Rebel: Thief Who Stole the People: Episode 30 (Final)
by tineybeanie
Now that it’s at an end, it’s so hard to let go. I laughed at the comedic antics of the original Amogae Avengers, cried along with the heart-wrenching decisions made by Nok-soo and Ga-ryung, and blazed with fury and simultaneous pity because Kim Ji-suk’s portrayal of Yeonsangun was that fantastic. This hour was all about completing story arcs, and it was mightily satisfying to see that everyone got their just deserts. The drama wasn’t perfect by any means, but there were definitely memorable gems here and there, and I loved that it kept the people at the forefront, especially toward the end. And to that end, rather than being a drama where a lone rebel hero saves all, it became one where the people became empowered to save themselves.
FINAL EPISODE RECAP
Minister Park marches into Yeonsangun’s entertainment hall and demands the royal seal. He doesn’t flinch when the king rages at him and instead remains calm and resolute with an army of soldiers behind them. Yeonsangun is shocked and outraged at the impudence of these actions.
It doesn’t hit home for him that he’s being overthrown in a coup until Nok-soo gently adjusts his clothing and tells him that unlike his actions while he was on the throne, when he steps down, he should be dignified like a king. Her eyes water as she says that she will also die, since she’s the king’s woman. Then, she retreats from the dais and makes a full and formal bow to him, crying sorrowfully all the while.
Wolhamae, Eunuch Kim, and Yeonsangun all watch with unshed tears in their eyes as she’s forced away by Minister Park’s goons. As she passes him, she spits in the his face, and in that moment, the official pulls out his sword to behead her.
But Yeonsangun stops him with a yell, and Minister Park defers in respect to the king’s last commands. Yeonsangun cries after her as she’s dragged out, calling her his Nok-soo, and Eunuch Kim has to hold him back from following her.
The following morning, Eunuch Kim notifies Yeonsangun that his half-brother, Grand Prince Jinseong, has been confirmed as the next king. Then, gesturing to the commoner’s clothing in front of him, the faithful eunuch tells his master that he must now change out of his kingly robes and leave his royal trappings behind.
In a daze, Yeonsangun stumbles out of his chambers in commoner’s clothing, and guards come to take him away. When he realizes that Eunuch Kim will not be following him as part of his retinue, he desperately pleads with him, the only real father figure he’s had in life, to stay. However, the eunuch tells the deposed king that he can’t accompany and serve him any longer.
Nok-soo has also been divested of her extravagant adornments and attire, and she is dragged away to an unknown location. But at that location stands Gil-dong, and she realizes that he’s saved her from certain death. He tells her that he’ll repay his life’s debt by saving hers this time.
She replies to her former lover that while she may have saved his life when he was in Yeonsangun’s prison, he saved her soul long ago by telling her she was an artist and not a whore. Smiling through her tears, she tells him that it was her choice to leave him for the king, and that she will also choose how she wants to die. She turns away from him, and his expression is bittersweet as he sees her leave for the last time.
People in the streets point fingers at Nok-soo for being the wicked king’s woman who bewitched him into committing more evil acts. Ignoring their mockery, she begins singing a song bemoaning the futility and meaninglessness of her life and her sorrow at her imminent death.
But she can ignore them no longer when the people begin throwing rocks at her. She doesn’t flinch or shy away from their blows and just stands, accepting their hatred.
Other citizens cheer the coming of a new age as they jeer the overthrown king being exiled from the capital. However, there’s one loyalist who comes forward and bows at Yeonsangun’s feet. He deplores the crowd for dethroning the king, declaring that this means the end of all social order. Seeing this one supporter, Yeonsangun commends him for his loyalty and says that he is a true citizen.
From a raised platform, Gil-dong watches Yeonsangun’s disgraced procession from afar. Yeonsangun raises his head, and their eyes meet for a long moment. Internally, the overthrown tyrant thinks that Gil-dong is taking joy in this victory over him and is gloating over his fallen state. However, Gil-dong is pities him and thinks that this is a sad day, thinking it more sorrowful than anything that a man born with such great potential like Yeonsangun had to be taken down.
On his way out of Hanyang, the former king notices a mound of rocks with a pair of red flower shoes displaced on it. Someone tells him that the mound is all that’s left of Nok-soo after the mob stoned her to death. Mourning the death of his most faithful concubine, Yeonsangun cries again and again for his dear Nok-soo, never tearing his eyes away from the human-size mound of rocks that mark the site of her death and burial ground.
Meanwhile at the palace, Eunuch Kim prepares to commit suicide by meticulously checking the rope with which he plans to hang himself. He finally puts himself on the ledge and steps off to do the deed when suddenly, an arrow shoots toward him and severs the rope.
It’s Gil-dong and Yonggae, the latter of which gives Gil-dong an awed thumbs-up for his perfect aim. Gil-dong has come to offer the eunuch a second chance: He tells Eunuch Kim that if he wants to truly repent for his sin of coddling Yeonsangun, he should not do it in death, but in life.
Jeong-hak is also at the palace and seems to be optimistic about his prospects after the regime change. He thinks that because he helped the rebel forces at a critical moment, he’ll be able to regain his previous status as a nobleman, and he’ll have the opportunity to become an officer and rise in the ranks. However, Scholar Song soon disabuses him of that notion.
Clucking his tongue, the scholar pities his student for his naivety and tells him that he may never achieve a higher status again in this government. The reason is because it was Jeong-hak’s own mother who gave the deposed queen’s letter to Yeonsangun that resulted in the Second Literati purge. As a result, he’s been automatically checked off as a Yeonsangun loyalist and will only be seen as a danger to the new regime, despite any deeds he may do to prove his loyalty.
In exile, Yeonsangun suffers from another nightmare and wakes to see Gil-dong’s formidable figure hovering over him. The rebel tells the dethroned king that there’s no one to support him now — all his “loyal” followers have betrayed him, and the people have lost faith. Swiftly shifting back and forth between fear and fury, Yeonsangun grabs his collar and rages that if it weren’t for Gil-dong, his rule by violence would have succeeded.
Gil-dong replies that Yeonsangun’s way of ruling wasn’t politics, but rather, it wass the empty blustering of a fearful coward. Then he gives the king his official sentence: Yeonsangun is guilty of treason for not accepting or even realizing that there was something that should be respected above the king (referring to the trust of the people).
After he leaves, Yeonsangun goes into a frenzy writing and rewriting the same royal command for another purge to destroy anyone who doesn’t follow the established social order. Then, all of a sudden, he collapses in the midst of all his mad scribblings and coughs up blood, indicating his death (which historically occurred a couple weeks after his exile). In his dying thoughts, he remembers Gil-dong’s last words about his sins against the people.
The rebels return to Hyangjumok with news of victory at Hanyang, and the people rejoice to learn that they are no longer a target of the government. In a speech, Gil-hyun tells them that this is a collective win that was only possible because they rose up together. Cue welcoming warm embraces all around between the returning rebels and their loved ones.
In a quiet moment alone, Ga-ryung tells Gil-dong that she saw him tied up on a post in front of the palace all beaten and bruised before he was imprisoned in Yeonsangun’s dungeons. She thought that he was dead, she elaborates, and she carries those traumatic memories with her. She says that although the truth is painful, she wants to tell their child everything.
At the mention of a child between them, Gil-dong’s eyes grow wide. He looks at Ga-ryung’s belly, and she nods a happy yes, confirming that she’s pregnant. He’s ecstatic and hugs her, filled with pride and joy.
It seems that Ok-ran has been bringing Mori food to his little mountain shack while he recovers from his wounds from the Battle of Hyangjumok, because he can barely conceal a smile when she arrives with a basket. She tells him about the rebels’ victory, Ga-ryung coming back to normal health, and the probability that the rebels will leave Hyangjumok soon. She urges him to join them, but he refuses, which gets her in a huff.
Then, behind Ok-ran, Eorini appears with a displeased expression on her face. She hasn’t lost her spunk, showing clearly that she doesn’t like that her friend is cavorting with the enemy. She’s about to drag Ok-ran away from Mori, when suddenly, masked assassins attack them looking for the traitor Geo-in (aka Eorini). A flying dagger lands in Ok-ran’s chest while Mori fights them off, even in his weakened state.
Despite how much he detests having Gil-dong know that he’s still orbiting within the rebels’ sphere of influence, Mori disregards all that in order to save Ok-ran’s life. Without hesitation, he piggybacks her all the way back to the Hyangjumok village, with Eorini following one step behind. Once they arrive and get help for Ok-ran, Mori waits until she regains consciousness.
The wounds isn’t too deep, but he still stays out of concern for her. He tries to make a swift exit as soon as she wakes up, but as Ok-ran explains to Gil-dong how Mori saved them on the mountainside, she refers to the tsundere Mighty Child as “Orabeoni.” And Mori, acting in typical shy Mori fashion, shows his appreciation for her brotherly affection by slamming the door open and leaving after saying: “Who are you calling ‘Orabeoni?'”
Ga-ryung follows him outside, and she and Gil-dong invite him to stay for dinner. The subsequent scene is comical as all the Hong brothers gather to watch Mori eat. After being almost always ignored and relegated to the background, it looks like being the sole focus of all seven Hong brothers’ attention makes him uncomfortable.
Keutsae breaks the ice by encouraging him to eat, grabbing meat from Mori’s plate and taking a bite to show that it’s not poisoned. Then the atmosphere relaxes a bit until Mori lets Gil-dong know that the mountain assassins were looking for the traitor Geo-in. Eorini pales with fear at the mention, and Gil-dong realizes that Scholar song is still up to his old tricks. Only now, he’s going to do something about it.
After dinner, Gil-dong proposes to Mori that he join their brotherhood, and at first, he refuses by saying that he never wanted to become a part of Gil-dong’s band. But Gil-dong pushes further and soothes Mori’s wounds with empathy, saying that his father trying to murder him and Heotaehak’s betrayal weren’t his fault. Then, all the brothers come out in support, which makes Mori eventually acquiesce.
The Hong band says their goodbyes to the Hyangjumok people, who don’t want them to leave. However, the Hong brothers explain that if they stay any longer, the village will be targeted again by political forces. When the villagers ask will happen if they miss their Hong Hero, Gil-dong promises that they will see each other again.
Scholar Song, despite his great show of loyalty to Yeonsangun while he was in power, doesn’t seem to have spared the deposed ruler much thought after the coup and is busy establishing his insidious hold on the next regime. He even shows Minister Park his personal academy of students who are being educated in the ways of the “natural” social order.
Scholar Song tells Minister Park not to worry about the king, and that he’ll use his students to help the minister in becoming the man behind the king. Inside, Minister Park knows that he’s being used: “Ah, so you [Scholar Song] will be the true power behind me, the person behind the king.”
After the Hong clan leaves Hyangjumok, they return to their cave hideout, where they’re given a warm greeting by the people. Mori takes a look around the Hong clan’s home for the first time.
At the strategic planning meeting, Gil-hyun says that they need to destroy Scholar Song once and for all, and Gil-dong agrees. He turns to Mori and asks whether he’ll be willing to join them. In a momentous gesture, Mori nods yes, not just to this mission, but to everything Gil-dong has offered him: friends, family, and the warmth he so craved while he was growing up.
They infiltrate the deep mountains to rescue the rest of the Geo-in from the Sugwidan prisons, and when masked guards show up to fight them, Mori leads the charge.
Gil-dong and Gil-hyun work on destroying Scholar Song on another front: They sit and have drinks with Minister Park in order to warn him against the scholar. They tell him that he could end up becoming an arrow-filled porcupine like Choongwongoon, who was also Scholar Song’s political puppet before him.
Minister Park already had misgivings about Scholar Song, but this solidifies his need to sever ties with him, and he immediately betrays him. He shows up at the estate of an unsuspecting Scholar Song with a troop of soldiers behind him, reminiscent of when he staged the coup against Yeonsangun.
When Scholar Song asks what he’s doing and why he isn’t pursuing the Hong bandits, Minister Park arrests him for carrying out unlawful vigilante justice through his secret Sugwidan organization. He orders his soldiers to burn all of Scholar Song’s jade talismans, the tokens of the Sugwidan, as well as all the copies of the Heng-rok. Scholar Song cries as he sees his legacy burn in front of his eyes.
Gil-dong and Minister Park have their last meeting in a forest, and the wily minister tries to determine where Gil-dong’s hideout is by asking him. But Gil-dong just laughs and says that he’ll be watching over Minister Park. Of course, when Gil-dong leaves, the minister dispatches his soldiers to follow the rebel back to his headquarters.
The rebels return to their cave hideout, successful in their mission to rescue the Sugwidan prisoners. However, when Ga-ryung doesn’t immediately see her husband come in, the Hong brothers decide to tease her by sounding uncertain about Gil-dong’s fate, and she immediately starts crying again.
Just then, Gil-dong appears in the entranceway waving his arms in huge motions to greet her, and her tears turn into tears of joy as he picks her up in a bridal carry. Together, the reunited clan revels and rejoices in their victory.
Jeong-hak has left the palace and has become a house slave. He is punished by the household madam, but Mistress Jo steps in to defend her son and takes the blows meant for him whilst saying that Jeong-hak doesn’t deserve this type of treatment.
Then she begins coughing blood, and the household madam, fearing an infectious illness, orders her other servants to throw Mistress Jo out. Against Jeong-hak’s protestations, she tells them to leave Mistress Jo for dead on the outskirts of town where all the sick and dying are unceremoniously dumped.
Jeong-hak cradles his mother, who reminisces about her life while in the final throes of death. Apparently, Mistress Jo once had dreams too: She wanted to travel on a ferry, but she could not because she was wed at the age of fifteen, and as a woman, she was not supposed to leave the house. She adds that her sole goal in life became all about making her son a high-ranking royal official, but she failed in doing so. Her eyes turn glassy then, and Jeong-hak cries as he realizes that his mother has passed on.
Things come full circle as Jeong-hak brings a sickle to the household mistress’s chambers to avenge his mother’s death in a deja vu moment that reminds us of Amogae’s killing of Master Jo. He attempts to cut her throat, but he’s stopped by other servants before he can.
He is sent to rot in jail for the attempted murder of his master, and Gil-dong visits him in his cell. The former slave asks his former master whether he understands now that slaves are people too, and although Jeong-hak has only lived a couple months as one, he’s already tasted a bit of the hell that comes from being treated as less than human.
However, Gil-dong says that his father Amogae and his father before him lived their entire lives like that. Gil-dong expounds on this, and in doing so, he makes Jeong-hak realize that whether people are born into privilege or become slaves, they both experience pain the same way.
In exile, Scholar Song has a half-burnt remnant of the Heng-rok by his side while he has fanatical dreams, in which he thinks that he can repeat his rise to success like he did before. Gil-hyun arrives to see his former mentor daydreaming and lets him know that the people who are now in power are scholar Kim Jongjik’s students.
Because those students were persecuted by Yeonsangun at the suggestion of Scholar Song, he doesn’t think Scholar Song will be able to rise in power ever again. Then, he asks if Scholar Song is still looking for desperate people, reminding him of the circumstances of their first meeting.
Gil-hyun had been the desperate one looking for a way to achieve his dreams, and Scholar Song had used his naive student’s desire to his own ends and inculcated an ideology of inequality in him. He realizes now that Scholar Song is a master manipulator who is only after his own gain, and one who uses the weaknesses of others to achieve his own purposes.
Knowing this as well as Scholar Song’s modus operandi, Gil-hyun says to him: “The desperate do not follow those who have nothing [referring to Scholar Song’s state now].” And in despair, the scholar eventually hangs himself.
Years later, Ga-ryung and Gil-dong live an ordinary married life, still very much in love. At night, she tells the village children the tale of the Hong Hero while cradling their baby in her arms.
The children ask about the famous rebel, and she laughs at their presuppositions and tells them — while looking at her husband — that the Hong Hero is very handsome. But moments after starting her tale, all the kids fall fast asleep, and Gil-dong teases that she’s still the best cure for insomnia in energetic little children.
Deeper into the night, they enjoy some sweet married couple time together, and she asks when he first started seeing her as a woman and not just as a pesky little sister. Feigning ignorance, he tells her he doesn’t remember, which makes her a bit irritated.
