Hwayugi: Episode 18
by girlfriday
At last, changes are afoot! Granted, we’re still waiting for the doomsday train to pull into the station after weeks and weeks (and weeks) of talking about it, but today we finally get some answers about our hero’s fate, and a sprinkling of hope that maybe it’s not all set in stone. This episode is all about the fluid relationship between nobility and idiocy, and where a monkey’s love falls on the spectrum.
EPISODE 18 RECAP
Oh-gong makes an offer to turn political hopeful Kang Dae-sung into a king, and orders him to gather more people like him who will do anything for money and power. Oh-gong says that Kang and those other people will call forth what he really wants, and we cut away to the river where the dragon will be summoned.
Kang Dae-sung suggests that they discuss the details of their deal over drinks, but Oh-gong says he’s too busy because he has to watch his weekend dramas, and points over at CEO Sa to say that he can discuss the details with him.
Kang Dae-sung gets bitter about being treated like he’s insignificant, and asks if Oh-gong thinks he’s some kind of god. If you only knew. Oh-gong replies, “It’s obvious what kind of world you would create, so would a god help you? Think of me as the devil.”
Mawang finds Oh-gong lying around watching TV at home, and starts to nag about him ruining the couch and his general lack of thriftiness as a roommate. But when Oh-gong tells Mawang that he can have the Warhol in the bathroom and everything in his liquor cellar, Mawang gets concerned and asks if he really intends to die.
Oh-gong says he’s found out which demon will possess Sun-mi—it’s the dragon that Priestess will summon. Mawang argues that dragons aren’t demons, but Oh-gong clarifies that this one is a black dragon.
Patriarch tells the General Store owner the same news, and she attributes the existence of the black dragon to human evil in this generation.
Oh-gong intends to let Priestess summon the dragon for Kang Dae-sung, and defeat it before it can wreak havoc or get to Sun-mi. Mawang is skeptical of his plan, noting that dragons are not easy foes to topple.
Oh-gong guesses from the way he’s talking that Mawang has fought a dragon before and lost, and Mawang says he and the dragon merely sized each other up in a gentlemanly fashion before retreating. Ha. Oh-gong immediately calls him out on running scared because he knew he’d lose.
Mawang worries that Oh-gong will end up broken or dead, and says that the easy solution is right in front of him: Let the dragon possess Sun-mi and stab her with the sword. Mawang says it’s the bracelet’s fault that he won’t consider this as an option, and offers to cut off Oh-gong’s hand if he needs to.
Oh-gong surprises him by agreeing right then and there to lose a hand, genuinely curious about what will happen to his feelings once the bracelet is removed. Mawang gets ready to do it and asks if Oh-gong really believes that his love will remain, and he says, “I sincerely hope that it will.”
Mawang’s resolve softens at that, and he can’t do it anymore. He tells Oh-gong to just fight the dragon and be ripped to shreds, and Oh-gong lets him know that he’ll be staying at his penthouse for a little while.
He smiles when he hears Sun-mi calling his name, and finds her drinking alone at a pojangmacha. She’s already drunk, and she puts a star candy in Oh-gong’s hand and asks him to put it in the sky with the other stars. She starts mocking him when he doesn’t do it, so he actually flings the candy into the sky and turns it into a star.
She says that her party tricks aren’t nearly as impressive, and demonstrates by moving the soup ladle in front of her with her mind. She starts asking him to turn her food into a mountain and her soup into an ocean, but then he grows thoughtful when she says that she wants him to build that world so that they can live in it together.
Sun-mi admits that she didn’t hate it even when he was chasing her to eat her because he was so handsome, and that she was so happy when he was following her around to declare his love. She reminisces about how good the ice cream was, and how sweet the cotton candy, and her tears threaten to spill over when she remembers that they won’t be able to see each other anymore after the bracelet disappears.
“What do I do? I like you so much,” she says, clutching her heart and bursting into tears. He just sits beside her quietly as she cries, and later she’s fast asleep in her bed and he sits alone with a heavy heart.
Kang Dae-sung tells Priestess that he has a new ally who will help him go straight to the top, though she’s a little worried about the trail of bodies he’s leaving on his way there. She wonders if he’s really okay with all those murders if he’s being honest with himself, but he simply says he did what he had to. You know you’re evil when the priestess questions your morals, dude.
Priestess looks out over the river and flashes back to the day Oh-gong had confronted her here, and told her honestly that he intends to help her so that he can defeat the dragon demon. She’d argued that it was impossible for the dragon she summons to be a demon, but he’d told her that the land they were standing on was full of dark energy, which she couldn’t sense because she’s now a demon too.
Oh-gong had told her not to assume that she chose Kang Dae-sung, because in truth, he was the one who dragged her into this. She looks over at Kang Dae-sung now, and realizes that him killing Buja was how she ended up here.
When Sun-mi gets to work, Han-joo presents her with hangover soup made by fancy hotel chefs, and tells her that Oh-gong asked his advice on what kind of hangover food she liked best. It only ends up bringing her to tears though, as she thinks of all the things she ate with Oh-gong and how she can’t eat them again without thinking of him.
Mawang is happy to have the house to himself without the pesky monkey… for all of two minutes before he gets bored. He even starts to miss Oh-gong’s annoying mistreatment of his bull statue, and doesn’t find joy in cleaning it like he used to.
He wonders if Oh-gong’s monkey statue will disappear if Oh-gong dies, and he gives it a half-hearted cleaning and even refrains from spitting on it, ha. He looks back and forth between the two statues and says, “If it’s just the cow, it’ll be a little empty.”
Mawang lights up when he hears the front door, thinking that Oh-gong has come home, and deflates the second he sees Secretary Ma there instead. She also notes that the entryway will look empty without the monkey statue, and Mawang jumps on that, agreeing that it’s better to have Oh-gong around even if he’s a nuisance, for the sake of the interior design. Pfffffft.
Mawang: “Let’s save a monkey, shall we?” Now we’re talkin’.
Operation: Save a Monkey’s Ass begins with a visit to the General Store, where Mawang asks the shopkeeper’s grandson for a second bracelet just like Oh-gong’s. They come back to the office with the “old model,” a circlet worn on the head that inflicts pain if the wearer disobeys, aka the original golden circlet worn by the monkey in Journey to the West.
Mawang figures that they can experiment with this one to find a way to save Oh-gong from his bracelet. But… why can’t they just ask Sun-mi to remove it? I’ll stop asking logical questions now.
Mawang insists on being the guinea pig himself, so Secretary Ma puts the circlet on his head and commands him to do things, and every time he disobeys, he’s zapped with a jolt of pain. He’s a big baby about it and wails for Secretary Ma to remove it, and the pain stops the moment she pulls the circlet off his head.
Secretary Ma takes a turn wearing it, but she’s been trained so well to heed Mawang’s commands that she’s incapable of disobeying, which frustrates him anew. To their surprise, this time the circlet falls right off her head without either of them touching it, and they assume that the shopkeeper’s grandson sold them a defective one.
Priestess tells Oh-gong that she has the power to awaken the dragon, but she’s going to need Sun-mi’s power to bring it into this world. He plans to kill it before that happens, and tells Priestess to leave Sun-mi out of it.
Hilariously, she fixates on the fact that she and Oh-gong are sharing a secret behind his girlfriend’s back like they’re having a tryst, and angles for an invite to his penthouse. He asks if “doing it” is all she thought about for 1200 years while rotting in that coffin, because he doesn’t see any other explanation for the way she throws herself at him.
Priestess grits her teeth and says defensively that she’s looking for someone to stay by her side for eternity, and admits that she was lonely. Oh-gong makes it clear that he has no intention of fulfilling a demon’s wishes, and she cries angry tears to be called something so lowly as a demon.
Han-joo advises Sun-mi to buy land in the town that Kang Dae-sung is developing, because he’s now a sure frontrunner to be president after his rival’s sudden death. Sun-mi is shocked to hear that someone around him has died, and heads to the broadcast station to seek him out.
She watches him from a distance and has another vision of that river valley, making her wonder why she keeps seeing that place. Priestess walks up to her, and Sun-mi asks why she went to Kang Dae-sung’s side, and when Priestess insists that she chose him, Sun-mi gets in her face and commands for Buja to answer her instead.
Priestess scoffs, but at Sun-mi’s earnest request for Buja to answer, the priestess’s mark on her body suddenly glows red. Sun-mi grabs her hand, and in that moment she can see Buja’s memory of the night Kang Dae-sung hit her with his car and left her to die.
Priestess is unnerved by Sun-mi’s growing abilities, especially when she asks where the river valley is. When Kang Dae-sung asks Priestess if Sun-mi is more powerful than she is, Priestess growls that they don’t need her, because she can do everything herself. He doesn’t seem so convinced anymore.
Sun-mi gets a headache after running into Kang Dae-sung, and she’s surprised when the General Store grandma shows up beside her in the street to ask if she’s okay. Grandma says that the headaches are caused by her discovering things she ought to know, and Sun-mi asks what she’s supposed to do.
Grandma tells her that she must empty herself of the thing most precious to her, which isn’t something anybody can do. She pats Sun-mi on the back and says that she can do it because she’s Sam-jang.
Mawang takes the circlet to Oh-gong and tells him about their test, and Oh-gong thanks Mawang for having bought him the newer model, shuddering at the thought of wearing that thing around on his head, LOL.
Mawang says that this one is defective because it came right off, and Oh-gong confirms that his doesn’t budge no matter how much soap, water, and stone you attack it with. He still doesn’t want to remove his bracelet, but Mawang argues that he should take it off to know how he truly feels—what if Sun-mi isn’t even his type and he’s about to risk his life for her?
Oh-gong notes that Mawang seems eager for him to live: “Do you love me?” Hahaha. Mawang says he just doesn’t feel right about Oh-gong dying for love because of him, and tosses him some medicine that Secretary Ma procured for him.
Mawang takes the circlet back to the General Store, where the grandson says he can’t give a refund because he already spent the money. With no choice but to demonstrate that the circlet still works, he puts it on his head, and every time Mawang catches him in a lie, the circlet gives him a jolt of pain.
Mawang removes it for him and agrees to keep it now that it’s working again. He thinks the kid was overreacting at the pain, having conveniently forgotten how he whined on his knees for Secretary Ma to save him.
The grandson calls out to Mawang not to leave his umbrella behind, calling him “Ajusshi,” which makes Mawang stop in his tracks. He says that no monster calls him ajusshi, clearly thinking it impudent, but when the boy asks if it’s not allowed, Mawang tells him it’s okay.
After Mawang leaves, the grandson grumbles that he was told he wasn’t just a monster, but half-immortal. You don’t say.
Priestess walks into Summer Fairy’s bar, where Frosty greets her stoically. She was called here by Oh-gong, but is disappointed to learn that she’s only meeting with Frosty as his messenger.
He says he’s keeping the bar open because his sister cherished it, and pours Priestess some water in a paper cup. She points out all the clean glasses to choose from, but Frosty says those were all cherished by his sister too, and he doesn’t want Priestess touching them. Burn.
Afterwards, Frosty tells Oh-gong and CEO Sa that there are three items needed for Priestess’s dragon-summoning ritual—a rock to light the world, a bell to ring throughout the world, and a sword to govern the world. CEO Sa interprets those in present-day terms as a scholar, a reporter, and a person of law. Oh-gong wonders what all of Kang Dae-sung’s supporters would do if they were to find out what kind of person he really is.
Kang Dae-sung makes plans with Priestess to hold his foundation’s big 100-year anniversary event at the river so that she can summon the dragon that night, but they’re interrupted by his secretary when news breaks of his family’s secret history as Japanese sympathizers.
That’s quickly followed by suspicions surrounding the death of his political rival, and Kang Dae-sung begins to worry that he has an enemy who knows the truth about him.
CEO Sa wonders if the black dragon will remain dormant if humans take Kang Dae-sung down themselves, but Oh-gong knows better and expects for Kang’s supporters to show their true colors, calling them a rock to bring the world into darkness, a bell to spread lies throughout the world, and a sword that swings in the wrong direction.
