Coffee House: Page 8

287 June 10, 2010January 24, 2016

by javabeans

A picture says a thousand words, doesn’t it?

I could tell from the way the Episode 7 recap went that the fan fervor would increase for this episode, which surely delivered. Aside from the laughs and the chemistry between the actors, one thing I’m really loving about this drama is the loaded conversations — there are a few really interesting passages of dialogue that play a lot with text/subtext and nuance, which I always enjoy.

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PAGE 8 RECAP

Later that morning, Eun-young wakes up and thinks back to the dawn hours, when she had woken up to see Jin-soo deep in thought by the window. All he had said was for her to go back to sleep, but she had sensed the change in his attitude — serious, pensive — and comes out of the room wondering how Jin-soo will act now, in the light of day.

But he acts totally normal, chatting easily like nothing happened, and Eun-young looks disappointed. Like she’s bummed out at herself for expecting anything more.

When she heads to the bathroom, Jin-soo makes it a point to wait until she’s out of earshot to turn on some music. Whether he’s setting the mood or not, it’s a conscious move that tells us he’s aware of the change that Eun-young sensed, and that he’s purposely putting on his nonchalant front. As for Eun-young, she sighs to herself for bothering to come here to check on him.

Over breakfast, Jin-soo chuckles at his memory of last night’s movie outing and prods Eun-young to guess who Dong-wook likes. She guesses everyone else first (the cafe employees, her employee Hyun-joo) before landing on Seung-yeon, and marvels at the unexpected pairing. He jokes that if he’d interfered the date a little more, he probably would have been killed.

Having revised her opinion of the secretary, Eun-young gives her due credit — although she doesn’t seem to be especially sharp, she’s determined. With more development, Seung-yeon could become quite useful the more he continues to use her. But Jin-soo says that he can’t do that, because “I’m going to leave.”

This brings a serious note to the conversation as he says that he’s worked hard and written diligently for the past two years, so he wants to disappear for the next two. He feels he’s been here too long and wants to get away; they can always re-sign their contract at a later date. Eun-young’s sharp, and asks if that’s why he has thrown himself into his writing now — to finish quickly and get out of here. Jin-soo teases that yup, he wants to go far away to escape her nagging, but she doesn’t find it funny; he assures her it was a joke, but she corrects him — it’s the truth disguised as a joke.

Jin-soo promises he’ll stick around until the manuscript is done, and even agrees to do the TV interview, just this once. However, Eun-young sees that he’s keeping his gaze away from her, and she prods him to look at her.

Eun-young asks, “Did I dream last night? You’re the same person, but how can the look in your eyes be so different?” He knows exactly what she means but he throws humor up as a shield and makes exaggerated faces to keep the tone light.

Sigh! There he goes, pulling a Troy from Reality Bites. I hear Eun-young’s frustration with this, having known a few of those boys in my day. He’s using flippant jokes as a defense mechanism, and it’s clear that he’s desperately trying to avoid any sort of genuine emotion to protect himself, and Eun-young is the only one who sees that and can call him on it. But even though she understands, she’s disappointed at his response. Like he thinks it’s just not worth the trouble to be honest.

That feeling grows during their drive in to work, and she gets sick of his glib veneer. She calls him hopeless, but not in an endearing way — it’s in an “I’m so upset that you’re actually beyond hope” sort of way. Pulling over to the side of the road, she tells him to get out of the car, frustrated with herself as much as with him for thinking that things might be different this time.

Jin-soo starts the long walk to the office, where Seung-yeon waits at the door. He gives her a key with the excuse that it’s inconvenient for him to always open the door for her, but she appreciates the gesture.

Jin-soo asks Seung-yeon how “ice cream” went last night, said in a knowing tone since he’s really asking about her date. She doesn’t get it, of course, and says he should have come along, to which he laughs, “I can’t risk my life over ice cream.” He muses to himself about her curious appeal — he could kind of let Do-sang slide, but now Dong-wook as well? She looks at him questioningly, not quite able to hear and not understanding what he means anyway.

While checking some camera footage, Jin-soo finds something odd and instructs Seung-yeon to take a look, then leans over her shoulder to peer at the screen. The sudden proximity sends her nerves all a-jitter and she hunches away from him nervously. When he again leans close while she’s making his coffee, she lurches and exclaims wildly that he should stay at a distance, and complains how he’s always hovering.

This is all to cover up her uncomfortable budding attraction, but Jin-soo misinterprets her snappishness for rebellion. Offended that his employee is now putting on airs and daring to talk back to him, he gets mad right back and scolds her for taking advantage of his lax attitude. Lol.

In the safety of the bathroom, Seung-yeon scolds herself for suddenly losing control of her hormones, reminding herself that this is her workplace.

Ji-won drops by the cafe hoping that Disapproving Grandpa has gone by now. However, the employee informs him that Grandpa is sitting right outside, then calls out to get the old man’s attention. Ji-won reacts hilariously, saying furtively, “Don’t call him!” and ducking out of sight. But the employee then moves aside and points down at him, telling Grandpa, “Ji-won hyung is here.” Hehe. Ji-won forces a nervous laugh, bows respectfully, then turns to leave. (And almost runs into Jin-soo on his Segway. He’d like to give him a piece of his mind, but he’s too eager to get away from the dreaded Gramps.)

Grandpa recognizes Jin-soo and requests a chat with him. He dislikes Ji-won’s constant lurking around his granddaughter and asks Jin-soo to do something about it to get him away from her. It’ll be a temporary fix, because Grandpa figures that the ultimate solution is to marry her off — perhaps he should start sending Eun-young on blind dates. Mention of this dims Jin-soo’s smile a bit.

Eun-young joins them in the cafe, where Grandpa asks if she met that guy she was supposed to be set up with. She sends a quick look Jin-soo’s way before smiling it off.

When Jin-soo comes back to the office, Seung-yeon hands him the phone, awkwardly holding the receiver as far from her body as possible to keep Jin-soo at a distance. The call is from Eun-young, and he asks if she’s going on blind dates now, telling her that they don’t suit her. She jokes that he probably thinks she’s more suited to being a forever-single cat lady.

Eun-young is calling to give him her answer to his breakfast proposal regarding his future plans. She recognizes that he’ll leave no matter what she says, and from a business standpoint he’s too valuable for her to just cut ties. She adopts a philosophical tone — it’s not ideal for him to go off for months or years, but he’s bound to pop back up bearing a new book. As far as hypothetical situations go, it’s neither the best- nor worst-case scenario.

This is her way of saying she’ll accept his decision as his publisher. Jin-soo asks for her opinion from a different perspective — meaning, not as his publisher but as a person. She says matter-of-factly, “I told you earlier, the person Lee Jin-soo is a lost cause.” And hangs up.

Spurred by Grandpa’s request (and maybe some of his own personal motivations), Jin-soo gives Seung-yeon an assignment — to write her very first synopsis for a story. Her task is to work out possible ways to get rid of Ji-won from Eun-young’s life for good.

Seung-yeon is taken by surprise, since writing scenarios is hardly something she’s good at, but Jin-soo insists that he’s giving her the opportunity to develop her skills. Even Seung-yeon is smart enough to know that that’s a crock of bull, and retorts that the only reason he’s telling her to do it is because he doesn’t know the answer himself.

He gives her an hour, after which she comes up with the idea to set Ji-won up with a new love interest. But she hasn’t thought out the particulars, and Jin-soo ruthlessly pokes holes into her idea — who? Where would they find her? What would she be like? How would they find someone even more impressive than Eun-young herself?

As he points out each flaw, Seung-yeon’s half of the split screen starts slowly shrinking, to match her falling spirits. Jin-soo sends her back for another pass, and this time she takes more care, interviewing Hyun-joo to ask about Ji-won’s past relationships. Eventually she ditches that idea and tries out a couple new theories.

The first involves a fortune-teller she knows, who can be persuaded to read Eun-young and Ji-won’s couple fortunes and declare them a disastrous match. This is such an obvious line of thinking that Jin-soo declares it completely lame. As he again criticizes her lack of imagination, her split-screen box starts shrinking again. Aw.