Grabbing her hand, he tells her that he does remember the point when she came into his heart: it was when she clutched him in her half-dreaming state the time they slept next to each other. He tells her that he loves her before pulling her in for a long, romantic kiss.
Gil-dong and Mori have an arm-wrestling competition between them; it’s the battle of the two Mighty Children. Ilchung, ever the gambling monk, takes bets while Segul provides insider tips and commentary on the match they’re about to witness.
He says that Gil-dong has been using his strength at night to make a third child, so it’s a better bet to put money on Mori, who is apparently single and alone, and thus not using his strength for any purpose. Upon hearing this, the others all switch their bets to Mori. Eorini and Ok-ran root for their respective brothers, which brings a huge smile to both Gil-dong and Mori’s faces.
However, as soon as they hear whispers of a rumor from the villagers that Minister Park is taking bribes and using his influence for sexual favors, they go and visit him in the dead of night. Gil-dong reminds the now-corrupted minister that he said he would be watching him, and he proceeds to mete out justice.
Ga-ryung writes the last chapter of her storybook about the Hong Hero tale, saying that whenever there’s a need for them, they will appear again. The Hong Brothers look over Hanyang, since they’ve heard more rumors of unrest and of people being oppressed. Gil-dong and the others get ready for more rebel action, solidifying their purpose and proclaiming another beginning for the Noisy Hong Clan.
COMMENTS
Wow, I was expecting death and tragedy in the final moments, but I’m glad that the writers took creative license with history and gave our heroes a happy ending to their story. Especially with that first scene of Ga-ryung being shot on the post, I was not expecting her to live (and when we saw it in real-time in Episode 27, I thought it might even be poignant and more meaningful to have her die), but we ended up with our band of bandits being silent guardians, watchful protectors, and dark knights ready to help whenever they’re needed. So with a light and thankful heart, I’ll give my final farewell thoughts on the drama that consumed me for the past four months.
Actors Kim Ji-suk and Honey Lee were at their best this episode, showing us gravitas that I had been missing during the middle of Rebel’s run. I’m serious—I think Kim Ji-suk deserves something on the same level as a Korean Oscar. His vacant staring and vacillation between angry tyrant and helpless man-child was absolutely on point. When Yeonsangun mourned Nok-soo’s death, I saw that he didn’t just regard her as an expendable person but loved her in his own twisted way, despite her having believed in life that he did not see her as a lover.
Yes, Yeonsangun committed outrageously heinous deeds and generally did not view others as fellow humans, but like Gil-dong pointed out, it may have been a combination of cowardice and ignorance that led him down this path of violence. But ultimately, he didn’t betray those who were closest to him (Eunuch Kim and Nok-soo), and that shows that his character was perhaps not inherently evil, but rather that his actions may have been a manifestation of his upbringing, very much like how a child stuck in the id-state doesn’t understand how to share or to empathize with others because he was never taught that people around him also had feelings and desires like himself.
I wish Nok-soo’s screen time with Gil-dong had been a bit longer so that they could finally hash out the unsaid feelings between them. Did he resent her for putting Ga-ryung up on that pole and for leaving him all those years ago, and did she still have jealousy and resentment toward him for finding comfort and love in another woman? What were her true feelings on Yeonsangun? Because at the end, it seemed like she turned into a maternal figure for him, and any affection that she felt for him may have been a protective, pitying love rather than the deep passion that she and Gil-dong once shared. Whether she truly realized how her actions to encourage Yeonsangun in his purges impacted the people was not shown, although that beautiful melody as she walked the streets in white sinner’s garb showed that she knew that her life had gone astray.
The endings for the other villains — Mistress Jo, Jeong-hak, and Scholar Song — were exactly what they deserved. Gil-dong didn’t necessarily have a large hand in their downfalls, but rather, it was their own actions that led them to their ultimate ends. Mistress Jo was so far gone in her belief in the natural social order ideology that it’s hard to say if she was truly evil or just radicalized to the point of no return. But during his exile, I could see that Scholar Song was only using the ideology that he promoted just so that he could gain power, and not necessarily because he had a strong belief in it himself. I felt the most pity for Jeong-hak, who I think could have turned into an ally like Mori before the turning point when he became a vengeful bad guy (after finding out that Gil-dong’s father murdered his own). And of our villains, I think that only Jeong-hak realized what life was like on the other side, having experienced firsthand the horror and despair of slavery.
The best story arc wrap-up in the finale, I think, was Mori’s. Hooray for the guyliner’d assassin turning into an awesome hero in the end! The way that Ok-ran brought him back into the fold rather than Gil-dong or Ga-ryung was particularly well done, because I think they were both lonely souls who developed their personalities in opposite ways. Mori, feeling the need to find a new paternal figure after his own attempted to kill him, became subservient to lesser men like Heotaehak and Choongwongoon, while Ok-ran’s personality was excessively nice throughout the drama. She may have felt the need to become well-liked to compensate for her lack of family and to fill her need for love. That ending scene where she cheered him on against Gil-dong in the arm-wrestling competition showed that their emotional scars had healed enough for both to laugh without restraint and feel real joy.
That being said, was there really a need for all those endings? I feel like there were at least two different epilogue sequences when all they needed to do was end with Scholar Song’s comeuppance and Mori’s redemption. Perhaps production was rushed or maybe because it was the last episode, but they seemed like they were trying to cram everything in, because the links between the individual storylines in this particular episode were much choppier than in the others.
Overall though, this sageuk was definitely enjoyable and rich in terms of historical information and performance quality, and it’s one that I would watch again in the distant future. Like dramallama, I concur that the highlight of these last few episodes was truly the people — because they were at the heart of Gil-dong’s revolution, they were able to succeed. By adding Mori, the writers took away the specialness of Gil-dong’s innate “divine” abilities, and it further emphasized that him being the chosen one was a matter of his love and empathy for the people rather than a matter of coincidence and birthright. And that what’s important: People should be treated equally and be given fair opportunities to prove themselves, and when they are, you might be surprised to see what they’re capable of doing.
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1 rayofsun
May 19, 2017 at 8:06 PM
this show is just <33333 I'm going to miss it so much
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rayofsun
May 19, 2017 at 8:19 PM
I'm really sad to see this show go, because it was something to look forward to every week. Despite it's length dragging the plot at times, having something to come back on every Monday and Tuesday got me through the week. From the plot, the historical aspects, the characters, the actors, everything seemed to fit together nicely. Consistently throughout, this show tugged on my heartstrings and took all my tears. Yoon Kyun-sang was absolutely amazing, as was Chan Soo-bin and the rest of the cast. The Hong clan was adorable, Mori stole all my love, I cheered for Ga-Ryung and Gil-dong, and despised the king. They succeeded in making me feel every emotion intended. I'm also really impressed with Kim Ji-suk too! Kudos to him for playing a character who is impossible to like even a little, and portray him in a way that fits the character perfectly. Our protagonists killed me. Yoon Kyun-sang and Chan Soo-bin are so unfairly adorable. I might cry if they don't have another project together soon. Both were outstanding and I just *sniffs* I'm going to miss theeemmm
My only complaint with the ending is how they killed off most of the antagonists. It might just be me, but it felt odd to have everyone either commit suicide or conveniently become ill...it also felt like through death, they were escaping punishment in a way. Probably is just me, but it bothered me a little bit.
But overall, I adored this show and will miss it greatly. Thank you so much for the recaps! It's going to be so weird not being able to catch up on Gil-dong and his gang every week. Now I am going to go into my corner and cry and scroll through Yoon Kyun-sang's instagram to look at his cats and his beautiful face. Farewell!
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Melona
May 19, 2017 at 8:51 PM
I know, the last episode just felt like Death Note, with Gil-dong showing up everywhere and all the antagonists just dropped dead one by one after his visit
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enkeys
May 19, 2017 at 9:44 PM
I don't know about Madam Jo but Yeonsangun spitting blood is expected. We know that he can't simply be sentenced to exile with his crimes so I believe he was sentenced to death by poisoning as well. The poison is supposed to slowly kill you so it's not surprising that he vomited blood several times and finally dies.
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Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
May 20, 2017 at 12:01 AM
It was pretty common in those days to not kill a deposed leader at first, making the new ruler seem benevolent and appeasing loyalists of the old order -- then discretely poison the guy after the new regime was secure enough to not worry about gossip.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
May 21, 2017 at 9:35 AM
well, in Yeonsangun and Nok-soo's case, the historical figures in question did die very soon after he was deposed (plus what enkeys and Lord Cobol say), and I'm not surprised that Song Sabu is enough of a fanatic to kill himself rather than live powerless. Lady Park (Jeong-hak's mother) is old and I'm not surprised she falls fatally ill in slavery. But Jeong-hak and Mori are alive, so it's not like every single person died.
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keiru
May 21, 2017 at 7:31 AM
I was busy stalking Yoon Kyun sang's instagram too (it has become my fangirl routine activity even more when Rebel's still airing), but now I'm sad to realize that there won't be any newest pictures and videos of Rebel anymore (especially unseen behind the scene photos by casts or crews), but then I remember that there must be farewell party after the show ended which meant lots of pictures to look at (they had such a good time singing "Spring of Ikhwari" together). And Yoon Kyun Sang had a recent fansign too, so it helped to fill the empty spot a little with all of those pretty and cute pictures of him XD
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
May 21, 2017 at 9:37 AM
He had a fansign?! I wonder when he started having them, it feels like just yesterday I was watching episodes of Pinocchio and going 'HYUUUUNG, NOOOO!' at him in a third? fourth? lead role and now here he is, the lead of his very own 30-episode drama and coming off great reviews for it!
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keiru
May 21, 2017 at 8:50 PM
It's not his own fansign, it's him as a brand ambassador of a project/shopping mall (?). He looked so adorable and friendly to the fans, I was soo~ jealous I wish I was born Korean and be able to meet him in person too XD
Yeah, it feels like only yesterday I started following his instagram account with about 220k followers (in Pinocchio era), and now he's got 1,5m followers.. It's a considerably huge number for a new actor like him and I feel so proud like it has anything to do with me.. hehehe..
Looking forward to his next role, after seeing him in his mmorpg CF, I kinda want to see him in an office drama as the youngest struggling employee. It might be hilarious to see him running around to do so much task from his sunbaes XD
nico8
May 22, 2017 at 5:45 AM
@keiru
YESSS OMG all his little expressions in that CF were so precious <3333 I can totally see him as the newbie who's waaaayyy too nice and gets exploited by the sunbaenim haha
2 keiru
May 19, 2017 at 8:07 PM
Johaaaa~~~ Johahaeee~~~
When Ahn Ye Eun’s “If Spring Comes” started playing in the background, I was all smiling from ear to ear. Feeling so happy and satisfied for Rebel’s wonderful ending. Yes I was sad that it's over, but I was also happy for their good ending, and happy ending on top of that
I love how they showed us all of those behind the scene videos with Ahn Ye Eun’s song as the background music. It suits their positive energy so much that I feel happy by just thinking about them :D
It's gonna stay on my list of "one of those good drama that gives me happiness and warmhearted feelings whenever I think about it". I will always cherish Rebel as one of the most memorable sageuk in my whole k-drama watching experience ♥
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May 21, 2017 at 9:29 AM
I cracked up laughing at those dancing videos - the cast really seemed to love working on this, which is quite something considering its length and the fact that it's a sageuk.
It may not be perfect, but it's pretty damn close and it's definitely going on my all-time favourites list too.
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3 cheliwel
May 19, 2017 at 8:11 PM
Solid series. The middle part dragged but overall it was enjoyable to watch. Gil Dong trying for a third child. I'm assuming Ga Ryung is carrying their second child so where's the first?
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keiru
May 19, 2017 at 8:36 PM
Yeah, I was wondering about that too. There's little Gil Hyun and little Eorini cameo too (hello there, sweety~~), so I'll just consider one of them is Gil Ryung's child. It's a little bit sad that there's no little Gil Dongie in sight, Ro Woonie is busy with his new drama :)
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enkeys
May 19, 2017 at 9:04 PM
Both where there at the scene in the village?
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latteholic
May 19, 2017 at 11:26 PM
@enkeys I spotted baby Eorini when Garyung read her story to the little kids, but I'm not sure about little GilHyun. Does the little GilHyun here means the little little GilHyun, @keiru?
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keiru
May 20, 2017 at 6:19 AM
Oh, it was the younger version of little Gil Hyun (the one who took baby Gil Dong to their mother and 'guarding' them so no one would take a peek at his mother breastfeeding his younger brother. It was such a cute scene ! Little Gil Hyun was already a responsible family man back then)
and yes there's younger version of little Eorini, the only child who was still wide awake at the end of Ga Ryung's story telling time
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cheliwel
May 20, 2017 at 8:00 AM
Oh really didn't notice them. I will have to watch that scene again.
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
May 21, 2017 at 1:36 AM
I noticed baby Eorini (the toddler version), and I thought I saw Gil-hyun, awwwww @them getting the kids back for the end!
4 latteholic
May 19, 2017 at 8:13 PM
Thanks for the recap tineybeanie!
Ok. I still have some unanswered questions but I SWEAR NO ENDING HAS EVER MADE ME FEEL THIS HAPPY BEFORE!!
The final scene of Hongvengers in the new formation is so beautiful. Who would have guessed that everyone will survive in the end? I was pretty sure that we’d lose Soboori at one point but I’m just so grateful to writer-nim for not choosing to go that way.
I was glad to see Mori getting forcibly adopted by the Hongs and that he won’t be lonely anymore. What GilDong said to him really struck a chord in him. He was just unlucky. If only he grew up with a dad who were as awesome as Amogae, I’m sure he would not make the bad choices that he made.
GilDong and GaRyung have babies! And they’re making more babies! ? And he called GaRyung "sexy" (ok, its saeg-si, but still). That arm wrestling scene where he and Mori got roasted by the Hongvengers just made my day. They are such trolls and I love ‘em for it. Btw, I guess Mori and Ok Ran are GilDong and GaRyung version 2.0?
Gil Orabeonies visiting every villains and giving them their piece of mind was all kind of awesome to me. Presidents should probably consider hiring these two orabeonies to write them speeches.
Now the sad part, I cried during Nok Soo’s scene with GilDong. I admired the way she’s owning up to her own choices. I got goosebumps when she dignifiedly walked away from GilDong to join the group of king’s women who got deposed. That last song she sang was heartbreaking and Wolhamae was there with her all the way to the end *tears*. I didn’t say it often but I sure would love to watch Lee Honey again in another sageuk! She’s just all kind of amazing!
I somehow pitied Yi Yung in this episode, which again attest to Kim Ji Suk’s amazing portrayal of Yeonsangun (yes, I decided to look for the correct spellings just this once). I sincerely hope that this drama will open up more leading roles opportunity for him (and Lee Honey as well!)
Closing thought, I started watching Rebel expecting to just have that one sageuk with Yoon Kyun Sang that I can watch on weekly basis, but I never expected to be taken on one of the most tumultuous, heartfelt rides of the year that reduced me to this pool of emotional jelly spread out on the floor for people to step in and go “Yechh”. Yes, it wasn’t a perfect drama, but I truly enjoyed it from start to finish and that’s all that matter.
I have also enjoyed reading all the great comments from all the awesome beanies here. I loved reading the insights from the novel and other literatures that @liina has provided time and time again, @cloveredlioness’s weekly random thoughts (I was waiting for them on the last recap!), and all of the discussions on parallelisms and symbolisms and the all the fangirling and shipping with all of the awesome beanies in this thread. They all have certainly enhanced the experience of watching this little gem of drama! Thanks everyone and I sure...
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keiru
May 20, 2017 at 5:35 AM
It might be true that Mighty Child tends to develop orabeoni feelings into romantic feelings afterwards XD
Plus this writer seems to love some kind of paralellism (?) in his/her story, so.. that's it.. (btw, is Hwang Jin Young a woman or a man?)
