Bad Guy: Episode 14
by girlfriday
Episode 14: wherein girlfriday drowns. Seriously. Watch out for the plot holes. I’m sinking in them.
EPISODE 14 RECAP
Gun-wook finds Secretary Kim waiting outside his door, and Gun-wook says he knows who’s been visiting his parents’ grave. At the same time, Madam Shin meets with her housekeeper, to ask her about her hunch that Tae-sung 1.0 and Gun-wook are one and the same. She recounts her caramel theory, and Madam Shin flips her lid.
Gun-wook has brought Secretary Kim over to his sunbae’s apartment, and the two don’t beat about the bush concerning his identity. My question is, if Secretary Kim’s two pieces of information identified Gun-wook as Gun-wook, how’d he get to Tae-sung Number 1? Gun-wook asks why he took care of his parents’ grave all these years, and he responds that they died an unfair death, and there was no one else to do it. Gun-wook stirs at those words. Secretary Kim asks cryptically, “Don’t you want to know…how they died?”
Well, that’ll surely send him over the edge.
Gun-wook has to ask again whether he’s implying that it wasn’t an accident, and then wonders if President Hong is behind it. Secretary Kim assures him that the President knows nothing; it was Madam Shin who pulled the strings.
Is anyone surprised?
He says that Madam Shin couldn’t accept an illegitimate child and did everything in her power to get rid of said child. Gun-wook seems shocked at this news. Really? For a supposed mastermind, you really missed the big clues. Couldn’t you see the giant neon sign above her head that reads: Evil Hagwitch?
Secretary Kim fills us in on the whys and wherefores: Madam Shin didn’t want to raise her husband’s bastard child from another woman, so she thought that raising a FAKE Tae-sung would somehow be better. Er, what now? So she had Gun-wook brought in and pretended he was Tae-sung, only to have the real Tae-sung found later, which is when Gun-wook got kicked out.
That…is just….Stupid. So rather than raise Tae-sung, which she ended up having to do anyway, she brought in a random kid? What purpose does that serve other than to annoy me? That doesn’t even closely resemble logic.
Secretary Kim tells him that Madam Shin had to get rid of any evidence concerning Gun-wook, and so arranged to have his parents killed in a car accident. He adds that they weren’t his biological parents either. This changes the timeline of the entire backstory, no? Because if they died on the same night that Gun-wook got kicked out, what would necessitate that, if Madam Shin no longer needed Gun-wook to be the fake Tae-sung? And even if she had it occur that night to keep them from reuniting with their son, why on earth would they have to DIE in order to keep her motives a secret? Who would reach that crazy conclusion anyway?
I really should have known this was going to happen…the plot holes are starting to melt my brain.
Gun-wook thinks so too, as he breaks down at the knowledge that he lost his entire family and his childhood over the illogical choices of a rich madwoman. Secretary Kim announces that as the extent of his knowledge on the matter and leaves. Gun-wook runs screaming, and collapses in a fury of tears and anguish.
He returns home to find Jae-in sitting in his super-secret plotting room. She discovered it by “accident” in his absence, and she asks, even now with hope in her voice, for him to tell her this isn’t what she thinks it is. Gun-wook, now more than ever not in the mood to entertain her hopes, says it’s just what she thinks.
He grabs her for a tour of the Big Board, where he very creepily goes down the list: Mo-nae has a broken engagement, Tae-ra is due for a divorce, and Tae-gyun (eldest son) was here, but now he’s…not. Gun-wook’s smile here is totally sadistic and creepy, and it effectively wigs out me and Jae-in both.
Jae-in asks why he’s talking like this, like he’s got a vendetta against Haeshin. Not so quick on the uptake, are you? Gun-wook asks if he’s supposed to be nice to them, like she is. Gun-wook: “Are you already playing the role of daughter-in-law? Or…does it hurt that much that Tae-sung might get wounded?”
Jae-in asks why he’s always so concerned with Tae-sung, and why he’ll never talk about himself. Gun-wook: “Hong Tae-sung? I want everything of Hong Tae-sung’s. I want to take it all. They treat people like bugs because of their pride…those people who wear the shell of Haeshin…I’m going to step on them all.”
She decides he’s crazy, and hits a nerve when she muses that even if these people had killed his parents (speaking hypothetically, since she knows nothing), this is going too far.
Jae-in: Fine. Let’s go. I’m going to do whatever it takes to marry Hong Tae-sung and become a part of that family. Then if you want to step on me too, you do as your heart desires.
Gun-wook: Moon Jae-in, don’t delude yourself. Me? I can use you if I need to, then throw you away cruelly. Since when do you think of me? Don’t be a hypocrite.
Jae-in’s heart shatters, as she accepts the truth. She says she had hoped that he wouldn’t end up being this person, but she gets it now, and walks away. She turns back one last time to plead with him for an explanation…just a word…but he gives her nothing. She says, tears streaming down her face, that her heart was swayed because of him, but she can let go and go her own way now. That seems to stir him a little, but not enough to break his resolve.
As she walks out, Gun-wook thinks to himself in voiceover, “Moon Jae-in, it doesn’t matter whom you choose. Me, and Haeshin…we’re all going to come crashing down.”
