Heirs: Episode 16
by javabeans
There’s a twist or two in today’s proceedings, as both brothers smarten up and batten down the hatches in anticipation of warring with Dad. We’ve been building up to this showdown all series long, and with futures—and hearts—on the line, the stakes climb ever higher in this game of family strife. It’s a bit of a relief to see the battle begin after spending so much time watching characters maneuver their pawns into position, though sadly to say I think the drama sort of folds back on itself in making its point. But it’s not like that’s news to anybody, is it?
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EPISODE 16 RECAP
So Eun-sang takes the deal with the chairman devil, accepting his plane ticket to exile in exchange for a two weeks all-access pass to Tan. Not really a fair trade, but it’s not like she sees a better option.
Mom receives a flurry of text messages from people to whom she owed money, thanking her for paying back the loan. Mom’s first thought is that her severance came in early and she asks Madam Han about it. That makes Madam Han panic at the thought of losing her favorite housekeeper and she huffs, You’re wanting your pay NOW? Are you thinking of another boss right now? Who is she? How far have you gone? It’s cute.
Eun-sang doesn’t know about this either, though she realizes that the chairman must have paid off their debts behind their backs, wasting no time shoving her out of their lives.
Now she’s allowed up the staircase and puts on a smiling face for Tan, who pulls her inside, thinking she sneaked past the guards. She lets him think that, saying she missed him so much she had to see him. He pulls her into a hug, and she apologizes for being the cause of his captivity, but he sets her straight and takes responsibility for it: “I came back of my own will, so that I could stop being locked up. Because the way to be with you isn’t being with you.” Okay, I get what you’re saying, even though semantically what you just said makes no sense.
He asks her to trust him no matter what he chooses: “Now all I have left is you.” He holds her close, and she cries silently.
Won has a drink with Manager Yoon, who even now is playing neutral and not taking his side, which Won notes wryly. Manager Yoon suggests that he try understanding Tan’s position, but Won has lived through the past generation’s bitter sibling strife after Grandpa died and his aunts and uncles turned on each other. Why try to understand Tan when that fight is in his future? I guess the option of not fighting is not on the table.
Won had offered Manager Yoon a new job as his vice president, an offer Manager Yoon is still considering. He says he’ll answer soon.
In the morning, Tan keeps a close eye on the front gate security feed. Are we back to the stalking-is-romantic line? Eun-sang anticipates that Tan may be watching and writes him a greeting, sending a wave up at the camera.
Eun-sang gets a few snide remarks on her way in to school, and then is accosted by reporters eager for an interview with anybody who knows Tan. She’s rescued by her tormentor-turned-black knight Young-do, who takes over the conversation and sends her along. When asked if he’s close with Tan, Young-do quips that he’s Jeguk’s third son, and Myung-soo(k) chimes in with a girlish “And I’m the youngest daughter.” Lol. They both win points for that, defusing the situation in the best way possible.
Eun-sang finds her locker trashed and her gym clothes soaked in soy milk. So Young-do orders a whole stockpile of the stuff from the store, then winds up to throw a box at the other lockers. (I always wonder at the stuff that happens off-screen in moments like this—so are they just standing around for twenty minutes, twiddling their thumbs while waiting for the delivery?)
Young-do’s thought process is that he’ll get the culprit if he just throws milk everywhere, to which Eun-sang exclaims, “You’re going to ruin everything just to ruin the culprit?” Uh, are you unfamiliar with his style by now? He is Mr. Scorched Earth.
She thanks him for the thought but declines the gesture. Young-do leaves the soy milk to her, and she hands them out to Bo-na and Chan-young. They’re suspicious, of course, and ask if she’s experiencing any ill effects, heh.
Eun-sang gives Bo-na the promised photo of childhood Chan-young, and then apologizes to Bo-na before giving Chan-young a hug. I love the look on his face, all discomfort and confusion, which is then mirrored on Bo-na’s face when she gets the next hug. Eun-sang can’t explain that she’s saying her goodbyes, so she just says it was a whim.
Manager Yoon shows up for his tutoring session with Tan, and clues him in to the possibility of Dad sending Eun-sang to study abroad. Phew, thank goodness that secret’s out. Tan storms into his father’s office, takes back his phone, and calls stepmom Madam Jung—he requests her aid in getting to school, knowing she’ll agree because of the stock he now holds, and stocks are leverage in this family.
Dad barks that that isn’t why he gave him those stocks, but Tan says that Dad was the one who gave him that sword to wield now as bargaining chip. Tan warns his father to lay off Eun-sang, because if he doesn’t, he may have to swing that sword and strike somebody down.
Madam Jung picks Tan up, and their conversation on the way to school is dripping with thinly veiled antagonism. She helped, but he’ll have to pay a price for it later. Upon arrival at school, they present a united front for the benefit of the reporters, and the friends marvel that they’ve never seen the two looking so close.
Tan walks straight into class, packs up Eun-sang’s things without a word, and pulls her into Myung-soo’s workshop. Digging through her bag, he finds the plane ticket for Buenos Aires. Feeling betrayed, he asks, “Do you even like me? Or trust me?” Ripping the ticket to shreds, he asks how she could accept the ticket, knowing it would banish her from Korea forever, and then smile at him.
She says that she was scared, but he says she should have let him fight his father directly—after losing everything but her, he can’t then also lose her. He apologizes for making her cry.
Young-do joins them, and Tan surprises them all by asking him to hold onto Eun-sang until Tan can come back for her. I’m not sure what’s worse: that they’re back to passing Eun-sang back and forth between them, or the fact that it actually seems to be a viable way to handle the situation. Ugh.
It’s a full-fledged spectacle as the Jeguk family arrives at a restaurant like it’s a red-carpet event. The family dinner is mostly for a convenient photo op, but it’s also when Chairman Dad drops the bomb that the next stockholders meeting will be about Won’s dismissal as president. Gasp.
Won is blindsided, stunned that the directors he personally put in place would then vote him out, but Dad decrees that their loyalty is to him above all else. This is what Won gets for acting behind Dad’s back, and for treating the company as his own when he had always been warned that it wasn’t yet. He will give that seat to whichever son performs better, which is almost comical for the suggestion that a last-place high school junior could possibly outperform an experienced corporate exec. Whatevs, Dad, you never make any sense to me anyway.
Tan gets up to leave shortly after the parents do, and Won orders him to sit. Tan makes the jab that Won only wants something to do with him now that he has something he wants, and tells hyung to spend his energies running around to save his neck. Then he can deal with Tan, since Tan always figured last anyway.
Won calls Manager Yoon to ask if he’d been planning to backstab him all this while. Manager Yoon, to his surprise, urges him to beat his father and keep his position—and if he does, then he’ll take that VP seat. Aw, did Manager Yoon finally pick a side?
Myung-soo’s workshop is empty by the time Tan gets there, and when he calls Eun-sang it’s Young-do who answers. He asks where they are, and Young-do quips, “In your heart.”
They’re at a snack shop, where he guesses the situation with Tan’s father and advises Eun-sang to memorize his phone number, and also Tan’s, so she can call them for help if she needs to. That’s sweet, and a handy tip to boot.
He sends her home in his car and remains behind, sitting at his sad little table, which is where Tan finds him. You know, I can’t say I follow why these boys are suddenly over their previous violent hatred, but in this case I’ll have to gloss over the personality transplants (as the show did) because I much prefer them being glib and friendly.
Tan thanks Young-do for helping with his escape the other day, and Young-do does this hilarious fidgety thing. Then Tan orders him to leave with him, rather than staying behind alone.
Tan comes home to find Mom sitting on the floor drunk with an enraged Dad ordering her to her room. He actually sneers, “This is why I can’t let you out of the house,” which just tells you so much about him. Mom says in a hurt tone that she didn’t make a baby on her own, you know, and Tan yells at Dad not to berate his mother. He even dares to tell him to stop being such a coward, referring to the way Dad has hidden his messy personal life from the public with such dedication.
Dad bristles at being threatened by his son, but Tan warns him not to test his threat, because he’s finding that he’s capable of doing quite a lot—Dad had best not press his luck to see what he’s willing to do.
Won goes to Hyun-joo’s home and pleads with her to escape to America for three years, after which point he’ll come for her. Sigh, sometimes I think Won is his own obstacle in the romance department, because he seems to act in all the wrong ways with her. He clings to the belief that they can still be together once he figures out how, but she’s long accepted that they can’t be.
She softens once she realizes something new is happening to make him so distraught, and Won pleads with her to go because he doesn’t want her to see him hitting bottom. He begs her to not read stories about him either, and she promises that (though not to leaving for the States).
That night, Tan texts Eun-sang to meet him with passport in hand, then proceeds to take it from her, fearing that she’ll leave without letting him know. He pulls them into the storeroom again, entreating her not to go anywhere and then swooping in for a kiss. (A much better kiss than the last one, thankfully. And not just because this time it’s about feelings instead of one-upping a rival.)
The Rachel-Hyo-shin kiss makes them the source of gossip at school, and she asks him to avoid her when they find themselves in the same hallway, because she’s uncomfortable. He teases that she never cares about people gossiping about her, and she snaps that their gossip isn’t why she’s making the request. He wonders for one blank second until the realization hits, and then he awkwardly agrees to leave. Oh does she like him now? Okay.
Won gets busy meeting with stockholders in preparation for the upcoming vote, and makes a few important deals. Rachel’s mother declares herself on his side because that’s the side that opposes the chairman, while Young-do’s father agrees once he secures a hotel contract in the process. Madam Jung asks what’s in it for her, the answer to which we don’t hear.
Last is Tan, and Won states that the brothers will have to stand together against their father. Tan corrects hyung, saying that this should be a request rather than an order, but agrees to side with him anyway in exchange for a few necessities: an apartment and car, for instance, to keep his girlfriend out of Dad’s immediate reach.
Won is a little incredulous that Tan would do this huge thing of siding with him, all for “just some girl.” Tan states without hesitation that he’d do everything for that girl, and instructs his brother not to call her just some girl, “because now she’s my everything.”
Young-do loiters outside Tan’s house for a while, but gives up when it’s clear Eun-sang isn’t coming home. He drops by the convenience store next, where he finds her sitting alone and gives her his coat. Only now does he tell her of the first time he saw her here and how he’d stood up to those noisy little kids for her benefit, and it makes her comment, “It would have been nice if I knew sooner that you were both a bad guy and a good guy.”
He says that it’s not too late to make that realization, but his hopeful smile fades painfully when she declines and urges him to treat the next girl well instead. Don’t trip her to hold her hand, she advises, or blackmail her into eating noodles together.
She gets up to leave, and Young-do grabs her arm, suddenly serious. He asks her not to go, and although she says she’s got plans to meet Tan, he suspects that she’s going to let him go.
Won prepares the new apartment and car and reminds Tan multiple times not to miss the stockholders meeting today, and how he should vote. Tan notes that even now Won doesn’t trust him, not even sad anymore. Just resigned, maybe.