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latteholic
May 20, 2017 at 8:31 AM
Hwang Jin Young is a woman ? . And she does love her parallels doesn't she? All of them are nicely done and striking, not only for the story within the story, but also the parallels drawn with all the current happenings in RL.
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cloveredlioness
May 20, 2017 at 6:05 AM
I will DEFINITELY get to my random thoughts on the last episode lol. I'm travelling abroad at the moment which makes posting a little hard...but I'll definitely get to them.
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latteholic
May 20, 2017 at 8:32 AM
YEAY! I will still have some reading materials to look forward to Rebel-wise ?
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cloveredlioness
May 31, 2017 at 7:45 PM
Just posted the rest of my random thoughts for this episode. Enjoy!
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PakalanaPikake
May 20, 2017 at 7:45 PM
@cloveredlioness May 20, 2017 at 6:05 AM:
Looking forward to them. ;-)
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cloveredlioness
May 31, 2017 at 7:46 PM
Finally complete all the random thoughts for this series! Take a look if you'd like.
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PakalanaPikake
May 20, 2017 at 7:43 PM
@4 latteholic May 19, 2017 at 8:13 PM:
You had me in stitches with that image. ROF in emotional goo LMAO. ;-)
I fully expected to be taken for a ride with a posse of memorable characters, and REBEL delivered in spades. After nearly four months on the trail, have I got saddle sores. And I wouldn't have it any other way.
As I see it, the Last Roundup is a long way off for the Hong clan, and that makes me very happy. I can breathe again.
I hope the cast and crew can put themselves out to pasture for a spell to rest and catch up on their sleep. They've basically completed the equivalent of two back-to-back miniseries.
@enkeys May 20, 2017 at 4:21 AM:
When adjectives fail, try painting a word picture. ;-)
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enkeys
May 20, 2017 at 8:36 PM
That's very helpful, @pakalanapikake! Thank you!
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latteholic
May 21, 2017 at 4:03 PM
@pakalanapikake I always love finding gem like this where I started it without having high expectations–only to find myself to be completely blown away at the end. I will definitely pick up KDSBH again one of these days, because I love writer-nim's storytelling and characters, they're very well drawn as are the plotlines.
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cloveredlioness
May 25, 2017 at 8:19 AM
@latteholic @pogo1 @pakalanapikake @liina and others who are interested lol. I've started posting Random Thoughts in the Episode 29 recap.
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5 keiru
May 19, 2017 at 8:44 PM
Another shocking (and sweet) revelation for me ; when Gil Dong admitted that he fell in love with Ga Ryung when he was watching her falling aslept while clutching his clothes
Daaaaw~~ that was waaaay back a long long time ago. How come? All those time, all those rejections, all those “even if things go wrong and you die, I will not care.” Heol~ Gil Dong was such a stubborn and skillful tsundere back then..
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enkeys
May 19, 2017 at 9:14 PM
Forgive my weak korean but I think a more accurate translation of what he said would be 'But I remember when you started entering my heart. When you were holding my sleeve tight in your sleep. At that moment I realised that this little girl, I will have to cherish and protect her all my life'. I think he meant to say that's when she made her mark in his heart, but not necessarily as a woman, because he admitted he can't remember when he finally sees her as one. Instead, he felt a brotherly feeling and gradually that feeling change into love. But it was a sweet confession regardless ❤
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enkeys
May 19, 2017 at 11:53 PM
I would like to add how the the background music in the confession scene was so on point:
1) Gil-dong: Well...I'm not sure when I started seeing you as a woman.
Song: The person who recognised my feelings when I don't even know my own heart.
2) Gil-dong: Ga-ryung ah... I love you.
Song: I want to call it love.
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latteholic
May 20, 2017 at 5:45 AM
Awwww... I loved that CSB's version, and what a very fitting lyrics!
Yeah, the sub that I read in dramahood said when he first fell in love, but the sub in Viki said when he first put her in his heart, which I interpret as feeling some sort of affection although not necessarily a romantic love. I thought it would be weird if he fell in love with GaRyung then since we know that he thought of Nok Soo right after. But when he said that he felt that he felt he had to protect her then, he wasn't lying because he did get that room so that GaRyung won't have the share the common room with other guys, and he did let her to follow him around since then... ❤
Btw, MBC has released the full album of Rebel OST and it's all kind of wonderful. Ahn Ye Eun's Red Ties (2 versions of it) is there and all of the musical scores including two of my favorites (the one that was played during the wedding scene and the one played when GilDong found out about Eorini from that record of deeds book) are there also ?
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May 21, 2017 at 9:45 AM
Rebel has the best background score and OSTs of any sageuk for the last half decade, and I want to bow in gratitude to the composers as well as to the music editor. Way too many drama moments have been ruined by noisy/out-of-place music, and while the music of Rebel may not have been perfectly period-appropriate, it never, ever sounded jarring. That's practically a unicorn thing among kdramas, especially ones on KBS/SBS/MBC that revel in screechy kpop ballads or pop songs soundtracking major emotional moments.
Also really appreciate the use of Korean traditional music and dance in Rebel - they did it for multiple performances, and all the way to the end to make the point that Yeonsangun was basically Nero fiddling as Rome burned, which is incredible. Mad respect to all the actors and artists who did those performances - each of them probably took months of practice!
keiru
May 22, 2017 at 8:57 PM
I just downloaded their whole OST and can't wait to hear the blissful music on my way back home this evening (I almost couldn't hold back the temptation to listening to the OST at work but I remember I couldn't risk getting fired for my favorite drama.. hehe)
latteholic
May 23, 2017 at 10:54 AM
@keiru, I'm bad example. I've been listening to the OST all week while working. The background scores esp make everything super dramatic. I spend most of my time coding on my computer, and the scores make me feel like I'm trying to hack some confidential files from the govt or something ?
keiru
May 23, 2017 at 7:52 PM
@latteholic LOL, I guess you were listening to the OST through earphone, no? I couldn't listen to it either through speaker or earphone because my superior frequently came to our room XD
I have mentioned it before about the bgm, but I'll say it again. I love this one 녹수 (압록강 푸른 물) from Gil Dong-Gong Hwa first meeting scene and this one 삼남매 for Gil Ryung theme at their early "little sister and orabeoni relationship" stage. The rest of their bgm are as awesome as this two, they bring back all the feels and lift my mood up every time I listen to it :)
6 muymuy
May 19, 2017 at 8:46 PM
Thank you so much for the recap! ?
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7 Melona
May 19, 2017 at 8:48 PM
How cute is Gil-dong and Mo-ri's arm-wrestling match? It's such a shame that they could only insert little snippets of it right towards the end. Think of all the bromance we could've got, show?
I've enjoyed Rebel more in the beginning and felt like it has somehow meandered a bit, but overall it was still a very solid show, with high production values, fitting OST, and actors that performed well beyond their given characters. This was a well-made sageuk. It alternately made me cry and jumped with joy. I've shaken my fist angrily at the villains, and celebrated the gang's triumphs. Most importantly, I felt entertained throughout. Thanks to the recappers and all the beanies who enjoyed Rebel as well.
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
May 19, 2017 at 9:09 PM
Mori getting an entire family is fantastic.
But I loved that he gained his own sister too, one who's partial towards him, hehe.
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keiru
May 20, 2017 at 5:27 AM
Yes, I had wished that their bromance happened earlier and longer. But it was far better than never.
And I love it when the Hongs heard the people talked about the corrupt new government and they all turned to Gil Dong, especially Mori's excited expression which was like : "Oh yeah, let me beat them up hyung !"
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8 mysterious
May 19, 2017 at 8:57 PM
Gil-dong and Ga-ryung, along with the Hong family, got their happy ending like I wanted so I was really happy about that . . . But it was Mori's story that made me soooo happy. When he cried after being betrayed by his supposed father, I realized he wasn't evil, just desperate to find his place in the world and to find acceptance. He thought having power would give him that, but in the end it was the people who were the salt of the earth that gave him a home. Seeing him smile and form a bond with Ok-ran was wonderful. When it was said that he didn't need to use his strength at night (cause he was single), his facial expression made me laugh out loud. This is the kind of ending I love. I don't need depressing endings to my dramas, that's what real life is for.
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keiru
May 20, 2017 at 5:20 AM
Tbh, Rebel's happy ending partly came from Mori's own happy ending. I'm just super glad that he gets to feel real happiness in this world. It's the first time ever we saw him eating, smiling, laughing, and actually showing expression rather than just being broody, wasn't it?
And that scene where the Hongs were giving hugs to Hyangjumok people, Mori looked like a lost puppy as a
he didn't know how to act around others. He looked so stiff and hesitant but it mean he would start to learn how to live like a normal human being. Good for him, and for Gil Dong to gain another bromance into his brotherhood..
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9 enkeys
May 19, 2017 at 9:01 PM
Ah how to let go of this gem? I have many thoughts running through my head right now, I lament my lack of English proficiency for I really want to vomit them out but can't really do so.
Some of my favourite scenes in this episode were how the Hongs went around announcing the villains' crime as they've always did since they started punishing corrupt noblemen. It's also very interesting that none of the villains (Song sabu, Yeonsangun, Minister Park, Eunuch Kim, Jeong-hak, Madam Jo, etc) felt any regret at all for all their wrong-doings. It sends chills down my spine and I am not sorry at all that they met their deserved ending. Even Nok-soo, I think she kind of just accepted her end, I am not sure if she felt remorse at all.
Jeong-hak in that scene where he plans to kill his Master, instead of looking angry and resolute like Amogae, he looks a bit scared. That's when I noticed that Jeong-hak is actually a scaredy-cat, he is nothing without his mother, he can't even kill his (old) Ladyship. He is a case of unfortunate parenting in my eyes, if he had met parents who understand his needs instead of forcing him to realise their dream of making their son a judge, he would have a happy life.
I also appreciate how Gil-dong said the words that Mori probably wants to hear the most: That it's not his fault that everybody abandons him. He's just unlucky, that's all. I can feel Mori's grateful feelings towards Gil-dong at that moment through my screen, and that is a testament to the good job of the actor playing Mori.
Rebel is truly 'my life's drama' as k-nets loves to term their favourite drama. (With that being said, would any kind soul recommends a solid sageuk like Rebel? The withdrawal is too severe)
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Melona
May 19, 2017 at 9:10 PM
Have you watched Tree With Deep Roots or Six Flying Dragons? Both are produced by the same solid PD-writer team and extremely well-acted. Some of the older ones that I liked at that time are The Princess' Man and Painter of The Wind.
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enkeys
May 19, 2017 at 9:37 PM
Watched all but The Princess' Man. Will give it a try. Thank you!
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wildflower
May 20, 2017 at 3:46 AM
Have you tried Iljimae or Return of Iljimae? Both are amazing with great music!!
Princess' Man is amazing as well - angsty, but VERY pretty
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enkeys
May 20, 2017 at 4:14 AM
Thanks for the iljimae recommendation! I'll check them out!
Islander north
May 20, 2017 at 10:01 AM
Just a warning that in Six Flying Dragons the hero becomes quite bloodthirsty; in fact, I had to stop watching before the last 4 episodes...too depressing. I loved the "Happy Ending" in Rebel! To me, it has become a beloved sageuk.
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enkeys
May 20, 2017 at 8:45 PM
@kcarlsen you're right, Six Flying Dragons is depressing. It's heavy on politics and it's the first time I watch a martial art sageuk. I don't know whether to feel blessed that my first martial arts sageuk contains one of the best directed action scenes or not, because other martial arts sageuk can't measure up to Six Flying Dragons yet. In terms of the plot, it is not my cup of tea at all, I gritted my teeth through all 50 episodes for Yoon Kyun-sang lol. However, I do agree that it is one of the best in terms of script, directing, acting (except Shin Se-kyung) etc.
wildflower
May 20, 2017 at 3:44 AM
I don't think the Rebel team is the same as the TWDR/SFD team! The PD from Rebel did Kill Me, Heal me and the only other work from the writer was King's Daughter, Soo Baek Hyang!
That being said, I really love the writing and directing for Rebel too :P Will definitely look out for more works by them!
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⭐ Sera The Ms Temper ⭐
May 20, 2017 at 4:12 AM
I think @m3lon4 was referring to Tree witb Deep Roots and Six Flying Dragons which were both produced and written by the same production and writer.
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
May 19, 2017 at 9:12 PM
You said you lacked proficiency in English, so what is this essay?!
Dramabeans has gone international, so just spit out whatever you want. There's probably someone here who can translate those words you don't know in English.
Just share the joy!
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enkeys
May 19, 2017 at 9:16 PM
Hi @peeps thank you for your encouragement ❤
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⭐ Sera The Ms Temper ⭐
May 19, 2017 at 9:17 PM
Check this writer's past work King's Daughter Soo Baek Hyang, it is underrated gem? It is still among my fav sageuk.
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enkeys
May 19, 2017 at 9:39 PM
Hi Sera! Yes I watched all 108 episodes but I still wish for more! Truly an underrated gem! Basically this writer is in my list of 'trusted writers'?
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⭐ Sera The Ms Temper ⭐
May 19, 2017 at 10:04 PM
??? Trueee. I don't really love other current sageuk, but try watch Princess Man like what suggested above. I loved Chuno too. Currently downloading Queen Insoo with subs and planning to watch it soon. Waiting for sub to complete was quite a torture.
and yes, this writer is also in my list of trusted writers. I am going to check this writer's first drama The Peak. It was just 2 epi. Have you watched it?
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enkeys
May 19, 2017 at 10:25 PM
No way. She wrote The Peak? The one with Seo Hyun-jin and Kim Dong-wan? I found the 1st episode subbed in Youtube but I can't find the 2nd episode subbed.
I watched Chuno a bit, failed to warm up to Lee Da-hae's character so I gave up. Queen Seondeok too, I'm stuck at episode 10 because I can't stand the coward duo in our main leads' hwarang corps. Warrior Baek Dong-soo is too cringey, especially in its use of music. I am looking for a good sageuk but just can't be satisfied with the choices I have lol
⭐ Sera The Ms Temper ⭐
May 19, 2017 at 10:33 PM
Yesss. The one with Seo Hyun Jin and Kim Dong Wan. Based on info I managed to search, she wrote The Peak. Too bad, only first epi with sub available in YT. I think Viki has both epi witb sub. unfortunately I cannot acces it ? I will make request to other sites to upload it.
Ah yes Lee Da Hae was quite a turn off in Chuno ? But other things made up for it. But have to say Lee Da Hae and Oh Ji Ho were a turn off for me in Chuno (Oh Ji ho even made me turn off in Maids so... hmm). I loved QSD but this drama was not best written imo. But still better than some recent sageuk.
PakalanaPikake
May 20, 2017 at 5:18 PM
@Sera The Ms Temper May 19, 2017 at 10:04 PM:
After watching SU BAEK-HYANG, I looked for THE PEAK (apparently also translated as ZENITH) and was bummed that only one episode was available with subtitles.
While looking around for THE PEAK this afternoon, I stumbled across DRAMA FESTIVAL episode 2: REBELLION (MBC, 2013) with Seo Hyun-jin and Kang Ha-neul. Alternate titles are REBELLIOUS and UNREST (Boolon). Kang Ha-neul is in it, too. Very nicely done, with some good twists. An hour sell spent, especially if you're a fan of REBEL. ;-)
PakalanaPikake
May 21, 2017 at 2:48 AM
It does my heart good to see so many fans of THE KING'S DAUGHTER, SU BAEK HYANG. The cinematography was gorgeous, and the ensemble cast every bit as satisfying as REBELS's.
You hit the nail on the head about Writer-nim. I'd love to see her do another sageuk with the director of KDSBH.
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PakalanaPikake
May 20, 2017 at 3:41 AM
@9 enkeys May 19, 2017 at 9:01 PM:
Aloha, enkeys! Your English is fine. Don't worry. I have a feeling that what you are experiencing might be a logjam of thoughts caused by strong emotions -- and too much stuff to process. I've experienced it more than once during REBEL. I simply couldn't organize my thoughts until the dust settled inside -- which sometimes took days.