Tae-ra’s husband comes to cuddle up for a little nookie, but Tae-ra rebuffs him. He’s like, what’s wrong with you? What, a man can reject a woman’s sexual advances, but a woman can’t reject his? That sound? That’s the sound of me sharpening my claws.
It looks like he’s just testing her though, to try and get some confirmation of her affair. He angles to try and get Gun-wook’s phone number from her, saying that he wants to have a drink with him to talk about Mo-nae, but Tae-ra deflects. He at least seems devastated or angry now because of her affair, whereas he struck me as strangely ambivalent about it before, like it made her more attractive to him, or permitted his own dalliances.
Jae-in arrives at home and vents to her sister that Gun-wook scared her today, and she doesn’t know what to believe. Not that it wouldn’t be nice of you to stand by your man, but generally speaking, if a guy’s got a secret lair where he’s plotting the downfall of an empire and a trophy wall to prove it, you should probably run screaming the other way. Or check for heads in freezer. Then run screaming.
The next morning Gun-wook passes off the big corporate slush fund info to his contact, and then meets with Madam Shin. She coyly asks how the search for his family is going, and he replies that they passed away…a regrettable death at someone‘s hand.
She coolly calls him Choi Tae-sung, and he responds in kind, not a feather unruffled. He says that she must’ve been surprised, what with him being not dead and all. She tries to play dumb, but they both know the score now.
Gun-wook looks down at her with a breezy smile on his face, toying with her and enjoying it way too much. Madam Shin actually tries to get him to leave the company and stop trying to meet Mo-nae, and of course Gun-wook corrects her that it’s actually Mo-nae who likes him, calls him, comes to see him, and that he didn’t enter the company because of Mo-nae.
Madam Shin loses her veneer for a moment, letting loose one of her characteristic banshee wails, and Gun-wook doesn’t even flinch: “Why are you so afraid of me?” Well-played. She whines on her high horse about him not knowing his place or who she is, but Gun-wook sends her reeling again: “You must be really nervous…that I’ll end up your family again.”
She flips out one more time at that implication (little does she know he means Tae-ra, not Mo-nae). And then Gun-wook puts the nail in the coffin: “Rather than the real Hong Tae-sung, wouldn’t it have been better if you had the nicer me, even if I was fake, trapped in that house? Wouldn’t that have been peaceful for everyone…Mother?”
She starts shaking. He asks her one final question to lay it all to rest: who was the one to lie to his parents that he was Hong Tae-sung? He surmises that the only one to tell such a lie would be her. At that, she empties her water in his face.
He smiles…that’s all the answer he needed. He threatens her, bald-faced, that he’s not going to be chased out in the rain anymore, and that he has nothing to lose now, compared to Mother…who has everything to lose. He dangles Mo-nae, her precious youngest daughter in front of her first, saying that she may be precious to her, but he can throw her away at a moment’s notice.
Tae-sung arrives on the scene, splitting up the frivolity. Gun-wook leaves, after leveling his best I-own-your-ass-little-mouse glare at Madam Shin one last time. I think Kim Nam-gil’s eyes are on their own show. This episode could be called “The Ten Thousand Glares of Bad Kitty.”
Madam Shin tries to get Tae-sung to fire Gun-wook, since he won’t heed her warnings to leave. Tae-sung’s having none of that, since he likes Gun-wook (despite punches thrown?), and Madam Shin can’t actually state any reasons why she wants him gone. He’s mad at her for firing Jae-in too, so he storms out with a “No.”
Jae-in thinks back to Gun-wook’s words the other night, and decides to wear the watch from Tae-sung. Note that this is a reaction to Gun-wook, and not at all about Tae-sung. But he doesn’t know that, as it’s the first thing he notices when they meet up. He smiles sheepishly about it, and then offers her a job as a designer for his robot theme park. Oh, THAT’s not going to be weird for her, being stuck in meetings between you and Gun-wook. Tae-sung’s manner of just handing her a job doesn’t sit well with her, but she considers it.
Gun-wook stops by his sunbae’s restaurant and finds the cops hanging out there, pretty much daily. He asks when the statute of limitations is for murder (fifteen years), and laments cryptically that he found out too late. Old Cop urges him to abide by the law, while Young Cop offers up another course of action: nab the perpetrator on a different, newer crime.
Meanwhile, Tae-ra gets a call (presumably from Gun-wook’s contact) and rushes over to her husband’s favorite bar, where she catches him canoodling with his mistress. Well aren’t you squirmy when the tables are turned. She pretty much immediately asks for a divorce. He tries to convince her that she can’t handle a scandal like that, being the perfectionist Vice President and all. But she doesn’t care. Even when he asks if it’s because of Gun-wook, she doesn’t balk.
He tells her that they’ll get over this, and that he forgives her. What now? Tae-ra: “Forgive? FORGIVE?” Hahaha. It’s befitting a lifetime adulterer to “forgive” his wife’s brief affair while in no way equating it to his own monumental failings. She announces that she’ll be raising their daughter, and tells him that she knows now…what it means to be with someone she loves. Oh, crap. That declaration of faith in your boyfriend is so going to bite you in the ass. But hey, either way, your life seems better minus the cheating cold fish husband.