Won warns that Dad will be able to track down Eun-sang in a heartbeat even with the new address, which Tan knows. Still, that’s not his point: “I’m just showing him. That for the past eighteen years I’ve loved him and you greatly, that now the love is over, that the only thing I have left is her. So it doesn’t matter to me who I am, what the circumstances of my birth were, or how old I am. Because I’m going to use everything I have to protect her. It’s a warning to not dare lay a finger on her.”
Won hears this speech with something akin to disbelief and surprise, and maybe some realization. Are you learning, hyung?
Eun-sang window-shops as she waits for Tan, thinking back to her meeting with Dad and his accusations that she’s ruining Tan. Uh-oh. I don’t like the placement of this flashback, in this context. Please don’t do anything noble now.
Tan greets her with a back-hug, which Young-do watches with sadness from his stalker seat in a nearby car. Eun-sang’s the one who buys their matching pair of pink couple sneakers, and I’m going to go out on a limb and say that Tan wearing those is proof enough that he loves her. Also, I’m doubly nervous that she’s gifting him shoes, per the old Korean adage that one shouldn’t buy a lover shoes because they’ll use them to run away from you.
Tan takes Eun-sang to see her new apartment, apologizing for doing things one-sidedly and promising that he’ll improve. While I never expected Eun-sang to react with joy to such a move, her dismay is making me super uneasy. As is her ready agreement, as she tells him she can move tomorrow and urges him to make it to his meeting.
She sends him off first, and he says it feels like they’re a married couple. So she gives him a goodbye peck in response, which makes his day. She promises to wait for him at home, but the moment he closes the door she bursts into sobs. Agh. Stupid study abroad cliché, why are you back?
Won’s dismissal is put to a vote. Dad smiles through the proceedings, but the reason turns out to be the opposite of our expectation—it isn’t because he’s assured that Won will be fired. Not only does the vote get shot down, it gets shot down with a whopping ninety-five percent opposition. That means Dad must have also voted not to oust Won, despite bringing this whole thing up in the first place.
Won staggers out with shoulders drooping in defeat despite having won his seat, because he was basically outmaneuvered by a father who was teaching him a lesson. Tan asks what his father meant by putting on this show, and Dad replies, “I was giving him a fleeting moment’s humiliation—and you, too.” He finishes with the kicker: Eun-sang left Korea an hour ago.
At home, Madam Han reads Mom’s farewell letter in tears. Tan races home and finds Eun-sang’s room empty, then races around town looking for her. Instead he finds signs of her departure, from the cafe job she quit to the school locker that’s empty.
As he stands in his empty new apartment, he replays Dad’s words: “Never forget today. The price you pay for swinging that sword was losing that girl.”
COMMENTS
I’m glad the brothers stepped it up and set the ball rolling as they both took formal stances against their father, even if they ultimately were outwitted. Given the extreme parallels between Won and Tan’s romantic tribulations, it’s interesting to watch how each brother reacts differently—both are committed to the idea of being with their girlfriends despite the odds stacked against them, but their tactics diverge in meaningful ways. (This makes me wish even more that we’d gotten to this point earlier, not in the final stretch, because the first three-quarters of the show is stuff that’s played out according to every cliché in the K-drama playbook. Would’ve been much nicer if we had some time to play out the comparison.)
I can concede that Won’s tactic has a few things going for it; by keeping his connection to Hyun-joo on the downlow, and in trying to send her away to come back for her later, he gets to at least keep seeing her. The downside is that nothing about their relationship has been satisfying (for them, I mean) in the many years it’s been going on, because it’s not a full-fledged relationship in any sense—it’s being strung along without a lot of payoff, without a clear sense of future happiness or even present bliss. But it’s what he has chosen in order to keep even that small connection alive.
Tan has the same inclinations at first, and there was a real chance he would follow Won’s sad footsteps. But when push comes to shove he’s gone the other way, pushing back against his father and fighting in the here and now. He knows that tucking Eun-sang away isn’t going to be a viable strategy for the long term, but he’s not hiding her away as the end goal—it’s symbolic more than anything.
The problem is that Dad is just crazy at this point, taking up the role of blanket villain. I get that the stockholders’ vote was supposed to be a demonstration of his craftiness, but mostly I’m just confused. What was even the point of that show, if the end result was the same? We knew at the end of last episode that Eun-sang took the deal and played noble idiot to go away, and in this episode, she took the deal and played noble idiot to get away. Dad gloats that Tan lost the girl because he wielded his sword… but to be honest, he lost her to Dad’s machinations before he even picked up the sword (i.e., joined in the stock/voting game), so isn’t that a moot point? The drama played the revelation of her departure for a moment of shock, only, were any of us shocked?
It’s just such a bummer when your hero and everyone he loves is basically impotent, and there’s no fun watching Dad lord it over everyone all the time. I can see the chairman’s point (however dickish) about pulling the vote stunt to humiliate both his sons, because it warns them not to even think of beating Dad, because he’ll always win. It’s what abusers do to keep their victim-partners in line, so scared that they don’t dare mutiny in the future. He’s a tyrant at home and at business, so it fits his profile. It’s just that I feel like we got shafted of a real conflict—of the brothers banding together and fighting smart—and the buildup and tension were sapped away in one instant, like soap bubbles popping in the air. I feel deflated, just like Won.
One of my long-held beliefs/pet peeves about dramas is that if the vast majority of everybody’s angst can be solved by one person changing his/her mind, then you have a bad conflict. The entire premise starts to crumble because not only do you have some egomaniacal patriarch pulling puppet strings and making everyone cry, this also means that we aren’t going to get a satisfactory resolution either—because all he has to do is change his mind. Wah wah. How deflating. How weak.
Well, I guess he could die. I wouldn’t cry about that.
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51 angskeet
November 28, 2013 at 10:02 PM
Loved the last scene when Tan desperately searched for Eun Sang!
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52 mountainlion
November 28, 2013 at 10:08 PM
@newbie: the first preview is 'You from another star' starring Kim Soohyun and Jeon Ji Hyun, idk about the second one.
Come on guys, that kiss is better than everything PSH has done so give her some credit. It was awkward at first but it got better, and as for that face of constipation you guys are talking about I'm pretty sure she is hurting inside about the upcoming separation and not that she is actually hurting from the kiss.
&All of you that are saying that you are only watching it b/c you started and that you actually think this show is rubbish blah blah blah seriously just drop the show-no one is forcing you to watch it.
I think a time skip would be interesting-it would prove to Tan's family and friends, and also the audience that their feelings are not just the product of over-reactive teenage hormones
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windsun33
November 28, 2013 at 11:14 PM
BTW, don't you have a "reply" option on posts that you want to reply to, instead of using the @ name? It should be at the bottom of each post in orange, unless it is the 4th or 5th reply to/reply to etc. If you reply it keeps it in the same thread.
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Z
November 29, 2013 at 8:36 AM
I don't have the reply option if I'm commenting from my phone so that may be the case for this poster as well.
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windsun33
November 29, 2013 at 10:37 AM
Hmm interesting, did not know that, I never use the phone - just laptop or desktop or Kindle.
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queencircles
November 29, 2013 at 9:07 AM
The mobile site does not have a reply option.
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53 Sweet Chocolate
November 28, 2013 at 10:19 PM
PERFECT!! This episode is perfect!!!
Kudos 2 Lee Min-Ho's brilliant,heartbreaking & impressive crying in the last scene!!
I LOVE how greatly sweet Honey Kim Eun Sook :) has created the character of Tan!!! Kudos!!!
This isn't a drama which those with low thinking can gasp the message & meaning of!
The ending is uncertain & unpredictable (since the scriptwriter is Kim Eun sook)
4 episodes left!! I am wondering how everything will be falling into places!! Nothing crosses my mind!! No guessing! :( I am dying 2 watch episode 17!!
U may all say that the ending is predictable & it will sure be happy ending!!
BUT BUT everything is really being shown 2 us very trickily! In a way that makes you think and wanna the hero & heroine be together!
I don't know why but the few last episodes gave me the impression that the ending may something beyond imagination!!
It is almost impossible for Tan & Eun Sang 2 be together!!
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54 CrazyRedHairMireu
November 28, 2013 at 10:22 PM
I think the problem with heirs is it's not funny enough to make up for all its cliche flaws. Like kim eun sooks other drama i could enjoyed like AGD or SG because i felt for the characters and even when it got cliche like amnesia or first love shows up i could let it go because AGD had the f44 and SG had ha ji won and hyunbin. Theres just something special missing here. And yeah i so agree that i would have fell in love with YD if he werent a total jerk for 14 eps. So many wasted actors and actresses in this show. Im awaiting you from another star. Plz KSH dont fail me.
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55 Sweet Chocolate
November 28, 2013 at 10:25 PM
I VERY VERY VERY MUCH LOVED THE kissing scene!!! Fantastic!!
Something interesting!!
Lee Min-Ho kisses her DAMN AWESOMELY that it covers the uneasiness of Park Shin Hye!!
Even the scene is directed in a way that the flaw in PSH's kissing doesn't capture your eye!!
No matter what,U will enjoy this scene!!
KUDOS 2 LMH fo kissing passionately & doing his best!!
I HOPE,WISH,PRAY that PSH will brush up on her acting related 2 kiss scenes!!!
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56 ak
November 28, 2013 at 10:28 PM
This is totally random because I grew tired of picking the narrative apart and analyzing the various cliches of Heirs...
Where can I get me one of Tan's baby blue sweater? :D
His matching blue jacket would be nice, too.
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windsun33
November 28, 2013 at 11:17 PM
My Korean sucks, but when I looked at the Korean site for this drama, there were some ads for sweaters and other clothes. I suspect that the sweaters are product placement, but not sure if you can order them outside of Korea.
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windsun33
November 28, 2013 at 11:19 PM
This site has some Heirs items http://gpromotion.gmarket.co.kr/Plan/PlanView?ctnakey=10111942&sid=123708&jaehuid=200003633&gclid=CKn_2aq6ibsCFeNxQgodzjYAEQ
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windsun33
November 28, 2013 at 11:20 PM
And yes, it looks like they have the sweaters, and a bunch of other stuff also.
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ak
November 29, 2013 at 12:11 AM
Thanks :) Will check out!
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windsun33
November 29, 2013 at 12:37 AM
I have bought DVD's and similar small items from them before, shipping on larger items might be a bit expensive, but they seem to be reliable.
windsun33
November 29, 2013 at 12:54 AM
I got curious so did some looking around, and found sites (a few of them in the US) that sell a wide range of k-drama and k-pop trinkets, such as Master's Sun necklaces, My Girlfriend is a Gumiho dolls, and that tear shaped necklace from .. 49 days??. Might take a little searching, but K stuff seems to be popular.