I am acutely aware of my own difficulties in expressing emotion in my second language. Having been a cerebral sort in my younger days, it took a lot of work to learn to express feelings in my native tongue, and I never got the hang of it in my second. All I can say is give it your best shot. There are many good listeners here. ;-)
After watching SU BAEK-HYANG, I started checking out other dramas the main cast performed in, especially Jo Hyun-jae and Seo Hyun-jin. SONG OF THE PRINCE / BALLAD OF SEO DONG / SEO DONG YO (2005) is set in Paekche and Shilla. JHJ plays Crown Prince Myongnong's grandson or great-grandson, Mu, the 30th king of Paekche. The subtitles I saw were not the greatest, but I sure enjoyed 55 episodes with JHJ. His first role as a prince was in DAEMANG / GREAT AMBITION with Jang Hyuk (2002). LAND OF THE WIND / KINGDOM OF THE WINDS (2009) is another sageuk I enjoyed. It is set in Goguryeo. ;-)
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enkeys
May 20, 2017 at 4:21 AM
Thanks for your kind words @pakalanapikake. I just don't know many adjectives yet to properly convey my incredible fond of this drama :)
Ooh more sageuk recommendation! Thank you! I'll check them out!
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latteholic
May 20, 2017 at 6:22 AM
I second everyone's recommendations on The Princess's Man (and I need to watch Iljimae one of these days).
Anyway, in terms of finding balance between angsty scene and quick emotional paybacks, Mandate of Heaven actually comes to my mind. It's not as epic as other sageuks and you need to get pass Lee Dong Wook's over-the-top actings at the beginning, but it was indeed one of those sageuks that leaves you with a heartwarming goodness at the end just like Rebel.
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enkeys
May 20, 2017 at 7:23 AM
@latteholic I'll try Mandate of Heaven soon!
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10 ⭐ Sera The Ms Temper ⭐
May 19, 2017 at 9:10 PM
This epi started with cry cry and cry??? but the ending gave us smile. ???
Kim Ji Suk & Lee Honey were terrific. I want to give them awards on my own, if possible. Kim Ji Suk was succesfully portraying himself as tyrant King Yeonsangun that I cannot not to cry in his last moment. When he finally realized he loves Noksoo in his own way..
Noksoo - We don't really understand about her feeling with the Yeonsan and even at the last moment with Gildong, she didn't really show us if her love with Gil Dong was still there. (but I know deep in her heart she still keep Gil Dong, it is just that she didn't want to show it). What we saw was her sadness but already accepted her faith (when she smiling while crying). What I love about our main villains, at least they didn't runaway and selfish to save themselves only. The loyalty, although for the person place is respectable. They even got some loyalty from their closed ones - King had Noksoo and Eunuch Kim and Noksoo had Wolhae...
I love that Mori is alive and join Hong family! When I saw Ok Ran came to see him, I was like Mori yaaaaa? Although I was hoping to see more of Ok Ran-Mori but I will conclude that their relationship now is kinda like Gil Dong-Ga Ryung at the beginning - and eventually will fall in love with each other ?
I wished Mori joined them a little earlier so we can see the bromance with Two Mighty Child a bit more. This show dragged a bit in the middle, and the Who Is Uhrini plot took longer than it should be. It feels like first and last 10 epi of this drama showed the real plot,and some filler epi in the middle.
In anyway this is still satisfying and good sageuk, and I think the storyline connected well with the title. Looking forward to this writer's next drama. I am still don't really into another sageuk like Ruler at the moment, because the withdrawal from this drama pretty strong.
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⭐ Sera The Ms Temper ⭐
May 19, 2017 at 9:14 PM
*The loyalty, although for the wrong person is respectable.
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enkeys
May 19, 2017 at 10:42 PM
Sera, sorry for replying you here, I can't continue replying up there. Which drama you're talking about here? "...but this drama was not best written imo" You're referring to Queen Seondeok or Rebel?
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⭐ Sera The Ms Temper ⭐
May 19, 2017 at 11:01 PM
I was referring to QSD ?
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enkeys
May 19, 2017 at 11:06 PM
Thank you! I really want to see Lee Yo-won. Sigh... Love love her in Ms Temper as a sassy boss. She was solid in The Horse's Doctor too but IMO she suits her sassy boss character in Ms Temper the best!
⭐ Sera The Ms Temper ⭐
May 19, 2017 at 11:14 PM
Ok Da Jung is still my girl crush. ? Her role in Ms Temper is still my fav role of hers.
11 ⭐ Sera The Ms Temper ⭐
May 19, 2017 at 9:23 PM
I posted pic of Mori in my IG and he liked my post! It feels like your crush finally realizes your existence ? LOL.
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12 enika
May 19, 2017 at 9:23 PM
The final credit was epic!! They all singing and dancing and laughing together
and finally we see Kim Ji-Suk comedic side again.. (he's dancing after the dead scene lol) <3 <3
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⭐ Sera The Ms Temper ⭐
May 19, 2017 at 9:26 PM
I posted this in fanwall but again I want to post it here. ?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BT5mYezgXS2/
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enkeys
May 19, 2017 at 9:50 PM
I love that his instagram says 'cutebutpsycho' ?
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⭐ Sera The Ms Temper ⭐
May 19, 2017 at 10:10 PM
LOL! ? and I laughed at the end he bowed to King Sukjong (Ji Jin Hee) after done being all crazy ?
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13 crazyahjummafan
May 19, 2017 at 9:26 PM
Kudos to Kim Ji suk. His character was the most difficult to portray. It's easy to just portray an evil character - can be fun too. But to create an evil character with depth n pathos is no mean feat. Despite Yeonsanggun's crazy n evil deeds, I always felt a sense of pity for him. Kim Ji suk managed to do that!
Give the man a lead role please!
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14 mistyisles
May 19, 2017 at 9:31 PM
I miss the Amogae Avengers already. <3<3<3
I was also expecting tragedy all over the place in this episode, especially after that last stand at Hyangjumok (and after BOTH Gil-hyun and Gil-dong made promises about never being parted again, I was positive Gil-dong was going to die), but I'm glad it didn't go there. One thing I've appreciated about this show all the way through its run is that I felt like it never left us wallowing in tears for too long before letting our heroes break through with another victory. Despite moments of heavy sadness, I thought it kept a really fun balance.
I was pleased with every villain's comeuppance, and I especially liked the way the king's downfall was handled -- I felt the same way Gil-dong did, that it was tragic because of what kind of king he could have been at one point. Nok-soo's clinging to her chosen path felt tragic too, and I have to credit Honey Lee because no matter how many awful things she did, I could never quite hate her -- I felt for her too much. And how awesome (but pathetic at the same time) was it that Jeong-hak came around to mirror Amogae and yet couldn't even succeed in doing that? I hoped at one time that he might not turn out so bad, but he couldn't get over the ideology that he was above the Hongs and so he kept trying to surpass them, but he always failed miserably.
And Mori! Even if everyone else survived, I knew better than to hope for more than a redeeming death, but it made me so happy to see him become a Hong. After Gil-hyun, he was definitely my favorite character of the show.
I have so much more to say about it, but I can't really put it into words. I just loved it so much. The cast was phenomenal. The visuals were stunning. The music made everything even better. The themes and emotions were inspiring. The characters stole my heart.
Manse!
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15 spazmo
May 19, 2017 at 9:41 PM
the whole cast was great - Kim Ji Suk was fabulous, you loved to hate him... Honey Lee was heartbreaking... Chae Soo Bin was so adorable, i'm so glad we get to see her soon in a lead role!
and Yoon Kyun Sang really was wonderful as Hong Gil Dong - as was the little boy Gil Dong!!!
i was expecting a tragic end (like the movie version) so this ending felt rather saccharin to me, but hey -- i'm not complaining, really... well, sort of. but i'm glad they lived on in this version.
it was an unexpectedly good watch for me, i did not think i'd like it, much less get thru 30 episodes... but it was good enough to hang with, and the ensemble cast made it worth the ride...
; )
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spazmo
May 19, 2017 at 9:45 PM
oh, forgot to mention that i really LOVED that Mo Ri came around and became part of the gang... he broke my heart...
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16 Jima-Sshi
May 19, 2017 at 9:46 PM
I love the drama so much... I even thought of not continuing it until later, but i am glad that i didnt... i agree that Kim Ji Sook as Yeonsangun is my personal best... one of the first few reasons why i still want to continue it, i have never seen him acting before but if this is how he embraced villainous character, i wonder how he would fare with being a hero... and the credit scene where he danced to the song, huwah, i can definitely see what a good actor he is...
Honey Lee too, huwah! Her Jang Nok Su is so endearing! Her last scene was so spectacular in my opinion... Usually this kind of singing scene always makes me feel it's overdone, but with Nok Su, i can really feel how she felt her life's ending... huhu
And Mori!!! I have been waiting for him to be included in the team.... though only towards the end, but the hand wrestling scene with gil dong sums it well...
in conclusion, for me this drama is one drama that shows me sometimes having idealistic view is good because sometimes we need to be shown that life is not only about reality, dreams can come true... so we have to be positive about it
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17 merin
May 19, 2017 at 10:07 PM
I came to this drama with no real expectations. It's a daunting 30 episode drama and a sageuk. I've never been a fan of historicals. I find the genre too dramatic and as a modern girl with modern sensibilities, I can't relate to the characters' sentiments. However, I found myself getting sucked deep into the Rebel universe without no regrets whatsoever.
I can go on and on about the things I loved about it. But the one thing that really stood out was how the drama made me root for and cry not only for the heroes but also for the villains. I don't think I've done that before. This is a testament to how well-written the story is and how amazing the actors/actresses are. Yes, villains are bad but they're HUMAN, too- with human needs and human desires and not just one dimensional characters consumed with power and greed. It felt so good to hate them but at the same time, you understand that they were products of their circumstances and you can't help but sympathize with them. MadamJo, the King, and especially Nok su with her broken singing just had me bawling at the end. I'm just so grateful to the whole cast and crew for this wonderful experience.
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18 beansoverflowers
May 19, 2017 at 10:09 PM
I LOVED IT. It was a lovely fairytale ending. Good trumps evil, the wicked pay, and the good guys live to fight another day.
- Legit thought Jeonghak would become the next Amogae for a second.
- Keen to imagine Okran and Mori having their own storyline a la Garyung and Gildong in ten years. I was disappointed when the actor didn't have more of a role in Jealousy Incarnate, but he was fantastic in all his scenes, so it was so great to see him here.
- Garyung's special powers are more useful than her husband's, t b h.
- The way Gildong looked at his wife after she gave him a kiss!!! I'm really so happy that he as a character is able to be outwardly portray his devotion and love for someone without fear of judgement or safety. Be proud of yourself! She certainly is!
- THE ARM WRESTLE.
- Avengers continuing to do their thing awww yeah.
- The shout out to the Hong Gil Dong story we all know; that they didn't actually travel overseas like many suggested.
Yeah, I'm just squealing. I really did appreciate the scenes of Yeonsangun, Noksoo and his eunuch, I promise. (Nothing beats the BTS where Ji-Suk jumped up after finishing his death scene and did that crazy dance though, ha.)
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⭐ Sera The Ms Temper ⭐
May 19, 2017 at 10:18 PM
Mori (or his real name Kim Jung Hyun) was good in JI and after this drama, I feel want to rewatch his parts in JI. I want to watch his special drama early this year, but I can't access viki ? Wishing dramacool would upload it soon.
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keiru
May 20, 2017 at 5:59 AM
@sera you just turned into Kim Jung Hyun's fangirl, didn't you? Hehe.. I read somewhere that he is being considered as the lead in School 2017, it's good for his rookie days :) you might get to see him often from now on. Congrats :)
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⭐ Sera The Ms Temper ⭐
May 20, 2017 at 8:38 AM
LOL you are correct ?
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keiru
May 20, 2017 at 5:46 AM
"The way Gildong looked at his wife after she gave him a kiss!!!"
This. The way Gil Dong kept closing his eyes a little bit longer (I thought he was enjoying it too much.. keke~) before he stared sweetly to Ga Ryung, the scene was beautifully portrayed (Yoon Kyun Sang and Chae Soo Bin made a pretty Gil Ryung couple ♥). I was dying from too much swooning over all of Gil Ryung's scenes !
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19 enkeys
May 19, 2017 at 10:48 PM
I can't say I like the Mori - Ok-ran (Moran?) ship because of the actors' real age but Mori breaking into a small (but sweet!) smile when he sees Ok-ran coming was cute. I love that he's like "Hmm 'kay" when Ok-ran told him how Ga-ryung is recovering well, means he's moved on from his crush. Good for you, Mori!
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⭐ Sera The Ms Temper ⭐
May 19, 2017 at 11:11 PM
Yes their actual gap is big. 10 years difference ?- Mori is 90 liner, Ok ran 2000 & still underage. Maybe that's why the writer left their story open like that, up to our own interpretation. I am not usually like the pair with older actor & underage actress/actor but as long as no kissing scene ? I would be fine.
But his little sweet smile when he saw her coming and quickly hide it - was so cute.
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
May 19, 2017 at 11:17 PM
I don't really feel the Mori-OkRan ship because they just feel platonic like GilDong and Eorini - strong deep love and care for each other, but nothing romantic.
In GilDong's case, GaRyung never thought herself as GilDong's sister. She always wanted to be his lover/wife, and she did it, ha. But it doesn't seem that way for Mori and OkRan. Hmm
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⭐ Sera The Ms Temper ⭐
May 19, 2017 at 11:37 PM
Gildong and Eorini are siblings - so it is goes without saying their relationship won't be a romantic one.
Mori and Ok Ran - the ending in this drama concluded their relationship are like a brother - sister. Ok Ran is also a little too young. But it is my own delulu going beyond it because Mori is still single by the end of this drama ?
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WishfulToki
May 20, 2017 at 2:22 AM
For a moment I thought show would ship Gil Hyun with Ok Ran (we've clearly watched too many dramas!). But it was much better to give Mori and Ok Ran a brother-sister relationship, which who knows, may become something more in 10 years.
Gil Hyun though. Can he be my orabeoni?
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⭐ Sera The Ms Temper ⭐
May 20, 2017 at 2:48 AM
I thought the same too. My initial thought was she and Mori are actually siblings.
Gil Hyun is ?
enkeys
May 20, 2017 at 4:26 AM
Get in the line, wishfulToki! XD
(I watched the video where the casts gathered for their last meal together and saw little Gil-hyun. I think he looks calm and mature for his age despite being in front of many many cameras and reporters so it occurs to me that his casting was spot on-he looks just like a real life Gil-hyun)
latteholic
May 20, 2017 at 5:55 AM
I certainly thought that they're GilDong and Garyung 2.0. That moment when Ok Ran got hurt and then called him orabeoni and he was all like "who is your orebi?" then stomped off made me go "ooo... why do I feel like I've seen this before" ?
As for Gil Hyun orabeoni, I found this funny post on tumblr and I couldn't resist to share it here: http://estelle-sim.tumblr.com/post/160839272566/estelle-sim-i-just-couldnt-help-it-lol-and-i
[I hope this comment won't get stuck in moderation filter again as most of my comments last night]
WishfulToki
May 20, 2017 at 11:04 AM
@latteholic: thank you, now I realize all I needed today was to Gil Hyun orabeoni dancing. :D
@enkeys: we'll have to arm-wrestle for that first position in the line! ;)
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
May 21, 2017 at 12:10 AM
I never thought Gil-hyun was leaning toward that with Ok-ran, because the way she's presented in his thoughts is 'oh hey, sister's friend! -----> is like sister, must protect'.
Mori and Ok-ran also seem pretty much like they've taken to thinking of each other as brother and sister too, because their arm-wrestling scene set it up as parallel to Gil-dong and Eorini ie real siblings, not Gil-dong and Ga-ryung.
20 C
May 19, 2017 at 10:56 PM
Watching Ruler make me appreciate Rebel more. There is no small characters on Rebel, every single one of them has their moments. Chae Soo Bin and Honey Lee from good girls to hate each other, there is no bad moment of acting. Kudos to casting and director. Maybe the story of Rebel is not perfect but everything else is to perfection.
we discover few new actors that we gonna see more in the future: mori, urini. I want to shout out to Sim Eun-Woo, the white lady, her beauty is so stand out
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acacia
May 20, 2017 at 12:11 AM
Totally agree!!!
and... I was so happy to see Sim Eun Woo in Suspicious Partner!!! YAY for our white lady!!!!
