This week in Beans of Wisdom
by javabeans
This week in Beans of Wisdom…
We start with an exchange from last week’s Wise Beans, in which browngoldeyes shared in comment #15:
Re: the unrealistic expectations…
As a single girl surrounded by happy, coupled off friends, I’ve often felt some sort of way after watching a really, really happy K-drama. Often, it’s led to a few days’ worth of a breakdown. This may sound really bad, but if you understand the fact that I have chronic depression and anxiety and sometimes worry about how lonely and isolated I currently am (lots of long distance friends and family and very little close enough to see and hang out with often), it makes a little more sense.
I remember breaking down in tears after My Princess of all things – I know, I know – because I was sure that there is no one out there for me and perhaps watching dramas is giving me a superficial expectation for men and that’s why I’m still single. Add the whole half-Asian (Desi) aspect to it and aunts clucking over my still being an old maid, and it’s a real hodgepodge of insecurity.
Pogo replied:
I’m full Indian and I hear you on the aunts clucking over being an old maid!
But I think having a supportive immediate family makes all the difference, as does enjoying singledom. Being paired up for its own sake isn’t going to get you the love you deserve, and there’s a lot to be said for enjoying the freedoms that come with being single.
I love dramas and absolutely believe in the good drama love stories as I watch them, but in many ways it’s like reading about magic in Harry Potter – I absolutely believe in the existence of the wizarding world while I read, but once the last page is turned, I know very well it’s not real.
In “SBS replaces Deal with thriller Wanted, courts Kim Hyun-joo,” Cozybooks quipped (#8):
Haha it sounds like KBS and SBS can’t agree to let the other beat them at anything–winning big or failing hugely.
“We don’t have a lead actress for our June drama!”
“Oh yeah? Well we don’t have ANY actors for our June drama! Take that, KBS!”
v added:
Even in failure the competition is strong.
In “Oh Snap! Shin Mina finds the secret to eternal youth and doesn’t share,” mary had an answer (#3):
The secret is livers.
Om nom nom.
shinayame had an interesting thought in “Entourage remake in talks to add f(x)’s Amber to cast” at #8:
I like Amber, and I liked the one song of hers that I’ve heard, but I can’t really see her as a convincing actor. I think it’s because, from what I’ve seen of actors at home, people with strong personalities, like Amber, run the risk of having those personalities overwhelm their role and so they end up coming across as themselves more than the character they’re supposed to be playing. Which is okay, if the character they’re playing is close to how they are in real life, but could become a potential train wreck if they can’t handle roles more complicated than that.
In the same vein, I really want to know, do companies encourage their idols to take up acting as the next step? is it like a mandatory thing, to push them into as many alternatives as possible and hope one sticks? Because you would think, considering people audition to get into a company, that a company would know what their talent is or isn’t capable of.
Denz offered an answer (#8.3):
do companies encourage their idols to take up acting as the next step?
In my opinion, Idol life is quite short if you are not able to make your individual name out of it, so they need to find another work inside the entertainment business.
A young group with new energy come every month and they can replace your place within a year so just being idol will not gonna be last longer except you really excel in that department and has super loyal fandom.
As a performer, there actually quite a limited occupation they can try outside the singing and become the producer. They can be MC in talks show, doing a variety show and acting.
Why many Idol try acting? It just like why they try to be MC and cast in variety, it’s to make them alive in the entertainment business when their Idol status can’t hold them anymore.
Even now, many actor/actress in abundant in variety show like Real Man or in talk show panel as regular or nor, do vacation reality show, appear in the show they don’t usually came when they think they can’t just act forever.
TL;DR : imo it bc entertainment industry always find a way to replace the entertainer, so people who fit better and always usable will last longer.
In “Park So-dam confirms taking the lead in Beautiful Mind,” Andrea remarked on the recent age-gap-in-dramas debate at #9.2.4:
I think a younger actress/much older actor pairing is much more viscerally disturbing than the reverse scenario.
The young actress/old actor pairing is worrying because it replicates and validates an unequal, harmful power dynamic that we see all too often in real life.