57 Chloe
November 28, 2013 at 10:32 PM
Can I just say I couldn't agree with soozilla more?? Hahaha seriously sad to say, I expected much more from this show. The stereotypes are back, though upped a hundred times on the severity meter, and the angst is so repetitive and ...sometimes meaningless?? I mean it takes the viewers' interest out of it after a while. And the individual characters!! So shallow...so stubborn....so unrealistic. People just don't act like that! Sigh. But this is a KDrama after all. :/ I hope the remaining few episode will up the excitement and spice up the drama~
Thanks though javabeans for this recap! ^^ Really enjoy reading your comical and sarcastic comments hahahahaah
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windsun33
November 28, 2013 at 10:46 PM
I will say one thing - Golden Rainbow is even worse on the cliché meter.
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58 Chloe
November 28, 2013 at 10:34 PM
Hahaha Sweet Chocolate, okay yes I agree with you - I did think LMH cried pretty convincingly :)
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59 sundei
November 28, 2013 at 10:39 PM
i don't think Eun Sang left Korea. I think she ran away with her mother without KT's dad even knowing. When KT's dad said that Eun Sang left an hour ago, he probably thought Eun Sang was on a plane to Buenos Aires as planned. But KT had torn the ticket and took her passport so how is that possible? I am guessing it seemed as if Eun Sang did take the flight to Buenos Aires but she actually didn't. Instead, she should be somewhere within Korea, hiding from the world of KT. At least...for the while.
Just my guess. :)
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windsun33
November 28, 2013 at 11:42 PM
I don't think they left either, the question is where are they hiding that Evil Daddy won't find them right away?
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sundei
November 29, 2013 at 9:24 AM
someone would have helped. either won or yoon. whoever or however, she would have managed to do that. Daddy will soon find out of course. haha.
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windsun33
November 29, 2013 at 10:39 AM
Or if you really want to get far out, perhaps Bo Na?
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sundei
November 29, 2013 at 11:06 AM
ahahaha yes that is pretty far out but anything is possible. i am guessing Won. He knew KT was going to do everything to protect ES. He might have also known Daddy's evil plan, Yoon would have told him. Keeping ES would be his pawn against Daddy --- cause they seem to like hurting each other. Also, it would be his way of being good to his brother. But for the while, he won't tell anyone where ES is. He can't. He needs ES to be sure he can trust KT is not going to take his position and to show his Daddy he can be outsmarted after all. Won for the win. Lol.
yenlinh tran
November 29, 2013 at 3:48 PM
Now a day, you don't need an actual ticket to get on a plane, it can be paperless. As long as a ticket is reserved for her at the counter, she is good to go. As for the passport, it can be done in three days or less. The chairman wield enough power to probably call in for a favor for a passport to be issued right away. It would be too obvious to send her to Argentina now. If he is vindictive, she could be in Africa for all we know.
I think Kim Tan will have to hire a bunch of detectives to track Eun Sang's where about if he can not get the information out of his dad. He can start with the apartment building which would have CCTV cameras to see who came and got her. He would have to do the same with the house's CCTV to see her mom's movement to the airport or not. He would have to track their movements (car services) at the airport ticket counters. He would have to get access to passenger's manifestations on all of the airline for that day and etc....
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60 panshel
November 28, 2013 at 10:40 PM
I absolutely hate both brothers’ cavemen mentality in their relationships. Walk when I tell you to walk; stay when I tell you to stay. And this is why I hate this writer (and probably this drama).
Revenge in the form of product placement, eh? The new and improved Choi Young Do is how I imagine Kim Woo Bin and Park Shin Hye’s real-life friendship to be like. Tan passing Eun Sang off to Young Do is just cruel because he knows full well how much Young Do likes her. In the convenience store scene, all I could think was, “Please give Woo Bin back his jacket. Poor thing must be freezing.” Eek, I saw Lee Jong Suk.
Forget calling Chan Young; Tan should have called Young Do about Eun Sang’s whereabouts. Young Do pretty much stalks that girl. Was Rachel in a study group all by herself?
Thanks for the recap, javabeans!
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windsun33
November 28, 2013 at 10:47 PM
And the sad thing is that the write is a woman.
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Lin_K
November 29, 2013 at 1:15 AM
I don't think YD has ever stalked her except for that one scene in this episode. He probably did that because 1) he knows she is going away or 2) Tan asked him to keep an eye on her. It may be cruel of Tan to ask YD to take care of her. But then again, Tan said there is no one else better to look after her - meaning he trusts YD more than any other person? I am glad to see that YD is not bitter anymore. He was really happy last episode; this episode too except for the last two scenes where he looked crushed. He is probably also very happy that he and Tan are becoming friends again. I love YD. I am hoping for him to meet a girl and for his mom to come back. I don't want to see him sad! YD fighting!!
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mooses
November 29, 2013 at 3:15 AM
I didn't even realize that part about Rachel lol. The poor girl seriously has no friends..
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61 hyun joo
November 28, 2013 at 10:50 PM
PSH definitely needs to practice kissing scenes. OMG, I was uncomfortable for her. LMH on the other hand does not need any kissing lessons. I tried not to look at her and just focused on him. Yum!! I bet eun sang is still in Korea and the Devil Daddy is just bluffing. Speaking of time warps, Can we time warp to next Wednesday already??
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Merry Christmas!
November 29, 2013 at 11:43 PM
https://www.asianfanfics.com/blog/view/734210
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62 BBD-Lite
November 28, 2013 at 10:54 PM
I liked this episode! Some thoughts:
- Didn't even think about a time warp until I read the comments here. Should be more interesting if it does happen as the characters would have moved forward in three years time...
- Am I the only one who thought "Argentina Woo Hoo!"? Hehehe
- Weirdly I have faith that the writer is going to meet our expectations. Like I have a feeling that the brothers will combine forces to fight daddy, that Secretary Yoon will get together with Esther, that Young Do and Kim Tan will be besties again etc..all the stuff we viewers want basically
- Lee Min Ho did a good job on that closet kiss, and PSH improved too except for her furrowed brows -.-
- Gaah Kim Tan read the signs!! The only time CES smiles that happily is when she's hiding her pain!
- Did Cha eun sang have a fake passport lying around that she handed to Kim Tan? How did she leave Korea otherwise?? On that note Kim Tan has descended into new levels of controllingness in this ep UGH
- I have a feeling Young Do has not completely changed his spots and will do something terrible in the next few eps. I hope we get to know more about his mom's story though like why she ran off in a hurry, where she is now etc.
- Overall though I am happy that the show is picking up pace. Wonder how it will end...
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windsun33
November 29, 2013 at 12:39 AM
I am not so sure the brothers will get together, they seem further apart now than they ever have been. As for the passport, I don't think she left Korea, but we will see.
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Z
November 29, 2013 at 8:41 AM
I thought about the fake passport thing too. Why else would she bring him her passport knowing full well that he would confiscate it. I also thought that the ticket might have been a fake, too. Who carries around a plane ticket for two weeks and keeps it in their assigned reading book?
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sundei
November 29, 2013 at 11:15 AM
KT said he would search their room if she didn't come out with her passport. When KT says something like that, she knew he would do it. I don't think it was a fake one. As for the tickets, she probably just tucked it in her book so her mother wouldn't see it. Her mother didn't know anything. I don't think that was a fake either. But can't you print an e-ticket anyway?? The passport thing would be hard to fake though. Well...just guessing again...but she is in Korea!!! lol. She is in a far flung island with her mom starting life over. Or at least trying to.
I am not so worried. I know it's a happy ending haha. I am positive. Knowing KT...he won't stop until he finds her. And then there is YD who won't back off either. So many knights will be looking for her...and not just any other knights...powerful knights with connections. So she will not be missing forever. She can run...but she can't hide.
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Z
November 29, 2013 at 2:36 PM
I think her mom already knew. She told her after the Chairman paid off all their debts.
Even if Tan threatened to barge into my room, I still would have at least tried to resist rather than just walk out and hand it over, especially if I was planning on leaving the whole time. I totally didn't get her thought process in that scene. I also don't get her thought process in falling for a man who threatens to break into her room (really her mom's room, how disrespectful can you get?) and steal her personal effects.
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fantasma
November 29, 2013 at 3:18 PM
Preach!
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November 29, 2013 at 8:12 PM
yeah but we are not ES...nor do we have a KT lol.
I don't try to get her. I just watch her every move and understand she is doing it because she is 18 and I am not, thank God and she is under a whole lot of pressure and again, I am not, thank God.
I think it's easy for the viewers to assume what could have or what should have because we know what happens around each corner. It is also given that KT is a bit disrespectful but even if he barged in and searched for it himself --- that night or the day after --- the househelp wouldn't be able to do much. I think from the first few episodes KT has been consistent on that he gets what he wants if he really pushes it...even in Cali he was the same.
But here's the thing...the female lead character fell for all the shades of the male lead character. And that's why we have this show. If things were perfect...it would be boring. What makes a show good is when you finish watching an episode and you discuss it. personally, i think the writer and director are getting what they intend to get. kudos to that.
63 Valerie Gudorf
November 28, 2013 at 11:17 PM
Four episodes is a lot of time for things to happen. Really. As far as time skips are concerned, even though this is a common trope in Kdramas, and KES in particular, consider that there was no time skip in SG until the very last episode, so I don't really expect there to be one here either until at least episode 19. ES hasn't left Korea. With 4 episodes left, how can they move the ES/KT story line forward with her in Argentina and him in Korea?
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64 bela_lavy
November 28, 2013 at 11:21 PM
I should say all people who judging and critic all their kiss as Pervert. you don't included in the story. only concentrate with how is the kiss without knew the condition. why she must make such happy face when she is in threatening position and will be separate with him..
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ak
November 29, 2013 at 12:04 AM
I watch dramas for their kiss scenes.
Pervert. And proud of it. :D
If I were to give comment considering the story... This kiss was initiated after Tan's as-per-usual bossy orders. (Desperate situations do not give him excuses to be demanding.) I'd say it's not entirely Eun Sang's fault that she looks frightened/pained/unwilling. Still, not my favorite kiss scene. Even their almost-kiss scene was better.
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windsun33
November 29, 2013 at 12:57 AM
I don't really care for most of the kissing scenes, they just don't seem well done. I am into other types of pervy stuff, like when UI had her tongue hanging out in Pretty Dude :D
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65 chole
November 28, 2013 at 11:25 PM
I just wonder how difficult it is to kiss Lee Min Ho???
Girl, you'd better enjoy it because you're a really lucky few!
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Farah
November 29, 2013 at 1:39 AM
Chloe, you said it alright! My exact sentiments! I just wonder if PSH's perpetual shocked and uncomfortable looks during kissing scenes are intended and directed by the Director. If it is then I would have to say that the directorial decisions have failed & only succeeded in making the characters one dimensional. *sigh*
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Jaglaine
November 29, 2013 at 9:22 PM
If it is because of the director, then that means all the directors in PSH's previous dramas were lousy at directing kissing scenes.
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sundei
November 29, 2013 at 1:40 PM
exactly! haha.
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Merry Christmas!
