Dramabeans Podcast #14, Part 1
by javabeans
We’re a bit overdue for a podcast, which means that this one’s super long. In our defense, there was a ton of ground to cover. And yeah, so maybe we just had a lot to say about Gaksital. I was SO determined to make this podcast fit into one reasonably-lengthed entry… but who was I kidding? It was over with ‘reasonable.’ Two parts it is! And we weren’t even drunkin’ it.
Podcast #14, Part 1
Running time: 67:40
In which we:
- talk about the disappointment that was Big and why the Hong Sisters didn’t deliver (3:10);
- begin the very long discussion on Gaksital, beginning with overall impressions and how we rate the show (9:53);
- discuss Gaksital’s dealing of historical events and people, with a brief mention of The Princess’s Man (16:40);
- still Gaksital: its technical merits, why the director rocks, why the action scenes are meaningful, and how it went dark (20:35);
- move on, finally, to Answer Me 1997, why we loved it, and where it faltered (32:35);
- wonder about To the Beautiful You, where characters act like aliens (43:50);
- puzzle out the dichotomy of Faith of its potential versus execution (49:19);
- and discuss its lead stars Kim Hee-sun and Lee Min-ho (60:06).
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Songs Used in Podcast (In order of use)
Vanilla Acoustic – “Goodbye June…”
Venny – “Hey U” from the Big OST
“심판의 날” (Judgment Day) with Joo-won from the Gaksital OST
“내가 니 앞에 있는데” (But I’m Right Next To You) from the Gaksital OST
“각시탈” (Bridal Mask) from the Gaksital OST
Seo In-gook, Jung Eun-ji – “All For You”
J-Min – “일어나 (Stand Up)” from the To the Beautiful You OST
Ali – “Carry On” from the Faith OST
Younha – “눈물이 한방울” (One Tear) from the Faith OST
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Tags: Answer Me 1997, Big, Faith, featured, Gaksital, To the Beautiful You
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1 dulcedeleche
October 7, 2012 at 12:38 PM
Arg haven't gotten a chance to watch Gaksital yet. Will have to skip that part of the podcast....
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dulcedeleche
October 7, 2012 at 1:15 PM
omo...that was really long! Can't wait for part 2. Btw have you guys watched Oo Laa la Spouses yet?
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monch
October 7, 2012 at 5:12 PM
Jajajajaja I just did the same :) for the same reason :P
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~Feather~
October 8, 2012 at 2:44 PM
me too :)
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2 Betty
October 7, 2012 at 12:38 PM
Oh cool!!! I am really happy about this podcast. Thank you :-)
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3 Amberscube
October 7, 2012 at 12:39 PM
Yay, just what i have been waiting...
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4 coby
October 7, 2012 at 12:46 PM
been waiting for this!
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5 ninji
October 7, 2012 at 12:47 PM
Awesome. Now I know what I'm gonna listen to on my way to work tomorrow.
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6 R
October 7, 2012 at 12:51 PM
Thanks a lot !!
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R
October 7, 2012 at 2:11 PM
I LOVE your discussion on Gaksital and agree with your comments, especially about the action scenes, the directors talents and Joo Won !
Gaksital was certainly not perfect but it has my heart and listening to this make me miss the show and the characters even more :). So really happy to share your points of view !!!
And I also really wanted to love Faith which had good potential; I liked the character Eun-soo but unfortunately, it became more and more boring for me ...
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7 mtoh
October 7, 2012 at 12:52 PM
Made my night!
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8 sartorius
October 7, 2012 at 12:54 PM
YAYE PODCAST!!! off to listen...
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sartorius
October 7, 2012 at 4:00 PM
i have to agree with u guys on Gaksital, the director did a very good job with d scenery. he balanced it with the scene n made it show what is was meant to shwon without out letting it get carried away. same with d fighting scenes...i swear those scenes spoke to me even thou there were no words...
have to say i didnt watch faith or big n m glad that i did it...lol
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9 ujsid
October 7, 2012 at 12:58 PM
so many of my fav topics in a single podcast!! i gotta hear this now :D
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ujsid
October 7, 2012 at 2:27 PM
Loved your podcast!
and i agree with a lot of things..
i am a Minoz..been one since 2009...but with Faith i dont feel like Min Ho is giving his best...the fact that i am more concerned about Gongmin and Noguk's storyline than Young and Eun Soo's story says a lot!