In real life, men as a gender have more power (political, financial, institutional) than women as a gender. This state of affairs is, in fact, why noona-romances are such a popular genre: they pre-situate the woman in a position of more power by dint of her age, and the relative novelty of the dynamic makes for good television. Noona-romances are popular because of the fact that it’s somewhat unrealistic to see a man and a woman in a relationship where the woman holds a more powerful position. Noona-romances are wish-fulfillment for female watchers — not just because us 30+ year-old ahjummas enjoy seeing a hot young actor on our TVs, but because it is wish-fulfillment to see a female character treated as the person in the couple with more power. That so rarely happens in real life, whether in a romantic coupling or in the public sphere.
The so-young-as-to-be-a-minor actress/old-enough-to-be-your-uncle actor pairings, in contrast, are the media’s reflection of poisonous, unequal, pervasive power dynamic that we know all too well. It’s the story of the gross older man using his cultural power and comparatively longer life experience to manipulate and control a much younger woman. It’s the story of women being told by a patriarchal society that their most important assets are their youth, looks, and sex-appeal: you’d better capitalize on these while you have them, ladies, because once you hit 30 (25? 22?), they’re gone, and you have nothing left to offer. A pairing like this does nothing to upend or challenge societal expectations, and is solely a reflection of the desires of the people in power (hint: older men!). That’s why comparing noona-romances to these current age-disparate pairings is an inaccurate comparison: it’s an apples-to-oranges comparison when set against the background of the power dynamics in the societies that create this media.
If women had the institutional power that men currently have and ran film and other media industries — really ran them from the top down, the way that men do — do you honestly think we’d be seeing teenage actresses made up to look “more mature” paired with middle-aged men? Doubt it.
ObsessedMuch said in “Lee Jong-seok joins the cameo parade in Gogh’s Starry Night” (#6):
“It’s like six degrees of Lee Jong-seok up in here. With only one degree.”
That is surprisingly similar to my journey into kdrama land. I went to a show for one actor and found another there, for whom I went to another drama, and in turn fell in love with another there. This kind of chain reaction is what is the most exciting part of korean dramas for me personally.
For me it was Lee Min Ho—> Kim Woo Bin—> Lee Jong Seok—> Seo In Guk
—> Park Bo Gum.And this is just a branch of the long tree. It includes actresses, character actors, etcetera.
chi:
haha, I love how I can immediately piece together your watch history by reading your comment xD
And YY finishes off this round with this response (referencing Taec’s casting in Bring It On, Ghost, as a character originally written to be a teen) at comment #25 of “Kwon Yul in talks to join Bring It On, Ghost”:
Bring It On, Ghost is about a teenager who can see and touch ghosts. However, the teenager ages physically each time he drives out a spook, to the point that the teenager now resembles a 27-year-old man with abs.
I hope this helps.
If only!
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1 omegawau
May 7, 2016 at 12:32 PM
What are we really doing when we are commenting on a post about comments?
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requiemfortimewellwasted
May 7, 2016 at 12:41 PM
what am I really doing when I am commenting on a comment on commenting on a post about comments??
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Orl
May 7, 2016 at 1:03 PM
What am I really doing when I am commenting on a comment of a comment on commenting on a post about comments ?
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ywcnois
May 7, 2016 at 1:39 PM
...just.. commenting?
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requiemfortimewellwasted
May 7, 2016 at 2:09 PM
exactly :)
Kestrel
May 7, 2016 at 3:35 PM
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Andrea
May 7, 2016 at 5:57 PM
LOL
MaryAnn
May 7, 2016 at 6:41 PM
No comment!
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grasyaaaaaa
May 8, 2016 at 3:33 AM
Commentception
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ševča
June 15, 2016 at 2:00 PM
Call it new definition of boredom.
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2 abseoklutely
May 7, 2016 at 1:04 PM
It's commentary inception.
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Link
May 7, 2016 at 5:55 PM
This is what I love about DB. The community here has grown so much that we're even commenting about comments on a post about comments. It's totally random, unrelated to the dramas/k-news that we come here for but we've stayed not just for the dramas but also the beanies. It's a wonderful thing, DB. Thanks for creating this site for us to channel our addictions in a healthy fashion and .. well.. sometimes even contribute to it!
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3 cozybooks
May 7, 2016 at 1:14 PM
Thanks!
I totally agree with Pogo on the being single bit:
"Being paired up for its own sake isn’t going to get you the love you deserve"
Is so true. The best advice I ever received was to not settle simply because "that was the best I would be able to do, probably." I'm not saying I buy into the media 'perfect man' either, but getting together for the sake of it won't give you what you're looking for: real connection and love. Thanks for the post too, it gives me a fast track to some of the more interesting threads throughout the week!
