Odds and Ends: How NOT to run an internet company
by javabeans
javabeans: So I’m pretty sure everyone noticed we’ve been having technical difficulties on our site. For a while, actually, though it’s been pretty bad lately.
girlfriday: What gave it away?
javabeans: You mean like when you typed in “dramabeans.com” and got “Site not found” or “Bad Gateway” or sad faces?
girlfriday: Or read our angry tweets in the middle of the night, threatening to fire the monkeys?
HeadsNo2: Yeah, what did y’all mean by that again?
javabeans: Our metaphorical tech monkeys, which in retrospect might have been preferable to the actual tech support we got. Because… sigh… let’s just say that we’ve had a long, arduous relationship with our tech company and have since decided to go our separate ways.
girlfriday: You make it sound like such a civilized parting. Amicable divorces really depend on which party you’re talking to.
HeadsNo2: When it was really a “Get your crap and get in the car, we’re LEAVING!” kind of thing?
javabeans: It certainly felt like we were escaping something. At first, our site just started crashing intermittently and our hosting company would step in and fix things. But then we started going down all the time, and they would “fix” things that made everything worse, and tell us it was all solved, and instead we were still getting Bad Gateways and frowny faces.
girlfriday: I wanted to punch those frowny faces in their frowny mouths.
HeadsNo2: Well, I know *I* was worried, and I’m sure all the readers were too. But I think you guys have had the most sleepless nights from all this madness.
javabeans: I would pull white hair in the morning, and by nighttime, THERE WAS MORE WHITE HAIR. They were multiplying! It was actually horrifying. Aging in high speed.
HeadsNo2: You’re never supposed to pull them! Didn’t your mother tell you what happens when you pull them?!
girlfriday: My mother never ran an internet company!
HeadsNo2: But she’d probably have run a better internet company than [REDACTED]. Wait, are we redacting?
javabeans: You know, normally I’d argue for taking the high road, gracious separations, and basic human dignity. But… our experience being hosted by Flywheel was so, so, incredibly, egregiously, unfathomably terrible that we’re okay to name and shame.
HeadsNo2: Consider it a public service announcement.
girlfriday: Yes, it’s for the good of humanity! And also any future internet websites needing hosting.
javabeans: Honestly, we would have had no problem if they just told us they couldn’t serve us, and that they wished us well and sent us away. Because we know we’re a big site with tons of comments, and maybe somebody else was better equipped to handle us.
girlfriday: At the beginning, they were friendly and willing to help whenever things went awry. It’s just that things kept going awry, and ultimately we just needed our site to work.
javabeans: Looking back, we should have left them a lot sooner, but they would repeatedly tell us they had a new solution that would make everything better and we wanted to believe them. But even though they kept insisting they would fix things, things wouldn’t fix. We’d send emails, and they wouldn’t answer our questions. For every five questions, we got maybe one answer. It was always the “We’re on it, we’ll get back to you,” followed by… dead silence.
girlfriday: At one point they moved us to fancy new hardware, telling us that it would fix the constant glitching, by creating replica sites that would act as emergency backups in case one went down. Good in theory. In practice, however, you would post a comment to one of the replicas, and it wouldn’t replicate to the other sites. Basically, it turned one site into a three-headed monster.
javabeans: Yes, if the heads kept eating the comments from the other heads.
HeadsNo2: I promise I was not one (or two) of those heads.
javabeans: As part of the “improvements,” they set up some complicated caching to relieve server load, only it was perhaps the worst caching function to ever be created. Essentially it froze our site in 15-minute intervals, so rather than updating every time you refreshed the page to show new comments, the old page would stick for 15 minutes! Without showing new comments!
girlfriday: We could see on the back end that comments were being made, but the front page would be stuck. This was nuts on days we had high commenting traffic, because a Cheese in the Trap episode could easily get 100 comments in the first hour, but for some people, it would look like there was no discussion going on!
javabeans: We’re just so sorry about that to everyone, because we’re a site dedicated to robust conversation, and our site was actively killing that conversation. UGH. I still get fumey thinking about that.
HeadsNo2:: But we have great readers, and they were super understanding! If not a little confused. But which of us wasn’t?
girlfriday: The only way to help things was if we literally went into the control panel and flushed our cache manually, like every 3 minutes during a high comment period. We would actually sit at our desks for hooooours after a Cheese recap posted, just clicking “flush cache.”
javabeans: We kept asking Flywheel about fixing the cache and they kept saying they would look into it, and they never got back to us! We wrote them so many emails.
girlfriday: So many emails.
javabeans: What’s worse is that each site replica had to be updated manually, so it was really THREE times the clicking.
girlfriday: We lost a lot of sleep in those weeks.
javabeans: Having repeated outages was one thing, but it was their reaction to the problems that really made things take a bad turn after that.
