Oh My Ghostess: Episode 9
by javabeans
…and we’re back to our regularly scheduled programming! Thanks for being patient while we got recaps out, since our KCON weekend took a huge chunk out of the recapping schedule. But I’m happy to be back on track with Oh My Ghostess, which continues to bring on the funny while pushing our characters on toward growth. Our ghost is as indefatigable as ever, but turns out even the dead have a few things to learn about respect, and I’m glad to see that strides are made. Everything gets a little more entangled and complicated, but in a good way.
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EPISODE 9 RECAP
Soon-ae steps out of Bong-sun’s body as Sun-woo is kissing her, which means Bong-sun awakens in the moment and is rendered speechless and wide-eyed. Frazzled, she excuses herself and hurries out, trying to get her thoughts in order.
Thankfully Sun-woo follows her out, wanting to talk this out and arrive at some kind of understanding. He’s flustered by his own actions and stammers awkwardly, but tells her that this isn’t a mistake—he means it for real.
He grabs her tight in a hug and blurts, “I don’t know whether it’s from the start, or when you changed and pursued me, or yesterday, or today. But one thing I’m sure of—I keep missing you, and when you’re not next to me I’m uneasy.”
Then he pulls back to look at her stunned face and bursts out, “So what the hell—let’s go for it.”
He asks her to say something, and Bong-sun clumsily fumbles for words; she reflexively bows and says, “Th-thank you.” She tries again to say something, but he interprets her response as okay, asking if she likes him back. She nods and replies, “Yes, Chef.”
He pulls her in for a softer hug this time, and from a short distance, Soon-ae watches, looking rather morose. She tells herself to get a grip, since she’s a ghost (“You’re not Na Bong-sun!”), which is interesting. Is she feeling envy?
As they clean up the restaurant together, Sun-woo takes over mopping duties from Bong-sun, lifting her up onto the counter to seat her there as he cleans. Noticing her still-wet hair, he brings the fan close to ostensibly dry it for her, smiling uncontrollably all the while. They just grin at each other bashfully like adorable lovesick fools.
Officer Sung-jae gets a call that his partner, Officer Hwang, had an accident, and rushes to the hospital. Officer Hwang was the man in charge of Eun-hee’s hit-and-run case, so she and her mother are worried to hear of it.
Sung-jae seems genuinely shocked to hear of his partner’s condition; he was found unconscious in the parking lot, his phone and wallet taken, and there was no CCTV footage to see what happened. But the ominous mood grows darker the longer we linger on Sung-jae’s reaction…
Bong-sun heads to her room, pinching her cheek to make sure this is real. Sun-woo thumps on their shared wall, telling her to sleep well and dream of him, “But that’s not an order, it’s a suggestion.” She agrees to, and he goes to bed giddy.
Soon-ae joins Bong-sun to ask how it felt to hear his confession. Bong-sun admits to fearing that it’s all only a dream, but Soon-ae chirps that they’re well on their way to their win-win solution, where the ghost resolves her grudge and Bong-sun gets her man. Soon-ae tells her to trust her, and they fist-bump.
In the morning, it’s Soon-ae in the body who greets Sun-woo as he steps out of his room. He looks dead tired, though he says of course he slept well: “Why, did you think I’d be unable to sleep because I was so excited?” Well, I think that now.
She just grins and points out that his eyes are bloodshot. He tells her that they should take care to keep this quiet around the other employees, and she assures him that she has that much control.
At work, though, he struggles to keep his poker face on, which is difficult with Soon-ae tagging along like an adoring puppy. The others wonder what their deal is, and he tells her almost panickedly not to be so obvious, a warning she blatantly disregards while sending aegyo-filled text messages.
Sun-woo tries to remain professional but calls her outside to chide her for the distractions. She wheedles cutely at him about how she wants to do something for their first day as a couple, suggesting an overnight outing—and if they should happen to run out of things to do, they could always duck into a motel to “get some sleep,” wink-wink.
Sun-woo half-finds her behavior adorable, but he also sticks firm to what he feels is appropriate and says that he wants to treat the relationship seriously and thoughtfully. She pouts at the constant put-offs, but he says that if she wants to date him, she can’t rush ahead all on her own; she has to match his slower tempo.
The medium unni arrives outside the restaurant as Soon-ae is heading in, and hurries to assure her that she’s not here to capture her. So they sit down for a chat, and mostly the unni wants to check that Soon-ae’s mission is going well. She’s excited to hear that they’re dating, and Soon-ae says it’s practically a done deal and she’ll for sure earn her passage onward from ghost-dom. Unni admits to letting Soon-ae get away on purpose, and since she’d be in huge trouble if that got out, she urges her to succeed no matter what.
Sun-woo’s mom calls out Unni to ask about a worrying dream she had about Sun-woo, asking what it means that he was wandering in a field of dead flowers. Unni says it’s not a bad dream—in fact, splendid flowers would be a warning sign, while dead flowers indicate keeping misfortune at bay. Mom is thrilled and relieved, though I’m not convinced Unni’s being straight with her.
Sung-jae looks decidedly shifty as he enters Officer Hwang’s hospital room and reaches down toward the oxygen mask on his face. He pulls back immediately when Officer Hwang’s sister enters, though she hurries out to get a doctor when her brother stirs awake. Sung-jae tells him that he’s in the hospital and asks if he remembers what happened to him, and relaxes when his partner replies no.
Sung-jae is all solicitousness now and reaches over to mop Officer Hwang’s face with a handkerchief… and his left wrist comes into the man’s direct sightline. This triggers a memory of his attack, and the arm that wore that same watch.
After the restaurant closes, the staff heads home, blurting excuses to go home to avoid being roped into another night out with sous chef Min-soo. Min-soo accepts this tonight, but makes vague references to something happening tomorrow.
