Just the fact that ppl hated him so much is the epitome of his success as a great actor. I don't know how big of cinephiles ppl are on here but only a great actor can manage to make you hate him if he plays his role convincingly enough. So to me, the fact that all these ppl hated my darling KWB for playing his role perfectly only cements his perfection and greatness as an actor. The same goes for LMH, some ppl are just prejudiced in their likes and dislikes I've noticed!

I love how ppl can totally disregard an actor completely because they simply hated one of his roles lol it's so laughable to me I can't even grasp it!

@DD - I agree that an actor getting hated for playing a hateful character is actually praise for their skill..........but that is true ONLY if the character was supposed to be hated in the story. So Kim Woo Bin and Jiwon getting hate from viewers as Young Do and Rachel is good because it means they played the roles well.

But on the other hand when characters we are supposed to like or feel sorry for come across as hateful, that is not a good sign. I am quite sure we were not supposed to hate Tan and Eunsang in Heirs, they were the OTP. But he was a whining jerk and she was an always-crying Candy so I just ended up disliking the actors so much for not being able to make those characters likeable. It's the same with Hyun Bin in SeGa or Shin Se Kyung in so many dramas.

@pigsnout

I guess it all boils down to your likes and dislikes, for instance I was discussing this just yesterday how I hated KSA's character in MNIKSS, which you probably liked...I hate obnoxious ppl and that's how I saw her, but to me PSH played a dignified character, not always crying rivers of tears ala SHK in Autumn tale and the such... I thought she was the most subtle "candy character" if you want to call her that.

As for LMH's whining lol OMG the amount of whining I've seen in Kdrama is unparalleled to anything I've ever seen anywhere in the world and let me just tell you that Kim Tan was the least whiny character I've seen (under the circumstances) in Kdrama like EVER...I mean when kids/adults/elderly whine about someone touching their arm, or raising their voice (only to yell back at them 10000 times louder) how was KT whiny exactly? He was resilient and a silent fighter, never once did he become a cry baby, he always wanted to solve his problems and the problems of the ppl around him all on his own... But again it all boils down to how you view things, i just happened to see things differently from my prospective

@DD- I didn't like his character at all, he was the opposite of silent amd resilient to me. Constantly whining about his relationship with his hyung, treating his "fiancee" badly by not even treating her like the friend he called her, being jealous fpr no reason to Eun Sang's guy friend when he only just met her, behaving like his problems are as big as hers when she tells him she and her mother will be thrown on the street if they date (seriously? Your hurt feelings are as serious as your dad making her homeless if he finds out you are dating her?r), the force kissing (more than once!) and taking away her passport and ordering her around...and behaving like he hates the chaebol life but ultimately doesnt even experience 1 percent of the hardship his gf does.

And at least she had real reason to cry. His was nothing more than "I am rich and have my feelings hurt sometimes". She had more dignity and at least worked hard but I would like her more if her taste in boys was not so awful and she didnt let this one push her around because she likes him. Sorry if you are. their fan, but I really saw nothing to feel that bad for him about. The story tells me he had a bad dad and chaebol life is cold but unlike Youngdo we are supposed to like and feel sorry for him and ignore all his bad points. And I could not.

Don’t forget that they played teenage kids, reasoning was not always their forte. I don’t blame him for his jealousy it’s a natural instinct. The fact that he didn’t care about her being thrown in the street for not dating him, i didn’t see that either, he went to all highs and lows to take care of her. Forceful kissing well, he’s a teenage boy with hormones, not excusing him this one but I totally get it it was a mistake to be forceful no doubt but it was up to PSH character to tell him to F off if she so chose to. The chaebol life, well he’s a chaebol after all, do you expect him to be something else? Would it be more convincing if he behaved any other way? He was hurt and destroyed for losing his love, that to me is more human than losing many other things like wealth or status that most ppl seek or sought after. His brother was the biggest POS in the world and if it was me I’d probably commit a crime not simply and resiliently continue to try to work things out with an asshole family member, that to me is resolve!! His mother was a disaster, his father was a big dick, his brother was a selfish prick, yet in the midst of all of that he was fighting wars against himself, his old character, fighting for the love of his life (Albeit not perfectly but then again he’s playing a character of a kid so I didn’t expect too much or much more from him after all) trying to knock some sense into his corrupt/on the verge of oblivion friend/friends and trying to maintain a normal High schooler life…Well I don’t know what ppl expect from someone going through this big pile of dodo, to me he proved much more than capable of resolving most if not all his problems competently!