It appears that the Tae-ra move was executed by Gun-wook’s partner without his consent. He decided that separating her husband was necessary, because he, being the family’s high-powered prosecutor, could get them out of whatever giant financial/legal disaster that they’re planning. This way, he’s separated and the family is without backup. It’s not really the soundest theory, because Haeshin could afford an entire army of high-priced lawyers at a moment’s notice, and it’s unlikely they’d have only one prosecutor in their pocket. Gun-wook isn’t ecstatic about it, but decides to use the situation to his advantage.
Tae-sung convinces Jae-in to take the job, and he starts offering apartments and things that chaebols do, I suppose. But Jae-in finds herself lost in thought about Gun-wook and how little she really knew about him. It’s sad to see Tae-sung so happy while Jae-in so clearly doesn’t have her heart in it; it sort of takes the punch out of what used to be a dramatic love triangle.
Madam Shin is kept up at night by nightmares of little Tae-sung calling her Mom in a creepy voice. Yeah, karma’s a bitch that way.
She marches over to Gun-wook’s office the next morning, and tells him one more time to quit. Yeah, we already confirmed that your demand was totally ineffectual the first time. She slaps him across the face for good measure, with Tae-sung and Jae-in watching. That totally took the venom out of your bite, lady, because now all you’re doing is throwing tantrums and showing your weaknesses. Gun-wook smirks at having the upper hand.
Tae-sung then does the cutest thing ever. He takes Gun-wook shopping, and then out for ice cream, as an apology for his mother. I see a music video in the works!
He tells Gun-wook that he’s like a hyung (older brother) to him. I’d be happy if everyone else died but these two could walk away as friends. Gun-wook takes the opportunity to cut to banmal: “Hong Tae-sung. Tae-sung. Tae-sung-ah.”
Tae-sung laughs, “Just because I said you were like a hyung doesn’t mean you can cut your words!” Gun-wook keeps at it teasingly, and Tae-sung allows it just until they finish their ice cream. He challenges Gun-wook to play the hyung.
But Gun-wook gets back to his cold self for a moment, saying that he’s not going to be anyone’s hyung, because we come into his world alone, and we leave alone. Buzzkill. Tae-sung: “You’re making fun of me right now, aren’t you?” Gun-wook nods silently with his ice cream in his face—it’s cuter than six puppies.
He adds one last piece of advice as the hyung: “Don’t trust anyone.”
The inside trading and shady deals of Haeshin go public, and the press floods President Hong. He asks Secretary Kim what he’s found out, and he lies that he’s still struggling to get anything concrete. Interesting.
He tries to get Tae-ra’s husband on the phone, but he’s not answering. At the same time, Tae-ra announces her plans for divorce to Madam Shin, who promptly freaks out, to no avail.
Jae-in tries one more time to get some info out of Old Cop, but he refuses to give her any. That is, until he very loudly laments to Young Cop that Gun-wook is behind the latest Haeshin scandal, while Jae-in is still very clearly within earshot. Jae-in confronts Gun-wook about the story in the paper, but he brushes her off, saying she should congratulate him.
Mo-nae is on her way abroad, and meets with Tae-sung to say goodbye. If this is the actual send-off for her character, I’m disappointed, Show. That’s a waste of a great character if that’s all there is for her.
Gun-wook decides it’s time to toy with his mouse again, so he calls Madam Shin and Tae-ra to his office within minutes of each other. He times it just so, and Madam Shin walks in on this:
He deliberately plays the clueless boyfriend, essentially driving Madam Shin off her rocker.
As Mo-nae leaves, Gun-wook sits in his lair, burning up her picture. Two down. I’m disappointed that there wasn’t more fight in Mo-nae, but I suppose it’s better for her that Gun-wook didn’t damage her further. As far as I’m concerned, she may be a spoiled brat, but she was an innocent in the matter.
Madam Shin starts to show how truly loose her screws are. She tells her housekeeper that when Gun-wook’s parents died, no one but Gun-wook was sad. But when HER SON died, the whole family, nay the whole country wept. Oh, really? You are truly delusional, and the scariest kind of sociopath, because you believe in your heart of hearts, that you are in the right.
Tae-sung opens up the letter that Mo-nae left for him, and it asks him to please stop Tae-ra because she’s out of her mind—she says she loves Gun-wook and the two are dating.
President Hong walks in on the tail end of Madam Shin’s latest rant, and demands to know what’s going on. She tells him that Gun-wook is the fake Tae-sung, and that he’s out to get the whole family. She even fesses up about the whole fake-child business. She tells him that it wasn’t Gun-wook’s parents who deceived him; it was her.
He can’t believe it. When she uses the excuse that she couldn’t bear to raise his illegitimate child, he spits back that HE accepted Tae-ra as his own daughter. Whoa. That’s news. So President Hong married into the family (because Madam Shin is the actual bloodline heir to Haeshin) when she had already had a child.
She tells him that it’s all his fault, (the original adultery, the bringing in of the child), and lays out the damage that Gun-wook has dealt so far. His anger switches focus to Gun-wook pretty quickly.
He calls Gun-wook to the house, and you think he might rip into him like Madam Shin, but no—here’s the twist: that closeness between Dad and Tae-sung Number 1 was indeed the real deal. As soon as Gun-wook walks in the door, he calls out with sadness shaking in his voice, “Tae-sung-ah.”