November 29, 2013 at 11:45 PM
look closely
https://www.asianfanfics.com/blog/view/734210
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66 JOHN DOE
November 28, 2013 at 11:41 PM
I dont get why Kim Won's Dad pulled that stunt at the shareholders meeting.. Why should Kim Won feel embarrassed? I DONT UNDERSTANDDDDD
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windsun33
November 28, 2013 at 11:45 PM
I don't understand it either, or what the purpose was. Supposedly to humiliate them both, but I am not sure how that was any kind of humiliation.
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Bushra87
November 29, 2013 at 12:30 AM
I think because he ended up making certain deals with people he would not have made otherwise.
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windsun33
November 29, 2013 at 12:41 AM
That is possible, or what he may have really been doing is seeing who was for and against him. I wonder who the 3% was?
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queencircles
November 29, 2013 at 9:27 AM
I don't understand either. 97 PERCENT of the company supports you being president. How EMBARRASSING for you Won...
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sundei
November 29, 2013 at 9:35 AM
i guess Daddy was teasing them --- or playing with the feelings. It did affect Won when he learned about it. He contacted people and tried a deal with them. The fact was, Daddy didn't lift a finger making deals with those people. He just wanted Won to go nuts over it...to show him it can happen and that Daddy can make it happen. But as to the real thing, he hasn't done anything yet.
Won would be embarrassed because he made deals and it didn't even seem to be a difficult battle. Obviously, everyone thought there was no sense in him being fired. Obviously, everyone also knew it was ridiculous to have that meeting to begin with. And they all also probably knew Daddy was into something only he knew.
Daddy is a power tripper. He plays with his son's emotions because for him it's all business. Every time he does it, the kids also develop anger which probably Daddy wants. Anger drives them to be mad at each other...to fight for their pride and roles and money even when initially they don't intend to. Daddy said at the end to KT to remember that day....he just lost the kid in him...or something like that. That's how cruel Daddy is. Maybe years of experience also taught him that in their world, nothing is more important than money and power. And he isn't afraid to show the youth of how power can move mountains if it has to. He is fixed on keeping that power for as long as he can.
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August
November 30, 2013 at 12:46 PM
Kim Tan's father (Kim Nam-Yoon) speaking to Cha Eun-Sang:
"It was my mistake to think that you'd understand. I forgot that you poor kids don't have shame. How could the love of 18-year-olds be so reckless and shameless? Thanks to you, Tan lost Rachel, his family, and became ridiculed by the world. How much more are you going to ruin him?"
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anniejang
November 30, 2013 at 2:52 AM
That whole stockholders meeting was to show both boys who's boss. Dad gave big shares to Won and he acted like he owned the company. He gave equal shares to Tan, and the first thing Tan did with his new power was defy both parents-he ignored Dad's order to put down the phone and made his step mother pick him up and take him to school. Tan also told his dad off in defending his mom. It was made clear to Won that even tho he thought he had lined up his voters, it was Dad who did that because they were all old friends of Dads. That's what embarrassed Won. Tan saw how powerful Dad was in the stockholders meeting, and Dad used the opportunity to tell Tan he lost Eun Sang (aka That Kid) because he lorded his power over his parents. It was a lie, because she was already set up to go before, but Dad said it anyway.
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anniejang
November 30, 2013 at 5:58 AM
Dad's power trip to the boys was to toughen them up in preparation to fending off their relatives. The relatives are going to come swooping in to take the company from the two wet-behind-the-ears boys, and at this point, they can do it easily. Partly because the boys are young and inexperienced at corporate fighting, and partly because they are both focused on love instead of business. Won was trying to take care of both things, but he was trying to figure it all out on his own. Dad is showing them they can't have the women they want without power, so they have to toughen up, learn how to maneuver in the corporate world, and when they do, they will have enough power to just take the women they want. Dad did-but he married for money the second time.
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67 saranghaelmh
November 29, 2013 at 12:10 AM
True this drama is a waste of talent. I mean LMH and the newly found KWB. I got into kdramas after LMH in BOF. Cause I was amazed at how his acting just dimmed the ridiculous story. It's the same thing here. It's entertaining because of the characters and the humour in between and the solid acting that's bringing alive the characters we wouldn't have otherwise watched had it been any one else in these roles.. The drama..not so much.. Still it's entertaining to watch after a long day.
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68 Bushra87
November 29, 2013 at 12:27 AM
umm.. how did she leave the country when her passport was confiscated by kim tan? Do u not have a good hiding place kim tan? Or did u drop it while kissing her? hehe
And yup.. that kiss was hot.. PSH is definitely improving.
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69 fantasma
November 29, 2013 at 12:50 AM
Well, I know that ES and KT are going through a bad moment and all, but, really, I don't care.
I failed to make an emotional link with this couple from The beggining so I fail to care about their plights too. Sorry.
How I wish ES would have said: Tan, I'm leaving for me. We barely know each other and our relationship is too time and emotion consuming for two People who are still Young and can't support themselves. I'm going to grab this chance and make something out of myself and when/if we meet again, if we still feel like it, we can try again. While I'm gone, please make something of yourself too, if you really want to scape your father clutches.
But no, she Just did what every character before her already did. Ok.
I guess I'm too long past 18 to understand their crazy feelings. And I'm 24.
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windsun33
November 29, 2013 at 1:06 AM
When was the last time you heard any k-drama character say the logical thing? :D.
One drama I would really like to see is to take a recent popular one and show how it turned out, say 15 years later. All we see is the happy endings with the prince and his Candy riding off into the sunset in a Mercedes.
So why not make one that show what REALLY happens after a few years - like the prince became a gambling addict and lost the company, the Candy had to go work in a hostess bar, and the pet dog ends up in the local pound?
Or in this one, ES and her mom end up in Argentina, and become cat burglars and get filthy rich, and then come back and totally destroy Grinch Daddy's empire?
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Sandy
November 29, 2013 at 7:19 AM
OMG, that would have been amazing if she had said that. That would have been a great character for PSH. Because in real life, PSH strikes me as a very strong, independent, and determined woman. I wish her character were more like her real life personality.
Here, the characters are too young to have any real decision making power here. They can't support themselves. They don't even have their high school diplomas yet. They have absolutely no power, and KT keeps yelling about how he's going to protect ES, yet he's practically homeless without even a GED himself. However, KT refuses to study hard to try to make something of himself.
It's not like Secret Garden where Kim Joo Won was very well educated and smart businessman on his own merits, and thus he could legitimately take actions to protect Gil Ra Im. Here, KT has no power to do anything except he has some shares that his dad gave him. Um...okay.
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fantasma
November 29, 2013 at 2:13 PM
Exactly my point, they don't sound like thinking People Who want to Be free to do what they want, KT especially sounds Just like a stupid teenager Who does not know what's Best for himself and is rebelling Just because (I know it's not, it's because "true Love" *sigh).
Well, I Just wanted to Be able to root for The main couple. But I'm not sure if they are a couple, really. One is a ragdoll, The other a puppet Master, puling The strings and she Just let's him. They don't even KNOW each other, why do they think that this three months love is worth all this angst and misery?
I've been in Love, and I was sixteen, but when I had to make my choice, it was ME all The way. The ES we saw at The beggining, Who was selfish enough to leave her MOM to go to The States should be able to make The choice for her, not for Tan. But I guess she would feel better being The "noble idiot" (keyword is idiot) than being The one Who Just left for her sake.
I guess we can say that Tan finally awoke to try and take control of His Life, but The same Way People complain when a female character is all about The men around her, KT's character is all about ES, and this gets annoying. Change for yourself too! Or when you lose her you're going to go Back to being a vegetable or reverse to being The Joker (really, I bet He wasn't half as awesome as The Joker)?
The same can Be Said about YD, a girl gave you a bandaid and you become butter? And what about MS's friendship, or the bullied student's courage? Nothing of this touched you? Where were The cracks in The armour from The beggining? Aargh! That's why it looks like a personality transplant.
Sorry for The rant, I don't even know if it makes sense.
Why I'm still here? I don't know it myself, but I think it's because I need to know where The Writer is going to get. Maybe it Will be awesome and I'll have to take Back my words, or maybe it'll be Just what I'm thinking. I Just have to see it through.
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windsun33
November 29, 2013 at 10:12 PM
I think a lot of people have forgotten about that episode where she just left her mom to fend for herself. When she left she had no intention of coming back - her intent was to live with her sister, but that blew up when she found out the sister was a liar and scammer. That was about as selfish as you can get, yet now a few episodes later she is mom's best friend. Hmm...
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sundei
November 29, 2013 at 1:43 PM
yeah...and if she said that KT would just say...okay, let's do that. Uh...no. haha. she had tried that before when he followed her to the movie theater. she told him they should study first...they should go for their dreams first. what did he do? he didn't listen. why rub it in again? the boy won't listen. he has to be a man first to understand that and i think in episode 17 he will transform overnight.
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August
November 29, 2013 at 5:50 PM
Great idea for an alternate way of the "separation" occurring and playing out. Just imagine if only Cha Eun-Sang and Kim Tan had that discussion with each other. :)
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70 Nigerian girl.
November 29, 2013 at 1:14 AM
Hello everyone. And u GF, why aren't writing the recaps for Pretty man, i really wish u would. We dnt get to see it here in Nigeria, so I'm rily looking forward to you recap, hmm? Kamsahmnida.
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Tulipsaki
November 29, 2013 at 5:14 AM
It was the Thanksgiving holiday here, so she probabaly didn't have time.
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71 Nigerian girl.
November 29, 2013 at 1:17 AM
Hello everyone. And a big thanks to you GF, for all your wondaful recaps. Why aren't writing the recaps for Pretty man, i really wish u would. We dnt get to see it here in Nigeria, so I'm rily looking forward to you recap, hmm? Kamsahmnida.
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Laden
November 29, 2013 at 12:53 PM
Annyeonghasaeyo nigerian girl,its really nice to meet you.I thot I was the only nigerian on here,its nice to knw I'm nOt alone.LOL!!!
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72 Nora
November 29, 2013 at 1:22 AM
Am I the only one wishing for a time skip next episode?
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73 Faye
November 29, 2013 at 1:23 AM
I call her noble because she is convinced the boy she loves will come to harm if she stays with him any longer, and she is giving him up even though she loves him, and it hurts her.
Of course we the adult viewers know that it's not as cut and dried as she thinks it is. But look at it from her perspective. She is a scared teen watching a very cagey man (the Chairman) flex his power. He keeps telling her that she is causing Tan harm. And to be fair, since he met her, look at the things that happened to him -his secret illegitimacy was outed; he was ostracized at school; he was imprisoned in his own home.
Again, we the viewers know the unpleasantness in the short term may actually be better in the long run. But from her perspective, a lot of bad things happened to him because of their relationship. So I find her perspective understandable, and noble if she feels she has no other way to help him.
