Mr. Sunshine: Episode 5
by dramallama
The plot continues to take a back seat as we delve more into Eugene’s exploration of his intentions. While he outwardly claims to be an American soldier, he finds himself sympathizing with the Joseon people. His curiosity about the powerless Joseon people — some blissfully frivolous like Hee-sung and others who are fiercely loyal like Ae-shin — seems to drive some of his indecision about whose side he’s on, whether he’s either a traitor or a patriot, and how he defines his loyalties.
EPISODE 5 RECAP
Hee-sung, the son of wealthiest noble family in Joseon, arrives at noblewoman Ae-shin’s house and expresses his regret for not arriving sooner, implying that he admires Ae-shin’s beauty. He offers his fiancée his prepared flowers, but Ae-shin doesn’t take them and simply stares at him with a straight face. He wonders if it’s the flowers or him that she doesn’t like.
Meanwhile, at Hee-sung’s home, Joseon-American naval officer Eugene seeks revenge on the family that killed his parents. Pointing the gun at Hee-sung’s father, Eugene demands to know where his parents were buried, but the nobleman admits that he has no idea because all slaves were buried together.
Eugene threatens to ruin the nobleman’s family if they don’t recover his parents’ bodies and tells them to notify the U.S. embassy if they do. The nobleman and his wife are confused why they would inform the U.S. embassy, so Eugene introduces himself as an American naval officer. Then he lowers his gun and walks out of the house.
Back at Ae-shin’s house, Hee-sung apologizes for being so late. Ae-shin accuses him of arriving unannounced after ten years, and tells him to set another time to return because Grandfather is away paying his respects to their ancestors. Hee-sung asks if Ae-shin will be less angry if he returns at a better time, but Ae-shin isn’t so easily assuaged. She claims that she’s not angry; rather, she’s surprised that Hee-sung is exactly as she’d imagined: pale, soft, and weak.
Hee-sung takes Ae-shin’s insults lightly and laughs. He admits that Ae-shin was nothing like he’d imagined and says that she’s like a flower. With a sincere look, he offers her the flowers again, and Ae-shin stares back, still doubtful.
A servant timidly reports to Dong-mae about Hee-sung’s return from Japan and his visit to Ae-shin’s house. Dong-mae offers him a generous payment for this intel, and the servant thanks him profusely, promising to report more news to Dong-mae.
Ticked off by this news, Dong-mae looks more irritated than usual as he makes his evening rounds in his territory. A clueless Japanese man doesn’t actively avoid Dong-mae and his posse as they walk by, and Dong-mae lets out his anger on this innocent man by beating him to the ground.
His right-hand man, Yujo, stops Dong-mae from going any further and offers to take care of the situation. Dong-mae insists that he was angered by the underdressed Japanese man defaming the reputation of the Japanese Empire, but it sounds like Dong-mae’s convincing himself that this burst of anger had nothing to do with Ae-shin’s fiancé.
The prominent ceramist, Eun-san, offers a porcelain piece to the Japanese-siding foreign affairs minister and claims that he’s the first to receive the coveted porcelain among all those begging for pieces. The minister throws him a bar of gold as payment, and Eun-san thanks him for the recognition.
As Eun-san leaves with his apprentice, we find out that the porcelain was actually the work of the apprentice. While the apprentice trembles in fear of getting exposed, Eun-san celebrates his apprentice’s talent and suggests that they treat themselves to a meal. As they walk, Eun-san recognizes Eugene on horseback and thinks back to their mysterious interaction back at this home, where Eugene seemed to treat him with an eerie familiarity.
Eugene’s friend and superior, Kyle, is waiting for him when he returns to his office and asks if he got his revenge. Eugene looks accusingly at Gwan-soo, who admits that he revealed Eugene’s schedule to Kyle because he was so insistent. Kyle breaths a sigh of relief when Eugene implies that he didn’t kill the nobles, and Eugene admits that he’s unsure of what he’ll bestow on his enemies.
Gwan-soo mentions that Kyle wasn’t the only person asking for Eugene’s schedule, and Eugene comes face to face with the young boy he saved from the Japanese soldiers. The boy wants to repay him for his help and offers to do anything. This situation reminds Eugene of his youth, when he begged the American man to let him repay his debt. He realizes now how uncomfortable and conflicted the man must have felt, and he rejects the boy’s offer. From around the corner, Eun-san watches this interaction.
At the archery range, Ae-shin’s aunt expertly shoots her arrow at the target, and her sister-in-law compliments her all-encompassing talent. But that comment becomes back-handed when the sister-in-law says the exception to Aunt’s talent is her lack of a son to inherit Grandpa’s wealth. Sister-in-law suggests that Aunt adopt a son so that all the inheritance doesn’t default to the family’s son-in-laws, but Aunt isn’t too keen on this suggestion.
After nailing another arrow in the bull’s-eye, Aunt says that she’ll follow Grandfather’s wishes, and if they choose to adopt a son to inherit the family’s wealth, she has no intention of adopting any of Sister-in-law’s children. They wonder why Hee-sung’s mother is missing from their regular archery meeting, and Aunt assumes that she’s probably to ashamed to show her face after Hee-sung only just returned after ten years away from his fiancée.
But Hee-sung’s mother’s absence is due to the shock of being confronted by the revenge-seeking Eugene. Her husband curses the modernization of Joseon for allowing such lowly people to dare to point a gun at nobles. Realizing the full extent of Eugene’s threat on their family, Hee-sung’s mother decides to send a telegram to Hee-sung, whom she still believes is in Japan. She wants him to stay clear of Joseon until they get rid of Eugene, and she rushes out to send this urgent message.
But as we know, Hee-sung is already in Joseon and gambles at Glory Hotel in a game of Go-Stop with Ae-soon, Ae-shin’s cousin, and her gambling friends. Ae-soon confidently puts in all her money in the pot, but her impressive hand is just barely beaten — this time by Hee-sung. He happily divides the riches among all the women, though Ae-soon still looks distraught by her losses.
Ae-shin paces in her room while her maid expresses approval of Hee-sung, saying that he’s handsome and even brought flowers. But Ae-shin finds this unsatisfactory — he only brought her mere flowers.
Ae-shin practices shooting at her hideout and thinks about Hee-sung’s comment about her being like a flower. Instead of being flattered, Ae-shin considers this the reason to break of her engagement.
Eugene rides through the forest on his horse, and we see haunting contrast of his childhood self running for his life and grown Eugene riding comfortably on horseback. He visits Ignobleman’s old home, where he lived and served with his parents.
He remembers a moment with his mother, and in a flashback, we watch a conversation between them. His mother stared at a flower and told Yoo-jin that she would like to be reincarnated as a flower in a grand home that he would live in. Eugene reminisces while watching this barren house from above.
Dong-mae continues to seethe with anger in response to Ae-shin’s fiancé returning to Joseon. He “practices” martial arts with his lackeys, which is basically just him aggressively throwing them on the ground. Right-hand man Yujo stops him before he gets carried away, but his anger doesn’t look fully managed yet.
Hee-sung happily strolls through the town, greeting the local people and flirting with women. He sees a woman who looks vaguely familiar, and he suddenly realizes it’s his mother. Surprised and scared to see Hee-sung in Joseon, his mother scolds him for being out of touch, and they head to Glory Hotel to discuss matters.
Hee-sung’s mother tells him to stay away from their home and be anonymous. Cue: two ladies walking by their table and greeting Hee-sung by name. It’s clearly too late for that. She scolds him and chases him up the stairs as Hee-sung flees to his room.
Ae-shin stares at Hee-sung’s flowers in her room and grabs them to throw out. But before she can, she’s summoned outside by her servants. She goes outside to find a carriage and a messenger from Glory Hotel delivering a love letter from Hee-sung. He writes his invitation to Glory Hotel in flowery language, and Ae-shin looks offended by this supposed romantic gesture.
At Glory Hotel, Ae-shin confronts Hee-sung about this offensive gesture of inviting her to this hotel, and Hee-sung explains that this is how courtship looks like in Tokyo. Ae-shin reminds him that they’re in Joseon, and she expresses her dissatisfaction with this engagement, candidly admitting that she’s searching for reasons to break it off. Hee-sung tells her to give up on that endeavor because he likes her.
But Ae-shin is out of patience. She admits that initially, she waited. After five years, Grandfather was worried, Aunt cursed at him, and Ae-shin was disappointed. She says that although they had never met, she embraced their families’ promise as her own. She accuses him, “What can a man protect if he can’t even fulfill a promise with a woman?” With this disappointment, she decided to forget him.
Hee-sung accepts Ae-shin’s resolve and proposes a compromise. They can cancel their marriage, and he can take the blame, but he proposes that they remain as friends. Eugene walks into the hotel and watches the two curiously. Ae-shin notices him and takes this opportunity to leave by telling Hee-sung that she’s been summoned by the U.S. embassy. She approaches Eugene and tells him to lead the way, and Eugene does as told. Hee-sung notes this awkward interaction.