COMMENTS
Why isn’t Madam Shin running around and telling her children about Gun-wook? It’s not like she feels any remorse or guilt over her part in the mess, as we witnessed. So it serves her no purpose to keep her mouth shut when she knows that he’s out to get everyone in the family. It serves to extend the plot, but makes no sense.
That said, I do find her brand of pathology totally twisted and interesting. I don’t enjoy her maniacal scenes, mostly because they scare me, but her character is quite riveting.
Gun-wook is becoming…less interesting. I don’t know what it is. He’s definitely playing up the cat-and-mouse angle, but it’s getting a little over-the-top, with his knowing glance after knowing glance. He comes off as less of the string-pulling mastermind, and more of an opportunist, which takes away some of the flair. I also think it’s a mistake to give him NOTHING to lose…because then we can’t be on his side for any reason other than: Gun-wook Bad / Madam Shin Badder.
Things should take an interesting turn now that President Hong knows. I’m hoping that this relationship will actually stir something in Gun-wook and make him falter or question his actions.
And I’d give my left arm for Gun-wook and Tae-sung’s bromance to be the OTP. Can they just eat ice cream and shoot the breeze for three more episodes?
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51 msim
August 4, 2010 at 11:22 AM
@ langdon813
@ Aya
I am willing to bet that KNG and KJW are fully aware of what they are doing. The sunglasses are there to hide the mischieveous glint in their eyes.
Unexpected, and savoured. Worth the entire series.
I'll forgive all plotholes, even those as big as an ostrich's nest, if Show gives me another date between these 2.
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52 kaedejun
August 4, 2010 at 11:34 AM
hahaha - i get with the plot holes and all, but i guess that's the product of rushed scripts!?
anyways - i think i would hate having to listen to madame shin for this entire episode. though it's interesting just how messed up in the head she can be, i wouldn't be able to stand listening to her shrieks. the most interesting part in this recap (and probably in the episode) for me was the confrontation between Madame Shin and President Hong, because THAT confrontation looked meaty - especially with the revelation about Tae Ra that seemed to come out of nowhere.
once again i don't care for jae in, and i really hope that KJW's tae sung comes out of this ok!
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53 Jin Ari
August 4, 2010 at 12:19 PM
I'd be happy if everyone else dies and GW and TS get to be friends too.
The ice-cream eating shot was awesome.
Thanks for the recap.
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54 bo bae
August 4, 2010 at 1:10 PM
If there is ever a poll for meaniest mom on Korean drama, Kim Hye Ok aka Mrs. Shin would get my vote. From Lotus Fairy, Something Happened in Bali to Bad Guys, this lady is so full of emotional and energy. She has screamed and slapped at so many of the Korean actresses ( in the dramas). She really does a great job acting as the "typical" Korean mom.
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55 lili
August 4, 2010 at 1:16 PM
Girlfriday, thanks for trying so hard to make your recap funny. Unfortunately, there is no depth to you recap. You’re unable to pick up the noir and slick theme, that’s why you’d fallen into many holes and is too blind to get out. Just a piece of advice, in the future you should stick to “puppy love dramas” and not thriller-melodrama like Buy Guy. Also back to your recap on ep12, of course there’s no Santa in August! Yeah, girlfriday you should drown completely and stop writing recap on BG just leave it the dramabeans.
Episode 14 was epic, most viewers on Viikii were basically cheering and praising it. I myself found GW was so intriguing to watch taking his revenge to the fullest because he’s nothing to lose and that’s what makes him more dangerous and scary. And mind you he hasn’t lost his string-pulling mastermind, I’m sure all his plans will be accomplished and then he will get his punishment. Lastly please to my piece of advice before earlier!!!
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56 celestialorigin
August 4, 2010 at 1:55 PM
Finally caught up with ep13. I can hardly wait for it to be subtitled. Thank you for tthis great recap!
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57 beggar1015
August 4, 2010 at 2:06 PM
Despite the plot holes bigger than Kansas, I'm going to own up and say I thought Episode 14 was the best out of the entire bunch! The frantic energy and pacing was what this show has been needing. Once I get past the over-the-top crying jag at the beginning, it's all sweet love for Bad Guy from there on out. When Kim Nam Gil gets into pscho mode, you really can't lose. And as I suspected, when Jae In's character is pushed way, way to the back to bystander role, I don't miss her at all. She's not important to the main storyline. Although it might have been interesting, if the show had been able to keep to 20 episodes, to see the tension between Gun Wook, Jae In and Tae Sung as they all three tried to work together, with JI knowing what GW is up to and perhaps trying to stop him on her own. But that's not to be.
The obvious reason that the out-of-the-blue revelation that Tae Ra is not Hong's daughter is because of course we're going to learn GW is really TS, so it was okay to be making out with TR because they're not blood related. (So who IS Tae Ra's real father? And why did Old Hong seem more upset that GW was messing around with her than with his real daughter, Monet?)
Meanwhile, I've unfortunately seen Episode 15 and have lost hope for the remaining of the show. I'll always be wondering what Bad Guy could have been if KNG hadn 't had to leave for the military.
