Goblin writer Kim Eun-sook discusses her next project
by girlfriday
It’s only been a day since her last drama ended, but star writer Kim Eun-sook is already being asked about her next project. I guess there’s no rest when you’re in demand. Kim penned two hit dramas in 2016-17—KBS’s Descended From the Sun and tvN’s The Lonely Shining Goblin—and had a string of successful syndrome dramas before them (Heirs, A Gentleman’s Dignity, Secret Garden, Lovers in Paris), making her arguably one of the most surefire hitmakers in dramaland today. On the heels of her most recent success with Goblin, she talked about possibilities for her next project.
Her agency reported that Kim Eun-sook would be taking a three-month vacation, after which she plans to begin work on her next drama, which may be a sageuk. For now the projection is that the new show will air sometime next year. Can’t you hear the networks taking out their 2018 calendars and making bids already?
According to her agency, Kim has long been in interested in writing sageuk. Goblin was her first foray into a past era, though you might call it more like a toe-dip. The fantasy drama about immortal beings and reincarnated lives had some spectacular sequences and extended flashbacks set in Goryeo, where our characters’ timelines first began. I often thought the historical drama within the drama would’ve made for a great full-length series on its own, and was always happy when we got more scenes in Goryeo. (Also, the one time we briefly saw the goblin in Joseon, it made me want the spinoff drama Flower Scholar Goblin. He could fall in love with a crossdressing scholar!)
Kim reportedly started planning Goblin six years ago, with the desire to create a mythology rooted in Korean folklore that could rival the vampires and werewolves of other supernatural fiction. The historical backstory certainly gave the goblin lore the gravity it needed to make us believe that this character was 900 years old, as did his frequent sageuk manner of speech in the modern day, played for comedy. Overall it makes me pretty confident that she’d write a good sageuk. Besides, this is Kim Eun-sook, so it’s going to be a romance first and foremost anyway.
Kim Eun-sook’s next drama, whatever it may be, is being planned for a 2018 broadcast.
Via Munhwa
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1 elric
January 23, 2017 at 12:31 AM
I'm not a big fan of hers and Goblin's story was okay for me (technical wise though, it was spectacular) but I can see, after Goblin, she has the potential to create something truly amazing. I only wish she just fleshed out her plot and characters better.
I'll still be waiting for the announcement because as much as I hate myself, I'm curious as to what she will be writing next.
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I Quit
January 23, 2017 at 1:38 AM
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bips99
January 23, 2017 at 2:00 AM
I do wonder if its just casting popular actorz that make her dramas a hit? ... But then these actors have had flops too ... Sjk and GY are good actors but lmh is definitely not in the same league yet heirs was a big hit
So its not just star power
Its not acting prowess
What exactly is her secret...
#scratchinghead
I'm not trying to shade anyone, honestly i am curious.. I just wish i could pinpoint that she is successful bec of xyz.
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haha
January 23, 2017 at 3:09 AM
Just reminding that GY had flop too -whisper BIG- and he only make a come back in drama because KES is a hit maker
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bips99
January 23, 2017 at 5:27 AM
i know. thats why i said its not just a matter of casting top actors. they too have a flop. but never a flop with her. she knows some secret to ratings that the rest of the world cannot decode
haha
January 23, 2017 at 3:11 AM
She knows what people/ women want and is able to keep up with the trends.
I don't love her but she is one smart woman
Not to mention her casting is always A+++
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Serendipity
January 23, 2017 at 3:36 AM
That's that :-)
Emma
January 23, 2017 at 4:14 AM
@haha
You have a nice way to insult women... "these dramas are crap = "women" love these drama = which is another proof that these dramas are crap...
It's not because you do not like something that it doesn't have qualities, you know. The world doesn,t turn arount yourself.
bigmomma12345
January 23, 2017 at 9:46 AM
@haha - I think you have hit the nail on the head. She DOES have a sense for what her audience wants and delivers it well, for the most part. I don't always love every detail but have enjoyed the 3 dramas of hers that I've seen (DoTS, SG, Goblin) because they are a good mix of the elements I enjoy - romance, comedy, melo, with some supernatural mixed in at times. She has a magic touch for sure.
haha
January 23, 2017 at 12:27 PM
I'm a woman too. But it's what it is...
You are just in denial.
Her male leads are always rich, love 1 woman and would do anything. Her female leads can be bank and poor as most audience can relate with her.
alua
January 23, 2017 at 2:31 PM
She definitely doesn't know what I want. Can't stand her dramas. Too superficial and clichéd and particularly (but not only) her female characters are not what I want in a drama (I can never relate to them, too little self-agency, too much needing rich/strong/wealthy/etc prince-hero).
She usually gets (mostly) good actors, but she hasn't yet managed to lure my favourite actors (the ones I'll watch anything for) – possibly because the few that I'll really watch anything for seem to have very similar standards in choosing a project as I have for watching one – and KES's work just doesn't fit that....
news
January 23, 2017 at 5:14 PM
@alua
I'd only watch her dramas for Won Bin and Kang Dong-Won. Otherwise, pass.
Quinze
January 23, 2017 at 5:23 PM
Yeah, to be honest, I think it's a combination of pretty people with an interesting or catchy premise with the added bonus of beautiful locations (Heirs in Cali, Goblin in Quebec, Descended in wherever the f that made up country was...) and just the dramas being so pretty. It's basically pretty people doing things while thinking prettily.
Her plots are always so thin despite her having so much time and world building to work with, but I think it's because there's not much thinking involved that people can enjoy the visuals. Sometimes, you just want to enjoy a pretty show without delving very far into it. Goblin was literally the length of a small movie but I realized we spent the majority of that time just circling over one point over and over and over.
That said as much as I get frustrated by them, DotS was, for the most part, an easy watch with lots of skipping. And Goblin, if you had time to kill, you could just shut your brain off and watch for the pretty. Which makes me think it was a brilliant idea to make it a Fri-Sat drama. That's not to say I didn't love aspects of the dramas, but there's just this awareness of the giant smokescreen she's implementing that I have to get through before I can sit down and enjoy it.
@haha, I get the point you're making but really let's not generalize all women with a broad stroke. We've been dealing with that shit from society as is, no need to demean our own intelligence and agency.
haha
January 23, 2017 at 8:45 PM
@alua: You aren't her audience then. She doesn't need to please everyone.
