Answer Me 1994: Episode 12
by girlfriday
It’s a lovely episode with honest feelings, heart-wringing twists, and reunions with past loves, old friends, and family. And maybe, just maybe, it also marks the tentative, hopeful start of something new.
Soooo, tvN has announced that it will be extending the series by one episode. It’s airing off-schedule now because of last week’s preemption, though it’s not like it actually took away an episode. But now the series will have 21 episodes so it can end on a Saturday, which isn’t a surprise given its ratings. Sigh. This had better not mess things up for the final stretch. *shakes fist menacingly*
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EPISODE 12: “The miracle that will happen to us”
It’s June 1995, which means Mom and Dad’s baby Sook-sookie is already born. Haitai babysits by dancing to Roo’Ra’s “Angel Without Wings” with Baby in his arms. Mom chats away on the phone with a hometown friend about coming up from Masan for her son’s wedding. She calls him Jae-seok, which makes me think it’s one of Garbage’s hyungs.
On Binggeure’s turn to rock the baby it’s Park Jin-young’s “Don’t Leave Me” as lullaby, and Mom has another conversation about how the youngest of the brothers who lived with them for some time is the sweetest, and how she worries about him living with his hyung Jae-hyung. Okay, definitely Garbage.
And then it’s Sung Jin-woo’s “Don’t Give Up” as Chilbongie serenades Baby, complete with rattle-as-microphone. This time Mom’s friend asks about Na-jung and if she has a boyfriend, and Mom sighs that she hasn’t even had a hint of a prospect.
She wonders at the poor sap who will marry her and have to deal with her terrible temperament, with Chilbongie sitting right there. Ha. And not to be left out, Samcheonpo takes a turn and raps Kim Gun-mo’s “Wrongful Meeting” at Baby. That is decidedly the worst lullaby choice ever.
Dad goes to the hospital and clucks in disapproval when he sees how worn out Garbage looks. It still breaks my heart that he doesn’t live at the house anymore. Dad’s here to visit a childhood friend who’s been diagnosed with a brain tumor, and Garbage leads him down the hall, promising to look into the case.
Dad braces himself before entering the room and does his best to greet his friend with a smile on his face.
At home Mom tells Na-jung to hurry up because they have to go, and gasps in horror to see her come out in sweats. Mom says she can’t go over there to see the oppas looking that way, but Na-jung grumps that it’s nothing they haven’t seen before. For a second I thought they were going to the wedding like this, but it’s still the day before.
Rewind to ten minutes ago, when Na-jung was sitting in her room in a pretty pink dress. She even got the makeup out and started to get all dolled up to see Oppa… but then went totally overboard and ended up looking like a clown, which only depressed her more. So she washed it all off and came out in sweats. I so feel that pain.
She gets sent to drop off a suit for Garbage to wear to his brother’s wedding tomorrow, and she hesitates at Oppa’s door, deciding to at least powder her nose before ringing the bell. His hyung Jae-hyung answers (ha, he’s played by Jo Jae-yoon, a great character actor who’s in every drama ever).
As expected the place is a pigsty, and Middle Hyung is hilariously tacky. He’s shocked at how much Na-jung has grown up, and jokes that he ought to marry her. Dude, get in line.
He does seem genuinely worried when he talks about his little brother though, because he’s working himself to the bone lately especially with his new internship at a Gangnam hospital, which makes the commute harder on him.
Garbage comes home in such a sleepy stupor that he doesn’t even open his eyes and lies down on the couch and peels his shirt off to sleep, not even noticing Na-jung sitting in the living room. It’s only when hyung calls out to her to leave with him that Garbage cracks one eye open and sees her.
Still, when he gets up to give her a ride home, she’s back to adorable smiles. She says he didn’t have to drive her but he pinches her cheek, calling her his little monkey, and says it’d be dangerous: “It’s dark out and someone might mistake you for pretty and take you.” Hahahahaha. Gah, you are SUCH an oppa.
She snaps at him to stop touching her and pinching her cheeks, and he counters that it’s just his way of showing affection: “It’s because I like you.” She only hears it as, I like you like a sister, and gripes that she’s a woman too.