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Jennifer Calabrese
May 7, 2016 at 2:01 PM
I'd much rather be alone than be with the wrong person- 39 and single...I'm not settling or settling down!!
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Andrea
May 7, 2016 at 5:54 PM
I'm in the same boat: I'm 31 and single, and I too do not want to settle for anything less than truly awesome when it comes to romance.
I think one of the things that has made it easier for me to be happy in my singledom is that I don't get any pressure from family or friends to settle down. I know that is a luxury that many folks don't have, and I'm so sorry for those of you who are struggling against it. Please know that there is nothing "wrong" with you if you are past some arbitrary age and still single.
My feeling is that the cocktail of romance, physical attraction, and friendship needed to create and sustain a truly fulfilling life-long, monogamous relationship is not easy to find. Many of us had not found it, simply because that's a pretty tall order to fulfill even though we don't live inside a K-drama. If you haven't found your person yet, there is nothing wrong with you, and folks who badger you about finding that person are doing you -- and your relationship with them -- a disservice.
The other thing that made it possible for me to be truly happy as a Single Lady (believe me, I didn't always enjoy being single) was creating a life for myself that I genuinely love. I am never lonely because I have surrounded myself with friends and family; I am never bored because I have a wide range of interests; I don't despair because I have a dream (nursing school!) and I am working toward it. My life is busy, happy, and fulfilling, and if I find My Person, he or she is going to be pretty awesome, simply because I'm not interested in settling for someone who is less awesome than the rest of my life. Knowing that gives me some hope on the days when I feel a little down about being single.
Good luck to all Beanies, whatever your love life looks like. If you're in a relationship, I hope it's full of happiness, respect, and amicable compromise. If you're looking for a relationship, I wish you luck in the pursuit and happiness in the finding. And if you're single and not looking, I send you a knowing nod of recognition and wish you happiness in pursuing whatever brings you joy.
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Rj
May 7, 2016 at 6:06 PM
I so much liked your comment, I'm single, used to be pressured from my mom to get married you know in India its big deal to get married before you cross the 30 + border but after my arranged relationship went down the drain she started understanding me and now supports me for whatever decision I want to take about dating. She even teases me that where can she find guys similar to those kdrama actors over whom I squeal so much....lol. Life is all about staying firm about whatever you decide about yourself. Fellow beanies I wish we can cross these society barriers and find what we want for ourselves.
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Andrea
May 7, 2016 at 6:18 PM
That's so true, Rj, and I'm really proud of you that you did so, even in the face of a lot of pressure to do otherwise. Rj, hwaiting! ^_^
I'm also really proud of your mom for coming around and not pressuring you to date people you don't want to date. I bet you're both a lot happier. And I love how she wants to find a k-drama actor of her own: she's got good taste! ;)
lfused
May 8, 2016 at 4:24 PM
it's good that your mom came to understand you better, it sucks what you went through though.
I honestly hope that guys realize they have to step up their game. To be honest, both sides need to step up their game because I have friends who aren't even able to take care of themselves and they want to date/marry.
Dramalava
May 7, 2016 at 7:10 PM
Just wanted to say I appreciate your thoughtful comments Andrea!
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Andrea
May 7, 2016 at 9:20 PM
Thank you, that is very kind of you. ^_^
I enjoy commenting on this site so much. This community is such a great one. We're polite, interested in each other, and always willing to look deeper into our favorite media. It makes interacting on this site such a pleasure!
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
May 7, 2016 at 11:20 PM
A++ comment.
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fayyyy
May 8, 2016 at 2:05 AM
@Andrea,thank you for the thoughts out there.Apparently kdramas and the sources of kdramas lol, both help in healing.
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vongole
May 8, 2016 at 11:20 AM
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lfused
May 8, 2016 at 4:27 PM
Great outlook on life Andrea! I honestly hope to get to the point where you're at. Self love is really hard to obtain and it's scary thinking about how many people look to dating and marriage for comfort/happiness when they can't manage to love themselves first.
Good luck with nursing school. It's a hard path but if you have good support, anything is possible.
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MaryAnn
May 7, 2016 at 6:43 PM
Go girl!