Korea is her target market and audience. And she hasn't failed once. In fact most of her recent dramas are international hits too
I don't love her as writer either.... But the woman clearly know what her audience like and you and I don't necessarily be included
haha
January 23, 2017 at 9:04 PM
@Quinze I agree with my point too but I still stand with my points.
As sad as it is it's the true... Her main audience in Korea is women. Most people here are women who fangirling about all the male actors more than anything while bash most actresses all the time. Her male leads are god and people love their images. That's why there wasn't much diversity and interesting roles for females... in small or big screen while people are complaining why the actresses are taking the same roles...
Actors always draw more crowds. Have you wondered why it's easy for actors to make fanmeeting tour but there hasn't been that many actresses doing that?
The main audience are females and KES's lead is tall, handsome, manly, rich , powerful, loves and would do anything for 1 poor average woman.
She gives all the best for her male lead and make her female lead suffer all her life... and the link to the male lead.
I'm actually feminist too... But we are talking about how KES hasn't failed yet... I don't have anything against her. In fact I think and respect she is one smart lady that know her target market. I don't pretend we live in a perfect world that every female care for all the female either when I see fans bashing actresses and defend the worse actors all the time. It's sad... But hopefully there might be a chance when people realize how bad they are doing.
heradom
January 23, 2017 at 11:12 PM
@haha ah what do I have to do to convince you that i like goblin for the interesting themes explored, the extremely strong directing, and the strength of the actors all round? i don't switch off my brain in this drama. i do find people who dismiss the drama as girls swooning over an all-powerful being insulting because its such a broad-brush to paint people with.
agree of course that KES's female characters don't get much development, and we are solely lacking great female actresses given great meaty roles that really make you sit up and take notice like guys. I could list fewer female actresses that have really impressed me compared to men, and its more about opportunities than talent because look at the praises sung of KGE when she was given space to take her character beyond merely reactionary.
alua
January 24, 2017 at 12:55 AM
Of course I'm not her audience.
But I quote your all-inclusive claim: "She knows what people/ women want".
I'm only disagreeing with that.
haha
January 26, 2017 at 10:27 PM
@alua My answer was for the question what is her secret of having all the hit drama.
I didn't say she know what everyone want. She is a korea writer and her drama server mainly for her korean audience. I'm sure she doesn't give a damn about what you or me think of her drama when she break record everytime
The people I implied are those people that love her dramas everytime she release it, not everyone on earth, mind you
haha
January 26, 2017 at 10:31 PM
@gravity I answer in general. Of course nothing is 100% and I don't talk about you or me but generally her formula each time that hasn't changed or failed.
She even aware of her the lacking of her female lead writing and promised to do better with KGE's role.
reset
January 23, 2017 at 3:33 AM
it's a handsome male lead physycally and have the hero+overpower attitude that most woman will love so they wouldn't question much more
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bips99
January 23, 2017 at 5:32 AM
DOTS were Not really alpha males overpowering the damsel in distress. the women stood their own
and goblin too, you really cannot club the goblin or the grim reaper into the jerk-alpha male category of heirs or secret garden. in fact both of them (despite being all powerful) were complete dorks
reset
January 23, 2017 at 8:43 AM
@bipps
what I mean is that no one actually care about the girl characterisation when the male is swoon worthy and looks very worthed,
it wasn't a jerk or no jerk attitude but the man that woman will go crazy about, that's the secret,
make an over power male character with wealth or godlike power then add a good looking actor with trusted acting choice, make them do the swoon-worthy things,
that's all and the majority of female watchers wouldn't complaint or even looked at other characters
bips99
January 23, 2017 at 9:34 AM
@reset
that is actually true. You are so right. She does not write females well at all.
she herself said in the goblin interview that KGE had certain reservations on how she writes her female characters and she supposedly assured KGE that she has taken special care to write the female this time. I actually liked Eun tak but its pretty obvious that all her effort primarily goes in writing swoony heroes.
bigmomma12345
January 23, 2017 at 9:59 AM
@reset - hmmm, I'm not sure I agree with the term "overpower attitude". I'm never looking for a hero that overpowers the girl, that can sound/seem negative. I do like a strong hero (whether it is physically, financially, emotionally, morally or in his character) but prefer one who is willing to sacrifice for his girl because he considers her more important than said strength. (and I expect the girl to consider the man as most important as well.)
Partners, with different yet complementary strengths.
I think we saw this in DoTS pretty clearly - especially regarding the Song/Song couple's opposing viewpoints on the use of violence and the goals of their jobs. Neither overpowered the other and both were given room to consider their stance and adjust as needed. They ended up building their relationship despite the differences but I could have envisioned an ending where they chose to go their separate ways because of them as well.
reset
January 23, 2017 at 11:01 AM
@dramamama
I used overpowered too loosely, what I mean is like in super power movie that they don't lack anything,
the male lead are not just handsome, so fit physically but also either a chaebol (with 3 generation wealth), god and very powerful human being aka super soldier,
there almost no flaws to the male character unless some fanservice things that people crave, like their childish banter with people they like/close and petty things , but this make them more human which is arguably a flaw either,
I don't mean a domination but character who have it all and surprisingly only need the woman appearance to make themselves complete and hurtful(or in pain like they couldn't find anyone else for "plot reason"),
the idea of sacrificing , especially from people who have it all is the general dream/fantasy in many people's mind and this is the aim of almost evert kim eun sook's drama,
I hardly find the character that starts from the bottom or ordinary and then changes their life, they always the genius/powerful/rich from the start with prestigious family/colleagues to boots,
it always the duty for the female character to start from the bottom and took the lift easily to the 30th floor after meets the man (that sadly most often written half-heartedly) and the man is obviously already have it all to live normally,
Emma
January 23, 2017 at 11:23 AM
Are you saying that women are stupid? This comment is insulting!