She asks if that’s how he was with all his past girlfriends, naming each with such accurate details that Oppa is surprised, realizing there’s nothing about him she doesn’t know.
He says again that it’s really because he likes her (Granted he’s not saying any of this in love-confession tone. It’s all just passing conversation.) and then goes with, “Are you on your period?” Oh noes.
That’s really not what she meant by “I’m a woman,” but then he goes off on this medical tangent about the symptoms of PMS, and aaaack, somebody stop him. She finally claps a hand over his mouth and orders him to drop her off at the next corner.
Yoon-jin and Samcheonpo wait in line to see Seo Taiji, and he complains about how much money she spends on all the useless things Seo Taiji has CF contracts to endorse, like the shirts they’re always wearing or the popsicle she’s eating now.
She finds it endearing that he’s jealous of Seo Taiji, and snuggles up to him, making him melt instantly. She asks if they can’t come back for tomorrow’s concert since today is just a rehearsal, but he pouts that she promised to go to see his concert of choice if he went to ten of hers. That’s cute.
He has tickets for tomorrow and insists they have to go despite her sour face at his ajusshi music tastes. But as soon as he drops the suggestion that he could go with her to next week’s Seo Taiji concert, she’s all aboard the ajusshi train.
Back in the car, Garbage is belting out a song by Green Zone that Yoon-jin just dissed as old-mannish (it’s “I’m Going to Love You,” posted above, which is a song all about how he’s going to love her quietly from afar in his own way even though she’ll never know… aaaand now I’m back to swooning at Oppa).
He asks for a tissue because he’s sick with a cold, and Na-jung only now notices how filthy the car is. She reaches over to peel the bit of tissue he left stuck to his lip and feel his forehead, and this time it’s Garbage who reels from Na-jung’s touch.
Na-jung gets all aegyorific with the “oppaaaaaaa, oppa-ya,” before asking if he’ll go to a musical with her. He has a study group session that night, but also complains that he doesn’t care for musicals because he doesn’t get why they have to sing everything.
Garbage: “I like you. I don’t like you. Why can’t they just say it?” You did NOT just say that. It’s what I’ve been screaming at you for seven weeks!
She sighs and tells him to pull over for some ddukboki. He sits down and asks permission to order soondae, and does this ridiculously cute fist-spazz in glee when she allows it.
She asks about his eldest hyung’s bride-to-be and asks what he likes about her, like her personality or her background. Oppa sighs that she knows nothing about men, and says the only thing they care about is a hot bod. It’s like you have a burning desire to be thwacked in the head.
They apparently have a rule about him never dipping his soondae in her ddukboki sauce, which of course he breaks the second she averts her gaze. They spend the rest of the meal with her back turned, and him making raptor-faces at her behind her back. It’s strange and adorable.
He walks her home and declines to go inside knowing he’ll end up drinking all night if the other kids see him around. He heard that Haitai has a new girlfriend, and she says he met her on a group blind date and already kissed her.
He tells her to go inside, and Na-jung just stands there silently with her arms outstretched until he laughs and hugs her. Awwwwww.
At home, the rest of the group is busy hearing about Haitai’s latest girl, his second new girlfriend in two weeks. He’s getting ready to go on an overnight trip with her, and everyone asks which of the girls had better legs or was a better kisser.
Na-jung joins them mid-conversation and she starts naming all his past girls as he tells them what he liked about each of them.
But then she asks about his hometown girlfriend, and suddenly Haitai grows quiet. Yoon-jin asks why he’s not talking, and Samcheonpo nudges her not to bring up that ex.
In voiceover, Na-jung says: “I learned it then—to a man there is always that one woman that should never be touched—her name is First Love.”
Garbage gets back home and hyung mentions that his first love Joo-kyung will be at the wedding tomorrow, since she’s the bride’s best friend. Garbage gets quiet for a moment at the mention of her (and how much she broke his heart and made him cry), but assures him that he’s totally over it and could probably have coffee with her and be fine with it.