This is the kind of warfare we’re all too familiar with: Kang Dae-sung’s supporters wield their power from the top of every foundation, news organization, and courthouse, until the charges against his family are suddenly dropped, and a celebrity scandal breaks in perfect time to divert everyone’s attention.
Kang’s political clout only grows, and Mawang is so disgusted that he refuses to attend the 100-year anniversary party. Sun-mi storms in to ask what Oh-gong is planning to do, but Mawang just tells her to find out for herself and gives her his invitation to the party.
Sun-mi tells them what a horrible person Kang Dae-sung is, and they all go slack-jawed when she tells them that he killed Buja. Dragon Prince Alice wonders if they need to tell PK, but Mawang knows he’d try to kill Kang Dae-sung and ruin Oh-gong’s plans, so he thinks they should hold off on telling him.
Meanwhile, Priestess goes to visit Buja’s mother in the hospital but the bed is empty, and a nurse tells her that she passed away this afternoon. She’s rattled when tears roll down her cheeks uncontrollably, and she turns around to find PK standing behind her.
He stops her from leaving and asks why she’s crying, and Priestess says she’s not the one crying right now. PK wraps his arms around her in a warm embrace, and she lets herself be consoled.
CEO Sa watches Kang Dae-sung schmoozing his supporters at the anniversary party, and he realizes that humans would just make another leader in the same exact way if they got rid of this one. Oh-gong can’t stomach any more and decides to leave, but then he senses Sun-mi’s arrival and bites out a curse.
Sun-mi barely manages to be civil as she greets Kang Dae-sung, and Secretary Ma gets called away by Oh-gong, who asks angrily why she’d bring Sun-mi here. She relays a message from Mawang that Sun-mi is running her own investigation, so there’s no hiding this from her any longer.
Oh-gong interrupts Sun-mi’s conversation with Kang Dae-sung and sends him away quite easily, and once they’re alone, she tells him that she’s trying to find the river she keeps seeing in her visions. She adds that Kang Dae-sung killed Buja, and Oh-gong is stunned.
He finally tells her the truth—that Kang Dae-sung will bring forth a demon that’ll come out of the river she’s been seeing, and he’s waiting to fight it.
PK takes Priestess out to a fancy wine bar, where she’s quick to remind him that she was once an all-powerful priestess far above him in stature, only to watch enviously as PK gets treated like royalty by the server. He appeases her ego and asks the great priestess to clink glasses, and she beams.
Afterwards, she takes him to Kang Dae-sung’s house to show him her coffin, which PK says he was always curious about. He wants to know where she came from to understand her better, and admits that he wants her to continue growing nicer so that she’ll stay in Buja’s body and protect her.
PK begs her to stop doing bad things, because Oh-gong and Mawang are bound to kill her if she continues down this path, and he doesn’t want that. She seems affected by that, and then she looks genuinely moved when PK muses that she must’ve been so sad, all alone in that coffin for 1200 years.
He sympathizes with how betrayed she must’ve felt, and even says he understands why she’s acting out. Priestess agrees that she’s just angry, not a demon, and PK pets her hair sweetly and reminds her that she can be good from now on because she’s a priestess. She smiles back lovingly and says that she likes him because he doesn’t make her feel pathetic.
Back at the party, Sun-mi asks if this dragon is going to be really strong, and Oh-gong says Mawang ran away from one back in the day. That scares her since she knows Mawang is quite strong, and Oh-gong sputters loudly that he is WAY stronger than Mawang, annoyed that she was told otherwise.
The whole room turns to look at them, and she notes that he’s become famous now. He finds it annoying and much preferred lying about watching TV and following her around. He says he’s doing a good job blending in with humans though, only to bark at an elderly man in banmal for bumping into Sun-mi two seconds later.
She tells him to maintain polite decorum when interacting with humans, but that goes out the window when a snooty lady butts in to introduce her daughter to Oh-gong. He looks over at Sun-mi and asks if he still has to be polite, and she’s so quick to answer, “As you were,” so that he’ll chase them away. Hee.
Oh-gong says that all the humans at this party smell foul, which is why he was extra shocked when she arrived. He says that the lotus scent in her blood is getting stronger by the day, which Mawang also noticed, and Sun-mi says that she’s going to continue getting stronger.
He’s alarmed when she mentions meeting the General Store owner, who told her she’d have to empty what’s important to her when the time comes. He argues that she’s not a dish to be emptied, but Sun-mi says it must be her heart that needs emptying, because right now it’s full of love for him.
She says that she’s been hesitating because of that love, but if she empties her heart, she’ll be able to do her job and save people, so that’s what she’s going to do. Oh-gong struggles to hide his emotions, but says that’s fair—his heart will disappear, and hers will empty.
He can’t help but get angry that she came all the way here to tell him that she’s going to empty her heart of him, and asks her to do him a favor: “Don’t do it in front of me. I’m the one who poured all that love into you until you were full. I’ll be too pitiful. Empty it where I can’t see.”
She tamps down her tears and goes out alone to look at the stars, which also remind her of Oh-gong, like everything else. She tells herself that she has to empty out her heart if she’s ever going to look at the stars again.
Oh-gong storms into the General Store and lights into Grandma for telling Sun-mi she had to empty herself like she’s some vessel, but Grandma points out that she IS a vessel—that’s her purpose, to be a pure vessel that can overcome evil.
Grandma says that Sun-mi is special enough to take on such a sacrifice, which just angers Oh-gong more. With balled up fists at his side, he begs everyone to just let Sun-mi live: “I’ll fulfill that sacrifice.”
Grandma just calmly notes that the prideful Sohn Oh-gong has come to choose self-sacrifice, and Oh-gong stills, realizing that she was the one who led him to wear this bracelet in the first place. “Who are you…?” he asks, but all she says in response is that he no longer needs the yoke of the bracelet to constrain him… which means that it is powerless now. OH. OH.
At the same time, Mawang is still trying to crack Secretary Ma’s strange immunity to the circlet, but no matter how many times they try, it doesn’t work on her. She wonders if it’s because the circlet’s purpose is to bind someone to obey blindly, but she’s already completely obedient to him. Ding ding ding!
You can practically see the light bulb go on over Mawang’s head. He jumps out of his seat and says that’s it—the circlet has no power over someone who has no intention of going against it. He wonders if that means that Oh-gong can take off his own bracelet.
Oh-gong asks that very question to Grandma, who asks what need there is to shackle him if he no longer considers his love an imprisonment. He looks down at his wrist in shock, and then she drops another bomb: He has overcome the power of the bracelet on his own, which means that the fate of the death bell and the plans of heaven could all flow in a different direction from here on out.
Oh-gong goes straight to Sun-mi, who’s still gazing at the stars, and he watches her quietly from a distance for a long beat, and then slowly tries pulling the bracelet off. Omo! Omo! He’s doing it!
It slides right off his wrist without a fight, and then he tentatively begins to walk toward her.
He stops to gaze at her, and says with tears in his eyes, “What am I going to do? Looking at you like this… you’re even more beautiful to me.”
He doesn’t go to her though, and all he allows himself to do is drop that star candy back down from the sky. It lands in her lap, but by the time she looks around, he’s gone. Aaaaaaaugh, why?
Mawang is waiting for Oh-gong when he gets home and gleefully announces that he’s cracked the puzzle… only to have Oh-gong show him the bracelet in his hand. LOL, Mawang’s face when his thunder gets stolen is priceless.
He asks how it felt when he saw Sun-mi, and Oh-gong says that he defeated the bracelet because his love didn’t disappear. Mawang is sad for him that he’s still in love, which still means death, while Oh-gong wonders how long he’s been able to take the bracelet off. Mawang says he’s been weird ever since he threw the Sam-jang seasoning away.
To his horror, Oh-gong slides the bracelet back on, which he says he’s doing for Sun-mi’s sake. Mawang argues that she was always worried that he wouldn’t love her without the bracelet and would be happy at this news. IS WHAT I’M SAYING. Oh-gong says that he saw how the last Sam-jang’s protector chose to die, and if Sun-mi is the one left behind after he’s gone, he doesn’t want to leave his love behind.
He says that if he survives after it’s all over, he’ll go to her then and take off the bracelet in front of her. Mawang scoffs that he’s trying to act cool and switches gears to ask where he hid the sword, but Oh-gong just deflects by asking if Mawang loves him that much. He assures Mawang that if he can defeat the bracelet, he can defeat a dragon.
PK tells Frosty and Dragon Prince Alice that he thinks he can rehabilitate Priestess to live as Buja. They warn him to be careful, but PK can’t see reason where Buja is concerned, so Alice blurts angrily that Priestess is knowingly aligning herself with Kang Dae-sung, who murdered Buja. Agh, of course you told him.
And just as Mawang had predicted, PK sees red the moment he learns the truth, and declares that he’s going to kill Priestess and Kang Dae-sung both.
Sun-mi storms into Oh-gong’s penthouse to pick a fight over the star candy, asking why he threw it at her and ghosted. He says he told her to empty her heart where he couldn’t see, but she was crying on the roof right in front of him. Says the stalker who followed her there?
She blows up at him for demanding that in the first place, arguing that he might be cavalier about his feelings, but she can’t just empty out her heart like he can because there’s so much that she stacked inside of it, one by one. “Do you know how much there is to throw away, you jerk?” she shouts, pelting the star candy at his chest.
She cries that she’s going to throw her heart away right in front of him, right where he can see, and he tries his damnedest to keep his composure as he tells her to do her worst. But then she says, “I love you,” and it’s like his willpower just cracks.
“I love you. I love you so much. I love you! I love you!” she shouts, before running into his arms. She says it again and then kisses him, and when she pulls away, he finally says to her, “If you pour it out like this, I won’t stop.”
All she says in response is, “I love you,” which is all the encouragement he needs to pull her into a passionate kiss.
Soon they’re in his bed, and he stops to gaze into her eyes before kissing her again.
COMMENTS
Well, that’s one way to break up. I was SO excited when Oh-gong finally took the goddamn bracelet off, and so disappointed when he didn’t show it to her right away that I was all ready to pitch a fit about it in the comments, but then Sun-mi managed to bring it back around when she refused to empty her heart quietly and went over there to pick a fight. Thank goodness for that. I really needed something to change in their relationship today, because the plot has otherwise stalled while we wait for this dragon to show itself, and I was prepared to be angry if we’d left that massive bomb about the bracelet sandwiched in between Oh-gong’s acts of noble idiocy and just ended on tears.
The thing is, I find his actions mostly noble and mostly not idiotic, especially when taken individually. He’s doing what he can to protect a human and the love of his life, while he’s prepared to sacrifice his life in her place to save the world. No argument from me that he isn’t just plain noble. It’s just that the sum of his choices has shown a pattern of keeping Sun-mi in the dark over and over again when she’s best served just knowing the truth and making decisions for herself, especially when she’s the one fated to save the freaking world. It did break my heart that he was too afraid that his real, not-under-the-influence-of-bracelet love would be a burden on her if she were left behind to mourn him, but it’s not like she’d somehow mourn any less if he died right now. I felt like that was a prime us-against-the-world moment that was left on the table when he didn’t run over to her to show off his bracelet-free wrist, because like he said, he defeated that thing with the power of love, for crying out loud. If that really does change the flow of fate and heaven’s plans for them and blow all the bad omens out of the water, then she needs to be given that hope now, not after the dragon is slayed.
I rather like the conceit that the bracelet only holds power over you when you resist it, and that Oh-gong may have been free of its influence for a good long while now. How poetic that a shackle is no longer a shackle the moment you actively choose to wear it. It’s a clean solution to the concern we had over whether Oh-gong’s love was real, because it serves as its own test of proof—he can only remove it when the love is real, so it’s not based on something intangible like whether he still finds her pretty (even though we all knew he would, duh). I thought his emotion in that moment came across perfectly, where he seemed scared to take it off in case Grandma was wrong, and then completely shaken when it proved her right. I’m grateful for that development, because I was getting really tired of the tease every time they almost took it off and then backtracked in pretty much every other episode.