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⭐ Sera The Ms Temper ⭐
May 20, 2017 at 12:23 AM
She has the face of Korean natural beauty and I love it.
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PakalanaPikake
May 20, 2017 at 6:56 PM
@20 C May 19, 2017 at 10:56 PM:
You are so right about discovering new (to me) acting talent. Kim Sang-Joong was an unknown quantity when the show commenced. He now ranks among my favorite ahjussis. And he's just the tip of the iceberg in this great ensemble cast. ;-)
I was totally surprised to learn that Lee Do-Hyun (young Gil-Hyun) had played reincarnated Magistrate Eun-oh in ARANG. Lee Ro-Woon turned out to be the Thief Who Stole Our Hearts as young Gil-dong.
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21 Tsukiko
May 19, 2017 at 10:58 PM
I'm so sad to see this drama go, but I'm so happy it ended the way it did. A good send off to. The show that help my Mondays and Tuesdays for months straight! I look forward to more projects from all the actors, especially Kyun-sang and Soo-bin! Thank you to the actors, staff and Hwang Jin Young for this amazing drama!
Some thoughts at the end:
-I'm so happy with out Gil-Ryung couple and how it ended there. I haven't been this invested in an otp in a while, and boy did they make it worth it. The mutual love they shared, the compassion, longing and support they had for each other made it worthwhile to see them. I'm glad they got their happy ending and, like Gil-dong said, they will never be apart again. (Side note-I am super happy their married life has stayed happy and they seem to be happy popping out kids left and right! Based on what the village rumors and that kiss at the end said, they should get those 10 super strong kids pretty soon!
-I'm glad Nok-soo got to end things on her own terms, both in terms of physical and emotional life. I also don't think they left things unresolved - Nok-soo very much lived and died by her resolve. In this case, it meant letting Gil-dong go for good. She always stuck by her choices, no matter how wrong they might have been. She also knew that Gil-don't and her would never be. She would hold him as her strongest love, but to him she would eternally be the first (albeit tragic) love, the one that put him on the road to finding his one true lifelong love. So, she chose her own "happy" ending. At least Wolhaemae was there to hold her hand in the end.
-Props to Kim Ji-seok on his nuanced portrayal! The kings end was hard but satisfying to watch. Hope for good roles again for him.
-MORI!!! So glad he was forcibly adopted and found his own true family. There, he can atone for his past actions while still being around those that truly care for him.
-Hongvengers, I will miss you so! I'm glad your bonds stayed strong throughout and I know Joseon is in safe hands with you!
It'll always be spring with this show! Time to enjoy what we were given and move forward. <3
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22 Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
May 20, 2017 at 12:09 AM
Wrong answers game:
A: Last week.
A: Attractive ?
A: After a LOT of soju
A: Once Nok-su wasn't around
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chingu
May 20, 2017 at 12:16 AM
Lol @ the third one.
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PakalanaPikake
May 20, 2017 at 5:47 AM
A: 42
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Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
May 20, 2017 at 8:08 AM
Hitchhiker's Guide fan?
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PakalanaPikake
May 20, 2017 at 12:22 PM
Yes, Lord C. Because footballs don't have feathers. ;-)
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latteholic
May 20, 2017 at 8:51 AM
I concur, @pakalanapikake!
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PakalanaPikake
May 20, 2017 at 12:25 PM
@latteholic,
Glad to know I've got company. Truthfully, it's been so long, I've forgotten most of it. Hmmm. That was back before I met a different Hand Towel, omo. -- Thanks for the fish! ;-)
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latteholic
May 21, 2017 at 4:14 PM
I used to have the 'DON'T PANIC' hand towel! I misplaced it somewhere so I couldn't go hitchhiking anymore ?
Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
May 22, 2017 at 10:38 AM
@latteholic
They have them on Amazon. Just search for "don't panic towel"
23 acacia
May 20, 2017 at 12:09 AM
What a great ending!!!!
I love the Hongvengers to bits but I will say, Lee Honey stole the show in the beginning of the episode and Mori stole the show at the end to the point where I wanted more of them.
NokSoo's song was truly something. Full of sorrow but with a kind of pride. NokSoo mentioned that one of the things she hates is being told that she's wrong. She was crying but firm with her decisions until the end.
And the smiles of Mori!!!!!!! Gah I wanted more!!!!!! Even in Jealousy Incarnate this boy was not allowed to smile a lot! I hope you get a lot more smile time in your next drama, Kim Jung Hyun!! And welcome to the Hong clan Mori!!
"Rambunctious Hong!!!!!" *thumbs up with cheesiness overload*
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⭐ Sera The Ms Temper ⭐
May 20, 2017 at 12:26 AM
I am searching his movie last year 'Overman', but couldn't find it. It looks like he smiled more based on trailer?
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PakalanaPikake
May 24, 2017 at 2:02 PM
@Sera The Ms Temper May 20, 2017 at 12:26 AM
I looked around for OVERMAN, too. It's now on my to-watch list, that is expanding right along with the universe. ;-)
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24 Barbrey
May 20, 2017 at 12:18 AM
Thanks for the excellent recaps for this longer than normal drama, tinybeanie! Aren't you glad it was such an excellent show! I've agreed with all your comments and insights. This last episode for me was one of the weakest, but it was satisfying enough not to detract from the general awesomeness of this production. Yay! A kdrama that was A one from beginning to end. So rare.
I want to be a Hong too!
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25 ⭐ Sera The Ms Temper ⭐
May 20, 2017 at 12:35 AM
I know this drama is not a hit and not very famous either so asking for reward vacation is impossible. But I still want these casts to do some event together - like distributing coffees or anything ? Maybe I still want to see them together after the end of drama. This drama is still a success for MBC considering how many MBC drama were a flop in their rating.
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26 WishfulToki
May 20, 2017 at 2:04 AM
So my two favourite dramas of 2017 are Chief Kim and Rebel. Both dramas that were very much a team endeavour, and in both my favourite wannabee villain turned to the good side in the end (yay for Seo Yul! yay for Mori!). The spirit of Chief Kim infected everyone else at TQ, and in Rebel, it is the spirit of Ahmogae which lives on through his family and his band of brothers. Gil Dong was not an easy role because (we felt) Yoon Kyun-Sang would have to live up to the charisma of Kim Sang Joong. It was therefore good that, rather than ignore how great the dad's story was, that Gil Dong and the Avengers always came back to Ahmogae, in good and bad times.
This is threatening to turn into an essay, so I'll finish with a few observations. First, I was expecting a tragic ending and instead got a classic Western-style ending with the goodies standing on a high ridge vowing to protect... Joseon, and baddies out. Madam Jo and her son's ending was absolutely poetic justice. I even felt sorry for Yeonsangun in the end, Kim Ji Suk was that good! Secondly, Nok Soo ended with a sad song. Please please someone give the music team an award of some kind. Finally, Mori. I loved the moment when he got 'orabeoni'd' and his face during the fistfight was hilarious. By the way, I immediately sat up when I saw Mori had lost the EYELINER OF EVIL early in the episode. I knew what that meant!
If I had to pinpoint one weakness of the drama it was in being vague with the passing of time, however, I'll gladly let that go because of how solid it was in everything else.
Ooooh oooh oooh the end credits! Rooftop Party Prince made me laugh my head off. I want a special episode now.
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WishfulToki
May 20, 2017 at 2:08 AM
Whoops, I hope I haven't spoiled **Chief Kim** for anyone reading my comment above, and I can't edit my post. SORRY!!
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⭐ Sera The Ms Temper ⭐
May 20, 2017 at 2:33 AM
@WishfulToki are you me? Because I also have the same thought with you, so far 2017 Chief Kim and Rebel are my fav. Fav wannabe villain turned to good side- yeahhh?? Puppy Yul and Puppy Mori ???
And to add more, both drama utilized not only main casts, but also supporting casts very well. I really appreciate this kind of shows, which utilize most characters (if not all).
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enkeys
May 20, 2017 at 4:35 AM
I stopped watching Chief Kim in the middle of Rebel (I may have fallen in love a lil bit too deeply with Yoon Kyun-sang) but I also think they have a good cast ensemble and plot. I especially love that the writer resolves any setback that befalls our business operation unit quickly and there's many life lesson to learn from the drama :) Now I'm off to pick up from where I left it!
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27 Muzeeka
May 20, 2017 at 2:43 AM
This is a great drama. This and father is strange are two dramas that are long that i am excited about every week.
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28 wildflower
May 20, 2017 at 3:35 AM
Awww it has been a great run :)
Glad that Yoon Kyun Sang had the opportunity to take the leading role and looking forward to see the rest of the cast (esp Gil-Hyun) in other dramas!
Also, how awesome is that the band of brothers remain intact throughout the show? (I would have been VERY upset if they had killed of one of them as some kind of plot device)
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WishfulToki
May 20, 2017 at 4:43 AM
I really thought Soboori wouldn't make it out alive. There was no need to kill a character off for the sake of the story, even if it wasn't too realistic that the arrows failed to kill the Ahmogae Avengers every time. But y'know, there isn't a law of dramaverse that at least somebody has to die before the end.
Also, it is in keeping with the sort of cowboy Western feel we've been detecting in this drama with @Pakalana, that the good guys tend to come out bruised but alive, and the baddies get their punishment. HOWEVER, now that I think of it, the Magnificent Seven had some of its finest moments when characters die in the final face-off, which was really emotional... Ok, I'm torn. I didn't want anyone to die, but I would not have minded an honorable death for one of these former thugs. But NOT Gil Hyun or Mori. That I wouldn't allow.
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latteholic
May 20, 2017 at 8:48 AM
Since the beginning, I always thought that Soboori won't make it. So I'm very much happy that he stayed alive to the end together with Magistrate Eom! They're basically the surrogate mom and dad for the whole Hongs family.
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PakalanaPikake
May 20, 2017 at 1:05 PM
@latteholic May 20, 2017 at 8:48 AM:
I was concerned about Soboori's prospects for survival myself. He's no spring chicken. He and Magistrate Eom are Amogae's contemporaries, the Ikhwari Elder's hyungs who carry the continuity with the Hong clan's origins. The old codgers are uncles to the youngsters -- and I love them for it.
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May 21, 2017 at 9:08 AM
When you think about it, it's been what, 25 years? since Amogae met Soboori and gang but other than the kids at the time (Gil-hyun, Gil-dong, Eop-san) no one's aged lol. Yeong-gae, Il-chung and everyone look exactly the same as they did supposedly two decades ago. I wonder if Gil-dong's Mighty Child presence granted a dose of anti-aging genes to everyone around him, hehe.
PakalanaPikake
May 20, 2017 at 12:53 PM
@WishfulToki May 20, 2017 at 4:43 AM:
I agree that there are times when there's nothing like a good heroic death or three to elevate the epic quality of a drama. But I really was not up for the battle of the Alamo (i.e., everyone dies with their boots on). That would have been the same ending as HONG GIL-DONG, and this drama went out of its way to differentiate itself from the earlier versions of the story.
We already went through the lost family arc for all of Amogae's kids, and Gil-dong has been through the mill and back. Amogae's demise, which likely was premature as a result of the torture, was this drama's prepaid equivalent of the pound of flesh. It happened so long ago that it doesn't even feel like it happened in the story. And we can't forget Mom's demise, either. She's been completely forgotten. :-(
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WishfulToki
May 20, 2017 at 1:56 PM
I agree, I did not want a Last Stand of the Ahjussis.
I was also sad to not see Mom appear as a bird more often, as if show forgot how strong and loyal she had been in supporting Ahmogae.
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May 21, 2017 at 7:22 AM
@PakalanaPikake @WishfulToki - yeah, the amount of loss and death (Geum-ok, then Amogae's torture and eventual death, and the loss of Gil-hyun and Eorini in between, with everyone thinking their siblings were dead/not remembering them) in the first half of the drama is why I think it works to have an ending where the surviving Hongvengers all made it, albeit with injuries. As it is, I've been nervous for Soboori since the time we met him because he was absent from that blasted flash-forward - so glad he isn't dead!
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PakalanaPikake
May 20, 2017 at 12:31 PM
@28 wildflower May 20, 2017 at 3:35 AM,
Considering that the Hongs had pledged to die together, if one of them died, I feared the whole lot of them would go out in a blaze of glory, which was not what I wanted to see. There was so much gritty pain and suffering earlier in the show that I needed a fairy-tale ending. I admit it, I'm a wimp. ;-)
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May 21, 2017 at 7:25 AM
I won't lie, I would have cried for days if they'd gone down - I can see the arguments for both kinds of endings, but ultimately it was more satisfying to me to close out on our heroes all surviving and living to keep a sharp eye on the next imperfect set of rulers.
And I LOVED that little bit of fourth-wall breaking at the end. Thumbs up right back at ya, noisy Hongs!
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cloveredlioness
May 24, 2017 at 7:08 AM
Same. It really felt like such a proper sendoff for everyone that's been with the drama since the beginning. Plus, I think they really earned their happy endings. Because this drama really raised the bar and pulled really pulled at your heartstrings.
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29 WishfulToki
May 20, 2017 at 4:55 AM
Two lingering questions about Mighty Child status:
1) What about the tiger??? Shall we just write fan fic about what we think happened?
2) Does Gil Dong get to die a normal death? I wasn't too comfortable with the shaman's previous death talk, so I'll imagine that it was all made void when he became the hero of the people.
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PakalanaPikake
May 20, 2017 at 1:22 PM
@29 WishfulToki May 20, 2017 at 4:55 AM:
1. Maybe we have to take that scene of little Gil-dong with the tiger at face value after all. Sometimes it's okay to just accept that something mysteriously supernatural is involved. Don't look too closely at the man behind the curtain, to paraphrase the Wizard of Oz. ;-)
2. Gil-dong did cease abusing his Mighty Child powers, so I assume that he is no longer under threat of premature death on that particular front. He still has Mighty Child enhanced healing capacity, so I suspect he'll be around for a long time. He and the rest of the Hongs are mortals, but most of them are still young-ish. This is the perfect time to say "Adios," and imagine the guys settling down at long last. I hope that Yon-gae starts a trend. ;-)
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cloveredlioness
May 24, 2017 at 7:04 AM
If I remember correctly, there's a scene where he sits beside the tiger...Maybe that's what happened since the tiger was a mountain spirit. He was imbued with the powers, but it's not something he remembers. Maybe because he refused the powers at that point?
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PakalanaPikake
May 24, 2017 at 1:56 PM
@cloveredlioness May 24, 2017 at 7:04 AM:
I think that because Gil-dong was still a little kid, the powers were too much for him to consciously take in. I didn't get the feeling he refused them. I think he received the powers, but was overwhelmed and therefore passed out. Buffer overflow, if you will. ;-)
I do think it was a case of Gil-dong's not knowing what to do with the tiger powers -- in addition to his own Mighty Child powers, which he was trying to suppress so as not to endanger his family. Talk about a perfect set up for ambivalence about one's strengths.
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cloveredlioness
May 25, 2017 at 7:54 AM
They sure gave Gil-dong a huge complex about his powers lol.
30 PakalanaPikake
May 20, 2017 at 5:40 AM
Thanks, tineybeanie, for the final recap and commentary for REBEL. It's a lovely sendoff for a drama whose characters have become old friends.
I was nervous as a cat until I knew for certain that our heroes were all going to survive. The icing on the cake was Mori's decision to join the Hongs. I'd been hoping he would get redemption rather than an eleventh-hour heroic death, and my wish was granted. Gil-dong's persistence paid off.
I found the farewell scene between Nok-soo and Gil-dong to be very touching, especially when she told him he'd saved her soul in acknowledging her as an artist. As she turned to leave, Gil-dong gave a tiny gasp that really got to me. Her swan song on the bridge was wrenching. When Wolhamae answered with a call of her own, it reminded me of Gong-hwa's performances with Gil-dong as drummer. -- In the scene of Nok-soo descending the stairs at the palace, I was reminded of the time Gil-dong piggybacked her and Ga-ryung down a long outdoor flight of stairs.