She retorts that HE ought to give it a try, to which he replies that this is HER homework — he’s purposely not giving her the answer just so she can practice. Seung-yeon calls him out for the lame excuse, pointing out that he’s foisting this off on her because he doesn’t have a better solution, and this time his box starts to shrink. Haha! (I love the shrinking screen motif, because it’s so simple and yet says so much.)

Her last idea is to get someone to act as Eun-young’s new boyfriend. Jin-soo starts to ask about the particulars, ready to shoot them down: What would it entail? Who would be the boyfriend? By now she’s lost confidence in all her ideas and blurts that he should be the one to play the boyfriend.

She points out that it would be believable, and if Ji-won saw it with his own eyes, he’d have to accept it. Jin-soo asks what would serve as “proof” of the romance, and she mumbles, “Stuff that dating people do.” He asks if this would require “a bed scene,” to which she nervously says no.

Jin-soo sends her back for more thinking, and Seung-yeon brainstorms various scenarios, like getting them drunk and “proving the romance” with a grand public display of affection.

Eun-young sees her name scribbled all over Seung-yeon’s notebook and peers over curiously. Seung-yeon tries to cover it up and explain that this is just an exercise — absolutely imaginary, with no intention of real-life implementation! — while Eun-young ponders why Jin-soo would make her the subject of study.

Reading over the list, Eun-young muses that No. 1 (setting Ji-won up with a new woman) is something she’d have done ages ago if it were possible. On to No. 2 — but that won’t be convincing because their parents already had them go to a fortune-teller when they were engaged, and the forecast was positive.

Now for No. 3 — having Jin-soo pose as her boyfriend. Seung-yeon hurriedly explains that it was just a stupid idea, but Eun-young looks at her with interested eyes: “Now this, I like,” she declares. It has a high possibility of working — how can they work with this?

Eun-young dives into the scenario, thinking of a way to engineer a scenario that is so natural that Ji-won would fall for it. Uneasily, Seung-yeon is forced to sit with her as Eun-young lays out the details: Ji-won has a habit of looking in on her office from his window, so they’ll set this scene in her office. She also figures that a kiss scene is necessary — using a kiss that is convincing even from a distance.

Even more unsettling to Seung-yeon is Eun-young’s decision to keep it secret from Jin-soo, because he wouldn’t cooperate if he knew. Eun-young makes her pinky-swear to it, then praises her for her idea. Afterward, Seung-yeon looks at her promise-pinky in dismay, as though thinking, “Oh, what have I gotten myself into?”

That evening, Seung-yeon waits nervously for the hour of doom, aka 8pm, when Eun-young will put her plan into motion. Jin-soo gets the call requesting his presence in her office, and Seung-yeon bites her tongue anxiously, wanting to warn him but afraid to ruin the plan. (I can see her hesitation, because this is another exercise in loyalty. In an earlier episode, she had decided to stick with Jin-soo no matter what, but the last time they did that we sorta came to the conclusion that Jin-soo’s escape from the interview was childish and caused more damage than it solved.)

Good thing for her she realizes that this time she doesn’t have to go either to Eun-young or Jin-soo, because there’s a Door No. 3. She races next door to Ji-won’s office, intending to stop him from seeing anything.

Eun-young greets Jin-soo with a suspiciously bright smile and a glass of wine. He immediately knows that something is up, although he can’t pinpoint what she’s planning. At first she enjoys leaving him in the dark while she toys with his hair and touches his face, before she tells him through clenched teeth that Ji-won’s watching.

She also calls him out for dismissing Seung-yeon’s idea, because she thinks it’s a great plan — it’s the most realistic and has the highest probability for success. He was just letting his personal distaste for playing the boyfriend color his opinion of the idea itself.

Seung-yeon races into Ji-won’s office, ready to distract him from the scene at the window, but as it happens she’s too late. He is already looking over in shock while Eun-young moves even closer and starts to slowly unbutton Jin-soo’s shirt.

While keeping up the appearance of being locked in a romantic moment, Eun-young tells Jin-soo that she worked out this scenario with Seung-yeon, and they planned out the script for the evening. He asks nervously how far she’s going to go — “You want to keep going? How far?”

All this time, Jin-soo has been a little nervous and uncertain, but at her confirmation that there will be a kiss scene involved, his mouth quirks up in a self-assured smile and he challenges her to show him what she’s got. Eun-young moves in, pushes him back onto her desk, and leans over him.

I love the spectators’ response to this — they both recoil in shock, and Ji-won finally notices that Seung-yeon is in his office. He asks what she’s doing here, but she’s so stunned that she just presses her face to the window dumbly. Ji-won does the same. (Seung-yeon knows that Eun-young is faking this, but she assumes that Jin-soo is unaware of her motives and is reacting accordingly.)

There’s a hilarious pause while Eun-young is leaning over Jin-soo’s torso, practically on top of him, and he tells her to go on. She mutters, “You want me to do it? I pushed you, so you should do it [kiss].” Jin-soo: “What are you talking about?”

This pause has the effect of killing the mood — not that the mood was romantic, per se, but it has been charged with tension as they both waited to see what the other would do. Eun-young’s expression had gone from teasing to questioning, and at his terse response she now becomes serious.

With some anger creeping in, Eun-young tells Jin-soo not to mess around with her life: “You do all these things that I don’t ask for, and then you don’t do what I do ask for. I’m not thankful at all. If you have even a little thought for me, you’d do what I wanted you to. Don’t keep doing things I don’t ask you to do. When did I ever ask you to help me?”

Ooh, banjun. I love when scenes suddenly turn on their heads, and that’s what happens here. The comic uncertainty and jokey tension dissipates entirely, and Jin-soo asks, “So what is it you want from me? A convincing, magnificent kiss?” Their exchange is loaded with meaning — not about the words at all but in the way they say them.

Eun-young (Duh, exactly): “Yeah.”
Jin-soo (challenging): “Yeah?”
Eun-young (matter-of-fact): “Yeah.”
Jin-soo (very interested) “Yeah…”

However, Eun-young’s confidence seems to falter, and her gaze wavers uncertainly, like she’s about to back down and give up on her crazy scheme. Which is when Jin-soo decides, “Then let’s do it my way. I don’t like this way.”

Ji-won and Seung-yeon watch in horror and disbelief as Jin-soo leaps up and clears off all the papers from her desk. Moving with decisive assertiveness, Jin-soo flips around their stances, lowering Eun-young onto the tabletop and leaning down over her, one of her legs bent and raised up by his waist.

Then, Jin-soo gets up to face the window, where he looks tauntingly at Ji-won. He reaches toward his waistline… and pulls out his belt… and pulls the blinds shut. HAHAHAHA.

As soon as he pulls the blinds closed, he’s back to his old self. Putting his belt back on, he points out that it’s more powerful to leave them to their imaginations. Eun-young, however, is just as shocked by his sudden romantic fake-out and takes some moments to recover from its effects.

Ji-won and Seung-yeon are both so stricken by the events that they stagger from the window in a daze.

Jin-soo suggests heading out for something to eat. Eun-young, now recovering her composure, tells him that he’s right and wise — he’s more logical than her. “I understand,” she tells him. She’s referring to his tactic, but it also mirrors her perception of their emotional paths as well — he puts on a good show and comes out of it totally unmoved, while she can’t be that detached.

Jin-soo points out that no matter how worked up she gets over something, she’s always able to return to her original state. Eun-young forces a smile and agrees — that’s her, all right. Coolly, she turns down his dinner invitation, and he heads back to his office.

Once he’s gone, though, Eun-young lies back down on her desk, still feeling all that pent-up anticipation.

When Jin-soo gets back to the office, he tsks-tsks over the silly plan Seung-yeon had worked out with Eun-young. Seung-yeon realizes that this means he was aware that the whole thing was faked, which means that his part was also just as faked. (Her shock came from thinking that Eun-young had made an advance as an act, which he reciprocated in reality.) This is a thought that vastly relieves her — until she recalls with frustration that she shouldn’t feel relieved about that, as he is her boss and et cetera.