Eugene leads Ae-shin through the town until she gives direction to veer left. They find a quiet spot to talk, and Eugene asks about her relationship with Hee-sung. He comments on how Ae-shin is regarded as a precious entity, so the two having conversation over coffee must have meant that they’re close. He asks if they’re comrades, and Ae-shin clarifies that they’re just friends, which makes Eugene wonder if a man and a woman can be just friends.
Ae-shin notices Eugene’s name embroidered on his hat and tries to show off the English she’s learned so far. But she can’t get past “E” because she’s only learned up to “F” in the alphabet. Eugene smiles in amusement, and Ae-shin tries to impress him by sharing the very long English phrase she learned at the school: “Where are you from?” she asks in English. This question triggers flashbacks for Eugene, from his youth and up to current day. He mumbles under his breath that everyone seems to ask that question.
Eugene asks if he’s done being used, and Ae-shin apologizes for that. She tells him that she’ll consider his debt repaid from when she allowed him to ride along in the boat. But Eugene has no intention of paying back his debt just yet and asserts that this time, Ae-shin is indebted to him. With that he walks off, back to the hotel.
Dong-mae reports to the Japanese minister in Joseon about the missing document. He asks if it really exists and suggests that they wait for it to appear, since they have no leads on tracking the document. The Japanese consulate expresses his frustration about the missing document and orders Dong-mae to keep his mouth shut in front of Wan-ik, who arrives tomorrow. He also warns Dong-mae not to conspire with Wan-ik, since they’re both of Joseon descent. Dong-mae takes offense to this and claims that he’s always considered himself Japanese.
Dong-mae greets Wan-ik upon his arrival from Japan, and he avoids any questions about the Japanese minister or his slush fund by asking about Wan-ik’s trip. He acts like a sycophant and offers to report any intel about the slush fund to Wan-ik. He claims that he’s feeling loyal to Joseon today, and Wan-ik grins at Dong-mae’s quick wit. Before they board the train, Wan-ik notices a sketch of a woman posted on the bulletin and rips the sketch off the bulletin to take with him.
In the train, Wan-ik comments on how Joseon has modernized. He mentions the rumors of a hotel in Hanseong (modern-day Seoul), and Dong-mae confirms that this exists. Dong-mae asks if he would like to stay there, but Wan-ik refuses. He asks why he would just stay there for a couple days if he could own the place.
At Glory Hotel, two fencers face off in the courtyard, and the winner is none other than Glory Hotel’s owner, Hina. Her opponent asks why she’s so competitive to win, and she answers that she has a lot of enemies. Her loyal worker hands her a glass of water and tries to report something she encountered, and Hina is dismissive until the worker mentions that it’s about Eugene’s room.
The worker explains that Eugene had requested his room to be cleaned, and she noticed that it looked like it had been rummaged through. Hina notes this unwelcome news and tells her worker to keep quiet about it, for it could alarm other guests.
Eun-san sits alone by his home and pieces together the hints to confirm Eugene’s identity. Turns out, Eun-san was the person who rummaged through Eugene’s room, after determining that the U.S. consulate had a high chance of hiding the coveted document. He ordered a woman spy to determine when Eugene’s room would be empty, and the spy had reported that this U.S. consulate was a bit mysterious — he had all the documents to confirm his U.S. citizenship, but he looks like a Joseon person.
While rummaging through Eugene’s room, Eun-san had found the ornament, which reminded him of the young boy who offered this ornament as payment for helping him escape to the U.S.
Eun-san remembers his unsettling interaction with Eugene, when he came to his home and spoke to him with familiarity. It finally dawns on him that the young runaway boy is Eugene, and he laughs at this miracle of a coincidence. His celebration is interrupted by sounds of gunshots nearby, and Eun-san’s Japanese apprentice guiltily confirms that those are the sounds of the Japanese army training. Eun-san tells his apprentice to keep his head up and suggests that they cook dinner together.
As the Japanese army trains, the bald Japanese solider (who Eugene saved the young boy and his sister from) remembers that Eugene belonged to the U.S. forces. He impulsively decides to seek revenge and orders his men to follow him to the embassy.
When the Japanese army marches into the embassy, we see the young boy indebted to Eugene hiding nearby and immediately running to Eugene’s office to report this urgent news. He cries as he tells Eugene that this is all his fault — that Eugene had to intervene because he was too weak and now the Japanese are going to hurt Eugene. Eugene consoles him by saying that he intervened not because the boy was weak but because Joseon is weak. He says that the U.S. is strong and will protect him, unlike Joseon.
But the boy continues to cry out of fear that the large Japanese army will beat and punish Eugene. The mournful cries of the young boy amuse Eugene, who doesn’t seem to worry about the Japanese beating them. Then he wonders how the young boy got here so fast, and through his crying, the boy explains that he scaled the wall.
Eugene walks down the stairs to join his forces standing face-to-face with the Japanese army. Baldy tells his interpreter to translate his demand to capture the American soldier who inflicted harm on a Japanese soldier. The message gets delivered in an amusingly roundabout chain: Baldy’s translator relays the message in Korean, then Gwan-soo translates it to English. Eugene replies in English that he also has a wound — on his heart — and Gwan-soo struggles to relay a diplomatic translation, which ends up being a simple apology.
Baldy doesn’t take the apology well and demands that they cooperate with the investigation. After going through two rounds of translations, Kyle gets the message and happily agrees to be seized to meet their demands. He laughs in fascination about the happenings in Joseon, and Baldy angrily yells at his interpreter to explain why Kyle is laughing.
The Japanese interpreter asks Gwan-soo why Kyle is laughing, and Gwan-soo tells him that it’s obvious that Kyle is sneering at the Japanese demands to capture him for an investigation. The Japanese interpreter gets angry at Gwan-soo, asking how he could possibly translate this to Baldy, and Gwan-soo snaps that it’s none of his business how he translates the message. They begin to bicker aggressively until Baldy has had enough and orders a stand-off.
The Japanese point their guns at the American soldiers, who respond in kind. Eugene takes it from there without the interpreters and calls the two Japanese soldiers, Baldy and his friend, by name. Eugene explains in Japanese that the U.S. holds extensive information beyond their expectations. He tells the two reckless Japanese soldiers that whether they intended or not, they’ve just declared war against the U.S. One bullet will determine the fate of this declaration, and Eugene threatens to make the first shot.
Realizing the dire consequences of their actions, the Japanese soldiers retreat. Kyle commends Eugene’s victory, and Eugene repeats what President Roosevelt told them before being deployed to Joseon: “Speak softly and carry a big stick.” With that resolved, Kyle reminds Eugene that they should focus on identifying the gun thief, which Eugene had been avoiding.
Gwan-soo and the other interpreter reconcile with each other over jjajangmyun, and they credit themselves for deescalating the situation to prevent war. The Japanese interpreter offers to give him the list of gunmen if Gwan-soo buys him mandoo, so of course, diligent Gwan-soo obliges.
In his office, Eugene thinks about Ae-shin’s greeting to Eun-san and her mention of a Gunner Jang. Gwan-soo interrupts his thoughts with a list of new leads, which he received from his interpreter friend. He presumes that the gun thief is likely a person who is familiar with guns, so he gives Eugene a list of gunners. Eugene expresses his bewilderment of Gwan-soo’s diligence and asks if Gunner Jang is on the list. Gwan-soo confirms this and seems proud that they were on the same page in this investigation.
Gunner Jang, or Seung-gu as we know him, visits a friend’s metal shop to seek his expertise on weaponry. He reveals the American gun and asks his friend to deconstruct it to analyze its parts. He also asks his friend to put it back together, since he intends on returning it.
Ae-shin’s maid tells Ae-shin about the American soldiers beating up the Japanese soldiers to save the Joseon children, and that the Joseon people are celebrating the American efforts to help Joseon. Ae-shin (notably in her shooting practice outfit, meaning her maid knows some part of her secret) asserts that no country is in Joseon to help, even the U.S. Her maid wonders why the American soldiers helped, and Ae-shin quotes Eugene in her response: Because he can.
As Ae-shin makes her way down the mountain, she finds Eugene waiting for her right at the entrance of her hideout. She’s not surprised by his presence but demands to know what he’s doing there. Eugene informs her that he’s starting to identify all people affiliated with guns as a part of his investigation, and Ae-shin points her gun at him, threatened by this potential investigation. She asks if he’s here to investigate her or Seung-gu, but Eugene claims that isn’t his intention. If it were, then he would have brought an army of American soldiers with him, he says.
He explains that first it was curiosity, then observation, and finally now he’s addressing it. When he first arrived in Joseon, he vowed not to do anything, because anything he did would only help to ruin Joseon. Ae-shin says that he’s already contributed to Joseon’s ruin, but he warns that he’s only done that. He should have initially captured her when he could, but his curiosity stopped him. He’s not sure if it’s because Joseon has changed or if Ae-shin is unusual, but he ultimately decided to turn a blind eye.