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Grapes
May 8, 2016 at 9:00 AM
I am not single but i see nothing wrong with being single it's actually has its own benefits, nothing is perfect in life being a single or not each has both sides good or bad
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Enz
May 9, 2016 at 4:37 AM
I'd rather be alone than wish I was alone ~ Enz
I'd rather be lonely alone than be lonely while being with someone ~ enz
My take on this has always been that being married should never be a solution for any problem. Esp loneliness. Looking for the right person while lonely is equivalent to shopping for food when hungry. Always a mistake.
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4 fayyyy
May 7, 2016 at 1:17 PM
Wow,the first comment surely made me reflect on my emotions lol. Thought I was the only one having a breakdown from a drama..It's one thing having no expectation of someone,but then you see something special like the way deok sun and taek's relationship evolved at the later period on Reply'88.I completely went awestruck over the fact that how much affected I was,watching how Taek took care of Deok Sun.Like those simple and natural waiting by her house,and then pulling her over to keep her away from the cold.Not to mention when he did not tease her at all,when she was stating the fact that she needs to be alone with her studies,unlike the other boys,he respected her privacy and assured her,he just wants to be there beside her...Or those countless times when they dated in those alleys of ssangmundong, or when he was just there beside her,without feeling the necessity to express his feelings for her. Lol,it's one thing to have no expectation,but then to see something like this,really made me sad and I thought this is absolutely stupid to wish over something which is non-existent ,and to know that chances of having something close to this is almost zero,probably,for now..More than anything,or even the family part,it took me a longer time to get over the drama,or should I say to get over the almost too good to be true relationship.
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Rj
May 7, 2016 at 5:55 PM
May be we should date a guy who watches dramas too. May be then we can find someone who understands our emotion.... Lol I'm feeling lonely but I think my fellow single beanies are with me
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fayyyy
May 8, 2016 at 2:13 AM
@Rj, can anyone really connect on our radar? I don't know,hardly found any,even your closest friends sometimes won't get you,so it's only possible in dramas I guess. Only thing that happens in real life imitating dramas is, when you give a perfect shout out to the source of your frustration,only to find out that it was all happening in your mind :S.
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vongole
May 8, 2016 at 11:39 AM
:) Rj - Shout-out to fellow Indian!
The only K-drama/film my partner has watched is Oldboy, and I definitely don't want him to take his life cues from that movie! Luckily, he is more Choi Han Kyul than Gu Jun Pyo... so works for me just fine. (Basically, he might not want to enter the drama world but thanks to me he is already in it - *evil laughter*)
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daktari34
May 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM
There are Indian guys who watch k-dramas who also never seem to meet women who share the same interest. So the reverse situation is true as well. But then maybe I am just a guy of Indian descent who lives in a country where most have never heard of or seen k-dramas.
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earthna
May 7, 2016 at 6:33 PM
I've always thought I have high expectations because of dramas but you know what? It happens in real life too. My manager told me how much she loved the song "Lady in Red" because it was the song playing when she first met her husband. And that day, she was wearing red! I thought it only happens in dramas. lol.
Anyway, I believe the time will come for all of us to meet "the one". I'm also single and I'm fine with things as they are (except for a day or two in a year when I just wanna freaking date someone lol)
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5 Nisa
May 7, 2016 at 1:58 PM
The comment section of DB never fails to amaze me..to look people from many nations in this world connect through the comment section of DB,speak their mind and comfort each others despite of the culture differences they have.thank you DB..you rocks..
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vongole
May 8, 2016 at 11:42 AM
So true! It's not even been a year since I found DB.. and just a few months since I started commenting. But, love being part of the community.
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6 Purva Huilgol
May 7, 2016 at 2:55 PM
I can't believe I missed out on the 1st comment thread last week!
I saw the comment and I thought someone had hacked into my brain lol!
I am in the same situation – Indian with parents and relatives all concentrating their matchmaking energies on me when I am not even sure if I am ready for that level of commitment.
I have been the Seventh Wheel more times than I can count- and it did hurt. And then it hurt and angered me even more because I was feeling hurt over something so trivial ( i mean I still have so many things to achieve and stuff to do)
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Rj
May 7, 2016 at 6:13 PM
I can understand. I have gone through all these its so damn frustrating. I think for a women her only way to strengthen her decisions is to become self dependent. Especially in cultural bound countries like ours it can be really tiring.
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Rj
May 7, 2016 at 6:16 PM
Yeah the 1st comment thread ..... I was like when did I miss this !!!!! Lol its funny how we are moping over missing a potential chain reaction comment ....^^
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7 fab
May 7, 2016 at 3:26 PM
Thank you, I've missed so much wisdom from beanies! Double standards and ridiculous age gaps are a curse in the entertainment industry.