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58 langdon813
August 4, 2010 at 2:14 PM
1. snark
Noun combination of "snide" and "remark". Sarcastic comment(s). Also, snarky (adj.) and snarkily (adv.)
Examples:
His commentary was rife with snark.
"Your boundless ineptitude is astounding," she snarkily declared.
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59 ockoala
August 4, 2010 at 2:30 PM
@ lili
"Also back to your recap on ep12, of course there’s no Santa in August!"
So.....is there a Santa in any other month of the year besides August? If so, please tell me where I can find him? You've just reignited my childhood fantasy. Thank you!
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60 snoopyvkd
August 4, 2010 at 2:35 PM
Love the bromance too! It's definitely good to see those 2 bad guys smile. But doesn't seem really right for Gun Wook's character to be that nice and almost sincere to Tae Song.
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61 ockoala
August 4, 2010 at 2:41 PM
Thanks for the recap, GF. I lovelovelove titling this episode The Ten Thousand Glares of Bad Kitty. I've given up on BG having tight writing and sensical plot developments.
But if I take it that GW's so-called mastermind revenge strategy is on par with how much sense Madame Shin (aka Satan's mommy) initial switch the Tae Sung's strategy was about, then I'm cool with that.
It's like - if everyone is operating under the same rather warped logic and thought process in this drama, then as least it's consistent. No?
But GW's revenge is so very like that ice-cream cone he licked and sucked on - vanilla and melty. So he wants to:
(1) make Mo Nae heart broken and pissed at her sister - uhm, MN could only truly be heart broken if you actually made her believe you loved her and then crushed her itty bitty heart, but GW barely made an effort to look in her direction. Also, MN wasn't all BFF with TR to begin with, so it was no betrayal other than a kitty fight over the hot pool boy.
(2) make TR's marriage fail - hehehehe, that marriage was as strong as a tissue in a thunderstorm, gonna melt at the first drop of rain. And a divorce is a dime a dozen, totally nothing to write home about.
(3) cause the death of other son - ahhhh, this is a good revenge plan, except if it happened by accident then GW has nothing to do with it, and if he killed the dude then we're talking Mawang revenge plans but alas, I think it's a coincidence (again with the logic fail).
(4) destroy Haeshin Group - only commendable revenge goal - but it barely rated any action and I don't see how his machinations can bring down the entire company.
I watch BG for the pretty and the lovely acting from all involved. Anything more to expect from it, then it's just ephemeral and nonexistent.
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62 girlfriday
August 4, 2010 at 2:50 PM
Actually, I'm fairly certain that Santa was on his way this month (gotta get a head start on the holiday season--those magic reindeer are union now), but then Madam Shin replaced him with a FAKE Santa because it gave her some semblance of control over the universe.
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63 Mary Poppins
August 4, 2010 at 3:21 PM
Hi, first time i'm writing here. My english is bad, so sorry for that.
A lot of you are missing a very big information that explains everything (sorry girlfriend, but can't see any holes here, or very few): Haeshin Group belonged to Mrs Shin family in the first place ! President Hong owned the group only after marrying her. So Mrs Shin is not only drive by vengeance or her sick mind. She wanted Tae-ra or the older brother to be the heir and the future president of Haeshin so that the group stays in her bloodline (someone said it earlier). That's why she tried to kill Tae-Sung . If she hadn't replace him, President Hong would have never give up investigations. So she brought the fake Taesung and killed the couple who adopted Gun Wook too, because as soon as you knew that they were not the real parents of the first child you could guess the entire story (and i think the secretary did)
As for the reason why she can't say anything to Tae-ra... like said Snoop "a murder is the case here". I can understand why she's afraid. So much hatred from Gun Wook can't have no reasons...
I don't see many loofholes here unless i'm missing something. Some relationships or characters may be weak, but the storyline looks well constructed to me.
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64 laura
August 4, 2010 at 3:24 PM
Hey Lili, why president Hong got angry? I think that this is because Tae-ra is married, have a kid and Gun-wook was dating monet before. That is why.
Btw lol I agree of some things you said, I mean, Girlfriday, I think sometimes you put a idea in your head, and if this idea don't come true you talk bad things about the drama, because no, it wasn't like you wanted so, the drama isn't good.. you aren't a open person you are? because I mean, have some things in Bg that you need to pay attention and think, but it seems, you just watch the drama, get a idea and that is it! You don't think twice..... I think you think more in ' what should I write to my recap be funny' ... ewwwwwwww please when you watch a episode, really watch it, don't watch it just to write your recap.
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65 Mary Poppins
August 4, 2010 at 3:30 PM
@61 : totally agree. This is the weakest point of the drama. Like the policeman (almost) said : when you throw something on a tank (little rock or something), it leaves a scratch but don't stop it.
He would have done more damage if he knew at the very beginning that he was Taesung, came back to claim his due, and made everything to destroy the group from inside. But then he wouldn't be with Taera and we would miss the sexiest couple of the show :-)
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66 Javabeans
August 4, 2010 at 3:41 PM
Just jumping in here to say:
Girlfriday and I spend hours on this drama. Probably over 100 hours in watching, recapping, analyzing, studying, and trying to make sense of it all.
