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Team Dramabeans: What we’re watching

So, what are we all watching this week?

What kept you reaching for more (or agonizing when there was no more), and what made you want to throw your remote through the screen? Time to weigh in…

 

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Vagabond: Wow. First thoughts? Wow. Hot mess. My favorite scenes were in the first 10 minutes of the show, when we got to see Lee Seung-gi’s audition to be a stuntman. I think that audition might have been the only portion of the drama I enjoyed. My main hope for the drama was great action scenes and an interesting plot. I’m not sure about the plot yet, but the Morocco action sequence was promising so I’m not writing Vagabond off yet. By far the weakest links in the show are the scenes in English and Suzy’s acting. I’ve never thought Suzy was the worst actor out there, but I find her best in roles that don’t require a lot of gravitas. So far, I find her utterly unbelievable as a black ops agent. When she was pretending to be a ditzy intern before switching to serious agent mode, it came off as cringey above all else. Maybe Shin Sung-rok can save the day?

 

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Currently recapping: Rookie Historian Gu Hae-ryung

When the Camellia Blooms: I wasn’t planning on watching this because it seemed like a straight up noona romance–a genre I’ve watched and liked a lot of but not in a hurry to watch the latest again, not in a week of premierepocalypse. Luckily, Netflix sneakily promoted it in my sister’s profile. Which, thank goodness or I would’ve missed out on this gem. It’s surprisingly zippy despite being set in a “sleepy” old town whose only attraction is marinated crabs and an uncaught serial murderer. The cast is populated with characters you *know* in real life. People who are sometimes funny and sometimes annoying. It’s like a giant family where everyone is all up in everyone else’s business and I’m already invested in the tangled relationships. I love timid Dong-baek who endures the judging and the gossip but fights when it counts. I love the hapless Yong-shik who’s most impressive when he’s not talking. LOL I wish the ajummas would eventually get past their biases and adopt Dong-baek like Yong-shik’s mom did, because right now they’re circling around her and treating her as an outcast when all she wants is a place to set down roots with her adorable and sadly too mature son.

Pegasus Market: In a complete reversal of my Camellia experience, Pegasus turned out just sort of okay compared to how much I’ve been hyped for it. Maybe I set my expectations too high and/or watched and read too many spoilers so I already knew most of what’s in the first episode. The pleasant surprise was in the editing. Bok-dong’s and Suk-goo’s introductions were funny, visually interesting, and had heart. All the Pegasus Market scenes were hilarious too. But, and I feel bad admitting this, my interest dipped when the show took a sudden, serious, sad detour to introduce Il-nam’s and In-dal’s sobstories. It just seemed out of place somehow? I hope we get less of that and more Pegasus shenanigans from now on. I just want Bok-dong to start upending the marketing rulebook in his petty revenge AND be increasingly frustrated as customers flock to his branch instead of being repelled. I was promised chaos. I expect oodles of it.

Love Alarm: I counted wrong and left one episode to watch this week instead of two LOL so there’s not much to discuss that I haven’t mentioned in past blurbs. The final episode was basically a setup for the next season, where Jojo is starting to open up and consider starting a new relationship with Hye-young but still a bit hung up on Sun-oh (and him on her). On the socio-tech side, Joalarm’s influence has spread even further and turned crushes into some sort of currency that divides the loves and love-nots. If I binged this in a short time, I would be one of the folks banging on Netflix’s offices to give us a season two. But by luck (or busy-ness?) I’m now okay with waiting for the next installment. That being said, my wishes are: for Jojo to be able to express her affections freely again, Gul-mi to realize who’s the real Joalarm developer and regret it for life, and Duk-gu–who I’m guessing is now leading the anti-Joalarm protests–to show up again and destroy Joalarm for good. (But not before Hye-young gets at least one heart on his app, the poor lonely puppy.)

Graceful Family: OMG y’all are right. This show is crackjang. An entire elite spy/intelligence/legal/errand team just to clean up after chaebol messes? And a kooky heiress they can’t control because she’s brimming with such chaotic energy? Yes, please! It’s like Veronica Park got dropped into a makjang show and survives by out-crazying the crazy. I’m not completely caught up yet, but my Bae Jong-ok bias is making me wish for her to side with Suk-hee (although I don’t know how to resolve that sticky situation with Yoon-do’s mom). Actually, I want Sleazy Oppa, Lil Bro, Sister-in-law, and even Picasso to eventually side with Suk-hee because they seem like nice people… relatively speaking. But I’ll take any twists you can throw at me, Show. Even one where Team Leader Han turns out to be Suk-hee’s mom. Give us the twistssss, preciousss…

 
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Vagabond: 8.0: Recommended if you like Lee Seung-Gi action scenes or Suzy's legs, and don't mind a stale old plot. Has there ever been a proposed arms deal in kdramaland without a huge conspiracy?

Arthdal Carrot Chronicles: 7.8: The Heaven's Gate of kdrama. For those who don't know, the original version of that movie was famously expensive, bad, and long. Wikipedia refers to Arsedal's "massive budget"; the "bad" parallel needs no explanation; and the rumors that it might continue past 3 parts would make "long" into the best comparison of all... Remember back when we were expecting Arsedal to be great because the PD and writers had about the best combined track record in history? Oh yes, and Heaven's Gate was a career-killer for the person mostly responsible. Not sure if there's just one person to blame for Arsedal. Writers? PD? Lighting guy? Choreographer of that Ago trial/river dance??! Time for a circular firing squad?

Flower Crew: Joseon Marriage Agency: 1.0: Too silly + too much glorification of the flower boys = Hwarang 2.0. Writer and/or PD have an idea of fun that has nothing in common with mine. Also, a version of Joseon where hordes of young women follow the matchmakers around is harder to believe in than hotels for dead people or alternate universes. Dropped 24 min into day 1.

