High Society: Episode 8
by HeadsNo2
I’ll give you one guess as to who gets called out on their duplicitous nature and lies this episode, though the mental gymnastics the guilty party goes through to defend their actions is certainly something to see. What is it about Joon-ki that inspires such adoration in others when he gives nothing substantial in return? Is it just his dashing good looks that lead people to think he has a soul? Okay, maybe that’s a bit harsh. But darn it, Joon-ki, throw me a bone here.
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EPISODE 8 RECAP
The two couples enter the club and proceed to do the opposite of tearing up the dance floor, and though Joon-ki is wearing a tuxedo shirt unironically, he’s totally the hot guy on the dance floor who just plants his feet.
Meanwhile, one of Ye-won’s lackeys lurks outside Joon-ki’s house with instructions to dig up more about him so she can leak his relationship with her little sister to the press. “It’s like she was born yesterday,” Ye-won says disapprovingly of Yoon-ha in flashback. For once, I agree with her.
Mama Lee invites the lackey into her house when he claims he’s an old high school buddy of Joon-ki’s, but grows immediately suspicious of him. He confesses that he’s not Joon-ki’s friend, but is scouting him for a big company. Even so, Mama Lee doesn’t have a good feeling about him.
Joon-ki’s mind drifts to what Chang-soo said about not really knowing who he is, while Chang-soo gets a really random call from an old buddy of his who just happens to be the reporter Joon-ki’s been in contact with.
Chang-soo grows suspicious when the reporter offhandedly mentions that Joon-ki’s been giving him some good stories lately, and orders someone to find out who published the initial article on Yoon-ha’s part-time job.
There’s a strange cut from the four of them leaving the club via car to the four of them arriving at a pier overlooking the ocean, but this must be a different day because they’re in different clothes. (Or worse, it’s a montage!)
It’s all laughter and fun times for them, and at least for the moment Chang-soo seems to be enjoying his cryptic buddy as he playfully splashes water at him.
Cue different clothes/a different day as we find the four preparing a picturesque outdoor barbecue party at one of Chang-soo’s properties. Joon-ki helps Ji-yi out for the sake of helping, though Ji-yi points out that Yoon-ha’s face immediately went sour.
“Don’t do this for other girls anymore,” Ji-yi advises Joon-ki. She mentions that it’s the little things that work best with women, and Chang-soo scoffs that all the girls he knows like expensive things and nice places.
So then it’s Yoon-ha’s turn to come to Ji-yi’s defense as she tells Chang-soo not to mention his past with other women around his girlfriend like it’s nothing. The two girls declare their eternal love for each other while Chang-soo mutters that maybe the four of them shouldn’t hang out anymore.
Chang-soo makes it a point to follow Yoon-ha inside the house when she goes to get wine, and he actually segues pretty naturally into asking her about Joon-ki. Well, more about how much she likes him, which tells him that she hasn’t had a lot of dating experience.
Yoon-ha argues the opposite, and Chang-soo just pretends to buy it as he adds, “That’s why you should know well what men become.” She doesn’t know. But what Chang-soo wants to get across that she shouldn’t give her whole heart to Joon-ki—she has to leave some for herself.
“I already gave it all to him,” Yoon-ha says quietly. She’s not sorry about it, arguing that there’d be no reason to date him if she wasn’t going to give her whole heart to him.
But while they’re on the subject of dating advice, Yoon-ha tells him that if he truly loves Ji-yi, he should marry her. Chang-soo turns that same sentiment on her, and she unabashedly proclaims she’d marry Joon-ki. Chang-soo genuinely asks her if she thinks it’ll be that easy—her status in the company has changed recently, after all.
“My marriage has nothing to do with the company,” Yoon-ha says obstinately. “If I can’t marry who I want, what’s the point of living?” Chang-soo really does try to get her to understand that neither of them are in a position to marry whoever they want, but Yoon-ha still thinks she has the upper hand in her family. She’s independent, she claims. On some other plane of existence, maybe.
Outside, Ji-yi tells Joon-ki how much she respects and admires him before broaching the topic of how he handled Yoon-ha’s reveal. When he doesn’t answer she decides to share that she reacted with a mix of sadness despite recognizing hints about Yoon-ha’s lineage before.
Despite those hints, Ji-yi still thought Yoon-ha came from a background like hers, so it’s all still a little surprising. Joon-ki changes the subject to ask what she plans to do with Chang-soo. “I don’t have a plan to do anything,” Ji-yi responds a little mournfully. “He isn’t someone I can make plans with. We came all the way here without a plan.”
Joon-ki tries to cheer her up by reminding her of her inner strength, and Ji-yi thinks it’s cute that he’s worrying about her. But he doesn’t need to, because she’s no idiot—even when she sees the rich man/poor girl dynamic work out in dramas, she never quite buys it. So she’s not going to expect some fairytale ending for herself either.
She and Joon-ki share a moment of understanding and kinship before the two chaebols return, though it’s worth noting that when Ji-yi tells Joon-ki that Yoon-ha’s lucky to have him, a momentary look passes over his face—something like guilt, perhaps.
Ji-yi’s use of formal job titles for the boys is brought up at the dinner table jokingly, though Chang-soo means it when he suggests both women start calling them oppa from here on out.
Yoon-ha begins to cry, since that word makes her think of her late oppa: “I can’t make the word ‘oppa’ come out of my mouth.” Joon-ki leads her off to get some air, and at Chang-soo’s light insistence, Ji-yi switches from calling him “Director” to calling him “Oppa.”
In order to avoid paying loads of taxes and losing management rights over Kyung-joon’s assets, Chairman Jang’s secretary suggests that they continue to report him as missing, since the body was never found.
But in order to have everything of Kyung-joon’s, they’ll need to get Madam Min to hand over the rights Kyung-joon granted to her in his will, which Jang vows to work on in secret.