If you disagree with our opinions. great. But it's ridiculous to suggest that either GF or I aren't putting enough thought into the series and that is why we are missing points that you think we should be seeing. It's quite likely that we have thought about this drama a lot more than you think we have.
Keep it civil and don't snipe just because you don't agree. That's the golden rule of DB!
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67 always805
August 4, 2010 at 4:07 PM
Banshee wails! girlfriday, you could not be more on point with that description. i literally cracked up reading that. I dunno, but something about the way the actress plays Madam Shin amuses me. She does a very good job. I can't wait to see Madam Shin go crazy. It's gonna be good fun!
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68 celestialorigin
August 4, 2010 at 4:39 PM
OMG! Now finally I'm back tracking this thread with my jet lagged brain. What happened to manners?
People, we all have choices about where to come to read recaps for our favorite dramas. Mine happens to be here because of those 2 ladies' delightfully subjective/objective insightful recaps. I so luv being informed and entertained by their writings. That's why I'm here. And I do respect your personal choices as well of being here or not.
@55 lili
"of course there’s no Santa in August!"
Sweetheart, there can be Santa in everyday of of your life if that's what you want. My dear friend has been saying Christmas is everyday for ages and I'd love that be my reality, lol.
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69 lili
August 4, 2010 at 4:59 PM
@ ockoala, of course Santa is a childhood fantasy. That’s my point, girlfriday in my opinions is making or expecting her own fantasy to BG drama and she’s not writing recap based on Bad Guy theme. Example, it’s clear that Gun-wook isn’t a murderer and I don’t know why she was hoping for that. Gun-wook goals were to destroy each Hong Family members emotionally and psychologically. On to of all, I was in disbelief that she comments the “GW is becoming …less interesting”. For this I’ve to strongly disagreed, this episode is the real start of tension and the when Gun-wook gets into pshco mood and all tensed up which's was much more intriguing to watch him in previous eps ie. the silence, unpredictable and undecidable GW. From reading girlfriday recaps, I just can’t help it be thinking that she must have something against GW or BG drama itself, especially GW character.
It's this a public blog? ain't criticisms welcome?
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70 ockoala
August 4, 2010 at 5:09 PM
@ lili
Of course valid criticism is welcome (as I'm sure JB pointed out). However, I fail to see how telling "girlfriday you should drown completely" is a valid criticism, since you just told her to go die (or am I misreading your criticism).
As for Santa - you completely missed GF's use of that mythical figure (which she used to allude to the fact that her hope for the development of GW's character clearly isn't going to happen because there is no such thing as Santa). I highly doubt she needed you to tell her Santa doesn't come in August.
You can critique GF's recap, and she can critique BG's writing and execution. Done and done.
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71 girlfriday
August 4, 2010 at 5:13 PM
I have rewritten the recap per your requests:
Gun-wook outs himself as Tae-sung 1
Gun-wook and Madam Shin fight
Madam Shin outs herself as mastermind
Mo-nae leaves
Tae-ra asks for divorce
Plot in no way derails for sake of rushed ending
The End
*brought to you by Santa
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72 lili
August 4, 2010 at 5:33 PM
@oakoala, my criticism “gilfriday you should drown completely”. Sorry that I didn’t made myself clear, I meant girlfriday had completely derailed away from the drama theme. Girlfriday hope for the development of GW character, I my point of view it’s not what the drama is trying to convey.
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73 xtool
August 4, 2010 at 5:45 PM
Well, I"m happy to see that this drama has everyone in orbit in one way or another. The BG writers have clearly had to wrap themselves around the axle to get this done in 17 episodes without full use of KNG, and I suspect the plot and we are suffering as a result. No doubt, that's why everyone is a little overwrought trying to figure it out. Let's just hope they find a way to end it without totally wimping out, or the ranting here from the fangirls/boys will be endless. And, I'll be ranting with the best of them...
Meanwhile, civility, folks...
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74 hjkomo
August 4, 2010 at 5:50 PM
Thank you, Santa. I <3 You. :P
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75 celestialorigin
August 4, 2010 at 5:55 PM
@71 girlfriday
Brilliant! LMAO!
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76 Javabeans
August 4, 2010 at 6:03 PM
I think Santa should write the next recap.
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77 nycgrl
August 4, 2010 at 6:09 PM
Bravo!! Brilliant recap Santa. succinct, objective and totally free of personal voice and devoid of feelings.
You know what they say, the customer is always right. But wait! What's that? None of these guys are freaking paying you you say? Doh! In that case Santa, I suggest you make a naughty list so you can send coal (or something that looks like coal but smells worse) through the postal system in the middle of August. Should make a nice surprise to all haters.
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78 cingdoc
August 4, 2010 at 7:09 PM
@71 GF OMG....you've just outdone yourself(I believe you had another one just as short(SWEET) as this....BRILLIANT,I say.... :)
*SIGH* Why do guests in this site are getting rude to our JB and GF....tsk tsk (not cool)
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79 msim
August 4, 2010 at 7:27 PM
Santa just called me - he voiced the lingering suspicion that Lili and Laura might be the same person.
Something about the stellar sentence structure sounded his alarm bells.
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80 lili
August 4, 2010 at 8:33 PM
@msim
“Santa just called me – he voiced the lingering suspicion that Lili and Laura might be the same person.”