HeadsNo2: So is that when the cancer that is Flywheel metastasized?
javabeans: We were sending lots and lots of emails, because… well, we had lots and lots of problems. And then at one point, it seemed like there was one very clear point where they just… stopped… replying to our emails.
girlfriday: THEY. JUST. STOPPED.
HeadsNo2: Seriously?
javabeans: We would send them. And have no answer. Like, ever.
girlfriday: They sure still took our money though.
javabeans: Remember a couple of weeks ago when we had a problem and sent an email to their emergency support, and… emergency just never showed up?
HeadsNo2: Wait, seriously?
girlfriday: Yes! It was like we had been black-balled.
javabeans: I actually wondered if they had a “dramabeans” filter on their incoming server that filtered us into trash.
girlfriday: I’m pretty sure that’s where they put the replica sites.
javabeans: Oh, right. When they upgraded us, they gave us a more expensive plan with extra features at a lower rate because they kept screwing up. But one day, I logged in and noticed that those extra features had just disappeared. They never told us they were taking them away, just… poof. I just can’t even about that.
HeadsNo2: Which doesn’t make sense, because why would they do that?
javabeans: Honestly, I wondered if they were purposely going silent to push us into leaving.
girlfriday: It’s like the boyfriend who’s too chickenshit to break up with you, and so starts doing things to make you break up with him first.
HeadsNo2: Oh, you mean like noble idiocy, only without the nobility?
javabeans: Exactly like that. They act like a dick so you leave, only there’s no sad terminal illness to justify the douchey behavior.
girlfriday: Sooooo, needless to say, we began to pack our virtual bags and look around for a new hosting service, and finally got ready to do the big move.
javabeans: Annnnnd of course, the night before we were going to move, our site crashed and we were locked out for three hours. We couldn’t write news posts until 3 am, I recall.
HeadsNo2: Seriously?!
javabeans: Oh, it gets better-worse.
girlfriday: When we told Flywheel we were leaving, they said, “We were informed you were planning on migrating off of the platform. This comes as a surprise as we have not heard of any recent issues. I was hoping we could continue to work together and be partners as you grow. Let me know if we can hop on the phone and chat through things.”
javabeans: *Wild, incredulous laughter.*
girlfriday: But wait, there’s more!
HeadsNo2: SERIOUSLY???
girlfriday: When we were coordinating the new host with the old host to move, Flywheel wouldn’t respond to our multiple requests for the necessary backup files. So we couldn’t move.
javabeans: We had our entire team ready, waiting to move, and Flywheel just stonewalled us. We were literally twiddling thumbs waiting for an answer. We emailed the support line, we emailed the direct addresses we had, we called on the phone. No reply. We even had a friend of a friend of a friend contact Flywheel as a personal favor to get a reply. AND THEN DO YOU KNOW WHY EVERYTHING? DO YOU. DO YOU??
HeadsNo2: No, but I have a feeling this is gonna be good.
girlfriday: They told their team to hold off on giving us any backups of our site because they were trying to get us on the phone! To retain us! But we just wanted the backups! We kept asking for them, but they later insisted that we hadn’t responded to their request for a call. Even though we didn’t want a call. We just wanted to leave, okay? You can keep all my CDs!
javabeans: FLAMES. FLAMES ON THE SIDE OF MY FACE.
HeadsNo2: Oh my god.
javabeans: Ohmygod!
girlfriday: OH. MY. GOD.
javabeans: It felt like they had our baby hostage. At first, we were so scared they might retaliate or refuse to cooperate that we felt like we had to be super careful about not angering them. We wanted our baby out in one piece!
girlfriday: But at a certain point, we were like, nine fingers and nine toes is a majority of appendages! Cut and run!
javabeans: I love that one guy literally told us, “Seems things have gone south in the recent months with a new dev team and some other changes, combined with some unfortunate outages on our end. Such is hosting though.”
girlfriday: Sorry we quoted your email. Such is karma though.
HeadsNo2: Burn.
javabeans: And then!
HeadsNo2: And then?!!?
girlfriday: In the end they agreed to refund hosting fees for the month of January because of all the outages… then failed to actually give us said refund. We reminded them, but they ignored us.
HeadsNo2: Are we surprised?
javabeans: No, but it’s ironic considering how they suddenly became much more polite as we were walking out the door, and requested, “Lastly, I hope that we did not earn a scathing review as we tried our best to provide support and be flexible.”
girlfriday: I don’t think it was scathing, do you? There weren’t even any four-letter words! And I know some!
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26 korfan
February 18, 2016 at 8:29 AM
Wow. Just, wow. What a nerve-wracking experience to go through! ....... Sadly, this company's unprofessional and unacceptable behavior is, once again, another (and too often ocurring) example that makes you wonder just who is getting hired nowadays and what people's concept of quality service is.