Now that she has her lackey’s report on Joon-ki’s family and business life, Ye-won is able to paint a disturbingly accurate picture of him: Growing up poor means he knows the true value of money, and he’s clearly attached himself to Chang-soo for his own ambitious gain.
Likewise, Ye-won figures out that he’s with her little sister because of all that he can gain from her. As far as learning about her father’s plot to file her brother as a missing person to avoid paying inheritance tax, Ye-won’s not surprised. She just has to focus on getting her mother on her side so she can have her shares.
After instructing his secretary to use muscle to scare Joon-ki off, Chairman Jang informs his wife that he won’t be reporting Kyung-joon as dead. She seems heartbroken when he tells her that it’s not because he agrees with her conviction that her son is still alive, but because he’ll save on taxes. And because he wants to apply to manage Kyung-joon’s properties while he’s “missing.”
Madam Min cries only when she’s in private, but it’s not long before Ye-won calls to invite her out in an effort to lift her spirits.
Joon-ki walks with Yoon-ha along the beach as she continues to blame herself for Kyung-joon’s death. Maybe he wouldn’t have gotten hurt if she’d never gotten off that plane, she wonders.
But when Joon-ki thinks she’s done enough self-pitying, he decides to break her out of it by picking her up in his arms and carrying her into the surf. It works, and they kiss as waves crash around them.
Chang-soo finds out from his minion that the story on Yoon-ha was broken by Reporter Yoon, who’d claimed to be receiving intel from Joon-ki.
Now Chang-soo starts to put all the pieces together, realizing that Joon-ki must’ve known about Yoon-ha’s chaebol identity before Chang-soo told him. And if he did, then it means he was lying to him every time he claimed he didn’t know Yoon-ha.
Chang-soo confronts Joon-ki upon his return: “When did you find out about Yoon-ha?” As in, when did he find out that Yoon-ha the Part Timer and Yoon-ha the Chaebol were the same person? Chang-soo claims he was just curious on a whim, but Joon-ki knows thoughts like that don’t just happen.
So Chang-soo comes clean, and asks Joon-ki why he pretended not to know. “What about you?” Joon-ki returns. “Why didn’t you tell me?” Chang-soo doesn’t even know himself, but Joon-ki won’t let him off the hook that easily.
“You always say you like me. Fine, I know you like me. I like you too,” Joon-ki says flatly. “I know you don’t have any wickedness inside of you. You were like that since birth.” Chang-soo prickles at this and asks Joon-ki what he’s trying to say.
Joon-ki says it: “You have a sense of elitism down to your bones. If someone isn’t at the same level as you, you draw a subconscious line with them. In the past, I acted as if I didn’t feel your lack of awareness. But lately that insensibility is becoming more conscious.”
Chang-soo is floored by this whole new side of Joon-ki, accusing him of pursuing Yoon-ha only because he knew whose daughter she was. Even if that’s true, Joon-ki says, why would that upset Chang-soo? How are his actions immoral and Chang-soo’s aren’t?
Chang-soo claims that at least he’s been truthful, but that doesn’t seem to matter to Joon-ki. “This isn’t the face you’ve shown me until now,” Chang-soo grits out. Joon-ki gives him a patronizing pat on the shoulder as he replies, “You only saw what you wanted to see.”
The boys get into a fistfight that Chang-soo starts by accusing Joon-ki of being a twisted bastard. The girls find them wrestling like dogs on the ground before they break things up.
Ye-won finds an opportunity to bring up Yoon-ha’s love life to their mother, and like Chang-soo’s hyung, she acts way too supportive of having someone in their family marry for love.
Madam Min asks why Ye-won thinks she and Chairman Jang didn’t marry for love—because in their younger days, they loved each other very much. Then she sighs ruefully that old age, with all its problems, lasts far longer than youth. Life is unfair that way.
On his silent car ride home with Ji-yi, Chang-soo thinks back to his high school days, when Joon-ki had saved him from bullies. Similarly, Joon-ki remembers seeing Chang-soo only hang out with other chaebol heirs as his friend commented that they’d never become like them no matter how much they studied—because life is unfair that way.
While Yoon-ha just buys Joon-ki’s excuse that he and Chang-soo fought because that’s what men do sometimes, Ji-yi hears the same excuse and cries. She doesn’t care if it’s normal, she just doesn’t want Chang-soo getting hurt, so she makes him agree not to do something like it in the future.
“I won’t,” Chang-soo promises her, moved by how much she cares. Then he pulls her into a comforting embrace to ease her worries.
After submitting to Madam Min’s decree that she never go to the same spa as her again, Lady Kim returns home feeling defeated. She complains to Mama Lee that she’s always tried to be kind, but takes issue when Mama Lee doesn’t agree with her.
“I can’t lie,” Mama Lee says seriously. Haha. Their whole conversation here is just gold, with Lady Kim trying to figure out where Mama Lee disagrees with what she said only for Mama Lee to keep changing the subject to what’s for dinner.
Ji-yi calls up Yoon-ha to have a half-joking argument over which of their boyfriends started the fight, who’s more responsible, etc. Once they’re together, they both share their confusion over the fact that both their boyfriends told them that fighting is how men show affection.
They get all giggly and pleased with themselves when they point out that unlike the boys, they’re using civil discourse to work through their problems. If only they could spread their method to the rest of the world, life would be so much better.
Then Yoon-ha broaches the topic of Ji-yi’s job at the supermarket, if only to ask her if she’d like to work at her company now that she’s decided to work at Taejin. Ji-yi doesn’t think she can with only a high school education, though Yoon-ha tells her that her family is full of highly educated people—and look how nice they turned out.
Besides, Yoon-ha says, having a good heart is better than a good brain, and Ji-yi’s perfectly suited to a job where she gets to create make-up and win over women’s hearts. Ji-yi promises to think about it, though she’s concerned about how boss/employee relationships interfere with friendships after seeing Chang-soo and Joon-ki fight.