reset
January 23, 2017 at 1:11 PM
@emma
you read it too much,
KES make a perfect male lead with good actor and that's how it becomes popular,
How many comments that you've seen mentioning that the male lead is the reason they watched and stay with the drama
and this is vice versa with hot girl relation to male dominated viewer,
people want to be treated like a king and that isn't exactly a fault,
but to claim that many KES popular work is based on story or writing is just as absurd as how you interpreted my words,
she made a perfect hero with their imperfectness + good physical appearance + great acting and that what makes it super popular,
not because woman are stupid but because it cater to most of people's fantasy/wish and not to logic and world building or even coherent plot,
- if you think that those woman that is probably projected
by euntak are stupid, it's on you, they just shallow and love what looks good (personall opinion) -
I think they are the target consumer, they didn't watch goblin for the plot, they just want to live in the fantasy of being loved by a deity,
they can be happy and make the drama popular but still doesn't make the drama instantly a masterpiece,
people have their own romance preference but being "the one that make he sacrificed all of him " is what the general audience who mostly woman seems to cater,
I hope people would be more honest than making thousand post about how the drama has way more depth than what it shown,
Quinze
January 23, 2017 at 5:32 PM
lol @reset, I think the word you may have been reaching for was a handsome, capable man who happens to be super rich as well. He might be a giant dork and completely gone for the female lead but his masculinity has to be swoonworthy.
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January 23, 2017 at 4:45 AM
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sargevee
January 23, 2017 at 6:48 PM
I think it's because she writes super entertaining bromances
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alasecond
January 24, 2017 at 7:31 AM
I'd say
1. Directors are always good - if one messes up this, no one can save the ship.. drama is bound to doom
2. Drop dead gorgeous extremely famous faces who can act brilliantly being irrevocably in love ... that will always get women's attention
3. Style of humour - this is one thing i appreciate about her writing.. of the series i have watched.. humour is always on point in an understated manner.. i have not seen her devolve into slapstick comedy
4. Healthy dose of humour, drama, passionate angsty romance.. AND romance sells..
ANd that's where she gets lucky.. because to be honest her dramas are criticized, even while watching they are criticized.. exactly on lines of boys before flower..
Romance sells, good looking faces angsty romance good actors good director decent humour.. ALWAYS sells in any language in any geography
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Moko
March 24, 2017 at 7:56 PM
For Goblin: directing
For me it was definitely the directing and fact that I bingewatched this drama that I was able to finish it. I marveled at the lightning, the sets, the colors, the architecture...etc. Every time the editing sucked I got really upset, or was it a mistake of by the director? I think the director was really good in quiet moments and the editing complemented it well, but at every moment something sudden was supposed to happened the editing reeeeeaaaaaaally sucked. But bc this show is rich of slow melancholic moments I really didn't care about the oh so thin plot.
For DOTS:
The actors: I like Song Jong Ki (A LOT bc he's so cheesy) and Song Hye Gyo is so pretty.
SG: obviously the bickering, the comedy felt on point here and I liked the tough looking Ha Ji Won, which really felt fresh at that time (after watching stuff like BOF)
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Kendi
January 23, 2017 at 2:07 AM
Ahahaha I feel for Kim Shin, I really did. Eun Tak won me over a bit after she turned 29 because she no longer behaved like she was possesed by 8 years old ghost.
But really, I also wonder what makes their love so grand? Their interaction is pretty much hours long CF with several head patting sessions as commercial break.
At least Reaper and Sunny has that whole reincarnation thing that justify their attraction and longing to one another.
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bips99
January 23, 2017 at 2:15 AM
For me it was the opposite... I loved the goryeo parts but why did the king and queen even love each other.. It was an arranged marriage but why did she love him, when did it happen.. Zilch... And in the present version it was all about the damn business card. Its strange isn't it how we watch the same thing but have viscerally different reactions to it :)
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Kendi
January 23, 2017 at 5:39 AM
Goryeo version has that ethereal/folktale feels to it.
Based on my experience watching sageuk, they fall in love for every little simple thing. That's why I kinda accepted the why she fell for her and her for him. Wasn't the MoonSun couple fell in love because Hwon fell and hovered over Yeon Woo because of a butterfly or something?
And we all swoon for the kiddie love story part before it turned angsty mopey love story.
Back to Goblin, for the modern counterpart, I demand more backbone to the story. Thats why I buy GxS but not KSxET.
Quinze
January 23, 2017 at 5:37 PM
Yeah tbh, the love between King and his Queen was far more epic than the Goblin and his bride. Like they literally spent 3 lifetimes falling in love with each other, twice ending in tragedy before making it to a happy ending (Which honestly, I would have loved to watch a drama between a cop and high end actress falling love and being equally crazy about each other..).
In contrast, the love between the Goblin and his young bride seems quaint...like how cute and also sad for him. But not really all that epic.
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Quinze
January 23, 2017 at 5:41 PM
Also yes to basically a good 20 minutes of that drama being dedicated to CFs from Subway to whatever brand that water/juice was to watches and purses and coats galore. Even a 'going to the mountain' plot for the necessary outdoor gear ppl...
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Serendipity
January 23, 2017 at 3:33 AM
My sentiments exactly,THANKS!
Her stories always have large loopholes and are full of contradictions but she surely knows how to cater to the preferences&tastes of the general viewer profile.
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Kendi
January 23, 2017 at 5:42 AM
Her gimmick game is strong, I'd give her that.
Goblin is probably the only drama where I can see her effort making the foundation but again fell flat on the execution.
And I can't watch DOTS without feeling second hand embarassment. Maybe I'm just immune to SJK cheesy charm.
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alasecond
January 24, 2017 at 7:35 AM
SJK cheesy charm.. lol.. have you watched werewolf boy..
he is a good actor, give credit where due ( romance/going ga ga over the actor is one's own perspective..am just commenting on acting talent)
elric
January 23, 2017 at 4:10 AM
I'm curious but a big factor will be the actors/actress. I wouldn't have watched Goblin if Kim Go-eun and Yoo Inna weren't casted. If the plot is as intriguing as Goblin, then who knows.
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MapleSilver
January 23, 2017 at 7:17 AM
And many wouldn't even have watched were it not for Gong Yoo and continued on because of Gong Yoo. So casting definitely plays a huge part in her success.
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Kafiyah Bello
January 23, 2017 at 2:36 PM
Gong Yoo is literally the only reason I watched Goblin, because otherwise I thought it was embarrassingly bad. I would have stopped at episode 1, if my love for him wasn't so strong. She tends to pick actors I really enjoy otherwise I have disliked all her dramas, without exception, even the ones I finished.
wapz
January 23, 2017 at 4:34 AM
I always end up with this nagging thought: ” WHAT WAS THE POINT?”