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windsun33
November 29, 2013 at 2:02 AM
From that perspective, I guess I can cut her some slack. It is easy to forget also that she does not know what we (the viewers) know. And we pretty much know that whether she goes or stays, Tan is probably going to be abused by Grinch Daddy. So I don't think her leaving will really help him one bit, and may in fact hurt him if he chooses to just give up.
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sundei
November 29, 2013 at 1:49 PM
right. but that is why i think she did a smart choice. i don't think her character is only thinking about what is going to happen to KT. it is not all about KT. what about her? their worlds are not gonna be any better any which way anyway. then follow the easier one for now and that is protect yourself first. she was right from the beginning, if KT can't protect himself, no one else can. That goes the same with her. That "i'll-fight-for-you" logic is what Romeo and Juliet used and we all know what happened. It takes a smart person to use her head and senses and to be able to say no even when the heart says yes. so i am all for her decision. if she were my daughter i would be proud of her. jeez, girl, you are only 18, there are more men out there, trust me. :P
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youngwoman
December 2, 2013 at 4:24 AM
If she's that smart (and not noble idiot), then she should just choose option 1...break up with Tan and grab the opportunity to go anywhere she wants,build a better future and maybe go back to Korea as successful independent woman
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74 Ri Ri
November 29, 2013 at 1:39 AM
And this, my friends, is where I officially bid adieu to Heirs. A little disappointed at this drama, really; I thought it would be much more interesting due to the amazing cast. However, I unfortunately found no sizzle in the main couple. In my opinion, I found Young Do to be the most fitting partner for Eun Sang. I found their snarky comments towards each other quite funny and cute, and I believe Young Do was more up to Eun Sang's "speed." All in all, majority of the cast are whiners and spoiled brats. But, the side couples were adorable and charming.
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75 Isa
November 29, 2013 at 1:41 AM
Waaaah, does anybody know where I can get this fluffy blue pullover LMH is wearing? xD
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windsun33
November 29, 2013 at 2:04 AM
See post 56.
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76 Momopeach
November 29, 2013 at 1:53 AM
I bet you young do will end up with myungsoo in the end of all this.
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77 QueenB
November 29, 2013 at 2:29 AM
Totally off topic, but I knew R would end up with HS all along lol. There have been a few hints from the start, if you're bored enough by the main plot to pay attention to these two... It's a pretty good match: Both have trust issues with their parents, and both suffer the pain of unrequited love. He sees right through the guard she puts up, and he seems to be the only guy (besides Won) that she has some level of respect for. :)
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78 RaineeDays
November 29, 2013 at 3:33 AM
I bet Kim Woo Bin would've done a better job/given a better, more realistic reaction kissing Lee Min Ho.
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Jenn
November 29, 2013 at 5:11 AM
I would like to see that... ;)
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79 sayit
November 29, 2013 at 4:10 AM
Am I the only one who totally loathe the closet kiss scene?
And it has nothing to do with Lee Min Ho and this time, I can't even fault Park Shin Hye. When I saw the screen cap, I thought she was making that awful cringing expression again for the umpteenth time. And this when they are supposed to be in love. But when I watched it, I have to agree with her reaction. Why is Kim Tan so violent as to grab her chin and force that kiss? Is this even remotely romantic? I have seen my fair share of forced kisses in kdramas and I think they are terrible. This one somehow tops them all. KES is really disappointing. How can a female writer come up with such trash?
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Barbara Starks
November 29, 2013 at 5:22 AM
Girl that all she ever does, I can't take her in any kiss scene, He was so relax and she act like he had a mouth full of garlic! Oh Yeah, it can never be Lee Min Ho the kid knows how to do a kiss scene, he must be upset that he keep getting pair with actress that just don't know what getting into character means, they think being themselves/Park Shin Hye is more important then acting as the character would act. It was painful to watch her butcher another kiss scene she is one of the few actress that have played opposite of actor that knows how to do a kiss scene but the only thing you get from Park Shin Hye is nothing, empty!
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80 Barbara Starks
November 29, 2013 at 5:05 AM
The kiss was the best she ever did and that saying a lot because she on the top 2 for the worst actress that look like they being rape doing a kiss scene. If you watched any of M-min-Ho drama you know he on the top 3 actor that knows how to do a kiss scene, I would have love to see him in Suzy in a drama because as girl idol goes, she don't hold any punches when she acting she acting playing that character. She not Suzy from Miss A but the character and she plays it on ever level she someone to watch in the future....
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81 Waiting
November 29, 2013 at 5:07 AM
Possibble twists...
ES did not leave the country and said that to be a jerk...
...maybe Won hid her finally acting like a good older brother?
...maybe YD hid her?
...if we are going Kdrama cliche she is on Jeju-do!
I liked this episode for a few reasons but one thank you I have to say out loud is...Thank you for NOT playing THAT song (at least not the vocals). There was enough actual story so we didn't need THAT song played at every moment to force us to feel a certain way.
Kudos to LMH for the last scene. Nicely done.
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sundei
November 29, 2013 at 9:42 AM
i actually am guessing Won hid her. He would be the other powerful one who is capable of that. And it would be the best weapon against Daddy.
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anniejang
November 30, 2013 at 3:21 AM
The one who would hide her is Yoon. but if there's a time jump-she went overseas where Dad wanted, and Joon arranged it, per Dad.
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82 queen piogi
November 29, 2013 at 5:17 AM
I agree with all what you guys said........ Becuse PSH is always like that you will never see her show romance during any of her kissing scene in all the dramas she has acted so far. It just too sad
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83 Joyy
November 29, 2013 at 5:24 AM
Does anyone know the instrumental song that plays (around 33:26) when Kim Won hugs Hyun Joo in ep 16? I love the song so so much but I can't seem to find it since it is not part of the OSTs. Much appreciated if someone could tell me the title of the song :)
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84 potatoluvah
November 29, 2013 at 5:50 AM
I came across this post from Soompi. I would like to quote it here because interestingly this post exactly sums up thoughts since the beginning. Username "prosperity" wrote:
Let me just say that I love that KES made it to where the nice guy got the girl. Yes, YD was very charismatic, witty, and had good chemistry with PSH, however, he was also a jerk and an a hole, who was only concerned about what he wanted, and revenge. In K Dramas we always had leads who were A-holes, who treated the female less than the second lead did. We are so used to the second lead being the one to be nice to the girl from the beginning, only for him to lose the girl in the end to the egotistical first lead.
What KES did was give us a male lead who was basically a second lead on paper, and she knew she had to get someone like LMH to play him, because she knew she wrote the second lead more interestingly. KWB came out strong, as the well dressed, charismatic second lead, cloaked in first lead clothing. He was immaculately dressed, uniquely nice to look at and interesting. She put him up against LMH, who was dressed in some awful clothing, and she played down his looks imo, made him introspective, passive and basically a wimp for those he loved. She knew if she used any other actor, YD would have no competition, and she knew if she had wrote KT in a dynamic way and had styled KT on par with YD that there would be no competition as well. This is the genius of KES, as she knew things had to be well balanced. She knew she HAD to hire a charismatic actor for people to love YD, and SHE KNEW she had to hire someone like LMH for KT, otherwise nooone would give this basically second lead character posing as first lead material a chance. Hats off to her, because this proves that she knows what she is doing, and is great at hiring the right actors for the right roles."
[Current Drama 2013] ♔ The Heirs/Inheritors ♔ 왕관을 쓰려는자, 그무게를 견뎌라-상속자들 ♕ ep16 Dae to the bak!!!♕
Isn't this show being extended? 'Cause after 16 episodes, it's only now that I'm feeling the climax of the story so I still really can't shake off a reversal happening. I think it's like what I felt after reading Harry Potter & the Half Blood Prince, the feeling that some sick twist was going on and that everything wasn't what they really were.
The "fight for love" doesn't really convince and impress me as much as I would allow myself because the characters are all too young. KT is just too emotional; passionate, some may call it, but I think it's just reckless. He talks a big game but he hasn't really done anything. Can he survive without his dad's money? How would he be able to support ES and her mom? What about his own mom? This is why I believe a time jump is absolutely necessary for closure.
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potatoluvah
November 29, 2013 at 5:54 AM
I also find all of ES/YD scenes have much more substance, more depth than ES/KT scenes. Theirs seemed well thought of as opposed to KT/ES' full of cute/romance/emotional stuff just to show they're really meant to be.
In the scene where YD waited for ES to warn her that Rachel already knew where she worked, ES quoted YD's words about her having a lot of knights. Considering the scary situation when he first told her that, I'm surprised she recalled that one. I maybe reading too much into it, but she does remember everything he says.
In the scene where ES shared a bike ride with YD, when they did a closeup of her hands gripping on YD's jacket, it looked like she didn't want to let go just yet. YD noticed and just said something about her getting frostbite just to ease the awkwardness.
I'm not sure if anyone here will side with me, but I find it is not impossible that all the ES/KT "you and me against the world" drama is partly a distraction.
And that ES/YD having noodles together will be saved till the very end.
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Lindy
November 29, 2013 at 8:14 AM
Well I side with you. I think it's a complete distraction. As is the whole family feud, who will control the company, my stock portfolio is bigger than your stock portfolio thing.
I have posted more of my views about Heirs and specifically the character of Kim Tan than I have about any other show ever, Korean or otherwise. I'm not going to do that any more except to say that Kim Tan is written, very cleverly in my opinion, as the classic "bad boyfriend". His controlling, narcissistic, bullying nature goes far beyond what is standard for the typical first lead asshole rich heir who falls for the poor but noble girl. He really hasn't developed one iota. He's still hauling her around by the wrist, dumping her backpack and rifling through its contents, demanding that she do what he says and go where he wants her to go without thinking about it,, and leaving everything up to him without giving her any information about what he is about to do. She's no equal partner at all. To blame the writer for somehow not giving us what we want or expect is unfair because she's showing us what she wants to show us.
Most of the other main characters have shown plenty of development. Tan's mother becomes more heartbreaking by the episode. Rachel is moving from a little girl who thinks her money will buy her everything to just maybe the first stirrings of real romantic feeling for someone who might care for her back. I loved the way Hyo-shin turns around to watch Rachel walk away, as if he's suddenly seeing her in a new light.
And of course Young-do. He's changed from about the nastiest bully I've ever seen on a Korean drama because he's not a cartoon figure of a bully but really terrifying. His relationship with Eun-sang has changed him; he's become a better person for having known her. Isn't this what we want to see in our romantic lead heroes? He may start out as a jerk but love makes him grow as a person to the point that he becomes worthy of our heroine's love even if she never loves him back.
The scene where he waits for Eun-sang outside her cafe is very well, but subtly, written. We already know it's very cold, both Myung-soo and Tan's mother mention it, but he doesn't invade her personal space by entering her workplace although he's done it before. He admits his mistake in leading Rachel there and apologizes before she says a word. He asks her if she will be okay, tells her if she needs help to call him and then walks away. He respects her as an intelligent person who is capable of making her own decisions and fighting her own battles. He trusts her. He's willing to be her knight but only if she wants him to be her knight.