When Gil-dong swept Ga-ryung off her feet upon his return to the cave, Yong-gae did likewise with his court musician flame. Scaredy-cat stepped up to the plate. Hwaiting!
The implacable Madam Jo got what she deserved. But as Writer-nim finally revealed her backstory, and how stifled she felt as a noblewoman in Joseon, I did feel some twinges of empathy for her. Perhaps if she'd had more autonomy herself, she would not have been such a merciless enforcer of social hierarchy. She wanted to visit Mount Geumgang, but was not allowed to because her place was in the home. Unlike Mudang and commoners such as Ga-ryung, she had no access to the wild places and the abode of the Mountain Spirit. That lack of spiritual nourishment was passed on to her son. Speaking of whom, Soo-hak was truly pitiful in his incompetence when he attempted to avenge his mother's death by killing his mistress.
In contrast to the Hongs' smirks and jeers as Choongwongoon was carted off to exile, they were much more subdued as Yeonsangun passed them. Gil-dong took no joy in the king's downfall.
Song Sabu's self-destruction surprised me. It ended up being the ultimate hissy fit when he didn't get his way.
The music in REBEL has been like another character. It has been exquisite, and will reverberate in my heart for a long time to come.
The ensemble cast has been terrific. I cannot imagine anyone else playing any of the roles.
Ga-ryung's scene of finishing writing the final chapter of the story of Hong Chum-ji truly lent a PRINCESS BRIDE vibe. Her boring story zonking out the kiddies was great... but best of all was the Dread Pirate Roberts disappearing act the Hongs pulled – while maintaining eternal vigilance. I loved it that they continued to make house calls when politicians got out of line, with the perpetrators inevitably succumbing to “illness.”
Thank you to all my fellow REBEL fans for making live-watching this drama so darned much fun. It's been an honor...
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tiadebella
May 20, 2017 at 10:30 PM
That bit about Mount Geumgang was a nice return to form, I thought. The feminist themes in the script, which had become less prominent in the last several episodes, consistently surprised and delighted me.
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May 21, 2017 at 7:13 AM
yeah, I loved that moment - it's a well-placed detail that allows us to see her as something other than the hateful harridan she always was to our heroes. And it makes me almost sad for her, that she was denied that and had to turn her energies to what was expected of a noblewoman in society, those days.
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PakalanaPikake
May 24, 2017 at 1:47 PM
@tiadebella May 20, 2017 at 10:30 PM:
I simultaneously watched SAIMDANG, LIGHT'S DIARY, in which the title character makes the journey to Geumgangsan to paint its portrait. What magnificent topography. It's worth taking a peek to see it -- and the Sageuk Cliff of Non-Doom, too.
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31 Martin J Simwaba
May 20, 2017 at 6:44 AM
I love how Mori ended up joining the rebels, i would've hated it if they killed him off.
I'd like to know who won the arm-wrestling.
This show was a great journey for me, i really enjoyed it.
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PakalanaPikake
May 23, 2017 at 7:24 AM
Greetings, Martin!
I'm truly glad you enjoyed REBEL so much. If you haven't already seen Writer-nim's earlier drama, THE KING'S DAUGHTER, SU BAEK HYANG, I would encourage you to watch it. REBEL is a worthy successor to it. -- And don't be put off by 108 episodes. They are roughly half an hour.
As for the arm-wrestling, that was a sneaky way to fudge the outcome. ;-)
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32 keiru
May 20, 2017 at 7:14 AM
Anyway, I’m still wondering what’s written on the paper Gil Dong gave to Eunuch Kim after the failed suicide attempt. Was it a bargaining to make sure that the people of Hyangjumok (and the rest of the Hong clan) will be safe under the reign of the new King?
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latteholic
May 20, 2017 at 8:37 AM
Oooh. That could be it also! I was expecting to see Eunuch Kim at the Hyangjumok or the giant tree hideout after that, but I guess GilDong has another purpose for him at the palace as you have said.
Ah, this is why we need the director's cut version. I feel like some scenes might have to be edited out due to the time limitation.
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PakalanaPikake
May 20, 2017 at 1:31 PM
@32 keiru May 20, 2017 at 7:14 AM:
Maybe it was instructions on how to send the BatSignal. ;-)
I hope that Shorty can go back to selling mats. He'd probably be a lot happier (and have a longer life expectancy) doing that than staying in the shark tank at court. ;-)
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33 kiara
May 20, 2017 at 11:44 AM
Big Thank You to @tineybeanie and @dramallama for all the wonderful recaps and providing us with a thread to discuss and squee over Rebel.
Well, I didn't quite make it to the end but I did enjoy the history part of it which was taken from the original source. We don't get that often so it was a real treat.
I've learnt a lot from the novel which I've never read before (thank you @liina for sharing).
Thank you all for the wonderful comments!
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PakalanaPikake
May 20, 2017 at 1:42 PM
Thanks, kiara, for providing so much historical background. It has made the journey with REBEL all the more interesting and exciting.
I join you in applauding liina for sharing her knowledge of and enthusiasm for the novel and its myriad references to East Asian culture. All I can say is "Wow!" -- and "Thank you from the bottom of my heart!"
Looking forward to crossing paths with you again, chingu. ;-)
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kiara
May 21, 2017 at 10:43 AM
@ PakalanaPikake sabu <3. My English teacher. Thank you for all your help when I struggled with words to explain my thoughts.
I'm sure we'd hang out in another sageuk. 7 Day Queen maybe?
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PakalanaPikake
May 23, 2017 at 8:36 AM
Aloha, kiara!
Aw, shucks. Your English is fine. I'm honored to help with fine-tuning. The devil is in the nuances of this strange language. ;-)
Kiara, I deeply appreciate your historical insights and the breadth and depth of your sageuk watching experience. Thanks for so many pointers to high-quality dramas. ;-)
By pooling our resources, we Beanies all learn something new that we can carry forward in our Kdrama watching. What useful souvenirs. ;-)
Re: future live-watching. You're on! -- And that goes for the rest of the Noisy Beanies. -- SEVEN DAY QUEEN is on my list, as is MY SASSY [JOSEON] GIRL (Yay! Joo Won's first sageuk). I've played catch-up with RULER, and enjoy it by not looking too closely. Writer-nim has ruined me -- in a good way. ;-)
As for non-sageuks, I'm tickled pink to see Shin Dong-won in LOOKOUT, and am watching CIRCLE as well. Both of them are off to strong starts. Looking forward to BEST HIT, DUAL, and CRIMINAL MINDS.
Have been chilling out with MAN TO MAN and MY SECRET ROMANCE for spy spoofery, eye candy, and much-needed comic relief.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
May 21, 2017 at 7:06 AM
@kiara - I owe a massive thanks to you and @liina for the incredible amounts of background info on the history and mythology of the Hong Gil-dong/Im Kkeok-jong stories!
And also a massive thanks to @PakalanaPikake, @latteholic, Sera, @keiru, @enkeys, @WishfulToki, @Lord Cobol, @Peeps, @merin, @spazmo, @Barbrey (hey chingu from MLSHR recaps! It's so nice to have a drama that DOESN'T frustrate me to hair-pulling point!) , @cloveredlioness (I've loved the hell out of your incredibly insightful Random Thoughts!) and all other commenters on the Rebel threads - you've made this drama even better to watch, and that is no small thing.
Rebel may be imperfect, but as @C says above - other airing sageuks make me appreciate what we have here.
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enkeys
May 21, 2017 at 11:48 AM
*finger hearts* aww I love everyone too! Without the recap threads, I think I would have gone crazy because I had no one to talk to about the awesomeness of this sageuk so thank you Dramabeans and recappers!
P/S: I don't know when's the next time I'll visit Korea again, but I made a note to definitely visit MBC Dramia and take pictures with Rebel casts' standees!
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PakalanaPikake
May 23, 2017 at 9:00 AM
@enkeys May 21, 2017 at 11:48 AM:
Finger hearts right back at you. ;-)
Thanks for your posts. I look forward to more in future threads. ;-)
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kiara
May 21, 2017 at 3:15 PM
Aww @pogo <3
I felt that sageuk fatigue coming before Rebel came out. I've been watching a lot of really old sageuks and I couldn't have gone as far with Rebel without you guys.
The ost will remain on my playlist for a very long time. Also, I'm taking Chae Soo-bin with me.
Hope to see you at the "Deliveryman" and "Criminal Minds" thread.
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PakalanaPikake
May 23, 2017 at 9:16 AM
@kiara May 21, 2017 at 3:15 PM:
I had a bout of "sageuk fatigue" 3-4 weeks ago, but was able to get back into the commenting groove. It's all too easy to get carried away sometimes -- and then the danger of burnout becomes real. Catching up on my sleep helped a lot. I also gave myself permission to be late to the party. As my late grandmother used to say, this is supposed to be a treat, not a treatment. ;-)
CRIMINAL MINDS is on my schedule. See you there. ;-)
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latteholic
May 21, 2017 at 4:56 PM
Aww. Right back at you @pogo1! I'm also really grateful for everyone here at the Rebel thread! As I said before, this comments section has become my kind of drama-addiction support group that helps to ease the grief and frustration of waiting for episodes each week. So again massive thanks for everyone for sharing your thoughts and knowledge!
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keiru
May 21, 2017 at 9:07 PM
I love you all too~ it has been a wonderful and memorable journey with everyone here.. Thank you for this precious memories, I wiil always cherish it close to my heart for a long long time :D
See you in another recaps too :)
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PakalanaPikake
May 23, 2017 at 8:54 AM
@pogo May 21, 2017 at 7:06 AM:
You're most welcome, pogo! I've been enjoying your comments on REBEL and elsewhere on DramaBeans. It has been a blast, and I hope to cross paths with you and our Noisy colleagues again.
While there's something to be said for waiting for a show to conclude before marathoning it, yakking about it around the water cooler makes for a seriously enhanced viewing experience. It's also good for one's mental health. My husband watched REBEL, too, but he's usually programming while I'm watching, and I have to pipe down so he can hear himself think. Being able to compare notes in the recap threads helped keep me sane as the plot thickened. Thank you to all hands. ;-)
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cloveredlioness
May 24, 2017 at 7:00 AM
Thanks and no worries! I've also enjoyed reading everyone's insights and thoughts on the drama! I've learned a LOT and thanks to that, I got some of the last references they made to the actual Hong Gil-dong story in the last episode! You've made this experience totally awesome! And I was so glad to have people to fangirl over this drama with.
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WishfulToki
May 24, 2017 at 10:40 AM
Thanks @pogo! Hopefully we'll meet again in another drama thread (are we the Noisy Beaniesnow @PakalanaPikake? I like it.).
Thank you everyone for your insightful comments. This is one case where following recaps and commenting enhanced the viewing experience (also like in the memorable threads of MLSHR). Sometimes there is little to analyse but we still say how much we enjoy it (Chief Kim!), and sometimes I just watch the drama without commenting (Liar and His Lover, where I did not have patience or energy to comb through 1000 comments every week).
See you around Noisy Beanies!
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PakalanaPikake
May 24, 2017 at 1:37 PM
@WishfulToki May 24, 2017 at 10:40 AM:
I think we are indeed the Noisy Beanies. Wish I'd thought of it sooner. ;-)
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34 Islander north
May 20, 2017 at 4:02 PM
OMG, best feel good sageuk! Loved Yoon Kyun-sang ever since I first saw him in "Faith." He really should stick to the historical dramas. The entire cast was great; wonderful chemistry with the OTP.
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35 PakalanaPikake
May 20, 2017 at 6:06 PM
Hats off to Seo Yi-sook for her compelling performance as the implacable Madam Jo. Here's hoping that she and her "son" Park Eun-Seok get to play good guys the next time. ;-)
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WishfulToki
May 21, 2017 at 6:57 AM
Guess what.... Madam Jo seems to have been reincarnated in Theif Nom, Thief Nim. She is still spouting out in 1998 that her precious son shouldn't associate with 'low-born' people etc. etc.
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May 21, 2017 at 7:09 AM
Seo Yi-sook plays very slappable characters VERY well. She did it in Solomon's Perjury too!
Hard to believe this is the same actress whose character is supposed to have such a loving relationship with Yoon Kyun-sang in SFD (which I should get around to actually watching)
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enkeys
May 21, 2017 at 11:22 AM
No kidding. The grandma who dotted on her eldest grandson is the one who loathed the same grandson in Rebel.
I enjoyed both characters - I cried with her when she said she's had enough with everything and begged Kyun-sang to live a quiet life in somewhere far away from the town in Six Flying Dragons, and I hated her so much for causing so much pain to our Hong Family in Rebel. She did a really good job portraying such contrasting characters.
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latteholic
May 21, 2017 at 2:44 PM
I'm glad they never actually met in person in Rebel because that's going to be so weird to me ?. Actually Yonggae also never met with her...
enkeys
May 21, 2017 at 3:20 PM
@latteholic lol i just realised both Gil-dong and Yong-gae never met Madam Jo (Park?) in Rebel! Didn't they hint of a love line between Grandma and Hong Dae-hong as well in Six Flying Dragons? I wonder if making the 3 of them not cross path at all was intentional...so interesting!
latteholic
May 21, 2017 at 3:46 PM
@enkeys I wasn't sure about love line although Master Hong did stay with them and become kinda a surrogate grandad for MooHyul ? . LOL that his name in SFD was Hong as well...
PakalanaPikake
May 21, 2017 at 4:19 PM
@latteholic May 21, 2017 at 2:44 PM:
Oh, right. Gil-dong didn't meet Madam Jo after he grew up. She'd have torn him to shreds with her bare hands. I've kind of slipped my clutch, but IIRC, only Amogae's path crossed with hers at Choongwongoon's residence, and later in jail as he was nearly dead. I don't think any of the other Hongs met her -- aside from Gil-hyun, who freaked out as soon as he saw her.
Duh! I didn't realize Lee Joon-Hyuk was in SIX FLYING DRAGONS, too. Cast-of-Thousandsitis strikes again after marathoning 6FD right before REBEL's debut.
PakalanaPikake
May 21, 2017 at 4:37 PM
I first saw Seo Yi-sook in THE KING'S DAUGHTER, SU BAEK HYANG, and she immediately got my attention as one of the neighbor widows where SBH grew up. She played the softspoken mother of Yong-gu, whom SBH was going to marry until fate intervened. She wasn't in the drama for long, but she certainly made an impression.
SYS played a court lady in EMPRESS KI at the same time.
Kim Byung-Ok (Magistrate Eom) played a minister opposed to King Muryeong in KDSBH. His loud harumphing cracked me up. I was glad to hear it again from time to time in REBEL.
pogo
May 22, 2017 at 8:08 AM
@latteholic - yeah, she never actually laid eyes on grown-up Gil-dong (and didn't realise it when she was face to face with Gil-hyun, thank goodness they were only tiny kids when they left the Jo house).
PakalanaPikake
May 21, 2017 at 3:50 PM
Now how's that for a reincarnation trope?! ;-)
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36 pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
May 21, 2017 at 2:28 AM
I wasn't ready to actually put down all my thoughts for a while, and stuff will probably come trickling in as I think of it (I have half-formed notions about Gil-dong and the Hero's Journey that aren't quite coming together into words)
BUT I AM SO GLAD EVERYONE SURVIVED. Granted, we knew they'd all live to the stake scene because the flash-forward told us so, otherwise I'd have been in mortal terror for Gil-hyun (and was anyway for Soboori, thank goodness plucky old ajae was still alive) but beyond that, yeah, I was still scared, especially for Ga-ryung and Gil-dong. And doubly so with that unhelpful history bit about the third literati purge - but I'm glad Hwang Jin-young saw ahead on that and made it work within our story. I'm ok with not losing any Hongs now, the beginning of the story took enough from them that it doesn't actually feel unearned that they're all still alive now. Or maybe that's just because I want them that way.