Now addressing the consequences of his inaction, Eugene tells Ae-shin to stay in her noblewoman persona for the time being because American soldiers are sure to visit next. Ae-shin lowers her gun and asks why he saved the Joseon children, and Eugene answers that he thought he could win. Ae-shin doesn’t believe him entirely and calls him out for flinching when she pointed her gun at him just now. He explains that then, he thought he would lose.
As Eugene starts to leave, Ae-shin asks which direction he’s headed. She says that she’ll also head that way, which is the same line Eugene used when he first suspected Ae-shin’s secret identity. So they walk side by side through the woods, with Ae-shin’s servants keeping a close eye on them from behind.
Eugene asks Ae-shin why she’s trying to save Joseon, and she stops and passionately responds, “Although Joseon is rough shape right now, it has endured 500 years of history through many wars. In every way, people risked their lives to protect this nation. That Joseon is peacefully being ripped apart, first by China, then Russia, and now Japan and even the U.S. Wouldn’t someone need to fight this struggling nation?”
Eugene asks why it needs to be Ae-shin fighting for Joseon, and she asks why not. Eugene pauses, with his eyes welling with emotion, and Ae-shin tells him that he need not worry. He claims that he’s not worried about her; rather, he’s worried about himself. To break the tension, Ae-shin comments on how the low-flying birds are indicating that a storm is upon them.
Sure enough, it’s raining by the evening, and Eugene looks pensive as he looks out the window of his office. He sees Gwan-soo escort two people into the embassy in the rain, and he recognizes one man as Ignobleman’s servant who beat him the day his parents died.
Also brooding is Hee-sung, who sits in his hotel room with a cigarette in hand. He thinks about his mother’s pleas to stay away from home and the scar on her neck. Both the scar and her warning to stay hidden in the hotel seem to be a mystery to him.
Dong-mae enters a book/calligraphy store and notices a carriage pull up to the shop. Ae-shin exits the carriage and makes her way into the store. She doesn’t look happy to see Dong-mae, who spits out his candy and offers to leave. She doesn’t find that necessary, since they’re both customers at the store, and she agrees to wait her turn.
Ae-shin’s maid follows her into the store and backpedals in fear when she sees Dong-mae. She knocks over items on a shelf, and Ae-shin tells her maid to find the owner while she cleans up the mess. The maid readily runs off to track down the owner, leaving Dong-mae and Ae-shin alone together.
Dong-mae carelessly kicks the brushes into a pile, but Ae-shin crouches down to pick up the items. He joins her and notices the seam of her dress brush his hand. He fixates on her dress, and Ae-shin looks startled when she sees him staring at her dress. She immediately stands up in defense, but Dong-mae grabs the end of her skirt.
Ae-shin demands to know what he’s doing, and Dong-mae looks up and says that he’s not doing anything. He continues to hold onto the end of her dress, and Ae-shin glares at him with fear.
COMMENTS
That’s an interesting manifestation of Dong-mae’s jealousy, and I’m more aligned with Ae-shin’s startled reaction than anything. So far, we’ve seen Dong-mae’s tentative nature in their interactions, which have indicated that he’s more careful and almost more human around her. After seeing Dong-mae’s aggressive reaction to the news of Ae-shin’s fiancé in this episode, it’s very clear that he’s protective of his crush and also in full denial that he has a crush on Ae-shin at all. But in general, we haven’t been privy to the extent of Dong-mae’s feelings for Ae-shin, so that dress grab at the end feels abrupt and honestly a bit frightening. Maybe there’s more to deconstruct there, but I’m mainly sensing Dong-mae’s jealousy and inability to properly express his feelings.
Hee-sung is such a charmer, but we know there’s more to him behind his frivolous persona. Coming from the wealthiest family in Joseon, he’s naturally revered but also antagonized, and I wonder if he intentionally carries his façade to neutralize the threat some may feel around him. His brooding scene hinted that he’s more perceptive than we think, and I’m interested to see how much guilt and responsibility he feels for his family’s immoral deeds.
Regarding Eugene’s internal conflict about where his loyalties lie, I think it’s become obvious that he cares about the Joseon people. He’ll fall back on his U.S. affiliation when he needs their power, but he deeply empathizes with the weak Joseon people who are experiencing the brunt of Joseon’s demise. He understands the consequences of being poor and powerless, so he uses his power to help because he can. But he’s always at an arm’s distance from the Joseon people, and I think his distance makes him even more curious about Ae-shin’s conviction to save Joseon, especially since she’s a noble who doesn’t suffer much from this turbulence. Ae-shin’s passion and pride in fighting for Joseon in contrast to Eugene’s lukewarm loyalties makes her my favorite character by far.
It’s neat to discover these characters layer by layer with each episode, but it’s at the expense of the plot, which is still only inching forward. The drawn-out cinematography is so beautiful and pleasing to the eye, but I need this story to get a move on. I think there’s an obligatory mention of that mysterious document every episode just to remind us that this plot still exists, but otherwise, we haven’t gotten much progress on this plot device. Whatever ensues from the discovery of this document better be good, but no pressure. This document better be worth the wait, but no pressure. No pressure at all.
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1 kaizen68
July 23, 2018 at 5:08 AM
Everytime I watch, I always think we don't deserve to watch Mr. Sunshine through a small screen. The cinematography is a blockbuster movie level. I like the characters too... I like Byun Yo Han is so funny and charming. Kim Tae Ri is so badass and awesome. Lee Byung Hun's acting cannot be questioned and I personally don't care about his personal life. I only watch a drama for its story btw.
But overall, my heart is with the samurai man, Yoo Yeon Suk. He basically did everything only with his gaze and he just simply: irresistible.
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LoveSojiSub51
July 23, 2018 at 1:51 PM
Dong Mae is the main reason I'm watching! Man, oh man...he just...everything. I forgot what I had to say, but yes to Yoo Yeon Suk.
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ren
July 23, 2018 at 3:09 PM
Lee Byung Hun was the first kdrama lead I swooned over way back in Beautiful Days. I guess those childhood crushes really leave a mark on you because as everyone is suffering from Second Lead Syndrome, I'm like but it's Lee Byung Hun...have you seen the man smile?!
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kayedrama
July 23, 2018 at 7:23 PM
This is the only drama have watched LBH and I must admit the man has such charisma. I dunno why others are saying they can't relate to him but I totally get teary on his childhood flashbacks and internal conflicts 😭😭😭
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TJ
July 24, 2018 at 3:41 AM
I'm watching on Netflix so it's on a pretty big screen. I watch most of my other dramas on the phone or a laptop.
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2 YY Chats with Toast Between Bites
July 23, 2018 at 5:15 AM
Ae Shin and the Three Men in her Life
Ae Shin and Hee Sung’s relationship is the lightest, and the least threatening in the drama. They are engaged, but she looks at him with exasperation in her eyes, and frustration. She thinks of him as a spineless, weedy character, light and inconsequential, incapable of thinking deep thoughts, content with whiling his life away in frivolous and trivial pursuits. She is annoyed when he likens her to a flower, and offended that, in his eyes, she is a pretty creature, pretty to look at, but serving no useful purpose in life, save as the wife of a rich man, pampered and nothing more than an ornament. Ae Shin resents his opinion of her, and the role he expects her to play.
Ae Shin and Eugene have the most romantic relationship. Their side glances, the little flirtations, the words they say to each other (“I’m worried about myself”) are just so romantic, and their scenes together are set against romantic backdrops as well, the beautiful park, the shimmering lake, even the broken wall with the wind blowing...everything screams romance. That she sees a kindred spirit in him, her comrade in arms, a man who sees her for who she is, who accepts her for who she is, who is attracted to her – the real her, not a pretty genteel creature – makes her happy, and she seems to be attracted to him as well.
But I have to say the most exciting relationship for me is the Ae Shin-Dong Mae pairing. The sexual tension between these two is unparalleled. That last scene has to be The. Most. Sensual. Scene I have seen yet in a Korean Drama. Dong Mae does things that defy social conventions; he did it as a child, when he took that bit of her skirt, and wiped his bloodied lip so deliberately, so offensively, keeping his eyes on her all the time. Her swift intake of breath, her shock, the recoil, showed how much his action affected her then. He did it again in that last scene, tucking his hand under the sheen of her skirt, letting the soft, silky fabric glide so smoothly, so sensuously across his fingers...what a heck of a sensual scene, it made me breathless. She gasped in shock, like she did as a child, but is she affected by him as well?
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greenfields
July 23, 2018 at 5:45 AM
Re: Ae Shin-Dong Mae, I think that conversation with him as a child affected her more than she thinks. It may be that she is the fighter - literally with the guns and all - because of his words back then about her being a fool living in nobility. Clearly, she wants to be anything but that.
