad was useless to the end. He never had any real power and even though he sure thought so and that was his thing till the end. Picasso's mum. Hihi. I'll forever be grateful for her brand of crazy.

I want to be Suk-hee when I grow up. It takes guts to own your crazy the way she owned hers. Her theme song has become my own and I'll definitely be watching what will hopefully be well-written roles in her future.

The hero was a good guy to the end so yay consistency but let's just say I like 'em a little bad. Maybe if they'd put him in a leather jacket once? Oh well.

I will sincerely miss the Fish Family.

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*Spoilers* Come to think of it, the birth secret is kind of icky. It means that Suk Hee’s mother had an affair with her father-in-law (old Chairman Wang) while she was married and her mother-in-law was still alive. Her mother-in-law committed suicide later (based on ep14 conversation between Ms Jung & Suk Hee)

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Don't think so. Suk-hee wasn't her biological child. She just pretended to have given birth. So who was her real mother? I missed that.

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They didn't name her. Ms Jang said that the mother died so Ahn Jae Rim took Suk Hee in as her own.

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That's right. The biological mother was Grandfather's lover and never named. She's just a plot device. Even Suk Hee didn't seem curious about her.

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I think the birth mother died in a car accident or something like that.

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Speaking of car accidents, I don't remember the "accident" that crippled Grandpa among the list of Ms. Han's crimes. That alone should have been enough to put her away for 10 yrs. Can't believe that she could be living well again four years from now. Small price to pay for the wealth she surely accumulated while operating above the law.

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My Country: 7.0 (D)amnesia again. I forget everything else.

Pegasus Market: 9.5 Day 4 & 5
: watching a bunch of kids being obnoxious is not my idea of fun, but the payoff was LOL. Then I had to look up "muk". And somebody sure knows how to kowtow to modern-day royalty :)

Vagabond: 6.5 Lost a lot of points for an ending to day 9 that was unbelievable even by their standards. Team of assassins with orders to take out 2 targets and anyone who gets in the way doesn't take the chance to take out the targets and the two who are in the way. Sigh.

Leverage: 6.8 Kim Sae-ron has been great in the past, but it's been a while since I saw her in anything I really liked, so... Now *slightly* disappointed.

Melting Me Softly: 6.3 Have gotten tired of the TV executives. Got a big kick out of the current and 20-years-ago ways to study, because even the 20-years-ago was was newfangled for me.

Tale of Nokdu: 8.0 All those assassin widows... Hmmmm, did their assassin skills have anything to do with their becoming widows??? Were their husbands practice? Graduation exam?

When the Camellia Blooms: 6.5 So many people are making "Don't be a joke" comments it's like the Joker is a committee. If it isn't a bunch of them together, show deserves to lose points for being too manipulative with false leads.

Running Investigators: 3.0 Story moves too slowly with filler conversations. Even if you want to cover socially relevant subject you need to do it better. It didn't help that this week's subject has been covered by other kdramas.

Extraordinary You: 6.5 What has less control over the story than a supporting character? A viewer. And instead of scene changes with an odd sound effects and gaps in memory, I wake up to find that the scene has changed and I don't recall what happened while I was asleep.

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I checked the first ep of Leverage (mainly because of the actors)... and I'm not sure I will continue... the "one file only and no back up" cliche turned me off a lot. I may still check ep 2 with a (naive?) belief they do have a back up plan... and for Kim Kwon 🙂

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@lordcobol
I get that CAMELLIA's structure may not be to your liking.

However, @chandler and @purebristles noted this week - CAMELLIA is not the usual drama structure where viewers are given the inside scoop. If the writer wants us to interrogate the entire social response to family (and e.g. single mothers) - this simple suspission makes us do that without noticing. That mechanism makes us hyperaware of each character's growth and their hypocrisies - even the incidental ones -because we are so focused on questioning every characters motivations.

As @purebristles put it so beautifully:
..."film as a narrative medium, shows real mastery of the the craft of scriptwriting for tv where you force the medium to bow to the best way to tell the story"...

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I've been wondering if "don't be a joke" is a commonly used phrase in Korean that I just haven't been aware of before now. So many characters have said it! Kind of like "do you want to die?" Is a commonly used phrase.

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@csmith
Communities often develop their own sayings.

There are some amazing stories about over-winter Antarctic station. Particularly one year when the 1940's version of "Pride and Prejudice" became a thing in the camp (100+ times during the year).

The relief ship arrived only to find the entire station speaking to each other in a Jane Austen-esque manner - full of "elaborate courtesy and fine verbal flourishes". Apparently even just asking for the butter would elicit an entire courtly scene - 'Such affability, such graciousness - you overwhelm me!'

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@laica, you summed all my issues with Camelia and wrote it so much better than I will ever do.
I didn't have much time this week so I didn't catch with new episodes, mostly finished The Fearless and it was very satisfying watch, slow paced but without big dip in quality and really nice acting. Other than that American TV season started and I must admit I'm pretty disappointed by Nancy Drew unnecessary dark, heavy inspired by Veronica Mars, from new shows I'm really liking only Stumptown

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Vagabond Bobbybond Hungrybond!!!

Nothing makes sense to me in VB land and I'm just rolling with it. I have no clue what's going on with the politics and plane crash though. I'm too focused on other things. Kekekeke.

My Rock Candy ship has sunk and I'm fine. I hope writernim stop making out of place romcom scenes in the drama and force a love triangle. It is seriously not needed.

I lol-ed that Vagabond is a code name for a chicken shop . That was unexpected and Kim Sun Young as chicken place owner was a good surprise!

Dalgun Monkey King remains undestructible. His resilience is otherworldly. It's amazing. Not amazing for NIS though, they are of less skill and appear not smart. Lol

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Oopps..everything is in bold 😅

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Graceful Family: I still need to watch the final episode so I’ve been avoiding DB, but @mary I agree that this kind of makjang trend needs to continue. Especially if it keeps giving us kick ass women on both sides of the good/evil spectrum.

I could have done without one poorly written storyline though.

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@laica you summed up exactly how I feel about When the Camellia Blooms. While I still find myself watching it every week, I’m still not quite sure where to put my finger on what’s not clicking.

Extraordinary You has been a great watch for someone like me who doesn’t like high school dramas, but I must say that I’m more interested in the questions surrounding the setting and getting less invested in Dan Oh and Haru as individuals at the moment. But all in all, still very excited for the ride!

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Tale of Nokdu The little Aeng is so funny! She likes food and handsome men, she's the best :p

Flower Crew: Joseon Marriage Agency I hope the King won't become a villain :(

When the Camellia Blooms I didn't watch it yet.

Extraordinary You My favourite one! I love Dan-Oh! She's so cute with Haru :D

Secret Boutique Only one episode...I hate sports.

Beautiful Love, Wonderful Life The jump time was pretty sudden.

Bye bye Vagabond

My Country: The New Age It gives me the feelings to watch a movie (without end). I like the action, the politics, the humor, the relationships, the dialogues, everything! In Gyo-Jin is unrecognizable.

The Lies Within Lee Min Ki! The only one who seems to know what he's doing.

Melting Me Softly I will watch the next drama of JCW because this one I can't anymore...

Treadstone It looks interesting :)

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I thought I had missed one episode.

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