Secret Garden: Episode 13
by javabeans
Some really nice moments in this episode, and some long-awaited movement on Ra-im’s part (finally!), help mitigate some other bits that I hated. Or rather, one bit in particular. (I really wanted not to hate it, but it’s one of those things that you just can’t bring yourself to accept, y’know?)
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EPISODE 13 RECAP
My absolute favorite part of Joo-won staring down at a sleeping Ra-im is how, when she frowns, he frowns too. Despite his emotional stuntedness and his absolutely inappropriate ways of treating people’s feelings, he’s in tune with her feelings and dislikes seeing her experiencing a nightmare. (Too bad he can’t make the mental connection and see that HE’S the cause of some of her waking nightmares, so to speak, with his harassment.)
When she awakens, they stare at each other and have a silent conversation (their thoughts are to themselves, but form a dialogue) which ends with Ra-im mentally telling Joo-won to come by in her dreams again. And then Joo-won utterly ruins the connection by whispering, “Uh, there’s an empty room next door…”
Ra-im grimaces — men! — and shoves her pillow in his face, but both immediately duck down and feign sleep when Jong-soo enters the room. Seeing Joo-won cuddled up to Ra-im, he drags him away, then settles down on the ground to claim the spot next to her.
Not about to be outdone, Joo-won pretends to sleep-wriggle his way back up, wedging himself between the two. He allows himself a gloating smile and snuggles against Ra-im’s back. One point, Joo-won.
In the morning, Ra-im and Jong-soo head out for a hike together, ignoring Joo-won’s pestering questions. He manages to catch up to them on the trail, though he gasps along and asks them to slow down. Instead, Ra-im suggests upping their speed, and Jong-soo happily obliges. One point, Jong-soo.
At the summit, Ra-im declares that winter is her favorite season because the cold forces you to keep walking to keep from freezing to death, warming the body. Well, that’s optimistic in a morbid sort of way.
On their way down, they find Joo-won huddled in the cold, notably opting for the exact opposite of Ra-im’s hypothetical scenario. He sits and waits rather than moving, his body cooling instead of heating.
Grimacing in pain, he makes a big deal about twisting his ankle, and hobbles along with the aid of the other two. They’re particularly annoyed with the way he leans all over Ra-im, using this as an excuse to slip an arm around her and pat her hair.
Finally Jong-soo has enough and declares that it’ll be faster to just carry Joo-won on piggyback… and miraculously, Joo-won declares his ankle healed. Hur.
Disgusted with his cheap trick, Ra-im delivers a swift kick to the shin. Joo-won protests that he really was hurt, clutching his kicked leg while hopping on his good one… then loses his balance and goes toppling down the slope.
Oska calls Seul’s social-climbing friend to ask her about things he should have frankly asked years ago. I suppose he was afraid to face the possibility that he’d been an ass, as he admitted to Ra-im, and now the friend confirms as much. Seul didn’t actually study abroad with that douchebag, as he’d believed, and had even attempted suicide. The friend advises Oska to hear the rest from Seul, since it’s not really her place to divulge all this. Yes, so discreet of her to share everything but one last detail.
Oska grows teary-eyed as she reminds him that Seul doesn’t have a lot of friends because he’d been her everything. She was always there when he needed her, but he was never there for her. The truth, it hurts.
Seul’s employee confesses to accidentally leaking Oska’s plagiarized song, which is doubly bad for Seul because in addition to making her responsible for this professional gaffe, it also means Oska was right when he suspected her.
As Tae-sun watches interestedly, Oska comes barging in and takes her aside to talk. He doesn’t say anything at first, just fixes his attention on peeling a plate of roasted chestnuts. Seul sits there awkwardly, her anger at being wrongly accused fading since the accusation wasn’t so wrong after all. She admits to being responsible for the song leak, but he doesn’t react much, just keeps peeling.
He offers her the chestnuts, having remembered how she liked them, but she shoots him down — he’s mixed her up with someone else. Oops. Frustrated with himself more than anything, he asks why she ever dated a jerk like him in the first place. He promises to think harder about how he hurt her. (Geez, you still don’t know? You declared that she meant nothing to you — to a guy who you thought she was with for a year — and can’t put two and two together? He gets points for effort, not so much for brains.)
Back to the mountain retreat. Joo-won’s business meeting will keep him behind for another day, so the stunt team heads down first. However, Ra-im isn’t with them; she (reluctantly) stays behind to tend to Joo-won, since he was injured when she kicked him.
Given Joo-won’s stunt about the ankle, Ra-im is reasonably suspicious that he’s faking his injured back, too. As he rests up at his own quarters, he wants her to tend to the swelling, then pulls down his pants (pffffffffft!) to show her the bruise. Ra-im whirls around and squeaks out a protest.
He asks what she did with Oska that other night, and she answers that she went to eat pork skins with him. He grimaces at her pointed comment that he ate it “like a man,” unlike some people.
He insists on taking a walk with her, citing physical therapy, and they walk on in silence. I love that they walk in step with each other, like Ra-im did in his fantasies, and he tells her as much — that he’s walked with her before, back when he kept imagining her appearing before him.
Ra-im looks at him as she thinks to herself:
“Ra-im’s narration: There are things that are thought of as fantasies merely because they’re far away. Starry bodies are like that. Just as it is with people who are too beautiful, they readily disappear.“
The line is a quote from a book, and she continues, thoughtfully:
“In the books that I’d read to find out what he’s really like, there was a passage that had long settled in my heart.”
Joo-won faces her with a smile, and tears start to form in her eyes as she thinks:
Ra-im: “It’s now that I realize it — how beautiful a person he is. And therefore, how far away he is from me. He’ll disappear someday, too, like people do when they’re too beautiful.”
(It’s a beautiful scene… but rehashes a sentiment I’m pretty sure has been shown before. It sorta sucks out the impact of this “revelation” when the point being made is an old one. Although it is nice that we finally see Ra-im’s longing, on a level that’s deeper than a purely physical pull.)
Joo-won barges in on Ra-im while she’s trying to get a handle on her thoughts, pouting and making trivial requests (water, change the TV channel) just to stretch out their interaction. When he declares he’s going to sleep in the same room with her, she’s not having it and tricks him into stepping outside, then locks the door. Indignant, he tries to pick open the lock with a paper clip, unsuccessfully.