Yoon-ha insists that they would be equal in position (how?), so that wouldn’t be a problem. “We’re different from men,” she proclaims. “We’re not ignorant people who care only about status.” Even so, Ji-yi wants to think about it. This one’s got a head on her shoulders.
Chang-soo’s bad day continues when his mom confronts him over the part-timer she now knows he’s dating (thanks to his hyung), and when he doesn’t divulge any info, Mom calls Joon-ki. Joon-ki lies that he doesn’t know who Chang-soo’s dating, but Mom orders him to find out.
While brooding in front of a steamy mirror, Chang-soo thinks back to how much he treasured Joon-ki’s friendship above all things. Only now, he sees how one-sided their relationship really was. “Son of a bitch,” he growls.
Mama Lee sings Yoon-ha’s praises to Joon-ki, although no one’s told her that she’s not just a part-timer yet. Joon-ki asks his mother about concerns that are clearly on his mind, like whether she’d rather her son date someone more successful. Unfortunately for him, his mom would rather err on the side of love, not calculation.
He asks if his mother learned nothing from living with so little, and she sagely replies, “Even if I didn’t, I learned to live happily. Do you know how hard that is?” Joon-ki has no choice but to agree, but also finds no quarter with her regarding his father either.
Despite Joon-ki claiming he can’t understand his father the way he understands her, Mama Lee defends her husband without qualifiers. It’s not entirely clear why Joon-ki doesn’t speak highly of his dad other than that he’s crippled, and that he doesn’t seem to accept he’s crippled himself.
That’s when Mama Lee hands her son the business card left by Ye-won’s lackey, though she admits to not liking the man who gave it to her because he lied. “A person who lies from the beginning will continue to lie,” she says. Her words affect Joon-ki for reasons he knows all too well.
Someone’s been poking around about him at the office as well, where his douchey colleague was all too happy to inform him that he told them exactly what kind of person he is.
Joon-ki takes Yoon-ha to an art exhibit date, both of them unaware that someone’s watching and photographing their every move. When a despondent Chang-soo calls Yoon-ha to tell her he has something to say, Joon-ki starts to sweat. Ruh roh.
Madam Min sets to drinking again when she thinks about how heartless her husband has been regarding Kyung-joon’s disappearance, and confronts him to ask if he even cried when he first heard the news.
Despite his claims to the contrary, Madam Min furtively believes he didn’t even mourn, using his bid to file Kyung-joon as missing for tax credits as proof that he doesn’t feel a thing. While he forces her to acknowledge her alcoholism, she forces him to acknowledge that everything he’s doing is just to keep his current position.
“Have you ever thought that you’re living well because I’m keeping this position?” he yells at her. With tears running down her face, Madam Min says hoarsely, “Let’s divorce. I can’t live with someone like you.” She’s thought about it before but has only found the courage now, and leaves her husband with these cutting words: “I’m tired of hating you.”
Joon-ki knows something serious is up when Chang-soo’s disconnected his cell phone, and it’s only confirmed when he delivers documents for him to sign to his office. That’s a task above Joon-ki’s pay grade, Chang-soo says, so they should start acting only within the confines of their official positions from now on.
At least Joon-ki gets his permission to speak as a friend and not just an employee before he asks, “Am I really a friend to you?” Chang-soo thinks Joon-ki’s just trying to manipulate his sincerity like before, and for all we know, maybe he is.
Joon-ki doesn’t try to prove that he was a good friend to Chang-soo, only that he knows Chang-soo very, very well—well enough to have figured out how to use Chang-soo’s need for validation in order to earn his trust.
Likewise, he knows him well enough to have predicted this outcome should Chang-soo have ever figured things out: “You’re immature, just as I thought.” He re-establishes the distance Chang-soo wanted to put between them by acting as an employee again before leaving.
“Childish,” Chang-soo says after he’s gone. “So childish.”
COMMENTS
First things first: You’re both being pretty childish. Second, though arguments can be made for how neither Joon-ki or Chang-soo are perfect, there’s a difference between deliberately using someone with malice of forethought and someone like Chang-soo, who maybe could work on his self-awareness, but who is for the most part not actively trying to take advantage of other people.
Intent matters when you have someone like Joon-ki claiming that he’s doing nothing wrong by manipulating his way up the social ladder, especially when he has so much contempt for Chang-soo just by virtue of him being born into a rich family. It’s kind of scary to think that the years Joon-ki’s spent with Chang-soo have only deepened his resentment for him, and that even after all that he still feels practically nothing for him. Does Joon-ki truly have no pity when it comes to chaebols? Even if Chang-soo’s naive and subconsciously elitist, is it really possible to spend that much time with someone and not find any humanizing qualities within them?
It really makes me wonder about Joon-ki, who believes in what he’s doing with such conviction that he’s unshakable even when faced with his own mother’s opposite values. Sure, maybe he feels flutters of guilt every now and then, but it’s clearly not enough to make him turn inward and really examine what he’s doing to other people. Though I guess to Joon-ki, people like Chang-soo and Yoon-ha aren’t people—they’re just walking bags of money to be used at will.
Which isn’t to say that none of Joon-ki’s grievances against Chang-soo are unsubstantiated, or that he can’t feel wronged too. But he’s talking like he’s on the highest moral horse when he just isn’t, and even if Chang-soo has a running undercurrent of classism, then Joon-ki needs to recognize that his victim mentality is way more conscious and pervasive. Part of me wonders what he actually wants to achieve by using people the way he is. If he has such hatred toward the privileged, is he trying to become one of them to change the status quo, or does he just feel that’s what he’s owed after losing the lottery of birth?
Whatever his true reasoning is, I do wish we knew enough about it to feel more for him. This episode was a positive step for him inasmuch as it showed the severely negative side of him simmering beneath the surface, but I also liked that it gave previously sidelined characters more meaningful moments. Ye-won isn’t just some corporate villain scheming in her own little world, Lady Kim is really quite pitiable, and even Madam Min has feelings. Well, whenever Yoon-ha isn’t within a five mile radius, anyway. Progress is progress.