But I did catch @Cozybooks's hilarious comment about KBS and SBS' failure rivalry; it's still laugh-out-loud funny!
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
May 7, 2016 at 11:22 PM
yeah, the KBS-SBS comment had me actually giggling.
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8 mindy
May 7, 2016 at 3:37 PM
I'm so lucky that I'm the youngest in both my immediate and extended family (both sides! I'm totally the baby!). This means that my brothers and my 18 cousins are all going to be pressured about the whole marriage and kids thing before they get to me, haha.
I agree, much better to be single than to be with someone you don't really love. You don't want to find yourself getting divorced later on, which would just add on more stress and emotional turmoil. Of course, even couples who think they're totally in love can end up divorced, but it's still best to make sure you end up with someone you truly love and who truly loves you.
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9 Rj
May 7, 2016 at 6:28 PM
A situation just popped in my head
Mom : Don't you think its time for you to settle down
Beanie: chillax mom! Don't disturb me I'm commenting on Db. I can't be left out.
Mom : you are going to be left out of the marriage heaven , then sit mopping outside the gates with your drama obsession....
Beanie : —•—• seriously mom I'll settle after I find someone like Yoo shi jin ^^
Mom: Heh I can totally see you are gonna end up with someone like Maru ><
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earthna
May 7, 2016 at 6:35 PM
I've moved on since my teenager phase but my dad still calls Super Junior's Ryeowook as son-in-law. I've kinda brainwashed them back in the days. lol
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Lolita
May 7, 2016 at 10:09 PM
ROFL. Maru is fine too. Hehehe
Btw, I am also from India. Though i am still in college, reading all your comments makes me anxious. Will i be able to find someone who is as charming as YSJ, as sweet as taek, as protective as jung hwan, as handsome as do min joon, as manly as healer, as brave as city hunter, as flirty as yong ha and the list goes on. Anyways wish me good luck guys.
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Rj
May 7, 2016 at 10:59 PM
All the best to you ^^
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vongole
May 8, 2016 at 11:56 AM
Hey Lolita, Wouldn't it be even better to do some reverse check-listing? See how the K-drama heroes match up to your boyfriend/love-of-your-life :)
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10 browngoldeyes
May 7, 2016 at 6:40 PM
Oh my gosh. I didn't even check back on the comments from the last week. Thank you guys so much for the love and the very, very needed dose of reality. I'm glad I'm not alone - particularly on the South Asian family really messing with my head and my being able to enjoy singlehood - and it's definitely helped me feel a bit better.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
May 7, 2016 at 11:05 PM
Glad we beanies were able to help! *hugs*
There's nothing wrong with wanting love and romance in your life - we're all drama lovers here! - but being taught that a relationship is compulsory for a fulfilling life leads us to be far too harsh on ourselves when we fall short of our own expectations. You're awesome, with or without that special someone.
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azkaa
May 8, 2016 at 4:54 AM
"You're awesome, with or without that special someone"
Cheers, Pogo. And can i send you virtual hug or something?
My nuclear family always told me to continue studying and never pressuring about marriage, it's all about the right timing. But extended family is such a nuisance, asking about it whenever they have the chance. And i am still 24 for God's sake. Really wish i can say something like that what you wrote above to them.
Hugs too for Browngoldeyes, you are certainly not alone. And i wish you happiness as always, whether you are single or in relationship ?
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Daggers
May 14, 2016 at 11:57 PM
also a South Asian.. it also happens with me.. :(
Strong wishes for you @browngoldeyes
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11 jessi
May 7, 2016 at 8:36 PM
Andrea really hit the nail on the head with her comment on the older man/younger woman (or girl) casting trend vs. the noona romance trope! It says everything I thought when I saw any iteration of that conversation here.
I feel like I say it every week, but I really do love this feature.
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12 PeepsLeAwesomePotato
May 7, 2016 at 8:56 PM
This is Off Topic but I need to vent because my asian mom just threw away a pesto that I'd made, thinking that it was mouldy junk.
I never thought that getting upset could have such strong physical repercussions but I know how Dokko Jin feels now. ㅠ.ㅠ
Also, to BrownGoldenEyes, you just be strong in your singledom. If anyone says that you'll be an old maid, you just go "oh, really?" In the most monotonous and idaf way. If anyone says you're gonna die old, just say, "there's no guarantee that a husband won't die young". If someone says that marriage is happiness, you just say, "and yours?"