It’s his turn to do the tricking: He talks as though Jong-soo has returned, which draws Ra-im outside, at which point he pushes his way into the room. Before she can shove him out again, he pushes her into bed, holding her to him, and tells her firmly to go to sleep.
Ra-im puts up a struggle, threatening first and then pleading for him to let her go. He doesn’t loosen his grip, and eventually she settles down and stares up at Joo-won for a long beat.
After a charged moment of looking at each other — do you hear that crackling? It’s the tension — Joo-won holds her even tighter and starts reciting his old familiar refrain, the one he used to ground himself in reality whenever his feelings (or hormones) got away from him. Only this time, his voice breaks and takes on a desperate tinge as he recites, over and over.
The next morning, they head straight to the doctor’s office after Joo-won wraps his business meeting. Having assumed he was faking his pain, Ra-im is surprised to hear the doctor declare that the injury was fairly severe.
Joo-won’s mother calls Dr. Lee (Ji-hyun) to ask about Joo-won’s medication, ignoring Ji-hyun’s comment about patient confidentiality and shrilly demanding to know the truth. Ji-hyun is spared a knock-down drag-out fight about medical ethics because Mom receives word that Joo-won was injured, and that Ra-im had been with him.
Ra-im has another stunt training session with Oska, who drives her home afterward. However, he recognizes the chauffeured car parked nearby, and guesses what’s happening. Warning Ra-im to stay away until he calls, he hurries inside — where Mom waits in disgust with a nervous Ah-young.
He tries to get his aunt to leave, but like she’s going to listen to him. Ra-im appears at the door (argh, does she not listen, ever?), and that gets Mom’s hackles up. Oska defends her, but it doesn’t help that Mom’s just found the box of Joo-won’s boxers — the ones he “returned” to Ra-im — and she dumps the box over Ra-im’s head.
Ra-im tries to explain about a misunderstanding, but there’s no easy way to explain Joo-won’s sparkly underpants, and Mom rails against Ra-im’s parents for bringing her up poorly, and raising her to mooch off a rich man.
It’s that low blow that lands with her, and Ra-im says with tears in her eyes that it’s true Joo-won likes her, and that she has developed feelings for him as well — but no matter, because she won’t date him now, no matter what, because he’s not someone she’d dishonor her parents to be with. Crying in earnest, Ra-im says that her father was an outstanding person, and demands that Mom take those words back.
Not bloody likely. Instead, Mom spits out that she can do a lot worse. Yeah, I believe you, viper lady. Finally, Oksa loses his temper and forces his aunt out. When he comes back to check on Ra-im, she’s sobbing her heart out, crumpled on the ground with Ah-young attempting to comfort her.
Hearing that his mother paid a visit to Ra-im, Joo-won immediately heads to Ra-im’s house, and then the action school, to no avail. He then confronts his mother angrily, asking her to back off Ra-im.
Mom declares that she knows he’s taking pills, which to her is a Big Fucking Deal — because of how it would look to the world, of course. Nice of her to care about her son’s health, isn’t it? If word got out that the LOEL president was hopped up on crazy pills, it would look mighty bad.
Mom says the one bit of wisdom she’s probably ever spouted in her life, in telling Joo-won to go for the relationship if he likes her so much. At his astonishment, she points out that he’s not actually fighting with her over this — he’s fighting with himself.
But if he chooses Ra-im, if he marries her and has children with her, he’ll have to give up everything. Mom may eventually accept the child, but Ra-im will never be allowed one step into their hallowed halls. So if he thinks he can be content with only love to sustain him, by all means, go for it.
Finally! Mom graduates from Mere Plot Device and Angstmaker Extraordinaire™ to voice of (spiteful, malicious) reason.
Joo-won returns to Ra-im’s door, this time knowing she’s inside because he can hear her phone ringing. She refuses to answer the door, and in the morning finds him still outside — he sits in his car, having waited through the night.
Joo-won tries to say something, but he admits he doesn’t know how to go about apologizing. If he’s looking for a break, she’s not about to cut him one — not when this is more proof of his arrogant privilege. Why can’t he do something everyone else knows how to do? She’s forever apologizing, and yet he doesn’t even know how.
Ra-im tells him she has to keep living her life in that space where his mother degraded her and her family — so he ought to leave her to her own pathetic life, and return to his fairy tale. She walks away battling tears.
Meanwhile. LOEL is holding its annual VVIP party that night, which Seul plans to attend as part of her patented Piss Oska Off Revenge Plan.
After spending all day in a broody fit, Joo-won comes roaring up to the action school. Ra-im quickly asks Jung-hwan to say she’s not here, but Joo-won knows it’s an excuse and shouts aloud into the empty gym that she’s a coward for hiding, that he’s hardly even begun, that he won’t give up. That if she’s going to reject him, she ought to at least take his calls to tell him so.
Jong-soo comes up to her and points out that Joo-won has a point, and that hiding is the worst option. She bows her head but doesn’t emerge from hiding, and spends the day hunched in the locker room lost in thought. She reads over the string of texts Joo-won sends her, each worried in tone, asking her to answer.
After sitting like that for hours, she finally makes a decision and heads out, arriving at Joo-won’s compound that evening.
It’s not till she’s outside his house that she realizes there’s a party going on. From outside, she sees Joo-won making the rounds, smiling and greeting his guests, and the scene hammers in her status as an outsider (literally) looking in (again, literally) on the unattainable world inside.
Remembering Joo-won’s reaction to her shabby safety-pinned bag earlier, she glances down at her clothes, so unsuitable for this setting.
She hesitates when Joo-won calls, and finally decides to leave, unseen. However, Oska comes walking up at this moment, interrupting her escape.
He notices that she’s freezing and invites her to his house for a warm drink. He urges her to make her presence known to Joo-won, but she’s feeling self-conscious about her appearance and anxiously declines.
That’s no problem: Oska declares himself her fairy godmother (heh) for the night and calls in a styling team to fix her up.
And so it’s a very different, very glammed-up Ra-im who makes quite an entrance at the party, on Oska’s arm. (Ha Ji-won looks hot, but let’s just say that this moment might have had more dramatic impact had Ra-im and Oska not been wearing the same hairstyle.)
Seul glares — surprised, and also peeved to be upstaged just after declaring her intent to be the queen of every event — while Joo-won looks on in a mix of jealousy and shock.