As for PSH and her situation, well she wasn’t totally faultless nor was her mother, from what I could see they both wanted to endure (As I’ve seen many many characters of lesser means do in Kdramas so why blame the rich ppl for the poor’s misfortune? it’s just their luck in life) Yet Kim Tan took so much crap from his entire family/peers for even wanting to help, which in the end he did and that’s commendable on it’s own. Anyway don’t apologize like I said we all have our likes and dislikes and we always see things from our own perspective so no point trying to convince others when each have their own POV. In the end films/dramas tell stories that are not perfect per se but stories that have a message to tell, i heard the Heirs message loud and clear and it resonated with me I guess more so than many others that have watch it.

@DD It is obvious you like Kim Tan a lot but the story presents him to us as a hero we should sympathise with whose flaws are all excused by "he is a kid!" to some. And I have explained why I cannot accept that. He was not supposed to be dislikable because he is the hero of the story and his actions are excused with his age, bad family and love life. But many, many people here do not accept those as excuses.

And when your gf tells you your family will throw her and her deaf mother out of the house if you are caught dating, saying "I'm suffering because of liking you too!" is so self centered when he does not even come close to going through what she has. Kim Tan and Young Do are both horrible jerks but at least Young Do admitted his faults and apologised to people he hurt. Tan, we are just supposed to think he is always the victim. His "poor little rich boy" is not something I am a fan of, at all.

@pigsnout

It's not that I liked Kim Tan a lot, rather it's the fact that I never see characters (or people for that matter) as BLACK & WHITE, not should I!! It's an impossibility that any human being is completely free of faults, Kim Tan was human after all, hero or no hero. I'm glad, and I think it was totally refreshing, to see a lead character portrayed as "Flawed" and not completely the "prince charming" who never makes mistakes type. He made mistakes, then again who in this world doesn't? I like him yes because even with his mistakes he had a great humanity compass that guided him back..Always!

@Pogo

I've replied to you, but since I've put links to YT videos the reply is being moderated...Here it is again without those links but if it appears with the links later i hope you watch them to get a better idea about what I'm referring to!

Again KT is a character that ppl just loved to hate. I didn’t see rudeness to mom, he was so dotting on his mother when at that age kids are so rebellious, he came out looking like the adult rather than the mom!!

Forceful kissing well isn’t that the NORM in Kdrama? I’m yet to see a kissing scene that doesn’t involve a forceful kiss or a kiss that is enjoyed by both parties equally. This bothered me more since PSH’s character didn’t do anything about if it bothered her so much, rather than him being domineering etc. Yes he told her to listen to him but that’s because he was trying to protect her and she stubbornly continued not to listen to reason…Again I am not excusing the kiss, but again he was playing the character of a teenage boy and from his perspective he probably felt it was the only way to knock some sense into this girl who keeps doing exactly the opposite of what he pleadingly asked of her… more so since he was trying to protect her rather than boss her around!

I’ve seen a video of that kiss, and in one take PSH is giving more than she’s taking…I don’t see all the hoopla about it being a “surprise” kiss or feeling bad for her. That kiss was redone several times and each time PSH was totally ok with it…So I’m really confused about the kiss situation. Just because they chose a take that looked as if PSH was in pain doesn’t mean that was actually the situation on set!

@ DD

Kim Tan was a possessive, clingy, self-righteous piece of scum that never listened to Eun-sang. She was a pathetic character but I felt more pity for her, than dislike. She never told him off? He was absolutely domineering. Why did he never leave her alone when she asked him to? You say he was trying to protect her, 'for her own good' right? Please, it just shows how obnoxious he is. But you're totally right. Kim Tan is exactly the kind of character that people love to hate. Because he was absolutely revolting and sure as hell not romantic.