If worst comes to worst, hold your head up high and say, "Men. What do I need such useless things for?" (Try not to be viscious when you say that though) (And you shouldn't need them. You should want the guy you end up loving) (The 'I can't live without you' lines never made sense to me if it meant that he'll drop dead if she leaves him. It only made sense if he meant "live" as an existance that feels all human emotions and desires)
I cannot with people who pester others to get married like it's their business. I just deflect everything with my idaf idiot excuses (because it is my motto that idiot requests/demand require idiot answers/reactions) and let them drive themselves into a snit. That's what I do with my no-ability-to-recognise-heavenly-pasta-sauces mom anyway.
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sunnyl
May 9, 2016 at 6:57 AM
Somehow the comment about singledom made me think of actress Kim Hae-soo (Signal) who is so cool and was in the industry forever (and I don't remember any scandal about her?), who Lee Je-hoon just called her out as his ideal type. (And wth with the question- Kim Hae-soo or Suze- Of course he will answer right away.)
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13 lc
May 7, 2016 at 8:56 PM
So many wonderful and insightful comments. Loved Andrea's comment in particular. ❤
And as a single 36 yo going on 37, my insight is this: getting paired up and then married, whether by choice or not, doesn't guarantee happiness in the future. In the end, singles will have the problems of singles and marrieds will have the problems of marrieds.
What does help is learning to cherish and appreciate what you're having now at any stage of your life, instead of ruminating over what you don't have - health, income, the time to watch dramas and comment on them on dramabeans ☺, and even the gaggle of relatives who love you enough to want to interfere in your marriage prospects ☺.
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14 topper
May 7, 2016 at 9:20 PM
Andrea's comment is so eloquent, but I have a problem understanding this:
"If women had the institutional power that men currently have and ran film and other media industries — really ran them from the top down, the way that men do — do you honestly think we’d be seeing teenage actresses made up to look “more mature” paired with middle-aged men? Doubt it."
So the inference is that this is happening due to man leading the drama industry? The thing is for kdramas ( cdramas, jdramas too) the overwhelming majority of the audience are women, just like the commenters on DB are. The scripts are catered to the female audience (YFTS, DOTS, SG etc etc). So I still can't understand the disconnect when the shows are all crafted for women to enjoy, but yet there is this contrast with casting choices? It's not as if guys will get a kick out of this when they aren't even watching (mostly).
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
May 7, 2016 at 10:49 PM
The fashion industry is also largely geared towards women, but the people at the top levels of those companies - the ones taking the decisions about who to hire, where to sell, how to create advertising - are mostly men. Just because an industry sells its products to a female audience, that doesn't mean men don't control major decisions about the output and how it's presented.
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Rj
May 7, 2016 at 11:02 PM
Wisely said
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jessi
May 8, 2016 at 5:07 AM
In addition to what pogo said, the television and film industries are notorious for giving its audiences what the industries think they want, not what they actually want. For example, in the U.S., women spend more money on average for tv and film, but most roles in both industries go to men. This is not because women in the U.S. prefer seeing men, it's because studio heads think men are more relatable than women (i.e., studio heads are men and they relate most to other men). In the U.S., more diverse casts get wider audiences and larger box offices, but most casts are still largely White. This is because most studio heads are White and think audiences can't relate to non-White actors. The phenomenon Andrea was describing does not occur because studio heads are reacting to what audiences want, they occur because the people in power to make these casting choices think it's what audiences want (when in reality it's just what studios want).
If the industry was really responding to what audiences like, they'd be scrambling over themselves to cast a female lead who is four years older than the male lead in the wake of Descendants.
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15 korfan
May 7, 2016 at 10:21 PM
As always, great comments guys!
Just wanted to pop in and say that.
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16 royal
May 8, 2016 at 12:28 AM
I can relate to that first comment so much. Also recently, my father has been giving me a lot of talks about my singledom (singlehood?) When he starts talking, I keep my silence. He likes to tell me that he worries that when I grow old, I'll be all alone if I have no kids to take care of me. He says I can't always depend on my brothers and sisters forever if they started having their own families. It's a reasonable concern for a parent. I don't like it when he starts expressing his concern, but I get it. So I listen and stay quiet.