Sun-woo texts Bong-sun for a date tonight, and Soon-ae jumps to get ready, deciding she can make “it” happen with or without an overnight trip. He takes her to a fancy restaurant for dinner, though the date is partly another cooking lesson. He gets a little jealous when Soon-ae takes a bite and exclaims that it’s delicious, asking, “More than my cooking?” She angles for some skinship by playing footsie under the table and then moving to sit next to him, but disappointedly complies when he tells her to go back to her seat.
As they climb into his car, Sun-woo gets nervous when Soon-ae gets all into his space, though she says innocently that she’s just putting his seatbelt on for him. He seems to like that, but he jumps when she leans over to supposedly brush something off his clothing—and while we don’t see what (or where) that is, I’ve got a pretty good guess based on the way he yelps, “Where are you touching?!” He stops the car, all rattled and wound up, and when he starts to scold her, Soon-ae retorts that she’d like him to follow through and scold her.
He’s ready to return home for the night, but she insists that they have to do more on their first date. He agrees to go for some shaved ice, following Soon-ae as she leads him along… to a motel. She feigns surprise and fakes leg pain to get him to agree to go inside, and now he looks genuinely upset and pulls her aside for a serious talk.
He asks why she likes him, half-disbelieving that he even has to ask, “Is it me you like, or my body?” Soon-ae says she likes both, and that it’s not strange for young, healthy couples to want to have sexual relations. He says he’s conservative when it comes to relationships (Soon-ae hangs her head at that) and that there should be some kind of a progression, not jumping ahead from the start.
“It’s because I like you!” she says. “If you like me, you should be cautious,” he replies.
Soon-ae points out that he was the one who kissed her and is now talking about progression, and huffily steps away to (sarcastically) respect his wishes.
Sung-jae returns home in good spirits since his crime is safely undiscovered (or so he believes), and starts to open a bottle of wine. Eun-hee sighs over the criminal, saying that heaven will send its punishment, and not one second later Sung-jae cuts his finger on the bottle opener. When she reaches to check on it, he flings her arm aside so hard it takes her aback, and he apologizes and suggests a late-night walk.
Eun-hee talks about how it was nice to meet up with her university friends, reminiscing on how good that time was. She comments that Sung-jae doesn’t speak much of himself, and asks how it was growing up in an orphanage, and being adopted multiple times.
He says simply that he was never there, and in a flashback, we see him being neglected by his adoptive parents, who barely spare a glance for him and coo over a newborn baby instead. He hovers over the crib with a stuffed toy in his hands, like he’s about to suffocate the child, but he draws back when Dad enters. Dad grows angry and hits him, shoving him out of the room and, presumably, out of the family, because Sung-jae lands back at the orphanage, where he gets into a brutal fight with another boy.
Later, he lies battered on the ground in pain when a black mist materializes next to him… and then the flashback ends.
Eun-hee wonders, “Three years ago, if I hadn’t met you at the hospital, and so I didn’t regain the desire to live again, what would have happened? I probably wouldn’t be here now, would I?”
Sung-jae agrees, and we get a flashback to that encounter: Eun-hee, dressed in a hospital gown, struggles to get over the railing of the rooftop. Sung-jae hurries forward to grab her, ignoring her cries of “Leave me to die!”
Present-day Eun-hee reminds him that he’d told her then that people don’t all live or die as they want. She asks what he meant, and he says he doesn’t remember.
As Sun-woo and Soon-ae arrive back home, she pointedly keeps her distance, honoring his conservative wishes, and hammers in the point by speaking in elaborate sageuk speech like a servant to a king, bidding him good night. He says she doesn’t know how he feels, and in his own room, he tells himself with effort that he can do it—he can hold back and endure.
Next door, Soon-ae’s ranting about Sun-woo’s frustrating conservativism, which is an unexpected obstacle to her plan. Bong-sun, on the other hand, thinks it makes him appealing—his seriousness and sense of responsibility—though Soon-ae doesn’t appreciate her siding with her thwarter.
Bong-sun perks up when Sun-woo calls out to her from outside, though Soon-ae instructs her to play a little hard to get. So she just peeks out the door to look at him, though she doesn’t do anything further.
In the morning, the assistant chefs realize that today is the sous chef’s birthday, which explains his veiled comments yesterday. This is worrying news, because they know Min-soo will want the whole birthday shebang—a party, congratulations, expensive gifts. The guys suggest flat-out denial as a tactic, and agree to feign ignorance rather than get roped into some elaborate mess.
Min-soo skips into work in high spirits, humming the Happy Birthday song and hinting about seaweed soup. He chuckles to himself expecting a surprise around every corner, and snaps at everyone once he realizes it’s not in the plan.
The disappointment puts him in full drill sergeant mode, taking issue with every little detail like messy hair and long nails and excessive height (“What are you, a model? You punk, go get a bowl cut or go to a plastic surgeon and get uglier!”). The assistants suffer through the tirade, sticking to their plan, but suppose that it may be easiest to just give Min-soo something and be done with it.
Joon speaks up, saying that he received a clothing order in the mail this morning, and a freebie belt came with it. What if they give that as a gift?
So while Min-soo fumes about how he’ll make everyone work like beasts today, they come in singing and present him with the gift. Min-soo brightens and opens the gift, making them tense when he asks if it’s fake leather (which it is) before laughing that he knows it’s totally real. He even asks if it’s too expensive, and he feels so great that he offers to treat them later (and happily takes Sun-woo’s credit card when offered).
Soon-ae’s dad and brother Kyung-mo head home after grocery shopping, and Kyung-mo complains about the tedious errands until Dad replies that Soon-ae did them all the time. As they cross a bridge, Dad pulls out an apple and places it on the railing—Soon-ae liked apples, and this is for her. Dad looks mournful as he asks why “the bad kid” did it, and Kyung-mo takes his hand in support. Hm, did Soon-ae jump and commit suicide? Yet Sung-jae sees them a short distance away, and the tone grows darker, suggesting more to the story.
Sung-jae insists on giving them a ride in his car and ushers Dad along. As he looks down, he sees Dad’s shoelace tied in a distinctive knot—and thinks of when Soon-ae did that for him once (before she’d died). When Sung-jae comments on it, Dad replies that Bong-sun was the one who tied this lace. This certainly strikes Sung-jae as odd.