I had an idea that things were happening behind-the-scenes, but I never imagined Dramabeans was going through such an ordeal. ....... As always, I'm glad to see that even in difficult times, the Dramabeans humor shines through!!
Thank you to everyone at Dramabeans for keeping us informed and for all you do every single day!
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27 Den
February 18, 2016 at 8:29 AM
Love the images used. LOL. I've watched 5 out of 7 and I know three are from Hong Sisters dramas.
I didn't know it was that bad. I sometimes use my phone to access dramabeans and since I'm not used to the mobile view, I've tried clicking that pink desktop view button at the bottom of the page to switch but it never worked no matter how much I tried. I thought it was also because of some technical problems with the site, but it turned out I should've been clicking the "request desktop view" option in the safari browser. :)
Hope things would work out for the better. Dramabeans, fighting!
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28 poisonivy
February 18, 2016 at 8:31 AM
Dramabeans, i love you
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ahsaem
February 18, 2016 at 8:46 AM
Yes! We all do!
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korfan
February 18, 2016 at 8:51 AM
Definitely!
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genuinecity
February 18, 2016 at 11:41 AM
*runs to the rooftop to CONFESS MY LOVE FOR DRAMABEANS!!!*
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29 yukie
February 18, 2016 at 8:44 AM
I'm so sorry for ALL the misery you guys have had.
But u guys had me in stitches, this post is so funny I feel so bad for laughing at your expense....
I have been reading Dramabeans for 6/7 years and no glitches are gonna make me leave such an awesome site
You guys can change everything, but as Long as Javabeans and Girlfriday are there I'm coming along :)
Hope everything gonna be smooth sailing from now on!!!!
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Mermaid Scribbler
February 18, 2016 at 9:55 AM
Agree x infinity
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30 Waiting
February 18, 2016 at 8:47 AM
Well, it is a shame they could not deliver and made you all go through such a protracted and reprehensible hassle. This post is well-deserved IMHO.
We are all still here though! :D It would take more than that to discourage Beanies away from DB!
We love you all and are grateful for all that you do! <3
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31 Bond. James Bond.
February 18, 2016 at 8:50 AM
Who will join me in going to the Flywheel's main company, and crashing the place! And going to any site that allows you to write your reviews on companies, and everyone gives flywheel a 000000000!!!!!!!!!!!
Whose with me!?!?
We HAVE to avenge our beloved site and the staff behind it!! ?
And look back and be incredulous that the Dramabeans staff has managed to hold it all in... eh, they have all of us to avenge for them...
~insert evil laughter~
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32 halfmoon
February 18, 2016 at 8:51 AM
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urbangirl
February 18, 2016 at 10:37 AM
It's probably because flywheel is run by guys. They probably manage their personal lives the same way.
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33 blo
February 18, 2016 at 9:17 AM
Felt like I was reading a bad makjang. One that's so bad and bad and bad and miserybad, with Yoo Seung-ho crying on the side, it's entertaining. That's terrible that you had to deal with all those frustrations with no answers. And I'm also very thankful for you guys. I say we are lucky to have a site like Dramabeans with awesome admins like you guys.
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34 dramamama
February 18, 2016 at 9:24 AM
You guys could write your own drama based on these experiences. Although it could be better because you could imagine Flywheel as an evil chaebol run company that needs to be brought down no matter what, "Healer" style. Javabeans and Girlfriday could be the hidden backup to a hunky flower boy blogging their way to revenge. Unfortunately, your love triangle with said hunky flower boy could possibly bring your friendship to an end. Ahh, the possibilities...
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vongole
February 18, 2016 at 10:35 AM
Ooooh, I like... except, we've been told that their 'types' are different. So, let's make it more 'one more happy ending' and give them different sets of dudes. That's what these awesome ladies deserve! And, we'll get longer recaps with more characters. Flywheel would, of course, be the evil chaebol/local thug.
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blo
February 18, 2016 at 11:02 AM
Or, King of Dramas style. King of Dramabeans. Everything that could go wrong, does go wrong. And more! Complete with amnesia, an angry mob, and PPL in the form of orange juice. Javabeans can be like Anthony Kim.
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Pearl~ai88
February 18, 2016 at 12:50 PM
YES! LOL, you guys are hilarious
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35 jen
February 18, 2016 at 9:29 AM
I love that you all have a 'Youths Over Flowers in Iceland' attitude -- Laughing and joking around amidst of challenges. Hope those issues get resolved, and I enjoyed reading this post even though the internet company's attitude pissed me off.
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36 Laila
February 18, 2016 at 9:48 AM
Ah so that's what happened.