But that said i do like the drama..its not an amazing drama but its a decent watch :)
As for Reply 1997...its my LOVE! i got soo into this drama...its fantastic..i didn't mind if they did not stay in the 90's or anything..i was so emotionally involved with the characters that i really wanted to see their journey..i wanted to see them grow older and wanted to watch what they do with their lives! oh but the "who is the baby daddy" thing got a leeeettle out of hand...by epi 10 i guess i was like yes show i know :p
Big was just terrible! i had so much expectation for it...i mean seriously how can a drama go wrong with Hong sisters and Gong Yoo! it was an utter disappointment...i couldn't make myself watch it more than epi 6..i actually deleted my whole downloaded folder of epis without even watching it..
Gaksital was just an amazing drama to watch..i have been following Joo Won ever since his debut..i loved him in Baker King...i loved him waaay more than any other character in the drama..hell he was the reason i even completed the drama because truth be said i didn't give a rat's ass about Tak Gu's journey..for me it was all about the yummy Ma Jun...then i saw him in Ojakgyo brothers..well i saw it after the show had already finished airing...and well my love for him grew exponentially...now i just pray for him and UEE to get married :p then watching him in Gaksital i was just too happy...i am so glad that he has a knack for picking really good dramas! he is not one of the most amazing actor out there...i mean he is good but its his drama choices and his characters that just makes the audience love him...And now that he has signed on to a romcom...oh gosh i am gonna be squealing a whole lot :p
Ah about TTBY...i have only seen 1 episode...i was busy with exams so i had to drop some dramas...sadly TTBY was abandoned...but well its based on a manga and well the story gets a little weird in the manga too at some places..so i understand why it would have seemed weird to you guys^^ i personally loved the manga..adored the Japanese version...hated the Taiwanese version with a passion...and i am sure that i am not really going to hate the Korean version...well because in this version atleast the lead guy knows that she is a girl...oh yes i am looking at you Taiwanese version you *^%#&%#...IT WAS SUCH A WASTE OF TIME!!
anyways had fun^^ looking forward to you next podcast..
lots of love to javabeans and girlfriday <3
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10 Saner
October 7, 2012 at 1:01 PM
Whoop! Looking forward to listening to this tomorrow morning on my commute to work :)
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11 CaroleMcDonnell
October 7, 2012 at 1:08 PM
LOL! Whittling! Thanks for the podcast.
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12 crybaby
October 7, 2012 at 1:11 PM
I have been waiting forever for this podcast, thank you so muchhh!! off to listen~ and yes big is dead to me too. I feel like I only loved the beginning, and I loved the first episode. Ending of big was major disappointment.
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13 pleuvior
October 7, 2012 at 1:25 PM
OMG!! :D to the beautiful you "where characters act like aliens" Bahahaha!! Made my day! looking forward to part 2! :D
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Enz
October 7, 2012 at 7:40 PM
Ya, I was at work reading this and LOLed :)
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14 jigglybelly
October 7, 2012 at 1:47 PM
Thanks for this, ladies. I love listening to your personal take on the dramas because it's sometimes so different than what comes off in your recaps. Stupid me did not quite realize that the process of recapping is different from your personal opinion of the dramas. Duh! Anyway, i watched the Japanese version of To the Beautiful You, and in that case the concept worked better than the Korean version because it didn't render the story more depth than actually exists. In the Japanese version, it was played out for laughs, as is typical of the weird, out-of-this-world, school-based Japanese dramas.
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Mystisith
October 7, 2012 at 1:55 PM
Absolutely: Mixing Hana kimi and makjang stuff can't work. It's just not written that way. Plus taking the fun out of it??? Why did they bought the rights for the story in the first place?
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ar_arguably romantic
October 7, 2012 at 2:53 PM
So true!