COMMENTS
Is it me, or is the conflict getting really repetitive? I really liked much of this episode, but when you stop to think of what really went down in the big conflict scenes, it seems like the answer is, not much. The acting really kills the moments, whether it’s Joo-won’s viper of a mother being her poisonous self, or Ra-im being torn down by these hoity-toity folks, or Joo-won fighting with himself. But the actual facts of the matter? They’ve been long established and aren’t really changing. Yeah, class differences separate them. We got it ten episodes ago, thanks.
In that respect, Secret Garden has always felt like a bit of an antique, premise-wise — something out of a prior age that has been dressed in modern clothing, but hasn’t actually updated its themes or motifs accordingly. It’s the classic mistress dilemma — the woman refuses to be a kept woman, but the man refuses to marry her because his wife must be his social “equal.”
I get this conflict if we’re talking about, say, 19th-century British aristocracy, or 16th-century Joseon classism, or old-timey fairy tales. But it’s a stretch here in modern times. Chaebol families are the closest Korea has to a modern aristocracy and the thematic parallels generally work, but not perfectly, which is why these increasingly dramatic classist clashes are starting to wear thin.
Warning: Rant ahead. Regarding the bed scene —
This scene makes me so mad, because I’m so conflicted about it and it’s aggravating that I even feel torn because I know I should just hate it outright, but I realize the chemistry is sizzling and our couple is just so damn electric together. But I can’t enjoy it either, because the moment is just all kinds of wrong.
Yes, he’s hot, and yes, I love Hyun Bin — who wouldn’t want to be aggressively courted by him? But the fact remains that in this situation, a man tricks a woman, forces his way into her room, ignores her repeated protests, shoves her onto a bed, and restrains her body while holding her close. True, he doesn’t attempt any further bodily violations… but really, isn’t that enough? It’s already assault. The fact that he’s a dreamboat doesn’t diminish the ick factor for me.
Perhaps you can argue that Ra-im actually likes him, that her resistance fades, that she’s actually okay with it. But she says no over and over, and struggles, and asks him to get off her. It resembles a lot of the “forced seduction” scenarios of old romance novels, the kind of scenes that romanticized rape (hey, the hero got the heroine to like it, therefore his brute force was justified) — but which are, tellingly, no longer considered acceptable.
This is so close to the whole “She was asking for it” argument that gets thrown around, the lame defense of “It’s not assault because she liked it, honest.” I’m just… really, really torn about this moment because I want to like it, in fact I do sort of see the appeal and that drives me nuts. Because I also hate it. The very fact that Joo-won IS so appealing is not a mitigating factor but in fact an exacerbating one — it blurs the lines so that you want to cut him some slack, and that does everyone a grave disservice.
I’m more irritated with the drama itself than I am with Joo-won the character, because it’s one thing for a flawed character to act in stupid ways. But it’s a whole other thing for a drama to put forth this scenario and then romanticize it as sexy and moving, putting an uncomfortable glossy sheen on a situation that at its core is deeply problematic. Even if I hadn’t personally known friends (yes, plural) who were raped by men who claimed after the fact, “I thought you wanted it,” it would be hugely upsetting. Oh, it’s okay to assault a woman if she likes you back? Okay, then. Swoon.
But still: Urg, drama, you just ruined Joo-won for me! He’d been teetering on the brink for a while, but had finally won me over with the awesome watching-her-sleeping scene in the beginning of the episode. I don’t know if I can go back to rooting for him now — you can’t un-sour milk, can you?
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1 ujsid
December 26, 2010 at 2:32 PM
ah finally was waiting for the recap <3
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ash
December 26, 2010 at 3:14 PM
i loved hyun bin in this episode :)
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Haru
December 26, 2010 at 7:48 PM
Me too ~ but the bed scene brought me to tears... I have issues ok!
Seriously i'm kinda with you on this JB... but the guy could have been anyone else... still the character would be the same. He may be a stuck up ass but I don't think for one second he had any other intentions than to hold her in his arms whilst sleeping. Though mind you he did get horny & started doing his crazy thing.
The thing I had a problem with was... if the writer wanted this scene she could have made it happen without it looking like it was a violation... which it was in my eyes :(
I mean sure she was subdued but ... that's what happens when you are powerless.
I will always love Binnie ... but unless (god knows how it will be achieved) Joo Won redeems himself in the next episode, i'll be rooting for Jong-Soo ._. He may be Noah's Snail but i'm damn sure he wouldn't violate Ra Im :(
Happy Holidays Dramabeans & I'll be waiting eagerly to read GF recap since i can't watch the episode until I do :)
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MAVY
December 27, 2010 at 9:18 AM
See, I sort of disagree. Normally I'm the type of person that believes this type of thing is insulting, but the argument of how much Ra Im really is just struggling just to keep her;
"I don't like you" façade, is in regards to this scenario and plot, true. Ra Im is in all capacity to defend her self kick Joo Woon ass, if she really meant it, How? Why? She is a freaking stunt woman she get paid to kick ass.
And there is also a repetitive action throughout the drama that has been Ra Im's signature when she really want Joo Woon to stop, the same action that landed her the role of his care taker in this fine occasiona, she kicks him!
Ultimately the scene does not feel inappropriate beacause of the context the drama has build. It works in their interaction.
And by all means please do not believe I condone this type of aggressive courting, If it was up to me I would smack all those girls that dreams of a Twilight like romance. Which is down right wrong, from the mutual stalking, obsessive behavior and suicidal tendencies.
Beside, considering other scenes in other dramas this looks and feels normal, cute even funny. I was actually particularly offended by the kiss scene at Joo Woon's house where is actually violent and forceful with Ra Im.
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njeri13
December 27, 2010 at 11:41 AM
i sooooooooo agree, though i once wanted an edward like guy, but not anymore.
Nikki
December 29, 2010 at 10:48 PM
I just watched the bed-scene moments ago and I felt
1st- Uncomfortable, 2nd-Sympathetic, and 3rd-Envious.