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Tags: featured, High Society, Im Ji-yeon, Park Hyung-shik, Sung Joon, UEE
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26 TJ
July 2, 2015 at 5:31 PM
I completely disagree with the assessment of Joon ki in this recap. He's using people sure but how have either of them been hurt buy it? Both in true Chaebol fashion have gained from their interactions with Joon ki. Chang soo more so because of their long term relationship. Joon ki has actually been his lackey all along and Joon ki knows it even if Chang soo wants to delude himself into thinking otherwise. That's why Joon ki can finally so frankly ask Chang soo "why are my actions immoral and yours aren't". Yoon ha gets exactly what she needs from Joon ki, a shoulder to lean on. I'm not sure yet how he benefited from outing her. I hope the writers clear that up rather than leave it a ham handed plot vehicle. I also hope they don't turn either one of the boys into a monster. We've already got a couple of those in this drama. Despite the fact my boy Sung Joon is dying here I still lie this drama.
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howforwardsale
July 2, 2015 at 6:15 PM
Ditto
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Gasenadi
July 8, 2015 at 1:34 PM
I agree with you. Now, that reporter meeting outraged me, at first. Seemed like a low-down, dirty paparazzi thing to do. Then I thought, "Shrewd, manipulative, calculating JK must have a very good reason for this because on the surface, it LOOKS really bad."
THEN, as mentioned I think in the previous ep., the outing benefits HER AND TJ Group's image, especially given the recent scandals and the drop in share prices. It would only benefit HIM if Chairman decided the man behind that strategy was worth having on the team. At this point in the drama, just the opposite has happened.
Don't worry, all. JK will get his due comeuppance in true kdrama style, maybe even moreso. Given this writer's propensity to tweak tropes, I'm excited to see what's coming.
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Gasenadi
July 8, 2015 at 1:38 PM
Oh! And I forgot. The outing in the newspapers also associated her with her family, and could possibly stop her from leaving her home, which he feared she might do.
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27 Jackeline
July 2, 2015 at 5:57 PM
I keep on wanting to like this drama because I LOVE all four leading actors and the melodrama premise is something that, while I don't love, would watch just for the heck of it.
But episode after episode, I just find myself losing interest... there's just a huge sense of disconnect with all the characters that I don't even know what I'm watching anymore. I honestly can't say if this is a problem with directing, writing, or acting - maybe all three. I found UEE's acting fairly good in all her previous dramas, and I absolutely adored Sung Joon in INR3, but here they both seem flat. Lim Ji Yeon's character is pretty much too naive/nice to be real, and she hasn't had much progress from episode 1. I like Hyung Sik in this, but even then his character is sometimes infuriating as hell.
I have no understanding for these characters' motives, and the plot is not making much sense. I'm thinking I'll probably drop this for now, and go back to power through it once all the episodes have aired. ><
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28 Adal
July 2, 2015 at 6:15 PM
I felt sorry for Madam mistress in this episode, she's growing older, her looks are fading, and she's gradually losing the interest of her sugar daddy. Am I the only one who hates her make over? She actually looked prettier in her former "come hither clothes". These new suits she is wearing really date her and is not her style. I wonder why she never thought of her future and put away funds for a rainy day. She can't expect to be a mistress forever!
Yes, Madam Min, divorce your husband if you are too miserable to live with him anymore. Rather than drinking yourself to death and hating him and yourself. I wish I could feel more sympathy for you, but I don't, not when you turned your daughter into your whipping boy. At least now, you are venting your vitriol on the right targets: your husband and his mistress instead of on your innocent daughter.
Ye won is such a user. She was all polite, nice and respectful to the mistress when she wanted to meet her dad at his mistresses' place, but now that mom has something she wants; it's cold shoulder to the mistress and smiles at mom. I do hope mom doesn't get fooled by her daughter. And she is rather stupid. She surrounds herself with a "yes man" who tells her what she wants to hear. And he is piling on the lies and conjectures just to keep his job. I predict she's gonna fall like a ton of bricks cause that's the wrong way to lead. And yes, for the record Yoon ha is prettier than So-hyun! So much jealousy among the sisters! Sigh.
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mia
July 2, 2015 at 11:57 PM
Quite refreshing...for a change we turn off the spot lights on the 4 leads, analysing them to death ad nauseum, and wonder further afield to the 'lesser' characters. REALLY liking your quick on-target takes of them...haha, agreed that YH is prettier than that utterly vain air head So-hyun LOL
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29 Adal
July 2, 2015 at 6:24 PM
Ji Yi and Yoon ha could work together professionally if Yoon ha doesn't become flaky (we all know she sometimes is with her decision making) and if she continues to treat Ji Yi with respect, consideration and professional courtesy. Friends from different stratas of life have been known to work together successfully, even some married coupes navigate this successfully, so it can work out. Yoon ha will have Ji Yi's absolute loyalty and a different perspective which could prove invaluable to Yoon ha given her chaebol background.
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30 jenniecha
July 2, 2015 at 7:06 PM
Is anybody else shipping Yoon Ha and Chang Soo together? I get that they're with their respective couple, but their first meeting had such potential to be a great storyline, but now they're with other people. I don't know, I like that Chang Soo is sorta calling Joon Ki out on his fake interactions with Yoon Ha.
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ara
July 3, 2015 at 3:58 AM
I did and maybe still did but CS and JY have good interaction, adorable and the chemistry sparkling,
on the other hand, CS and YH chemistry also work better than YH-JK, even if we didn't know if JK really loves YH,
the story, character and the chemistry between CS and YH can also provide a meaty storyline, well mean not everyone need cinderella story, cinderella is originally a rich girl that mistreated by his step mom
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31 usanotsuki
July 2, 2015 at 7:11 PM
Funny while most are critisizing joonki, what draws me to this drama is sungjoon potrayal of joonki.. Am i the only one here that interested in joonki and how will he react in the future?