Welcome 2 Life: 6.0:

When the Devil Calls Your Name: 7.6: Time was, selling your soul to the Devil meant dying and going to h*ll. Now it just means getting unfavorable comments on Dramabeans.

Rookie Historian Goo Hae-ryung: 7.5: Everything is coming together nicely, but this week we had Plot; not enough Greek Chorus.

The Great Show: 5.0: Dropped after day 3. I was expecting light found-family antics and they ambushed me with Serious when I wasn't in the mood. I expect most Beanies would like it more than I did.

Running Investigators: 6.0: Unpromising premise on an overdone theme, and too soon after Doctor Detective, but rather well done in a quirky sort of way.

When the Camellia Blooms: 6.0: Has possibilities; not actually good YET.

One show this week got a good score because of the subjective so-bad-it's-still-not-good factor and because of 2 new actresses. For actual quality the score would be about 3.0.

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Someone should've just killed Lee Seungi's dog. That's all the plot an action show needs these days ;)

"Not sure if there's just one person to blame for Arsedal."--> if there were it would be the one person who read the script treatment final draft with all the plot holes in it and said "Yeah seems legit, should do", and signed off on it...

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Your commentary on when the devil is funny, because it's true. lol

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“The Heaven's Gate of kdrama.“

*Almost * made me click on play!

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Tried to watch the first half of Vagabond. Netflix just doesn't realize some of us still need subtitles regardless of whether or not they're speaking English. Dropped like a hot potato. You mentioned Suzy's acting. For me, Lee Seung gi simply cannot engage me emotionally, never has in any drama I've seen him in. I was in the mood for action, but I really think some American had something to do with the drama because it's too shallow to be Korean, it's more like a Michael Bay-who-cares-about-the-characters drama. Even the little boy couldn't emote. Maybe it's the directing. But just, no.
Thanks-a-lot you've convinced me to drop Marriage Agency. If they'd just left out the silliness, plus Viki is taking forever to sub.
So, it's back to Untamed - a drama that totally engages you emotionally (at least after ep 14 where it really ramps up the emotional angst.)

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seungi is building international career.. too many partnerships with netflix right now

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@linda-palapala, I totally agree about Lee Seung gi. Just no there there, for me.

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And I'd really like there to be. You can tell he possesses the qualities, just doesn't come across for some reason. I guess my favorite drama of his was Gu Family.

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My favorite drama of LSG is My GF is nine-tailed fox, second is king 2 hearts. His female leads are wayyy better than that idol actress who can never acts. Hope VB dims her screentime to just 10% or even less. She does not need to be there, yes too cringey for an action drama.

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@candycane Oh, yeah, I also liked K2H. I couldn't watch it the 2nd time because the evil guy and evil lady were so evil I couldn't stand to even watch them on screen. But I love Ha Ji hwan in everything she's done.

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@candycane After thinking about it more, I take back what I said about Gu Family. I didn't like it, esp the female who played the drums and became a gisaeng.
My favorite then would be K2H. I also liked You're All Surrounded, but last week I tried to rewatch it and realized it was just the same tropes that's in everything. The first time I watched it I was new to kdrama and thought it was original!

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Have you watched my GF is nine-tailed fox? Watch it if you like Shin Mina, she is very pretty and her acting is good.

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I love Lee Seung Gi and Vagabond . Thumbs up to him for his great acting. 👍👏

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I hope they stop shaking the camera during the fight scenes... Also, can anybody please give the female lead a hair clip/tie?

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Need to catch up on: Pegasus Market, maybe watch Flower Crew and see if I like it

Be Melodramatic
Seeing the first kiss in episode 12 reminded me of another drama which also had a couple admit their feelings late into the show with a heartbroken coworker on the sidelines. That drama unfortunately didn’t handle the coworker’s arc well and had to rush his acceptance of him missing the train, but this show nicely avoided any mess with Hwan Dong! I also loved how Hye Jung admitted her own jealousy to Jin Joo and made amends (and her scenes with all the shade thrown towards her are peak comedy): surprisingly I am up for that hilarious love triangle between her and the two male CEOs!

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Hye Jung and her two suitors were so much fun! Her pretending to be a rabbit doesn't get old.

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That drunk dinner scene between Jin Joo and her sunbae, Hye Jung was gold. As Hye Jung acknowledges herself, she has an awful personality—but she's a wonderful character. Can you imagine a world where you had the presence of mind to be so articulate and cool as you threw shade and still maintain a good professional relationship?!

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How is it possible to love all the side characters so much! Second (or 3rd? 4th?) Hye Jung and the rabbit love triangle.

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ARTHDAL CHRONICLES (Ep.16/18): Thank goodness this ends tomorrow! Final review coming your way next week.

ROOKIE HISTORIAN GOO HAE RYUNG (Ep.10/20): I’m halfway through, and I actually like it very much! It’s light and fun without being superficial. My nerdy side is happy watching the historians at work and then doing my own research (see my fanwall). The female historians may be fictional, but they serve as our eyes and ears into the everyday functioning of the Office of Royal Decrees. After the darkness of Arthdal, this drama is a blessing for the eyes, with brilliant camera work and beautiful colours.

As a plus, I just learned that the PD directed THE KINGDOM OF THE WINDS, an all-time favourite of mine. So now I expect only good things going into the second half of ROOKIE HISTORIAN.

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Rookie Historian Goo Hae Ryung is the best! I feel so sad that it's ending already huhu I love Hae Ryung sooo much. My fave female lead of all time!!

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WASSSUPPPP

Tree With Deep Roots- Top 3 favourite shows ever. And I haven't even finished it.