Uncomfortable because Joowon is just WRONG. Sympathetic because he is crazy and has no idea how to get close to Ra Im in normal way. And Envious, because um...I wanna a hug like that MINUS the deception and use of force. Why did the writers have to do this scene??? It's a stain on the show. I just really hope Joowon apologizes for this one day.
dreambleedkiss
January 5, 2011 at 12:29 AM
i'm not disagreeing with your opinion at all but (and i may be over thinking this a little) but doesn't this remind you a bit of all those obsessed drama heroines who do successively less acceptable things to force themselves into the guy they like life?
i suppose i should quote some examples but it 2ish am and i don't wanna. :) any way it almost seems like commentary on the idea that what's good for the gander etc. etc.
force is force whether it be physical or societal (can't hurt a girl) I don't think i've quite developed this idea completely but thought it was an interesting thought to toss out there
Lisa
August 14, 2011 at 3:23 PM
I agree. The kiss was much more forceful. However, Ra Im is well equipped at any of these times to verbally and physically say "no". She can walk away, like she ended up doing with the kiss. She can refuse to hear him out. She can tell her Sunbae that she's not interested and to stop inviting him. She can tell the director the same. She can REALLY hurt him. She can get a restraining order. So many things that she can and probably would've done with anyone else.
Because the character isn't incapable and HAS gotten out of many such situations with him before, I find it unlikely that suddenly she is unable to do so now.
deee
June 13, 2014 at 2:13 PM
Seriously will stop watching after this! It felt like rape that pushing into the room and sleeping scene. Actually that male lead character is looking like a stalker from the beginning, Just imagine a less good looking guy in his place and then the reality will strike. Force a girl to be his mistress for a short while - What? Love? that? NO effing WAY!
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2 barefeet
December 26, 2010 at 2:33 PM
Yay....i been waiting for this! This is a gud eps,
thank u**
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3 Deeliteful
December 26, 2010 at 2:34 PM
yay! been refreshing all day!!!! off to read....
Thanks JB!
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4
December 26, 2010 at 2:35 PM
Oh,the bed scene......I'm dying here...Hyun bin ,hyun bin.hyun bin. I must be losing my mind~~
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5 nunny
December 26, 2010 at 2:36 PM
Thanks thanks thanks!...love you jb...
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6 A
December 26, 2010 at 2:43 PM
thanks so much!
been refreshing the db homepage for hours keke
need my daily dose of sg
now if only subbed eps would come out..
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7 Aqua
December 26, 2010 at 2:46 PM
Oooh... I'm first to comment... I think...
Okay, that doesn't matter, but when I looked at the picture of Ra Im dressed up, i thought she was totally some stranger, but then i realized not!! She looked so different, I was amazed.
I just wish that Joo Woon would stop saying the things about disappearing like bubbles, it makes me soo pissed!!!
Can't wait till the next episode! THanks for the update!!!
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December 26, 2010 at 2:46 PM
Srry, when i was reading, there were no comments.. lol ...
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Aqua
December 26, 2010 at 2:48 PM
Srry... when i was reading there were no comments... lol...
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8 BlackJack
December 26, 2010 at 2:47 PM
Thanks for the recap! I'm so glad there has been more progress in terms of each other's feeling (Ra-Im's especially) in this episode!! Up until now I still heart this serie but I do agree with you with the bed scene! It's never appropriate to force anyone when they are saying no!
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9 Biscuit
December 26, 2010 at 2:48 PM
Thanks for the recap!
I actually just finished watching this episode an hour ago.
So far, Joo-won never fails to be adorable. And annoying. But still cute. And annoying. Or annoyingly cute.
It did seem like there's progress in Ra-im's feelings towards JW (it's funny how we can say "progress" since it's not like she HAS to like him back, but then again, she has no choice - rules of K-dramas, honey. You either like the lead or you like the lead.), but I'm still not sure where this drama is going... exactly.
Let's just say I've now forgotten the main plot of this drama (body-swapping), as it's now gone full out on being a melodrama. But hey, it's all good anyways.
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Biscuit
December 26, 2010 at 2:53 PM
On second-thought, now that you've mentioned it, the bed scene probably was a bit overly forceful.
But I'm sure there's hope for JW to redeem himself, JB. I mean, even trash can recycled to something better. Maybe Joo-won will go through a more concerning type and will be transformed into a better man in the very last minute of this show.
I'm betting he'll remain cocky, but I'm also hoping he'll think more about Ra-im in later episodes.
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Khloe
December 26, 2010 at 3:29 PM
thank you thank you thank you. i've been waiting on this for a while.
jb, i see your concern and you are right. it is very disturbing. you are so smart to see how wrong that whole situation was. here's to hoping that biscuit is right and things will somehow right themselves.
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maria
December 26, 2010 at 10:37 PM
erm.... devil's advocate here, leme just throw this into the mix.
wht if the drama INTENDED to make it seem like the bad thing that it is? i mean, as a moral issue, it kind of screws with your head, i admit. but as a plot device? it's kind of consistent with the characterization, the theme and the progress of the pacing.
maybe that's why the progress seems so slow for you. because i DO NOT think that the point was to show too much plot, as much as it wanted to show the constant addition of range to the characterizations.
i mean, this is the joo won who threw clothes and shoes at her feet at the start of it all, remember? he doesn't even GET that it's wrong, it's so damn single-minded. their methods are consistent with how they've been brought up, but it's all layered by the breaking though of earnest emotions and sincerity that keeps trying to climb its way to the top. and let's face it, they've come a long way from where they started.
ra-im has always been that apologetic girl with a brash underneath, and joo won's always been that haughty, self-centered, egomaniacal single-minded pig. who would they be if he didn;t try to trick his way in, and she didn't try to beat him up for it first? .,....but i believe they love each other. SO-- their charcaters only take them so far, and then the earnestnestness of the truth gets through, and what we have then is that quiet moment. where it's just peaceful, and full of longing, and they are just able to revel in the FACT that THEY BOTH WANT TO BE... just THERE.
my 2 cents.
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mardie
December 26, 2010 at 11:39 PM
agree. JW's character is just that. he doesnt have the common sense of the common people do, hence, the psychiatrist. and just because he's the lead, doesnt mean he has to be right, or wrong, and we dont have to take it as a good or romantic act.
but i wont deny that in real life, the situation is disturbing.
just my opinion. doesnt have to be right. =)
sansukini
December 27, 2010 at 2:42 AM
I agree. The plot has been consistent with the characters. I know it seemed like he's assaulting her on the bed but she's a stuntwoman, she could do some serious damage to him if she wants, but her protests are halfhearted. I'm not saying that "no" means "yes", but I think that on some level, she do trust him, otherwise, why would she stay there with him alone. He has been constantly forcing himself on her since day 1 so she should know him by now. I'm not saying he's right in doing that, because nothing can justify violence against women, but I don't think he was violent with her. I've seen a lot of instances where the man forced the woman to bed and assaulted her, but I think, in this instance, it's just a by play of the characters, I don't think it's essential to the plot, but it did show us how pure JW's intent is to RI in his own weird, sometimes perverted way.