Yes, he started with the wrong intention, but it's obvious he do at least care about younha (if not unnoticedly falling for her too yet).. He hasnt done anything immoral, and yet ppl are hating his character (if he's a real douchebag, he would've taken advantage of younha when she sleep over because i'm sure younha would give her all to him)..
We can actually see he does feel guilty although for a brief moment.. I think joonki is a guy that wanted to be cold and evil but deep down he's a good guy especially from Mama Lee upbringing..
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Spi
July 3, 2015 at 12:31 AM
No you're not. I'm actually only curious how things will turn out for Joon-gi because I sort of already have an idea how they will for other characters. He is the least predictable character in here.
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Rhubarb
July 6, 2015 at 7:52 PM
I love his character. Contrary to what most people are saying instead of finding him wooden, I find him sort of brittle, in a good way. He's trying to play it cool, but ther is a lot going on. He's an unknown quantity, a great mix of goals, ambition, guilt, indecision, and, i hope, a product of his lovely family.
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32 usanotsuki
July 2, 2015 at 7:14 PM
And the 2nd leads, although they're cute it so typical k-drama rom com..
I hope the writers will focus more on joonki and younha development..
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33 katshirou
July 2, 2015 at 7:33 PM
I stopped watching at Ep 4, I think. Now, I'm just following the recaps here. Don't know why this is getting higher ratings every week. Sorry -_- I still adore CSxJY though. They totally deserve to be the lead couple instead. JK now feels flat to me, no progress. We're halfway there, but he and YH are just going back and forth. No development. Shame. It was a promising drama at the start, too.
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34 sancheezy
July 2, 2015 at 7:44 PM
I think the biggest reason why I can't understand and root for joonki is because of sungjoon. Reading recaps makes the story much clearer.
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35 Odessa Jones
July 2, 2015 at 7:56 PM
It's interesting that the vitriol toward Joon Ki is mostly due to the fear of what he could do--but hasn't so far. The worst thing he's done is fail to be obviously in love. But it would be truly manipulative if, say, he took YH up on her offer when she said she wanted to stay with him forever. (Or took her up on her "offer" when she spent the night.) Instead, he is following her lead and going along with her and sometimes even trying to slow her down.
The rather lackluster way Sung Joon plays the character isn't as satisfying as I would like. But it does mean we can guess anything we want about JK's motives.
Isn't it possible he got interested in YH because he learned she was a secret heiress, but that he's as surprised as we are that she suddenly went off the deep end for him? I get the impression he does want to marry up, and perhaps he thinks love is overrated, but that's hardly super-villain stuff. He also doesn't want to be some chaebol daughter's boy-toy. He's a garden variety opportunist, not an evil manipulator.
For poor boy wreaks evil on rich family, we've got Seok Hoon in Mask. JK just seems kinda confused by comparison. I suspect we'll learn something about the news story and it wasn't entirely JK's fault. And I'm starting to see how similar he and Yoon Ha are--both very insecure.
These guys are flawed but neither are villains.
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Joanna
July 2, 2015 at 8:22 PM
yeah, watching Mask at the same time is a hoot.
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36 ck1Oz
July 2, 2015 at 8:14 PM
Thanks for the dose of reality in between recapping the scenes.
I find this drama entertaining. Not enough to cry or rage over it. As a drama it moves along and on somewhat cliche scenes about chaebol
Frankly, I still don't empathize or feel for the main male lead. Or in fact for the main couple. There is not enough depth or back story for me to say- yay make it.
As much as I love the 2nd couple I don't see a happy ending. Not without a time jump. Or a suspension of disbelief. Please don't give her hidden rich relatives, or his parents suddenly being nice. His brother is still a douchebag.
So yeah, it will be interesting to see how it's resolved. In the meantime, it's entertaining. And I need something to watch Mon and Tue. So it will do.
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37 abc
July 2, 2015 at 8:31 PM
Joonki is just so annoying that i dare not read any comments, should any/lots be justifying him n his victim mentality or his thinking that he's so morally upright or deserving to do/see anything he wants as justifiable acts but not for the chaebols, nope, not a reason/excuse accepted. Sure, Changsoo isn't all that perfect but its seems he's more willing to accept his own imperfection. Yoonha is just as annoying as Joonki. her mentality is bubblewrapped or sth, thinking she's so morally upright and 'different' when all she does just shows the opposite. She's just a typical chaebol unwilling to admit/accept that she's no special snowflake. Ugh....well, i still find it fun to watch a drama filled with so many unlikable leads, i just hate it when people seem to feel the need to make them likable by justifying their blerhness just because the need to like the leads. idk. whatever. Thanks for the recap. I feel that the notes really captures my own frustration with the characters, and in that, i find some comfort.
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soapbox
July 2, 2015 at 9:18 PM
"well, i still find it fun to watch a drama filled with so many unlikable leads, i just hate it when people seem to feel the need to make them likable by justifying their blerhness just because the need to like the leads."
I love this lol, it's so true. I think it's fine to enjoy an unlikable/bad fictional character, just don't make excuses for his/her actions.
Hell, I enjoyed watching Walter White (Breaking Bad) and he was a straight up villain by the end.
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ara
July 3, 2015 at 4:15 AM
I also think the lead is not supposed to be nice person that we all can identified with, but at least bring problem and show why he is the main lead,
and it is unfortunate that the 2nd lead male is really do justice in his own character, when the lead is not really,
I feel some really think that by justifying CS flaws will neutralize JK flaw, what's wrong if they both are not nice person, what matter is how they develop and how they portrayed
I watch Secret and both male lead also unlikable, not to mention breaking bad (I am the danger)
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38 azurebliss
July 2, 2015 at 8:39 PM
Changsoo is definitely flawed and eventho he says that he's being honest, it still doesnt make his actions correct. In my opinion, he has that moment with Yoonha regarding the 'dont give all of your heart' thing not because he fears losing a potential chaebol match, but bcause I think tht he does care for Yoonha. I dunno what he was thinking abt hiring the papparazi on JK-YH's date tho. I also think tht he will understand why Yoonha would easily give all her heart to JK, cause damn! Jiyi has a one way ticket to his heart and there's no more turning back, at least not for him.