I completely felt this way for the end of Goblin when the entire show was based on a gonlin ending his immortality and then he decides to stay immortal in the end for a not so convincing romance at that too.
Now that I read your comment, I do realize that she has to work on her endings. Even though Goblin was better than most of her works, the ending was a little dissatisfactory and a bad ending can ruin an entire drama experience.
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January 23, 2017 at 4:51 AM
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MikoDee
January 23, 2017 at 12:46 PM
Exactly! Still don't get why KS&ET ended in that manner. So disappointing. To heck with poetic endings, KS deserved a kinder end to his hellish life.
The minute I saw this post, I rolled my eyes. Honestly, I don't think I will be watching any of her dramas for a whIle. Goblin left a bad taste in my mouth...
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salmon poke
January 23, 2017 at 6:52 AM
Yessss everything you said!! Her endings always leave me immensely dissatisfied. When I first started watching Goblin, i was so obsessed with it it was like I'm falling in love along with the characters...by the time the ending dragged by, I found myself left with only speechlessness and annoyance with the meandering plot, the pointless resolution and character developments that went nowhere (kind of like being in a breakup really). In Chinese we have a popular internet term "tao Lu," which basically means like a tried and proven set of "tricks" or "concepts" to up your chances of success, usually in the context of a guy trying to woo a girl (tbh not sure if I'm explaining this accurately enough so please google this if you're curious). For instance buying a girl breakfast to show how gentlemanly you are, or text her first thing in the morning and last thing at night to show you're thinking of her, etc. Anyway I find this writer's dramas to be full of "tao Lu" too, always with some alpha male with a boyish side that's almost too cute for words, an energetic female with some sass (but not enough to overpower the male), and lots and lots of scenes that make you go woooooohhhhh and swoon but which don't necessarily add any substance to the plot/story (Remember the milk foam kiss?). What sets her apart though is how she always has some interesting premise (like a body swap, or in this case a handsome lonely goblin) that immediately captures people's attention and make them momentarily forget about her tao lu's....but usually by midway the story gets thinner and thinner and you start wondering why you jumped into it in the first place... Anyway this is just what I got from watching her previous dramas and Goblin.. Maybe she'll improve with her sageuk?? Guess we'll have to wait but this time I'm definitely not getting my hopes up only to be left with the sour taste of a breakup again...
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salmon poke
January 23, 2017 at 6:54 AM
Ah Kendi called it!! Guess tao lu in Chinese just means gimmicks in English haha! Yep KES sure is full of gimmicks.
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siesta
January 23, 2017 at 6:52 AM
” WHAT WAS THE POINT?”
exactly. to me Goblin was 24 hours of nothingness except for a few really good moments here and there (i.e his death). i actually enjoyed DOTS more because it's shorter for one and with lots more action so i dont get bored too often.
i liken KES' dramas to junk food- enough flavor to get you addicted, yet ultimately full of empty calories. her witty bantering scenes are like MSG while the pretty is like sweeteners.
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leila
January 23, 2017 at 7:18 AM
junk food!! lmao thats hilarious! thats an amazing analogy haha
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some thoughts
January 23, 2017 at 7:11 AM
I liked the ending very much, though I can totally understand you because I felt exactly the same way until..... I thought about this?
When Eun-tak returned and repeated the exchange between her and Shin about an eternal sad love, it was thematically very beautiful if you consider the fact that he (and their (sad) love) will live on forever even when her 4 lives are used up. Just fulfilling Eun-tak's idea that she believes it to exist while he didn't and it shows the change in him- him actively choosing it because she changed his world and brought him happiness he wasn't privy to for a long time. And I guess it's really up to personal choice for these things. Some people regard a short bliss enough to last them for a lifetime (or in Shin's case, eternity) while others don't find it as worthwhile.
Also there is a possibility that maybe he thought he could find yet another open door to be with her in the end! That would be nice.
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pollyanna
January 23, 2017 at 7:41 AM
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Kendi
January 23, 2017 at 10:33 PM
I'll politely asked where the exit is if I have to brainwash myself or even better, come up with ten pages essay to justify why a certain ending is more poetic or philosophical.
And really, after having made us sit through those gazillion gratuitous CF...the writer got nerve to pull 'poetic' card?
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Memyself
January 23, 2017 at 5:34 PM
I guess even if you "didn’t feel Goblin's love was so great that he would accept an eternity of solitude just so he could live some short years with his human bride" he himself or the writer thought so ;) . But I have to say, even though they tried to package the love as this fateful larger than life "sad love", the execution fell short.
As for ET, the poor kid had temporary amnesia and did not know better. Also, its not like if she had not called him back, he would have moved on to afterlife. He had already chosen to stay behind in that place between life and death and whether she called him back or not, he would have continued his immortal life. At least in this world he gets to eat the meet that he loves??!
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D
January 23, 2017 at 5:56 PM
"WHAT WAS THE POINT?"
I know people don't want to see it, but for those who are genuinely interested in knowing, the point of Goblin was telling the tale of Kim Shin, a man who died in dishonor, who lived as a Goblin seeking death, in mental torture full of resentment for a king and eunuch, guilt too, and who then found love and happiness, and came back as a Shining and lonely god, now living, not to seek death, but to wait for a life with his love. A god who no longer has to live in guilt, or resentment, having seen his sister find happiness, helped his second in command and many others we were not shown, made peace with his king, taken revenge on the eunuch, and most importantly, made peace with living, having experienced that life can give happiness and love, and that even brief happiness and love is worth fighting for, is worth living for, even going as far as being in a tundra for that chance of living. A god who now acts as a shining guardian to all people, giving them miracles.
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Irine
January 23, 2017 at 6:27 PM
ROFL epic comment.
I hate to break it to people, but dramas aren't that deep. Most of the answers to "What was the point?" for fan-favorites dramas can be summarized in one line. Or two words for the most cases. "Happy ending." I like that Goblin went for more complex than that. It's happy, but not all answers to forever happiness were given, just clues and hope, and knowledge that the characters are at peace with the choices made.