Which leads me to the kiss scene. I'm not sure if you're referring to the closet kiss, but if it is, then that happened without PSH's permission. LMH revealed in an interview that for that kiss scene, the director told him not to let PSH know about the kiss. Which is why she seemed UNDERSTANDABLY confused, brows furrowed, looking 'in-pain' while trying to reciprocate that kiss. Poor poor girl, had to experience an assault in a closet, basically. And she gets ridiculed every time for it. She did not give consent for that kiss, and that PD will forever be in my bad radar for carrying that out.

So I guess it doesn't matter what kiss you're referring to. The first one was cringe-worthy AF too. There were soo many problems with Heirs. I wish it wasn't two years ago that it aired, bc I hardly remember it now. Not that it deserves to be held in memory anyway.

@jongyu

You rather have such a strong opinion about this character, I won't claim I'd like to sway you...Your opinion is your right to own. I didn't see things the way you saw them as I've explained in detail in all the posts above yours.

The kiss I'm referring to, IS the closet kiss, just go to youtube and type "the heirs kiss scene" you'll see that that kiss was done SEVERAL times and that PSH kissed LMH just as forcefully as he kissed her so I don't really take what you typed in your last paragraph to heart unless you have other evidence then I'll believe my own eyes. I DID post links to this particular kiss but DB are not allowing that comment. Again go to YT and search the video you'll see what I mean.

KT was not revolting, he was a decent guy at the core who had many reasons to be a POS but fought against the current and won. That's how I saw this character.

@ DD

And ofc it's your prerogative to like Kim Tan and Heirs as you do. And you have stated your pov and take on Heirs in your previous comments, that wasn't my main concern. The kiss was, although I do absolutely loathe the character Kim Tan. Your take on his character is new and interesting though.

Unfortunately, I can't link you to the article right now, I'm not using a most practical device, that's not my laptop. So it's a bit inconvenient. But LMH did an interview where he was asked about the passionate kiss scene and he stated that PSH wasn't told beforehand about the kiss scene. His words, not mine. You're not inclined to believe it though. I watched the bts before, and PSH did not look comfortable or okay with what happened. To my viewing, she just went along with it, and tried to reciprocate despite her discomfort.

And I get that you're a fan. I don't know when you watched Heirs, but there were a few discussions about the kiss scene on some threads here. Especially ones with degrading comments about PSH's kiss scenes. It was found out belatedly by most. Anyway, you understand my stance I presume, I think I sounded harsher than intended. But your words seemed incorrect to my knowledge.

Hyun Bin is an amazing actor, he always was and always will be no matter how many flops he'll produce. He has the talent and the charisma and he'll continue to entertain for many years to come!

@DD - I'm replying here because there was no reply button available to your post.

No one is attacking you here. You stated your opinions about how like KT and how you think he is a good character. The other commentors stated how they disliked his character. Stating their dislike for a character is not attacking you. Did you mean to attack them when you countered their opinions?

About KT - I agree with what the other commentors said about Tan. He was supposed to be the protagonist and accepted by the viewers. Instead, a lot of the viewers ended up hating him.

There was not even one scene where KT took responsibility or apologized to anyone for anything. And he should have, at least to ES and her mom. Compared to their suffering, he didn't endure anything. He never had to work or be responsible for anything in life. His home life was so bad that he was allowed to do whatever? (YD's home life was 10 times worse than KT's but he didn't get a fee pass.) In the end, KT ended up being a hero who was irresponsible, domineering, and possessive. If the dad had disinherited Tan and he ended up poor for sticking to ES, that would have made a small impact and testified to the strength of their love. But no, that didn't happen.

P.S. - And not many Kdrama heros are whiny. They are rich, cold, jerks but not whiny.

@LinK - you are right. So many kids in that drama had a bad home life with bad parents but they either don't behave as badly as KT or take responsibility in the end if they did. Why is he so special that he never has to do this?

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