Jiyi's :'Don't fight, I was so scared for you. Dont want you to get hurt.' Shows how she cares for him, and CS knows that too. Yes, he buys her clothes, takes her out on an expensive date etc. They do all of those typical chaebol-poor pairing activities. He's dating and having fun with her all right, but I don't think CS is capable of making Jiyi his mistress. Hate him, Jiyi and even me all you want, but I truly believe that CS respects Jiyi enough to not do that to her.
With all that said, let the crazy break up and courting phase begin!
BTW, Yoonha and CS definitely care for JY, but how abt JK? Does he relate to JY, both being non chaebols? YH and CS are targets for JK, pawns or rooks in his chess game, the question is, is JY a pawn (that he too will use) or not in the chess board at all?
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39 priya
July 2, 2015 at 8:42 PM
@Hipployta i kinda disagree with some of your points. Changsoo is not worse or even as bad as JK cuz like most ppl r saying he is being honest and he is giving her the choice to walk out. She is just choosing not to. Beside even though he went to the blind date, he walked out the second he got there and went to ji yi. He even tried to get out of it at the beginning bt his mom wudnt let him. He did have the right to say no and tell his mom ahout ji yi bt that wud be too quick. His character is slowly developing and his feelings for ji yi is becoming deeper. And I dont think he poured the drink on her because she wasnt interested. I thought it was cuz of the way she dressed up to make him say no to the marriage. Thats what pissed him off cuz he thought she was using him. Main point he is not manipulative like JK cuz he is not manipulating anyone into believing anything. He told ji yi straight to her face we dont have a future and yoon ha knew he went on a date with her so he cud marry her and upgrade his status. ( sorry for my ranting :) ) I admit he has his flaws such as using JK bt he kind of did it unknowingly. He thought that because they r frnds JK shud do these stuff for him even thats not right.
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mia
July 3, 2015 at 12:16 AM
"I admit he has his flaws such as using JK bt he kind of did it unknowingly. He thought that because they r frnds JK shud do these stuff for him even thats not right."
If you think he is using JK but doing this 'using' unknowingly....this just proves my point that he lacks self awareness, lacks the ability to look into himself, lacking empathy.
Does he knows the value of true friendship ? How can one call it friendship when they think 'because they r frnds, JK shud do these stuff for him even that's not right '? Actually what they had for years are definitely NOT true friendship, although JK might have some kind feelings for CS, even after knowing that chaebols are a pain in the butt expecting everyone to jump at the a snap of their fingers.
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SSR
July 4, 2015 at 10:35 AM
It is me again, mia..lol.. Dont have the chance to write everytime so bear with me :D
Yeah I think CS lacks of self-awareness (but I'm not sure if I understant what you mean correctly since my eng. is not that good:/ ) So what?... Is this a bad thing and making him a bad guy? Even at this age, sometimes I cant know/understand myself either. If I'm too a bad guy, so be it:p
I think it is not the value of true friendship that CS doesnt know, it is true friendship itself.. He doesnt know how to be a true friend because not only he didnt have one but also bc none teach him that. We see what advices his mother gives him right? And likely his father and brothers arent different. What he is doing is the same thing that others do in his rich world. If you dont have someone who teach you what is right and what is wrong in some specific matter, how you would know? And for me the one who doent know "the value" of true friendship is JK.. If he had known, he would come clear with it so much earlier since like he said to CS; his(CS) behaviors was unconscious not deliberately.
What makes the real difference between JK and CS for me is INTENTION. Let me give an ex. There is one guy who kills someone with intention&will and there is the other one who does kill accidentally. Because the RESULT is the SAME(since there is a death body), how come this makes two MEN the same?
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40 blubluskye
July 2, 2015 at 9:17 PM
Thanks Heads for the recap and analysis!
1. "The two couples enter the club and proceed to do the opposite of tearing up the dance floor"
Your words just tickled my bones! I hid my face behind my pillow when this scene played. Cringe-worthy moment indeed. JYP's song was playing in the background, was it a promotion for his song? Lol.
2. "While Yoon-ha just buys Joon-ki’s excuse that he and Chang-soo fought because that’s what men do sometimes, Ji-yi hears the same excuse and cries. She doesn’t care if it’s normal, she just doesn’t want Chang-soo getting hurt, so she makes him agree not to do something like it in the future."
I loved how you put this into words! That essentially marks the difference between Yoon-ha and Ji-yi. Yoon-ha's too naive and easily buys into every lies she hears, I feel! Pffft. Ji-yi's so sweet, and I do hope it infects on Chang-soo soon. Chang-soo, you got to realize the worth of this girl!!
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41 priya
July 3, 2015 at 2:12 AM
@mia my point isnt that changsoo was the perfect frnd. It was changsoo isnt as bad as JK. I did admit he has his flaws and he wasnt the perfect frnd bt he didnt understand that. JK, on the hand, completely understands what he was and is doing bt he doesnt admit it. He manipulates ppl by showing them what they wan
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42 priya
July 3, 2015 at 2:16 AM
Want to see. If he dislikes changsoo's behavior so much, he shud have pointed it out or ended the frndship instead of taking it all in and letting his resentment for changsoo grow.
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mia
July 3, 2015 at 7:03 AM
This drama up to episode 8 gives out very little the background how it was between CS and JK all those past years. We don't really know that JK 'dislikes CS's behaviour SO MUCH' all this while ! But we do know from certain scenes that JK is the stronger one and the smarter one and that CS is always seeking out JK for his advice and plans. And the playful moments of the two together....in the pool, cycling, in the gym wash room, in the car together going somewhere...these moments did show a kind of genuine friendliness....but in other scenes, it also show up JK's dislike of CS only when our chaebol acted up....when 'slaves' can never be in the same league as the masters.