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ssangchu
January 23, 2017 at 6:39 PM
yep, pretty much. people were stuck with the idea that the goblin had finish his end goal of dying from the beginning of the drama. but I'm absolutely glad he was more flexible than that. it was pretty clear early on he started to have reluctance on the idea of going away from earth and "find peace" after meeting Euntak. I'm glad he changed his mind and was able to come back and live, and not just live, but live with powers too. He's better off than most people if u think bout it. lol. He gets to cheat death and meet again and again and again his love, and play gods with humans. Most people die, forget everything, their love included and have to move on, whether they want it or not. Goblin gets his wish granted to move on once his punishment time is done, then gets to have the choice to go back once he changed his mind, and I'm pretty sure God will listen to him again if he pleads again to move on or whatnot. I'm not sure why peeps are so worried for him. Most people are lucky if they can find genuine love only once, and the memories of that is enough to become precious and carry them through hard times. He gets to do it multiple times. pffft.
alua
January 24, 2017 at 12:58 AM
Many aren't deep, but they can be.
Plus, there is a whole spectrum between surface thin and centre-of-the-earth deep.
Perfectly possibly to dig a bit deeper....
mehitable
January 24, 2017 at 9:31 PM
But you can easily summarize that epic comment in a single word or short line:
What was the point?
"Redemption"
Or, slightly longer "Forgiveness and redemption"
JohnandVan Jackson
January 23, 2017 at 10:30 PM
Well ^^^ said it was a story of Kim Shin and his journey.
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Zynn
January 23, 2017 at 7:52 PM
I only watch city hall, Secret garden and goblin. That's all
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MikoDee
January 24, 2017 at 7:04 AM
Oh, she wrote City Hall? Well that's one out of many she wrote that I truly loved from beginning to end.
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Aigoooo
January 24, 2017 at 12:36 AM
She is the biggest proponent of the oldest kdrama trope... rich guy - poor girl. Her stories may differ but her characters remain the same. It's always the same thing with her. Some tortured Chaebol-type guy gets entangled with a struggling, quirky candy type girl.
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Yaya
January 24, 2017 at 12:57 PM
So I am not the only, hmm?
The only drama of hers that I finished was The Heirs, to my regret. I started watching A Gentleman's Dignity, Decendents and Goblin, but I get lazy about watching them. Maybe someday in 2018.
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KDaddict
January 23, 2017 at 2:53 AM
Dramabeans is very consistent. Ppl here don't like Kim Eun Suk, Suzy, Lee Min Ho and his clothes, etc. These comments Not unexpected.
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Sojuboy
January 23, 2017 at 6:14 AM
Most of these creeps are here just to TROLLLLLLLLLLL....
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megan
January 23, 2017 at 6:33 AM
Don’t forget the unwarranted Park Shin-Hye hate™[about her kiss scenes and *always* playing damsel in distress roles with same expression and Heirs (2013), and how their *underrated* fave is soooo much better than her and she isn’t in the same level with their oppar...].
Also calling some actresses ’sponsor girls’ in casting news, oh and additionally comments about how Lee Jong-Suk’s nose is fake ore disturbing to them... Gotta love these commenters and their lack of eloquence and, possibly, common sense...
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Quinze
January 23, 2017 at 5:53 PM
Actually, I like all three and think their acting can be charming, but I do recognize that the criticisms they face have a sliver of truth to it. LMH has had some ridiculous threads that no matter how pretty he is, just can't be worn without a chuckle. Suzy does have a limit to her acting, I like her but even I realize that. KES...well, I actually don't really know what the criticism of her is specifically. Some people like pointing this stuff out as it's things that bother them. We as a fandom have huge discrepancies in our taste and while some people enjoy one thing, others can't get past it. You can't expect people to censor their opinion as much as you don't want yours to be censored.
Sometimes I don't like what I read either, I just scroll past it though because it has nothing to do with me. You just gotta find the KES, Suzy, and LMH lovers (Of which there should be plenty) and gush together in each others' posts. :)
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Zizi
January 23, 2017 at 3:46 AM
Just finished Goblin. I wish we could see more of an ending scene and their life afterwards. Who wants to set up petition? Maybe if we can get enough signatures, they might really shoot it for us? No? Please?
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Chizu
January 28, 2017 at 12:36 PM
Goblin started out with a strong start for me. I liked the background story and most of the actors/actresses. However, towards the latter parts of the story... it felt like a rehash of the same "reiterated" point; episodes after episodes. Running from death. Escaping death. Missing each other. Rebirth. A few moments of love here and there. Then... back to running from death and it cycles back from there.
I didn't know she wrote Descended too. I felt that Descended had the same slow phase as Goblin. I guess I'm not her target audience bec. though everyone else had been raving about Descended... (I did like the beginning, much like Goblin) I skipped a lot of the latter parts which felt like "rehashing" of the same reiterated points... much like Goblin.
It's like you can shorten her dramas in a few episodes and you would still get a total picture of the story.
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2 Adam
January 23, 2017 at 12:34 AM
She really has written awesome bromances, too. I think she could skip the romance altogether and let us enjoy some really heart-wrenching or utterly hilarious bromances. Or heart-wrenching and hilarious ones. You know, like Grimblin.
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YY Chats with Toast Between Bites
January 23, 2017 at 1:01 AM
Her next drama will be a fusion of her greatest hits: DoGS or Descendants of the Goblin.
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siesta
January 23, 2017 at 6:54 AM
A Goblin's Dignity
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Dramaqueen
January 23, 2017 at 11:56 AM
Secret Goblin?
Lovers in Quebec?
The Goblins: He Who Wishes to Live Forever, Endures the Eternal Blade?
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Ga
January 23, 2017 at 10:37 PM
Descendants of the Dignified Goblin who Live in Paris?
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Jamie Opso
January 24, 2017 at 6:21 PM
The Secret Dignity of a Goblin's Heirs?
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Chizu
January 28, 2017 at 12:38 PM
I agree!!! You are totally correct. Even Descended had bromance too.
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3 Diana
January 23, 2017 at 12:35 AM
I might be wrong about this, but so far in her career, I don't think there was a single drama she wrote which wasn't a ratings success. I think that's unheard of. She's like the Kim Yuna of drama scriptwriters, never off the podium.
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Ava
January 23, 2017 at 3:11 AM
as a big fan of Queen Yuna I like your reference)))))))))
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Haha
January 23, 2017 at 9:12 PM
They call her God-Sook because she hasn't failed yet...