After the restaurant closes, the staff heads out to celebrate Min-soo’s party. They invite Sun-woo along and he starts to consider it, but Soon-ae pipes up (still peevish at him for rejecting her advances) that he won’t want to, since he’s so conservative and all. Sun-woo goes with it, but looks pitifully sad about it. Aww.
As the group goes, Sung-jae watches from a distance, taking particular interest in Bong-sun.
They gorge on chicken and beer, and at one point Bong-sun slips away. Joon goes out looking for her and finds her whispering to a motorcycle light drunkenly. He laughs at her cuteness, and sits her down in a chair while she asks him for guy advice “about my friend” whose boyfriend didn’t like when she made advances. She asks if guys generally dislike it when the girl makes a move, and Joon replies that it’s one of two things: He doesn’t find her pretty, or he likes her so much he wants to wait and build trust. The first type of guy is ordinary, but the latter is a really decent guy.
Soon-ae wails in frustration that it’s super confusing and she doesn’t know which it is. Joon speculates that it’s the latter: “You’re pretty.” She protests that it’s about her friend, and he advises her friend not to let him slip away and regret it.
Then he says that she isn’t touchy-feely with him these days: “You must’ve worked out your affection-deficiency problem.” Aw, does he think she’s talking about him?
At home, Sun-woo checks in on the Sunshine blog, wondering why she hasn’t updated lately. He wonders why the kids are out so late, and we cut to the party, which has moved to a noraebang. They move through the usual progression of upbeat pop songs to the love ballads, which ends with Joon and Soon-ae singing together, heads resting against each other, looking super-cute in a problematic way.
Sun-woo gets antsy waiting for Bong-sun to return home, and grumbles at the stream of credit card confirmation texts he gets, letting him know they’re still out and having fun. He idles in his room, pacing and passing the time fitfully, waiting waiting waiting.
And just as he’s really getting upset, he gets one last text: A bill from a motel. Frantic, he calls Bong-sun and yells at the phone to pick up, and finally gets a drunk Min-soo on the line. The guys have crashed there, and Bong-sun has “gone to shower.” Cut to: Sun-woo running down the street until he gets to the motel.
Everyone’s passed out dead drunk, and he rouses Soon-ae and tries to usher her out quietly. He picks her up and carries her out, anxious to get out undetected. Once outside, she’s so loud and boisterous that he ends up picking her up again and carrying her off, feeding her water to sober her up at a convenience store.
She’s still snappish, and says he should have come with them if he’s so bothered, and he reminds her that she was the one who told him not to come. She says he totally didn’t read the situation right, and that it’s no big deal to crash with dudes in a motel room when none of them even think of her as a woman. Sun-woo bursts out, “Why aren’t you a woman? You’re such a woman that it makes me uneasy to death.”
He says she doesn’t know men, and that they can change in a second, and that she’d better stick to him like glue from now on because he can’t handle the anxiety. She notes that he’s always flip-flopping, having pushed her aside before, and Sun-woo returns, “Cancel the first one. Stick to me from now on.”
She’s only too happy to, and sidles up to his side and clings to his arm, sighing how nice this is. They walk back hand-in-hand, with him ordering her to stand even closer, and she cheerfully obliges. She asks if he doesn’t want to have sex, or if he’s just holding back the urge, and he sorta roundabout-ly answers that he’s a man too.
He takes her hand and says, “Let’s start like this. And let’s go slowly, for a long, long time, Na Bong-sun.”
COMMENTS
Aw, I find Sun-woo’s emotional progression to be really sweet, enough that in the first half of the episode I found Soon-ae’s chirpy disregard for his wishes to be annoying, and on the verge of advancing to deeper antipathy. But this show does have a knack of giving you a look into a character’s flaws and then tempering that with a solid dose of growth, whether it’s the annoying-but-amusing Min-soo or the miniature-bulldozer-in-pink that is Soon-ae’s force of will.
I really enjoy the character of Soon-ae as a ghost (that is to say, when she’s outside of the host body) because there’s an inherent pathos in being a disembodied spirit—when someone has physical presence, there’s an automatic significance to their being, and you feel that absence when they’re drifting without a physical form to take shape in. I feel the ticking clock and pressure of her situation (fearing turning into a malevolent ghost) when she’s outside of the body because she’s powerless in the most literal way when she has no form.
But you put her in the body, and as freaking adorable as her antics are, there comes a point when it wears on your nerves to see her ignoring feelings in her single-minded pursuit. It’s funny that I desperately want her to solve her grudge when she’s a ghost and to use any means necessary because I feel for her desperation, but when she’s actually doing that it sometimes rubs me the wrong way. Which is why it’s such a relief to see the little moments when she’s taken aback by someone’s sincerity, when she stops to listen to what Sun-woo is saying and is affected by those words.
That’s the key reason I haven’t lost my love of Soon-ae, because her flaws are depicted in the context of growth. I don’t want my characters acting like paragons all the time—that’s the pitfall of the Candys and perfect Prince Charmings who made for honorably boring leads in dramas past. Characters are allowed to do problematic things because in no way does the drama position such behavior as ideal, or aspirational. It’s particularly moving to me that Sun-woo’s refusal to just sleep with her on Date 1 is based in his desire to make this relationship the long-lasting kind, rather than a flash in the pan.
It’s rather funny to see how this drama has flipped the stereotypical dynamic in the relationship with the man insisting on slow progress and chasteness, while the woman presses for greater physical intimacy, pushing beyond his comfort level. If it were played purely for humor I’d balk at it, because I bristle to see someone so obviously uncomfortable at being pressured into doing something they’re not comfortable with, even if he’s the man, the boss, and the elder half of the relationship. Soon-ae’s behavior does dance along that line between humorous and uncomfortable, because it’s not enough to say that she’s a harmless tiny woman who can’t really hurt anyone. But I’m hoping the drama’s doing more than just having a laugh by flipping a familiar dynamic around; Soon-ae is meant to be adorable as she whines for sex, but the emotional line shows a thoughtful respect of Sun-woo’s wishes that makes this less of a sticking point for me. For now.