And even though it was futile, I loved that Mawang spent the entire episode trying to save Oh-gong and looking for excuses not to let him die. I wish they were more consistent on the status of their bromance from episode to episode (because didn’t Mawang want to eat Sun-mi yesterday?), but when it’s like today, I can’t complain. I just need everyone to stop being a lone hero and get on the same page, because if I have to watch our good guys sabotaging each other instead of forming a group plan one more time, I will throw something. I’m all for leaving PK hogtied in the closet for an episode just in case too. We don’t have time for your well-meaning shenanigans, Pig! There’s a dragon that needs slaying so that the stupid monkey will tell his girl that his love is real, for some god-forsaken reason!
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1 allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 12:33 AM
It's here, it's here! Thank you, Girlfriday😘
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Terumbukarang
February 26, 2018 at 6:35 PM
Sorry ride your comment.
My questions:
1. If a deity like SOG & Heron lady die
- where did they go?
- Will they reincarnate too?
- If a deity died, how many times the will reincarnate? Same like human 4 times?
- If god/diety reincarnate, do they born as a deity or as a human/animal/devil
- Will they remember the memory of their past lives?
2. If JSM die
- does her baby will become samjang in replace of her?
- does her baby will inherit the same power she had or maybe more powerful than her because her baby was half-samjang & half-SOG
3. Ah Sa-Nyeo
- If ASY choose to sleep in the coffin, does Buja will not be reincarnate?
- If ASY die, does Buja will be reincarnate?
- If ASY left Buja body, she will die or remain as zombie as long as Samjang alive or turn into demon?
4. Mawang
- if he reunite with his son, will he can reunite with his wife too & be a complete family?
- his wife will reincarnate as god/deity/demon?
- his son is powerful because his son is a half-demon & half-deity so basically he is immortal but what that’s mean by immortal?
- can an immortal become old & die?
Still a lot of questions need to be answer but i will stop here. Thanks in advance.
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lemoncello
February 27, 2018 at 12:32 AM
Such hard-hard questions :). I'm curious too. I hope somebody will answer those questions.... :)
By the way, I haven't seen your name in "comment section" in tvN snippet in YouTube. :)
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Terumbukarang
February 27, 2018 at 2:55 AM
I’m addicted with anything started with Hwayugi/korean odyssey/LSG. I need to restrain myself, if not i will lose control & become mad.
P/s: actually currently, i’m head over heels for my bf & we always hangout during TvN upload Hwayugi clips, that’s why i have been missing from comment sections. Hehe
Anyway, nice to know you dear. ❤️
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TLake
February 28, 2018 at 4:47 PM
Since this is based on the Chinese Folktale, I can answer some of your questions from that perspective, no idea about how Korean myths differ.
Question 1) where do fairies & monster go after they died.
Depends on how they died - back to into nothingness if their souls destoryed.
Back into the reincarnation cycle if they're met with regular death, fairies and monsters are still considered mortal.
The one of the benefits of becoming immortal or a god is to escape the pain of the reincarnation cycle, no limit on the number of times you reincarnate that I remember.
Gods - are either destroyed and returned to nothingness, or injured to the point they fall into the mortal realm and undergo mortal (usually as human, sometimes monster) reincarnation until they're able to find their way back to the heavens. In the myths I know the injuries are usually severe enough they don't remember being gods, until their friends from heaven manage to find them and help restore the memories and set them on the path the regaining their god status.
There's a third type of reincarnation for gods and that is punishment, they drink the soup to forget before being toss back into the cycle as a mortal, when their mortal lives ends they return to the underworld their memories are restored then, and they either go through more cycles or return to the heavens depending on if their punishment is done.
And then the forth type, where a god is sent down to fulfilled a specific duty or task (the will of heaven). They're given lives as mortals without memories of being gods, and then placed in situations where they fix whatever was wrong. This isn't a punishment, so the lives aren't meant to be painful and they return to heaven once the tasks is done and the life ends.
Question 2) No idea about SJM and if she had a baby, from the story line I doubt its' a inherited calling. And considering Mawang and Iron Fan's child was so weak that in order to save his life she fed him human souls, there's no way to know if a SJ/SOG child would be as powerful as its' parents.
Question 3) I think ASY needs to actually leave Buja's body for her to free, ASY being there is keeping Buja trapped in the body too. Before ASY took over Buja, Buja was already starting to deteriorate to the point where she would become a demon soon, ASY is stopping the rotting by feeding on humans. That's why Buja asked SOG to burn her while she was still pretty.
Question 4) the Iron Fan Princess was expelled from the heavens for killing and then feeding the souls to her child. Most likely now that her punishment is over she will start normal mortal reincarnations, Mawang expressed a hope that her next life is as a flower instead. One of the concepts for becoming a deity is to balance your karmic debt, which is why Mawang was amassing 'points' or good karma balance out all the bad he's done and gather enough extra to become a deity. Also why he 'lost points' for freeing SOG, he...
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2 JY299
February 26, 2018 at 12:35 AM
That was some episode ending, maybe the Hong sisters were listening to the fans' reactions. Not to be contrarian but anyone else feel that the nasty, angsty episode is near? There are only two episodes left, so the tragedy can't be infinitely postponed. Right now, there are so many possibilities that it's just dumb to speculate so que sera sera LOL
However, there are some things that I would hate to see as a fan in next week's finale:
-Asanyo popping up in the next episode as a fake SJ kissing OG
-MW not finding his kid
-MW not rescuing OG somehow, their bickering bromance needs two to work LOL
-Buja not finding peace and continuing to allow Asanyo to be all evil
Guess I'll channel all that angst and conflicted emotion into making the last two FMVs for Hwayugi T T
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allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 2:29 AM
I'll be trully disappointed if Mawang doesn't help Oh-gong.
This ending is so open I don't know what to expect at all.
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moomincandylalala
February 26, 2018 at 3:40 AM
I am counting on MW! Cos his actions really redeemed himself from his temporary (more than usual) insanity over his son, and the whole ep did answer OG's question - Yes, Mawang does love you that much!
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allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 4:02 AM
Being sucker for love deserves some redemption.
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Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
February 26, 2018 at 4:08 AM
You make FMVs whatttt?
I’ve been looking for some sweet funny ones with really good music but have struggled to find any for Hwayugi. Or even excellent sexy angsty ones! Can you recommend some?
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JY299
February 26, 2018 at 4:46 AM
@mollyp Lol I make FMVs for Hwayugi, they're on my wall and here's the playlist: https://youtu.be/tcQCK9tApNI?list=PLayLzFSdKEZltml4xTRK9o_LBdZiawXUs
Warning, this is my amateur attempts at FMVs, so expectations should be erm like the length of a beansprout 😂
And if you're in SKorea, sorry, most are blocked in SKorea by CJ&E Entertainment because they want to monetize stuff. Shrug, not much I can do there
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allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 5:48 AM
O_O I need to check theeese.
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Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
February 26, 2018 at 8:15 AM
I’m in the UK so no worries! Will be checking them out once I finish work!
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JY299
March 2, 2018 at 2:59 AM
Latest FMV is up, sorry, it's not a great one (my only excuse is I'm planning a nice FMV on the bromance 😂) and is (as usual) blocked in SKorea.
https://youtu.be/TWpU88YHSnU
happy
March 1, 2018 at 4:31 AM
Yeah. he better realize that the peddler's grandson is his own son
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3 TheLove4Dramas
February 26, 2018 at 12:47 AM
Yes! The recap! The slow subs are seriously killing the fans. Thank you!
SOG seems very sure that either he will die or he will survive but JSM won't be in any danger. If only..
Will reply more after I read.
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4 dramaalpaca
February 26, 2018 at 12:54 AM
Sooo.. I'm TOTALLY not trying to be superficial but... Kisses! Bed scene!! More kisses!!
Hong Sisters usually just do nothing but tease. This time though.. it was a kiss and bed scene done right. #lsgoysftw
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5 NP
February 26, 2018 at 12:57 AM
Wow, Oh-gong turned a candy into an actual star. I mean it's cool. Everyone can right? *SNIFF*
"If it's just the cow. it'll be empty". AAAAWWWW Ma wang please just admit you're gonna miss your bickering like a married couple routine you have going on with Oh-gong. Yes, Monkey he does love you.
When the grandma said he Oh-gong didn't need the constraining of the bracelet anymore I was confused like hmm? Then I had the same reaction as girlfriday, and I went OH. OHHH.
It was so refreshing to see actual plot movement this episode, especially with Oh-gong and Sun-mi. (THEY'RE FINALLY DOING MORE THAN KISSING HAHAHA)
That whole scene with Ma-wang and the peddler's grandson I was like UMM Hiii when is this truth coming out??
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twinkletoes
February 26, 2018 at 1:08 AM
When granny said he didn't need the bracelet anymore i was like, "HUWAAT...YESSSSSS!!"....incidentally that was also my reaction when they started making out in the last scene :))
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NP
February 26, 2018 at 1:22 AM
LOL I think we were all confused for a couple of seconds like HUH?? Then it clicked and we were all 😏.
I mean dude Oh-gong's been talking about doing naughty stuff since about episode 3 now and it finally happened.
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twinkletoes
February 26, 2018 at 1:27 AM
I KNOW!!!! I can't wait to see how this scene will progress..I mean it should *progress" right and not like end abruptly with one of them suddenly pulling away or something. If that happens I'd probably throw something at my laptop
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NP
February 26, 2018 at 1:37 AM
Me too >_<
allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 2:40 AM
There's no running away now.
Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
February 26, 2018 at 4:03 AM
Just steam everywhere please
vongole
February 26, 2018 at 5:38 AM
The baby that White Heron brought is not going to make her/himself. So, these two need to be at it!😻
allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 5:52 AM
They might want to wait with this kind of monkey business till the dragon is slayed.
PakalanaPikake
February 26, 2018 at 7:56 PM
@allphryne February 26, 2018 at 5:52 AM
Hehehe. "Monkey business." ;-)
allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 2:39 AM
That's funny. I thought about it breafly like 2 weaks back and then forgot it entirely. So I was more like: "Yup. Wait, what? We knew that it's double effect already. Ohhh!"
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allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 2:40 AM
bleh - *briefly*, of course
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Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
February 26, 2018 at 4:06 AM
Oh Gong fills my requirement of a man-
1. Hot
2. Funny
3. Adorably jealous
4. Wants me to be happy
5. Does everything I want
6. Doesn’t want to eat my flesh
7. Only sees me.
8. All powerful supernatural being
9. Excellent fashion sensibility
10. Turns sweets into stars and vice versa
11. Is a secret chaebol
12. Looks like post- army LSG
BASICALLY HES PERFECT
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twinkletoes
February 26, 2018 at 4:12 AM
Also....has really sexy hands 😏
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Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
February 26, 2018 at 4:15 AM
I’m actually going to be doing s gif set when i try and get over my sadness at the dramamending which will happen. And it will just be his hands. @allphryne and I have been checking out his hands for a few weeks now hahahaha
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twinkletoes
February 26, 2018 at 4:17 AM
sign me up for the sexy hands infatuation! :))
crazyahjummafan
February 26, 2018 at 7:37 AM
And long eye-lashes, a hot bod, nice butts and a cute little dimple next to the left side of his mouth...not necessarily in this order!
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Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
February 26, 2018 at 8:17 AM
Sugar I forgot the bum. He has the nicest bum
allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 5:28 AM
Hot is your first demand. Agreed.
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Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
February 26, 2018 at 5:34 AM
I mean it’s important right? Hahaha
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allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 5:54 AM
I'm not complaining. Hot and funny is my preference.
NP
February 26, 2018 at 8:07 AM
Don't forget that sexy gaze of his.
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Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
February 26, 2018 at 8:17 AM
*drools*
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NP
February 26, 2018 at 8:48 AM
Hold on let me get you a tissue 😝
allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 12:09 PM
Omg, I caught myself drooling with you.
ar_arguably romantic
February 26, 2018 at 3:01 PM
I went from OMG NO WAY!...then to oh wait. that makes sense. why didn't I think of it before?