He says he likes someone new now, and plans to confess properly once his internship is over. I still don’t know why you even waited this long, but speed is obviously not your strong suit.
Hyung gets super excited about the new crush, especially when Garbage says she’s really pretty (though he calls her personality terrible, ha). He says she’ll be at the wedding tomorrow, so he can try and guess who it is there. Can I just say, you giggling like an idiot when you talk about her is such a nice change of pace from the foggy non-answers.
Chilbongie pops into Na-jung’s room to confirm their plans for tomorrow night. She helped him with some homework so she requires a meal at the fancy new Gangnam mall and a tape as payment, which of course is a win-win for Chilbongie who gets a date out of it. She has the wedding and he has baseball practice, so they agree to meet at the mall tomorrow, and then he helps cover her face in cucumber slices and piles them on till she’s buried. So cute.
Dad visits with his buddy in the hospital and they laugh about the old days. When his friend waxes nostalgic about their favorite rice cakes from home, Dad promises to pick him up a piece on his next away game. But by the next day, Garbage looks in on the same ajusshi who was talking up a storm and laughing just last night, and he’s lying in his bed without moving a muscle.
Garbage is especially friendly with a family who shares the same room, and is happy to find out that the mom who’s sick is well enough to check out tomorrow. The husband notes that they have the same watch and Garbage says it was a wedding gift from his brother.
He gets so distracted that he has to be paged to get his ass to the wedding, and runs in late to join his family in the greeting line. His dad scowls in disapproval while his mom dotes.
What… on earth is Middle Hyung wearing? He’s got a three-piece suit on with no shirt inside, and declares proudly that it’s what (R&B group) SOLID does. Pfffft.
The parents light up when they see Na-jung’s family arrive, and the adults greet each other happily. The oppas’ parents coo when they see how pretty Na-jung is, and joke that she ought to marry into their family. Middle Hyung volunteers for the job, and Dad asks if he wants to die. Ha.
They suggest their maknae, but Mom and Dad scoff at the idea that those two could go two seconds without tearing each other’s hair out. The whole time Garbage and Na-jung keep stealing glances at each other in turn, and Garbage doesn’t even try to hide the shit-eating grin on his face whenever he looks at her.
After the ceremony, Garbage sits down in the banquet hall with a table of his old friends, and they ask if First Hyung bought him anything as a gift since he introduced the newlyweds. He shows off the new watch.
The girl at the table muses at how odd it is that this is the couple that ended up married when she always thought Garbage would marry Joo-kyung. The guys get all awkward at the mention of Garbage’s first love, and chide her for bringing it up.
Na-jung sits down next to him and when Middle Hyung gives her what he thinks is the best thing on his plate, she scowls. Garbage immediately takes it off and tells hyung she’s picky about her food, and gives her the things from his own plate that she likes.
Of course then he follows up the sweet moment by ordering her to go get another plate of what he likes, heh.
While she grabs another plate at the buffet, the dreaded ex shows up. Na-jung watches tensely as she walks over to the table and sits down next to Oppa. Noooo.
Na-jung plops down at the next table over with the housemates, and tells them that she’s Oppa’s First Love. Yoon-jin calls her pretty, and Samcheonpo says there’s no such thing as a first love who isn’t pretty, which gets him strangled. Haitai looks over at Na-jung with concern.
Binggeure suddenly runs out after getting paged, and then Garbage gets paged from work soon after and gets up to go. The dreaded ex gets up to return to the office as well, and when the friends point out they’re headed in the same direction, Garbage agrees to give her a ride. The horrible part is that Na-jung has to watch them leave together.
He doesn’t even seem that interested in First Love (or he’s possibly still angry), and when she gets in the car and asks if he wants to have coffee, he says he’s busy and offers to drop her at a subway stop. Phew, that’s the last we’re seeing of her, right?
The housemates leave the wedding and Yoon-jin and Samcheonpo head off to their concert, and Haitai frowns to hear that even Na-jung has plans and everyone is ditching him. She rushes toward Gangnam, worried that traffic might make her late to meet Chilbongie.