Arthdal- please end. I haven't been sane this entire year. someone help me.

Let Me Here Your Song- Yeon Woo Jin in navy blue linen and slacks. that is all.

Vagabond- Lee Seungi, I did miss you you know.

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I have not watched Tree With Deep Roots yet. Sounds like I need to!😀

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I tried Tree many times, could never get into it. I'll not try again.

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same here.. just couldn't get past ep 2..

which is weird because i literally binge watched six flying dragons

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I didn't much like the beginning (childhood part) either. It got a lot better once they grew up.
(For that matter, I almost never like the childhood part of any show that has them grow up).

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@lordcobol I usually like the childhood trauma backstory but find it more palatable as flashbacks. However much I loved them in kdramas at first, I'm getting really tired of the same old thing. Surely some genius will come along and find a new twist to this tired trope.

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Interesting. But fair enough- I'm the same with another much loved Beanie show.
What didn't you like about it/ made you unable to get into it?

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It's been so long I can barely remember. I don't care for Jang hyuk much. I rolled my eyes a few times (but don't recall why). It just didn't appeal. And I wanted a good story about the Korean language beginnings.

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Ah ok. I'm loving Jang Hyuk but I totally get why you wouldn't haha.
And I also rolled my eyes a lot- took me some time to get used to the style of action and directing. I do think the latter half of it is strongest when it comes to the language, or well writing system side of things but if you can't get through it don't force yourself.
I can't recommend anything else if you wanted still to see that story on screen but @kiara might be able to.

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@sicarius Re Jang Hyuk. The first time I saw him was in Chuno. He drove me nuts with his over-acting. It didn't fit in with the drama or the rest of the cast. I loved his companions.
Then I heard Fated to Love You was good, so I tried that one. He acted exactly the same as he did in Chuno.
By the time I got to Tree I was like, no.

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*nods* that makes sense. This is my first time seeing him in anything.

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I love Jang Hyuk to the moon and back. He is unique and ridiculously good in sageuks.

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I found it took several episodes to get into Tree before it got awesome (there is a whole lot of shouting and overacting in the initial episodes). The ending is a bit of a letdown as well, but middle is great.

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shh noo don't say that I've finished it yet ahhh *already kinda knows how it ends lol*

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There is definitely some bias because I'm a linguistics freak and so a political sageuk about the creation of hangul is like a show that was written especially for me.
It's not perfect but I think the character writing, carried by phenomenal acting, is exceptional, and its story keeps me rivited every episode and deals with some things that I don't think that many shows dare deal with so I like that. Unfortunately the "villains", whilst I understand them are a bit boring for me at times.
I completely understand if people don't like it, but I would be curious as to know why, and if they think it's technically bad or just not for them.
Anyway I would highly recommend it.

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It has been a while but what I love most about TWDR was the convincing acting by Han Suk-kyu and emotional intensity from Song Joong-ki's performance.
The face off with his father who ruled with an iron fist was some of my favorites.
Han was magnificent in making King Sejong realistic even though the story was a work of fiction. Yes he created Hangul but that's not how it happened.

The Villains didn't make much sense to me so I didn't care for their cause. It was all King Sejong to me.

TWDR is based on a novel of the same name but I think the drama is mostly made up by the writers.

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"Yes he created Hangul but that's not how it happened."
Yeah I know, you've mentioned it before haha. I presume you mean in details like involvement of the court maids, and how he went about researching phonology with a man who can make animal sounds, and Phags Pa and that kind of thing-- what else was purely fiction? I've only really read brief overviews on the creation of hangul. I know much more about the technical linguistics of it than the "HOW"- I kinda got the feeling they didn't know much about the how of the creation irl?

The Villains bother me because they take up so much of the internal drama and reason for Sejong's actions. It can be quite tiring cos their political reasons for hating a new writing system, are I guess understandable under context of the time period, but just seem ridiculous to me whenever Sejong proves otherwise, so I don't see why I should care about them. Except for the fact that everyone else in the show DOES care about them.

Whatever the case, I really like how Chaeyoon and Sejong are written and developed, fictional or know, it's good writing from a storytelling perspective, even if they did take liberties with history.

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Well, sounds like I need to watch TWDR soon, if anything, to see Song Joong Ki in a good drama again.

It’s been in my list for a while now.

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@sicarius try The King's Letters, a new film about creation of Hangul.

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You should try CONSPIRACY IN THE COURT from (2007).

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My non-airing Sageuk schedule after finishing TWDR is currently:
Six Flying Dragons
Queen for Seven Days
Queen Seondeok
Given how long two of those are it could be a year before I get to another, but I'll put it on my list.
What is Conspiracy in The Court about?

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Let me know when you start Six Flying Dragons because I want to watch it too and even if we can watch it together we can at least watch it at the same pace and talk about it. I'd like a drama buddy.

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Lol ok. I'm planning on finishing TWDR this week, bingeing Circle next week end and starting it after that ... not that everything goes according to plan but *shrugs*

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Well, that's interesting - I didn't like anything on your list, but mostly because of the lead females.
Queen for 7 Days - can't stand the female lead
Queen Seondeok - couldn't stand the female lead. Only watched the parts I could find with Kim Nam-gil. Oh, yeah, I forgot I couldn't stand the other male lead either.
Six Flying Dragons, tried and failed.

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LOL!!!!!! I'll bear it in mind.
QS- Silla is my favourite era in Korean history, plus it's by the same people as TWDR so I wanna try it.
But maybe these epic political sagueks just aren't for you hahaha

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@sicarius As much love as Queen Seondeok got I thought it too predictable and badly acted. When I kept on predicting "what was going to happen next" I gave up.
I loved Jumong and Kingdom of the Winds, but at that time I was really into Song Il guk in anything. One of my favorites still is Kimchee Family (Fermentation Family).