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43 mira
July 3, 2015 at 8:14 AM
I think I am hating Chan Soo more at this point than Joon Ki.
Up until now Joon Ki was at the top of my hate list...
What Joon Ki said was true, that Chan Soo draws the line. It is not fun to be around people who constantly established how they are superior to you. Not just by existing, but often actually pronouncing it. It's tiring.
Also Joon Ki sure is using Yoon Ha. However, I am not sure to what extent that is true when it comes to Chan Soo.
He might be taking advantage of him being Chan Soo's friend but he himself is talented, smart and capable. He might end up getting just as much advantage if he goes to a different company.
Even though he knows Chan Soo's brother clearly has an upper hand and possibly do him more good, he is not switching side or back stabbing Chan Soo.
So I don't know where Chan Soo gets the right to be all virtuous and righteous when he has no regards for Ji Yi's feeling or future and doesn't stop to think the consequence of his action on Ji Yi.
That's why right now, Joon Ki sound closer to truth than any one else.
"Is Chan Soo contemptuous cuz Chan Soo's partner can become Joon Ki's partner ? How come the marriage tactic Chan Soo so openly admits to as something he will use suddenly become immoral when Joon Ki thinks of using it too ?"
Admitting to committing a crime doesn't make it a less of a crime. It's still a crime.
A mafia boos saying "yes I did it, whatcha gonna do ?" vs a more low key thief trying to still. Both are bad but I will hate the mafia more.
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mira
July 3, 2015 at 8:16 AM
*steal
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sancheezy
July 3, 2015 at 11:16 AM
By asking, he admit he did it, the diff is how they treat the 3rd related party, it's not a crime to have arrange marriage but if you need thief comparison, what CS and younha did is mutual trade that known and can be used by both. While JK is planned to used YH and told the reporter about her so she get noticed by her dad as heiress when she didn't want it.
The mafia steal in the victim permission/knowing, when the low key plan if not already steal it without victim knows and told her secret to the public while still act nice alongside the victim, the low key who also best friend with mafia and the lover of the victim, who hurt her most? When the victim clearly want to have nornal life without being used and get lued, that is where JK get off
I am not defending CS, but in YH case, he treats her personal life better, with respect than her supposedly nice boyfriend on her eyes.
Why would you sell her story when you know she don't want it and treat her nice because you later would used her
CS in not nice person overa but in YH case, he did her justice
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44 anon
July 3, 2015 at 9:27 AM
Why do I feel like people are way less understanding of YH and JK, compared to the second leads??
And I feel like people are unaccepting of YH because of her ridiculous naivity, but please, there are actually people like this in this world. I find there is reasoning behind her change. But yet, people seem to just complain rather than wanting to understand the character? Yet not the case with the second leads... -_-
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Miki
July 3, 2015 at 2:38 PM
Thank you! I feel like I'm not even watching the same show based on some of these comments.
I see so many people wondering why YH fell for JK. Yet no one questions how quickly JY fell for Cs? Why did she fall for him so easily, considering she had a crush on JG? Even if she gave him up for YH, that was a quick turnaround. Could it have been the lift he gave her to her house? Smh. I think some people here fell for the 2nd leads first, so they turn a blind eye to the main leads, no matter what they do.
Another thing I don't get is out of YH and YJ, who is in the worse position? The one who doesn't know that she's being tricked and trying her best? Or is it the one completely walking in the fire? I just find it ironic that people think YH is the more naive one in the love situation. YH's personality wouldn't go through with that if she knew. Yet YJ has been scathed this way before, and she's willing to do it again - this time with her two eyes open.
CS flair to me is the only reason why he seems more likeable, but at the end of the day he's no better than JK. They both are willing to use people to get what they want. No matter how it seems that he's falling for JY, he still has plans to marry YH. The same can said be for JK. He's falling for YH, but his plan is still in motion. The only difference is that JK has no idea of marrying and having a mistress on the side.
All four leads have issues. I just think the second leads get too much slack for the things they do, while the main leads are being criticized for every movement and words they say. They're all flawed characters. None is better than the other.
It's why I think this drama is doing well at a realistic portrayal of humans. You have people like YH who believe you can be good, loving, have a family, and not be defined by your social status, etc. Then you have people like JK who feels their social status limits them from achieving greatness, like they have to do twice the work, and grit their teeth if they want to make it. Also YJ, who seems content with just having a stable job, daydreaming, wanting to settle down, but doesn't want to go out of the box too much when it comes to love. Still, that's where she's at. And then people like CS who feels like they're entitled to certain things based on their social background, the family one has, the looks, etc. We can also look at the oldest sister who feels like the only way she can make it into the male-dominated business world is to be ruthless; her kids, even her morals are being stripped in order for her to attain that. And YH's mother who resents most of her children, especially the youngest, because she feels she's the one who turned her husband away from her, etc. Sad, but true, I've seen this happen and it's not pleasant. Women are critiqued so much for their bodies: being in shape, young, etc.
There's so much more, but this is just a bit of what I think the show's excelling at.
I think the...
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45 LizzyD
July 3, 2015 at 3:01 PM
I appreciate this writer because she doesn't write black and white characters. They are all gray and this makes them less likeable, but more realistic and relatable. Chang Soo and Joon Ki are both "bad" men, but in very different ways. For the poster who tried to relate it to the mafia confessing or not to a crime. i don't think that's a fair comparison. If we must use crime as an example- it would be more accurate to consider the intent to commit the crime (premeditation), which does make a difference in the eyes of the law. Joon Ki's actions are despicable in my opinion because his every word and action is premeditated and manipulative, designed to prey on the other person's (Yoon Ha) weaknesses. The writer has made it very clear that he researched her background prior to approaching her and from the moment he made his decision to hook her, every move he has made has been carefully planned. Even if he has since developed true affection for her or feels guilty for his deception, it doesn't change the fact that their relationship started with lies and deception. Whether you hate Sung Joon's acting or he's your #1 bias does not matter, this is how his character and his actions have been written by the screenwriter!