At the hospital, Garbage gets a page from Binggeure that sends him running. Apparently his mother collapsed, which was why he ran out of the wedding. Garbage runs to the emergency room and finds Binggeure there with his little brother Dong-woo, both sick with worry and not knowing what to do.
Garbage speaks with the doctors and nurses and returns with assurances that their mom will be fine—she just fainted from shock. He takes out money from his wallet and tells Little Bro to go grab a bite to eat and bring something back for Binggeure, knowing he’s too stubborn to budge from his mother’s bedside.
Binggeure sticks right by her side as she gets moved for tests, and the nurse asks why he didn’t tell the staff sooner that his hyung worked here. He looks up in surprise, and she says he doesn’t look anything like Garbage, who must resemble their father. Aw. She said his hyung asked them to take extra special care of their mom.
Elsewhere in the hospital Dad is back to see his friend, but this time he’s hiding out in the hallway listening to his friend’s mad ramblings, heartbroken at his sudden decline.
Na-jung sits on the bus checking and re-checking her watch, but traffic is at a standstill. Chilbongie gets to the mall early and heads to the record store to buy the tape he promised, and asks the clerk if the noodle place upstairs requires reservations. She tells him it’s closed right now because of construction, and suggests a place nearby that’s just as good.
Meanwhile a news report breaks describes the ongoing labor negotiations for a subway construction project. And on Na-jung’s bus, suddenly everybody’s pagers start going off all at once. Uh-oh.
In the concert hall, Yoon-jin and Samcheonpo get paged, and soon the entire audience is buzzing.
Na-jung looks out the window when she hears sirens outside, and cranes her neck out the window when she sees it—the jumbo screen on the building across the way, with the breaking news of a mall’s collapse to the ground, with about a thousand people buried inside. OHGOD it’s where she’s supposed to meet Chilbongie!
Na-jung freezes in shock, and by the time she gets up to exit, she’s sobbing and pounding on the bus door to open. Ugh, there’s just this knot in my chest. She gets off the bus and starts running, barely holding it together as she swallows back the tears.
Haitai watches the news from home and calls Na-jung in a panic and asks her to call back because he’s worried. He paces in his room, waiting to hear back.
At the same time, Yoon-jin and Samcheonpo hear what happened and run to the payphone. They call Chilbongie and leave a message asking if he’s okay, and to call them because they’re worried. Samcheonpo: “You’re okay, right? Right?” Yoon-jin cries the whole time, and he hugs her close.
Na-jung runs the whole way and waits for the light to change at an intersection, leaning on a tree to help keep her standing. When she catches her breath and looks up, ohthankyou there’s Chilbongie waving at her from across the street, happy as a clam, with no idea what’s going on.
The light turns green and he runs across the street to her. She remains frozen in place, reeling from the shock. It’s only when he stops right in front of her that he notices she’s sniffling back tears and trembling.
She throws her arms around him and breaks down in full heaping sobs. He doesn’t know why she’s crying, but just puts his arms around her as she cries into his chest. Na-jung says in voiceover:
Na-jung: Some people say there are miracles, and some people say there’s no such thing. But in moments of urgency, people inevitably pray and wait for a miracle. Thus, miracles need to exist—so that in all times of urgency there is some glimmer of hope for people to dwell on. Miracles need to exist.
At the same time, Oppa is in the thick of the triage hotpot, the hospital flooded with the injured and dying as he races from one bed to the other. (Now we know why they made a point of him working across town at a Gangnam hospital.)
It all happens in this dreamlike slow motion, and as he loses another patient, he looks down at the man’s bloodied wrist. Augh, it’s the same watch as his—his patient’s husband who went out to go buy dinner for his wife and little son on their last day at the hospital.
As Oppa looks around the emergency room, his face and coat covered in other people’s blood, a single tear pools in his eye and trickles down his face.
Na-jung: But miracles are miracles because they aren’t common. There are far more misfortunes we don’t think of than miracles we don’t expect. That is the world. Life is too cold and harsh to live believing only in miracles.