I'm starting to like Eugene more and more, and Ae Shin-Eugene more and more as well, but I agree - the exciting relationship is Ae Shin-Dong Mae.
On that last scene, I thought the music was overdone but really heightened the sense of danger that she was in. What was Dong Mae thinking? I felt as though - with the thought that her fiancee has returned - Dong Mae was ready to well, 'take' her by force, then and there. Whether 'take' be an abduction, or something even worse, I cannot say.
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Ghost of Tim (eccentric observations from a male perspective)
July 23, 2018 at 6:21 AM
Yes, the OST music they played during that last scene did sound ominous (and even frightening).
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kayedrama
July 23, 2018 at 6:34 PM
I thought I was the only one who noticed. Bec it was such menacing sound that I fast-forwarded lol. I can't take having YYS on such a villain-ish set-up
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Soybean
July 23, 2018 at 6:29 PM
At the time, noble women always had servants around who interacted with commoners for them, which makes this scene very scandalous. For a man who isn't her husband to touch her skirt (and to go so far and grab it) makes it more dramatic.
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ramonathepest
July 23, 2018 at 6:10 AM
Yes, the passing of the hem of her skirt over his hand - very riske for the time. I watched a movie called Unbowed set in 1870s where a native American man purposely pushed the toe of his mocassin just under the edge of an African American womans full length skirt and at her gasp (and his look of defiance) , I was like "what's the big deal?" But as the movie progressed, it became obvious that this was both a part of his flirtation with her AND one of the small ways he could rebel against being held captive.
So, I don't think that I would have recognized the sensuality of Dong mae's hand brushing UNDER that hem if I hadn't watched the other movie. Dong mae actually provides the tension that I feel I'm missing between Eugene and Ae shin and actually Dong mae is the only source of intrigue and excitement that I get while watching the entire show.
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WishfulToki
July 23, 2018 at 6:40 AM
It reminded me of a scene from "Return to Cranford", where the girl gets flour or something on her skirt and Tom Hiddleston's character asks with his eyes for permission to wipe it off. *cough, fans self* Period drama risque.
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YY Chats with Toast Between Bites
July 23, 2018 at 6:43 AM
*swoons* omg, really? I would dump an entire sack of flour on myself if Tom Hiddleston's eyes ask me for permission. 😁
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Sunflowerdiva
July 23, 2018 at 7:36 AM
Ditto. Same here!
Linda Palapala
July 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM
Funny you should mention Return to Cranford...awhile ago I looked everywhere for that scene.
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WishfulToki
July 23, 2018 at 3:02 PM
2nd episode, somewhere towards the middle.
Linda Palapala
July 23, 2018 at 3:21 PM
This must have been around the time of Loki.
Also, Wallender, Henry IV and V, eeks, I haven't watched Night Manager yet. I don't know if Return to Cranford is available anywhere.
YY Chats with Toast Between Bites
July 23, 2018 at 6:40 AM
Exactly. The other two men are so proper and correct in their courtship (can't think of another word) of her; they keep their distance, and never so much as touch her or encroach upon her personal space; Eugene maintains a respectable distance from her and only conveys his feelings for her with his eyes, his smiles and his words. That's why I find the audacity of Dong Mae so shocking, considering the time they were in, and the social conventions. I just wonder, does she feel something for him? Because she always seems to be so affected by him and so flustered.
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Zora
July 23, 2018 at 11:33 AM
I thought I was the only one who thought of that tension between Ae Sin and Dong Mae!
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persianrose❤️战哥
July 23, 2018 at 1:06 PM
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persianrose❤️战哥
July 23, 2018 at 2:44 PM
I think I'm the only one who sees grabbing someone skirt, as a symbol of 'begging for their attention' rather than sexual tension... I don’t see so much sensuality in that scene... He looked like a pitiful child grabbing her Mom's skirt, begging her to stay or do not abandon him (or at least look at him differently) ... IMO what made Eugene different from Dong-Mae is the way their mothers sacrificed themselves, leaving their sons behind, they both had a same goal (to save their children life at the very least) but they did it in such different way that altered the future of their sons significantly...
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LoveSojiSub51
July 23, 2018 at 1:53 PM
I am honestly elated that this is the first time where I have actually seen a worth love triangle. Because she really does have chemistry with Eugene and Dong Mae. Hee Sung is Steve Urkel to me. You tolerate him to finish the scene. Also, loved your descriptions!
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Dr.Elizabeth
July 28, 2018 at 2:09 AM
I couldn't agree more. Dong Mae owns the screen every time he comes on! And what a chemistry between him and Ae Shin. Whew!
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Dizzylizzy
August 24, 2018 at 8:55 PM
I enjoyed your analysis, thank you!
I saw these characters also as representations of different aspects of Joseon society at that time:
HS, and by extension his dad and grandad: a Joseon corrupted by the privileged class exploiting the poor; individuals who think nothing about flaunting their wealth and frittering it away through a life of drinking and gambling.
DM & EC: the 'rejects' but who have survived and come to acquire power from taking on the identity of their adopted countries; what are their feelings about Joseon?
AE: the idealised Joseon - all that is beautiful and pure and noble and good. That is why in her eyes, HS is nothing but a "fair skinned and fragile weakling"; DM is a "traitor" and EC an oddity whose intentions she can't quite make out.
Each of these men's love story with Ae Shin is also their love story with Joseon. "Who is this Joseon that you are trying to save for?"
But yes, that scene with DM feeling the soft sheen of AS's skirt over his fingers - can people like him ever be part of the new Joseon? Or can he only ever be at the fringes, and if he wanted something more, to be regarded as equal and with dignity, can he only get it either by force (holding onto her skirt and not letting go) or by selling his services to whoever would pay him? (today I'm American; today I am Japanese; today I'm Korean)
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3 Rmde
July 23, 2018 at 5:17 AM
This show makes me sleep..so boring
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Wag-a-muffin
July 23, 2018 at 5:47 AM
Don't watch it then. I'm obviously either watching a different drama than you--or my life experience is kicking in, because I like it--a lot.
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ramonathepest
July 23, 2018 at 6:15 AM
While I'm loving the show, I defend @rmde's right to express how he/she feels about it. Dramabeans comments section has always been open for positive and negative comments. Telling someone "don't watch it then" is equivalent to telling them "don't comment if you have nothing good to say". You could've just as easily ignored the short comment.
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frabbycrabsis loves KBS Drama Specials
July 23, 2018 at 7:24 AM
They've made no attempt to express why or how the show is making them fall asleep, so why should we have to tolerate attacks on dramas we like when they establish no basis for their comments?
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Rmde
July 24, 2018 at 12:52 AM
No one is attacking here! LOL.
I simply wrote what I felt...I think I can watch a show and not like it...I don't have to blindly love a drama to be eligible to comment here and I surely never read any rules where I have to explain everything in detail...that's a recapper's job
Wag-a-muffin
July 23, 2018 at 7:40 AM
I thought I was fairly polite. There are many dramas I was initially excited about that I found to be boring, or sleep inducing. And so--I stopped watching. It wasn't meant as a "your're wrong! Your opinion doesn't matter," but more of a "life's too short to expose yourself to stuff you find boring" suggestion. I certainly didn't mean to be rude. But thank you for not ignoring my comment.
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Ally
July 23, 2018 at 9:42 AM
I totally ignored your comment. 😝 Lol! ❤️ You!
Linda Palapala
August 22, 2018 at 12:29 PM
Exactly! I already have about 20 dramas/movies on my watchlist and simply have no time for something I find to be boring, for whatever reason. We all have our favorite genres, actors, etc.
Having said that, although I find Mr Sunshine to be eye rolling cheesy at times (and of course I blame the writing)
I still watch it because I'm still curious as to what's going to happen with all the players, both main and secondary. I don't usually find the secondary characters very interesting but in this case I think they're more interesting and better written than the main characters. How will the writer resolve the destinies of all the Righteous Army involved. I could care less about the love story, so one of the things that bore me is that so much time is spent in longing gazes.
Rmde
July 24, 2018 at 12:46 AM
Wow! Didn't know a simple comment would make you reply like that!
I think it's pretty clear why I find it boring...because it's uber slow with scenes looking like they have been paused. FYI, I have stopped watching it after this episode...so yeah..
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Linda Palapala
July 23, 2018 at 10:02 AM
I feel (felt) the same way you do. This drama seems to be going nowhere...but then I only watched the first 10 minutes of episode 5 before giving up. I was waiting for Dramallama's recap and comments to see if it got better, and apparently it has so now I'm watching the rest of the episode. And reading the comments.