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I'm a bit tired of Joseon sageuks, and older Korean history interests me more, so once I'm done with TWDR, SFD (and maybe Nokdu- just remembered that one, and QF7D), I want to divert my attention to the older Korean Kingdoms. I do actually think Jumong was on my radar for this, as it's Gojoseon-Goguryeo, and I see Kingdom of the Winds is Three Kingdoms. There aren't many shows set in Gojoseon and The Three Kingdoms (which MAKES ME MAD) so I will also put that on my list, to compare to QS and others. I will not be running out of sageuk content any time soon I see...

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@sicarius

There were more written about Silla than Baekje and Goguryeo so when I first started watching sageuks, Silla was my favorite until I read more about Goguryeo.
Goguryeo (love how it's pronounced too) is my favorite and Baekje 2nd.

Goguryeo put ancient Korea on the map under Gwanggaeto the Great.
When you watch SFD you'll understand why General Choi Young wanted to give Liaodong Peninsula a final shot. It used to be a part of Goguryeo and that was their only chance to take it back.

QSD was a mess imo. It should've been called MISHIL instead.
I'm probably the only one that didn't care about Bidam. They basically changed SIlla's history upside down to accommodate the fans' demand.

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@kiara and yet there still aren't that many. tsk.
I like Silla, but I'll still pick anything Three Kingdoms over Joseon. Sorry Joseon.

Man now I have mixed feelings about QSD being on my list! I usually hate anything changed for "what the fans want reee"

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Yes, yes to SIX FLYING DRAGONS! though for me it was tough getting through the first few episodes.

QUEEN SEON DUK may look dated but it's fun (at least for 50 episodes, I skipped to the end after that). Unlike LindaPalapala I liked the female lead and thought Kim Nam Gil's character was overrated. I was mainly a fan of Mishil though.

I wasn't too enthused about QUEEN FOR SEVEN DAYS though DB Overlords loved it. I preferred REBEL THIEF WHO STOLE THE PEOPLE for a Yeonsangun-related drama.

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Didn't the actress who played Queen Seonduk win a prestigious award for her acting?

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well, at least I will still have dramas to watch when I die I guess.

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CONSPIRACY IN THE COURT only has 8 episodes but it was hard to watch.
Read this and decide if it's for you :).
https://screenanarchy.com/2008/08/sageuk-world-special-pt1-conspiracy-in-the-court.html

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I really liked the initial episodes of Conspiracy, but I wasn't a fan of the ending - it felt like all the complicated plotting boiled down to who could run the fastest (which may be an accurate reflection of how peoples' fate is often decided, but felt lazy from a writing perspective).

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My goodness is that a thesis and a half. Will read at a later date yikes.
I'm guessing my question of "how is it hard to watch" will be answered upon reading said thesis? lol

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Re Vagabond, I can't decide if my irrational fondness for Seungi outweighs my irrational dislike of Suzy. Stalking Dramabeans comments on this drama to find out. Meanwhile, I'm watching him babysit adorable toddlers in Little Forest😍

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@bluekitchen I really like how you say that: "can't decide if my irrational fondness for Seungi outweighs my irrational dislike of Suzy." I can SO relate to that. I am trying really hard to overlook my dislike of Suzy, but even watching her puffed up plastic surgery lip is irritating. Why on earth do people do that making it so their teeth show half the time when their mouth is closed? She is pretty enough I doubt she ever needed any enhancement to begin with. So far in the episodes Suzy hasn't had to do much acting, so I'm not going to complain yet about that. Her presence has mostly been showing off her face and body. Still I really liked the show as there is a lot of action and I have always liked Lee Seung Gi who seems to have thrown himself into this role so far.

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I didn't even like Lee Seungi in Vagabond. But I'm curious now if he's better as himself in Little Forest.

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For me, he seems naturally sweet and awkward and eager to please. I liked him more in Little Forest than Gumiho. But he lost some of the hotness from Korean Odyssey. He's just this uncle from next door. Incredibly charming in his own way.

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I love these kinds of conversations because Hwayugi is the only reason I saw what all the fuss about him was at all...
I didn't really like him before that... LMAO

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I think it's weird that I never understood what people saw in him until l saw Shining Inheritance and... that show is bad and his character is terrible.

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@leetennant Wait, you're confusing me. So you didn't like Shining Inheritance and his character is terrible - but did you like Lee Seung gi, the actor, but not the character? Is that because he did such an outstanding job acting?

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You're meant to be confused @linda-palapala. I'm confused too. Shining Inheritance is terrible but I couldn't stop watching and openly recommend it as great crack. And I walked away from it liking LSG despite having every reason not to.

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@leetennant maybe LSG is just a magical leprechaun then. I see know other feasible explanation.

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I actually do have an answer @sicarius @linda-palapala

It's because as regressive as his character was, LSG really showed me a good man ruined by entitlement. Even when his character was being a total dick, I could see the person he was below it and so I believed it when he began to change.

I find a lot of people cast LSG in roles like Gumiho where I found everyone and everything insufferable. This is the first role where I felt he was trying to portray a character. And that was why I went, "oh, I get it". Finally. Despite everything.

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*meanwhile me and Hwayugi: oh I just like him cos the Monkey King is Chaotic Neutral AF*

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i stopped watching little forest..but thought of checking it out yesterday, and where are the two boys? - the one who came in ep 1 (4 yr old, super shy) and then the other one who was competitor for the big 7 yr old (remember the new boy in ep 3 or 4 who was very sorted)

and they have a new older girl now.. and a new baby boy.. what personalities do they have?

older girl seems like someone 7 yr old likes (he moved on from brooke? :P ) - and she seems to be the prim and proper, high maintenance , eating her bread pizza style :P

and that baby boy.. looks like very fidegty

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I'm only in EP4. Watch this in spurts between work. It's so relaxing, like goldfish but I don't have to change the water. Kids + trees + actors with parental instincts = little bubble of happiness.