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6 twinkletoes
February 26, 2018 at 1:01 AM
Thank you for the recap!!
I am so happy JSM didn't "empty" her love without a fight! I can't help but wish that SOG would just tell her the truth already, so maybe then they can find a solution together? It just seems like they'd be so much more powerful if they just pooled their powers together.
Or maybe I'm just desperately hoping for a happy ending, despite the obvious angsty episode. *fingers crossed*
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7 JY299
February 26, 2018 at 1:09 AM
Not that I don't enjoy mind games in terms of plot, but I think I will be really pissed if the writers came up with the evil twist that somehow Sun Mi needs to work with the evil politician in order to let OG live or to revive him, that might explain why the two of them stand together in that Armageddon vision of the future she has? Does anyone else see any other scenario that could see her working with evil guy?
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smileaya12
February 26, 2018 at 3:28 AM
That would be such a dumb , lazy and annoying plot.
Oh gong is already doing that, do we need Sunmi to do that as well?esp after Sunmi scoff at ASN being a bad b*tch for using Buja's body to work with him
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JY299
February 26, 2018 at 4:50 AM
Yes, that's why I'd be pissed if that happened. If somehow the dragon gets OG, Sun Mi has to go to the rescue - please don't let that be the Hong sisters' final twist.
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bluemoon
February 26, 2018 at 3:07 PM
I do hope not. But it would be hilarious if Sun Mi "helped" bring in a dragon and it turned out to be the dragon prince...LOL That would certainly be a twist! Also, on a side note, was the dragon that Mawang encountered could be the prince's dad?
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JY299
February 26, 2018 at 5:47 PM
Doubt it (the dragon MW encountered being Alice's dad), didn't OG say MW was freaked out by the encounter whereas Alice's dad is supposedly a friend?
Lol, I'd forgotten that possible twist angle for Alice and Sun Mi - that's a good one @bluemoon
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bluemoon
February 26, 2018 at 6:06 PM
I always assumed if they encounter stronger foes, they tend to get freaked out or they just run away just like OG avoiding the priestess.
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8 Terumbukarang
February 26, 2018 at 1:10 AM
Heron Lady is a deity, so she can change the destined of human world based on "Because the heron said that it is not the right time for the baby to be born yet, but she make the baby travel to the present time, and also the Heron Lady said don't be like them in the end to SOG"
Heron Lady show that baby to SOG & JSM, because one of them die before that baby was born. If they realise that they gonna have a baby, Heron Lady hope they do something to fight for their love one. How sad if that baby grow up without parent like Samjang. That’s totally sad.
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hazel91
February 26, 2018 at 6:45 AM
THATS WHAT IVE BEEN THINKING SINCE THAT BABY CAME.. even the last scene...its not happy.. its sad.
Its just ever since SOG handed the baby to white heron and the way heron looked at ONLY SOG.. with sadness.. i feel like SOG will die and SJ will live on with her son. yes its sad. and yes my heart is freaking breaking. but lets just hope for a plot twist..
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9 apple
February 26, 2018 at 1:27 AM
Hwayugi: A Korean Bromance Odyssey without Sun Mi as Sam Jang, please.
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smileaya12
February 26, 2018 at 3:24 AM
Nope nope no way
Mawanf is a stupid stubborn bull
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popcornhoney
February 26, 2018 at 3:33 AM
Bromance is cute but Mawang is so ready to betray son Oh Gong anytime for his own gain.
My main attraction is the OTP love story and chemistry anyway
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10 ASYohASY
February 26, 2018 at 2:13 AM
ASY was shocked when she found out the dragon she was going to summon will be evil and she hated being called a demon. Emm how bout just not summoning a dragon and not helping the candidate then?
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vongole
February 26, 2018 at 5:43 AM
Also, what about all the human souls she has been eating!? When did that become ok?
TBH, I do not quite get the status of ‘monsters’ like Mawang, pig, secy Ma etc.? They seem pretty amoral about killing humans and suchlike. But, it’s also apparently not ok.
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Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
February 26, 2018 at 10:44 AM
Fair's fair. Humans are pretty ok with killing cows, pigs and (in some parts of Asia) dogs.
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vongole
February 26, 2018 at 11:26 AM
Yep, fair point!
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Cooler
February 26, 2018 at 6:57 PM
Heavenly beings ("gods") aren't supposed to eat human beings or their souls. Evil monsters/demons don't seem to be constrained by those same rules unless they're trying to become heavenly beings. Eating souls seems to be the distinguishing characteristic between general monsters and demons (evil monsters.)
Regular monsters apparently make do with just feeding on the energy humans produce.
It's been mentioned a number of times that humans own evil actions create the demons that feed on or otherwise try to kill them. I'm guessing that its human sins in general that create the demons and invite them into their lives since some demons were clearly influencing and/or controlling the actions of the humans. That or the Hong sisters are just inconsistent and forget about plot points when they don't work in the story their telling at the moment.
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vongole
February 26, 2018 at 8:32 PM
Thanks! That’s very helpful.
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snows119
February 26, 2018 at 10:17 AM
I knoooow, right? If you don't want to be called evil, then STOP HELPING THE WORST OF ALL HUMANS. But as Girlfriday put it, "I’ll stop asking logical questions now."
Really, the Hong sisters stopped making any sense 10 episodes ago. Which is a shame, because Hwayugi was called to be the next Goblin and fell veeeery short. And that makes me sooo angry! It has it all: a creative love conflict which is not the 120312th love triangle, fantasy rooted in Korean folklore, an epic Bromance, a gloomy but spunky heroine (...at least in the beginning T_T) and adequate world-building. Instead, we got no character development except from SOG and Bu Ja, plot twists without any internal nor external logic followed by no progress at all for some conflicts...
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snows119
February 26, 2018 at 10:30 AM
This way of messing with the audience feelings by going back on previous world-setting is just cheap storytelling which makes the audience stop caring or believing the rest, therefore wasting any drama momentum it had gained.
For example, take Goblin. We knew the premise since the very beginning: the Goblin's bride exists to take out the sword in the Goblin's heart so he can rest at last, and that role has befallen on the heroine. That premise sets the stage for a tragic love and is respected during all the drama, rising the stakes for our main characters, so until the last moments we have no idea if the Goblin can avoid his fate. As a result, you have a beautiful yummy melo.
Then take A Korean Odyssey: with so much twists and turns disrespecting the initial premises, the plot can now go anywhere and I can't believe all that fate nonsense anymore. I'm not engaged anymore, I will grab some popcorn and see what SOG makes up (because Sun Mi is not that capable, thanks Hong sisters...)
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allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 12:19 PM
I understand your complaints but I must be easy. I tend to look for logic when it's reachable and float with the stream when it's not. I don't know enough of the original to even get offended.
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11 kittykatty
February 26, 2018 at 2:16 AM
Okay, I'm saying that this week's two episodes' (ep 17 and 18) story developments are way much slower than the 16th. I love the plot twist in episode 16, cause there were, like, A LOT things to be solved but I didnt see at least half were solved in those last two eps (well at least we know now that SOG has overcome the bracelet's power, and there are some way, or hopes, that he could change the deadly fate between our OTP. It's a big one, though).
And now, we're left with two more episodes, and I'm still hoping to see all the answers or solutions to these questions I have in my mind:
- The actual reason why SOG was punished for 500 years. I mean the They said he was betrayed by someone, but we still dont know who it was or what really happened back then
- The same reason why General Frost and Summer Fairy were punished, so they had to share body day and night
- MW's child (okay, we're half going there so I'm sure we're about to find out about it soon)
- The priestess, will she stay in Bu Ja's body or not? (Huff, I miss the old Bu Ja)
- KDS and all the apocalypse things, JSM, SOG and MW's fight vs the black dragon? (which I think it'll need at least a full episode)
- And obviously, the reasonable ending (hopefully happy) as we want. The answers of the deadly fate, eternal suffer or whatsoever. I still can't predict how it will be, so I'm sooo looking forward to the last two episodes.
These maybe are not so important, but I still want to know about:
- the dragon prince in Alice's body, how long he's going to stay there, and I'm still curious about the "undersea kingdom" he was always talking about
- The previous SamJangs, the reason why only those people were chosen, the sacrifices they had been made, and why is it only JSM that has some kind of gifts (I dont think it's only because the priestess was in her body and left some of her powers)
- The Iron Fan Princess, I kinda hope seeing maybe just a bit of her love story with MW, in the future, as we know her punishments are done
- I still hope to see the real Bu Ja, as the zombie, not the priestess, but maybe it's the best to keep the priestess in her body in order to make the body keep alive. I like the priestess in this episode, perhaps because she's more like Bu Ja, but still!
- What else, hm? I thought a lot but now I kinda forget. For now.
PS. I havent watched the episode and I think I'll be crying with JSM when she was drunk and confessing all her feelings :'(
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kittykatty
February 26, 2018 at 2:25 AM
Oh, right, the baby! For every reason I want to believe that the baby will be SOG's future child, and they will reunited in some time, or the writers were just making fun with us in the previous episode? :D
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twinkletoes
February 26, 2018 at 2:54 AM
YES to future child!!!
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Aprilx
February 26, 2018 at 2:56 AM
How did SJM come to possess the yellow umbrella?
Was her ability to see ghosts part of her calling as SJ?
Why did the bros end up staying in the same house?
Who is the store owner and why did she "harbor" MW' son if that young man is his son?
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Cooler
February 26, 2018 at 6:59 PM
Where's Jonathan?
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PakalanaPikake
February 26, 2018 at 8:17 PM
Either with Waldo, or off making a film somewhere. In the course of researching background for his movie, he learned that the epidemic stopped after Sun-mi was born, and that bit of information was a big breakthrough for her.
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Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
February 26, 2018 at 4:02 AM
I agree with all the questions! I want answers too!
Also I’ll cry with you when subs come out
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ariesgirls
February 26, 2018 at 4:25 AM
I second that! The soul-feeding demon in the previous episode wasn't really necessary, though.
I'm looking forward for all the characters to have their best-absolute ending (whether it's happy or sad, but hopefully happy to to the leads). I hope MW become a God, Partriach get promoted, and SOG can finally taste a glass of wine :D
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allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 5:58 AM
Tasting both Sun-mi and alcohol. Would heavens allow him so many rewards?
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vongole
February 26, 2018 at 5:45 AM
Two episodes seem woefully inadequate to cover all these questions. I wonder if there will be a last minute extension. It’d be annoying if they do no tie up all these loose ends.
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kittykatty
February 26, 2018 at 7:39 AM
I know right!! A full of special episode would be better, though. Hopefully...
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ar_arguably romantic
February 26, 2018 at 3:09 PM
Since they're on TVN, they could technically have 1.5 hr episodes for the last 2 episodes, so there is some flexibility there! I would be a little annoyed if they do extend since they've had 20 episodes (and long beginning episodes) to tell the story.
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delphy
February 26, 2018 at 6:30 AM
Totally agree! Wish they spent some time on the backstory instead of the apocalypse plot
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TheOneAndOnly
March 1, 2018 at 12:32 AM
In addition to the conclusion of the main plots with OTP v/s the dragon and Mawang’s family, I really want to know about Son Oh Gong’s punishment and betrayal as well as what led to Summer Fairy and Frosty sharing a body. Sadly, I kind of get the feeling that we are not going to get an answer for the latter. :/
I hope the loose ends are tied well. I wonder how they are going to pack so much into only two episodes.
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12 ohmydramagods 🙏🏻
February 26, 2018 at 2:44 AM
The kiss was hot and all, but I’m still scared for this two. Her, saying “I love you” repeatedly felt like a goodbye of some sort because she went there to “empty” herself for her to do her job as Sam Jang properly. And then, here’s Oh-gong choosing not to tell her that he has taken the bracelet off and that he’s truly madly in love with her because he’s scared that he might die and leave her heartbroken (wtf?). As girlfriday stated, whether she knows he loves her for real or not, she’s still going to be devastated of his death so why can’t he just tell her already? Ughh, this is really frustrating. And what if she’s really the one who dies? He will surely regret not telling her.