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4 WishfulToki
July 23, 2018 at 5:37 AM
“Where are you from?” is a powerful bit of writing for me. It's an innocent question intended to make small talk, I know. But for me (and for Eugene) after hearing the question so many times wherever you are, it starts to feel like people are always pointing out that you are different: "Where are you from? Why do you look the way you do? Why do you have an accent?" You come to resent the question because you don't have a short and simple answer. I learned to give different answers depending on where I am, because people expect to hear certain answers to fit their stereotypes. And because I have no wish, like Eugene, to tell everyone my life's story. Identity crisis rant over
Also, nice touch to see marines going what they should be doing in Joseon: guarding the US embassy. Cue "The War of the Interpreters" LOL.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
July 23, 2018 at 6:26 AM
True. Major identify crisis! its gotten worse in Joseon. I can totally relate to it. ; ))
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Sunflowerdiva
July 23, 2018 at 7:39 AM
I relate to the "where are you from" question so much and admit I also change my answer depending on where I am and who I'm talking to.
The war of the interpreters was hilarious. I love how everyone was like, Why are THEY fighting?! This show knows how to sneak the comedy in!
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persianrose❤️战哥
July 23, 2018 at 1:17 PM
Yes to this! Whenever someone asks me "Where are you from?", regardless of how confident I am about my origins and roots, I still feel a bit uncomfortable!!
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Linda Palapala
July 23, 2018 at 3:39 PM
Although after watching the bit of "where are you from" and reading your comment, I have a deeper understanding of the question and how you feel. However, from a bit of a different pov, I grew up in a rural part of the southern U.S. where you never needed to ask that question because everybody was from the same place. When I moved to southern California in my early 20s, suddenly I met people from all over the world. "Where are you from?" has a totally different meaning for me because it was so fascinating to hear people's stories of how they came to Los Angeles. Being in a rich multi cultural environment is so interesting and I'm always curious about different cultures, countries and language. Now I'll be afraid to ask.
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Peridot
July 23, 2018 at 3:49 PM
One of my sisters, who spent her earlier years in the Bronx, was once asked by someone, "What language do they speak in the Bronx." True story! :)
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Linda Palapala
July 23, 2018 at 4:02 PM
If you'd hear my mom you'd ask the same question. She speaks Southern country and she said she has a hard time watching tv now because she can't understand what they say (and it isn't a hearing problem, it's an accent problem).
The first time my Hawaiian husband talked to my dad on the phone and asked my dad how he was, he looked confused and asked me "what's fair to middlin?"
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Peridot
July 23, 2018 at 4:06 PM
LOL
A former co-worker of mine is originally from the South. According to her late mother, we New Yorkers are not real Americans. LOL
I really wish we could preserve all our regionalisms, but they seem to be dying. The U.S. has such a rich history when it comes to dialects and colloquialisms.
Thanks for sharing this story. "Fair to middlin"--I love it!
Linda Palapala
July 23, 2018 at 4:10 PM
@peridot. LOL too! My mom would call them "Yankees". My sister's in-laws "are okay for Yankees".
Linda Palapala
July 23, 2018 at 4:14 PM
@peridot: Segueing...this reminded me the other day I watched a Hawaiian speaking pidgin, with proper English subtitles. Hilarious! And I was happy I could totally understand the pidgin.
bbstl 🧹
July 23, 2018 at 7:00 PM
@peridot,@linda-palapala, I still recall my shock at learning in the 1980s on visiting Atlanta that we Northerners were still referred to as "Yankees" by Southerners. I assumed that had just disappeared into history 100 years before (wow) and the term was simply reserved for New Englanders. That was a learning trip 😉
WishfulToki
July 23, 2018 at 3:57 PM
I had that conversation with an American friend. I understand that people just ask out of curiosity, and it's a good conversation topic - if the person wants to talk. I get uncomfortable if it's one of the first questions that total strangers ask. But maybe people in LA are more open-minded than elsewhere in the US. I've been asked this in another part of the country: "Where are you from?" (I give an answer). "No, I mean where are you from?"
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Linda Palapala
July 23, 2018 at 4:05 PM
I found that people willingly talked about why they cam to the U.S: an Iranian friend had to escape persecution; a Cuban friend escaped Castro's regime; one friend came from Madagascar, thru Paris, to Quebec and then to the U.S. Do you not find that fascinating and gives you more insight and empathy for that person's life?
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WishfulToki
July 23, 2018 at 4:04 PM
@linda-palapala I meant to add, don't be afraid to ask! People with complicated identities (hehe) appreciate genuine interest, especially when you offer to share your own experience and have a real conversation comparing and learning about different cultures.
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Linda Palapala
July 23, 2018 at 4:07 PM
I replied before I read your latest reply...
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kingsqueen
July 23, 2018 at 4:59 PM
I would imagine a lot of it is in the *way* the question is asked. Some ask out of genuine curiosity because they want to hear someone's story and relate to them. Others ask in the way that was mentioned - that it's obvious that the person is *different* and the asker isn't really interested in their story, only the fact that they "don't belong".
I would imagine that it gets tiresome for those that sound or look different from other locals, and not knowing the intentions of the asker may make someone apprehensive to answer. I'm sure they've been burned more than a few times by the question.
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bbstl 🧹
July 23, 2018 at 6:44 PM
Yes, I also think there must be a vast difference in hearing "may I ask where you are from?" as opposed to a more demanding "where are you from?", sometimes said with a suspicious sneer. It's the difference between showing interest and making the point that someone is an outsider.
I've also seen Americans ask "where are you from?" in order to talk (or brag) about where the questioner has traveled. An Asian woman on the train beside me was asked, "what part of China are you from?" And when her answer was "the Chicago part", it was very disappointing to the man asking because he wanted to talk about his own travels in China. Of course he followed it up with the traditional, "but no, where are you from from?"
Ugh, people 🙄! Clue, have one.
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Linda Palapala
July 23, 2018 at 7:15 PM
I was gonna say that - you beat me to it!
Carolina
July 23, 2018 at 4:21 PM
Since I work with International students, I've learned that you need read the room and know your audience.
I once asked a student, knowing his ethnicity beforehand. "Oh, I see your from Zimbabwe, I have always wanted to go to Victoria Falls." He looked really happy and had no problems telling me stories about his country. If I had just asked him where he was from, it would have been awkward.
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luzitania
July 24, 2018 at 2:37 AM
Oh man, the struggle is so real! People asking me where I am from don't realize that to accurately answer that question, I have to unload my entire life history on them.
So like you, I change my answers just for shits and giggles.
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Linda Palapala
July 27, 2018 at 1:25 PM
@wishfultoki @sunflowerdiva @persianrose @bbstl @kingsqueen Here's a video re "where r u from" you might enjoy.
https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/k-town/8467327/bigbang-seungri-winner-mino-where-r-u-from-trump-caricature
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bbstl 🧹
July 27, 2018 at 3:01 PM
Oh, flipping fabulous! (this makes it look like Hee Sung won all the wars, doesn't it? 😂)
Although I for one am ready for a world run by GD and Seungri, stat.
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Dizzylizzy
August 24, 2018 at 9:08 PM
Thanks for that - it was hilarious!
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5 Blue (@mayhemf)
July 23, 2018 at 6:19 AM
I was watching this only for the cinematography, until Hee-Sung arrived!!
And am also guilty of having watched Ep 6, so right now, am fully on board. Of all the characters, I find him the most intriguing.
I think they spent enough time in character introduction and we are all ready to move forward at this point.
So many questions - What is the king thinking - what does he want for Joseon? Where are the rest of the Righteous army - what is their plan for the country?
I hope to see Ae-Shin's growth as well - she is smart and has convictions - but those are based on little facts from the protected life she has lived.
Whereas, Hee-Sung has travelled and seen 2 sides of this story. Whether he will take a side or continue to live in escapism is to be seen.
And Eugene - he needs to find closure. After all these years, I think its important to get a closure and move on. And he seems to be going in the right direction. Right now, he is the only one with power amongst all of them.
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bbstl 🧹
July 23, 2018 at 12:20 PM
Yes, I want to know a lot more about the Righteous Armies and their like, I wonder if we'll even get to that or the drama will concentrate on stories very central to these characters. It's starting to feel like history learned incidentally through these people's lives, rather than a historical drama.
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ladyjaye
July 23, 2018 at 3:20 PM
But I don't think I ever got the impression it'd be a historical drama. From the synopsis, I always assumed it'd be exactly what you said - "history learned incidentally through these people's eyes." Well learn about the Righteous Army *because* Eugene becomes a part of it. We'll learn about life in occupied Korea *because* Dong-mae and Ae-sin are living through it. It's a drama about the people in the event, not the event itself. At least, that was how I understood it.
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kingsqueen
July 23, 2018 at 5:00 PM
I've learned lots of history this way and I can tell you it's much more interesting this way! :)
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ramonathepest
July 25, 2018 at 7:57 PM
And THAT'S why I point out inaccuracies when I see them. (In answer to a few peoples' objections to my doing so.) There was a time you could trust novels, even fiction novels, and movies to a certain extent, because authors were expected to do research and fact check before publication and people who had no access to higher education could do quite well just from becoming well read. No matter what the characters embued, the actual events, the technology (or lack thereof), methods of doing things should be true to the time.