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Fitri Iphiet
January 27, 2017 at 5:00 AM
i watched 10 of 11. i dunno if i am a fan, or her taste is just like mine. haha...
i think, she's a genius. she needs to make a thriller-crime story.
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4 Nadila Nadila
January 23, 2017 at 12:38 AM
I'm still waiting for the day for myself to be able to finish her dramas, I always start watching her drama because she cast my favorite actors and actress, and most of her work honestly has a good premise, but I tend to drop it in later the middle, I kind of... lost my interest.
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teacup
January 23, 2017 at 9:20 PM
No way, that's me also. I really want to finish her drama. I enjoyed most of her drama but always have to force myself to finish or sometimes I just can't. I did finished DOTS and Gentleman's Dignity after many months later. I still can't bring myself to continue Goblin, Heirs, and Secret Garden. And I hate not finishing up a drama.
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Ga
January 23, 2017 at 10:49 PM
I stopped DoTS at ep 12 (no matter how much I love SJK) because I couldn't handle the plot anymore. For Goblin, I once thought HOW boring some scenes were but I never stopped watching it. Oh well, I guess I love Gong Yoo more and that gave me supernatural power to endure countless repetitive scenes and led me safely to the end of the episode where he smiled to his first and last bride.
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Fitri Iphiet
January 27, 2017 at 5:03 AM
reading this makes me curious... i've watched most of her dramas, 10 of 11. finished 9 of 10. and like 8 of 9. Gentlemen dignity wasnt my fave. But then...preference. we cant judge, right. hehe...
am i the weird one here, haha
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Chizu
January 28, 2017 at 12:40 PM
That is totally me! I've watched both of her dramas and I get all excited, at first, watching them. However... towards the latter parts of the story... I just can't watch it anymore. I just want to skip all parts and just know the ending. I think it's the slow phase of her dramas towards the latter parts.
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5 Momo
January 23, 2017 at 12:41 AM
Kim Eun Sook nabs hottest leading men one at a time to add to her growing list of hits. I wonder who would be next.. Kim Soo Hyun seems to be one of the obvious choices but he may be in the army by then. I know she's courted Won Bin before and he doesn't look like to type to want to do a KES style project but maybe with DOTS and Goblin success, whichever network wins her work will just give Won Bin the whole universe to lure him back to drama land..
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bips99
January 23, 2017 at 2:18 AM
He might come back... I dont really watch kmovies but from comments in different threads i gathered that his movies have not really been all that successful.. Every actor looks for that elusive hit... Artistic/creative issues by damned!
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pigsnout
January 23, 2017 at 2:29 AM
Won Bin only has 5-6 movies in his filmography and they were all hits, look at figures from Korean Film Council website. Even stuff like Pieta and Guns&Talks did well.
That's why he has so much hype even now, because in the 10 years he did movies none of his movies ever flopped.
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bips99
January 23, 2017 at 2:40 AM
Sorry. My bad. I got confused with Hyun bin. When his recent dating news came out people were commenting how its just media play bec his movie is coming out and he is not doing well.
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ShinDay6YK?
January 23, 2017 at 2:43 AM
Or maybe she will lure kang dong won back to dramaland? I read some interview that said he's ready to make some time to do drama because the working environment is surely improving as of now ?
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megan
January 23, 2017 at 6:37 AM
Yesss! Kang Dong-Won himself has expressed that he isn’t purposely avoiding drama land, he’s just waiting for a good offer
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Serendipity
January 23, 2017 at 3:40 AM
I'm waiting for Kim Nam Gil's comeback!
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6 celine
January 23, 2017 at 12:45 AM
Whoa I read she worked in Goblin three years prior to the announcement last year, but damn six years of planning? All those years paid off because Goblin is her best so far. She showed that she can do fantasy plus a story with more meat compared to her past works.
I do love the Goryeo parts in Goblin. Sohyun and Minjae were brilliant and those scenes gave viewers Gong Yoo in sageuk. Thank you very much.
Now, the question is who is KES next leading man and leading lady?
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juliesean
January 23, 2017 at 1:46 AM
After watching Gong Yoo in Goblin in sageuk wear and mane, I want to watch him in a sageuk next. Don't think I've seen him in one before this.
Goblin is not perfect but close. It is fantastic in execution and the great cast....I'm missing it already.
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Yippeuni
January 23, 2017 at 5:41 AM
LEE SEUNG GI WILL BE OUT OF SERVICE IN 2018....Please let it be him
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YY Chats with Toast Between Bites
January 23, 2017 at 6:37 AM
I think she'd pick someone who could be serious and funny at the same time. Gong Yoo and Lee Dong Wook were amazing, and switched effortlessly from one to the other. Song Joong-ki has that ability too. Kang Ha-neul? He's terrific at romantic and evil, but humor? Not too sure about that. Rain and Kim Tae-hee? Imagine Rain in sageuk attire!
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predictable
January 23, 2017 at 6:44 AM
You want to know how funny KHN can be? Watch Twenty.
Couples don't act together in SK usually. But who knows. Everything happens for the first time.
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7 Emmy
January 23, 2017 at 12:47 AM
A Sageuk! I'm excited.
Although Goblin wasn't to everyone's liking, I remember only positive comments about the Goryeo part of the drama, which was central to the drama's overall poignancy. What we felt for Shin/ Reaper and Sunny was largely from the setup in their previous lives in Goryeo.
So I will be on board. If KES crafts her new project with the same amount of attention as she did with Goblin, I think it could be great.
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8 Lana
January 23, 2017 at 12:48 AM
Saeguk means Lee Jun Ki, no? But I prefer to see unexpected face. Somehow I think she target only male leads with strong sex appeals. That's already a plus point for her to persuade people watch her 'products' lol. She targeted Gong Yoo like so many times. And anyone agree that the male leads in her dramas always super handsome. I wanna see So Ji Sub, Joo Won or Yoo Ah In.
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hmmm
January 23, 2017 at 3:15 AM
I don't think LJK is her style...
Besides SJK- which was has last choice- her leading men aren't the pretty type.
Just an observation
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missjb
January 23, 2017 at 4:13 AM
SJK is the last choice? KES must be kidding... One of the best actor in korea is the last choice is mind blowing
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kanz
January 23, 2017 at 4:23 AM
AFAIK she did offer DOTS first to Won Bin, So Ji Sub and Kim Woo Bin but the three men declined, so she offered the part to Song Joong Ki who just came back from military service.