Also the band-aid. I knew we were going to see it again because I've read one too many of my husband's screenplays. Young-do lets Eun-sang go to Tan because he realizes Tan is her choice and he's not going to fight for her. He tries to warn her but lets her go anyway. He accepts he's lost her. He's thinking about what she wants here not about what he wants at all. The band-aid might be all he ever has of Eun-sang and it is precious to him.
About all the personal comments regarding Park Shin-hye's kissing ability reflecting some real life issues she has with men or whatever. She's an actress playing a part, she's being directed as an actress to respond this way in scenes that have been written for her character. The real Park Shin-hye is not the character Eun-sang. It's unfair to...
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Lindy
November 29, 2013 at 8:29 AM
Con't:
It's unfair to extrapolate things that are fictional as somehow reflecting something about Park Shin-hye in real life. Whether or not she is a "good" kisser in real life is none of our business. I predict that we will see a kiss, it will be as hot as the standards of Korean drama allow, and it won't be between Kim Tan and Eun-sang. I also think Eun-sang has pulled a fast one on Big Daddy Kim. He thinks she's jetting off to Buenos Aires (a lovely city, btw, and known as the Paris of South America. No real hardship there) but she's still in Seoul or someplace close at hand.
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Faye
November 29, 2013 at 9:54 AM
THANK YOU for this post. We all have our likes and dislikes re actors and actresses, which is fine. But some of these snarky comments calling Park Shin Hye, among other things, frigid, a lesbian, and a victim of sexual abuse based on her kissing scenes is really beyond the pale of what is considered decent discourse (not to mention it really brings down the level of discussion, IMO).
potatoluvah
November 29, 2013 at 10:44 AM
I've been reading a lot of comments (and some psychoanalysis) on the kissing scenes every episode and it seemed PSH herself has become a subject for evaluation. I don't watch Korean dramas for the kissing scenes. Actually, I couldn't care less about them. Most often than not, I find them awkward and unromantic in Korean dramas. Like I would rather settle for a tender loving hug than a forced passionate kiss where the actors tend to just show off but don't actually put in any feelings whatsoever. Knowing that this show is (supposed to be) about 18-year-old students and knowing how Korean TV makes use of the cute innocent concept, is everyone expecting a real nice full make-out session in here? :) Plus if that's all that the script calls for, then that's what the actress has to deliver. Maybe it's part of the script that she really has to be awkward, hesitant, doubtful, worried, whatever... We don't know if perhaps KT is ES' first boyfriend so, of course, she should look inexperienced. Maybe like what Lindy12 said, someone else will have that magical kiss everyone will approve of. My point is it's okay to critique a show, but to critique a person's character based on a show is not. (Besides whatever she looks like when she does it, no one can really judge PSH's kissing skills, unless you personally ask any of her kissing partners or you kiss her yourself. :D)
OT: Probably my most favorite onscreen kiss is the final scene from the movie "Never Been Kissed" with Drew Barrymore and Michael Vartan. Another one is from the British TV miniseries "North & South" with Richard Armitage and Daniela Denby-Ashe. The train station scene is just... wow. Talk about intensity.
North and South
I have yet to watch a Korean onscreen kiss that would make me feel giddy to the bones. :D
Celery
November 29, 2013 at 10:57 AM
@potatoluvah
OT but I love loved North and South. And I don't usually enjoy period pieces. Need to go back and check out the kiss scene again - was too distracted by the prettah cinematography and sizzling chemistry between leads in every single cut!
(PS- Heart potatoes too, om nom)
potatoluvah
November 29, 2013 at 2:10 PM
OT @Celery
Now I might re-watch N&S again one of these days. The proposal scene, awwww. :(
I do love anything and everything potato: steamed, buttered, stewed, fried, chips, etc. :D
And I do love the scent of celery!
Lindy
November 29, 2013 at 11:15 AM
I also don't watch Kdrama for the kissing. Usually I'm thinking "please don't kiss, please don't kiss" because they are so awkward and real buzz kills. There have been two, though, that fit the bill for me. The first between Cha Seung-won and Kim Sun-ah in The City Hall. He kisses her, she responds and, in a subsequent episode, they spend the first of what will be many nights together because they are 30-something lovers. We see Cha Seung-won's bare arm and shoulder and part of his naked chest exposed as Kim Sun-ah dresses to leave. He has a look on his face that makes it clear they have both had a very good time. Wow! Who knew people in Kdramaland took off their clothes to have sex?!?
The second is in Cruel City between Jung Kyung-ho and Nam Gyu-ri. The characters also end up naked in bed together. The whole build up kiss and bed scene is very hot indeed and she initiates it which makes it even hotter. I accept the fact that standards are different in different countries and that children might be watching. And there are also different cultural norms at play regarding who kisses first and how the woman should respond if she's virtuous and a "good girl". So I cut a lot of slack here but I am a grown-up now and it's refreshing to see a bit of heat.
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Vicky
November 29, 2013 at 9:49 AM
@potatoluvah, Great quote. I saw that on Soompi yesterday and was also considering posting it on here cause i thought it was so profound. Great minds uh :)
But yeah, I agree the poster that KT was more like the 2nd lead while YD was more like the first personality wise. I get it now why many people were shipping YD and ES, but I was always Team ES/KT and I'm glad they ended up together.
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potatoluvah
November 29, 2013 at 11:11 AM
Yes, same frequency. :D I've almost convinced myself that it's really ES/KT and ES/YD is more of my own wishful thinking. However, I'm wondering why with KT's final scene, I felt almost nothing, but I was so affected that I even got teary eyed when ES said her final words of advice to YD in front of the convenience store. :( Does it make it more painful to know that someone is about to leave, rather than knowing after that someone has already left? It's just a shame that we're already way past the middle before the really interesting stuff started happening. I almost dropped this and just read the recaps. Whatever the outcome will be, I just hope it will make all our patience and endurance worth it. (But still I'd feel way better if YD gets a happy ending. That boy needs a really big hug.)
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Lindy
November 29, 2013 at 11:49 AM
You have put this so well. Tan as a character has almost no emotional resonance with the audience where as Young-do is resonating so much the screen is practically vibrating with emotion. And I am not criticizing Lee Min-ho's acting skills here either. I think he is a good actor and is doing a great job with the character of Tan. He often stares at the camera, giving nothing away, and this is actually pretty hard for an actor to do. Right from the beginning, Tan has been completely impossible to read, at least for me. I can't get a handle on him. I wanted to like him but I couldn't. He's somehow "off". Even in the last scene where he cries in the apartment, I wondered if he was crying because Eun-sang has gone or if he is crying because his father has gotten the better of him.
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potatoluvah
November 29, 2013 at 2:02 PM
"Even in the last scene where he cries in the apartment, I wondered if he was crying because Eun-sang has gone or if he is crying because his father has gotten the better of him."
I remember when KT told Won how he lost both him and his father and so ES is the only one he's got left. I got the impression that KT is more like the "I love you because I need you" kind of guy here. He feels alone, like no one in his family cares about him and no one takes him seriously. He wants ES to stay with him because he has no one else. Now I think that's worrisome because KT himself might not even know what it is he really needs (or wants). He starts the rebellion, aiming to fight back and prove himself worthy? Okay, go ahead, but is he un/knowingly using ES to do just that?
Regarding KT and ES, I don't know what it really was that attracted ES to him (and vice versa). He is very demanding, controlling and domineering. I believe some girls/women would find it attractive when I guy takes charge and seems to know what he wants, but KT crosses the line of being forceful and manipulative. He displays obviously superiority in the relationship. He doesn't even let ES to make her own decisions. He just always imposes what he wants. For anyone reading this, please enlighten me if I am missing something, anything redeeming, admirable or good about KT's character because so far, I can't find any.
Being the heroine of the story, I also don't quite exactly get what it was in ES that KT found attractive. As I remember, ES and YD's first interaction was when ES took Rachel's name pin (except they already "met" unilaterally before). ES caught his attention because of the way she stood up for herself against Rachel's intimidation. I think I might have actually liked ES in that scene and the fact that she is causing a change in YD. Now with KT (which is supposed to be the OTP, the "real" romance), okay he saw her crying. He might have found her cute. His take-charge personality came out. He wanted to rescue the damsel in distress. Again, she was cute. They stayed in the same house and he eventually fell for her. It might have been the first time he met and spent time with a "commoner," someone outside of his social circle. ES might have looked like his escape and the door for normalcy in his messed-up rich man's illegitimate son's world. KT was first to like ES. It was only quite recently that she acknowledged she is starting to really like him as well. Plus they lived under the same roof and have spent so much time together so it's only natural to develop deeper feelings for the other. This is why I am undecided about ES' character and true feelings for KT. Any (poor) girl who becomes the object of affection and attention of a handsome, rich guy who is clearly out of her league can almost always be surely swayed. I imagine it was the first time this happened to her and she would feel flattered by it. She tried to suppress it but gave in anyway.
Lindy
November 29, 2013 at 3:37 PM
"please enlighten me if I am missing something, anything redeeming, admirable or good about KT’s character because so far, I can’t find any"
I can't find anything either and I wanted to like Tan when I first started watching Heirs. I guess it's the difference between what he's saying and what we are seeing. He says "I've had such a hard life." But as far as I can tell, for an illegitimate child, everybody has gone to great lengths to protect him. He's lived in luxury and been the alpha male in his dealings with people his age most of his life. Sure it's a drag his real mother has to remain in the shadows but by doing so Tan has been given full legal status as a legitimate son of the house. What would have been the alternative for Tan and his mother had this not happened?
He says he's tired of living a lie and gets himself kicked out of the house. But then, instead of looking for work to show us how really tired he is of it all and how serious he is about renouncing it by getting a job, he sponges off Eun-sang, his friends, gets Mom bring him clean clothes and possibly money, and crashes in his reluctant brother's very cushy hotel suite.
I get Eun-sang's character and why she now likes Tan. She's a naive, innocent and inexperienced 18 year old girl in her first romance. And it's with a rich, handsome, take charge young man who seems to need her just so much. He's like a prince charming. I can't fault her for this; many experienced women have done the same with such men. Okay, so he might be a bit, possessive, domineering, short-tempered, controlling etc but he'll change. Yeah, right!
saranghaelmh
December 2, 2013 at 6:46 AM
I totally agree. LMH and KWB both have the magnetic pull that draws the viewers. I am pretty sure if KT was YD, the reaction would have been opposite. The main point here is we didn't get to see KT change while YD progressed throughout the series. KT changed offscreen. Even otherwise, KT does not act without provocation with regards to YD. It all depends on what floats your boat. I would both are equally damaged characters and imperfect still. Neither is a goody two shoes nor the perfect BF. They both have a lot of growing up to do. PSH sigh, while I wish she could have done better during the kiss, LMH made up for it.