I've only watched up to episode 7 of TTBY. While I think the drama is faithful to the manga some ways, I think it's not faithful enough to the fun, hi-jinxy spirit of the manga - which in the end makes the drama feel not very faithful to the manga.
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momosan
October 7, 2012 at 2:54 PM
Also, Hana Kimi gave a relatively sane explanation as to why she felt the need to go to all those lengths help Sano jump again. She wasn't just Stalky McStalkersdottir. Also, the zany was pretty high in Hana Kimi, which made the plausibility factor much less of an issue.
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sebsob
October 7, 2012 at 3:18 PM
I loved Hana Kimi so much, it is one of my favourite all time dramas. The characterizations had so much depth, the story detailing that TTBY just overlooked even if we put a pin in all that zaniness. It's a shame because it was a missed opportunity for me.
Nakatsu's story arc, development was so beautiful and I always felt that it was the inspiration for Han Gyul in Coffee Prince.
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sebsob
October 7, 2012 at 4:24 PM
After writing that last line, I remembered that dramas don't always air in the order that I watch them and lo and behold, I find that they actually aired at the same time! Hehe, so I would just say that both characterizations/stories handled that 'love is love' plot line beautifully BUT for my own personal reasons I love Nakatsu more, he will forever have a special place in my heart.
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jigglybelly
October 7, 2012 at 4:45 PM
Ahhhh ... IKUTA TOMA .... he played Nakatsu wonderfully. He was more endearing than Sano in that drama.
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sebsob
October 7, 2012 at 5:05 PM
Agreed. Although I loved the way they ended it, with that silent bus ride, I would have to say that Nakatsu loved her more. Unconditional love. Beautiful.
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15 Arhazivory
October 7, 2012 at 1:53 PM
GAKSITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL!
Sorry, whenever I can type that, I'll look for that opportunity. Thanks ladies; I'll listen it to later.
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16 jasmin
October 7, 2012 at 2:00 PM
The problem with Big was also that the Hong Sisters were not brave enough to do the soul-switch-back earlier and go into the conflict of a student-teacher-relationship.
I still think they should have given the script to a cable broadstation and they would have done better.
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jasmin
October 7, 2012 at 2:01 PM
sorry, I meant cable broadcast station... :)
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Mystisith
October 7, 2012 at 2:11 PM
Obviously they were BIG artistic disagreements: I think than writers, producers, actors and everyone involved wanted to deliver a different version of the story. And I also believe than they have been surprised by the popularity of Shin Won-ho: When the first 2 episodes aired, the net buzzed almost only about him and not much about Gong Yoo. Ouch!
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Mar
October 7, 2012 at 2:56 PM
Mystisith-Haven't had time to listen to the pc yet but wanted to comment on your comment on SWH and I apologize if I say anything covered in the pc- Yes, that explains why it was so schitzo, not a cohesive effort. And definitely a reason for the buzz-the SWH brought it to his few scenes-and there was definitely a sizzle of chemistry between he and Lee Min-jung. Everyone knew Gong Yoo would bring it, but I do not think people expected SWH to be such a presence in his initial scenes. A complexity of the show was that Gong Yoo was portraying Shin Won-ho's character but he is also a strong presence, which many people, including the show makers, seemed not to take into account, that people would forget Gong Yoo was NOT Kang Kyung-joon. And that was a fail in the show-the fail was not to have SWH actively portraying his character in some scenes with Da-ran. Complicated, yes, but a better show would have come out of it. Because to be true to the story, Gong Yoo had to go back to being Seo Yoon-jae in the end, and the story had to wrap with SWH reprising the role Kang Kyung-joon in the flesh with Da-ran. Which didn't happen ane why the ending was a suckfest. That's my 2 cents, anyway, lol.
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ar_arguably romantic
October 7, 2012 at 2:34 PM
And even when they did the switch back, they didn't dare show Shin Won Ho. We were supposed to accept that Kyung-joon experienced some late puberty and in a short time, transformed into the same voice and physique as his older half-brother. The growing pains must have been excruciating.