I’m curious to see how the drama progresses in showing Soon-ae’s feelings in this whole scheme, because thus far her emotions have been mostly reserved for her family; she hasn’t shown a deeper level of emotion about the romance/sex/grudge side of things. Is she starting to confuse herself with Bong-sun—or more specifically, is she confusing Sun-woo’s feelings for Bong-sun as Sun-woo’s feelings for herself? I wouldn’t blame her because it’s a messy tangle they’re all in now, and the feelings are only deepening all around. It’s a good kind of angst, because I feel like they’ve earned their angst and want to see them finding a way to rise above the transgression (because it is a transgression of trust) and work their way out of the tangle.
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51 cam
August 4, 2015 at 6:27 AM
I haven't watched episode 10 because I've been so bothered with how things went in episode 9. I was hoping that BS will cultivate her relationship with the chef, with SA coaching or only doing what she needs to do. But most of the time it was SA even when unnecessary so the whole relationship makes me feel bothered. I'm convinced the chef doesn't like BS as herself, and this coming love triangle could maybe be avoided as a different conflict altogether
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52 GailBernadine
August 4, 2015 at 6:37 AM
First time to comment and join the fandom of drama shippers!
Okay for starters, I love this drama to bits and pieces! Not that I'm saying that it's without flaws and aggravating moments. (Especially the latest episodes 9 & 10) I've been Jo Jung Suk's fan because of his role in The King 2 Hearts (which is my fave drama) and my heart still has an Eun-Shi-Kyung sized hole in it that was never repaired! Park Bo Young has been a delight to watch since I loved her in Speedy Scandal. So it was like a given that I'm gonna love this drama. And I do but I'm starting to have some doubts about the direction of the show. That's why I always read Dramabeans' recaps because it gives me another perspective and often times makes things clear and more understandable for me. Anyway, this week's episode are kind of a downer from last week's high. I wanted there to be more girl talk between Soon Ae and Bong Sun and less of possession. I know the point of their cooperating with each other is for Soon Ae to resolve her "grudge" (which we all kind of know isn't the real reason she still hasn't passed on to the other dimension) and for Bong Sun to get her man. But the latest episodes showed more of Bong Sun getting all the lovey, caring attention of Sun Woo which, I think robs Bong Sun of the experience and cheats Sun Woo too. I still definitely believe that Sun Woo fell in love with Bong Sun beacuse the drama showed us that Bong Sun can come out of her shell and be more outgoing and expressive and what she just needed was a push from Soon Ae. I just don't like it that Bong Sun is okay with Soon Ae experiencing how it is to be in a relationship with Sun Woo instead of Bong Sun. Maybe I just want her giving advice on the side which I know defeats the purpose of their arrangement. And cam I just say that shrilly and whiny sarcastic Soon Ae just didn't sit well with me that I was in danger of fastforwarding the scene (which we never do with a drama we love!, right?!) I just hope the show executes and resolves the conflict in a way that I won't be feeling cheated for Sun Woo and Bong Sun. But I'm still in for the ride! And will be riding this ship till the end!?
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53 whatis
August 4, 2015 at 6:39 AM
OH MAAAAAN been waiting for thissss!!!! I hope you girls had fun at KCON!!!
Yea, this episode really got me a little bit worried in the progression of the drama. We only have 7 episodes left at this point (I haven't watched episode 10 yet, so yay no spoilers!) and we've gone through the majority of 9 episodes focusing on Soon-ae. Her interactions with the kitchen staff, with sunwoo, with her family. She's building a whole life using Bong-sun's body. And I think that's what the drama was going for from the getgo, to pitch her in contrast to Sungjae's evil ghost who presumably did the same things Soonae did - possessed Sungjae's body due to a weak mind. And, considering the genre of the drama, I expect Soon-ae to make the right choice, so I'm not particularly worried about that.
With all that, I'd be totally bummed out if the drama just continues to focus on Soon-ae only and leaves Bong sun's character development as a 'one year later' off screen development. 'Cause I REALLY expected more interactions between the girls in this episode - exchange of ideas and thoughts. Maybe that happens in episode 10. PLEASE DRAMA GODS!
And then more about Soon-ae. I firmly still believe she was ejected out, and it wasn't voluntary. 'Cause of her quick look down at her body. I also felt her annoying factor and insistent on having sex was dialed way up this episode. And I think I can understand if we roll with the 'Soon-ae is afraid of developing feelings for Sunwoo, and being confused as Bong sun'. She's getting the feels and it scares her. So she rationalizes that she just need to get this over with. Have her sex, resolve her grudge and never have to think about it ever.
I'm so in love with this drama, if the Drama Gods fail me, I think I'd cry. :(
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54 Kchu
August 4, 2015 at 7:04 AM
Writer messed up at this point. There's no clear direction, its all....ugh...
Both SA and BS at selfish acting like that to SW but SA kind of manipulated BS into letting her be possessed pact. BS will still end up possessed whether she liked to or not too :/....cause BS can't run away from SA all the time...
At best up till the recent episodes, I'd prefer SW to end up with BS or end up with no one.
SA's personality came out too strongly in this episode....I cringed and even put the volume lower...
Like writers....please choose....at first SW prefers BS's less manic state but then next we see that he is adjusting to SA's personality? And SA at first seemed to only be finding guys with vitality and remembering her past life...to now having feelings for SW?
The previous episodes had somewhat of a right balance but this kind of tipped the scales...
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55 luz
August 4, 2015 at 7:14 AM
I see a por of people defending SÁ
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56 growingbeautifully
August 4, 2015 at 7:15 AM
Thank you JB for coming back from KCON and throwing yourself into the grind with this recap.