A few nights later, Seung-yeon is working at her family’s coffee shop when Dong-wook comes by. He’s happy to see her through the window, but his path is blocked by her curious family, and he has to endure a brief interrogation before he can head inside, answering questions about his family situation. Grandma likes him, although Dad has a few reservations. (Grandma points out that his reservations are unfounded, since Dong-wook is no worse off than Dad himself.)

I wonder if it’s worth noting that Dong-wook appears to be getting sloppier (outside of work) while Eun-young continues to get sharper — her hair is smooth and straight, and her dressing style is becoming more put-together.

Seung-yeon hasn’t been to the office in three days, because Jin-soo had been busy writing and told her not to come until he called. Dong-wook perks up, as this means she has lots of free time, and just as he starts to ask her to a movie, she gets a phone call that cuts him off.

Seung-yeon answers eagerly, hoping it’s Jin-soo calling her back to work, but it turns out to be Hyun-joo. The publishing office is cluttered with birthday presents, and they were hoping she would take them up to Jin-soo’s place. Seung-yeon had been under the mistaken belief that Jin-soo’s “real” birthday was months later and that this was only his “profile birthday.” Of course, it turns out that Jin-soo had lied — she’d been going on and on about throwing him a party, so he picked a different date to shut her up.

Dong-wook tries to ask Eun-young out again, but now she’s distracted by this news, and barely hears him. She decides that the day isn’t over yet, so there’s still time to plan some birthday events. I love that her reasoning isn’t (only) to celebrate his birthday, but to get back at him for lying to her in the first place. Hee. She’s learning!

At the store, she picks up an array of party supplies, choosing items that will most annoy Jin-soo, and heads over with her items of torture. However, Jin-soo looks out the window to see her walking up bearing her festive atrocities, and decides to sneak out before she gets there. He drops by a local convenience store to pick up some snacks, then makes a phone call.

Seung-yeon now has an apartment key so she lets herself in and starts to decorate. When she answers the phone, it’s Jin-soo demanding that she remove every little balloon and party favor immediately. If there’s anything left when he gets back, he’ll fire her. She protests (and despite her desire for a little “revenge,” she really does mean the best), but she senses he means it and glumly starts to collect the decorations.

Jin-soo steps out of the phone booth just as a sudden downpour starts. Without an umbrella and with no particular place to be, he retreats back into the glass booth and pops a beer. Happy birthday to me.

A knock on the glass draws his attention — it’s Eun-young, standing just outside.

She is on her way in, having had a few drinks herself, in celebration of signing a new contract. She tells him to come with her, since she’s got an umbrella, so Jin-soo grabs his plastic bag and starts to leave, but the contents spill out and beer cans fall to the ground.

He kneels to pick them up, while she comments on the oddity of him drinking alone in a phone booth on his birthday, especially considering that he’s a star author with crowds of fans. He thought she’d forgotten his birthday, to which she responds that since he’d prefer that she forget, she has to act the part to oblige him.

Jin-soo likes that about her, in contrast to his dense secretary who insisted on going out to prepare him a birthday party. Eun-young points out that Seung-yeon’s the normal one — it’s Jin-soo who’s abnormal. Eun-young adds that in going out of her way to suit him, that has turned her into another abnormal one: “I can’t buy a present for a friend on his birthday, or tell him congratulations.”

Jin-soo replies that he doesn’t need words of congratulations, “But a present is good. Just give me a present.” He’s happy with that, just as long as it doesn’t come with a birthday card.

At that, Eun-young’s gaze changes — she stares at him more intently as he continues to chat. Then, without warning, she drops her umbrella, steps inside the phone booth, and moves in for a kiss.

COMMENTS

I have gotten questions about a Coffee House novel, which appears to be a different case from Coffee Prince or Personal Taste, where the drama was adapted from a previously published book. It looks like the Coffee House novel — or I’d call it novelization — was published after the drama began to air, and one of the writers is the same writer of the drama. Based on a few reader reviews, the characters are the same but the storyline is a little different. So I wouldn’t go around worrying about what happens in the book version.

However, if you are curious, here are the chapter titles. (Highlight to read; I’m keeping them hidden for those who wish to avoid the spoilers.)

CHAPTERS

1. Meeting at Palace Coffee
2. My enemy, my treasure
3. Love’s emergency landing
4. I’ll become a pro secretary!
5. The Jang Dong-gun and Go So-young of the publishing world
6. Dreams can’t come true
7. 척하면 착!
(This is the thing that Jin-soo tells Seung-yeon, and I don’t have a good direct translation for it. It basically means that if he gives the signal, she should know what to do immediately.)
8. This is Jeju Island
9. Things that change, things that don’t change
10. Ten-year friendship
11. Goodbye, Palace Coffee
Epilogue
END CHAPTERS

It’s funny how I’ve never warmed to Park Shi-yeon before, and suddenly love her. Even after she improved mightily in La Dolce Vita and Story of a Man (as well as several movie projects), she was no longer bad but I still didn’t connect with her. But I find her absolutely endearing, adorable, and winning in Coffee House, and I love her chemistry with Kang Ji-hwan. She banters, teases, taunts, holds herself confidently, and even manages to show glimpses of uncertainty and vulnerability, all with a natural charm.

It’s partly that she’s improved, but also that this role really shows her off to her best advantage. I wonder if she’s one of those actresses whose perceived image and persona are quite different from her real personality, and therefore when she acts in roles that require her to be haughty or glamorous (which is how most people see her), it doesn’t work as well because there’s a disconnect in the acting. But I love her as this character.

As for the chemistry? Off the charts. How hot was that last kiss, huh? But not only that, I particularly dug the fake-out scene, because there were a lot of different layers operating there. There’s the outward “show” to convince Ji-won that they’re romantically involved, and their facade with each other that this is all just a ploy, and that they’re cool and unperturbed by the act. Then there’s a tinge of hope (for instance, in the way Eun-young looks to him when she wants him to kiss her), and then the flash of contained disappointment (when he doesn’t kiss her). I didn’t think this pair would be so well-matched at the beginning of the drama, but I’m a big fan now. And if THIS episode didn’t convince you… well, then, I guess nothing ever will?

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101 Sammj23

June 11, 2010 at 11:41 AM

@ 95- Fan

I love that quote, it' s so beautiful and I agree with it.

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102 m a r a

June 11, 2010 at 11:42 AM

@ lahlita,

uhehe. yeah. i think i'll stick to graphic design. i'm not suited to be a writer. it was a good exercise though in trying to understand the male lead, as opposed to solely focusing on the female ones. i'm not sure i've truly tapped into his persona. i still have my blinders on, and all i'm seeing is a man who needs a personality and behavioral transplant. i trust you'll do a better job representing jin soo's case.

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103 Meix2

June 11, 2010 at 11:43 AM

@98 Stinkerbelle

I hear you. Fingers crossed for more development in the js/sy front.

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104 Miaka-chan

June 11, 2010 at 11:48 AM

@ Fan

“Le savant n’étudie pas la nature parce que cela est utile ; il l’étudie parce qu’il y prend plaisir et il y prend plaisir parce qu’elle est belle.”

C'est parfaitement excellent comme quote. Alors, c'est parfaitement la raison qu'on aime Coffee House. Nous l'aimons Coffee House non pour les couples mais en particulier pour l'histoire et ce qui va arriver. Alors les débats que nous avons ici, gardons les de côté et qu'on savoure chaque moment de la série. Les répliques cinglantes de JS sont les meilleurs MDR....

Que la meilleure équipe gagne!!
bonne chance à tous!! ^^

Mais bon, j'ai déja choisi mon camp alors je reste dans ce camp jusqu'à la fin de la série.

SY/JS Hwaiting!!!