I was willing to forgive the late switch-back and accept it as part of the narrative they wanted to tell, but the ending proved that they were too chickened to display anyone but Gong-Yoo as the endgame.
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Annie
October 7, 2012 at 4:13 PM
Not using Shin Won Ho just seemed disingenuous even though pairing him with Lee Min Jung was all sorts of wrong in my book. If you want to have a teacher-student story, then by all means let's have one. Using Gong Yoo again at the end just seemed to sweep any attempt at social commentary under the rug.
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RealKDramaaddict
October 8, 2012 at 1:21 AM
They are full-blooded twins; KKJ's mother was a surrogate.
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ar_arguably romantic
October 8, 2012 at 9:18 AM
You're totally right! For some reason, I keep on forgetting that fact even though I found it such an awesome reveal.
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ar_arguably romantic
October 8, 2012 at 9:18 AM
You're totally right! For some reason, I keep on forgetting that fact even though I found it such an awesome reveal.
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canxi
October 7, 2012 at 4:44 PM
I think the biggest thing wrong with BIG is that they didn't show the other side of the body switch. It would have been a much better show, in my opinion, if we got to see Shin Won Ho acting as Seo Yoon Jae. But he was in a coma the WHOLE time. It was weird, and I kind of felt bad for Shin Won Ho since that was all his part added up to in the show added up to. I feel like if we showed both sides of the story it would have been a much better drama.
Not to mention, I feel like the character of Seo Yoon Jae was kind of thrown under the rug with the direction they did take. What happened to him at the end? What did he do? It was all so weird. The fact that they didn't even show Shin Won Ho and Lee Min Jung together in the end makes me think that not even the directors & writers thought they actually looked like they could be a suitable couple, too. Using Gong Yoo in the end was lazy. :l And I still stand by my hunch that Kang Kyung Joon wouldn't have had a chance with Gil Da Ran if he wasn't in Seo Yoon Jae's body. The show never gave any reason to let me, as the viewer, believe otherwise...so the relationship seemed like a farce.
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Mystisith
October 7, 2012 at 5:13 PM
Writer 101:
-If you use the body-swapping premise, ALWAYS use both legs of the story. You have to show 2 people experiencing things and maturing, side to side. It's the old tv trope of the 2 prisoners handcuffed together but in a fantasy way.
- If you use the teacher/student love story premise, don't get cold feet and show us the real thing. It's not like it was the first time that kind of story was shown on screen: I've seen at least 5 or 6 dramas of that kind (skinship included), and I don't even talk about the movie Green Chair which was clearly for adults... Or else they should have done a drama only about the kiddo finding a family and not a rom-com. Guh, I'm still so bitter about that drama than I can't stop ranting.
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Mar
October 7, 2012 at 5:36 PM
What Mystisith said. That's it in a nutshell.
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canxi
October 7, 2012 at 5:38 PM
Yeah! The whole time I kept hoping Seo Yoon Jae would wake up inside of Kang Kyung Joon's body and it just neeeever happened. And so, I'm sitting here...like...what does Seo Yoon Jae learn from all of this? Cuz it seemed he needed to learn to be more open with his feelings and let people in on what he's thinking but I guess he'll never learn that because he's in a frikkin coma down in the ocean. Wtf.
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17 crazedlu
October 7, 2012 at 2:07 PM
Darn iPad. Can't listen in right now. Guess I'll be back later. Excited! Especially because I'm not quite over how much I hated Big and how the Hong Sisters flubbed and because I miss Gaksital... so I'll take any rumblings about it. Ha. Tuning in later for sure.
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crazedlu
October 8, 2012 at 7:01 PM
finally listened in. HAHAHA. loved this. that is all. ^^
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18 oi
October 7, 2012 at 2:14 PM
what a nice picture of Eun Ji and Seo In Guk
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19 Molly~ my heart is burned by the Phoenixes #ningyizhiweiforever
October 7, 2012 at 2:21 PM
Ugh. You two are never gonna loosen your hold on me are you JB and GF? You just keep reeling me in.