We want to root for our main characters, we want to be happy for them and to see them grow. So now that the character flaws are complicating the situation, we need our characters to become aware, to make informed decisions, hopefully to start to take responsibility. But the longer the deception and the possession continues, the less likely this is to happen and the more disapproving and disappointed we will be.
What a pity that Chef's innocent, honest love is still being rewarded only by lies, self-interest and no authentic love at all.
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57 bugdocmom
August 4, 2015 at 7:25 AM
It's probably accurate to say that SW is attracted to SA's personality, her humor, etc. But I think he's physically attracted to Bong Su. He has attributed her personality changes (when SA takes over) to being "manic", having some nutritional deficiencies/ not eating in previous episodes. But it seems, to me as a viewer, that SW considers that as just a part of the whole BS. That's probably a stretch but that's how I see it.
SA liking SW is an unfortunate consequence of her plan to use his body for her gain. That was the "risk". It's not like she was in love with SW and he with her before she died and used BS's body to come back to him.
Still very much into OMG. And Joon -- he's so cute! I wouldn't mind a BS-Joon coupling ;)
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58 Chesens
August 4, 2015 at 7:57 AM
My problem with the scenario where Chef ends up with SA (or it's actually SA that Chef is falling in love with) is that it completely defeats the purpose of 'resolving' a grudge and moving on to the next life or wherever. It's going to be a never ending cycle then. Because what will happen to Bong Su's soul after SA completely takes over? In a way, BS will then also have a WASTED life. She won't be able to experience the things she should have.
And I find that really unfair because SHE's the one who is STILL ALIVE. SA is dead and should leave so that the living can continue to actually LIVE.
Perhaps Bong Su is her vessel but ultimately SA has to give the reigns back to Bong Su otherwise this show would be so tragic and really depressing. I'm hoping that the show will steer us into an ending that will encourage many of us to actually LIVE life to the fullest. Because I see that the show has this potential and promise.
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alua
August 4, 2015 at 8:23 AM
<Bong Su’s soul after SA completely takes over
She'll become an evil spirit (according to the rules we have been told) since her time is almost up and that means something like Sung-jae (from what we have witnessed).
No idea what would happen to Bong-su in that case. Would she just die? That be super-gruesome and selfish on Soon-ae's part – and that's not even considering the "fake happy ending" you'd be getting for "Bong-su" & Sun-woo since the latter would be believe until the end of time that he's in love with the real Bong-su...
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59 Aigoooo
August 4, 2015 at 8:03 AM
As a viewer, I think it have come to that point in the story where we've had our fill of the "wanting sex by all means" hijinks. I can watch Park Bo Young being cute all day but for the drama's sake, it needs to move on to other things. It's just a matter of having too much of one thing (even though that thing is so much fun to watch) eventually leading your audience to turn on you.
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60 The flaming rose
August 4, 2015 at 8:15 AM
Soonys taking up all the screen time and I feel sorry for bong yet hence the title oh my ghostess. Sunwoo loves soony not bong. Clearly if he liked bong the relationship would have emergd sooner. Bong is just annoying to the point of driving me crazy- yet this drama illustrates one of the fundamental flaws of human society. We as people don't notice anyone but the colourful and TEND to ignore those like bong who inhabit this planet alongside us. Sunwoo similarly is like any man preferring someone bold- or crazy in my opinion.
I mean soony is cute and all but its tiring after 10 mins. I think this drama has helped yo highlight the preferences for me in modern
society in comparison to the past- particularly true of the UK. Men used to prefer quiet beautiful damsels who looked serene whereas in the 21st century its more about women not repressing themselves and being more truthful about their personality and more open instead of adopting facades.
Just my thoughts based on the recap I can't wait to watch the episode and will report back ASAP.
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alua
August 4, 2015 at 8:26 AM
Well, some people have suggested
ghostess = word that does not exist
BUT
ghost + hostess => ghostess
ghost being Soon-ae and hostess being Bong-su
(don't know about the Korean title)
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alua
August 4, 2015 at 8:31 AM
< I think this drama has helped yo highlight the preferences for me in modern society in comparison to the past- particularly true of the UK.
I think there is a wide spectrum between the passive, quiet, beautiful damsel and the modern woman that doesn't repress herself, is truthful about her personality and speaks her mind. Being modern, liberal and not a damsel-in-need-of-a-shining-white-knight doesn't equal will-have-sex-with-anyone-anytime.
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korini
August 4, 2015 at 10:46 AM
Ah, now I get your disagreement. I guess it's promiscuous vs. chaste. Well, I think no one of our three "players" fall under any of the two categories. The girl is very young probably not even 25, ghost-torn and miserable all her life, the guy was a bullied boy with an decade lasting adolescent crash on his friend's girlfriend who probably never dated and the "sex-with-anyone" ghost is a 28year-old woman who died a violent death, as a virgin without having dated even once.
However since I love both the show and everyone's comments, even the far-fetched full of projections and conflict ones, I wish tvN would grant us a little more episodes in an overall season of murders, mobsters, cops, mysteries and punches.
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61 ag
August 4, 2015 at 11:06 AM
What I am missing is the real Na Bong. The writers hardly balance the 2 'personalities' here. Too much Soon-Ae. I was hoping for 'less' possession and that Na Bong would get back to her food blog. That is where the real connection is between Sw and Na Bong.
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Chesens
August 4, 2015 at 5:42 PM
I agree!
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62 Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
August 4, 2015 at 12:34 PM
Oh dear, I just thought of something about 8 episodes late... The clock ticking down to the change to evil vengeance ghost reminds me of a certain other clock and change -- are we supposed to think that post-menopausal women are... ?
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alua
August 4, 2015 at 12:52 PM
???
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Lord Cobol (Kdramas, like water, flow downhill)
August 4, 2015 at 1:27 PM
... evil vengeance demons. It might explain some mothers-in-law.