@ 98
Let wait and watch ....we never know.
Sometime it's could be really SY/JS couple !!! hehe ...

the real ending from Coffee House is ....JS end with nobody !! hehe...be happy alone like that ..you don't need to choose ^^

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105 Fan

June 11, 2010 at 12:01 PM

@ maria

You and me both on the kiss-

Pervs of the kdrama world unite! :)

@ Lahlita

I think we're on the same page (puns!), I've seen tons of nonsense written in the name of shipping. A Baidu poster pointed out a pretty outrageous point of view from a fellow poster and then diplomatically commented "... her understanding/perception of the world is certainly... unique."

But I hesitate to define "shippers" as people who warp logic because to them relationship is the central obsession in the drama. I'd like to believe I can be obsessed with a concept, crazed about a story, be wild with enthusiasm about a character or a couple, let it sway my words and actions, and still maintain a basic appreciation of the structure we call logic.

(As an off-topic Its sad for me e.g., that terms like "feminism" have become "shady" because a few high-profile individuals have given a bad name to a very worthy idea.)

But all this is too serious and not as much fun as gaga'ing over the show and JB's recaps, so let's let that discussion take center stage while we all wait, united in deprivation, for our next fix in 3 weeks-

(Nooooooo! Cold turkey sets in....)

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106 m a r a

June 11, 2010 at 12:16 PM

what is Baidu?

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107 pipit

June 11, 2010 at 12:23 PM

No worries Fan. I'm not ashamed admitting I'm rooting for Jin Soo and Eun Young. What could I say I LOVE ROMANCE! FYI I collect novels (romance) and romantic movies/series DVDs.

But loving romance as much as I do, it takes a lot to capture my interests. Lately, I just watched an episode or two of KDrama before dumping them (mostly because they're too predictable thus bore me to death or too shallow/superficial/without substance to engage my jaded romantic heart).

Talking as a romance expert (even if I say so myself) I'd like to point out that the most romantic and memorable scenes are the ones wherein the actors deliver the depth of their feelings without words (just like the lyrics from Ronald Keating's song: you say it best, when you say nothing at all...)

And that's why I'm supporting Jin Soo and Eun Young pairing. I love all the tensions, the undercurrent and subtle hints of love that swirl around them. Now, that the show has somewhat gain my trust by delivering such unexpected and increadible scene (yes, I'm talking about the kissing scene) I'm anxious about how will they move from such poignant scene.

I feel that with extra efforts and thoughts Jin Soo and Eun Young could be made into a legendary couple. Somewhat like Lois and Clark ^-^....

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108 dramacafe

June 11, 2010 at 12:26 PM

@jabaveans

I'm so trying hard to resist watching Coffee House and has been content with your recaps to which I'm so grateful.

Reading this recap, I'm more and more losing my strength to endure and wait for the drama to air it's 9th episode before I begin watching the drama.

It's not that I don't like it as much but that I'll like it too much and waiting for episode 9 will be like waiting for eternity to end. Yeah, I know I'm exaggerating.

Anyways, from the beginning, I had my doubts too about JS-EY but truly in this episode (well, based on the recaps but I'm sure though that my impression of the JS-EY couple will still hold firmly), securely and solidly sold me to JS-EY coupledom.

Again, thanks so much Javabeans for the wonderful recaps!

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109 ambs

June 11, 2010 at 12:42 PM

i'm munching on mangoes and have yet to read all the comments and i'll probably spam it up later.. since it'll be weeks until the next episode

songs that remind me of EY/JS
A Little's Enough - Angel and Airwaves
Goodbye Apathy - One Republic
Live Like We're Dying - Kris Allen

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110 Lahlita

June 11, 2010 at 12:44 PM

@ 105 Fan -- Ah, Fan. The Truth, you speak it! I should have said "The problem arises when a viewer sees a certain relationship-endgame as the ONLY valuable element of a drama." "Primary" is fine. "Only" can lead to a very stunted view. But as you said, let's bring it back down to the realm of Coffee House.

So, um, yeah. The Kiss was HAWT. I'll gladly join the move to Perv Palace. And as @ m a r a said, major points for a passionate kiss being initiated by the woman. More points for having the man be left thunderstruck by the glorious beauty of said Kiss. It's nice to see a kdrama acknowledge that women are fully-formed beings with their own desires, and the ability to act on them when the mood hits.

@ Miaka-chan -- "Que la meilleure équipe gagne!! bonne chance à tous!! ^^"
Hahaha, Miaka-chan, c'est quoi ca? Nous parlons maintenant de Coffee House ou de FIFA? Tu me fais rire. :-) Il me faut dire que moi aussi, j'aime beaucoup Seung-yeon. En fait, j'adore Seung-yeon et j’espère qu’elle deviendra “pro” comme elle veut. Est-ce que la série finirai par lui former un couple avec Jin-soo ou avec Dong-wook. Je n'sais pas. Tout 'ça m'est égal. Mais comme toi, j'adore cette série!

@ 108 dramacafe -- Come to the dark side! We have beautiful ladies, handsome guys, gorgeous drama, and more laughs per minute than you can shake a stick at. That made no sense, but you get it, right?

@ Javabeans -- Thanks again. We say it every time, but I really don't think we can say it enough.

Alright, I'm leaving work early to start my weekend. Later gators! Keep up the good discussions. It's gonna be a looong 2 1/2 weeks.

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111 Citrone

June 11, 2010 at 12:53 PM

One point I want to mention is the use of music(sometimes sound). Especially in the faking scene and even in previous eps, the music changes according to the scene... Like in the faking scene it was creepy in the beginning when EY was leading but then it changed to Tango when JS was leading^^ Like in Eps 6 when SY's brother got at last why manager is there(Tadadad dadaaaaa!!! )...Totally hilarious...

I love how the PD and writers found different ways of humor.

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112 mskololia1

June 11, 2010 at 1:04 PM

@ ambs

My song hits for the JS/EY couple:

I Feel Good by James Brown
Hey, Soul Sister by Train
Nothin' on You feat Bruno Mars

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113 ehzimmerman

June 11, 2010 at 1:05 PM

I notice the hotel room in episodes 7 and 8 of Coffee House is exactly the same as a setting in the SBS K-drama "Lovers in Paris" -- the apartment where the CEO character played by Park Shin Yang lives in Paris. It's the same room, with the same interior design, light fixtures, furniture, TV, everything.

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114 Fan

June 11, 2010 at 1:29 PM

@ 4, 10
Je ne parle pas vraiment de français, je suis désolé! Can catch a drift, know a few quotes, but hope I didn't imply I actually understand, or -heaven forbid- read and write in it! I struggle enough with English, inarticulate in one language is enough for me. :)

@ 6
Baidu- a popular Chinese-language discussion site- including drama discussions, much like soompi for English language readers. Personally I find it a very entertaining forum- very passionate posters who can be hilarious in their stinging sense of humor. Plus they tend to "first movers" on rumours, although that can back fire as well of course.

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115 mskololia1

June 11, 2010 at 1:46 PM

@ ambs

What the hell, here's one more song for the JS/EY couple for when they separate:

Drops of Jupiter by Train

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116 supah

June 11, 2010 at 1:48 PM

Wow! How good is CH getting?
Firstly, I just want to say; I <3 Ji Won! He's such a riot.

I have warmed up to the idea of SY and JS getting together, she's adorkable, but still, EY! Love her to bits, would still love it for her and JS to get together in the end.

And JB is right about PSY, and talents, charisma and high Jin-soo compatibility aside -- just LOOK at her, isn't she just a doll?

PSY and Shin Mina were both 'meh' territory for me, so if PSY has done the impossible and become my omg-girlcrush du jour than maybe Shin Mina can surprise me in My GF is a Gumiho? *fingers crossed* Suddenly I believe in things.

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117 jully moue

June 11, 2010 at 1:57 PM

@106 Hey, Baidu is the name of the popular China's search engine, which itself hosts an abundance of information as well. it should be http://www.baidu.com

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118 Choufy

June 11, 2010 at 2:01 PM

I liked how Episode 8 emphasized EY & JS eternal dance.
(Really, with the couple of dancers sewed on JS's shirt ?
http://butterflai.free.fr/soompi/ey_js.jpg
PD-Screenwriter"s work won my heart with this sort of tiny details)

In the morning JS made one step back (ok sounded more like a 100 miles back but anyway lol) with the announce of his departure.