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Vagabond- the directing of episode one was good, and I thought it was a solid first episode, however it's far far to early for me to say anything about the rest of it- the characters, the treatment of the plot, the direction of the story, Suzy's acting etc etc.
I'm watching this with like no expectation of it being good, I just want a potentially trashy action flick with Lee Seungi in it.

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Yeah, well I was really looking forward all week to a trashy action flick (I even like Michael Bay) with Lee Seungi, but...ouch.
(I'm going to try again tomorrow).

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Don't force yourself to watch trash like I do Linda. just let me suffer instead. I'm used to it.

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Linda,
I like all kinds of action trash lol.
Bourne series action trash is one of my favorites especially "“The Bourne Supremacy” and “The Bourne Ultimatum” with Paul Greengrass's shaky-cam.
I know a lot of people hated it but I'll take that over CGI any day.

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I don't suffer through trash. I find most of it hilarious. *shoot me*

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@kiara hey now the Bourne series was actually revolutionary in the action scene and way ahead of its time. It might be debatebly trash in other ways, but it has good action. *although we do have it to thank for all the shaky cam action, yes, but it at least used it decently- everyone since just fails miserably and it gets worse every year* *thanks a lot Bourne* *I can't wait for all the John Wick wannabes to come out in the next ten years. not*
I also love the Bourne trilogy. And I am actually so far liking Vagabond because it's exactly what I expected to be and I find it, as you said, hilarious. If it gets unbearably shit later on though I will say I told you so to everyone. I reserve that right :P

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I'm rooting for Vagabond to do well though. I love the team who created GIANT and I'm counting on the veterans to save it.

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And so it begins....
*puts on popcorn*

I'm not watching Vagabond. I'm just stalking comment sections with popcorn for the inevitable Suzy fan/antifan fight.

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I prefer nachos, thank you.

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*whips up some nachos*

I also have ramen hiding if someone would prefer that. We get an extra member or two we could form some sort of club.

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@leetennant This is how obsessions go: I've been eating nachos for weeks now.

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Will bring the guacamole.

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There is something about the way people hate her that make me want to proclaim her the best actress ever....and I've never watched her in anything, but maybe an ep or two of While You Were Sleeping.
I am planning to watch Vagabond, so I guess I'll see, lol.

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I've never seen Suzy in anything either and I honestly couldn't care less about her lol

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There’s that contrarian attitude! But, sometimes, it’s more fun to throw gasoline on the fire...although maybe not here at DB.

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@leetennant Made nachos, watched both episodes of Vagabond (minus quite a bit of ff to just the LSG scenes). See my post below (or is it above?) for details.

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I just finished the 2nd episode of Vagabond. You know that saying the evil guy in cartoons says "Rats - foiled again!" I laughed at the bad guy in Vagabond because he might as well have kept saying that.
A little parkour (isn't that passe?) and Lee Seung gi's action/parkour - he should have been killed a dozen times or at least ended up in the hospital for a couple months. But no, he limps into the hall all bloody and limping and the people don't even acknowledge the blood or suggest he go to the hospital. They simply listen to him yell a lot.
Suzy should definitely get fired as an agent.

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LMAO I KNOW THEY ALL JUST IGNORED HIS BLEEDING HEAD AND HE GOT STICHEST OFF SCREEN
Honestly, I was expecting this kind of thing. I was expecting impossible action and tiny plot holes and random and ridiculous events to happen all the time and I was right. So because of that I'm just gonna frakking enjoy this mess of a ride. Every time LSG looses his temper and beats someone up I just laugh.

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But wouldn't a drinking game be better?

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Would alcohol help me through some of the things I decide to watch?
Oh undoubtedly.
So why don't I?
Apparently I like pain.
I've shitposted this entire year sober, we can't stop now. 😭😭😭

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@sicarius Who said anything about drinking alcohol?? Ha - one sip and I'd be like LanZhan.

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WELL NOW I NEED A MARTINI AND I BLAME YOU

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You're right. @linda-palapala
I will drink a shot of tea every time something stupid happens.

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Yay forTWDR ! Have you watched the K movie , The King’s Letters ? Pretty interesting take on how the Hangul alphabet came into being.

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I knew KING'S LETTERS wouldn't be well received by the locals. It's a movie but it's a disservice to King Sejong's accomplishments.
It was no secret that he gave government position to talented commoners.

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@kiara I was wondering what your take was on THE KING’S LETTERS since I have it queued up on Viki. I guess I will let it go. If it is a thumbs down for you that is all I need to know.
Expand a bit (if you will) on what was wrong with the film.

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Mmm please do expand more!

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@bong-soo @marcusnyc20 and @sicarius

Oh no please check it out. It's interesting but I didn't like how they made Shinmi (the monk) out to be the real inventor of Hangul.
I know it's just a movie but they have no real evidence for such a bold move.
Maybe I'm too much of a King Sejong fangirl lol.

Two of my favorite film actors played the two main characters, Park Hae-il and Song Kang-ho. It's always a treat to watch them on the big screen.

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@kiara, nah that would annoy me too hahah.
Might watch it anyway but will keep the fictionised version of events in mind.

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I have not. Interesting in what way? @kiara's comment is putting me off a bit haha.

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That's just me being biased so don't let it put you off.

Song Kang-ho's King Sejong is more human than any other version I've seen.