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63 Dissenter
August 4, 2015 at 1:26 PM
It seems a lot of people are outraged for the sincere and earnest SW being deceiving into thinking he's with BS, when he's with SA. So I asked myself why that deception hasn't been at the forefront of my thoughts. I think the reason why my mind doesn't focus on the deception is because when SA is in BS's body, she doesn't try to be BS or hide herself. SA is so forthright - from sharing her dreams, her thoughts, and even the way she single-mindedly expresses to SW that she wants sex...NOW. I think I would feel more wronged for SW (I keep wanting to call him chef) if some aspect of the relationship was involuntary. Like if he was already in a relationship with BS and his heart was already invested or if his heart was already captured by BS's physical beauty. But we see him freely and voluntarily drawing closer and closer to SA as she is. So that's why I haven't been angry at the developing relationship. But the deception is still there, like a guillotine hanging over the loveline. I'm not looking forward to when it drops.
It seems as though so many people are angry at BS's minimal character development and time with SW. I just wonder that if this was another drama - not about ghost possession - and we had BS as a secondary lead or as a side character, would we be so disappointed in her lack of screen time or romantic development with the male lead? Instead, wouldn't we be content to watch her sisterly relationship with the female lead and growth into a stronger person? If that's the case then I feel that's where this drama is already taking us.
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Dissenter
August 4, 2015 at 1:39 PM
The BS-SA situation reminds me a little bit of Who Are You School 2015. It was Eun-byul's mom, boyfriend, friends, school, life, but is there any question that Eun-bi was the lead?
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growingbeautifully
August 4, 2015 at 4:32 PM
@Dissenter
" I just wonder that if this was another drama – not about ghost possession – and we had BS as a secondary lead or as a side character, would we be so disappointed in her lack of screen time or romantic development with the male lead? "
The answer, as you know yourself, is that in a non-possession romance, of course we would be happier that the 2nd female lead gets less time with the male lead. It is precisely because of the possession that we are concerned and even upset. By all means, let the female lead spend more time with the male lead, however let it be a time of honesty where she is a ghost outside the body and speaking to Sun Woo through the medium-Shaman unni or through Bong Sun and not from inside Bong Sun (The American movie Ghost gives this eg.).
Our male lead is a relatively good guy whom we root for and like... no one deserves the kind of deceit practised on him, but because he is our lead, we are even more invested in him finding happiness. The way it is going, the more time he interacts with Soon Ae romantically and the deeper he falls for her, the greater will his heartbreak be, and the greater then will we consider her culpability, in allowing this and in postponing what she ought to realise by now is the right thing she has to do.
She has to wake up to the consequences to several persons and herself, for the decisions that she has made and for the way she has manipulated things or allowed them to unfold. What she is doing is just for herself alone (she's not really out to help Bong Sun) but in the hurting department, she is not hurting only herself, but several other people.
So by all means, it's good to have a flawed character or 3 to give us the tension and angst in the story. Now let it be played out so that the characters, especially Soon Ae, grow from this and resolve more than just one ghost's entrapment and being trapped. We need to continue to love our lead female too, or we will feel so disenchanted with this show.
The only viable ending is that if Soon Ae is really dead (and I believe she is), she cannot and does not get a happy romantic ending with Sun Woo... so she actually has no business spending more romantic moments with him at all.
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Dissenter
August 4, 2015 at 5:37 PM
Even in the movie Ghost, Sam had to possess the medium's body to interact with Molly. I don't even know how SA could form anything with SW as a ghost since he wouldn't be able to see or hear her. My point was that I wondered whether people wanting SW to be with BS is based more on the idea that she's the lead and if those expectations would change if she wasn't the lead. And you answered that.
Yes, SA is a ghost. Yes, because I believe in her, I believe she will find a way to ascend before she turns into an evil spirit. Yes, I don't believe there is a happily ever after for SA and SW as a couple in the future. But, blame the hopeless romantic in me that I still cherish the blossoming love between the two. Isn't the core of love the feelings two people have for each other despite the uncertain or even unhappy future. That's the crux of ever poignant star-crossed lovers' story. So I don't agree that "she actually has no business spending more romantic moments with him". What about SW? Like I said, I don't look forward to when the veil of deception is ripped off and I don't look forward to their parting. But for now...I'm in love with the romance.
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Chesens
August 4, 2015 at 5:50 PM
But again we go back to the same problem if that were the case. SA has not moved on to the next life because she is resolving a grudge. She has unfinished business. She feels she has been cheated in life when she died so young.
It is happening just the same with BS with SA taking over most of her life and if Chef were really to fall in love with SA and not BS, then BS has also been cheated in life.
That's my problem with the the Chef-SA shipping.
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wunderbar
August 4, 2015 at 6:06 PM
>> then BS has also been cheated in life.
Hmm, BS herself probably doesn't see it as her being cheated. Perhaps she prefers it - she gets the chef (although she misses out on a lot of the interaction/dating stuff), she gets to have a friend/unni to talk to, and she doesn't see ghosts that much anymore. Seems that her life has somewhat improved for her now.
64 Worried
August 4, 2015 at 2:12 PM
I really love the show. I love how Park Bo Young plays her roles. And I love the chef and the kitchen stuff etc. I actually was really looking forward to this episode because I was expecting amazing teamwork between BS and SA – but this episode really left me with mixed feelings.
First of all I don’t think BS really knew what she got herself into when she agreed to team up with SA. As a woman myself I really treasure the memories of my first date, my first boyfriend etc. But BS doesn’t have those memories. She’s maybe dating the chef in name, but in reality barely experienced this love of hers.
As much as I love SA I had a really hard time to watch her in this episode. I actually do understand her to some point but there were so many moments in this episode where I seriously felt frustrated with her behavior. And I don’t get why she is taking BS over all along. I know that she tells BS what happened but I don’t think this is enough in terms of their agreement.