Also, how big is that yellow chandelier in Oh-gong’s penthouse? Haha I can’t stop staring at it (well, that's a lie. I stopped staring at it that moment they made out 'cause PRIORITIES 😏). And pfft, interior design? Sure, just keep telling yourself that you don’t love the monkey, Ma-wang. 🙄
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allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 3:46 AM
I didn't take her repeated confession as goodbye. It really felt like pouring. It's poetic but so nonsensical. How can you rid yourself of your love if you express it fully?
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popcornhoney
February 26, 2018 at 3:55 AM
Yes a goodbye confession wouldn't be like that.
Her desperation to pour out all her frustrations and love for him is so real in that scene...
Kudos to both of them.
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Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
February 26, 2018 at 4:00 AM
Girl, you’re so right! You’re always so good and picking out another point of view and I love it
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allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 4:59 AM
I'll blush.
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twinkletoes
February 26, 2018 at 4:08 AM
Ok this last sentence almost made me cry SO SPOT ON
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Sunflower
February 26, 2018 at 4:27 AM
Agree! I think she had been afraid of her own feelings for SOG and had been trying not to fall too deep. She most probably wanted to freely confess she loves him a thousand times all the while but held back. So when SOG told her they might never see each other again, her despair is understandable and she poured out all that feelings she has held back.
On a side note, i love seunggi’s expression when JSM said the 1st ‘i love you’. There was a very slight and non-exaggerated change in his facial expression which i thought was suitably subtle and touching.
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allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 5:19 AM
So this is how my thought might have sounded if articullated well 👍
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Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
February 26, 2018 at 8:18 AM
He is so talented. I’m obsessed. He’s always been really good at crying just the right amount where it feels like a stab in the heart
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allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 9:38 AM
I so enjoy your fangirling. Mostly because I don't have to say it (not that it's shameful, I'm just shy).
ohmydramagods 🙏🏻
February 26, 2018 at 5:05 AM
That’s actually great point. When I watched the scene, all I thought about was her ‘emptying’ her heart out but as you said, it’s more of ‘pouring’. I guess I’m just a glass half empty kind of person 👍🏻
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crazyahjummafan
February 26, 2018 at 7:46 AM
I think that Oh Gong wants her to doubt his love, if he dies, so that it'll be easier for her to move on. If she knows for sure, 100% that he genuinely loves her, it'll be harder to move on? If she thinks that he loves her only because of the GGG, then she could reason that she shouldn't be wasting her time pining after someone who doesn't really love her and move on.
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Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
February 26, 2018 at 8:19 AM
Yeah! Really good point
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13 limechilli
February 26, 2018 at 2:51 AM
I must say, the Hong sisters DO love "stars" in their mythology! *watches another episode of You're Beautiful whilst waiting for the next ep*
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twinkletoes
February 26, 2018 at 2:55 AM
As a relative newbie in the kdrama business, I'd love some feedback on You're beautiful and My Girlfriend is a Gumiho...are these dramas worth watching while I wait for the last 2 eps?
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kimchiaddict
February 26, 2018 at 3:31 AM
yes. Those are worth watching! fully reccomended. try to watch "my master's sun", its by hong sister as well. one of my fav kdrama!
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twinkletoes
February 26, 2018 at 3:43 AM
Ok great! so now i have those three lined up! thank you!! :)
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Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
February 26, 2018 at 3:59 AM
Im so jealous that this will be your first time watching them! Yes absolutely watch them! Check out Best Love and My girl and Delightful girl Chunhyang after those 2.
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twinkletoes
February 26, 2018 at 4:10 AM
Ok now I'm getting so excited!!! When will this day end already?!! Its only 3PM where i am!
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Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
February 26, 2018 at 4:16 AM
It’s 12.15 pm here ughhhh
ar_arguably romantic
February 26, 2018 at 3:15 PM
I think so! I thoroughly enjoyed both dramas. If you're into reverse harems and manga, I would go for You're Beautiful first. Jang Geun Seok is magnetic in it! Lee Seung Gi is also in MGIAG, so you may not want to mix pairings. Just like how LSG stole the show here, I think Shin Mina stole the show in MGIAG. I sort of wish we could have Shin Mina's gumiho character how up in this drama and try to have Mawang for food since she loved cow/beef so much.
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limechilli
February 26, 2018 at 11:21 PM
Those 2 are two of my favourites ever! Add on Master's Sun and you have the best 3 Hong Sister Dramas IMHO!
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twinkletoes
February 27, 2018 at 12:56 AM
GREAT!!!! Thank you all and I can't wait!!!
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14 siesta
February 26, 2018 at 3:02 AM
so now we know where the baby came from (hint: not a stork!)
whoa dem kisses left me all tingly in places i didn't even know can tingle. good job you two. good job. idec about the plot at this point, just gimme a truckload of those kisses for the next 2 episodes and i'd be happy as a clam <3
OYS is so damn pretty. like REALLY pretty. just to get that out there.
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Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
February 26, 2018 at 3:58 AM
She is genuinely beautiful, not like trendy pretty, like timeless beautiful
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allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 6:26 AM
Back in the day someone noted that Sun-mi gets more beautiful the more Oh-gong likes her. I like the idea. So now she is this gorgeous.
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Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
February 26, 2018 at 9:34 AM
Yes!!!! It’s an excellent way to emphasises her blossoming in his love
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15 siesta
February 26, 2018 at 3:12 AM
someone over at soompi said that in the original JTTW story, a demon can gain power through eating the flesh f the monk or having sex with him. mwahaha i hope we get a hilarious morning after with SOG suddenly getting his powers upgraded! xD
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twinkletoes
February 26, 2018 at 3:23 AM
OMG. YES. Best plot twist EVARRRRRR.
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allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 3:54 AM
What an unexpected plot. The possibilities 😄
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Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
February 26, 2018 at 3:57 AM
Who/ what do I need to sacrifice to make this happen?
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ohmydramagods 🙏🏻
February 26, 2018 at 5:53 AM
Oh, the after sex morning glow lol. In this case, it’s probably more of morning ‘boost’.
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allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 6:30 AM
Are they both getting boosted or is one of them gettin drained? Judging for the way Oh-gong kissed Sun-mi, she might get swallowed.
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ohmydramagods 🙏🏻
February 26, 2018 at 6:43 AM
Well, maybe he gets the boost and she gets the glow? lol
And she didn’t mind him wanting to eat her so she most definitely wouldn’t mind getting drained and swallowed 😏
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allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 7:40 AM
But she will want more.
Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
February 26, 2018 at 8:24 AM
Or eaten 😂
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allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 9:08 AM
Well, eaten up.
egads
February 26, 2018 at 9:15 AM
The double entendre of this has made me laugh/blush/squirm every time. Add LSG eyes when he says it....well....uh....yeah.
Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
February 26, 2018 at 9:34 AM
I totally meant it in the inappropriate way.
allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 9:41 AM
We know😎
crazyahjummafan
February 27, 2018 at 4:25 AM
There's more than one way to 'eat' a girl up! *wink*
Frankly, that thought came to my mind the first time Oh Gong said that he loves her but wants to eat her too.
delphy
February 26, 2018 at 6:35 AM
Pwahahaha! That would be epic! Love triumphs all evil!
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allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 7:41 AM
*cough*Love?*cough*
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Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
February 26, 2018 at 8:26 AM
Nah, just raw sexual attraction and a really good first time- because she’s ever had a boyfriend right? Shit her first time will be with a very old, experienced, sexy demigod 😱😱😱. Poor/ lucky thing
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allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 9:14 AM
Do we have same thoughts because we share the same time zone? But you're much more specific, heh.
Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
February 26, 2018 at 9:58 AM
Omg we share the same time zone? Whatttttt! Nah it’s because we are incredible people that’s why
Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
February 26, 2018 at 10:00 AM
@allphryne more specific because I’m probably older (not by too much I hope) and care less about being a little vulgar hahaha
allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 10:26 AM
Nope, i'm an idiot. I'm +1 from you.
delphy
February 26, 2018 at 3:50 PM
Lol!! I guess @allphryne and @mollyp wants to be very very specific here. Not that i’d complain!
crazyahjummafan
February 27, 2018 at 4:28 AM
He's a kind of god, right? So I guess he's not limited by human constraints...if you get my drift.
Then I guess it's lucky Sunmi? She'll definitely be the drained one.
kbaswithneko
February 27, 2018 at 2:19 PM
Isn’t “eat you up” an actual slang term in Korean for pouncing on someone with lascivious intent? I know it has been translated as such in other dramas.
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16 smileaya12
February 26, 2018 at 3:21 AM
Sunmi is a badass in this episode. From confronting ASN and Kang Dae Sung to confessing her feelings for Oh Gong.
And oh Best Chemistry alert
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17 emyriena
February 26, 2018 at 3:34 AM
Finally! We now know that the love is real and overflowing (well with non-stop kisses and all). This episode is providing us all the answers but I still wonder if the boy is Mawang’s son.
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18 greentealatte
February 26, 2018 at 3:48 AM
there's only 2 eps left and hopefully things will be resolved nicely, finally SOG & JSM are together again, ep 17 felt dry without them together
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19 Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
February 26, 2018 at 3:56 AM
Things I love this episode
1. OG prioritising dramas over the big bad. And the way CEO Sa waves at big bad, likes he’s a gangster hahaha
2. MW sizing up against a dragon? The visual is outstanding hahahah
3. OG hoping his love will remain 😢
4. Hot adorable cheeky monkey also makes stars for the girl he loves. Sign me the fuck up. Also I’m dead at how cute this is
5. SM confessing how she didn’t mind him following her around and wanting to eat her etc because he was handsome is literally me. I miss hot angry murdery monkey. Also this scene is heartbreaking and beautiful
6. MW missing OG is everything. His reasoning in saving him is the most MW thought process ever
7. MW and secretary Mas scene is incredible and he should always wear the circlet. I love how she can’t disobey him even hypothetically
8. Please let MW be in love with OG. Pleaseeeeeee
9. I love SM growing ability and confidence, after her life, she deserves it!
10. I’m so proud of SM being proactive and not being the little girl who needs protecting anymore
11. Horny priestess is growing on me especially because she seems so sad and wanting love and acceptance. Hopefully Bu Jas influence will save the day
12. Jealous SM is everything! I love how OG listens to her commands and does anything to appease her
13. OG admitting that he filled her with love is so poignant, especially because in ep 2 SM tells him she has no one and he became all those things for her- a friend, a lover and family.
14. Where has store granny been for the last few eps? You’ve stuck us with bloody patriarch who is useless, we could’ve used hisnwise woman who is on OG and SMs side and gives them bloody choices!
15. OG still loving her when the GGG is off is all I wanted from life, 6 episodes ago so we could be over the angst and be enjoying all sexy cute couple things urghhh
16. MW is right- since ep8 OG has been different and treated SM differently and more affectionately. I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed
17. Like is said many times before, OGs noble idiocy is necessary and actually very noble, because it’s a true life and death situation which is why he’s allowing himself to feel pain to protect SM.
18. SMs confession was everything. I can’t reiterate how proud I am of my girl demanding what she wants from life. It’s also the first time she’s told him she loves him, which actually broke him because he now knows he definitely loves her too. I love how much it shook him to his core, and I love all the forth and maturity our monkey has gone through. I’m so happy and interestingly, my heart is fuller too now.
19. Also LSG really really really knows how to kiss. I wonder if he practiced a lot in the army? Now all I want from life is one LSG kiss and I can die happy.
Drama, don’t fuck this up. Let it be a happy beautiful ending. You’re almost in my top 10. Don’t ruin this for the both of us.
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twinkletoes
February 26, 2018 at 4:15 AM
I cannot agree more with this!! I also love how SM is really manning up and not taking everything sitting down. Hopefully this is a sign of how much they'll both be willing to fight it out til the end.
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Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
February 26, 2018 at 4:17 AM
I just wish it was a lot earlier because OYS has received a lot of flack for no reason, she a brilliant actress, she just been doing what’s been written for her and I actually really like SM. I think she’s a amazing and acts brilliantly in her situation.