In the evening EY made one step forward with synopsis n° 3 : she was all over JS. But then she waited feeling that JS wasn't totally into the ride.
Seeing her concern, JS finally decided to lead (let's do it in my style) and made one step forward by acting wild with his EPIC belt move.
EY made one step back, asking JS to leave.

Eventually they met each other again where JS was hidding and waiting.

Interesting to see that they were both in their own protected zone (from the rain/sadness?) : EY under her umbrella, JS in the phone booth. But have you noticed? Even if JS protection zone is way stronger than an umbrella, his space has yet an opened door toward EY.

And so the ultimate dialogue :

JS : I don't like congrats but I like the present. Give me my present.
EY : You would like a present ?
JS : If you don't put in a birthday card, I like present. I just hate those meaningless day of celebrations.

And then EY just went all the way because finally JS was ready to receive her meaningfull gift. (I wish that in an upcoming episode JS would have the courage to step into the rain while embracing EY)

I really thank PD-Screenwiter for ending this episode with EY and JS glancing at each other (totally get that it needed at least 20 takes to convey the right emotion... But where the hell are those damned NGs ? lol)

I had a bitter taste with PT's kiss game over because it was supposed to be a meaningfull act for the two leads and yet it sounded more like I will show you world act.

I am more incline to be touched by lovers moves which deals with intimacy, like here in CH.

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119 firsttimenewbie

June 11, 2010 at 2:06 PM

A few questions and observations/

On Viikii, the coffee house worker's convo with JW in the beginning is translated as "my grandfather." Is he EY's younger brother or cousin?

The part where JS comments on SY's appeal to men. The first part seems like he thinks it in his head, and then it goes to him mumbling about he can understand her sunbae but not DW. It's hard to know for sure because the camera is covering his mouth, but it sounds like a thought at first, and you don't see his lips moving, while the second part you do see his lips moving.

JS asks EY, what her opinion is as not his publisher. Except, she is talking as herself as well. She is simply disguising it as how she as the publisher will have to take it and endure. I'm not so sure he knows it. He probably does. Just the way she says it all, isn't that what she's been doing all this time? Taking it all, enduing his crap, etc etc. I think she saw herself doing the same thing personally as well. He's a lost cause, but she will still just take it and take him back in after he comes back two years later.

Also, a question about Page 7.

When SY says they are a pair, or combination as the translation is given in Viikii, she uses the word "Combi." He repeats it, like "What did you say? Combi? Where did you come up with that?" Or something to that extent.

I couldn't help but notice the similarity between combination and Combi? Is that an English loan word? Obviously there are a lot. But it just seemed to me like he was like somewhat surprised at the word she used. In that she somehow made up her own phrase---Combi, instead of combination.

Of course I could be totally wrong, and it's simply the Korean word for pair. But I was curious.

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120 Miaka-chan

June 11, 2010 at 2:15 PM

@ Lahlita

Sérieusement ma chérie, entre toi en moi, j'aime vraiment la FIFA mdr..
Non, parce que le soccer est un de mes sports favories mais aussi parce que j'en joue aussi. Je suis plutôt garçon manqué peut-être hehe. C'est peut-être à cause de cela que je veux tellement que SY gagne le coeur de JS. Pense un peu, tu crois que le fait que Seung Yeon soit sa secretaire fait d'elle une personne qui ne pourra pas vaincre le coeur de JS. Je te jure ma chérie que le fait que les autres personnes qui commentaient dans les autres recap disaient des méchancetés me mettait en colère. Je crois n'avoir jamais dit de mal de EY/JS couple, mais je protégeais tout le temps le couple de SY/JS.
Tu sais, si tu allais dans soompi, tu comprendrais pourquoi je post autant. C'est vraiment le vibe de EY/JS qui défile carrément dans le topic. Bien entendu, on dirait que je suis la seule dans le topic qui post pour Seung Yeon & Ji Soo. Je ne devrais pas dire épeurant mais wow c'est complètement quelques chose là.
Les gens du coté de SY/JS sont mimi à comparer les gens du coté de EY/JS.
Je me demande toujours pourquoi personne me reply dans soompi. Je sais que mes analyses sont biens et aussi extrèmement convainquantes, mais personnes me reply -.-;; c'est triste mdr. Je voulais tellement quelqu'un qui reply à mes commentaires ...hehe ..ce serait trop drôle. ^^

Je suis bien contente que maintenant les commentaires semblent avoir du sens. Je suis vraiment contente pour ici ETK ^^

On se promet ok!! on regarde Coffee House jusqu'au bout!!!
:hugs:!!!

encore ..que la meilleure des couples gagne!!! hehe
SY/JS HWAITING !!!!!

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121 Choufy

June 11, 2010 at 2:57 PM

Oh ! And may I say HOW MUCH I enjoy seeing SY as a potential writer ? I was SO happy when JS asked her to write several synopsis !
And when EY congratulates SY for her idea I couldn't help but think that one day EY might try to hire her (even if I picture more EY's assistant as her futur publisher ).

And the way the situation just slipt out of her hand (EY & JS tango time), based on what SHE wrote like if her characters just went crazy on her lol Because it happened sometimes when you wrote a story : characters tend to have a life on their own :)

Anyway it would be an uncasual and delightful idea that SY would be the narrator and the witness of a love story which might inspired her after for a book... Just saying ^^

And I don't really get the all EY/JS vs SY/JS when ACTUALLY, the true OTP is : JW & JS of course ! XD

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm96/javabeans122/drama/2010/ch/ch1/ch7-00160.jpg

Don't they CRACK.YOU.UP ?

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122 mskololia1

June 11, 2010 at 3:22 PM

This song is for JS shippers:

I Don't Want to Be by Gavin DeGraw

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123 m a r a

June 11, 2010 at 3:23 PM

sorry to be butting in on your convo, and my french is super sucky, so more than likely, i could have misunderstood some things, but i was intrigued by the wisdom being shared in a non-english discussion.

@ miaki-chan,

my sis used to play soccer, too. she was also a tomboy, but now, she's more girlie than i.

regarding the 2 ships ... trust me, the bashing is not one-sided. the comments regarding EY being paired with JS is just as bad. today, i decided to watch the fake-out scene again and forgot to turn off the discussion on viikii. and people were calling her manipulative, as having a bigger head than jin soo, gross, etc. someone on the viikii thread even made a demeaning comment, saying that SY should end up with JS because she's prettier than EY. what kind of a standard is that for a woman? there are always going to be extremes on both sides; when we lean towards a certain bias, it's difficult to see the ugliness that runs even from our own side. i swear it goes both ways because having read the comments, i noticed that there are as many anti-EY comments as there are anti-SY ones. however, as of late, the hate has tempered a good deal here.

@ lahlita,

so, does that mean that you're more inclined to root for seungyeon? :) i like her a lot, too, but my ideal would be she doesn't end up with either dong wook or jin soo. heh. i'm still all for her becoming a stronger and more self-actualized character, and then, having achieved those, then, i think romance can enter. :) actually, the ship wars had turned me off a bit on any pairing, and i'm keen on having unique drama. though i have one foot tentatively on board the SY/DW pair; as i've said before, their courtship is something more relatable to me.

and i'm with javabeans regarding PSY. this show has her winning me over as an actress. her stint in my girl ruined my opinion of her, but this time, i suddenly love her. i don't think i'm a fan, but i know i'll be able to give her future projects a chance. as for HEJ, i'm looking forward to see her grow as an actress. the fact that yoon eun hye has made a successful crossover gives me high hopes for HEJ. she's showing very good potential to be a good lead. i just hope for her next acting project, her character will be different from SY; that way, she'll hone her skills, and i would simply like to see her in a different skin.