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Your argument for watching Let Me Hear Your Song is horribly persuasive

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LMAO! The drama is average though hahaha

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CRICKET - no test cricket so i've lot of time to devote to tv shows

SLOW TV - google and you will find dozen such shows. To those who want something pleasent, real nd soothing experience. @wapzy @beantown
Not for those who are in cheesy stuff. This suits my style, might not go well with you.

JAPAN

Fortuna's Eye - Must watch. Those who liked My Tomorrow, Your Yesterday gonna like the movie. This is notexactly a romance movie. That's makes it more better.

L-dk - two loves under one roof - typical shoujo trash. Ryusei is just everywhere in japanese media. he and most other idols must join theatre for atleast a few months.

Dakara Watashi wa Oshimashita - Shiraishi Sei hs become such comepetition to other young Actoresss. Watch this.
Okazu-kun in the Ad Agency's Men's Dorm - try it
Nagi's Long Vacation - Award winning manga and such a frustrating show. Erika Karata keeps you in. Quite slow even for a Japanese show.
Runway 24 -
Watashi Teiji de Kaerimasu - Completed 2 weeks ago. Nice outcome.
Welcome to our Home - Episode 06 watching today. still quite good if you ignore few things.

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Korea -

Yoo na's Street - 8out of 10 Episode 37,38,39,40,41 - Cat fights. 42 - 1st kiss scene of the show like it even matters.

Human Rights - 7/10 show one should watch. Jo Kyung Ho and Lee Yo Won are the actors who know what a script means. You can trust their chocies.
Story has typicl kdrama elements but direction and music choice is quite good and we have Lee-Yo-Won so watch it

VAGA - 6/10 I gave ratings to this show based on trailers itself. As i expected pretty terrible show. Troupe of sexy female agent.
this guy does action-romance like one other guy and both always accept worst scripts. Even james Bond Can't survive that plane crash.
Plane crash scene is beautiful.
Key scene - when news is broadcast and we see his emotions. 2nd last 10 minutes of fight scene.
Wobbling camera might annoy many but i like it. gives you more real feel.
Nephew-Uncle tweak done by writer and they are each other's only family but the show was so desperate to move into action that it just poked over such a big event.
Overall, this show won't improve and might hit new lows in writing. Mindless entertainment enjoy.

ARTH - 7/10 That waterfall scene is enough to sooth your frustration to a bit. Such progress everywhere but they don't even have a basic map. Making flashy flag. heh. Even Hero got a flag withing a day
Eunseom is building a harem. Writer screwed up from the start. Tagon has ambitions, taelha knows the ways and after so many years what they hava? A FLASHY FLAG.
20 hours and you can't build a world system?

Devil - 7/10 I will just watch episode 16 and rate it - dropped

Single Mother 4/10 - 1st episode dropped - trash

Issue Makers - 4/10 - 10 episodes of 15 minutes.

Trash Show - dropped 4/10 . this show is irredeemable and someone was anti-abortion here. 4 kids+1 unborn+ 20years old father.

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YOONA's STREET <3.

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Yoona's Street is really underrated. Such an original show with unique characters and story. For those who are tired of cliches and cardboard cutout characters.

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Guilty of loving Yoona's Street so much i even watch with very very poor subtitles for the toward end episodes.

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"Tagon has ambitions, taelha knows the ways and after so many years what they hava? A FLASHY FLAG."

I laughed way too hard at this. And you're totally right.

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Chinese

Shall I Compare You to a Spring Day - one of the worst Hero you will ever see. Almost ruined the life of 2 girls and a woman Atleast 1 girl got happy family life. I saw the poster and then saw subs have been released recently. Poster Actress attracted attention. I watched the show for her. This show was such a frustrating watch. Zhou Dong Yu gets into you heart with her smiles and laughter. her character was hurt the most in the drama.

Mountain and oceans - 4/10 7 episode dropped. usual Chinese romance trash. annoying heroine.
My Neighbour Can't sleep - 4/10 2 episodes dropped. porn
Pushing Hands - ep31 - 6/10. now the secret is out.
The Sand Princess - 6/10 nonsense and ppl like it. nothing makes sense in the show. typical characters. physical proximity shown as affection. fast feelings develop.

9KM of love - 4/10 dropped. as usual annoying heroine. bad acting. Whitwashed everything.

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Watched Alone Together(6/10) - English show of friends having no lover. This reminded me of Be Melodramatic(7/10) and why i started to reduce its rating. If you have experience of English Sitcoms and rom-coms then you can see quite similarity between two. As i said last week - what is pros of Melo is also its cons. At certain level all characters are almost same. This repetitiveness let's you see them what they are - Fictional Characters. Same goes for the story. Those who ever went into Play writing - Plays that you act in theatres of even streets then you might be able to see writing style. That's why i said matches with my style. I concentrate on Human traits and attributes and then apply them on characters. Technical writing leaves a big void in emotional writing. These characters look more like sherlock than normal human beings and Writer through female-scriptwriter-character SELF INSERTS and then goes on long rants of gibberish. fast, effective and provides less time to process but when you analysis all her talks come out hypocritical nonsense.

Writer just vents his/her frustrations through femalescriptwriter and that makes her loose points.

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Slow tv? Is that similar to my heroine? my chinese back-to-nature pioneer?

https://youtu.be/vaf3Z-tNXqM

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hahaha You know? you watch? you a follower? a subscriber? My mother is into gardening and so i'm and yes i'm a long time viewer of her and similar concepts
like long tour of a city - mostly of Japan and China.

Well, you asked about fictional media then Dakara and Sumu Sumu are the best ones. I consider slice of life relationship dramas the the perfect normal ones. You used other word for them.