And while I can certainly see what tineybeanie means about the choppy jumping between endings (which makes me really glad we finished off Choongwongoon last week), I thought that as resolutions, they worked - Jeong-hak and his mother ending up as slaves in a terrible kind of poetic justice, Song Sabu hanging himself once the brothers make sure he's choked off from power and understands that he is, and Mori finally catching a break and taking a chance at redemption when Gil-dong offers it to him again.
Yeonsangun and Nok-soo's endings are unavoidable since they're historical records and the drama has chosen to work with that. Though they did leave out the part where she was executed by hanging before being stoned to death, I thought the way it played out was very similar to what we know of Marie Antoinette's death, even though the real Jang Nok-soo died over two centuries before Marie Antoinette.
(The white clothes and being stripped of royal finery, getting blamed by the citizenry, their ending up in their respective royal positions in the first place as a result of expectation/desperation but proceeding to become spectacularly out of touch within the royal bubble and eventually being treated as symbols of royals being awful - I can see it.).
Overall, I really like the treatment of villains in the show, and the fact that aside from Choongwongoon, who as I said was just royal entitlement on legs and a symbol of the system, everyone else was written in a way that was almost sympathetic and made them that much more interesting.
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PakalanaPikake
May 21, 2017 at 5:42 PM
@36 pogo May 21, 2017 at 2:28 AM,
The sword of Damocles hanging over the Hongs for so long kept me apprehensive that something bad would come out of left field in one of those patented Korean Twists at the end that rips your heart out. Thankfully, I did not have to blow a gasket. ;-)
Regarding villains, I thought Kim Jung-Tae did a good job portraying Choongwongoon the Loathsome. I was surprised to realize he was in the films THE CLASSIC, WINDSTRUCK, and DUELIST. He managed to extract a modicum of pity from me when he realized that Song Sabu had betrayed him.
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cloveredlioness
May 24, 2017 at 6:56 AM
For the longest time I thought that Soboori would bite it simply because he was the oldest Hongvenger. But I'm so glad he didn't because he's been with us since the beginning and he's one of my favourites.
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37 oppaigoo
May 21, 2017 at 6:39 AM
Splendid Ending!
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38 pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
May 21, 2017 at 6:39 AM
Also, re: the continuing story, I'd been really worried about how Gil-dong & Co. were going to come through the reign of Yeonsangun's successor, Jeongjeong, because there's no way the Hongs would credibly sit out a third literati purge - but I'm glad the drama tackled that too AND made the point that this is politics and even the people taking down the tyrant are very much imperfect leaders who may well become tyrants in their own time unless stopped. It's a more nuanced treatment of events than the usual ding-dong-the-evil-witch-is-dead way kdramas tend to go after a bad authority figure goes down.
Ultimately, I like that the point the drama makes is that almost all these villains, on their own, had the potential to NOT be such terrible people, but were the products of environments and choices that led them into becoming the worst - even Lady Park (who should be addressed by her own family name instead of as Lady Jo), as she dies, her literal last words express regret over not being able to fulfil a relatively simple desire to see Mount Geumgang because she was a woman - yet another victim of the system who, denied of agency, embraces a system and ideology that make others suffer.Also, her and Jeong-hak's end was set up to recall Amogae to an uncanny degree - and iirc, the Jos had actually thrown out Eop-san's old and ill grandfather to die in their day. Talk about poetic justice indeed.
I have similar feelings about Nok-soo and her hellbent rigidity on choice, even to the point of choosing death over the escape Gil-dong offered her (in a weird way, it feels like Ga-ryung doesn't actually hate or bear a grudge against her for her role in exposing her, and I'm guessing, if he was told, neither does Gil-dong). That last bow to the king as she came off the throne was incredibly dignified, but heartbreaking - she knows Yeonsangun's chickens have come home to roost, and they're coming for her too. For years, she's been focused on survival and cementing her position, in a way that's very inwardly focused and didn't actually allow herself to contemplate the damage Yeonsangun was inflicting on others - except in brief moments when she becomes aware of it, like apologising for causing trouble by asking for watermelons from Ming (draining the exchequer). And given the circumstances, I'm not surprised she preferred to keep her head in the sand. But it's doubly sad when she encounters Gil-dong and Ga-ryung, who have not had that option, and who are two of the only three people in the world who care for her - and ends up betraying Ga-ryung because she can't face the idea that her choice (an understandable one at the time) might have been wrong. And it's even sadder that in trying to avenge the wrongs of her past and make a better life for herself, she ultimately suffered an even worse fate. I've loved Honey Lee's portrayal of Nok-soo - she really lived up to the depth and tragedy of that name, and magnificently.
As for...
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May 21, 2017 at 6:54 AM
.....As for Yeonsangun, he's another one - a figure who could have so easily been sympathetic (and was, given the difficult circumstances of his early life and upbringing), but ultimately reveals himself as funadmentally unfit to wield the power a ruler does. He's not entirely without feeling - he clearly had a very strong attachment to Nok-soo and to Ja-won - but it's hard not to come away with the feeling that he might perhaps have been better off if he wasn't a prince.
One of the most brilliant things about this show (among the many brilliant things) is that almost every single villain is someone who, with a single tweak, we could easily see as a hero figure - and in fact DO often see as protagonists and heroes in many other sageuks.
The young king/prince engaged in a power struggle against ministers with an agenda who are rigidly bound to known norms of government? Check. The nobleman whose parent was murdered, and who was raised in poverty as a result, until his own brilliance and dedicated service to the king lifts him out of it? Check. The wise old teacher taking in poor but brilliant students to mould into pillars of Confucian values? Check. Heck, even the devoted old widow who sacrifices her own meals to raise her son and give him the best opportunities he can get? Check.
I mean, even Nok-soo and Mori - the anti-heroine and antihero of the show, rather than actual villains - are people who, in other stories, could very easily have been the leads.
And I've really liked the show's approach to its villains in general. The Jo family and Choongwongoon are it for the first half, and the Hongs - first Ahmogae and then Gil-dong - deal with them accordingly. But once the king and Song Sabu enter the picture as villains, I like how Choongwongoon is no longer priority (and Jeong-hak's basically small fry aside from his ore recent history with Gil-hyun) and the entire scope of the story opens up because the targets are that much more epic.
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PakalanaPikake
May 21, 2017 at 6:36 PM
@38 pogo May 21, 2017 at 6:39 AM:
Brava! Great summation, pogo! I couldn't agree more. ;-)
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cloveredlioness
May 24, 2017 at 6:34 AM
It really goes back to follow one of the main themes of this drama which is the choices one makes from what is given. Jeong-hak very well could have been a hero. He could have grown beyond his circumstances and become one of the Hongvengers, but he was hamstrung by his cultural baggage from his mom, viewing himself as superior to others and ultimately, the revelation that his father was killed by servants was not the poison that started things on his path. He chose to ignore the plight of others. He is also someone who is unable to make decisions...hence being unable to kill his mistress at the end despite what she had done. He talks a big talk, but he's a coward through and through.
One thing I like about Nok-soo is that she owns up to the choices that she made. At the end, when she chooses death with Yeonsangun, it's almost like she sees this as what she deserves, her punishment for her choices and repentance...but maybe also redemption. She once said she doesn't care if thousands of people call her evil or crazy, but as long as they didn't question her choices...
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39 cloveredlioness
May 21, 2017 at 8:21 AM
I'm just going to go into some very brief things before I wander back into the last recap to get my random thoughts in order lol.
Anyway...Gil-dong and Ga-ryung better be careful or it's going to be 20 to 30 kids and not just 10 lol. That was a hot kiss lol. I was surprised to learn that Ga-ryung fell in love/had Ga-ryung enter his heart so early! I mean, it was surprising but also incredibly sweet. But I totally thought it was sometime during episode 9. It also made the scene where he gets out of the room after wrenching away Ga-ryung's hand to think about Nok-soo all the more meaningful...He was doing his damndest to cling onto his feelings for Nok-soo. And it also makes his words to his mom (at her grave) telling her that Ga-ryung wasn't the woman he'd told her about all the more interesting...He was hiding his feelings for her even then. Even if the affection was platonic. He's been running from them for a looooong time. But that scene always struck me as a bit of the old 'He doth protest too much' and mom obviously having the sense to know his feelings even beyond the grave lol. So I guess Gil-dong's feelings for Ga-ryung was obvious to everyone who knew him except himself. (Dad, the Hongvengers lol)
I'm also a tad curious as to when they conceived their first kid...Was it before Gil-dong had his flashback/potential conception dream when he was in jail or was it more in Hyangjumok? Because if it was before he was jailed...it would mean Gil-dong had a conception dream, if not, they had a rebel baby lol. I'm happy either way lol. OTOH, I think when the Hongvengers refer to Gil-ryung making a third mighty child, they count Gil-dong as the first and their baby as the second.
I kind of love that they pretty much paralleled all the shipping moments for Gil-ryung on the show. They even found a way to play around with the prank reunion where they made Ga-ryung believe that he had died...except this time, Gil-dong is totally warm towards her. And when he ran up with her bridal style onto the podium, it just felt like a fourth wall breaking goodbye for the audience with our characters.
I do think the writer was intentionally ambiguous with what Ok-ran/Mori's relationship really is...whether it's a brotherly orabeoni or a potentially romantic orabeoni. Either way, they're parallels to Gil-dong's relationships with Ga-ryung and Eorini. Mori is either going to tsundere himself into a romantic relationship with Ok-ran a la Gil-ryung, or he's going to be reunited with his long lost sister a la Eorini. It's a parallel for the two mighty children and a way to play both sides lol.
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cloveredlioness
May 21, 2017 at 8:30 AM
I really do think Gil-dong was really caught off guard by the depth of his feelings for Ga-ryung, whether they started off platonically and evolved into something romantic or if he always had something for her. Either that or he just felt and loved her so strongly that he felt the only way he could show his feelings or take care of her was to run away from her since he never wanted to have any woman he cared for the way his dad loved his mom to be around the thug life that killed her. He was willing to sacrifice his own happiness with her to keep her safe.
And I don't think he quite realized how much he had pushed his feelings for her aside until she left after he rejected her and it just messed him up hard. It almost makes me want to see a scene with him right after Ga-ryung leaves and what ultimately gives him the final push to go after her and confess.
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May 21, 2017 at 9:03 AM
I really liked the way the Gil-ryung couple's story happened, simply because they DON'T pull the 'fated first love' angle and actually just let proximity and mutual feelings (and eventually, shared goals) take their natural course.
Sure, if Nok-soo had stayed and waited for him, he may well have never returned Ga-ryung's feelings or seen her as a viable romantic prospect (though he certainly had enough gumption to be flirting with her - with both women - when they first met). And maybe Ga-ryung would have eventually given up on him for being off-limits then.
But that's not what happened, and it's a large part of the point this drama makes - that choices play a large hand in fate. And Ga-ryung staying back and tagging along with Gil-dong and eventually becoming a part of the family did more than any prophecy or fate setup could have. (even if Gil-dong did try his damnedest to ignore her or cling to his feelings for Nok-soo)
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cloveredlioness
May 23, 2017 at 8:45 AM
The fact that so much of this drama is about the individual choices characters make is what makes it so good. Their love is built on choices...Ga-ryung's to follow and stay with him and Gil-dong's to have her by his side instead of letting her go. And I also think that by having these two develop their relationship naturally instead of having it merely based on fate, it allowed us to root for it more. You just want so bad initially for Gil-dong to notice Ga-ryung and adore her just as much as you do and return her feelings.
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latteholic
May 24, 2017 at 4:59 AM
I also love that aspect of their relationship. She chose to stay and wait and he chose to not let her go and finally acknowledged his feelings. It's funny that GilDong did say that if he ever meet with NokSoo again (during their first meeting) then they are fated to be together (or something in that line, I couldn't quite recall the exact line).
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PakalanaPikake
May 24, 2017 at 1:27 PM
Which just goes to show that even if fate is involved, one's free will and choices do matter, and can trump destiny. We may be born with red strings, but the red strings we consciously cut (Nok-soo) or secure for ourselves (Ga-ryung) are the ones that matter. ;-)
latteholic
May 24, 2017 at 5:43 PM
@pakalanapikake ah yes, thanks for summing it up wonderfully! That's the conclusion I was going for but I struggled to put it down in words this morning without being caffeinated first ?
cloveredlioness
May 25, 2017 at 8:05 AM
I think there was a measure of fate in Gil-dong meeting both women. But free will is also important and their choices kind of trumped the whole fate of the matter for both things. I honestly think the first time Gil-dong threw out the line that if he and Gong-hwa met again, it would be fate, he was just feeding her a line that meant nothing. Their relationship started to have significance based on their time spent together.
If you're talking about a fateful setup...I think Gil-ryung had more of that happen for them...but in a subtle way, since like you said, it was their own decisions which drove them together. The way they frame Ga-ryung and Gil-dong meeting Gil-dong isn't a spectacularly fateful moment, but she's this almost mystical/mysterious/magical figure that sort of crashes into his world when she beckons him to come with her. She drives him towards her. She's the driving force of the plot here.
I think also because of the way the drama starts out with Gil-ryung sharing scenes together...I just always knew they had to be significant to each other...in an almost fateful manner.
I almost feel like the opposite is true for Nok-soo and Gil-dong...that they were almost fated to never be together.
enkeys
May 21, 2017 at 11:37 AM
The moment I knew he has fallen for Ga-ryung was when Eop-san playfully knocks Ga-ryung's head. Right after that, he swings something (was it a liquor bottle?) at Eop-san. He is clearly being jealous because Eop-san is doing a skinship(?) with her. If she's just a sister to him, he wouldn't do that, I mean, this is the brother who teases Eorini any chance he got.
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PakalanaPikake
May 21, 2017 at 7:07 PM
Yes, that was the Moment Of Truth. ;-)
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latteholic
May 21, 2017 at 7:17 PM
I agree! He was totally jealous of Eobsan there.
I remember getting all giddy because I thought that my ship finally sailed, but then episode 14 happened where he said he will be her real orabeoni and I was like "don't tell me my ship just sank" and then ep 16 happened and I was back to "YESSS. MY SHIP REALLY SAILED!" ?
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cloveredlioness
May 23, 2017 at 8:50 AM
He puffed up his chest and basically used his physicality to get Eobsan to back off. It was SUPER OTT as an reaction from Gil-dong. Episode 10 has so many moments where Gil-dong reveals his budding feelings for Ga-ryung but also runs away from them. But his uncles totally know what's up...like when they're all eating and Ga-ryung comes out to make sure his health is intact and he shoos her away while Ilchung and Soboori shoot knowing looks at him.
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cloveredlioness
May 23, 2017 at 8:55 AM
I also love the moment where he goes out of his way to heat a rock for her to sleep with because she mentions that she gets cold at night...then shoots down Soboori when he says that Ga-ryung likes him, but proceeds to tuck her in and settle in the rock with her. It's sooo not platonic.
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latteholic
May 24, 2017 at 5:31 AM
I loved that moment too. It's just that he thought of her as Eorini right after, so it made it a bit unclear again for me if he really likes her or if she reminds him only of Eorini. But now thinking about it again, I guess it's because of how she kept calling him orabeoni that made him think of Eorini at that time.
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PakalanaPikake
May 24, 2017 at 1:20 PM
And as if to underscore the sisterzoning of Ga-ryung, she gave HGD the Eorini treatment, har. ;-)
cloveredlioness
May 25, 2017 at 8:12 AM
Totally. I think as confusing as it was for the audience...it was also confusing for Gil-dong. Because Ga-ryung is probably the first female outside his family that he conferred these really strong feelings of protection and cherishing. So I don't think he can really separate if these feelings are platonic or romantic at that point and the only thing he can associate that with is his sister. So he thinks it's platonic and wants it to be that way too. But it's also why he doesn't know exactly when his feelings for Ga-ryung shifted. But the thing is...he's never had totally platonic feelings for her either.
PakalanaPikake
May 21, 2017 at 7:03 PM
@39 cloveredlioness May 21, 2017 at 8:21 AM
Re: conception dreams. The way time flows in this drama is so mystical that I have no idea how long Ga-ryung was actually at court. For all we know, it's maybe been 3-4 months, and I'd wager that she conceived when Gil-dong made that pit stop in between missions before he turned himself in. That would have been the last opportunity before she was rescued from the stake -- and then she was unconscious for a spell. It made perfect sense to me that pregnancy was a factor in her delayed return to consciousness.