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missjb
January 23, 2017 at 5:57 AM
well I'm really glad woo bin decline because he really need meaty roles rather than popularity at that time... His acting improve alot after starring in Lee Kyung Hee drama, Not that he was a bad actor before.. and SJK need popularity because he already excel in acting departement... so both work based on what they need....
predictable
January 23, 2017 at 6:42 AM
She never offered role to So Ji Sub. It was fan wish at best. But she offered it to Kang Don Won and Gong Yoo. With Woo Bin it looked like he already agreed or had in plans to work with LKH at that time, since she spend quite a time by writing script and personaly asking him and Suzy to act in it.
Yippeuni
January 23, 2017 at 5:49 AM
SJK did the last choice from writers, directors and producers. The lead role was previously offered to actors with muscle or more manly looks.... rumors said Gong Yoo, Won Bin, Kim Woo Bin, Jo In Sung were the first choice however, all of them turned down the role, saying they weren't comfortable shaving their head, filming a 100% pre-made drama, or staying abroad for a long time. ...most are kinda reject those terms. but SJK was the only one that show interest to it, so the writers, director and producer gave him a chance. When fitting session they finally agree that SJK profile will be another good advantages for Yoo Shi Jin character.
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missjb
January 23, 2017 at 6:10 AM
well Yoo Si Jin roles is not necesarily have to act with someone who have great acting muscle to begin with, so that's makes sense. But He gain popularity more because of DOTS, So I'm grateful. His strategy to choose DOTS first before goes to chungmuro is paid off..
ET
January 23, 2017 at 6:16 AM
What? I doubt it's true that they rejected because of those reasons.
hmmm
January 23, 2017 at 12:42 PM
It's the truth. If you follow the drama you should know that at least
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ET
January 23, 2017 at 5:41 AM
Nah, I think she prefers more manly and mature look. For men above 30, I think she chose those who are masculine and very established actors - Cha Seung Won, Jang Dong Gun, Gong Yoo. She also originally approached Won Bin and So Ji Sub for DOTS. She loves guys who are tall and big framed. So, LJK doesn't fit in. Even Lee Dong Wook had to beg her for a 2nd lead role!
I don't know about her earlier works but Heirs is the only youth drama and thus LMH was cast. I'd say LMH looked very mature or overly so for his role in Heirs. Another below 30 was Hyun Bin who did Secret Garden before MS and I'd say Hyun Bin definitely fits KES's type.
At the moment, I can only think of Jo In Sung and Kang Dong Won but then again, I don't know that many k actors.
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MapleSilver
January 23, 2017 at 7:33 AM
Other than being very tall is Jo In Sung considered the manly type? I thought he is more the beautiful, model type.
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ET
January 23, 2017 at 9:12 AM
Jo In Sung is beautiful and manly. He has that presence and aura plus he'll look terrific in saeguk.
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dreamland
January 23, 2017 at 8:41 AM
I agree Song Joong Ki and Lee Dong Wook was not in her plan because they are just not her type. She really got lucky with them though. She definitely prefers her man strong and manly looking - I'm willing to bet a penny that she will cast Kim Woo Bin for her next drama (again).
From the small role in A Gentleman's Dignity, to the second lead in Heirs, her next step was to give him the lead role in DOTS. He couldn't do that possibly due to a clash of schedule or other reasons but look at her courting him and mentioning his name throughout Goblin. In some scenes of Goblin where Yoo In Na declared her love and longing for "Kim Woo Bin", it felt very much like a love declaration of the writer herself. Looking at their work history I see her grooming KWB, honestly. Btw, KWB had mentioned not too long ago that he would like to act in a Sageuk role. Now why do I feel that she had already approached him for her next project?
As for others, I think Kang Dong Won is not in her radar unless she runs out of choice (but he is very popular and that's a criteria of her leads). Lee Jun Ki was definitely out a few years ago but he has a more manly feel now so who knows. As for Jo In Sung, he looks manly when you just know him. Look longer and something else comes up. ^^
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ET
January 23, 2017 at 9:15 AM
Ooops is there something about JIS that I don't know? I'm not a fan and I kind of just know him from his dramas.
Maybe I was thinking of how awesome Gong Yoo looked in saeguk and I had thought actors like Kang Dong Won and JIS are in that league.
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Serendipity
January 23, 2017 at 1:11 PM
Have you seen JIS in 'A Frozen Flower' and KDW in'Duelist'?
Haha
January 23, 2017 at 1:05 PM
Actually she has approached KDW a few times...
And people might forget but KWB wasn't supposed to be 2nd lead in Heirs. YH rejected the role so he got upgraded to get the role.
It's not something weird that she like to work with her stars again...
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ar_arguably romantic
January 23, 2017 at 2:59 PM
If it's a sageuk, LJK is a possible contender since he has that weird effect of looking manlier in robes. I think she may try to lure a movie type who hasn't done a drama in some time. Jung Woo Sung? Jo Seung Woo?
As for Jo In Sung, I haven't watched him in many things or finished his dramas, but he oozes sex appeal. Not too attracted to his face, but the way he just holds himself and moves is attractive.
She is probably also looking for guys who have bro chemistry with other guys since bromance has become a theme in her dramas.
Maybe Ji Jin Hee (though I associate him with a more beta male aura) since Lee Young Ae is getting a huge drama this year.
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hmmm
January 23, 2017 at 6:07 PM
1. KWB was never her 1st choice. He wasn't even the 1st choice for 2nd lead in Heirs.
2. Her ultimate goal is Wonbin. And since she worked with HB and KWB it's normal for her to name drop. And she is known to work with her old actors I won't be surprised that she would ask KWB one in the future. Not to mention KES like to use her own last name for the male leads : Kim Tan, Kim Shin so it's easier to see why she used Kim Woo Bim
3. And she has offered KDW before. I'd say he is her 2nd obsession after Won Bin.
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predictable
January 24, 2017 at 12:09 AM
YH supposed to play role of CES childhood friend, that role went to MH. Then CYD was ultimately created by KES to KWB, once she personally asked him to take role of second lead in her drama. That "usually puts last Kim name" such a stretch. He probably wouldn't play any role in her next drama, but the fact still a fact. She used his name as a meta/nod, no writer would do that, if they doesn't like that person (not necessary as a future lead) and they still contact each other. I don't think it's so hard to accept the fact, that KES used KWB name with love and respect, not "just because".
haha
January 26, 2017 at 10:39 PM
@predictable lol Please! I'm a PSH fan and I followed the pre Heirs drama more than anyone.