And I also felt like the story has been winding in circles these past few episodes and I'm glad we finally progressed to the relationship stage. No more subterfuge and no more denial. Thank God. Now it's time to battle the Evil Mommy. I still love this drama even if it was a bit slow the past few weeks.
Freedom
December 27, 2010 at 5:53 AM
Totally agreed... I didn't see any 'violence' there at all. He just wanted to hold her tight and yes, it did happen ON A BED but to me, it's almost no difference than the often wrist-grabbing and then quite forcefully pulling the female in for a long HOT kiss. That's what passion could do to you, in its k-drama way.
People, please don't throw those 'what kind of message does this send' craps! Now, that's 16th century hypocratical aristocracy if you said that! If you care that much about how a drama delivers messages, I suggest you NOT to watch them anymore as there ain't any. It's just a freaking drama. Can you just relax and enjoy?
Alexis
December 27, 2010 at 7:26 AM
I agree too.. Sick as it may seem, I actually liked the part where he was desperately trying to control his "urges" cos he din wanna "violate" Ra-Im. I think it kinda implied that he saw her as someone pure and worthy to be cherished and loved instead of someone whom he can just have fun with and cast aside. I felt that he cannot resist his urge to be close to her and thus, wanna hug her to sleep.
Like JB, I also liked the parts where he frowned when she was frowning in her sleep and when they walked in step while taking the stroll. In a way, how often do you find a guy who's able to sincerely and truly do that??
anais
December 26, 2010 at 11:50 PM
The bed scene had me soooo pissed off at the show. It totally sent the egregious message that a dude forcing himself on a woman okay because in the end she loves him.
I don't care that this is in keeping with Joo-won's character. As if he'd ever treat a chaebol daughter so. What kind of message does this send? A woman who's not a chaebol heiress is game for the taking? And tough girls aren't really tough girls after all?
It's the 21st frigging century!! Let's let of the notion that she really means yes when she says no.
Arrrrrghghghghgh!!! My jaws went slack when the Show had Ra-im, a woman whose job it is to kick men's arses, unable to figure out that freedom was hers to be had by kneeing a certain part of the male body.
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maria
December 27, 2010 at 12:11 AM
i don't think ra-im ever forgot about her *freedom*, i just think she's confused as to which freedom she should exercise. the focus of the scene wasn't the freedom to be FREE of him/her, it was the freedom to be WITH him.
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anais
December 27, 2010 at 5:52 AM
I'm not saying you aren't right in your reading of the scene. What I am saying is that that's what's troubling. Look at your own choice of words: she's "confused." And that the freedom to be with him is forced upon her? She doesn't get to choose to realize it on her own terms? That's the really troubling aspect of the show, that this troubling dynamic is intentionally served up and grounded in the characterizations themselves. E.g., the heroine who's tough on the outside but who's as girly as can be on the inside, shyly toe tapping to boot.
All I can say is that it's no freedom to have one's boundaries be violated so reliably. The only freedom that exists under those circumstances is resignation for purposes of self-preservation.
maria
December 27, 2010 at 10:14 AM
oh gosh, you misunderstood me. i understand the troubling nature of the scene, i just meant by "confused", that she WANTS to be with him, but is confused within herself whether she has a right to or not. he's certainly making her feel that she does. but everything else she's grown to know tells her otherwise.
we're dialoguing about scene description now, not the rape issue, right? i agree on all counts, i just think because the issue is so large, it eclipsed the scene's point: showing us that the confusion has been heretofore vaporized--- they wanna be with each other, and are scared of how overwhelmingly right that feels, because it goes against all the norms of how they both know they world as. scary stuff indeed. :)
10 momosan
December 26, 2010 at 2:49 PM
Yeah, glad to know I wasn't the only adult out here muttering "no means no." Sleep outside her door or whatever, but "no means no."
Other than that, can I just repeat _again_ how much I adore Oska.
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11 lola
December 26, 2010 at 2:49 PM
i agree with the bed scene rant. I found myself cringing but not knowing why since i could see in the realm of the drama it was supposed to be cute or romantic cuz I knew in real life, even if i was in LOVE with the guy, that would make me run for the hills. Sorry, but no such thing as a sexy almost-rapist
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RoxiahS2
December 26, 2010 at 3:00 PM
I agree the bed scene was inappropriately done on JW's part, but saying it's almost rapist is really harsh, that's really reaching it. Plus the scene wasn't meant to be sexy or touching anyway. Just him and one of his stupid actions that was executed the wrong way because he's well, stupid, but given his character, we should know he didn't mean it in THAT way like everybody is making it out to be.
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anais
December 27, 2010 at 6:02 AM
I don't think anyone here said it's rape. But rape isn't the only way to violate someone physically or sexually.
What people have found troubling about the bed scene is that the mentality that underlay that behavior also anchors rape. It's a slippery slope that happens all the time. For example, that mentality is often at the root of date rapes and ongoing rape between long-term couples.
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Ch_nkey...^^
December 26, 2010 at 4:01 PM
Okay just chill, it's just a simple show he wouldn't do that in real life :) honestly if u felt uncomfortable take it up with the directors cuz they mean no harm
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DRAMAADDICT4ever
December 26, 2010 at 4:33 PM
I agree with you,everyone should chill,I think they are taking the bed scene way too serious!!!! he clearly did not meant to do any harm.
I did't see this type of response on the force kiss which to me was more disturbing than this scene.
I honestly thought everyone was going to be discusing the drama as whole but most are focusing on a single scene, which makes me sad.
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Ch_nkey...^^
December 26, 2010 at 5:43 PM
At least two people have some common sense cuz this is just a show lol
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gi
December 26, 2010 at 7:18 PM
I think everyone knows it's just a show, but the problem is that the character Joo-won would do that. We're supposed to like these characters and the fact that he did that is kinda...ugh. I agree with Roxiah though, knowing joo won's character, he didn't mean it in THAT way. He was just being his stupid self.