I swear to god if I’m Laura then I would die immediately. Am I serious enough?
@girlfriend, your rewritten recap brought by Santa, once again failed, misunderstood the story and the noir and slick reasons behind it . I’m just wasting my time here, bye.
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81 ockoala
August 4, 2010 at 8:50 PM
@ lili
LOL. I'm not sure where "drown yourself completely" meant GF derailed from the drama theme - perhaps my sense of deduction is faulty lately. Regardless, I take it that's what you meant, and that is certainly a valid point of view to have. See, I'm totally reasonable. As long as you're not telling one of my two favoritest recappers to submerge herself in water completely, I am cool with that.
However, just because GF has a different perspective from yours doesn't mean she misunderstood the story or the reasons behind it.
I am thoroughly enjoying Bad Guy. I love the cinematography, the gorgeous actors, the very good across the board acting, the glimpses of interesting character development.
But the so-called story is pretty flimsy and whatever reasons or logic incipient in the story is riddled with so many holes a Hummer can drive through it. That doesn't mean we can't enjoy it. But I fail to see why having that perception of the plot of BG means one misunderstood it.
I think I understand it just fine (it's a noir revenge melodrama where the revenge aspect is not very well thought out), thank you very much. And I'm completely fine with you having a different take on this drama. See, your opinion is just as valid as mine. You don't hear me going around telling you that you failed or misunderstood BG.
Just a thought - a difference in opinion is simply that, not an indicator someone isn't thinking properly or failed to reach the correct conclusion. :-)
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82 elisa
August 4, 2010 at 9:17 PM
i still think gun wook was the real taesung @___@.
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83 elisa
August 4, 2010 at 9:19 PM
unless. there was ANOTHER real taesung. and both of them are fakes.
but that's just stupid......
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84 stellar
August 4, 2010 at 10:01 PM
regardless of different POVs i'd still say thank you and kudos to GF for that thorough recap of bad guy and thank you JB for your efforts in recapping and nitpicking our favorite dramas. :D
i'm totally enjoying this drama and agree on most of the posts here. well, the only thing that annoys me in this show is how slow the cops are. I'm not even disappointed about how jae-in's character dwindled because her character is pretty flat from the start.
my perfect bad guy ending would be geun-wook, tae-sung and won-in sipping banana daiquiris on the beach. :D yes with their wayfarers on. B-)
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85 sajor
August 5, 2010 at 12:41 AM
@71girlfriday
sorry for my previous comment, it might have sounded a little too mean. hope santa won't be recapping anymore, as your's and jb's are way much better.
you're actually doing a great job here, and it doesn't sit well for me to have overlooked a lot of your good inputs in BG because of some points i cannot agree with. i hope i can be more civil in voicing a different opinion in the future. and here's to hoping the negative comments here won't put you down so much.
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86 lili
August 5, 2010 at 5:43 AM
Okay, I'm back as a customer, to say sorry and thanks you very much to girlfriday and dramabeans for your hard work in all Bay Guys recaps. I was too upset and couldn’t control myself. But my opinions and views haven’t change. After all everyone is different.
@ockoala, "a difference in opinion is simply that, not an indicator someone isn’t thinking properly or failed to reach the correct conclusion" - this is true!
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87 Mary Poppins
August 5, 2010 at 5:49 AM
The other big loofoles of the drama is the police investigation. You don't need to do such research for a suicide. They never give us the impression that Gun Wook big sis death was a murder, neither had a beginning of a proof. But if you get rid of these two idiots, the story is ok.
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nana
October 10, 2010 at 5:37 PM
I agree the police are such Idiots!My god!Why would they suspect GW if they put together He and the dead girl grew up together?I think the whole story is stupid,because It didn't look like a murder,and 2 the fact that they blame TS is stupid as well.I mean His method of breaking up with her was not the greatest,but that doesn't mean it's his fault that she was emotionally unstable,because she showed no signs of being Suicidal or unstable.
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88 get carried away
August 5, 2010 at 8:46 AM
i'm now only at episode 10 of this drama and i must say that this drama is brilliant, in terms of its cinematic and artistic view, in terms of music and definitely acting :)
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89 Lisa Purba
August 5, 2010 at 9:14 AM
I'm with GF all the way! And I agree every single bit of her comments up there. Way to go, sharp girl!
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90 leslie
August 5, 2010 at 4:15 PM
one thing is clear to me...if Girlfriday and Jababeans didn't enjoy BadGuy there would be no recaps...just saying!
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91 Jill4675
August 5, 2010 at 4:42 PM
I don't have even the tiniest interest in this drama and thus have seen none of it. But this particular recap thread is hilarious nevertheless...apparently, we have one or more visitors from a neighboring planet who have not yet completed basic ESL! (Proofreading and, if possible, having a friend vet one's comments may be advisable in the interim!) As usual, the reprimands from loyal (and vastly more polite subjects) are cracking me up. Now I'll go back to the kitchen and get the milk and cookies ready. I can hear the sleighbells approaching. Christmas in July is so last month...
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anastassia
August 8, 2010 at 11:42 PM
Then you have miss some big gift!
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92 amg01
August 5, 2010 at 5:55 PM
MUAH HA HA HA HA HA !