I actually could overlook those things but what really got me was the fact that BS will lose her first time because SA wants to do it first. Why can’t BS be the first one and SA takes over the next time? Why does BS need to give up her first sexual experience because SA needs to get laid to resolve her grudge? (Though her grudge has nothing to do with it) It just feels unfair to me. I know that BS is probably the second lead in this drama and that the lovestory is about SA and the chef (or at least there is a high chance that it’s their lovestory) but no matter how cute or adorable those two get I just feel so bad for the naïve BS who agreed to get all her first times stolen. That being said I just don’t know how to enjoy the interactions between SA and the chef. At least for now. I just hope that the writers will find a way to give wallflower BS any kind of justice because I would feel so sorry for her if she gets hurt for being too trusting and naïve.
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Jeanette
September 24, 2017 at 7:45 AM
I had very similar thoughts. Soon Ae should step out more and let Bong Sun experience her own relationship. Soon Ae could jump in when they have sex. She needs to tag out more often.
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65 sigalltheway
August 4, 2015 at 4:22 PM
I think everyone forgets what a nice person Bong Sun is. Since she gets her part of the deal (the chef! my gosh, how I loved it that she get to hear SunWoo's confession without Soon Ae's interuption), I think she's just fulfilling her promise to Soon Ae. Even if she has to lose all her "first"s, because SA's time is limited.
I am too a real Bong Sun-chef shipper, and is heartbroken and frustrated to see how many memories she missed in their relationship.
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BedeliaJane
August 4, 2015 at 4:27 PM
Seo In Guk all the way? If that's what your nick stands for, we could have written our comments around the same time and had similar wavelength ;)
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sigalltheway
August 4, 2015 at 4:48 PM
hahaha.... If only SIG is not busy with I remember you.... Maybe he'll drop by at the last week of this drama? ;)
I didn't realize we have that many HSKS casts in this drama. I didn't even realize about the sous chef except that he's awfully familiar
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66 BedeliaJane
August 4, 2015 at 4:24 PM
I had preferred possessed BS in much earlier eps but after the bike seat theft incident, I quite enjoy watching the interaction between Chef & the real BS, and much prefer this. Like what he said in this ep, he seemed to be bewitched by her (the real BS). With the real BS, he seemed to initiate the skinship too, e.g. patting her head, pinching her cheek, resting his arm over her head, asking her to place her hand over his (cutting tomato scene). These are the scenes I can watch many times over.
On another note, since some of the cast were from the King of High School cast (sous chef, shaman unni, doc, chef's sis), could I just hope that Seo In Guk have some cameo...? Heehee. Wishful thinking?
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Chesens
August 4, 2015 at 5:54 PM
@Bedelia
yes I find the moments with the real BS as sweeter and more endearing! Chef is just so swoony!!!
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BedeliaJane
August 22, 2015 at 10:27 PM
Oh my! Seo In Guk did appear in the final episode!
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67 nikkik411
August 4, 2015 at 4:58 PM
Maybe because I've just finished watching ep. 10 a lot of these comments feel a little whiny, especially since most of the things people are complaining about get addressed and moved on from in that episode.
But also this weird morality thing people are putting on a ghost and also a fictional character as though any of those rules would be conducive of actual plot development. If we went by what people in the comments are saying, we would basically not have a show or it would've ended with Soo Ae being sent away during the ritual and Bong Sun would've gotten chef on her own. I feel like suspension of disbelief is needed here or you can find a million things that are wrong.
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growingbeautifully
August 4, 2015 at 5:57 PM
@nikkik411
I know what you are saying and I think it too. There are 2 forces at work among us Commenters.
1) We want a story and so we are getting it and actually, we are enjoying it as it is. We know that without the flaws in character and the mistakes made, there will be no story.
2) We are also thinking people, considering what it is like for each character in their dramaverse and feeling for them... or considering how it would be like if a similar situation was played out in our lives with people we know or with us.
The many comments we get discussing thoughtfully is a sign that the story is good (ie an eg of good storytelling). It gets us thinking about morality and right and wrong and what could be, etc... and is also a means of enjoying the show more for some.
By all means we can suspend disbelief, and at the same time, think through what is acceptable if we wish, and maybe both separately or together can still make for enjoyable viewing.
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nikkik411
August 4, 2015 at 8:03 PM
I'm not necessarily against the questioning of morality to an extent but I feel like too many are letting the lack of it in this drama affect their judgement. It's fantasy, for crying out loud. Yes, it is entirely possible to both enjoy a drama while questioning certain parts of it but when the majority of the comments are people complaining about the same things, especially when those things are so contrite and are not even things that are really affecting the progression of the plot, it gets annoying. Usually when people voice opinions about finer elements of a drama's plot, I can see where they're coming from but I feel like too much discussion is surrounding such a random issue.
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^_^
August 6, 2015 at 12:35 AM
true!
I understand that we invest time, energy and emotion when we watch these dramas/series, that we get so attached to it. And as a result we tend to get over-analytical of the entire set-up which oftentimes leads to complete & utter dissatisfaction:(
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68 haje
August 4, 2015 at 6:10 PM
I guess I just don't understand where people are getting the idea that Sun Woo's feelings are for Soon Ae and not Bong Sun when most of his reactions to Soon Ae come across as discomfort and confusion over why she's acting that way??? Did people all of a sudden just forget what happened in Episode 7? When Bong Sun was in her body and he said, out loud that he liked her best that day? When all of the moments we've gotten with him and Bong Sun are the most genuine and sincere romantic moments on the show? All the ~romantic~ moments we've gotten with Soon Ae and Sun Woo have come from when Soon Ae is acting most like Bong Sun.
And, honestly it's so tiring to see people complain about Bong Sun's lack of personality and lack of uninterestingness in comparison to Soon Ae as if it's a competition between them. I guess some viewers are just incapable of accepting and liking two female characters who have different personalities at the same time. Episode 7 had an entire episode of Bong Sun and it showed plenty of her personality, and it was imo easily the best episode of the drama so far. Women like Bong Sun exist, just because she's not as aggressive, as out there and as direct as Soon Ae doesn't make her a lesser character than Soon Ae. So many people in the kdrama fandom complain about the lack of strong female characters when in reality so many of you have such limited definitions as to what a "strong female character" is.