Dad’s friend has a lucid day, and tells him he has no intention of dying anytime soon. They laugh and agree that he’ll be fine and outlive them all. But on the day that he returns from that away game with those rice cakes in hand, it’s to attend his friend’s funeral.
Dad lashes out, cursing at his friend for leaving such a young son and wife behind. “How could you go like that, you terrible bastard? Where is there a Buddha and a Jesus? How could you take someone fighting to live?! Why you?!”
Na-jung: In the end, miracles are a matter of probability. Miracles only exist to one person, and to the 9,999 others, are simply empty talk of that thing they call miracles. Life is cruel with its absolute and overwhelming probability. But still, miracles are needed. Rather than the despair of a zero probability that will never come to pass, a ten-million-to-one chance is better. That is how hope exists.”
Sometime later, the news reports of another miracle save in the ongoing rescue effort after the mall’s collapse.
Mom calls Garbage to say she sent Na-jung over with food, but he’s sleeping at the hospital tonight. He calls Hyung, who mentions that he’s going to have some friends over, and brags about having a new girlfriend.
He remembers he never confirmed the identity of the girl Garbage likes, and asks if she came to their brother’s wedding. While they’re on the phone, the doorbell rings at the apartment and Garbage tells him it’s probably Na-jung. “And if you make a pass at her, I’ll kill you.” Hee.
Hyung calls him crazy: “She’s like a sister! What, is she your girlfriend or something?” And THEN, Oppa just smiles this goofy smile that says everything. His hyung can’t even see it, but it’s like he can sense it from the silence, and guesses right away that Na-jung is the girl.
He busts a gut and giggles teasingly, asking when it started as he lets Na-jung into the apartment. Garbage warns him to keep his trap shut because she doesn’t even know yet.
The day of her musical comes around, and Na-jung gets all dressed up to go anyway, but sighs in defeat when she realizes it’s hopeless to wait around for Oppa to suddenly change his mind. She gets up to change, when Mom pops in and hands her the phone.
We just see her rocking back and forth in excitement as she talks to someone on the phone, and then when she runs outside… Oppa is standing there waiting. Kyaaaa.
She’s shocked he didn’t forget about the musical, and he chides that it’s not a thing to forget. He asks if she wants to go on a date with oppa, and stretches out his hand.
She lights up and walks up to him, eyes hopeful. She slowly raises her hand and puts it in his, and he leads her away by the hand.
Na-jung: What is the probability that out of seven billion people on the planet, the person I like would like me back? Right now a miracle might happen to me.
COMMENTS
He showed up! That’s a miracle in and of itself. It’s like his first time really showing up when it matters. Have we finally seen the death of Arbitrarily Opaque Oppa? (Please say yes, and please don’t ever bring him back from the grave.) I still contend that it was in service of withholding information to the detriment of the character that we had to go such a long stretch without ever getting a glimpse of this Garbage—the one who giggles like a little boy when he talks about his crush. In this episode it was even more blatant that he had no real obstacles holding him back—no family objections and no lingering attachment to a first love (and if it was more of a struggle over figuring out his heart, we should’ve been shown that). It makes the previous rendition of him that much more perplexing, except I think the real reason is an external choice to withhold for the sake of mystery, and it turned him into an involuntary chain-yanker.
But now that the show has finally decided that we’re allowed to know how Oppa feels, it’s pretty great. Because Oppa is great, especially when he gets to be himself and himself is a Na-jung-loving fool. It’s so refreshing to see him being so openly adorable when he talks to his brother about the girl he likes, or when he steals glances at her thinking he’s being stealthy. Him being terrible about how to express the mushy stuff doesn’t bother me (and I find his foot-in-mouth syndrome endlessly cute), as long as WE know that he likes her. Though I still have no idea why he’d wait so long to confess after declaring he’d fight Chilbongie to win, but then, his idea of progress makes a sloth look like a marathon winner. It’s okay though—that outstretched hand at the end was perfectly perfect in that understated but full-of-love, Oppa-esque way, and he’s lucky because Na-jung is still in love with him by the time he reaches out to her.