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85 geese
November 29, 2013 at 6:57 AM
ha finally if they had just do it a little earlier so that we can discuss the real issue…whew…what took you so long…it feels like the show is just about to start and were in episode 16 and its only till episode 20….writer-nim what happen…
i don't care about ratings but please make the script way better...
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86 nova611
November 29, 2013 at 7:03 AM
i didn't watch drama in this ep
i watch PPL only~
too many
its distracting my focus
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87 MYoung
November 29, 2013 at 7:12 AM
First the kiss, why in the world she had that expression on her face while LMH was kissing her! 8{ is that normal? They are 18, and 18 year olds act the same around the world, I just hope that there is a better kiss by the end of the show, he did awesome, a bit desperate, but I understand :-), with a girlfriend like her I would have done the same.
Tan's crying scene at the end, was worth 100 Oscars!! Bravo!! I could feel the pain through the screen.
I hope they don't rush the end, it will kill me if they do like I've seen in other dramas
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sundei
November 29, 2013 at 11:27 AM
I disagree. Not all 18 year olds act the same around the world. If that were the case, some teenager will be persecuted in some parts of the world.
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MYoung
November 30, 2013 at 5:02 AM
What I meant by that, is when it's about love. When you love someone what you feel it's strong, you want to be with that person. How come she kissed her and she had that face? Maybe it was supposed to be like that, maybe she was holding her tears because she knew she was leaving anyways, it didn't matter what he would do. That the best explanation I can find to reason why in the world she had that face.
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88 Z
November 29, 2013 at 7:25 AM
1) After a pretty good episode 15, I rolled my eyes so hard this episode that I almost popped a blood vessel. This was like the Jackson Pollack of forced Separations. They just splattered every cliche they could get their hands on all over my computer screen and called it Plot Progession.
2) I'm trying to feel bad for Won, I really am. But everything that's happening to him is his own fault. Hmmm... push your brother away for 8 years and wonder why he's using his new found influence to force your hand. Push your girl away for God knows how long and wonder why she wont uproot her life and wait for you in a foreign country.
3) Eun Sang: You're a noble idiot not because you let the Chairman buy you off. In this case, I can see how you had little choice. Tan may have no one left but you still have people who you have to protect. I just hate that you pulled the age old, I'm going to disappear, trick. I know that you are out of practice at using your backbone, but how hard can it be to stand up and say, "I was given a choice and this is the choice I made."
4) If only the Vampire Aliens had given Young Do his body back earlier. I really like his human half and him and Eun Sang were really cute together as reluctant besties. But I can't feel too sorry about his loss either. Hopefully h takes Eun Sang's advice and s actyually, you know, NICE to the the next girl he likes.
5) The Chairman ray-Cray, bu we all knew that already.
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sundei
November 29, 2013 at 10:57 AM
3.) i think she is cornered. I don't blame her. She's young. She is powerless. At the end of the day her love for KT is not going to make her survive happily. With KT stubborn enough to go against all odds, she knew better not to tell him anymore. And then what? He does something to rebel against Daddy again. And then what? They go hide somewhere again and Daddy threaten her life. And then what? She tells KT again. It's a roller coaster. It has to come to a full stop at some point because more than the love they have for each other, she also has to take care of herself, her future, her mother and her life. And that life is not just KT. The only stupid she has ever done was to fall in love with KT but then again, I don't blame her for that. :)
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Z
November 29, 2013 at 2:44 PM
That's just it. I get why she has to leave. I would leave too in her case because Tan is not in any kind of position to protect her or even himself yet. As his father pointed out, he doesn't yet know how to wield his sword. I just hate it when these characters leave and don't say anything. Be honest with him and have a proper goodbye (hide your passport and your plane ticket first). He's going to rage; he's going to cry; he's going to try to hold you back. But 1) he's going to do all those things anyway, whether she told him the truth or not and 2) If you're so convinced that you made the right decision, which I think she did, then own it and defended no matter what kind of controlling machinations he tries to pull.
Let's be real, the only reason that Tan has been able to control Eun Sang so much is because she lets him for some stupid reason. We've seen enough of spunky Eun Sang to know that you're not going to walk over her if she doesn't want you to. So, use some of that spunk now and tell him "I've got to go. There is no other way right now. Here's my Skype ID. Let me know when your dad either dies or stops being insane and I'll gladly come back."
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sundei
November 29, 2013 at 8:24 PM
LOL. i guess that is an option but no so much drama. they want to suck in the drama.
i totally get it though. the more harsh the happening, the more painful for the characters, the more dramatic the changes. there has to be an element of harshness enough for the characters to change or mature or totally overcome a situation. otherwise, things would just be easy again. it has to be challenging and it has to be heavy enough to cause damage.
i like the folly of youth. they have the privilege to be stupid. but what i like better is how they become after learning from those. so i am looking forward to the last 4 episodes. i want to see if they at all ever will grow up...and that includes Won.
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Z
November 29, 2013 at 9:22 PM
True true... without all the unnecessary drama all of our shows would be over in five episodes (which might not be a bad thing in some cases).
89 ???
November 29, 2013 at 7:52 AM
WHY does Park shin Hye always have a long face?????????? (depressed)
In the kiss scene,she frowns,making wrinkles on her face like ugly grandmothers. AND ABOVE ALL,NOT moving her lips!!!!!
why is she like this????? Isn't she an actress???
Is it REALLY too much for a viewer 2 expect an actress 2 do well on the kiss scene???
Is it really hard????
WHEN lee min ho travels 2 other countries,WOMEN & GIRLS kill themselves in order JUST 2 hold his hand or just grab his attention!! They follow him around wanting 2 see him!!
It is strange!!!! HOW possibly can PSH be this much reluctant??? does she have sexual issues???
I am wondering if Being kissed by a tall,handsome man is a TOUGH STUFF!!!
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90 Adal
November 29, 2013 at 8:18 AM
Am I the only one who doesn't see KT's dad as a true villain? I see the characters in shades of gray and maybe KT's dad was teaching them a powerful, though painful lesson about life to prepare them for future battles ahead with his relatives.
Take KT for instance, I mean, what can he really offer ES at this stage? I know LMH looks older, but they are basically playing teenagers, what real power does he have? He hasn't finished school, hasn't held a job, doesn't have any money of his own that his father hasn't given him. What does he really know about love, life and commitment? What he has is a teenage love which he is quite obsessed about, and to put it kindly, in the context of the real world and in light of his responsibilities to his family and the family business, it may be wise for him to take a break and refocus his priorities.
I get why the father has difficulty understanding why Tan would sacrifice so much for a teenage love - in reality how many teenage loves actually lead to the altar? Many, many times, people grow and change, and the person we feel close to in our teenage years may not be the right person for us as we get older, mature and change. So was it right for KT to risk his reputation, future on a teenage love? Only in Kdrama land. Eun Sang was quite correct that they should finish school and become more independent before they started focusing on romance.
Now take Won as another example, he had the position handed over to him by his father, never really had to struggle for the position for a day in life, granted that he was just a puppet CEO, but he really wouldn't have been CEO if he had been born an ordinary jock without a billionaire father - his father had to show him what it would take for him to actually struggle to get something on his own merit - Won had to lobby and grease the wheel before the board meeting to hold on to something that he considered his own - which is what he would have to do if he ever got challenged by his dad's siblings and if his father was not around to protect him.
A good parent teaches life lessons to their kids, both hard and painful ones as well as sweet and easy ones. I know that KT and Won's dad sucks on the basic parenting skills - but I won't easily dismiss what he did as just "being vindictive or being malicious" because there's a method to his madness and I believe he genuinely loves his sons in his own way.
Quite frankly, they need a time skip to allow this drama be more realistic, all the kids need to grow up and start working or face the real world. It might have even been more convincing if this was college - but a high school romance? You'll have a hard time convincing me that KT's excessive emoting has much merit. Eun Sang is the only one for him? He doesn't have anyone else? What about his mom or his friends? He needs balance. And perhaps KT ought to have taken a page out of Won's book - progressing slowly and quietly to get your goal (I'm speaking of Won's romance) is better than all the high flown declarations that get you nowhere.
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Lindy
November 29, 2013 at 9:49 AM
I don't see Kim Tan's father as a true villain either. He could make life really, really miserable for Eun-sang and her mother. Lord know's we've seen enough of this on other Kdramas. But he gives her a choice, go now to a very nice place (America, France, or England) or spend two weeks with Tan and then go to a place of his choosing. Although I fail to see why Buenos Aires fits into this second category. I've been there and it's a very beautiful city on a continent that is on the up-swing globally. The sky's the limit for an intelligent, ambitious Korean girl to succeed there. It's not like he's sending her to Antarctica to count penguins.
He has underestimated Eun-sang however. She's not the stereotypical poor person with no shame. None of these people know anything about what poor people are really like anyway. They exist to know their place and serve the rich. This gives the poor their one small advantage. If you want to protect someone well, duh, don't go to a high end apartment with a chauffeured car at your beck and call paid for by what is ultimately Daddy's nickel. Both Won and Tan underestimate their father completely if they think that's going to work. The only one who probably knows how Eun-sang and her mother might be living is Young-do.
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windsun33
November 29, 2013 at 11:04 AM
I thought the deal with the apartment was kind of stupid. It would take daddy about 2 days to buy the building and tear it down if he really wanted to. KT does not strike me as a very deep thinker at all - he just reacts.
And one thing about being poor - it gives you more options in some ways, because you have much less to lose. KT and Won both are living off of daddy's money, and KT especially would be much worse off than ES without the money, despite all his talk of "giving it all up".
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sundei
November 29, 2013 at 11:19 AM
I thought it was perfect. KT is after all just 18 years old. He is supposed to act like an 18 year old. Jeez I was acting worse even at 23 haha. So it is just as it should be. Of course he doesn't think. He just follows his heart. But that was why what Daddy said was true --- KT would have lost his youth that day. And when he does, he would realize pain can transform him into a jaded, heartless person. Or we'll see.
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windsun33
November 29, 2013 at 10:58 AM
That is a good perspective. Though it is really easy for us to see Grinch Daddy as.. well, a Grinch, perhaps he is not really as mean as it looks (though I still think he is pretty mean).
As for Won - I think he has brought a lot of his problems on himself. He blames daddy and KT, but in reality it was him that got ahead of himself in attempting to solidity his control of the company. Perhaps the real reason for the stockholders meeting was to show him that he was not in control of things quite as much as he thought he was.
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MYoung
November 30, 2013 at 5:15 AM
Well said. I always thought that KT needs to grow up, at 18 you will normally react without thinking in the future, what is going to happen, what are the consequences, that is why he was never going anywhere, he was always going around, like a dog following his tail.
Now, even though he seems mature due to all he it's been through, he is going to mature more, and he will grow up. I believe that now the show will jump into the future, I mean it has to, there is nothing he can offer her now.
He needs to become a man, not an 18 year old kid who has nothing of his own.