I don't know why everyone is comparing Chang Soo's treatment of Ji Yi with how Joon Ki has reeled in Yoon Ha. The scenarios are completely different and so are the characters. Example- Married Man A is cheating on his wife. He tells the mistress that he is married and has no plans to divorce his wife. Mistress decides to be with him anyway. Married Man B is cheating on his wife too. He takes off his ring and presents himself as a single man to his unwitting mistress. Both men are bastards for cheating on his wife but Man B is an even bigger bastard for the premeditated deception. Furthermore, Mistress A has made the choice to be with a married man. Mistress B has no idea what hit her and thinks she's found a good man. This to me is the difference between Chang Soo-Ji Yi and Joon Ki-Yoon Ha. If these girls were our friends, we'd probably encourage them to ditch both men. But at least Ji Yi has the chance to make the "wrong" decision. The man Yoon Ha is dating isn't even a real person, but an image that Joon Ki has presented to her.
The comparison between Joon Ki's relationship with Yoon Ha and Chang Soo's marriage date/arrangement with Yoon Ha is completely ridiculous! The latter is essentially a business contract, with both sides agreeing to and benefitting from the arrangement. Both parties and their parents are going into it with eyes wide open. There are agencies in S. Korea that set these things up and you are provided with an entire detailed background (education, finances, etc.) on the other party. In what universe is this the same as a man secretly investigating a woman and then deciding to approach her and date her while pretending he doesn't know she's rich?!
The Joon Ki vs. Chang Soo debate-...
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SSR
July 4, 2015 at 10:36 AM
THIS!!! Thank you.
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Gasenadi
July 8, 2015 at 2:04 PM
Yes, that essentially establishes why JK will get his butt thoroughly kicked by the drama gods. His comeuppance will be painful, that's for sure.
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46 LizzyD
July 3, 2015 at 3:01 PM
The Joon Ki vs. Chang Soo debate- no it's not an "equal friendship". Setting aside who approached whom in high school for what reason, if you want your friend to respect you then stand on your own two feet. In the US, rental deposit is at most 2x your monthly rent. My friend spent $15,000 dollars on the security deposit for a teeny tiny apartment just outside of Seoul. In other words, the apartment and car security deposits for Joon Ki were a crapload of money. Nothing is free in this world and Joon Ki knows that better than most. Does that fancy car and apartment enhance his work in any way? No, they don't. He WANTED nice things so he CHOSE to let Chang Soo buy them for him. Even if it's a loan, until you've paid you're still indebted the person. Maybe if he had not accepted those things plus the job at Chang Soo's company, he wouldn't have felt so inferior and could have spoken his mind more in front of Chang Soo. Yes, Chang Soo is a smug rich jerk, but Joon Ki made the decision to stick by his side (for the perks) so he really cannot complain about being disrespected. Respect is either earned or established by surrounding yourself with people who respect you (and hopefully you reciprocate). Joon Ki has done neither so why is he acting like people have done him wrong?
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chertrig
July 3, 2015 at 9:33 PM
Very Well Said!!
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Gasenadi
July 8, 2015 at 2:10 PM
Exactly. I'm hoping, after JK goes through all the levels of kdrama Hades for his crimes, that he pays back the rent deposit, returns the car and works for people who truly respect him and his work. Oh, and openly pursues a loving wife at his social level.
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47 Audrey
July 3, 2015 at 7:29 PM
but hyungsik is natural
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48 Minoluv60
July 4, 2015 at 8:51 AM
JK cant be as truthful as CS is with JY because YH would never accept such an arrangement like YJ. however I think that JK is sincere towards YH and respectiful too. Even before when he first saw her in the lift you could see he was intrigued by her. the fact that she turned out to be thuis rich heiress was just a big bonus. Truth be told JK treats YH well and hence she fell for him unlike CS who doesn't treat JY right but she agrees to see him still.
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49 Camille W
July 6, 2015 at 1:38 PM
Im so late here. I forgot to check for HS recap. Thanks so much for the recap HeadsNo2!!!! U get me. I really enjoyed these two eps so well. They were much stronger so im looking forward to todays ep. I agree with everything u said abt JK. While both men have their faults, CS is the victim here. And what JK did to him is wrong and he shouldn't feel so self-righteous abt using CS who thought that they were bffs. Plus JK noted that CS is elitist subconsciously. Thus, he has nvr done it consciously i.e aware that he's being classist. He was always sincere despite his deep seated beliefs.
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50 Gasenadi
July 8, 2015 at 2:31 PM
Thanks so much for the recap, HeadsNo2. Really appreciate it and look forward to the next ones.
"What is it about Joon-ki that inspires such adoration in others when he gives nothing substantial in return? Is it just his dashing good looks that lead people to think he has a soul?" By others I take it you mean the characters in the drama - JY, YH and CS? And Mama Lee? (Guess she doesn't count, hehe.)
I don't adore JK and don't think your facetious, I know, reference to evidence of his soul requires much substance. I'll just go with some wisps of humanity I've seen thus far: his concern for JY as a potential date for CS, from the very beginning, as expressed to CS's face; the fact that he DID let him win the bike race; the fact that he DID prevent CS' bullying in school; the fact that he defended his father from an abusive bully; the fact that he desperately wants the best for his impoverished family; the fact that he DIDN'T give JY's information to CS' mom. There are more but I'll stop.
I know the evidence seems stacked against him and he will probably suffer at the hands of the kdrama gods for his temerity. I'm looking forward to the remaining episodes and how Writer-nim proceeds. Thanks again.
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