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20 MeeisLee
October 7, 2012 at 2:27 PM
YESSSSSSSSS, I've been waiting for you, Mr. Podcast. YAY, weekend after SATs is making up for my horrible friday~
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21 Dorotka
October 7, 2012 at 2:30 PM
Thank you so much!
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Dorotka
October 8, 2012 at 6:07 AM
I actually liked Big. I liked how totally different it was from s.Hongs' previous works. I loved it tonally, I remember how strongly (and sad) I felt for Kyung Joon during the first episodes. None of Hongs' previous works grabbed me so emotionally... and so early in the story...
As I'm saying, I liked that drama... until episode 13 (or so). Then it lost me. I felt like being left in the middle of the story. I also missed more moments with Da Ran's parents and more connection with their story. Plus I couldn't stand Kyung Joon's parents, especially the mother. Don't know whether it was the directing or the acting, but whenever the mother appeared on the screen, I had the urge to FF...
Last thing, Shin Won Ho should have appeared at least at the last scene. I don't take his inexperience as an argument. He was pretty awesome in the first episode and only thanks to him Gong Yoo could shine later on.
From the other shows, I only stayed with Answer Me 1997. I started watching this show, because of GF's recaps. And because I wanted to first see an episode without prior knowledge of what had happened in that episode, I started watching from episode 13... and I was lost :--) The result of this was, that I first saw the last episodes and only after that I started from the beginning (currently only episode 12 is left to be seen). Thus no feeling of a lost pace on my side.^^
Anyway, I think it was important to have scenes from the later years to see how the characters matured (or not) and how they moved on. For me, the scenes with adult Yoon Jae were one of the strongest and I'm glad that they showed how he, from his own will, moved on with his life. I liked all the characters in this show, but Yoon Jae was my most favourite. He and Shiwon's father.
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22 danna
October 7, 2012 at 2:49 PM
You pretty much echoed all my feelings about Lee Min Ho....having loved him in BOF despite hating that drama, I've been very confused as to why he hasn't left much of an impression with any of his other characters....in PT he was very cold, in CH there were flashes awesome and cute and there there other moments where he felt weak....I still think he has that potential but he hasn't brought it out the way I expected him to after BOF.....so now he's only an actor that I like but not one that I love or look forward to working in new projexts
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anastassia
October 7, 2012 at 5:28 PM
Ditto regarding LMH I can't feel his acting yet
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Enz
October 7, 2012 at 7:38 PM
Maybe coz there is a lack of it? Don't hate on me min ho lovers *runs and hides* haven't actually seen any of his dramas exc the first episode of faith and glimpses on you tubes etc.. But he looks very wooden to me
Am gonna check out city hunter next , antidote to the last marathon 49 days :). So hopefully my opinion will change after
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pepperandice
October 9, 2012 at 2:44 AM
hes pretty wonderful in city hunter, its really weird, if you randomly watch his different dramas and was asked to put them in sequence according to seeming actability youd think city hunter was his latest endeavour hes so good and perfect for that role
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pepperandice
October 9, 2012 at 2:45 AM
...and like confusingly bad to the point of nonexistent in faith (forgot to add to last comment)
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23 Bakachild
October 7, 2012 at 3:04 PM
Been waiting for this :D time to listen
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24 ar_arguably romantic
October 7, 2012 at 3:11 PM
Thank you for the entertaining podcast, javabeans and girlfriday! Off to listen to it again!
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25 sebsob
October 7, 2012 at 3:12 PM
Thank you so much. I love how you analyse dramas through their objective merits, the public reaction and then your own personal experience. It helps me to figure out my own feelings too, in a way. I am indebted.
I remember when I first began reading your recaps, and how it would seem that you loved a drama and then the rating would come out as '6!' or something and I would be puzzled over the disconnect but I understand now.
Thank you also for adding J min's song to the playlist. Ever since I saw her performing the song with Jung Mo (Trax) on Inkigayo, I just can't get him out of my head, that song is now linked to a certain feeling between excitement and awe which just feels so good!
Once again, thank you for this wonderful treat!
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