The mall collapse was beautifully woven into the episode, which put so much focus on the wedding (and the first love misdirect) that we were blindsided by the tragedy that we didn’t expect. I for one had a momentary freak-out when I thought that Binggeure’s little brother might end up being wheeled into the emergency room after going out for dinner, since that’s what the dad with the watch was doing when he got trapped. Maybe I’m just paranoid, but I was convinced we were going to have to pay a price for Chilbongie surviving. Na-jung’s moment with him blindsided me too, because I was all ready to call it Oppa’s game, and then she had such a visceral reaction to Chilbongie being okay that it gave me hope that she might love him. Now I feel completely torn.
I was all ready to forgive Oppa and cheer him on, but then they put Chilbongie on the chopping block and my heart leapt to my throat. But at the end of the day it was really everyone’s sincere concern for one another that brought tears to my eyes—Haitai, Samcheonpo, and Yoon-jin’s worried calls, and Na-jung’s desperate race to find Chilbongie. It was mirrored in Dad’s heartbreaking loss of a friend, and Garbage stepping up to take care of Binggeure without having to be asked. And I love that that’s the heart of this show—that love between friends who take bonds that could be fleeting, and turn them into family instead.
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Tags: Answer Me 1994, featured, Go Ara, Jung Woo, Yoo Yeon-seok
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1 Athena
November 30, 2013 at 12:05 PM
Team Trash!!! Back on the road.
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sothat
November 30, 2013 at 1:51 PM
The thing is I don’t blame trash for hesitating. You have to imagine how they grew up – they were raised like siblings. It’s like confessing to your cousin or something – it’s not something to be done lightly. He had to weigh all the relationships that would be affected by their decision – parents, siblings, extended family, friends, memories, traditions, etc.
They know so much about each other, warts and all. Past loves, actions, behaviors, mistakes, bad habits. It takes time to transition all that from brotherly love to romantic love. It was easier for NJ to confess, but Trash is the Oppa, the big brother. He probably feels a heavier burden about what their relationship will mean for all involved.
Hence, I don’t blame Trash for hesitating, and if that means CB gets the girl in the end, well that means it wasn’t meant to be (or the writers wrote it that way, lol). The relationships are what I enjoy the most. Many of us wish we are able to develop such close and genuine, lifelong friendships.
The acting in this drama is so stellar. As is the nuanced writing and grounding of the drama to that time period. Really excellent and makes me overlook any flaws the drama may have. Go Ara is doing well, but surprisingly she is not the break out star of the drama for me. Yoonjin, Haitai, the Parents, Trash, are hitting it out of the park.
Can’t wait for the remaining 8 episodes.
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Jane
November 30, 2013 at 2:59 PM
I definitely agree with what you wrote about all the things that Trash has to consider!
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Mariah
November 30, 2013 at 7:21 PM
Agreed about the acting. I really forgave a lot from Trash Oppa because Jung Woo did such an amazing job of making him likeable and showing all of this stuff going on, even if the script didn't really support it.
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Kim Yoonmi
December 1, 2013 at 10:39 AM
=P Writers write more than the dialogue, just to let you know. Writers also can write small actions and character write ups which give the actors a direction to go in. Sometimes the actors will ask the writer about the intentions they have for the character to double check that everyone in the script is on track.
'cause the worst thing that can happen is when an actor takes the character one way, the script takes it the other and the other actor that's supposed to cooperate has nothing to play because the actor doesn't line up with the script. Production is a cooperative effort, which is why *some* writers find it addicting over novel/short story writing.
Anyway, script is more than dialogue. Writers have to care about the subtleties of relationships between characters more than the actors do. (well, my experience.) Because writers see the whole picture more than the producer or the director. They initiate the overview process. =P Give us writers some credit.