Ugh
December 26, 2010 at 7:11 PM
I am in TOTAL agreement. As for the bed scene, it is being blown WAY OUT of proportion. It's not like he was tearing off her clothes. He was HUGGING HER!!
I found the forced kiss WAY more offensive. Look at her facial expressions after each (the kiss and the bed hug) and you can tell which is more offensive to the character. She was neither screaming nor shouting, nor did she run from him or try to get off the bed after he was just hugging her. She could have, but she didn't.
When he kissed her she had the look of his act being vile, offensive and disgusting. You could tell she wanted to beat him, or at least slap him.
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tamtam
December 26, 2010 at 7:40 PM
Yes, why is this so different from the force kiss? Yes, she said no, but she clearly didn't want him to kiss her either, or at least didn't ask for one or even have the option to say no.
I agree it's disconcerting to see that situation romanticized, if only it's reinforcing the idea that women should be conquered by force or that the end justifies the means. But in this context, I think it's well within his character to do so. JW IS forcing his way into Ra-Im's life, but we the audience know that it's needed because Ra-Im's pride and stubbornness would've never allow her to continue to associate herself with this character unless forced to otherwise.
Had JW acted out of character in order to make that scene happen, then yes, that scene could be romanticized a bad real-life situation. But it's within the same tone of JW's character and how he's been "courting" Ra-Im all this time, and the only way he knows how to get what he wants, by force. I think if this particular scene "tainted" JW, then we should've dismissed him a long time ago since he's basically ignored her protests since they've met.
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maria
December 26, 2010 at 11:09 PM
god, exactly! the WAY he did it is totally in step with how he's been an ASS all along, and that part wasn't what romanticized it for me, because that was asshattery, and i admit that.
but what the scene did to make it different from that forced kiss was to SHOW that joo won and ra-im's character only really get them so far, because with enough earnestness and sincerity, the truth eventually breaks through. they've BEEN falling in love all this time. and NOW, while i think Joo Won hasn't found out yet that there are lines you don't cross, but i truly believe that if Ra-Im hadn't stopped kicking him and begging him to stop, HE WOULD HAVE. and he would've whined about it. but now, it's ultimately about ra-im TOO. i think he's finding that it's not enjoyable either unless Ra-im also wants to be there with him. but he's so desperate to be loved by her and to love her that it's screwing with his program. get the girl through any means, or love her properly?
step 1: go with gut. force yourself on her
unwittingly go to step 2: figure out you love her more than you thought you could.
step 3: stare and girl and feel stone cold heart thawing.
step4: share some tenderness
step5: freak out at how overwhelmed you're feeling
step 6: recite Kim Su-ro.
much like the silent conversation when they were staring at each other, this is them barging into a given situation, guns-a-blazin, and eventually figuring out that they don't need to be who they WERE with each other-- they can just feel what they feel, think what they're thinking, be who they are. and who they ARE? is two people in love.
that little beat at the end where she stares at him, and he hugs her even tighter..? i heard it. she was repeating her sentiments about him being a star so beautiful, she's scared to love him coz she's waiting for him to disappear. he sees her (he SEES her) and he holds her tighter, coz he's saying, "i get that. but we'll fight it." and he holds her tighter, like a protector,, like someone who's trying to tell you, "i'm not going anywhere."
god, i could go on and on and on...
MC
December 26, 2010 at 11:29 PM
Tamtam,
I disagree that force is needed by JW to get Ra-im to further their relationship. In fact he must utterly reject that belief and understand that force undermines their relationship even if he seems to get what he wants in the short term. JW's unwanted actions (from Ra-im's POV) indicate his failure to understand that her stubborn refusals are not the core problems blocking his way. The core problems are his own beliefs and attitudes which are particularly reinforced by his mother.
JW must change what he knows about getting what he wants from other people. The benefit isn't just in getting a great relationship with Ra-im, it is in getting healthier non-romantic relationships such as with Oska.
JW's unwanted actions fit his original character because disregard for many other people was something he was taught as his right and which he didn't question before Ra-im. Thankfully, his character is in the process of changing.
tamtam
December 26, 2010 at 11:56 PM
MC,
I think you misunderstood me. I meant in order for them to even interact with each other and because of the nature of his character, JW has to force Ra-Im to pay attention to him. Otherwise, Ra-Im would go on her separate way since she immediately finds JW pompous and annoying, and she wanted nothing to do with him.
I agree completely that JW needs to change to further their relationship and that he is changing. Yes, character development is an essential ingredient in any story.
jojo
December 26, 2010 at 9:25 PM
ok i totally agree with you!! i think it is crazy how people have been taking this scene!! i dont know i think since its the 13th ep they know each other really well, THEY EVEN SWAPPED BODIES!!! and saw each other naked (practically)! i didnt see it as a forced rape attempt he wasnt ripping her clothes off he generally wanted to snuggle (which i thought was adorable)!! i actually loved that scene hahaha he also knows she totally has feelings for him he has said that before. so ya i think people need to remember this is a drama and to not take everything so seriously!
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caddie
December 28, 2010 at 10:23 PM
so agree w/ you. i didnt think much about it and i thought it was a rlly adorable snuggling scene. i think every1 is over-analyzing this. it wasnt rape and he wasnt going to anyway; all he wanted to do was hug her and we all know he's not the brightest person in the world
so. final verdict: i thought it was kinda cute... =D
anais
December 27, 2010 at 12:01 AM
For those who think that the negative reactions to the bed scene are overblown, especially in response to those who offer the fact that the two characters have even been in the other's body, I just want to remind you that even amongst married couples, there is such a thing as unwanted sexual advances and rape.
My problem with the scene is not with either character. It's with the entire scene and the show's decision to depict such a dynamic between the two characters.
I know I shouldn't be dismayed to read comments to the effect that "this is just a show," but I am. I find such comments to be part and parcel of this whole troubling dynamic.
As for the directors intending no harm, of course they mean no harm. That's precisely the problem. That they don't even realize how harmful what they've depicted is.
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hydesamagirl
December 27, 2010 at 6:48 AM
I'd have to say I agree with anals. We're not saying it was a rape attempt. It wasn't. But, it still depicts a man using deceitful and forceful means on a woman. And it conveys the message that it is okay exactly because it is a drama. Producers and directors know that they convey stories and messages, not real life.