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For slow TV fans I recommend The Ghan: Australia's Greatest Train Journey.

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Still watching only 2 dramas for now - Arthdal Chronicles and Rookie Historian Goo Hae-ryung. With too many tribes in Arthdal, I'm getting confused but I the story is really moving fast. I hope there's more Eunseom rather than Saya. In Rookie - with the last two episodes coming, I really hope Yi Rim finds the chance to be together with Hae-ryung. I might start Vagabond and When the Camella Blooms soon.

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I'm still under the pressure of Real Life... however this time I at least managed to watch the first episode of Camellia and, haha, I found it so funny 😀 Kang Haneuls' character does a bit remind me of Park Seo Joon's character from Fight My Way (the last work of the same screenwriter), but I don't mind and enjoy it a lot. I also like that the reason all the men from the city go to the Camellia bar is not because the bar owner is attractive, but because it is the only neutral ground in the city (ruled by the women) 😁

Still slowly watching King's Avatar with my son. The funniest moments belong to the King of Containment 😁😁

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Well, I actually only managed to catch one episode of Hell is other people and Be melodramatic, the new premieres have to wait but what I did watch a lot was:
@yyishere's Hot Cold CEO x Errand boy girl , my fav ever romance, it is that good, don't miss it out!

#Makjangmonday, that had a really cute arc this week.

What I look forward for next month's premiere:
#Wednesday meet ups starting in October.

All are airing on fanwall! And have kept me thoroughly entertained and procrastinating.

I also read It ends with us by Colleen Hoover (review on fan wall).

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When The Devil Calls Your Name - I liked the ending. A lot. Everyone had closure. After all the jaw dropping reveals, I liked that the ending was so sweet and warm. I also liked Jung Kyung Ho a lot here, much more than Life On Mars. I can watch him and Park Sung Woong banter all day.

Flower Crew: The boys are okay, I guess. But unfortunately I'm not a fan of Gong Seung Yeon nor Go Won Hee. They both have a tendency to be too shrieky for my liking. And I also can't help feeling Kim Sejong would be better suited as the FL here and Gong Seung Yeon would be better suited as the FL in I Wanna Hear Your Song.

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Mary, plus Camellia has many (older) actors I'm happy to see 😊

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True true! :) Probably contributes in making us viewers "settle" in easily with the whole town.

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I was going to catch some of the other premiers but I just realized that I just want to rewatch Camellia right now

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I like the simplicity of When the Camellia Blooms. From the clothes and setting all the way to lighting and directing, its simplicity is what makes me look forward to more episodes. It's laid back. It feels like I'm one of the neighbors eavesdropping to what's happening in the area. As @mary said, it's like a giant family, and being part of a big family, I enjoy these things.

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I seem to have pressed play on two new dramas.

I loved When The Camellia Blooms . Dong-baek is straightforward and down-to-earth and Yong-shik is so adorably dim. I did need the second episode before I was hooked.

Also watched Running Mates because I'm such a fan of Lee Yo Won that I'd watch most things with her in it. I was surprisingly gripped. I had no idea what the Human Rights Committee did, and still am not entirely sure, but it seems like a civil court? Or a mixture of a civil court and an employment tribunal? Anyway, the set-up was interesting, I like the entire cast and the opening two episodes are about a single case - which had a much more fascinating solution that I'd guessed.

Otherwise still hooked on Melo is My Nature. I don't know why it isn't more popular, other than maybe it's about how you deal with the traumatic ending of a relationship and move on, instead of the kdrama favourite First Love and Fated Love set-up. This is so true to life and it continues to break my heart and then glue it back together again. From last week, this is now my favourite drama dialogue line - our heroine says that for her, 'expectations about the future now exceed the regrets of the past.' That sounds pretty good to me.

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Running Mates: I enjoyed the first case and, the unexpected lightness and the cast. Like you, the Human Rights Commission's fonction is still vague for me.

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Human rights C has no authority or powers to prosecute. They at best send you notices and other govt agencies pick the the majority of the work if they intends to. Acc. to show. In reality too most nations HRC have not much rights but have enough to move forward. Here In 1st 2 episodes the writer hasn't clarified where HRC stands. Writer can move away from usual and give amplitude of authority to this fictional HRC is they want to.
Melo - is niche. Even among foreign audience it hardly gets any comments. I don't think teenage audience wants to see 30+ characters daily ramblings of life.

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Melo isn't exactly niche because if you had say for example GHJ or PSH as the main lead the ratings would not be this bad and people would for certain talk about it. The plot is not as interesting as AoY or SKY Castle for a lesser known cast of non trendy actors to carry it. The problem is that the sum of its parts just don't add up and it's not the kind of plot that would ever work as a drama. This would have been better off being a movie but for a drama it's not mainstream enough, lacks 'drama' and worst of all has no trendy stars to give it some boost. The majority of jnternational audiences prefers dramas like BoF, Heirs, Healer, DOTS, HPL or HDL they were never going to be the target audience for this drama especially when it doesn't have flower boy oppa's. This drama was doomed from the start but it'll have its own very tiny but dedicated following.

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@cloggie—I am besotted with Melo is My Nature too. As others have noted previously, it's really a writer's show. They even replicate bits of dialogue over the end credits!

I'm still trying to figure out what I love about this series. It feels so real, despite the artifice of nearly perfect dialogue.

There might be something to @catocat's description of the show as "niche" with little interest to teen audiences. I just looked up Thirtysomething on Wikipedia to see how old I was when I was ignoring this show. I had just started college when it first aired! It was culturally significant enough for me to be aware of it and I dismissed it as insufferable navel gazing of a slightly older generation. (Note: This was the 80's when you still needed televisions to watch TV and I didn't own my television for many years. None of my friends watched it either.)