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Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
February 26, 2018 at 8:33 AM
Omg just read my comment and I am appallled at my grammar! Never type while you are in a hurry, people!
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egads
February 26, 2018 at 8:36 AM
I would send DB some cash for an edit button.
allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 9:19 AM
I should not chat at work but then there would be no fun left to my life.
Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
February 26, 2018 at 9:32 AM
You can edit posts, but then pics etc get deleted, which I found out the hard way. I was actually on my way to a meeting and I was like I must post this before I forget!
allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 9:50 AM
Well, at least you won't forget it.
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twinkletoes
February 27, 2018 at 1:00 AM
I totally agree..there could've been so much room for character growth!
@allphryne i shouldn't be doing this at work either and thats why I have like ten different tabs open in case my boss walks by :))
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greenelephant
February 26, 2018 at 5:45 AM
no.19! LSG on screen kissing technique is improving trough the roof! I've seen his kissing scenes before but, this one just wow! wow I tell you.. its not those lips touch kiss, nor overly rough kiss scene. its perfect.
is it his pent up energy post army? even in Master's house he's been wondering when will he be able to kiss again?
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allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 7:32 AM
I just adore it when the guy looks like a hungry wolf when kissing the girl. And I've been waiting for this kiss from LSG. Finally delivered💥
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Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
February 26, 2018 at 8:28 AM
I just love a good kiss which you feel in your toes, and that’s what he delivered. I mean I can’t imagine how OYS feels! Lucky
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Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
February 26, 2018 at 8:27 AM
Omo that might be it! I have said this before and I’ll say it again- I volunteer as tribute!
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egads
February 26, 2018 at 8:36 AM
I think there is a line.
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Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
February 26, 2018 at 9:37 AM
I will fight you all. But I still love you. But a girls gotta eat and if LSG is the award, I’m gonna win
allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 9:53 AM
I'm in no hurry if I can follow and observe my eye candy.
kbaswithneko
February 27, 2018 at 2:32 PM
They were good kisses because he had an equally enthusiastic partner. I think it takes two actors comfortable enough with the physical choreography and confident enough to continue in character to make on screen magic happen. We have all seen the fails. One person can’t strike that match all by himself!
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allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 7:28 AM
#18 You're right. It's silly how proud I get when my drama characters show growth. And this time my heart grew too.
#1 How can a man in his 60' look like a teenager attempt to be hardass? That is just cute.
#19 Practiced in the army? 😨
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crazyahjummafan
February 26, 2018 at 7:54 AM
#19 - I asked the same question! Hahahaha! maybe when he was parachuting or during his arm to arm combat training or during the long march in the dead of winter!
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Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
February 26, 2018 at 8:30 AM
Hey he’s pretty, even guys would want a piece of that action ahhahaha.
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allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 8:55 AM
My mind is a cesspool, obviously.
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Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
February 26, 2018 at 9:35 AM
Let’s wade in it together girl
Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
February 26, 2018 at 8:31 AM
I mean CEO Sa is just the cutest I adore him so much. Cutie pie!
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bluekitchen
February 26, 2018 at 11:20 AM
YES to everything. And re #14, Granny was working and getting shit done, while Patriarch was sitting around and blaming everyone (SO like a man 😅).
If this drama doesnt end with a happy ending and a hot kiss I am going to be epically pissed and have an apocalypse of my own.
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allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 11:45 AM
He's a herald, all he can do is rattle.
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Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
February 26, 2018 at 11:58 AM
Love the bit about- so like a man! Hahahahah yes! Women get shut done. I mean who does all of MWs work? Secretary Ma. Who is actually a CEO and runs a business? SM. Who actually forwarded the story by trying to summon a dragon? The priestess. Who made the first actual real confession? SM. Who is being proactive and moving the retaliation to the apocalypse along? Granny!
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PakalanaPikake
February 26, 2018 at 8:30 PM
Just to be fair, I have to mention that CEO Sa and Han-joo keep the home fires burning at the Bullpen and Sun-mi's office, respectively. ;-)
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Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
February 26, 2018 at 10:34 PM
I adore them so much ❤️❤️❤️
TheOneAndOnly
March 1, 2018 at 12:54 AM
While I agree with everything else, I wish Seon Mi had said she didn’t mind Oh Gong following her around because upto that point in her life, everyone literally ran away from her.
I am so happy she’s being proactive and digging on her own now even though Oh Gong isn’t letting her in on things.
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20 moomincandylalala
February 26, 2018 at 3:57 AM
I really love how the Hong Sis use the buddist ideology behind the GGG... if you dont see something as a restraint, it can no longer restrain you, and you are free to do anything. That convo summaried well OG's character growth. I replayed that moment of OG taking it off like 10x!!
Did anyone notice that when OG n JSM were talking outside the 100 anniversary banquet there was a sculpture of a couple w a child behind them? Please let this be a foreshadowing of the happy ending we want!
Ps.. PK please stop being idiotic! As least his powers are sealed now so he can't do great damage, right?
Thx GF for the speedy recap as usual!
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Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
February 26, 2018 at 4:18 AM
I love the Buddhist part of this comment. So beautiful!
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allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 7:49 AM
Idiots can always do great damage.
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21 lezah
February 26, 2018 at 4:08 AM
“Didn’t mind when he was chasing her to eat her because he was so handsome”
You and all of us, girl. Seriously though this brings to mind some bad double standards. 😂
I am so glad that Sun-mi took some initiative to tear into Og about their relationship. Boy, you could just see OG’s composure crack when they zoomed in on his face.
I wasn’t expecting such a long kiss scene so I’ll say I am very pleasantly surprised. ((:
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Kasey J.
February 26, 2018 at 6:49 AM
Omg that moment when she said the first I love you and his face. T_T
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22 tina
February 26, 2018 at 4:39 AM
OMG... I can’t wait for next recap... am glad they are letting their heart flows. Am so excited.
PK is just as confused as as the word CONFUSE. Pfft!
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23 JustMe
February 26, 2018 at 5:03 AM
Can someone explain me these plot holes? Otherwise I can't take this show seriously? Why can't Oh Gong discuss his feelings to SunMi? why do they have to WAIT to summon the dragon to defeat it? Just get rid of the summoners (aka Priestess and Politician dude). I know Oh Gong wants to let her live and whatnot, but even he's not giving her a chance: as in, why can't you discuss ANYTHING with her??
Side note: PRETTY SURE, as I've commented before, the heron baby is Oh Gong and Sun Mi's. And with the rate this show is going, (hopefully not), next week's «showdown» will be a let down.
I was SUPER excited to watch every episode up till like 10, and the show went in circles from then on. I don't find our heroine weak, it's just the other characters make her out as weak person. If I were Sun Mi, I'd get pissed (like discuss this with me y'all I'm saving yo asses for crying out loud)
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dramaalpaca
February 26, 2018 at 5:42 AM
I don't think it's a plot hole but I agree that it is aggravating that no one ever tells JSM anything straight even when she asks them point blank. If you watch ep 18 in particular, SOG and OJ mentioned that even if they get rid of KDS, the evilness in humans would just raise another KDS. So this doomsday is inevitable. If you kill the summoners, it'll just be a matter of time before another set come to the fore.
It's not fleshed out well in the storytelling but throughout the drama, the common theme is that humans cause their own suffering and bring about their own evil. Then there's all this stuff about fate- JSM will still have to face her fate but can the love that she and SOG now share change it? (Don't ask me why the previous pair of Samjang and the White Heron couldn't change their fate, given than they also loved each other.. but I guess SOG has gotten fair warning from the White Heron whereas she didn't know that this would be the outcome?)
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allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 7:55 AM
Good news, everyone! Humankind has powers!
Bad news: they're dark. 😫😨😭
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ar_arguably romantic
February 26, 2018 at 3:41 PM
The hiding stuff from your partner stuff is typical kdrama stuff....but the ASN and dragon thing is really confusing me. Why ASN needs to or wants to summon a dragon in the first place. It's not like she's attached to Kang Dae Sung. And ASN's gotten a lot of second chances from our heroes. There is a lot of good setup - the ASN who makes kings (lots of non-supernatural kingmakers in this world who empower corrupt people). You've got KDG - the well-respected professor who is going into politics but is actually a bad guy. You've got the awesome theme of tying bad supernatural happenings to human weaknesses and immorality. I think some truly meaningful commentary can be made using all of this, but I think the writing lost the thread somewhere in tying everything coherently. It would be nice if we could kill off the summoners to buy some extra time and develop backup plans B through Z. ;)
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siesta
February 26, 2018 at 5:43 AM
" Just get rid of the summoners (aka Priestess and Politician dude)"
because they can fill so much more airtime sitting around talking about burning buja/priestess instead of actually burning her lol
i think they need to carry out their fates if a. Sunmi is to finish being a samjang and b.OG finally free of GGG
shaman & KDS are merely the messengers
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ohmydramagods 🙏🏻
February 26, 2018 at 5:47 AM
I know! We’re down to the last 2 hours and OTP is still not communicating properly, ughhh. I’ll try to answer your first 2 questions though
1) I guess it’s because he loves her and treats her like a porcelain vase? He doesn’t want to bother and worry her about this black dragon, evil humans mumbo-jumbo, which is swoony but so SOOO dumb.
2)I actually asked the same question myself. And from what I understand from this ep, yes, they can just kill the politician and the priestess. However, as long as there is another human out there that is evil enough, the dragon can and will still be summoned. Sam Jang won’t still be safe. So Oh-gong’s plan is to let the Asanyeo and the politician do their plan, and kill the dragon before it gets to Sun-mi.
Sun-mi’s life is really frustating. When I started watching the show, I expected these demons to love her and rally behind her in the end because she’s so much more than the weak human they still see her to be. For crying out loud, she’s Sam Jang! Aside from Oh-gong, no one’s really on her side. For example: Ma-wang wanted to help, not because he wanted to save Sun-mi (who’s nothing but a saint to him), but to save Oh-gong. I have no qualms about saving Oh-gong, but could he maybe care for Sun-mi too? I mean she just helped him with his wife’s reincarnation and all.
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sunflower
February 26, 2018 at 7:16 AM
In 1 of the early eps, JSM asked SOG what he was being punished for to have caused him to be locked up for 500yrs. His reply was "it's nothing that you as a human should be concerned with". I think that sums up the condescending attitudes of all the others towards her.
Before ASN took her soul, JSM has no power. The only special thing about her is that her blood is attractive to monsters and demons and to those guys, I don't think they even consider that as 'power'. Throughout the drama, all these demons/monsters were selfish in the pursuit of their own agendas. JSM, as a human, was just a tool that they can tap on if required but they don't really care about her. It's almost like they consider her subpar to their species. And that is also why nobody truly believes that SOG will still love her after the GGG comes off. It's like falling in love with a human is unthinkable to them.
But JSM being Sam Jang, is always forgiving and tries her best to help. It could also be that throughout her life, she has been lonely and so, suddenly she feels happy that she is 'needed'. I feel sad for her and like what many of you have said, give her a break and let her have a happy ending already!
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popcornhoney
February 26, 2018 at 4:31 PM
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Sunmi is the most pitiful female lead i've ever watched
No demons or humans who appreciate her kindness and willingness to protect and help them no matter what
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hazel91
February 26, 2018 at 8:45 AM
"Why can't Oh Gong discuss his feelings to SunMi? "
He thought it would hurt her more if she knew that his feelings were sincere in case he died and she was left alone.. remember this was before Sunmi properly confessed to him.. faulty logic of his i know..
"Just get rid of the summoners (aka Priestess and Politician dude)." Wont make much of a difference ... as SOG and CEO Sa observed..some one else will take KDSs place... and this is the disaster the world is gonna face so think of it as something inevitable..thats what has been established in the drama
"why can't you discuss ANYTHING with her??" Because he is a noble idiot.. he should be smacked hard on the head..it is really frustrating to watch him do this.. Im glad Sun mi is finally speaking up and taking actions.. and yes those demons.. even MW.. especially MW.. SJ did him a HUGE favor..and look at that ungrateful idiot..ugh
Ill repeat myself again..why am i only seeing sad end with this baby business.. maybe SOG dies and heron brought his son to meet him..*sob*
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JustMe
February 26, 2018 at 12:29 PM
Thank you!! It's probably not on purpose but your name is «....» and you responded a lot with «...» hahaha. I get your answers I really do, it just seems like convenient cheap explanations that I dont buy into. (Don't get me wrong I'm criticizing, But I'm still watching this show and I commend all the actors for their brilliant performances!)