I still find this drama a delight and PBY wonderful but Ep 9 and 10 was mostly just frustrating which is a shame considering the strength of episodes 7 and 8. I assumed the show was going to give us Soon Ae and Bong Sun interactions but all we get is Bong Sun showing up for a couple minutes and then Soon Ae taking over her life for the rest of the episodes. I like Soon Ae a lot but if the show continues in this direction, then it's really wasting a lot of it's potential (w/ Bong Sun as a character and her backstory, with Soon Ae and Bong Sun's friendship, etc.).
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Dissenter
August 4, 2015 at 6:59 PM
I wonder if the question of who we think SW loves stems from our own perspectives of love. For some people, the comfortable, cute, compatibility that SW has with BS shows love. For others, the challenges and how we work to overcome them together show love. I belong to the latter camp. I think SA's moments of .... wanting to jump SW's bones... and his rejection of those advances are so prominent in our minds because they're the most manic and funny moments and so we lose sight of all their other moments. I saw SW's respect for SA as she helped him win those competitions. I saw that gratitude he had as she helped him move past his memories of being bullied. I saw the comfort of her presence. I see him breaking out of his solitary shell because of her. And you know what? She challenges him. It's like their equals - both pulling in different directions at times so that they can grow to come together. So, all those reasons are why I think SW loves SA.
I wonder if a lot of people think it's SA's personality to be sex-crazed. I think of it more as a product of her desperation to escape the fate of being an evil spirit for eternity. Otherwise, she wouldn't be a virgin ghost. Instead, I see her personality when she's not making passes at SW. People say that that's when she's acting like BS. I couldn't disagree more. SA has never acted like anyone other than SA. We see that kindness and diligence and thoughtfulness in the flashbacks of her when she was alive and we shippers of SW and SA see it in their quieter moments.
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69 Fuujin
August 4, 2015 at 7:09 PM
Not sure what to make of all these discussions. Of course we want characters with solid moral cores as our heroes and heroines. But Soon Ae started this charade out of desperation--and no matter how I weigh it, becoming an evil spirit (& therefore plaguing the world w/another evil spirit) trumps any moral considerations about using someone else's body and deceiving a man about sex. Not to say those things are good, but which is worse in the bigger picture?
In terms of how the two women *should* divide their time in the body, if I start thinking about that too much my brain will turn this show into Hyde, Jekyll, & Me 2.0. And there's no bouncing back from that.
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70 jam
August 4, 2015 at 7:13 PM
ughh the feels :3 although SA was annoying, chef-nim made it all up for me... ill take you chef-nimmmm. gah.
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71 liz
August 4, 2015 at 7:26 PM
The problem here isn't really SA or BS. The problem is the writer being lame and ignoring BS's character for the sake of her couple, I don't call it love triangle (because there is almost no BS)
BS character needs justice but the writer is lazy tbh. Spent too much time making SA and Chef funny relationship, but it also might ruin the drama for some because we need more, we have only 6 episodes.
Like, I don't get people defending SA but disliking BS for "using chef and SA" humm what? SA also is using BS and Chef and everyone else, does she not understand she will be gone and leave everyone? Both BS and SA are selfish, but because she is a ghost people think it is okay, but BS is not okay because she is a person ? Why that?
This is all the writer's fault, BS was not that selfish. She left the restaurant and wasn't thinking about going back, she didn't seem to like Chef that much tbh, to tell the truth, she idolizes the chef not really like, I think she is mixing her feelings.
So BS went back, thanks to SA, she was happy to be back but I didn't see her that in love with chef again. She just seemd to like to cook (?) SA tried to enter her body and BS really was against it, she didn't even wanted to hear SA and be alone, but SA keep going around her.
So the writer made that lame thing: BS seems chef with other girl, BS now seems to really like / want chef, and lets SA use her body. Huh?? That was so badly writen, BS never seemed that in love, just being around Chef seemed like enough for her, but to make SA character back, the writer changed BS's character and made BS okay with SA using her body to get Chef.... it was not enough reason to me tbh, it was just for the plot sake, the comedy.
Chef character also had some faults, like he was worried for BS manic state, since he was feeling guilty. He seemed worried at first, but later he didn't seem to care she was in her manic state all the time? Isn't it bad for BS? Like, it means she is under pressure or too stressed (going by the manic/bipolar state the doctor explained) he should take her to hospital again or make sure she takes her medicine, but this was also ignored by the writer....
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liz
August 4, 2015 at 7:30 PM
ps: this reminds me of BIG. They never showed the fiancee side, instead the writer ignored the fiancee and let the noona-student relationship work, using the adult's body, and never adressing the issue about he being a student and having to go back to his real body, and the couple adress the age gap and other problems about teacher x student relationship.
In big it was all avoided to make people enjoy the couple and that is it. I was really frustrated to never see the fiancee story or thoughts.
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72 ^_^
August 5, 2015 at 11:55 PM
hello everyone! :)
Despite all the contention surrounding the premise and possible direction the drama is heading, I'm still very much enjoying it. I commend everyone on this team especially PBY & JJS who's nailing their roles. Their chemistry is so potent. Makes me ship them IRL, though I know that JJS is with Gummy.. I just can't help it... ;)
btw, can anybody tell me the title of the song that Joon & bs/sa sang @ the noraebang???
Thank you. :D
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73 janny
August 6, 2015 at 6:39 AM
My greatest fear is what if Soon Ae also falls in love with Chef and is not willing to leave Bong Sun's body.. or worse if this whole thing is not explained properly to Chef, how would he feel... it's like you're liking a girl who is not exactly who she is... :/
Anyways...loving our dear Chef!!!! The kiss was just so yummy LOL
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74 Ruby
September 14, 2015 at 4:27 AM
Can someone tell me what is the title of the song where Ng Bong Sun and Joon sang in the karaoke in episode 9
thank you
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75 Jeanette
September 24, 2017 at 7:42 AM
I don't like how Soon Ae hogged the first day. She should have let Bong Sun have the body for part of the date. Chef and Bong Sun are going to have a lot of memories she doesn't remember.
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