While it doesn't rate as a dream per se, I think there was a subtle reference to Jin-sang's conception dream in OH HAE-YOUNG AGAIN. Kim Ji-suk's wacky lawyer character dreams of a fish, which thrills noona Soo-Kyung, who recognizes it as a conception dream. In REBEL, there's a scene of a fish leaping in the rapids. It looks like a salmon swimming to its native spawning grounds.
Re: HGD's realization that Ga-ryung is in his heart. I still haven't forgotten when Ga-ryung smacked him in the chops at the first gibang when he said something to Gong-hwa that her maid did not like. I think that was the first time she really registered on his radar. Call it foreshadowing of things to come. ;-)
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cloveredlioness
May 23, 2017 at 8:39 AM
I would not be surprised if they conceived their baby during his brief furlough lol. But I don't think Ga-ryung would have gone to the palace or been so willing to risk her life had she realized then she was pregnant with Gil-dong's child. I don't think that consideration really came into her mind...Gil-dong's death and being at the palace was probably a lot of stress so she probably didn't know she was pregnant probably until after she got shot by Gil-dong. Because the costuming for episode 29 and 30 really did make her look pregnant.
Given how early Ga-ryung had entered his heart, I would not be surprised if the one he had mentioned as being attractive in episode 5 really being Ga-ryung.
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May 21, 2017 at 9:23 AM
Also, obligatory reference to how on-the-nose this drama was with its politics - I can certainly see the parallels being made with contemporary Korean politics, but I've seen more than one comment here and on soompi, drawing links between the situation in the drama and another (not Korean) easily angered, incompetent, egomaniac political leader whom certain people would like to remove from his post along with the people who enable him.
And on that subject, I've really, really appreciated the position that Gil-dong has in the rebellion, and I like that, aside from his incredible strength, he started off as somewhat ordinary - he has the street smarts, sure, but Gil-hyun is a better strategist and more of an intellectual (he'd be Hermione to Gil-dong's Harry Potter). And I like that he may be the face of the rebellion and the leader on the frontlines, but his strength isn't going to solve all problems and the real force behind it is the people themselves.
It's very Harry Potter-like, in a way (Harry having become a resistance icon as a baby and turning out a wizard of relatively average skill but great persistence/practice in a certain field).
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enkeys
May 21, 2017 at 11:40 AM
I see Harry Potter, I click thumbs up. But really, it is a really well done comparison :)
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41 pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
May 21, 2017 at 10:01 AM
Also, I couldn't help noticing how Gil-dong's story seemed to fit the hero's journey arc :
Going by the Joseph Campbell version in The Hero With A Thousand Faces, here's how I think it could go:
The Call to Adventure: - little Gil-dong's initial discovery of his strength, even if it was by accident/mistake (the flying basin incident). Or maybe the unknown tiger incident?
Refusal of the call: Little Gil-dong forgetting about his powers and growing up ordinary, just super tall.
Supernatural aid: the return of Gil-dong's powers when Eorini is kidnapped (or could be earlier, when Amogae planted the tree and had the shaman bless it)
Crossing the First Threshold: (leaving the known limits of his or her world and entering one without limits) - Gil-dong at the gibang?
The Belly of the Whale: (final separation from the hero's known world and self. By entering this stage, the person shows willingness to undergo a metamorphosis. When first entering the stage the hero may encounter a minor danger or set back.) - Gil-dong's memory loss at the gibang?
(....tbc, I'm dead tired)
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enkeys
May 21, 2017 at 11:41 AM
I was absentmindedly reading and burst out laughing at "just super tall" LOL!
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nico8
May 22, 2017 at 7:13 AM
^ yet another reason why yoon kyun sang is perfect for this role haha
It's still amusing to me when the Hongvengers are all lined up and the camera, instead of panning straight across, has to go up a bit diagonally so that YKS's head stays in the shot ?
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cloveredlioness
May 23, 2017 at 8:23 AM
With the hero's journey...I would almost say that Gil-dong's journey as an adult follows the arc more.
The Call to Adventure for Gil-dong is probably having his entire family ruined by Heo Tae Hak and being forced to take over Amogae's criminal enterprise. While the Refusal of the Call, I would say is best illustrated in episodes 15 and 16. He refuses to listen to the mudang and gets mad at having to help the nobleman get revenge for his halfbrother. The supernatural aid is probably the return of his powers after nearly being killed by Yeonsangun and breaking out of prison. Crossing the first threshold is probably Gil-dong winning over the people and standing up for those in Hyangjumok. Then, the Belly of the Whale would be his choice to shoot Ga-ryung with the arrow. His ultimate sacrifice really causes the rebellion to boil over and succeed.
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42 applecrumble
May 21, 2017 at 10:03 PM
Sometimes even the usual 16-episode long series can be very draggy, but for Rebel, despite the 30 episodes, I didn't have the need to fast forward any scene and each episode just went by so fast! This drama wasn't in my radar at all. I just happened to watch a bit of episode 1 and it just lured me to watch more!
I especially enjoyed Amogae's story. It's just sad that his beloved wife died early, and he didn't get to see Gil-hyun be a scholar and he didn't get to see Eorini grow up. The times when he was in jail, I really thought that would be the end of him, so I was really, really glad Amogae got to see Choongwongoon being exiled.
Initially I thought Soboori would be someone bad - thankfully he lived long! He could give Gil-dong's kids first-hand accounts of what their grandpa is like and all their adventures!
I like the friendship between Amogae and Eom too although I hate Eom's betrayal that caused the family and friends to split. But then, without that, there's no story! ;)
The part when Gil-dong was carrying Ga-ryung, I also saw that Yeong-gae also carried his love interest! So cute! What does "saeg-si" mean?
By the way, does anyone know or recall what happened to Eop-san's dad? The last scene with him that I remember was of him and Eop-san, before Eop-san and the rest of the Avengers were caught. I didn't think I see any more of him - did he die??
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keiru
May 21, 2017 at 10:11 PM
Saeg-si means wife (from the subtitle). And about Eop San's dad, I think he died from old age.. I saw no sight of him anymore in the Mudang's place
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PakalanaPikake
May 23, 2017 at 7:10 AM
@42 applecrumble May 21, 2017 at 10:03 PM:
Re: Eop-san's father, the scene when Mori was spying on father and son was the last one I recall seeing him in as well. It looked as if he'd had a stroke quite a few years before. It's amazing how long the old boy lasted after that. I don't think he was ever in Mudang's cave. I'd assumed he'd died of old age before that.
I'd had my misgivings about Soboori, too. But he pretty much ended up being the Ikhwari Elder's first mate. As for Magistrate Eom's betrayal, I didn't blame him. They'd been well and truly outmaneuvered by Choongwongoon and Heo Tae-hak. Eom Sado found a way to pull the chestnuts out of the fire, which meant that he never gave up. If he hadn't managed to survive, Amogae would have been truly dead meat.
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cloveredlioness
May 24, 2017 at 3:56 AM
I wish we could have checked in with him after episode 19 when the Hongvengers got captured because Eopsan visited him.
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latteholic
May 24, 2017 at 4:53 AM
yeah - I wish the same too. It's just that we saw him here and there and his last appearance felt like a bit like a plot convenience to enable Mori to catch the whole Hongvengers, because we didn't see him anymore after that.
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43 PakalanaPikake
May 23, 2017 at 9:32 AM
Yoo hoo, liina. Are you lurking? I've missed you. I hope that all's well with you. It's too quiet around here without your posts. Here's hoping that you're just taking care of real life stuff with your kindergartener. ;-)
Vielen Dank for making the REBEL recap threads extra-special by sharing so much background from the novel and its variations. It's been wonderful to discuss the show and its sources with you and the rest of the Noisy Beanies. ;-)
With warmest Aloha,
Pakalana
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44 keiru
May 23, 2017 at 8:07 PM
First Monday and Tuesday without Rebel. It feels so weird to have nothing to look for excitedly every week like I had done for the last 4 months. I need to start catching up and hope to find one or three enjoyable shows from recent dramas..
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latteholic
May 24, 2017 at 4:49 AM
I feel the same way! I started Circle and the opening scene was with little Soo Hak. It's like Circle trying to remind me that I used to watch Rebel at that particular time.
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PakalanaPikake
May 24, 2017 at 1:15 PM
Thanks for the reality check, latteholic! I'm watching CIRCLE, too. ;-)
I thought both of the lads looked familiar. I really got an ET vibe, but in a dark, creepy way. Poor Elliott was bicycling for his life. None of that happy floating-through-the-air stuff. Yet another (modern) fairy tale being deconstructed, no doubt. ;-)
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latteholic
May 24, 2017 at 6:28 PM
I also got this Stranger Things vibe from the opening scene. Just the way they shot it in the forrest and with fog and the bike, plus the background score sounds like something out of Stranger Things as well.
I enjoyed the show so far, on a cerebral level, but it hasn't quite gripped me yet. Yeo Jin Gu rocked his guyliner though!
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45 ahin
May 24, 2017 at 9:00 AM
i love dis drama
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46 PakalanaPikake
May 24, 2017 at 1:08 PM
I don't recall if I'd earlier seen the Washington Post review of Minsoo Kang's new Penguin Classic translation of The Story of Hong Gildong, but wanted to give the pointer. ;-)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/books/michael-dirda-reviews-koreas-version-of-robin-hood/2016/03/09/167213a4-e16f-11e5-9c36-e1902f6b6571_story.html#comments
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47 PakalanaPikake
May 25, 2017 at 10:30 PM
While reading Joo Jin-mo's latest casting news, I came across some clips of his musical performance in A FROZEN FLOWER (쌍화점; Ssanghwajeom) -- and suddenly realized that older Eorini's name Sang-hwa might have been a reference to the earlier film.
In addition to Joo Jin-mo's vocal and geomungo performance of the title song, Song Ji-Hyo sings "Gashiri (가시리)" (which also appeared in SIX FLYING DRAGONS) and accompanies herself on pipa. Enjoy! ;-)
Goryeo Gayo(고려가요): Korean folk song at the Goryeo Dynasty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCvniYXAaCs
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48 MagMag
May 27, 2017 at 12:31 AM
YES!! Mori finally joined the Hong gang!!! So Happy!!
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49 cloveredlioness
May 31, 2017 at 7:26 PM
I am suuuper late...but between work and just returning from overseas...well, things got pushed back lol. Anyway, Random Thoughts...The FINALE lol.
1. It’s interesting that it takes so long for Yeonsangun to finally get where his actions have taken him…but at the end, when they take away his power, he goes with a whimper and not a roar. He doesn’t really fight and he’s just resigned to his fate. All of his layers have been stripped off and what’s left is the coward. He also finally shows caring and stands up for Nok-soo…but it’s too late and it never seems to be romantic. I think they have love and affection…but not necessarily in a romantic sense. It’s much more platonic between them and more about companionship. There’s not the same desperation and pain, like their soul is being torn apart, that you get with Gil-dong and Ga-ryung in their life-threatening situations. Their relationship is very parent-child like even with the way Nok-soo fixes his robes and advises him to go down like the king he wasn’t when he ruled. And you feel that in the way he calls to her when she gets dragged off. Even the way Nok-soo defended Yeonsangun and bit off more than she could chew with Minister Park felt very sort of motherly to me. But ultimately, she is nothing now which is why Minister Park just swats her away pretty much.
2. I forgot to mention…not only do amethysts symbolize sincerity…but it’s because the stone is purple that they symbolize sincerity…so it’s also important that Nok-soo’s last outfit is purple and white. Purple for sincerity and white for death. So again, I think she’s taking her death with sincerity.
3. It must hurt to know that even the Empress Dowager supported the choosing of another king…Basically, she would have been the mother of the king…or in Yeonsangun’s case, one of his stepmothers, probably.
4. Even the way Shorty treats Yeonsangun is also like that of a child…and it’s no wonder he’s never grown up, nor had the maturity and wisdom of adulthood. It’s interesting seeing him in normal clothes that reflect the fact that he’s now a commoner, a nobleman…but still a commoner, because this time, it’s not a costume and he has no choice in the matter. Perhaps the greatest tragedy of Yeonsangun is that he’s never had anyone to really nurture him into adulthood, to show him his faults and to let him grow beyond them. Rather, they’ve all just enabled him.
5. It’s appropriate that Nok-soo goes to her death wearing white…For a character who we’ve always seen so adorned (except in a few circumstances), it’s definitely jarring. But it’s the end of the line and there’s no escape.
6. I do like that Gil-dong and Nok-soo get to share a last scene…but I do think like a lot of viewers that it does lack some closure to their relationship. But at the same time, I think too much has happened to them for their relationship to ever be anything more than that of vague strangers/acquaintances regardless. They just weren’t fated to be...
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cloveredlioness
May 31, 2017 at 7:26 PM
...and Nok-soo takes ownership of her choice in that matter. Gil-dong’s moved on…and I think it’s incredibly clear to Nok-soo that she will never have a place in Gil-dong’s heart the way Ga-ryung does. She was witness to how much Ga-ryung moves him and I think she knows that Gil-dong has never felt that strongly about her to begin with even though she places him on the pedestal. And I think it’s important that the staging puts Gil-dong above her to begin the scene…He finally steps off the pedestal she places him on.
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50 cloveredlioness
May 31, 2017 at 7:27 PM
More Random Thoughts:
7. And in their last scene, you don’t really feel as if they were once lovers. There’s not that sexual/romantic tension there. Because again, Gil-dong’s moved on and too much has happened. I do like that Gil-dong is willing to repay the favour to Nok-soo for saving his life though. But I do think what she tells Gil-dong is important, about how she saved his life/his body, but he saved her soul. Everything she has done for Gil-dong has only ever been earthly, she’s never been able to reach his soul. The contrast is that he’s entered her soul and that he’s saved her in all the ways a person can be saved. I don’t think anyone doubts that if Ga-ryung had died, Gil-dong’s soul would have been absolutely crushed. I think that is also a reason why Nok-soo chooses this end for herself…because Gil-dong saved her from being a complete monster by recognizing the artist in her and not just the whore. So because her soul has been saved, she has compassion and empathy which causes her to make this decision.
8. That moment when Gil-dong just has it set in that this is the last time that he’ll see Nok-soo though…and that she’s literally walking to her death. Like that ‘oh shit. She’s going to die.’
9. I think Nok-soo chooses to end her life not only out of a sense of repentance, because she’s not entirely unaware of herself and her actions, but also because she’s like Wolhamae…being an artist at the pinnacle. However, she also realizes she’s got nowhere left to go after this. If she survives, she has to hide. No one will ever let Jang Nok-soo, favourite concubine of Yeonsangun, live. So what kind of life would she be living? Clearly not one she has had before…on her terms. She would be broke and poor, the life she escaped. She would have no freedom, no power, she couldn’t be an artist…and she would be beholden to Gil-dong. All things that would be a hell for her. So she has no other choice but to meet her death. It’s the one thing she can control. The one thing she has left. So part of her choice is seeing her decisions and owning them to the end…but there’s also a pragmatic side to it…she has nowhere left to run.
10. It really is heartbreaking to see Nok-soo’s lament…because you see her sing this song about how bitter life and reality has been for her that even the retreat of dreams fail her. She wakes up all the time to bitterness. And it’s also probably why she wanted to keep Yeonsangun in his dreams…because they were so much better than what being awake was. It’s also heartbreaking because everyone throwing stones at her…those that call her names, things that she can take…they’ll never know her for the artist she was and in the end, she’ll die Sukyoung Jang, concubine, not Jang Nok-soo, artist. She’ll never be remembered for being the sound of Joseon. There’s just something so awful, base and primal about the way she dies.
11. There’s something interesting about focusing on Nok-soo’s shoes as she dies. It totally...
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cloveredlioness
May 31, 2017 at 7:29 PM
...reminds me of Eorini and her ‘death’. Only Nok-soo’s is unequivocally real.
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