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124 m a r a

June 11, 2010 at 3:32 PM

@ miaki-chan,

this is OT: just curious, which country are you from? japan? by any chance have you seen the movie la boum with sophie marceau? the movie seems very popular in china, japan and korea, hence, i wonder.

@ choufy,

i am so happy you brought that up! i was thinking something similar about seungyeon becoming a writer. she loves to read manhwa, and who knows, she could become a writer ... it could tie in to her narration in the beginning. for all we know, all the episodes could be her recounting the events in her world---her and her acquaintances' experiences.

@ fan and shu,

thanks for answering my question. i've seen the word several times, so, i'm glad i'm no longer in the dark.

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125 Kay

June 11, 2010 at 3:40 PM

Actually a lot of bashing comments were deleted today on Viikii . Thanks for the mods
If you watched it yesterday. It's was really worse.... so rude and immature that piss me off ( especially on EY haters- since their reasons are so lame)
Why can we not enjoy the drama in peace and love ( with analyzing and discussion) insead of bashing and hating

But I came to notice 1 thing ( Am I late?)
I'd say most of EY JS shippers 'd me more likely to be older and more mature than SY JS shppers, as you read all the comments, analysises, discussions , debates and so on.
If we put a poll one age of the shipper, I think it'll show ....
It's just my own opinion, please correct me of I am wrong :)

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126 m a r a

June 11, 2010 at 3:40 PM

@ choufy,

no, you're wrong. the romantic pair are JW and DW! haha. at the movies, DW was giving JW death glares because JW could have blown their cover as lovers! ;) but JW only tagged along that date because he wanted to make sure his man DW was behaving himself. :P

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127 sleepy

June 11, 2010 at 3:51 PM

@ mara...don't you mean JS, not JW? :P. But yea, it's obvious that it's DW & JS that's the pair. I mean, DW is a expert coffee maker. JS is a coffee snob. HELLO!

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128 firsttimenewbie

June 11, 2010 at 3:53 PM

@mara
I actually would kind of love it if none of them ended up with each other, but just grew as people. In that we see a chapter or two out of all their lives, their experience and how they were molded and shaped during that time. Isn't that what happens in real life? But I don't think that's going to happen.

Also a word about the books. I don't see why SY shippers would want the books to be so telling that the ending will be JS/SY. If that's the case, it's a reason for JS/SY shippers to be worried. And JS/EY shippers to be more optimistic and hopeful.

Miaka-Chan mentioned it in the last post. That just heightens the chances that it *won't* end up that way in the actual drama.

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129 m a r a

June 11, 2010 at 3:55 PM

@ kay

actually, i don't think all the bad comments on the fake-out scene have been erased. i just watched it a few moments ago. i forgot to turn off the discussion and unfortunately, saw the snark, calling EY dirty and manipulative. i don't imagine all the nasty comments are going to be deleted. i think the best way is to turn off the discussion. besides, those comments are a distraction. before i learned about the discussion off button, i found myself reading the comments rather than the subs. it drove me nuts.

like i told miaki-chan, when one is tending to lean on a certain side, it makes it hard for that person to be aware of the same immaturity and harshness that runs along his own side. i think both ships have their bad apples and i don't expect the harsh comments are ever going to go away, but i've seen the bad be balanced out by some intelligent and mature talk (on both sides). i think both ships have their good and their bad. to me, the ships are equal.

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130 Snikki

June 11, 2010 at 3:55 PM

@116 supah

I was just gonna say that I'm totally girl-crushing on PSY! I can't believe I have more interest in her than KJH. I've followed her many faces, and still love her no less. She has a certain charisma that has captured me more than her beautiful face; and of course she can also act...hehe.

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131 m a r a

June 11, 2010 at 3:56 PM

@ sleepy

umm ... yeah, yeah, that's what i meant. hahaha. my bad. damn initials! i edited my post 3 times and still managed to miss the biggest mistake! but yes, JS AND DW FOR THE WIN! woohoo. haha.

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132 m a r a

June 11, 2010 at 4:06 PM

@ firsttimenewbie,

yeah, i'm kind of with you on everybody being single and grow from their experiences, but since it's a kdrama, it would be asking a lot to eliminate any romantic aspect.

is there even solid proof that the book ends with a JS/SY pairing? having seen the chapter titles leads me to believe that the book is incomplete and that there is a second installment. and i've only heard of one person making that claim about the book's ending while the others, not having read the book themselves, readily believed the claim. ah well. this book has been a pain. i'm just going to ignore its existence. so far, the writer, director and actors have delivered a quality show, so, i'm putting my faith in them.

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133 ambs

June 11, 2010 at 4:12 PM

@snikki my favorite was when she stuck out her tongue when "seducing" him then widened one eye slightly like hmmmmm =]

@kay if i were to agree that would be generalizing but i'm bias so whateverrr i honestly think that could be part of it for a lot of shippers for SY/JS. i guess it would be that some people in the teenage category would be pulled more towards the typical appeal of kdramas like SY/JS. honestly i wanted to scratch my eyes out during boys over flowers and you're beautiful. but i'm 20 so i guess i'm in between age categories..? :P i've read arguments SY/JS and i feel like it's either embellishment on how SY is "changing" JS or that EY is a b*tch which i laugh at. but i've read plausible arguments and do see why some people would want SY/JS, but i'm still all for EY/JS.

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134 firsttimenewbie

June 11, 2010 at 4:17 PM

@mara, oh no. I'm not saying they definitely did give away the ending.

Just that based on the rumor, or misinterpretation, people shouldn't be all happy or sad. Like even *if* that rumor is true and the book gives it away (which like you said seems to be a rumor/misunderstanding based on flimsy evidence), I don't see it as being a good thing for JS/SY.

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135 bluebird

June 11, 2010 at 4:42 PM

@firsttimenewbie

- yes, he is a EY's cousin.
- all of lines were mumblings, not thoughts in his head.
- combi is a common Konglish for partner/buddy.

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136 Nano

June 11, 2010 at 4:44 PM

i'm really digging this. i entered thinking that jin-soo, although slightly different from the usual mister darcy character, would eventually have to show his "true" side to seung-yeon, the usual bubbly drama character, because he falls in love and eun-young would be the usual villain, etc. thank god they've deviated away from the usual storylines.

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137 Miaka-chan

June 11, 2010 at 4:45 PM

@ Choufy

hehe dear it's seem you be also here ^^ it's me yes miaka !! from soompi you recommend you a lot drama ^^. Also agree with you about JS/JW couple or JS/DW couple !!! Did you read my fic from soompi ^^

@ m a r a

I trust you dear!!! about each ship we fighting ^^. But i mean in Soompi, they have too much EY/JS shipper than SY/JS shipper. In a same time, here for the other recap, mean comment to SY/JS couple was really rude o.o. You did read some comments and agree with me for sure about people write SY is a kid or SY is a niece and JS is a uncle. People don't understand about the different age they have is only 7 years!
SY is 25 year old, JS is 32 year old, EY is 31 year old and JW is 36 year old.
I don't know in viikii ^^ but in soompi, the people who said if this serie end with SY/JS, i stop watch right now Coffee House. Same here in the old recap, do you think is a bit child to write that?.

I'm be SY/JS shippers, I will proclaim i will continue to watch Coffee House at the end. Plus, because my contact in all other forum, i will use my power to make everyone watch Coffee House ^^. Do you think i can...but the true is i can LOL.
[joke ...maybe hehe ^^ ]

What country i'm ...hehe ..this a popular question people keep ask me ^^;; why..because i speak a lot language ^^;; Just one tip ...
Anne of Green Gables country ^^. Yes i do speak japanese, chinese, french, khmer, english...i do learn korean and thai also currently
Be in anime for 20 year, fansub ^^ i'm sure people know me and compagnie -.-;;
Be in drama also for long time, fansub and everything like that ..people know me
-.-;; also.
About the movie with Sophie Marceau, oh! yes ..you want it ? i can find for you ^^
i find already the link. Tell me if you want the link ! hmm..i shouldn't post here the link ..send to me a pm in Soompi.

well let's just have a fun to watch

@ kay

dear i think i'm really really really more older than you ^^;;
for the age really ..i'm more older SY age
Are you mean here in dramabeans or soompi or viikii for the mean comments from SY/JS shippers?