We've got at least two tween-ish Beanies here who love the show but they're probably outliers.

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@tsutsuloo I am smitten by this show, too. It's hard to put a finger on just one thing that makes it magic. I'm the right age, so that helps... But really clever dialogue, word play, and meta jokes are my cat nip. Combine that with 3 demential characters with real heart, and I cannot get enough. I can't wait to start my rewatch with my husband. He's seen enough kdramas that he'll get the jokes and he loves stories about community.

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Vagabond ep 1. It was fun, action packed and also sad...Hoon~~~ I'm excited to watch ep 2. I need Ki Tae Woong to appear!!!! Come out soon~ Ahaha

Devil ep 15 and 16: Sayonara show. I was apprehensive when it started while others were liking the show, somehow I stayed on the ride despite my issues it. I survived till the end, I suppose I can survive watching any drama now 🤣.

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Welcome 2 Life: Hmmm, how will Lee Jae Sang make it? I'm really enjoying the skepticism about his alternate life, odd thing to say, but it makes an otherwise bland drama slightly more interesting.

Flower Crew Joseon Marriage Agency: THROWBACK, this is like a drama for 5-10 years ago. My goodness, the rude, but intelligent male lead. The female lead who works a thousand jobs, but still upbeat (she is not as dumb as they usually make their candy's though, so thank God), The random trauma from mundane causes, the sweet kindly second lead. LOL, I will be watching to see who the missing brother is. That being said nothing in the second episode made sense. The fact that no one told her he had to leave was baffling.

The Great Show: Continues to show heart while tackling complex issues in a delicate and thoughtful manner. My only negative is the "romance" between Dae Han and Soo Hyun.

When the Camellia Blooms: I was bored. I made it 3 episodes before I turned it off.

Secret Boutique: I love a good revenge drama, so I am here for it. I also love that all the protagonist seem smart. My only issue is the lens and makeup on Kim Sun Ah, I don't know if it's to make her look younger or more mysterious, but it is awful.

When the Devil Calls your Name: I tried, I tried, but I stopped caring in 15 and just couldn't make it through 16. I hope she got her soul back.

Running Investigators: I can't find it anywhere.

Be Melodramatic: Farting, Yes, Yes, lol. This show is so very very excellent.

Vagabond: Will watch today.

Arthdal Chronicles: This is the end. I hope it is better than the middle and most of the beginning.

Hell is Other People: Half way mark, may the deaths be interesting. MU HAHAHA

Pegasus Market: Will check out.

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Running Investigators is on Viki and "alternative sites".

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Yes, Secret Boutique, I wanted to complain on her make up and I think lighting from the get go, whoever thought it was good idea doing Kim SunAh disservice.

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Be Melodramatic—Who knew that "intercepting a fart" was a thing, let alone a romantic gesture?

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LOL, not I, but now I'm going to ask my next boyfriend to do that.

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Vagabond: Pretty standard high budget action/thriller plot line. I get the writers want the audience invested in the hero's journey, but for me, the emotional manipulation was too much. English speaking scenes were unsurprisingly cringe-worthy.

When the Camellia Blooms: While I liked the first two episodes, I'm not particularly excited by the drama. I don't think a serial killer and murder mystery was needed, but I'm fine with it. The acting was fine. The characters were fine. The male lead is rather endearingly dim. Unfortunately, I don't see myself getting invested in the romance. I'm not really feeling the chemistry between Kang Ha Neul and Gong Hyo-jin.

Pegasus Market: A musical number. King. Flowers. Cart men. I went into this one blind, and while I'm not sure what I just watched, I'm here for it.

Rookie Historian: Normally, I don't care for sagueks and think 20 episodes is too many, but I've really enjoyed this drama and wouldn't even mind more episodes.

Graceful Family: I caught up through Episode 6 and the fish funeral was ridiculous but the kind of ridiculous that keeps me coming back for more.

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Vagabond: I felt they used the nephew only to make viewers sad and give the uncle a purpose. A bit too manipulative for me too.

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I mean...
Yes, he was a plot catalyst. He is literally there to make us care and give the uncle purpose, yes.
But we knew that going in. The entire premise of the show is "nephew dies in plane crash, uncle goes on revenge mission to uncover truth". Since we knew that, it's not that manipulative.

If his death wasn't sad we wouldn't care and would have no reason to believe LSG's character cared enough to fight for the whole show for him.
So we had to care about the people on the plane because they're the reason anyone does anything in this show.

I don't personally think there's anything wrong with a character's sole purpose in the show being a catalyst for the plot and the MC's actions, as long as they have agency as a character in their own right, and their character existing has the necessary consequences. E.g. Byung Hee in Shut Up Flower Boy Band.
It's a bit too early to say much about Vagabond but I think Hoon had enough agency in this single episode and I don't think they'll forget him existing any time soon (because he's our MC's entire motivation)... So I don't mind the treatment of his character and him being a catalyst, at this point in time.
That could change though if this show goes the direction my cynic is telling me it will.

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I reached the point where I get tired of characters death used as plot device and motivation for the MC, especially when they're children. The nephew will certainly be remembered during emotional scenes or the times the uncle will have to make a big decision but I just have this weird feeling. As if they were going to shift the revenge because of the airplane to something else. Well, I am just not enthusiastic about the drama.

Anyway, I will see Beanies reactions and possibly read your sh*tposts if the plot is a mess.

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And I totally understand that. If handled wrong, characters as only plot devices are the worst (which this could easily turn into)
I just figure they did exactly what they said they were gonna do this episode so I can't be mad at it for doing exactly that lol.
I will be sh🥕tposting this yes hehehe that car chase seen is begging me to break it down lol

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