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17 Pree
May 8, 2016 at 1:37 AM
To browngoldeyes,
I totally get you. I'm completely Indian and I don't have a dirth clucking aunties behind me, even though I'm just 22 and not even done with my education.
it has led to this absolutely ironical feeling of sadness that I feel at happy endings in kdramas. The first thought is, I'm never getting a man, then, I'm never getting men as good as these and then, what am I doing worrying about what kind of a man I'll get at 22!
I think it's just how the whole system has turned on us, and that's how we cope.
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18 jomo143
May 8, 2016 at 7:41 AM
Wow! I love this discussion.
As someone who loves the romance more than anything, I understand the trouble of accepting real life in contrast to dramas.
Let's not forget, though, what less shiny realities of real life writers, directors have been able showcase.
I don't only mean the disproportionately high instances of inherited parental debt, violence from loan sharks, interfering in-laws (even before talk of marriage), jealous scheming childhood boyfriends/girlfriends, and hospitals switching infants at birth...
Alcoholism, unrealistic academic pressures, overworked and underpaid employees, favoritism in the workplace because of connections, the pressure to be thin and fashionable at all costs, the expense parents put on themselves to make sure their children have a good education, fancy weddings and even post-wedding homes, the gulf between the haves and have-nots, family violence, the importance of blood ties and the cultural opposition to adopting, the problems of the idol system in K-entertainment, ALL of that has been presented regularly, sometimes blatantly, sometimes subtlety. If the writers want to give their heroine a younger man to soothe her, I am fine with that!
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vongole
May 8, 2016 at 12:03 PM
Ah, good point! I am very interested in the socio-economic-political aspects... but then again, mostly watch dramas for the romance :P
While I'd love to visit Seoul soon, I have been putting it off 'cos I am not sure if its better/worse to match reel-life with reality (not that I will know all about the 'real S. Korea' during my at-best-week-long visit).
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YY Chats with Toast Between Bites
May 9, 2016 at 1:48 AM
JOMOOOOOOOO!!!!!! I miss youuuuu!!!!!
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jomo143
May 9, 2016 at 4:14 AM
I miss YYou, too. I was very very very happy to see YY mentioned. That is whYY i commented!!
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YY Chats with Toast Between Bites
May 9, 2016 at 5:52 AM
Soooo happyyyy you're back....it's been empty and lonely without jomo my soulmate around.
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jomo143
May 10, 2016 at 9:30 AM
:)
19 ObsessedMuch
May 8, 2016 at 10:31 AM
Thanks for choosing my comment! :) (Though I thought you would take something from the Seo In Guk thread which had absolutely hilarious comments about SIG and his sexiness!)
I too can't believe that I missed the comment section last week.. I too am an Indian and I am really happily surprised to see so many Indians on Dramabeans.. I have not yet suffered from the "get married" syndrome but I can sense that it is just around the corner.
And yes, watching kdramas gives me immense happiness, but the immediate feeling after a romantic show ends is that of existentialism. That's because i just know that I can't find these amazing heroes in my life. But then I still haven't lost hope. I still believe that fairy-tale romances can happen in real life- after all there must be a real life inspiration behind the story- however removed from reality it is (thrice?).
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vongole
May 8, 2016 at 12:15 PM
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ObsessedMuch
May 8, 2016 at 9:03 PM
Yup. That is the new definition of fairy- tale. Just realizing you are loved is an awesome feeling. But right now I don't have that special someone. So I am looking forward to these cute scenarios in the future :)
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20 genki-escapist
May 8, 2016 at 2:50 PM
100% with Andrea. Those are my very thoughts on age-gap castings.
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21 sunnyl
May 9, 2016 at 4:27 AM
Just want to mention on Taec’s casting in Bring It On. I read they changed the script to make the lead college student (I guess they heard enough complaints).
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22 Trinity 🍆
May 9, 2016 at 8:53 AM
Andrea's comment was spot on. This year has been a year to cast super young women with middle-aged men. Seems like almost every drama coming this year has a huge age gap and it's very disconcerting. It's even worse when the main actress is still not of legal age, and being courted in the show by a man 10+ years older then her.
Personally, I have no problem with how big of an age gap there is but I draw the line when the actor is underage because then it's just wrong. I also wouldn't mind if a show here and there had this huge age disparity but considering there is this huge influx of shows like that this year, it is worrying. Especially since there are SO many older talented actresses out there that are getting overlooked for teenagers.
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