I went once to comment on Cheese and I was like wait there is no comments. Usually there would be comments its so dead.
Than I come back 20 min later and there are like 100s of comments dated 20 min again. And I was like how did that happen I was there 20 min ago.
Now this explains all this funky stuff.
I thought I was going crazy.
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37 mom2mp
February 18, 2016 at 9:50 AM
There! There! It's always good to vent. Especially after finding a solution. I will be partaking some soju shots (after 5pm obvs. What do you take me for?)
I've been a db reader since the beginning of db time. I'm amazed that you have not only stayed but have also gathered more into your fold. Kudos to you and hats off for not letting time, sometimes bad dramas, bad hosting companies get in your way
Always and forever,
Your addict
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38 An-naum
February 18, 2016 at 10:01 AM
Wow,i didnt no it was so bad! The words still polite though considering the pain here and there liasing with them. I surf everyday to ur site but never met with any incident, never experience any glitch or whatever fault there was. We as a reader and commentor are truly appreciate DB existance after many years pass by. Good luck with the latest host!
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39 Abbilol333
February 18, 2016 at 10:04 AM
Sounds like a lot of Sangchul sunbaes work there :P
Hope for the best that everything works out for you guys from now on!
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gadis
February 18, 2016 at 5:19 PM
hahaha.. LoL. That would make more sense.
Hope this year bring you lots and lots and lots of wonderful thing, ladies, and may all the bad things go far, far away. Shoo, shoo..
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40 ajbcu
February 18, 2016 at 10:24 AM
Oh all the misery this has caused, I'm so glad that its all out of the way now. Although I didn't really experience the outages firsthand, I still hope everything stays well from here on. It was nice to hear about all the behind the scenes, I love listening to your rants lol
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41 samsooki
February 18, 2016 at 10:35 AM
The world is better for it.
All we have, in the end, is our friendships and our dramas. Those are eternal, and db has not lost any of those!
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genuinecity
February 18, 2016 at 11:39 AM
You can say that again!
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42 vongole
February 18, 2016 at 10:37 AM
Thank you DB for powering through this! I was confused at times but there was always enough to keep me reading. Khamsamida :)
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43 urbangirl
February 18, 2016 at 11:36 AM
Out of curiosity I googled Flywheel and in addition to its site, 3 separate blog posts came up praising FY. FY PR consultant must have been busy - 2 are dated the same day, Jan. 6 and 1 was on Feb. 6.
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44 genuinecity
February 18, 2016 at 11:37 AM
Omg, sounds absolutely awful! I don't remember if I've experienced your site being down, but either way, I'm glad you fired those good-for-nothing tech monkeys.
I was getting more and more ticked off as I read and as I came across all the fuming, fire-coming-out-of-body reaction pics (which, btw, how are there so many!? But, goodness, I couldn't help to smile because of them). You gals have been through a LOT and the fact that they had the AUDACITY to act innocent, "friendly" and "helpful"... UGH. That's despicable. You're obviously better off without them, so here's to successfully retrieving your baby and to moving on!
PS: Dramabeans has become one of my favorite sites and it's almost always the first site/thing I check every morning. Thank you for providing quality content on K-Pop and K-drama culture. Y'all rock!
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45 SJ
February 18, 2016 at 11:49 AM
Thank you so much for the effort you all put into maintaining this site. Really really really appreciate it. Hope you guys give yourselves a big hug and a pat on your heads. Heh. Have a great day :)
P.S. Screw you frywheal
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46 ginnie
February 18, 2016 at 12:09 PM
Makes mental note : do not use flywheel.
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47 earthna
February 18, 2016 at 12:11 PM
Wow. You ladies went to hell and back with that problem. I was also getting mad as I read. My gosh. That's so frustrating. I hope things will be better for you now.
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48 Pearl~ai88
February 18, 2016 at 12:54 PM
Wow, that sounds awful. Although I noticed some occasional glitches, there was never a time when the site was completely down for me and you guys still put out so much content through it all! Thanks for powering through and keeping dramabeans enjoyable for your readers even with all the tech hassle. <3 <3 <3
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49 Abby
February 18, 2016 at 1:13 PM
Oh jeez! I'm glad to hear things are up and running smoothly again! You guys really are the best! I can't say how many times I'll pop onto dramabeans per day to see if you guys have recapped the drama that I'm watching or just for upcoming news. Best of luck with this new host! Dramabeans, fighting!
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50 ladysaotome
February 18, 2016 at 2:07 PM
What a story! Glad it's all behind you.
(And I'm so sorry but I second the complaints about the ad on the left. I really, really hate it.)
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Sajen
February 18, 2016 at 5:44 PM
I don't know about mobile but on my desktop I have ad block plus so I don't even see the add just a red x that's easy and simple to click.
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