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1994
December 1, 2013 at 8:46 AM
I agree about the acting, along with the directing and the basic storyline. They are all excellent. The scenes with the mall collapse were absolutely brilliantly acted out and directed because even though we know that everyone is okay in the present (2013), I still had that moment of OHGODNO don't kill chilbong! That's the sign of excellence to me. Def enough to overlook the slight flaws, including the pace of the drama. But honestly, at this point the more I get of these characters I don't mind, even if that means a one episode extension and slow pace. It can be a 50 epi drama and I'd still watch it because despite the pace, this show has SO much heart, and all the characters are well-writetn and well-executed by the actors. ~~Fighting Team 1994 !!~~
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MamanD
December 1, 2013 at 11:55 AM
I am sooo team Chilbongie! Dump Oppa and get with the baseball dude. I mean come on!
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visitor
December 1, 2013 at 11:56 AM
Yesyesyesexactly, THANK YOU!
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Tweetiebird
November 30, 2013 at 1:58 PM
Team Trash definitely back on the road. And it couldn't have happened any sooner! I totally agree with GF, I so do not like that the writers scarified the integrity of Garbage's personality to simply keep us guessing, I think that will be a weakness in this great show. But the show is so great I can't stay mad at it. What a great episode. I love Trash + goofy giggles.
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leeann
November 30, 2013 at 2:51 PM
We should seriously have a poll of Chilbongie vs. Trash vs. Haitai (Haitai, because I know there are Haitai/Na-jung shippers out there).
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Mariah
November 30, 2013 at 7:23 PM
I have a soft spot for NaTai. He comes through for her a lot more than you'd expect from such a goofy character.
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ara
November 30, 2013 at 7:23 PM
i'm a little bothered by the fact that trash oppa didn't know or notice na jung was in the room until his brother called na jung.
when you're in love, especially at the early times of the relationship, the radar for the partner should be working overtime. you would know because you can feel her. (i mean, even with just crushes, that's the case?)
also there's something weird about na jung and oppa hugs. the hugs are what you call friendly hugs or comforting hugs... the placement of the hands are off. this is the case in this episode 12 hugs [SPOILER DELETED]
basically, romantic hug is when guy's hands are placed around the girl's waist and hips, and girl's hands are placed around the guy's shoulders and neck.
but maybe because they've been oppa-dongsaeng for a long time that they are used to friendly and comforting hugs and haven't yet adjusted to romantic or lover's types of hugs.
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ara
November 30, 2013 at 7:48 PM
oh, i mentioned about romantic hugs and the basic look of a romantic hug because it's the position where the couple indicate passion and a way to you know, tell the partner that you find him sexy and you want to be intimate with him/her.
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porcelain
November 30, 2013 at 9:35 PM
I think Oppa didn't notice Najung in the room... coz he is dead tired like... pretty much dead... I am not a medical intern I wouldn't know... but I had work so hard before... that I could have end up taking the cab home from work that I am so tired and I doze off after telling the driver my address and when I woke up, I find the driver driving at snail pace and I asked him, what's up he was like, "I am sorry but you seems so tired and I am not sure of the exact route to your place and I didn't want to take a wrong turn and prolong your journey, but I didn't know how to wake you to ask you the right road that leads you home so you can sleep at the comfort of your home", I quickly told him the right turning to junction of my house. It could have end in many worse scenario, but I just want to say... Yes one could be that dead tired... Like Joonhee... and Shiwon said he is like a walking corpse/zombie... It is possible to work so hard and being so tired and you hardly notice the surrounding, even if you had the love of your life in the same room as you...
As for the hugs, it did look kinda awkward... but I guess that is the consolation to themselves and us viewers after Oppa move out to stay with his hyung... The only situation where well... Najung can ask for a hug like legally... when its all well mostly Oppa petting her head or her waist and tease her by pulling her cheeks... So I actually like those hugs... its like a familiarity code between them... to make up for the lack of closeness from being under one roof.
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ara
November 30, 2013 at 10:55 PM
That seems reasonable but then he drove her afterward and stopped to eat on the roadside? If he was really really tired, then his brother could have taken na Jung home?
I know they do skin ship as friends and sort of brother-sister, that was not weird for me. What was weird is the inclination for her, knowing that she likes him romantically, and the inclination for him, knowing that he likes her romantically and that she likes him the same way, to hug in a non-romantic manner?