You can look at the news everywhere even in DB. YH was the 2nd lead and yes his role was supposed to be PSH's best friend and has love line with her. But because he rejected the role, she pushed KWB to 2nd lead and and change the original 2nd lead role to a support role and has no love line with PSH.
People were confused about who is the 2nd lead until the drama aired because of it...
My point is KWB wasn't supposed to be 2nd lead in Heirs originally. It's a fact and it's not hard to check for yourself.
But whatever you want to believe lol. My oppa has to be the original. Same with Pinocchio he was never offered the role either. But you probably don't know that. lol
9 kanz
January 23, 2017 at 12:52 AM
Pray for uri Oppa working with Kim Eun Sook!
And it's sageuk!! Ah... sageuk and my favorite actors will be perfect!
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10 chingu
January 23, 2017 at 12:54 AM
My first reaction to this post's title: Already!?
Dang.
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11 wapz
January 23, 2017 at 12:56 AM
Six years! Woah it does show. I am so glad to finally be able to finish a KES drama. I specially appreciate how this show had much less cheesiness which also does not suit thenarrative. Goblin was a well written,directed and acted show. Even if it slowed down in the middle ( I hope KES gets to overcome this in her latter shows-the middle always gets stuck) it was overall a pretty good show. Though I am still sad over the immortality thingy.
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12 hanbin
January 23, 2017 at 12:57 AM
I loved Descendants of the Sun (my favorite despite its flaws and Yoo Shijin being better than Euntak at cheating death. I gave up on its logic when Shijin stood up after losing breath and having multiple gunshot wound in the chest), Secret Garden (even though everyone and their mothers know that Joowon was an asshole) and Goblin (even though I felt that the ending was lazy). Even though I have reservations, I'm still going to look forward to her works(and her next hit). I just wish that whatever she's working on next is plot-driven. I've had enough of filler-esque episodes in Goblin (the constant push-and-pull between Euntak and Shin that lasted for half of the series). And if it really is going to be sageuk, if she manages to pull the same weight and content that the Goryeo part of Goblin had or even better, I think she's in for another hit drama.
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13 voice
January 23, 2017 at 12:59 AM
as much as i think about the "what if's" with her dramas i always end up enjoying it (well not with the heirs) but i would be lying if i said i wasn't excited, now we just need an awesome director like with goblin and i'm also looking forward to the cast
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14 Playstore, Okay Or Not Okay
January 23, 2017 at 1:05 AM
No wonder she planned Goblin for six years! That lady even teased us with a glimpse of episode 16 around the 32 minutes of the 1st episode. You can't do that unless you've planned beforehand and taken the time to put things in a twisted order. Gosh! I'm starting to tear up by the thought that it's ended! ?
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Ai
January 23, 2017 at 1:35 AM
She did?
Oh I need to re-watch episode 1.
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CrimeFighter
January 23, 2017 at 2:18 AM
She did that in episode 1 ?? Ommo I don't have any memory of that. I'm suffering from amnesia.
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capri
January 23, 2017 at 2:25 AM
Yes some scenes from the ending flashed by when they passed each other on the street for the first time in episode one.
There are many many tiny details in the production too, juxtapositions of reaper and kim shin with the furniture and lighting etc. Throwback dialogues from the earlier episodes. I think the people who fast forwarded through the show missed a lot of that.
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celine
January 23, 2017 at 2:21 AM
I completely missed it until I read the comments in the recap. I had goosebumps. She had it all figured out. Damn.
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cocraze
January 23, 2017 at 4:23 AM
Which episode's comments? Ep 16 finale? I dont understand Korean so I rely on the accuracy of the translated eng subs. Which sometimes/often misses subtle nuances.
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Grapes
January 23, 2017 at 3:19 AM
I knew she planned the ending before when they returned to Canada in episode 15, because those scenes were shot first then they returned to korea, and it appeared it's still fall in canada while it's winter now. So she has the ending in mind.
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fnd
January 23, 2017 at 4:18 AM
Check out this link. It's shows them filming in Canada the last scene at the graveyard. You can see the differences in their clothes..KES already knew how she was going to end her story. Now that's what you call advance planning. Still not a fan though. Watched DoTs out of curiosity and Goblin for my love of GY?
http://www.koreaboo.com/buzz/gong-yoo-kim-go-eun-spotted-filming-upcoming-drama-goblin-canada/
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15 Cha
January 23, 2017 at 1:30 AM
thank you drama gods for writers like kim eun sook! ?
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16 bananachocolate
January 23, 2017 at 1:35 AM
Goblin has some pacing issues imo or rather the plot went quite slow in the first half and wasn't really moving as much. Hoping for her sageuk project she opts for 16-20 episodes and no more than that. At least with sageuk there is solemnity to some extent... so hopefully no plodding episodes?
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June
January 23, 2017 at 1:43 AM
I think the pacing issue also has to do with tvn not keeping to 1h length format. If the broadcasting station is more stringent with its length format, the show would not feel so slow sometimes :) That's why i look forward to yet dread tvn shows these days. Tvn = good quality but probably longer and longer length
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bips99
January 23, 2017 at 1:52 AM
Can anyone tell me whats up with tvn's flexible time formats? ... They just randomly decide that some episode will be 1hr, 1.30, goblin had some 1.20 hr episodes.. Why cant they decide one duration
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isagaja
January 23, 2017 at 5:59 PM
tvN episode lengths drive me mad. The first episode of Reply 1997 was 30 mins and I was fully engaged the entire time. I just watched the 14th episode which clocked in at 65 minutes and I was on my phone for a good fifteen minutes of that. Kdramas are, by their melodramatic nature, draggy enough as it is; they don't need the extra 20 minutes tvN keeps tacking on.
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CrimeFighter
January 23, 2017 at 2:19 AM
Yeah it is a little show for me. Even my friend said that it is slow. The fact that each episode is more than 1 hour is worse.
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