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hazel91
February 27, 2018 at 8:55 AM
hahaha... i do tend to write a lot of "...." and honestly when it came to choose a name i got so lazy that i automatically wrote "....".. anyways i would like to qoute girlfriday " ill stop asing logical questions now".. as a YA reader i need proper explanation but this show is not providing any so im just convincing myself to buy these crappy explanations.... and i agree the acting is just amaazing!!
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Mjon
February 26, 2018 at 6:07 PM
I keep rethinking about all of your questions and try to match it with some clues given by others here.
1. SOG is hiding his master plan and real feelings to SJ becaude he knows she is willing to die to protect him. You remember she let herself imprison into the coffin to avoid the death bell fate? After they met the doctor Heron, SJ told him in the bar if one die and one has to live, the survivor will be way too sad and keep counting on the remaining days, that makes SOG remember of the Heron suicide. And then she cries telling him how can she lives a normal life without seeing him after GGG is put off, that reminds SOG again of the Heron suicide. He knows SJ has 99% chance of doing the same act than the Heron, so he keeps hiding his actions and true feelings. You can say he acts by Noble idiocy but he knows if he is telling her she will be the stupid one going alone to sacrifice herself to save him and her power is still weak comparing to him. And if she goes alone then she will be possessed and then he has to kill her. With all that, I understand he keeps his mouth shut, it's very much frustrating to us but considering whats happened before, yeah I understand him.
2. They cannot kill the black dragon, KDS and Asanyo. My guess is that the dragon laying under the lake is like a dormant stone, how to kill if the evil spirit is not inside this stone corpse yet? Killing KDS/ADN is useless, others will take their place to do the deed. From what I see, the dragon under the lake is in adult stage, I guess he grows by absorbing all the evils humans for centuries and only waiting some shenanigans to summon its spirit. Therefore if not ASN, there are others evils spirits/shamans willing to wake him up. SOG is smart and wicked, he guessed it and goes into action by officially mixing up with humans to speed up the process.
As for the baby, I'm not sure it's the OTP child, rather think of it as SOG reincarnation when they met the HERON. Before they met the Heron, our heroes were heading to their fate, not knowing whats on for them and still no sex scene. Only after meeting the Heron and got warned that SOG goes crazy ans start to rebel against heavens because of their lies and set motions to defeat the death bells. Up to that turning point, he was just as he said watching TV and following SJ. Now holding one of the potential ending, he is fighting to change their fate.
I agreed with all of you, I still don't know the Dragocto/Octodra prince role in this drama ... And sane questions about the peddler grandson too, outside being MW/PIR child, what is his purpose?
As for PK, I think he is the trigger to keep ASN the few good she has. He is the only she warmed to, remember her face when MW said he will punish the one helping her? She tried to deny it but she truly cares for PK, I think she will protect him if he goes crazy trying to kill KDS. Or she will give up on being a bad priestess when PK will confront her.
Between, I'm still sad...
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JustMe
February 26, 2018 at 7:41 PM
Interesting theory for the baby, but I desperately hope it's wrong. I don't want SOG to die!!
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24 Tabby
February 26, 2018 at 5:19 AM
Thank you for an awesome recap as always!!! :D OMG love your insights!
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25 Loveydovey
February 26, 2018 at 5:40 AM
Finally!!!! It only took 18 episodes to take that dang bracelet off! I can't wait to watch with subs. Also totally agree about the pig. I don't know what the point of his character is. Or why they continued to keep him as part of the gang. he is so annoying always screwing everyone over.
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vongole
February 27, 2018 at 6:24 AM
It's not complete off yet though :P
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26 I NEED PARK BOGUM NEW DRAMA
February 26, 2018 at 6:12 AM
A brave guess: Shopkeeper's grandson is mawang's son
Shoutout to Jung Jaewon!!
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Lee Seung Gi will marry me
February 26, 2018 at 7:30 AM
OMG I feel the same! I feel like it will be too rushed to introduce a whole new character! Betting my money that he is Mawang's son!
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27 stpauligurl
February 26, 2018 at 6:50 AM
Thanks for the FAST recap!
I think what will happen is their love for each other will save the world!
There is no other reason for them to be together right?
Love this show!
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28 fgb4877
February 26, 2018 at 6:51 AM
"Oh-gong knows better and expects for Kang’s supporters to show their true colors, calling them a rock to bring the world into darkness, a bell to spread lies throughout the world, and a sword that swings in the wrong direction".
Now THIS is a smart observation. Of course there will always be a hardcore group in any discussion/faction, but the inability to face (even bear) reality even if it is blatant or to have a nihilist view (it doesn't matter) is a danger we must actively avoid.
On the other hand, I kind of love all the rejection that characters inflict upon Priestess. It must be hard to have Buja's loving memories and contrast them with all this mistreatment... Oh well, she deserve it.
In Venezuela we have a Joropo (traditional music from the Llanos, the Plains) called "El Zamuro y el avión" (The Vulture and the Airplane). It is about an airplane that curses a vulture because of his stench, telling him to get out of his way.
The vulture, offended, simply states that he is a part of nature and has to fullfil his sad role but he doesn't actively harm other beings. The airplane, on the other part, is a big criminal that has killed people inside him (in crashes) and outside him (as warplanes), so he only can land in very particular places designed for him, and everything about him is artificial and lifeless. The vulture can roam freely instead and the world is his home.
Cheers!!!
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29 delphy
February 26, 2018 at 6:52 AM
Gosh remember when SOG commented SM two or three episodes ago that she’s nv told him that she loved him? This must be SM’s confession episode to payback for all the saranghanika he said. And our OG is totally defenseless against her confession. Just give up being the noble idiot already!
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30 Kasey J.
February 26, 2018 at 6:52 AM
Me watching episode 17: Okay cool so we barely get time with the main couple...sigh.
Me watching episode 18: OMG. WHAT? WHAT! *replays the last few minutes 100x*
I had a feeling the GGG might be useless/OG could take it off. Because if his feelings were real, then the GGG is essentially useless to have on him if he's going to protect and care for Sun Mi anyway. Although seriously missed opportunity to tell her the truth! She's been going through this whole ordeal thinking the second that GGG is off, all of his feelings are going to disappear.
Just two episodes left....come on Hong sisters give us a determined to change fates power couple and have them both save the world and wreak a little chaos for Heaven!
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allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 8:09 AM
I bet that that is what most of us did😀
Writers just hyped her to give the confession her all. In this case I don't mind that much.
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31 liquidsoap but too sleepy to remember her password
February 26, 2018 at 7:33 AM
"Sun-mi admits that she didn’t hate it even when he was chasing her to eat her because he was so handsome" I hurt my eyes by rolling them too abruptly wtf
I really liked this episode! I mean I only read the recaps but the way they solved the bracelet problem was smart and satisfying.
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siesta
February 26, 2018 at 5:47 PM
"I hurt my eyes by rolling them too abruptly wtf"
let's be honest here, i bet most people would feel flattered when someone they consider as attractive pays attention to them, at first anyway, before rationale and the creep factor takes over. we humans are vain creatures by nature, we tend to like and care for things we find attractive. why do you think the "oppar didn't mean it" mindset are so prevalent in fandoms? so i find her admission refreshingly honest instead
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32 bunny
February 26, 2018 at 7:51 AM
It is funny how I keep thinking of the other dragon whenever the word 'dragon' (as in king/ruler) popped out. The other dragon, namely the disoriented dragon prince that now resides in Alice's body. I mean, Hong Sisters must have kept him/her there for a purpose...right?
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
February 26, 2018 at 9:22 AM
You and I think the same. The same, man.
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tsutsuloo
February 26, 2018 at 9:41 AM
I think Alice is occupied by an octopus prince. We first saw him at the fresh market, waiting to be sold ...
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PakalanaPikake
February 26, 2018 at 12:10 PM
IIRC, when Dragon Prince got kicked out of the palace for raising too much cain, he took on the form of an octopus, and was caught and taken to a fishmarket. CEO Sa heard him calling for help and "ransomed" him so he wouldn't end up as sashimi. He escaped his guest room/aquarium at Mawang's and jumped into Alice's body when she was visiting. I still think of him as Octo-Prince because we've never seen him in his dragon form. -- Dang I just got an image of Prince Jade Dragon as a giant octopus battling it out with the black dragon of human evil -- but knowing all the vulnerable parts to attack. I like this scenario. Hehehe.
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tsutsuloo
February 26, 2018 at 10:03 AM
Or is "octopus" just what makes sense for humans when she/he is actually a dragon?
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bunny
February 26, 2018 at 7:09 PM
I think the writer also use octopus because it is funnier than dragon. Come on, we have pig, cow (bull, actually), and also octopus. The only one not ending up on someone's plate is monkey. Not sure what is Sa Oh Jeong though...haha. I honestly forgot.
But that octopus is actually a dragon. In original journey to the west, it was also mentioned that the gang include a dragon which took form as a white horse.
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33 sue
February 26, 2018 at 8:48 AM
ABOUT DAMN TIME !!!!
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34 confused
February 26, 2018 at 9:14 AM
Question: to stop Doomsday, why don't they just kill the preistess? Then the dragon wouldn't be summoned right?
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vongole
February 27, 2018 at 6:18 AM
Apparently, they are all means. Human beings have created this evil dragon (as represented also in all the support that KDS got in spite of his misdeeds), and it will come up to destroy everything one way or the other.
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35 PeepsLeAwesomePotato
February 26, 2018 at 9:21 AM
Is Alice-dragon going to talk to his sad lonely spiteful uncle black-dragon and get him to back down? I mean, there must be a reason we have a random Dragon Prince running around on land with new-found boobs that he can't handle!
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36 PakalanaPikake
February 26, 2018 at 9:53 AM
Thank you for your recap and comments, GirlFriday!
Now we're cooking with gas! I'm still awaiting subtitles after watching it raw, but am looking forward to the developments in this episode.
The "star candy" bit was great. I couldn't figure out what it was that Oh-gong tossed into the heavens as a star. Well done, Show! And now I can't get BISCUIT TEACHER AND STAR CANDY out of my mind. Come to think of it, there's quite a parallel between the two bad boy heroes transformed by love of and for their respective ladies. ;-)
Hmmm. Now that so many secrets are out in the open, I'm feeling a lot more optimistic that Oh-gong won't have to go the lone hero route, but may actually team up with Sun-mi to vanquish the dragon forged of human evil. If she is indeed growing in strength as Monkey observed from the increasing intensity of her lotus scent, that ought to make them an invincible duo. Would General Store Grandma lie about his change of heart altering the future foretold by the Death Bell?
Mawang's experiments with the "old model" heavenly shock collar is hilarious, especially when surly Grandson of General Store Grandma sets the thing off just like dear old dad. Har! But Secretary Ma does not. Good doggie!
PK's devotion to Bu Ja is still touching, and now he sees that even Priestess is not totally bad. (In this respect, he's much like Sun-mi.) But if he turns into a rampaging boar who screws up Oh-gong's operation to vanquish the misbegotten dragon, he'll end up as barbecue for sure. Which would be sad. I'm beginning to think that Priestess possessing Zombie Girl's body has had some of the latter's kindness wear off on her, and may be redeemable after all.
I can't help but think that Han-joo's hot tip to his boss to buy land where the Korea Foundation is planning to build is going to be a means of redeeming and cleansing the countryside that has been corrupted for 1,200 years. It may even be that Priestess will help Sun-mi in purifying it transcendentally as atonement. -- I also suspect that Prof. Kang is the reincarnation of the king who done Priestess wrong 1,200 years ago.
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allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 11:50 AM
Biscuit teacher and star candy! How did I not remember that at star reference?