Linda Palapala
July 23, 2018 at 3:40 PM
"It's starting to feel like history learned incidentally through these people's lives, rather than a historical drama."
Ooh, yeah, well said!
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ramonathepest
July 25, 2018 at 7:58 PM
Learning incidentally is the most fun!
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6 lemoncello
July 23, 2018 at 6:30 AM
The last scene though... so so beautiful shot! And the pain in Dong-mae's eyes are hard to explain: it's between love, pain, and what's more?
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Blue (@mayhemf)
July 23, 2018 at 7:39 AM
I think it’s conflict arising from loving someone from a class he has so much contempt for.
And his expressions when she said she gave the look not because he was a butcher but a traitor was top notch. I think these 2 influenced each other at that age, but don’t know how to address each other in real life when they meet after so many years.
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ren
July 23, 2018 at 3:18 PM
I feel like there's more to their story that just hasn't been told yet. There's a familiarity between how they act as adults that goes beyond the snippet of the carriage scene we've seen so far.
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kayedrama
July 23, 2018 at 7:38 PM
Totally agree! I'm excited to see more of Ae-shin and Dong-mae's back story bec they wouldn't react to each other that intensely lest they have deeper connection
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YY Chats with Toast Between Bites
July 23, 2018 at 7:43 PM
Okay, here's what I think; he was her First Love *cue: Winter Sonato theme song plays mournfully*
lemoncello
July 23, 2018 at 7:59 PM
Yep, and also in the earlier episode Dong-mae was in a range when he heard the two Japanese soldiers were talking bad about Joseon women (Re: Ae-shin) during her outing in the French bakery.
We've been only shown the short palanquin scene. I think there's more additional to that when Dong-mae held tightly Ae-shin's hanbok.
Was the scene in front of French bakery was the first time Dong-mae met with Ae-shin after so many years? We don't know that yet.
Meheartisamusicbox
July 24, 2018 at 12:33 AM
@yyishere, gah! How can I miss that point! Exactly first love material...
YY Chats with Toast Between Bites
July 23, 2018 at 7:46 PM
We might as well throw in all the troupes here: revenge, unrequited love, first love, amnesia....Eugene loses his memory and thinks he's a Samurai warrior. 😁
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YY Chats with Toast Between Bites
July 23, 2018 at 9:20 AM
Love and loathing, I would say, kind of like, I love you, but I hate you, too, because you are in your ivory tower, and never known pain, and I hate myself for loving you because you are so wrong for me, but I can't help myself everytime I see you, my heart just hurts with my longing for you.
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bbstl 🧹
July 23, 2018 at 12:24 PM
Bingo. Plus, (I think) there's no way I can possibly have you and nothing can change that.
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YY Chats with Toast Between Bites
July 23, 2018 at 7:40 PM
But there's so much tension between them, maybe they'll have a bed scene *gasps* before her bed scene with Eugene (the night before Samurai guy goes to war, and she'd probably never see him again, so a bed scene is inevitable, emanicipated as they are). 😊😊😊😊
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bbstl 🧹
July 24, 2018 at 6:59 AM
Two answers to that:
1) *sternly* YY. Are you thinking this is a show made by Americans?
2) of COURSE, and then she won't know who the baby's father is when she ends up married to HS! 😱
Dizzylizzy
August 24, 2018 at 9:10 PM
exactly! you said what I wanted to say but didn't know how to.
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7 Ghost of Tim (eccentric observations from a male perspective)
July 23, 2018 at 6:33 AM
For me, this episode was all about character development. Alot of us were waiting for this, right? We learned alot of interesting things about each of the leads....and about the supporting characters too. My two favorite scenes in this episode were:
1. The scene of revelation when Hwang Eun-san realized that Eugene was the slave boy he had saved long ago. Superb acting by Kim Kap-soo.
2. The confrontation between the Japanese soldiers and the Americans at the legation. The actors playing sergeants Yamada and Tsuda (Baldy) are really excellent in their roles as villains.
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CS
July 23, 2018 at 8:43 AM
Who are the actors playing Yamada and Tsunda? I feel like I've seen Baldy some where before...
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greenfields
July 23, 2018 at 9:09 AM
I'm pretty sure he starrs as the Yankee in over a hundred Japanese manga and anime. ^^
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Ghost of Tim (eccentric observations from a male perspective)
July 23, 2018 at 9:12 AM
I've spent a lot of time googling and thus far I haven't been able to identify these two actors.
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fan
July 23, 2018 at 11:16 AM
This is what I found - The actor who played a nasty Japanese officer Tsunda and received compliments as scene stealer is the actor Lee Jung-hyun. He graduated from Yong-in Univ. majoring in Judo. He even did Commercial (as Delivery man). He appeared in many movies and played mostly a gangster or North Korean, leaving strong impression on viewers.
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risa
July 23, 2018 at 9:28 PM
Thanks, fan! He was indeed a scene stealer. The way he was moving his tongue around, like he was anticipating the taste of his prey, was so creepy!
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8 ladyjaye
July 23, 2018 at 6:34 AM
I for one, am not in a hurry to get to the rest of the plot because it is characters that interest me. And the acting is so superb that I am content to linger with each character as we discover the stories and emotions that anchor them in these times. So far, there has been a good balance of pensiveness, humor and intrigue and absolutely gorgeous cinematography (seriously, they should win some awards). So I'm all in and content to meander away from the overarching plot awhile.
(Also, truly, Lee Byung-heon's acting is unquestionable. Kthxbai)
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Ghost of Tim (eccentric observations from a male perspective)
July 23, 2018 at 6:43 AM
Hear, hear. Well said.
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kingsqueen
July 23, 2018 at 5:01 PM
I agree - I'm not in any hurry to move along the plot because the characters are much more interesting.
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9 Ally
July 23, 2018 at 6:34 AM
I could write an essay about this and the next episode, so I’ll just put it on the next one. However, I did want to say that every frame is perfect to me. Every scene in is composed brilliantly from an artistic point of view. The colors are so warm which gives such a nice nostalgic feel. I’ll be spamming my fanwall with my favorite scenes. Oh, how I wish “Tom” were here to lend his commentary on the technical aspects of the cinematography like he did on BTLIOF. And grateful for @tim to lend some historical background! And @dramallama, thank you for working so hard on the recap—every scene is a gorgeous screen-cap, I couldn’t possibly narrow them down to post!
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CS
July 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM
I was also wishing Tom were here. I love would to hear his thoughts. Is he watching/ commenting on anything these days?
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Linda Palapala
July 23, 2018 at 10:12 AM
Tom, @pakalanapikake and I (but mostly Tom) had a brilliant discussion of The Devil (Mawang). If you ever get the chance, watch it and somewhere here http://www.dramabeans.com/2007/04/devil-mawang-wave-of-japanese-support/?nid=212952&nidwpc=3154680#ready-comment-3154680 are all Tom's brilliant comments and analyzing.
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javinne
July 23, 2018 at 10:55 AM
Agree with you, Ally, dear. Thanks for mentioning the color. I have known the cinematography is gorgeous because I am not blind. From ep.1 you can see, but I am always lacking words in order to describe these stylistic effects. I feel them while watching, but I cannot explain them.
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10 frabbycrabsis loves KBS Drama Specials
July 23, 2018 at 6:52 AM
I swear, Hee-sung belongs in a different drama. He's so precious! ❤️
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Ghost of Tim (eccentric observations from a male perspective)
July 23, 2018 at 7:30 AM
Sorry, we get to keep him right here for 18 more episodes (hopefully!). ;)
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frabbycrabsis loves KBS Drama Specials
July 23, 2018 at 7:53 AM
Everyone's running around being serious and tragic, and Hee-sung is cracking out the puns! The boy has no chance of making it, at this rate! 😂😂😂
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seora
July 23, 2018 at 3:43 PM
He has just entered. If you have seen the highlight, he got something else. The scariest prediction of some audience, he may be the villain among the three boys despite the guilt.
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Peridot
July 23, 2018 at 3:55 PM
That would be a twist, but I have no problem seeing how it could go that way. We Beanies have to always be on the lookout for such twists.
But the other part of me is saying, "NOOOOOO! Please don't let wickedness be a genetic trait in this family!"
Dl
July 23, 2018 at 12:21 PM
Hee-sung brings lightness to all the heavy that is around him. To see a traditionally dressed set of parents enthusiastically hug (even if they were faking) their child in Joseon times is rare but in that scene, it worked. His spirited walk through town and even flirting with the ladies is refreshing. I'm sure the other shoe will drop for him but I'm enjoying the balance he brings to the show.
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LoveSojiSub51
July 23, 2018 at 2:21 PM
I feel he has the mental health issue of depression, where he is used to hiding it all the time. It mirrors what's happening in Korea now. High Expectations from society and family. I mean, 10 years? Really. The actor portraying him is really good at showcasing some of those emotions he can hide from family members, but not the tv audience. Yes is adorable, but I feel the weight he has will eventually break him or at least make him a bit more jaded towards the world. So I will stick with this precious-ness as long as possible.