I would be okay with this scene's place in the drama as a whole if the character Joowon has a complete transformation in how he deals with people, and there is some kind of realization that they way he presently treated people is unacceptable. Some form of forgiveness sought would probably ask to much of the show, but that would be awesome as well.
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samgetang
December 27, 2010 at 7:59 PM
Agree with you, Anais. See my other comments on page 2 as well.
On second thoughts, the other thing that bugs me in this scene is that this puts their relationship backward instead of forward.
We wanted to see development, maturity, growth in the individuals and their relationship and for the main male lead, even if he was initially depicted as an a-hole, to use force on the female lead, even without any intention at all towards rape or sexual abuse, is I think several notches step backwards to immaturity and any sense of freedom or true love.
For Ra Im to develop a more solid healthy attraction to this character Joo Won AFTER this display of man-handling throws some doubt as well to the growth and maturity of her character.
If they do end up together, which they are sure to do unless this kdrama veers away from the popular, we can see these two characters most possibly resolving their future conflicts in the same juvenile manner.
And that is a waste of potential...I was hoping that these two characters, flawed as they are, can overcome their own dark pasts, limitations and differences and create a bigger future together.
Alas! The writers maybe just be here for the thrills... ;-( we we're all hoping for greatness :-)
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12 Lady Seoul
December 26, 2010 at 2:52 PM
Lol, you can't un-sour milk can you <3
I totally agree, the last few episodes made me a bit lazy to continue watching SG. But I'm now hyped up because of the pretty scenes I was spoiled on episode 14.
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Nahan
December 26, 2010 at 3:51 PM
You can make yogurt with spoiled milk...just saying
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sukideo
December 26, 2010 at 4:01 PM
LMAO!!! <3
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jo
December 26, 2010 at 6:19 PM
WIN.
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maria
December 26, 2010 at 11:13 PM
i love you!
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goldenflower
December 26, 2010 at 11:37 PM
You win, I love yogurt~!
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Kelela
December 27, 2010 at 12:54 AM
Yogurt is delicious. ;) Win.
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fatraspberry
December 27, 2010 at 1:27 AM
WIN. love you!
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Ojou_Belle
December 27, 2010 at 5:28 AM
Agree!
I like yogurt!
I would also like everybody to know that I sometimes like my man to be forceful and in charge....
what do you know!?
I'm not so modern after all and I fit the damsel in distress stereotype! Hahahahah!
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13 Msclockwatcher
December 26, 2010 at 2:55 PM
lol, welcome to the club. I've disliked all their kisses, particularly the one at his house. Now I hear there something about a forced hug that others are getting disgusted by?
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Baile
December 26, 2010 at 3:18 PM
ahh next episode should help you then
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14 yuvee
December 26, 2010 at 3:00 PM
Yay! Been waiting for this all day! Can't wait to see you recap the next episode!
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15 marbleloaf
December 26, 2010 at 3:02 PM
I really love oska! he's a great juxtaposition to joowon. yes, he's immature in his own rite but he's a gentleman...and i respect that. i love hyun bin and all but yoon sang hyun (?) is really starting to grow on me!
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rayray
December 26, 2010 at 4:07 PM
haha I want an Oska Fairy god-Fashonista-mother!
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marbleloaf
December 26, 2010 at 7:30 PM
i second you!! he's got some darned good fashion sense. hahaha, except when it comes to his own hair. waiting for the episode where his hair becomes normal.
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loveisouchO.O
December 27, 2010 at 7:46 PM
LOL. that reminds me of mgiag now....
if miho were here, she'd tell oska "neo ....fashionistaya!" xD
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We Yumi
December 27, 2010 at 12:04 AM
Oska is a gentleman?
I'm not sure I buy that.
We have only seen him interact with three women.
One he loves Seul,
one he likes and respect- RaIm and
one he sleeps with, has nor respect for and discard like a used tissue and expect Joowon to clean up after him With Chae Rim.
And the series indicates the third interaction is typical of Oska. He has the kiss-of down pat, after sleeping with a woman she send her on her way.
His mother has so much experience getting rid of girls, she is an Olympic level champion in the sport. And there is a sense this all takes place with Oska's tacit approval.
Oska' mom no longer meet with his problem girl, she gets rid of them through the intercom.
It is clear that Joowon isn't as slutty as Oska.
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LALAL
December 27, 2010 at 1:24 PM
i'm kind of puzzled as to how Oska's mom doesn't know Seul but she's gotten rid of so many woman... wouldn't you figure that she knows about her? but she had no recognition of her at the sauna or at the dinner...
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16 V
December 26, 2010 at 3:03 PM
I'm forever lurking here and constantly stalking DB (gotta get my k-drama fix, yo!), but I almost never, ever comment here. (Sheer laziness might be a factor.) But, your spiel about the bed scene finally got me.
Caveat: I haven't watched this drama except for a few clips here and there, although I admit to avidly following your recaps and getting my spoiler fixes elsewhere. That means I also haven't seen the bed scene. However, I really, really, really (x 1000000) appreciate your insight into said scene, because I think it really speaks to a troubling phenomenon that is the romanticized rape scene and its variants. I don't really have anything constructive to add to what you've already beautifully and eloquently written, but I wanted to say I truly appreciate your differential input on a scene that I've seen 99.99% of other fangirls swooning deliriously over.
It reminds me of that infamous scene in Gone with the Wind wherein a drunk Rhett literally sweeps Scarlett off her feet and to her bedroom, where he violates her. Yeah, Scarlett is shown in the morning as having liked the experience, and one could argue that the event finally allowed them to connect when in almost all of their other interactions, they're grinding hopelessly past each other. But when all is said and done, rape is always, always wrong, and your conflicting feelings here mirror my own regarding GWTW. So thank you again.
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maria
December 26, 2010 at 11:28 PM
i agree with your point, only i think it doesn't apply to this said scene, because there is a progression of events and a point being made with it, so there's a caveat in how this particular points applies. :) you should watch all of it, it's been pretty good so far! (note: some effort to restrain your douchebag reflex may be required though. some of joo won's asshattery can get pretty ugly..... but it's all rolling towards a point, don't worry) :P
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maria
December 26, 2010 at 11:31 PM
*doucheGAG reflex. hehehehe :D
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17 Dafné
December 26, 2010 at 3:05 PM
Thank you for the amazing recap!