Because if you said it's here the comments ...seem you accuse me to be ''immature'' to post a child analyses here. Because i'm the only here to expose the fact i'm SY/JS shippers ^=^;; hehe well that ok if you really think all my comments are immatures....

If you isn't me you want to said who keep write immatures comments so then thank for understand and accept to read my analyses here ^^

Well it's your comment and i take is your opinion. ^^

JW/JS VS JS/DW then? hehe

let's enjoy Coffee House everyone together!!

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138 Miaka-chan

June 11, 2010 at 5:15 PM

adding also
I can said one thing!!

I'M NOT HAPPY at all when someone said they have a novel and SY/JS is the final couple.
In a same time I'M SY/JS SHIPPERS so why i'm not happy with that. o.O

explication!!

many reasons
First: novel and kdrama serie. PD can end the serie different from the novel. So that is really bad for SY/JS to be announce like that to be the couple...

Second: my feeling inside. I'm not happy at all if that is true. My poor imagination could be in vegetable stade. I want a slow love between the OTP, like right now we have a possibility to have a slow love for SY/JS couple.

Third: hateful comments and poor the other shippers for EY/JS. They seem devasting so i'm be sad for them and also i want they keep watch Coffee House until the end. This new would kill the feeling to watch Coffee House and that i don't want it. If it's like that, where is going all my analyses. My analyses where i did break my head to analyses in soompi ...it's was scary o.o LOL and also comments from the EY/JS shippers who feeling down bashing to us SY/JS shippers ...[hate a war so please let's me outside from that] so no sorry i don't want it.

there have a lot reason but if i put all it's too long
also if you want to read why SY/JS should be together and my analyses ^^ go read in soompi. I do write some here. but is only a really small analyse. ^=^

BTW Javabeans; could you translate each MV from EY and SY ^^
I do the the analyse from the translation i got from soompi but i dunno if the translation i got is the good one. So my analyses isn't good until i have the good translation.

Let's enjoy Coffee House everyone ^^

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139 labchick

June 11, 2010 at 5:27 PM

@ Miaka chan

Wow you're so talented..so many languages. And I agree with you, not all SY-JS shippers are young or immature. In fact, one of the reasons I like SY is that she is mature in spite of being young, can't say the same for JS though =P

P.S. Your analyses on soompi always make me smile, even though I have almost no hope that its a JS-SY ending

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140 xylophonic

June 11, 2010 at 5:33 PM

The thing I dislike about Vikii and their discussion in the videos is that the writers seem extremely shallow and vapid sometimes. I was watching Personal Taste on Vikii and I was new to it so I didn't know how to turn off the discussion at first. Quite seriously, it almost turned me away from the drama (until I found out I could turn it off). They seem to be completely unable to see deeper than the initial impression of the episode, instead spewing out whatever vitriol they have for InHee or Changryul or whatever. (Mostly InHee did deserve it, but at the end where she and Kae-in have their last scene, I thought those kinds of comments were totally uncalled for). I have the impression that some of these people see what they want to see, whether it be Eunyoung being a manipulative bitch or whatever.

As for the age group ship thing, I rather think that I'm for JS/EY (mostly) is because I'm personally super tired of the cliche bumbling, naive heroine ending up with the guy. I don't think it would necessarily be an age thing, because I myself am under 20, but maybe your experience with kdramas, like depending on how many times you've had to sit through a cliched pairing?

And though people would argue that EY and JS is a cliche pairing too, I find myself disagreeing with that. Maybe I haven't watched enough 'good' dramas (xD) but usually when the main couple are friends for a long time before the romance, they usually don't have such an arduous history between them, and not nearly as many layers in the interaction that Eunyoung and Jinsoo have. I have the feeling this will give way to lots of angst, but unlike contrived angst where one person is being noble or whatever and causes pain to both of them (which we mostly think is completely unnecessary), there's this history between the two that have been biting at their heels for years. WIth this most recent development I think we'll be seeing some surfacing issues.

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141 sleepy

June 11, 2010 at 5:36 PM

@ kay & miaka
I suppose it's not so much of a "age" issue as an issue of what type of romance the viewer seeks to watch. I consider myself a "rationalist" in real life, but I become a "hopeless romantic" when it comes to drama--that is, I always find myself attracted to the more dysfunctional relationship.

A lot of the arguments for the SY/JS pairing I see seems to be based on the idea that JS is always "happier" when he is with SY and he doesn't carry a burden. The nature of the relationship is more lighthearted and simple--which tends to be associated more with innocence and naivety--which makes us think of it as being geared towards "younger" populations. But it is in fact, not necessarily be true. They just happen to prefer the more jubilant relationship (SY/JS) as compared to the more dysfunctional and complicated one (EY/JS). And, of course, each individual will have their own reasons.

However, at the same time, there are a lot of people who ship SY/JS simply because they are T-ARA/Eun Jung fans. Not to say older folks can't be fans of idol (groups), but let's face it...those groups are geared more towards the younger population (and perverted old men...j/k). So, I think that also skews the perception of the ages of the SY/JS fans.

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142 m a r a

June 11, 2010 at 5:36 PM

@ firsttimenewbie,

thanks for the clarification *thumb up*

@ miaki-chan

you're from canada? cool. i love anne of green gables. i've never read the books, but i am a fan of the miniseries. once in a while, my sis and i will watch the DVDs. it was a well-made adaptation.

and thanks for the offer, but i have la boum. :) i finally found one (with english subs) on ioffer.com last year, after years of searching. gosh, sophie marceau was just gorgeous. she still is, but my goodness, her beauty at such a young age was so unbelievably exotic. and for her first film ever, she had a natural flare for acting.

so you're a polyglot? i frackin' envy you! haha. and i have to admire you for having the motivation to learn.i wish i had the same drive. now i wonder about your heritage??? me, i speak about 2.5 languages. haha. well, i'm fluent in tagalog and of course, english. while i'm fil-am, i also have chinese and spanish blood; in fact, spanish is all my grandma and her siblings ever speak. unfortunately, not even 5 years of learning spanish in school has helped me. i never practiced, but i can understand enough and get by with a (very) simple conversation. i took a year and a half of french in college, but again, i never practiced. i ditched class all the time. haha. however, i know the basics and i can understand some things, especially if i'm reading the words instead of listening to them. i wish i can master as many languages as you. i'm always amazed at people who do.

i can understand your frustration at those who bring up the age difference as an argument against SY and JS. i don't think the age thing matters at all that's why i don't bother addressing it. it's not like SY's a teenager. heh. however, i think some posters aren't feeling the romantic vibe between them. they compare the vibe to the relationship of that of a brother and sister or a sister and uncle, wherein there is a good relationship and interaction, but they just don't get a romantic aura from the pair. i think that's what those posters were driving at. i don't think they meant that it would be taboo for the two to get together. i don't think they meant any real harm by the comparison. i guess they just see their relationship as more platonic rather than romantic. they see that they can have a good working relationship and a friendship but don't see it going beyond that. on the one hand, even after episode 8, some people still don't see the chemistry between EY and JS. it's basically the same argument against SY and JS: they can see EY and JS having a friendship but not a romantic one. for some people on either ship, they're still going to be colored by their bias.

and i hope there won't be any conflict between you and kay. i don't think she was targeting you specifically. she may have been responding to my post to you. i've seen her make a similar comment on viikii. she means well but she was just generalizing, which honestly, isn't constructive at all. no offense, kay, but it's just a friendly opinion :)

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143 cathy

June 11, 2010 at 5:40 PM

agree Dramabeans , i like KJH and PSY in this drama , great chemistry and funny .