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91 Abbie
November 29, 2013 at 8:42 AM
This ending is just sad and depressing for Tan and for me. What happened to Eun-sang's backbone? If I were her I wouldn't back down just because my boyfriend's daddy was a dick about everything. The man seriously needs to get killed off or go to prison because he just ruins this show more than it already is. I seriously hate him!
This whole episode just made me sad for the characters, especially Tan, Eun-sang, Won, Madame Han and Mom. All these characters are so sad and depressed that I am too.
Thanks for the recap, Javabeans!
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92 loveeunsang
November 29, 2013 at 8:59 AM
I guess Eunsang is looking uncomfortable during that kiss is because Tan has a really big lips..he looks like he can chew her mouth in a go.
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Ruby
November 29, 2013 at 5:27 PM
hahahaha...she loves it regardless
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93 RaineeDays
November 29, 2013 at 10:06 AM
Yoon Eun Hye and Lee Min Ho should do a drama. I would watch that even if it was crappy just to see them kiss. Inagine the Coca-Cola Kiss from Lie to Me mixed with the Game Over Kiss from Personal Taste.
Yummy.
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Jaglaine
November 29, 2013 at 10:25 PM
LOL! I was thinking earlier that it would have been great if YEH could switch roles with PSH. Then maybe this drama would be better and JYH would've been happier working with PSH. Remember, he was offered the role of YD first.
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reine
November 30, 2013 at 2:05 AM
you'd really want to watch another awkward jyh-psh drama though? heartstrings wasn't mess enough?
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mel
November 30, 2013 at 5:55 PM
Yonghwa is more than happy to work with YEH
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elfin
December 1, 2013 at 12:08 PM
Good idea. YEH is the make out queen and LMH is the suck face king. Their kiss will surely be epic.
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94 Sweet Chocolate
November 29, 2013 at 10:50 AM
questions running thorough my head!!
No previews!!
No ideas!!
1-how will Tan behave from now on?! It would be cliche & a bit boring if he got into a very bad guys who would just get drunk & cause trouble!! I don't want this!
the writer is KES!I wanna something great!! Unexpected events!!
2-How Tan & Eun San are going 2 bump into each other??
3-How will be Tan's reaction?? maybe going crazy cause he has been asking her not 2 leave!!
4-will there be really HOT SCENES when they first bump into each other??!! (plssss :)
5-will there be time elapse??
6-how will Tan beat his father???
7-when in the HELL is Won going 2 give Tan a hand???
any guesses?? what's ur ideas???
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November 29, 2013 at 2:07 PM
guesses:
1. Tan will be playing along from then on. He will be cold, jaded and passive. All his emotions will be shut down because the one last hope he had left for smiling is gone. Snuffed out. He will celebrate his 18th birthday and he will then officially be managing his own shares. He is now an adult. No one will know what he has in his heart and mind.
2. They won't bump into each other. KT will find her. Or she will show herself. It will be in a situation where it would be a risk for either of them.
3. KT will be frozen. He will still be in a state of pain and the cause of that is ES. He will say something hurtful to her and she will take it because she would feel deserving of it. She will....in return...find a way to show him he really sincerely loved her. Tables are turned.
4. Ummm...no. But sweetness would be there for sure.
5. I think there should be. Because I don't know how they can overcome everything at their age still. And I don't see how Daddy can just accept things so easily. It will take time. It will take years.
6. To beat his demons, Tan would very well know to conspire with the devil. Get to know the enemy. Get to know yourself. Only then can you know where and how to beat the enemy. He will drop everything. Give up his life. Hand it all to Won. Make it on his own. By then, Daddy will be in his deathbed and too weak to do anything. By then too, KT will be doing it for himself and his mother and not for a girl anymore or whatever that girl represents.
7. I think Won already has. But...I am just guessing. :D
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Alice
November 29, 2013 at 5:20 PM
All other scenes are not necessary, they're just commas now.
The story line that will hit 35% viewership rating will be more torrid scenes between these two 18 year olds who can make love scenes suited for 30 years old.
Why the heck did KES make them 18 years old when obviously they look in their late 20s to mid 30s and can belt out in kissing scenes like that? Can an 18 year boy-girl suck each others mouth like 30 years old? They're supposed to be innocent. Tan may have lived in the US but CES lived in Korea but she responded the kiss without any shyness.
I can't understand. Park Shin Hye and Lee Min Ho are in blazing hot spot.
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sundei
November 29, 2013 at 8:30 PM
Uh I actually have seen a lot of daring kids younger than 18 these days. I am pretty sure they kiss even way more than how ES and KT did it.
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95 windsun33
November 29, 2013 at 11:10 AM
Despite all the comments (including a few of my own) about The Kiss To End All Kisses, I have to say that the only scene that really tugged at me was KT's mom crying over ES's mom leaving.
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96 fantasma
November 29, 2013 at 3:42 PM
You know, I was thinking and I've came up with my kinda of ideal ending for ES, here it goes:
We time jump 15 years, ES is a sucessful woman in her career choice of professional funeral crier (there are some of these here in Brazil), then she is shown eating out with a friend and says: you know, when I was a teenager I fell in Love with this guy, He seemed to love me so much and I was Head over heels about him, you know how it is at that age, right? But actually He was scary, controlling, narcissistic and etc. His dad was also against us being together and He gave me an ultimatum: leave my son or I make your Life miserable. And so I played The part of The noble idiot and left. But you know what, thinking Back, I can't regret it.
At that time, I thought I was going to die without him, but really, my Life with him was hell and I couldn't see. He acted as my owner and gave me no choices about anything. So leaving him wasn't misery, living with him would be it. Now I recall that everytime He kissed me my body froze and I couldn't dive into it and I was Always crying when He was around me. Girl, my body sent me so many warnings but I was blinded by my hormones! Glad I dodged that bullet.
So, that would fit, wouldn't it? I couldn't think of The fates of the other characters yet.
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windsun33
November 29, 2013 at 10:25 PM
Hehe, pretty good future scenario - and pretty realistic also I think.
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Lindy
December 1, 2013 at 11:32 AM
This ending for Eun-sang would be perfect. Great scenario!
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97 Holly
November 29, 2013 at 5:00 PM
GEE..THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE 18 YEAR OLD HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS LIVING AND STUDYING IN SOUTH KOREA.
BUT, LEE MIN HO AND PARK SHIN HYE ARE SUCKING EACH OTHER (yes, Tan and Eun Sang). I disagree that Park Shin Hye is just standing there, I saw the kiss cut from Soompi and Daily Motion, she was responding to it. You can see her mouth opening and sucking Lee Min Ho too. The passionate kiss is reciprocated in every move.
I don't want to say this, but from the looks of it they got a surprise of their life too when they responded to this scene. Meaning, there is a hidden attraction. As one fan puts it, Shin Hye is like a dormant volcano and it took a guy named Lee Min Ho to ignite the fire in her.
Now, other scenes are less valuable to me. I mean the story is like BoF, so what's there to anticipate but the fire of physical attraction that was finally ignited.
Some are saying, that Cha Eun Sang cried when Kim Tan - she cried because he did not finish what he started and that was an unmet need. So she cried. hahahaha...joke.
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Ruby
November 29, 2013 at 5:25 PM
I agree. I watched Daily Motion kiss cut 20x - Park Shin Hye is sucking Lee Min Ho too - in every move she responded.
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98 Alice
November 29, 2013 at 5:06 PM
Park Shin Hye got an acting award which she received yesterday from her role in Miracle in Cell 7. She was trending in Korea for more than 24 hours, not because of her acting award, but her passionate kiss with Lee Min Ho.
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Barbara Starks
November 29, 2013 at 6:50 PM
Did you watch the movie? She was just as emotionless, empty as she appears in her drama. The young girl that played her should have won that award. You really can't put any value on award shows in Korean it never about good acting but good marketing!
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windsun33
November 29, 2013 at 10:35 PM
A couple weeks ago someone posted in another OT about how reliable the fans thought the awards vs actual performances were, and it was like 15%. Some awards, like most popular, are just fluff.
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99 Alice
November 29, 2013 at 5:12 PM
I wonder if SBS is reading dramabeans and all these comments. They should be encouraged to put more passionate scenes between Lee Min Ho and Park Shin Hye - because the story is just remake of BoF anyway.
Honestly, I don't care what happens to other characters in this, all I want to see is Park Shin Hye and Lee Min Ho's sucking kisses.
Mr. Director, go a step further don't let Park Shin Hye cry because the torrid kiss is not followed-up, don't let her hang in the air. okidoki
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100 pola
November 29, 2013 at 5:28 PM
most people here comment like they are experts in drama production. you complain abt lmh's crying scenes, highschool role, psh kissing scenes, etc etc blah blah blah. lol, as if you are actors yourselves. make it simple. stop watching the show if you would just complain about the actors. your opinions doesn't matter in korea's ratings anyway.
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Me
November 29, 2013 at 5:44 PM
I don't complain about her kissing scenes. She and LMH did an excellent job on that, too excellent in fact.
I don't care what they'll do with the production. The fact is, its viewership rating is in its highest in Episode 16. It trended not because of the story but because of the passionate kiss.
What matters is the viewership rating and what people want in Korea is more intense than episode 16.
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windsun33
November 29, 2013 at 10:41 PM
I don't have to be an expert in anything to tell when something is bad or not right. I don't have to be a chef to tell when the food is bad at a restaurant, nor do I have to be an expert in drama production to see when acting is good or bad.
This site is for serious adult discussions - read the site description: "deconstruction Korean drama", it is not a fan site nor an anti-fan site. You are perfectly free to voice your own opinions, but I don't think you have the right to tell others what they should do or what their opinions should be, nor to tell anyone what to watch.
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Ace
December 1, 2013 at 1:17 AM
It's all relative. What's bad to you may not be bad to us and vice versa. You have the right to say what you want however negative it is, but doing so repetitively and sometimes deliberately bordering on tactless to a positive post is not constructive and gets irritating to those who enjoy it. You're raining too much on other people's parade and that's not contributing to a happy discussion.
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Ace
December 1, 2013 at 5:42 AM
Also...
"I don’t have to be an expert in anything..." - the thing is, every post sounds like you're saying you're the expert on judging acting and your opinion is the only opinion. Everyone has a certain standard or tolerance, so opinions may vary on whether the acting is good or bad. Of course if one if a fan, that would color their judgment and you really can't do anything about that.
"This site is for serious adult discussions" - sounds condescending and really immature for an 'adult' like you. Well, I've been a fan of db because their deconstruction of dramas although serious sometimes, it's always been fun, sarcastic, witty, and most of all fair whether they like something or not. Before, I've always loved the comments even the negative ones because reasons were given and it was said in a friendly manner (i.e. agree to disagree) and makes me want to get to know them even if their opinion differs from mine. You, on the other hand...I've mostly ignored because I thought you were gonna quit watching and saying negative stuff but you're still here! Obsessed much?
Anyway, hope in the future some of your comments be a little constructive if not positive so we can discuss Heirs in a friendly atmosphere.
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