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ar_arguably romantic
February 26, 2018 at 3:52 PM
As annoyed as I am with the ASN business, I do like how PK and BJ is affecting her. I really enjoyed the scene of SM reaching out to the BJ within her. I'm expecting the ASN to switch sides and repent. I wish we got to know more of her backstory.
It was also fun to see the old model and the callback to the original story. I'm so glad they went with the new model. Can you imagine SOG walking around in public wearing that thing on his head 24/7?
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PakalanaPikake
February 26, 2018 at 5:50 PM
I can't imagine Oh-gong walking around in public with a tiara any more than you can. If he had to do that, he'd probably also have to wear a tutu while dancing "Swan Lake." Or maybe lots of lycra a la Richard Simmons. Har!
The Priestess arc doesn't bother me because there has to be someone whose power and expertise is crucial to raising the dragon or whatever apocalyptic means of human origin is going to endanger earth. If any old walking-around human could do it, it would have been done already. Priestess was betrayed by a human, and so was Oh-gong. Wouldn't it be convenient if that no-good double-crosser has reincarnated as Professor Kang? Oh-gong could kill two birds with one stone -- plus the whole averting the apocalypse task.
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37 PakalanaPikake
February 26, 2018 at 9:54 AM
How much do you want to bet that Bu Ja, like Sun-mi, was also fated to help take down Kang & Co.? She's Sun-mi Lite, minus Sam-jang powers, but possessed of a kind and loving heart, which has captured the hearts and minds of all the demons in our merry band. And isn't she serving as a vessel for Priestess, just as Sun-mi has been fated to serve as the sacrificial vessel for the Apocalyptic Big Bad? I haven't forgotten Oh-gong's promise to burn Bu Ja, but am hoping that there's a loophole for her as well as Priestess. But if she cannot be restored to life, she may just go out in a blaze of glory instead of Sun-mi. Frankly, I'm saddened by that prospect.
As for the valley itself, it looks like a flooded quarry. I can just imagine Oh-gong turning it into a giant cauldron and boiling a batch of Dragon Soup.
Dragon Prince Alice spilled the beans about Bu Ja's killer to PK, which was long overdue. Letting the injustice fester was wrong from the get-go. Even if PK goes off a rampage, I have a feeling that Sun-mi will be able to help channel his rage constructively.
I hope that Dragon Prince has a role to play in defeating the misbegotten dragon. He might have some privy knowledge about dragon vulnerabilities that will help turn the tide.
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tsutsuloo
February 26, 2018 at 10:10 AM
Thank you @pakalanapikake, @bunny and @peeps for pointing to the Dragon Prince's possibilities. I was slow to make the connection—Chekhov's gun!
I'm a little worried about how the dragon will be visualized. I mean, the show's CGI isn't the best and I fear they'll ruin the big showdown with cheesy special effects. Fingers crossed ...
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PakalanaPikake
February 26, 2018 at 11:02 AM
@tsutsuloo,
You're welcome re: Octo-Dragon Prince's possible role in the pending showdown.
As for how the shootout could go down, you reminded me of a quote:
"There are very few personal problems that cannot be solved through a suitable application of high explosives." -- Scott Adams
Old tech (high explosives) would be preferable to fallout from a nuke. It would probably be a bad idea to try electrocuting the thing lest it turn into an overgrown kissin' cousin to Frankenstein's monster.
I personally like the idea of Oh-gong redirecting a volcanic magma chamber under the body of water to gradually cook the dragon before it even knows what happened. (Boiled Toad method)
Alternatively, Oh-gong could cause an eclipse, pull the plug at the bottom of the flooded valley, and send misbegotten dragon down the drain to Goryeo, then permanently seal the outlet. Wang So and his brothers would whomp the dragon with the assistance of the court inventor, and everyone would live happily ever after in both time lines. ;-)
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tsutsuloo
February 26, 2018 at 11:41 AM
I love all these scenarios and want them all. More is more.
Did you ever watch Parks and Rec? The Directors Cut episodes were marvelous because they often featured supercuts of a dozen improvised lines for the same scene.
I know destroying dragons is much more expensive than watching Leslie Knope riff. But this ajumma can dream, can't she?
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PakalanaPikake
February 26, 2018 at 11:59 AM
I've never seen PARKS AND RECREATION, but I can appreciate the appeal of multiple plans to make sure the dragon is good and dead. ;-)
I've got one more for you: General Winter must have an army at his command somewhere. Maybe he'll help Sun-mi and Oh-gong "ice" (old gangster slang for kill) the dragon. Hehehe.
ar_arguably romantic
February 26, 2018 at 3:54 PM
I haven't see the directors cut, but I LOVE PARKS AND REC!!!!
38 PakalanaPikake
February 26, 2018 at 10:38 AM
Just as Bu Ja is Sun-mi Lite (see comment #37), it suddenly hit me that she's also a parallel to General Winter, not only in hosting a second soul, but also in being kind and understanding. Here's hoping that Bu Ja gets a second chance at life, unlike Summer Fairy, who was ready to leave after time-sharing with her oppa.
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39 Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
February 26, 2018 at 11:02 AM
Could be a very confused/embarrassed astronomer around now. "Wow! Look! I just discovered a new star! Wait, where'd it go?"
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bluekitchen
February 26, 2018 at 11:26 AM
Not to mention all the constellations that went missing after Mawang took on the punishment. NASA must be having a bad week. 😅
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PakalanaPikake
February 26, 2018 at 11:50 AM
NORAD (North American Aerospace Defense Command) would have been having a cow (har!) over 99 bogeys falling to earth, too. ;-)
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allphryne
February 26, 2018 at 11:54 AM
Bad week? I'd say the contrary. Nothing makes scientists more extatic then something new. Or missing.
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40 Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
February 26, 2018 at 11:06 AM
Since Priestess doesn't seem to be quite 100% evil, maybe she can possess Kang Dae-Sung's body after he gets what he deserves. Then Buja can have her body back and Priestess-in-KSD would be a good match with Dragon Prince Alice.
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PakalanaPikake
February 26, 2018 at 11:44 AM
ROFLMAO!!
I have a feeling Priestess-in-KSD will need a gill transplant in order to accompany Dragon Prince Alice / Octo-Prince back home under the sea when he reconciles with his papa and returns home to the palace. ;-)
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41 TeinaK
February 26, 2018 at 11:51 AM
Can the ending be as dramatic and great as this!
Im so happy Mawang is trying to help Oh-Gong
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42 ar_arguably romantic
February 26, 2018 at 4:02 PM
I'm so sad that Buja's mom passed away. BJ and her mom never got to really reunite.
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43 zzthorn
February 26, 2018 at 4:17 PM
Speculation...... I'm a little worried about PK as he has threatened to kill the bad guy who killed BuJa and he seems to have stormed off to do just that. And we all know that PK is unable to use his powers right now. Oh dear! But, I have a feeling that Buja/Priestess, will not be too happy if PK is killed in his attempt to get revenge for her. In fact, she has been rather miffed of late that everyone thinks of her as evil when she doesn't think of herself that way. Perhaps she might come to rescue PK at the last minute to redeem herself as a good priestess. Or.... at least go postal on anyone that would harm PK. Maybe the act of saving PK (or dying while trying to save him) could give Buja the right to live again or at least die peacefully. Ever since MaWang temporarily took PK's powers from him, I've been worried that he is far too vulnerable. Although that is just a side story, I'm still curious to see what happens and how it will all be resolved.
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PakalanaPikake
February 26, 2018 at 6:02 PM
When it comes to Zombie Girl, PK is the epitome of loyal, a la Secretary Ma. He may be as fickle as all get out about everything else, but he's touchingly devoted to Bu Ja. I've been keeping my fingers crossed that Bu Ja somehow gets a second chance and ends up singing duets with PK as an idol in her own right. I can't wait to hear their cover version of "I'm a Hog for You, Baby."
If he goes whole hog on the warpath against Professor Kang, Priestess-in-Bu Ja will be the one to save his bacon, perhaps with a little help from Sun-mi.
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44 harlequin
February 26, 2018 at 10:05 PM
Just a thought out there. In Chinese mythology, the Jade Emperor usually give out rewards to humans/creatures who did great merits. If Sun-mi does sacrifice herself to save the world, there is a possibility that she may be promoted to a deity/immortal. In which case, it'll be better than just spending a puny 80 yr lifespan with Oh Gong.
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sunflower
February 27, 2018 at 12:40 AM
My guess is that she will end up an immortal. All along, I only thought that both she and SOG will conquer the evil and then both get promoted for the services rendered. I like your speculation that she sacrifices herself to save the world and then becomes promoted to an immortal. That sounds more plausible, given the nature of Sam Jang!!
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harlequin
February 27, 2018 at 4:08 PM
Indeed. And its clearly plausible for one to become a deity by earning "points" in this universe. Ma Wang has been doing it since episode 1.
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delphy
February 27, 2018 at 1:42 AM
This is the ending in the original Journey to the West as well! According to wiki at least 😝
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harlequin
February 27, 2018 at 3:33 PM
I didn't know that! Now my hopes are definitely up!
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letseatcookies
February 27, 2018 at 6:24 AM
An endless life of them kissing the face off each other is definitely more tempting than 80 years.
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harlequin
February 27, 2018 at 4:02 PM
Definitely. Cross fingers!
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45 eysi1127
February 26, 2018 at 11:26 PM
imo, theres really something about with the statues in MWs house, the bull and monkey statue, because MW ask himself what if SOG gone will that Monkey statue disappear too? idk if what he meant about, yes we know "if ever" og will die, what will happen to that statue it will vanish too?(something like that) so im thinking if SOG born from that 😂 from the stone monkey
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46 betty
February 26, 2018 at 11:31 PM
i think KDS will kill JSM
he is amazed by JSM like Aristaeus which killed Eurydice...
and Aristaeus means best also KDS means best and great
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47 Loca
February 27, 2018 at 2:23 AM
There are tons of clues in the latest 2 episodes, that foreshadows the ending of hwayugi but what I love the most is that there are countless possibilities that it may end up on cry me a water fall scene. Ah San Nyeo is clearly an evil spirit, she is no longer the priestess she claims to be,I think she is not powerful enough to summon the great dragon but Sam Jang can. She should place it inside herself but and Oh Gong should kill her. But did the previous guardian showed Oh Gong what he must do? That he would take Sam Jang's place and kill himself? Will Sun Mi the next guardian and Oh Gong the new Sam Jang re incarnated as human? I don't want to think of it but hell I need to clear out the living room for the flood that may partake. But please Hong sisters for the love of our Oh Gong. Most adaptations for the monkey king in every country has a happy endibg including the original Journey to the West..Both the monk and Sun Wukung became deities...should you atleast follow that? Oh come on...re incarnated souls are so stale for on ending, if needed be, make them into high school teenagers that goes to the same class with Ma Wang's son that'll be a cute love triangle...Or let the dragon possess Ah San Nyeo and kill her right away because her soul must be a vessel the same with SamJang except that she's evil. Then expose the evil politician and let him pay for the crime, then make Sam Jang and Oh Gong the keeper of the peach field so Sam Jang will be imortal and live happily with his Oh Gong.
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48 spazmo
February 27, 2018 at 4:09 AM
i am just enjoying this "ride"... i don't try to figure out what's going to happen, or who is Ma Wang's son, or whether Bu Ja will be saved (tho i hope she will come back in the end), etc...
this entire ensemble cast is a joy to watch, the twists and turns are fun/scary, i love the OTP and the other pairings.
i will be sad after next weekend when this drama ends... but can say that it was FUN to watch - and so great to have Lee Seung Gi back in dramaland!
: )
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49 KDramaWahine
February 27, 2018 at 4:26 AM
OMG! That ending! Those kisses! Hot or what?!
So cool about Mawang and the grandson being related.
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50 letseatcookies
February 27, 2018 at 6:14 AM
If the world ends in next week's episode, I think I'm content because of this episode's ending. And if we end up with a sad ending, I'll just pretend that that kiss/bed scene was the ending. I'm not going to let the heavens torture me.
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