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11 outofthisworld 不愧是我 🏍
July 23, 2018 at 7:01 AM
My favorite scene is the interpreters' fight. Hilarious!
This is probably the first KES drama I like since City Hall long long ago. Is it the acting? This time, they got the casting right! Everyone is pulling their weight from the main characters to the supporting ones. Don't even get me started on how much Byun Yo Han is adding to his character.
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Midnight
July 23, 2018 at 7:15 AM
But was the problem with her previous works the acting and casting? I thought it was her writing and her insisting on getting the big names she selects no matter what.
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outofthisworld 不愧是我 🏍
July 23, 2018 at 7:28 AM
Yes, it was more to do with her writing. Certain actors did make it worse. Even for this one, I still can't say I like her writing that much. There are bits I like and some which I don't get or dislike. However, I am enjoying it a lot more than expected and I think it's due to the excellent acting.
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Midnight
July 23, 2018 at 7:33 AM
I'm not watching this yet, but she seriously knows how to draw one in. I always start her dramas reluctantly and end up enjoying them too, however superficial that they are.
On the other hand, Cha Seung Won and Kim Sun Ah can elevate ANY script as high as the sky. I love City Hall.
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cariad
July 23, 2018 at 8:20 AM
For me the problem was how she wrote her heroines... except for the one in City Hall and this one...
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cariad
July 23, 2018 at 8:18 AM
Same about this drama and City Hall. If only she will continue to write drama's with heroines like Ae Shin and the one in City Hall then I would definitely watch her dramas...
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javinne
July 23, 2018 at 10:56 AM
LOL...
Mine too. At least in this episode.
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Dl
July 23, 2018 at 12:25 PM
Eugene's interpreter is hilarious. I still don't know whether to like him or not but I loved the joke about his twin. That casting is actually pretty spot on. I would have been confused had they not inserted that joke in the banter.
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12 ryunami
July 23, 2018 at 7:52 AM
Sorry i guess this is almost not related at all but from episode 4 and now into ep 5 some cameraworks made it look so important and close up, so I am curious, what is the name of the white flowers Hee Sung gave to Ae Shin? I think they are beautiful; their white colour reminds me of the pure white of a wedding dress.
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Aldebaran
July 23, 2018 at 10:18 PM
Flower that was brought by Heesung when he met Aeshin for the first time is white Delphinium.
Someone on IG has written about this flower meaning:
https://ig.me/a4h35PzdSkhpne
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ryunami
July 27, 2018 at 7:57 AM
TQVM for the info, Aldebaran..
Delphiniums are the official birth flower for July. White delphiniums symbolize youth and renewal.
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LateWatch
July 23, 2021 at 12:18 AM
Btw isnt delphinium/larkspur poisonous/toxic?
I read that all members of the genus Delphinium are toxic to humans and livestock, if touched (by humans), it can cause severe skin irritation. The flowers are normally used in displays and specialist competitions.
Wonder did the drama crew know about this.
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13 Nonso
July 23, 2018 at 8:04 AM
Eugene is sooooooo jealous. Thr look on his face when he saw hui sung and ae shin together ehn
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14 Del
July 23, 2018 at 8:14 AM
It puzzles me why I am still watching this drama because until episode 6, I still have vague idea the kind of story the writer intended to tell.
I admit that I was consistently blown away by the breathtaking cinematography though I think at times, they were overdone (especially the use of sunlight) and not to mention that set and costume. And then, there are the stellar casts line-ups of really good actors but then, I still feel nothing about this show.
In the end, I realized what this show truly lacking. While there are a lot of shows that were badly written and so it is easy to point out the fault - Mr. Sunshine is lacking the biggest element. THIS SHOW HAS NO HEART. It does not feel sincere at all. Everything feel so staged to give off that grandeur feeling.
I don't know how long I will hold on because the plot is moving at turtle pace. Too much focus on the backstory and not to mention how useless Eugene's superior is.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
July 23, 2018 at 9:17 AM
I agree on the sunlight and overdone cinematography. Even indoor shots they bring in sunlight. Understood that backlit shots are beautiful but doesn’t mean every shot has to be backlit :) the frames and shots are so curated and vanity overtakes the emotions. Inspite of this I thought it’s amazing that the actors shine. LOL on Eugene’s boss - he gets on my nerves. What a useless character. I am curious to see how his other friend Joseph comes into the story - given that he is now in Northern Korea.
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Linda Palapala
July 23, 2018 at 10:15 AM
And per usual with her dramas, the music is overly dramatic for the scene.
I'm waiting for the Marine to leave, for Japan to start to take control. I'm assuming the pace will pick up and start racing.
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WishfulToki
July 23, 2018 at 11:45 AM
Hmm I don't know. I am fine with the pace so far (maybe I could use less of long dramatic stares) but I remember that in GOBLIN I waited for the pace to pick up...and waited, and waited, and waited... and basically the pace picked up only in ep. 12 and then sort of hurled itself into a crash finale.
I'm not saying Goblin was bad, but the pace didn't work for me. But so far it is here. Fingers crossed we get a tiny bit of action soon.
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Linda Palapala
July 23, 2018 at 12:16 PM
Admittedly, after reading the recap I skipped to the last 15 minutes of episode 5 and wow, I loved it. I take back what I said previously about the overly dramatic music. It was nice.
With just the last 15 minutes, I don't see as much a romantic chemistry between Ae sin and Eugene but more a love of Joseon and curiosity about each other.
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Del
July 23, 2018 at 5:33 PM
The only bit I remember of episode 5 is where Dong Mae tugged at the hem of Ae Shin's skirt. A bit overdramatic with the slow-mo of her skirt brushing his hand but then, the intensity suits Dong Mae. It's him along with Hee Sung that keep me watching.
15 annerl
July 23, 2018 at 8:20 AM
The last scene was so powerful. First of all a guy (even a noble one) hanging on to the skirt of a lady during those times is downright scandalous, but a guy of a different rank than the lady is somehow outrightly begging to be killed. Somehow, I think it's his way of rebelling against the order without actually physically harming her—it's probably the closest Dong-mae can get to touching Ae-shin without actually touching her. (Quite frankly, it can be classified as assault already.) Even with his cultivated image of a scary gang leader, the class divide between him and Ae-shin is something that Dong-mae couldn't quite breach—it's only Ae-shin who can ironically make him feel both inferior and surprisingly a human being at the same time.
I love the way that everyone's eyes here get to be focussed. The characters say one thing, but their eyes tell another story altogether.
As an immigrant, I can very well relate to the consternation that Eugene feels about the simple, seemingly harmless question of ‘Where are you from?’ [No, where are you really from (from my mother's womb that's where). Ha!]
Ah but the action is still quite low-key for me this week (I'm not violent I swear), but except for the almost confrontation with the Japanese soldiers, there hasn't been any action altogether, particularly on the Joseon side of the story, i.e., the ‘resistance’ fighters (except for the rummaging of Eugene's hotel room).
I'm actually liking Hee-sung's character. His over-the-top persona is by now, established as a front that he presents to the outside world, clearly he knows that there's more to his family than riches, but either he was made blissfully unaware of such things, or as defence mechanism he just doesn't want to delve into ugly truths. Despite this, there is that honesty about him that knocks people off their perch, and it is probably why Ae-shin decided that he's better off being a friend than a husband.
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javinne
July 23, 2018 at 11:00 AM
Still, I wonder if he will remain a "friend", or he will try to make her fulfill a promise and marry him. Because obviously he started to like her the moment he saw her again.
On the other hand he doesn't stop being a Casanova.
I am really curious...🤔
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Blue (@mayhemf)
July 23, 2018 at 11:51 AM
Of all the people I feel he is the most liberal and sees people for who they are. He might be flirtatious and fleeting now, but I think it all stems from deep rooted hate for inequality. He can’t live in this escapist mode for long. I can’t wait for him and AS to connect. They both come from similar upbringing and am sure they both have their POV.
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bbstl 🧹
July 23, 2018 at 5:09 PM
I don't think he necessarily wants to be friends, he's just playing for time until he gets the full lay of the land and knows what he does want. And what he wants will depend a lot on family-, meaning financial- and political-motivations, if he's a true Joseon noble. Then again, he may really just be the butterfly that we see on the surface. (Noooooooo!)
And then again, he may be constructing a whole 'nother life beneath that surface and need or not need a pretty, rich, noble fiancée/wife to help hide it. (Yessssssss!)
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risa
July 23, 2018 at 9:48 PM
Ever since @wishfultoki raised the possibilty of Hee-sung being a Scarlet Pimpernel, my heart glommed onto that idea and has been holding onto it for dear life. His behavior this episode certainly fit the profile. And the fact that The Scarlet Pimpernel was first performed in 1903 has gotta be auspicious, right?