And for all of you who thought that I was the "Biggest and Most Unreasonable" etc,etc,etc, LOUD MOUTH! Around this parts of Cyberspace!
Well I guess I should move over and allowed "Lady lili" to take over!!!!!
!!!RUNNING SCARED'' **************** HAYYYYYY CARAMBAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
:O}
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93 GrandmaFran
August 5, 2010 at 7:36 PM
@Amg1 haha every time i see your name, i think of the heated PP discussions which i thoroughly enjoyed
bad guy is really beautiful to watch, but you have to admit, the plot isn't its strong point. and also, i think the recappers are writing these recaps with information they know up to that episode only. more does get revealed in the next episodes which helps make more sense of things. i do like that people are getting so passionate about this discussions but i hope everyone remembers to keep things civil and to respect everyone's opinions. thanks again girlfriday and dramabeans for choosing to give up your time to provide us with such wonderful recaps.
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94 cheanne
August 5, 2010 at 9:55 PM
Whats with lili??? Do you know GF personally?
Me I am always thankful for your recaps. It gives me a chance to read currently airing drama/ series in Korea and understand them better. With some sultural explanation and all.
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95 Mel
August 5, 2010 at 11:29 PM
Love you JB and GF..... as always thanks for all the hard work. Both of you spending countless hours to entertain us whether it be with agreement, humor or criticism, it's all welcome... Keep it coming... Love both your work as well as your guests be they wordly or extra terrestrial from different orbits.. I repeat..Oftentimes there may be disagreements but more agreements come filled with surprising humor-LOLs. Thanks once again for the earnest hard work from who could only dream to aspire and greatly envy you for having this blogspot-- website where people like me--kdrama addict converge with other addicts and fill get our daily dose of great FUN!!!!
If this is called sucking up -- yes it can be and it is, cuz we've got truly great recappers who I really appreciate even if at times we don't agree... Thanks once again JB and GF.... Umm yes, am a huge--- yes, HUGE JAVABEANS fan...
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96 combatbaby
August 6, 2010 at 1:24 AM
Javabeans and Girlfriday, the pair of you are true champions of Kdrama. Your dedication to and well-versedness in the genre SERIOUSLY astounds me--and holy hell, can you guys WRITE! And convey emotion, express insight, articulate hidden meanings, what have you....... (This is coming from someone who lives by her pen.) I've been lurking on Dramabeans for almost a year now, and I think it's safe to say that I have never been disappointed by any of your posts, be it a drama recap, an opinion on a news feature, or a gratuitous hot man pic spam (especially those. Heh.) Even when I disagree with some of the points you pose--which, while possible, is a rare occurrence--you state your case so eloquently and with such hilarious candor that I can't help but be charmed out of my initial opposition. In short........I wish there was a huge Facebook LIKE function for the whole site so that I could just LIKE it all day, every day. And the both of you, too... combatbaby LIKES this!
Don't let the haters bring you down, ladies. Much love from the Philippines! <3
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97 combatbaby
August 6, 2010 at 1:31 AM
Oh, and yeah, I'm pretty much sucking up...but rest assured that my entire comment was basted, left to marinate, and then deep-fried in a massive vat of truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me God. For the love of all that is KDrama, please don't stop recapping Bad Guy =)
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98 Bo
August 7, 2010 at 2:50 AM
No 34- ANAIS OMG we have exactly the same sentiments regarding the JI character and the actress. I just found out that you exists only now when I had the time to read the reviews.
Great insights and exchanges from the audience. . JB ang GF please take things in stride. . it only means we are all interested with what you think and write hence all the reactions. . I heard my MOM says pretty often "The success of my cooking is not gauge by all the rambling and the praises. . . . . but when there's no leftovers". . . .
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99 anastassia
August 8, 2010 at 11:38 PM
"That…is just….Stupid. So rather than raise Tae-sung, which she ended up having to do anyway, she brought in a random kid? What purpose does that serve other than to annoy me? That doesn’t even closely resemble logic."
I have postponed my comment for this episode since last week since I'm busy. This is what I think back then.
Thanks Girlfriday for this recaps. Although it was entertaining but it aren't fulfilling the subtle elements and depth of this drama. Even for this episodes and the first scenes and whilst we are trying to figure out what going on here we can rewind what this is all about.
For the first time I disagree with you. That doesn't resemble logic is what make me thinking really hard. I HATE unlogic plots etc. But why Mrs Shin want to kill his family and really loath him?
But this one is different. Me think since last week.
Something is going on here. A subtle clue. Simple.
Gun Wook is the real Tae Sung.
When we rethink back, why Mrs Shin always asked was he really died as a child back then to Mr KIm. Do you see his dead body. AGAIN and AGAIN. Then, she tried to killed him in this episode. She can't stand him. Not just that. The flash back of her trying to kill Shin Gun Wook as a child be it just imagination of GW or else.
The fact that it is easier for her to get rid the real tae sung and let the fake one be in the family so that the illegimate child wouldn't has anything in the family and Hae Shin.
Beside, the way she treated HTS (KJW) now, is not hatred BUT trashy treament as someone who has NO place in the family and Hae Shin. It is indicator as he is nothing to begin with.
For me the latter episode is superbly done and I'm fully satisfied with it even I hope for certain tightness.
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