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144 maria

June 11, 2010 at 5:43 PM

@miaka-chan
i feel a little voyeuristic for reading your french conversation, but you can't post en francais and not expect people to notice, right? teehee i'd never seen anyone rant away about a korean drama in french before, so that was a real trip. thanks. :)
that said, i think i feel your pain, just with regards to the replies on soompi... people really do get heated up there. that's why i just lurk on soompi, coz i'm afraid of saying something and stepping on a landmine. lol. mind you, i'm supporting ey-js lol! but i do see you around soompi, and i get how you would feel that way. if it counts at all, je pense que tes analyses etaient convainquantes... but you have to admit that ey-js makes sense too, yunno? maybe that's why that ship is growing and growing :)
i'm an ey-js shipper, but let me say, at least, 'miaka-chan hwaiting!!' don't let the soompi trolls get you down :) ... and, well, if our ships go down, at least we still have fifa ;)

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145 ika

June 11, 2010 at 5:50 PM

great review from you...
i wonder where i can download coffee house novel..
i'm dying to know the ending whether kang ji hwan end up with the t-ara eunjung or park siyeon...
just please let me know...
however keep up the good work..

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146 maria

June 11, 2010 at 6:00 PM

@m a r a
hey, filipina! i didn't know :) if you wanna learn languages, people don't actually know, but there are so many good language programs here in the metro!! you should totally go for it! ;)

@ supah
i loled so hard at 'suddenly i believe in things' wahaha just coz-- i feel th same way about shin minah and (formerly) park shi yeon. but i was always going to give mgiagumiho a try, coz i can't resist me some lee seung gi!!! ;) lol

@fan
yeah, you and me on perv street, perv-ville, perv-landia! lol, but seriously, i know we're not replaying the kiss scene over and over coz of pervy reasons, man.. that was full on stellar acting! the least i can say for my voyeurism is that that kiss freakin brings me back to a place where i remember that kisses were always silent words. and this kiss wass so multilayered, that extracting the message out of it is just the funnest task ever! i hear it, man.. i hear it loud and clear!! :)

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147 Kay

June 11, 2010 at 6:03 PM

@ 137:
Oh no Miaka-chan , I didnt meant you and your posts!
Please dont take it personal
And I said MOST, not ALL... and comments and discussions I 'd refer to mostly on Viikii and some Soompiers But I have read and discussed with many convicing posts and analysis from SY JS shippers myself ( yours are included _ I was thao_2512 in soompi). But that was the impression I got from most of unreasonable bashing and rudeness

Yet, shippers= bias lol haha ( most of the time)
so I guess we really cant help it sometimes lol
But I am sure we all enjoy the ride together peaceful here

@ 133- ambs:
Yeah, call me bias, that 's how I see it too and I am one of the YB addict too but I am all for EY JS here

@129-Mara: Really I watched earlier and I lot of they ( no all) were deleted but I guess they could add it in. and I agree totally with you on the shipping thing- both have their good and bad

What made me think like that?
I may want to make it a bit clearer here
Again, I am NOT refer to All shippers, but this is my personal observation ( this site comments is exception- you guys are too smart to be immature lol)

They are people ( teenager or not) who are into and expecting traditional dramas without giving too much thought for it. ( like TK-MN in YB but we dont have HY here so it'd be another story .... but a lot of them dont realize it and call EY b**ch, ugly and so on since she 's not the poor girl)

Or they simply just enjoy ( like we do too) how hilarius, cute and spontaneous interation b/w SY and JS grow as a couple throught bickering which will ( as usually expected) change JS character later on and realize... Oh, this is true love

Another reason I said so is EJ ( SY charater) is the leader to Kpop Idol group, most of her fans 'd be young too and ( most likely) decided to watch this drama just for her and support her only. ( So if she 's not the main lead , they will be disappointed and grow to dislike the other girl )

Last but not least, I think the hate for PSY was huge ( just because she was once Eric gf , lol, and also My girl- popularity - post-affect), so many can't accept and see how much she grew as an actress YET. Silly and immature, isnt it? I just feel bad for the girl
I hope I make it clear why I said it but again, I could be bias too lol
And I am sure not All shippers are like that , but many of them did gave me the impression

Just my own opinion so please dont be offended !
Thanks

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148 Kay

June 11, 2010 at 6:17 PM

@ sleepy:
Thank you!!!
You basicly spoke words out of my mouth but only make it better
When did you run into my mind? J/k
But that how I thought of it too

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149 Miaka-chan

June 11, 2010 at 6:29 PM

@ labchick

thank dear :HUGS: !!! i'm really happy you do like my analyse in soompi ^^. Seriously, i was the only one who was for SY/JS shippers in soompi [who proclaim it yes], but after i keep post some analyses, my fellow shippers came to help with a good analyses!! Before, I was make a vibe like [help o.o i'm the only one who keep the ship o.o no one want to help me to keep this ship or i'm die alone o.o] and wow o.o they finally appear in Soompi because my call. I was surprised. Some told me they are ''secret'' shipper [that so cute ^^], some told me they in invisible mode or hide position, that also cute but they exist. That ok for me to break my head to continue to analyses ^^. Let's just analyses that is fun enough for me to try to understand what PD want to do with the plot. hehe

PD you make us raving like a fools on this Earth but don't worry, you make us a happy fools to try to understand what you want to do hehe

@ xylophonic

We are each clans a cliché couple. EY/JS and SY/JS. There are both a cliché and some keep said that SY/JS is a PURE cliché kdrama serie. For me to watch TVB serie from my younger days, like LOCH or ROCH [old version with Felix or with Andy] to now, be drama fanatique also a wuxia fanatique, I must to tell you, you have a long long way to go about the cliché ^^. But take your time, if you want recommendation ask me, i mostly have all hehe ....

@ sleepy

Dysfunctional and complicated one, LOVE this two terms ^^
I do agree with you about be SY/JS shippers, i do choose this couple because they more ''light'' relationship. But I did choose this couple more about the funny scene they have make me laugh so much ^^. Also i don't think this PD want to make a sad dramatique serie. We have a PD who make FULL HOUSE and like i keep write in soompi, this is a second ''HOUSE'' serie he make. If some people do watch Full House, the relation between Young Jae and Eun Ji is also a same bashing relationship LOL. Young Jae love his old friend ..and tralala...
But again someone in soompi told me this serie feel like ''The Man Who Can't Get Married''. So well i need to watch my version from ''The Man who can't get married'' first. I do like T-ara song but i'm not fans of them [but i'm fan for Davichi ^^] but i do like Eun Jung acting. They have many indication or sign in the episodes that make me feel really is SY/JS couple. It's like a mystery novels ......REALLY COFFEE HOUSE IS A MYSTERY NOVEL where we need to find indication to find who in the OTP. ^^

copy paste from what i write in soompi ^^

Do everyone remember the cat story ^^

EPISODE 2 CREDIT TO HARU2SUBS TRANSLATION

JS- Do you know why I'm not using the pencil you sharpened when it's similar
JS- Because it's similar
SY- Pardon?
JS- It has to be the same, not similar
JS- What good is it if it's similar to a wild cat? It's not a cat living in the wild.
JS- A domestic cat that's 99% like a wild cat is still a domestic cat.
JS- You want to become pro.
JS- If you decide to lie, you should lie perfectly.
JS- I can consider that as a pro as well.

I don't know why but this part really really really really catch me !!!!!!!
Do i need to explain ^^ or can you all see what i mean.....
EY is similar to JS ...everyone know about it but he will not take her because it's too much similar. It's as to be same but not similar. SY is a same like JS.

Really need someone who can help me to analyse this part ...
SAME vs SIMILAR ...isn't really too much same.
I do know SY can do his pencil now ..so she can be a same like him
Can EY do a same pencil like SY ...hm....it's hard to understand ....

Also the part for lying ^^ can you see ...it's with the SY MV ...
She will lie to him to hiding her feeling. So she will become ''pro'' ? dunno...hehe

Let's enjoy Coffee House to find a sign ...hehe ...
it's really fun you know to rewatch the same episode 8 times to analyses LOL =.=;;
i'm still in episode one guess o.o to find more underground theories hehe