And I totally get your point of view for the bed scene, I think we don't talk enought of marital rape, or rape by boyfriend, but thing is the line is kind of dificult to make, as between persistent and being a sexual asaulter..
Also couldn't we say the same from the start? I mean at first Ra-im didn't even like him, and he was VERY persistent, isn't that almost being a stalker? We accepted it because Joo-Won is a litle bit nut, but still... ^^' Ra-Im accepted it at first because I think she was flattered by his interest in her, but latter it seemed like stalker attitude...
He is imposing on her, I have to say that before you pointed it out, I didn't realize this side of the picture, (mostly I think because we know that Ra-im is rejecting him as she doesn't want to be hurt and because Hyun bin is HOT ^^).
Well, the overall message of this drama makes me like it less...
Anyway thank you very much for your recap!
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18 stars4u
December 26, 2010 at 3:06 PM
This drama manages to make me love it despite JW's character! Yes, he's so annoying sometimes that he becomes absurd but he always manages to redeem himself...
The scene where JW was watching RI sleep ang their dialogue would be my favorite...
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19 DRAMAADDICT4ever
December 26, 2010 at 3:10 PM
To be honest this was the best episode ever!!I like every single scene,including the bed scene, maybe it is just me being a little unrealistic but I see it as him being desperate trying to be with the girl he loves, besides hugging her tightly he did not take advantage of her weak moment when they were staring at each other,instead he controled himself and we could see he was suffering doing it.Call me a pervert but I am soo loving the heated moments that both of them are having. For example I actually giggle when he said"“Uh, there’s an empty room next door…”,because that is actually a mens mentality so it sounded realistic(hehe if it was me I would go for it,sorry but who would resist such a hotie LOL.)
I personally belive JW loves Raim whole heartly and he does anything and I mean ANYTHING to have her atention and to be with her,just look at his expression at the begining of the episode whe he succeeds and snuggles against Ra-im’s back, he looked like a happy puppy next to its owner. I am soo loving him!!!!!
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DRAMAADDICT4ever
December 26, 2010 at 3:19 PM
I forgot to mention, I am the type of person that hate those types of dramas when they want me to believe you can fall in love with your rapist or the guy that physically and mentally tortures you. so I dont know why I find JW so adorable when he clearly does not know the meaning of NO but I guess the writer made him likeable enough for me to see this types of scenes loveable LOL
Drama you have completely make me a lunatic!!!!
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missy
December 26, 2010 at 4:02 PM
I think a lot of stalker or guys who love their subject of affection loves them wholeheartedly too or so they think. Does it make it ok to stalk and force yourself on another person?
I think the scene was important that it created a great stride for Ra-im to move forward in their relationship but the act itself doesn't really sit well in real life. Romanticizing something that is not right gives out the wrong message.
That said, thanks JB for recapping.
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20
December 26, 2010 at 3:12 PM
Guess the only reason I wasn't *completely* repulsed by the bed scene (although I agree with someone who commented on a forum that it was unsettling to watch without music...) was because he didn't go any further. He just wanted to lay down with her, and went to the extent of chanting that rhyme to keep himself from going any further. I guess there a part of me that believes even he knows how wrong it would have been for him to even kiss her after puling this stunt... I'm choosing to believe it was more about his childish way of going about trying to get what he wants than a thought out plan to force himself on her.
Or maybe I'm just wrong and letting the fact this is Hyun Bin cloud my judgment... which it could well be :P
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21 Baile
December 26, 2010 at 3:15 PM
Cheer Up Java!
No, you cant un-sour milk but you can make really great sour milk chocolate cake from it( sorry I am a raw milk drinker lol)
I think that they redeem JW in the next episode..He still isnt totally there but they make (all 4 main) great strides in the next one!!!
on the otherside as woman who has been assaulted .. it made me very..uneasy.. but not more that that damn JW dominated kiss from earlier....
I have learn in my post-assault dating that unfortunatley many men don't understand appropriate touch and scenes like this don't help... they most definately could have made it differently...
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22 deeko
December 26, 2010 at 3:17 PM
The bed scene is metaphoric for me. He's forced his way into her heart time and time again until she notices him. First showing up at her action school repeatedly, at her house, calling her, nudging her about his status in her life. The bed scene is just another aspect of him forcing his way to her heart.
I wouldn't go far enough to relate it to rape or forced sexual whatever though. But then again, I wouldn't know.
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23 Lucille
December 26, 2010 at 3:18 PM
Thank you for the recap. He reminds me of jun Pyo in BBF. You have two emotionally stunted men, trying to attract a girl, and making a mess of it.
I hope I'm not an enemy to women everywhere because I didn't view the bed scene as an attack. I didn't think it was sexy either, but I just sorta saw it as the natural progress of their relationship. From the first episode to now, they have had a violent (physical) relationship. With him pulling her around like a rag doll, pushing her into dressing rooms and with her kicking him, slapping him, and flipping him. They both have done a lot of damage to each other. Their emotions are so explosive, just 5 steps away from being violent. They would call it passionate.
I agree with Lola @ 11, that type of relationship would not work for me, but I have seen it in real life. I'm sure we all have.
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24 Birdie
December 26, 2010 at 3:19 PM
Since the body swap which did not lead to better understanding, this drama had lost its lustre . The themes are repetitive, there is not much progress in the plot and not much character development. JW character is egocentric and a big bully,and to think that the female lead will fall for it go against my woman lib. belief.
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December 26, 2010 at 5:44 PM
I have a quick suggestion ,when I start disliking a drama I just stop watching it,I think you should do the same since it is clearly not of your taste.
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mardie
December 26, 2010 at 11:48 PM
agree.
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Mars
December 27, 2010 at 10:58 AM
I have a suggestion for you guys: goggle Moff's Law.What then? Read it. Live it.
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Mars
December 27, 2010 at 10:58 AM
I have a suggestion for you guys: goggle Moff's Law. What then? Read it. Live it.
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25 hiro
December 26, 2010 at 3:20 PM
Thanks JB for the recap!
Now I'm afraid of what GF will say in the next ep recap. LOL.
But it always a delight to see other point of views.
Will wait patiently for GF review. :)
Thanks again JB!
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