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bbstl 🧹
July 23, 2018 at 10:09 PM
👍🏼 yes, I'm on that same wavelength with @wishfultoki.
risa
July 23, 2018 at 10:26 PM
@bbstl
I know-- you both stoked the fire and turned me into a wishfulrisa.
bbstl 🧹
July 23, 2018 at 11:15 PM
@risaa
we shall have to be three pimpernels in a pod, then 🌺🌺🌺 and wait to see how he turns out!
16 Linda Palapala
July 23, 2018 at 12:52 PM
Apparently I have a love/hate relationship with this drama. I keep having conflicting feelings.
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Ally
July 23, 2018 at 3:02 PM
Just give in and love it! And if there’s something you hate, just look at YYS.
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Linda Palapala
July 23, 2018 at 3:15 PM
YYS??
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Ally
July 23, 2018 at 3:49 PM
Yoo Yeon Seok
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Linda Palapala
July 23, 2018 at 3:58 PM
tbh I don't find him that appealing (I must be the only one)
Ally
July 23, 2018 at 4:03 PM
He grew on me the first time I saw him.
kayedrama
July 23, 2018 at 9:11 PM
You should watch him in Answer Me! He's charming.
17 Blue (@mayhemf)
July 23, 2018 at 1:13 PM
Can someone clarify. According to this recap he offers to cancel the wedding but remain friends. But Netflix subtitles say he offers to postpone the marriage, he takes the blame but remain friends. What exactly did he propose?
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Soybean
July 23, 2018 at 6:45 PM
Yes. He offers to postpone it, not cancel it.
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Blue (@mayhemf)
July 24, 2018 at 11:50 AM
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18 persianrose❤️战哥
July 23, 2018 at 1:40 PM
This drama, specially ep 5 and 6 reminds me of Pride & Prejudice (2005 movie)... So poetic and elegant!! I appreciate that this story is focusing more on exploring its characters and their inner conflicts rather than focusing so much on history and politics (I specially appreciate the absence of ministers and king in most of the scenes)
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WishfulToki
July 23, 2018 at 1:46 PM
I'm reminded of "Gone With The Wind", but with a much more improved female lead.
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persianrose❤️战哥
July 23, 2018 at 2:21 PM
I understand how some elemnts, e.g. aristocracy termination, civil war, idealistic aristocrats, and also the artful cinematography/lighting can reminds you of GWTW... As much as I like GWTW and P&P (both are my all time favorite), Eugene and Ae-shin are far more interesting lead characters: Neither Eugene is a playboy nor Ae-shin is petulant noblewoman... there is so much depth in their characters...!
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Linda Palapala
July 23, 2018 at 2:56 PM
Ae shin as Scarlet
Ashley: Eugene?
Rhett: Hee Sung/Dong Mae
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WishfulToki
July 23, 2018 at 3:01 PM
Ae-Shin as Scarlet, but I see Hee-Sung as an Ashley type more than Eugene (who is self-made like Rhett). Anyway, the comparison doesn't hold. I think it's more because of the civil war, end of aristocracy days, romance across social classes, etc. that @persianrose pointed out.
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Linda Palapala
July 23, 2018 at 3:14 PM
Yes, I know, but it was fun. Hee sung has more of Rhett's personality (kind of a playboy) and Eugene has more of Ashley's personality (low key).
Linda Palapala
July 23, 2018 at 3:17 PM
By Yes, I know, yes, I know because of the end of the aristocracy, the whole culture is gone. But romance across social classes is very rare still.
WishfulToki
July 23, 2018 at 4:09 PM
You know what I'm missing though? A sweeping orchestral OST.
Linda Palapala
July 23, 2018 at 4:11 PM
@wishfultoki: funny you should mention sweeping orchestral music. (This from 6th ep) the piano arpeggios were driving me insane. Just, no.
WishfulToki
July 23, 2018 at 4:14 PM
Well, I'm a pianist and I know pianos were all the rage for middle-upper classes in the 19th-20th century, but those arpeggios and the squeaky violin were driving me insane too.
Just give me a full orchestra piece like in the Gone With The Wind, please.
Linda Palapala
July 23, 2018 at 4:19 PM
Speaking of which - the first season of Farscape had great alien sounding synthesized music. And I get the same vibe with the same music from Legend of Fuyao. That was one clue it's tongue-in-cheek. Plus Prince Fierce! He reminds me of Lancelot in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
Ghost of Tim (eccentric observations from a male perspective)
July 23, 2018 at 3:53 PM
Wow, that Gone with the Wind comparison is rather eerie. I like it. Will Scarlet end up with Ashley in this version?
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19 Daisy
July 23, 2018 at 2:31 PM
I don’t know much about Korean history except through information given by dramas. (Of course I fact check to certify that I don’t receive the full fictionalized version. Hehe!) Someone had already stated that in the end, the Japanese will take over. I looked it up, and it’s true. What about the U.S. though? How did the Japanese take over while the U.S. was present? I’d like to receive insight from someone knowledgeable about Korean history.
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Linda Palapala
July 23, 2018 at 2:59 PM
Somebody answered this in the comments from episode 5.
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WishfulToki
July 23, 2018 at 3:30 PM
The US has minimal presence in Korea at the time and they are mostly watching from the sidelines. A few of us were confused too and did some collective research. Check out discussion threads for ep. 3-4, maybe starting here: http://www.dramabeans.com/2018/07/mr-sunshine-episode-4/#comment-3274271
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Daisy
July 23, 2018 at 6:49 PM
Thank you very much!!! I was unaware of a prior discussion, but I’ll be reading them now.
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20 sia
July 23, 2018 at 3:10 PM
That scene between Eugene and Ae-shin in the woods was so beautifully executed. I really enjoy these understated and unannounced romantic gestures that catches these characters off their gaurd and the actors pull it off really well. I know the beginning is slow but I think the plot is going to be dramatic so maybe it requires such intricate character developments. But I hope the plot kicks in full swing next week- I am craving for more interactions and emotions between characters!!! How I am supposed to wait till Saturday!!!!!!
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21 PakalanaPikake
July 23, 2018 at 3:23 PM
Thank you for your recap and comments, dramallama. ;-)
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22 신류지
July 23, 2018 at 4:01 PM
OMGOMGOMG totally just found out that the mini Eugene Kim here actually has a reunion with Yoon Yeon Seok!! (kinda since they don't actually meet in this drama XD) The kid played a cameo in Doctor Romantic
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23 kingsqueen
July 23, 2018 at 5:20 PM
I'm so glad this drama is being re-capped! Thank you so much!
I get so caught up in the dialogue that the overarching developments aren't always clear to me, so this helps me put everything together.
I never expected that I would enjoy this show. I don't even remember what made me decide to give it a chance, but I'm so glad I did. I normally don't watch historicals because they're too political for me and I get confused and bored. That's partly why I'm not disturbed that the plot involving the political stuff hasn't been moving along more quickly. I'm entirely too captivated by the characters, their interactions, the cinematography, the music, the comedic moments, etc. to be that concerned about it yet. As long as Ae Sin and Eugene keep moving towards each other steadily, I'm happily glued to my screen. Dong Mae and Hee Sung only add to the interest. (And I'm usually anti YYS, but he doesn't bother me here - I almost didn't even recognize him when he first showed up on screen!)
I appreciate everyone's thoughtful comments too. As per usual, the discussions in the comments only add to my enjoyment of a show! You all always give me more points to ponder. :)
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24 Kemma
July 23, 2018 at 11:25 PM
I like the back and forth word play between Ae-Shin and Eugene. Its deeeeep with meaning
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25 kd6606
July 25, 2018 at 10:22 PM
Ponderous is the word that comes to mind on this drama. It might just collapse under its own weight LOL! And the use of Teddy Roosevelt quote is hilarious.
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26 anglvue
July 26, 2018 at 2:20 AM
I need Byun Yo Hun to keep sporting this look...always! He looks so good.
Yoo Yeun Seok feels like such a tragic figure. I need him to be happy. I can't stand him being on the other side!!!
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27 eatjin
August 1, 2018 at 4:51 PM
I personally don't mind the slowness of the plot. I know its coming and I feel it building but I love that we are getting such fleshed out characters in turn for it. Like that's what I miss in TV shows a lot. Amazing characters that are explained and rounded and human and if we had to spend 4 episodes getting to know them I don't mind because I am falling in love with every single person in this drama.
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28 therevels
September 30, 2018 at 3:36 AM
CMIIW, but isn't Eugene supposed to have American accent whenever he speaks any language? Considering that this is the first time he went back to Joseon, I am confused that he speaks in Joseon accent.
I can see why Ae-shin is curious with Eugene than others, he have contrast upbringing with her (he looks like Joseon, yet he is very western), yet he is very similar with her in nature, in this case having similar sense of fighting for justice through different cause. One is searching justice for his parents, and other is searching justice for women rights.
Also Dong-mae in last scene is quite scary
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