But yeah, i also said that maybe they are used to doing platonic skin ship and it may take time to adjust to express their romantic feelings to each other in a romantic way.
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nina01
December 1, 2013 at 5:32 AM
My own experience from college and work. Sometimes, you'd get so tired. But something happened like you chat with somebody or you're doing something else.. you'd feel okay again for a while.
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mary
November 30, 2013 at 9:49 PM
AAAAAACK please don't write spoilers for episode 13 yet! :(
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Kim Yoonmi
November 30, 2013 at 9:49 PM
From her perspective, he didn't notice, but did you notice when he finally realized she was there after being that tired, he sat up? Before he wouldn't do things like sit up for her (First episode). He fought and slept more. And then despite being that tired, he took her home, which he wouldn't do before.
Oppa is all subtleties--the stuff that traditional Korean stories love a lot. Americans might like words, but him, he's all little actions here and there. There isn't as much of a wall, you just have to observe.
XD My bro is a stereotypical Kyeongsang Man too, so I know the type. They might trash talk you, challenge you, but then that small expressions and their actions speak louder.
But then I know my brother (real brother) better than anyone else. He's far more opaque than Oppa, though. (to most). Haha. I feel bad for the women who will date him.
Trash Oppa strikes me as that type. He didn't notice her at first, sat up, because it's the woman he likes. She's annoyed at him continuing their brother-sister relationship, but she doesn't realize him brushing her hair and patting her on the head is his version of romance and his smiling at her like that and teasing her to rile her up in just that way is his way of saying he likes her. He keeps doing all these subconscious actions towards her which are not brotherly.
Trash's struggle now is how to develop the brother-sister relationship habits into more romantic ones. And that won't be easy, especially with the cultural habits in place.
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nomad
November 30, 2013 at 9:57 PM
I haven't seen you for a while…where have you been? I"ve missed your msgs in OT.
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Kim Yoonmi
December 1, 2013 at 10:46 AM
--;; Producing a short film. XD I've learned a lot about production and who actually does and is responsible for what.
Wrote it, cast it, produced it, didn't direct it. I only did two days of filming and I was beat--wasn't even on camera. I can't imagine what it's like to do it full time. I see why actors insist on keeping in shape--it's not just for the camera, but there is a ton of standing around, getting ready, boredom, and then tons and tons of walking, standing, etc.
Was a lot more fun, though 'cause the script I wrote was funny and the actors improvised here and there.
I have to say I have a lot of respect for Reply 1994 crew after this. But also I can spot when they are lying so badly in press releases.
Michelle
November 30, 2013 at 10:32 PM
LOL yea koreans do love that subtleties stuff that you mentioned for sure haha i think thats why korean fans love him so much lol cuz they like that whole "never-says-it-to-your-face" but does all this caring stuff unexpectedly or without a need to bring attention to it. kinda like in the earlier episodes where oppa bought NJ crackers that she wanted (when she thought he had already left to school), got her that seal stuffed animal that looked like the one her brother had gotten her when she was young, did all the chores the anniversary of her bros passing, etc, etc
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Kim Yoonmi
December 1, 2013 at 10:58 AM
I have to admit that I'm also a sucker for the small actions thing.
Chilbong is a good guy and all that, but he's all words most of the time. He says he likes her, but then shows up in a grandiose way and then leaves in a grandiose way. He also asks her to places without stating his intentions--like he wants it to be a date, but he recognizes it isn't.
^^;; Trash Oppa is more direct--when he likes her, he shows her without him even noticing. (Not getting into spoilers.) He's a lot more honest towards Na Jeong and himself when he realizes it. When he saw her drifting towards Chilbong, he always came in with smaller actions and swept her off her feet all over again. He doesn't need words. (The writers seem biased towards this too... given 1997's mention of hating large events, etc.)
But then I'd be really, really biased as someone who hung onto that Korean ideal and coming from Gyeongsang. ^.~ I like that ideal from Historical dramas too and get the Korean logic of it as well.
=P Plus I love my native satoori, too. *laughs* Which makes my brother, who is fully Americanized, roll his eyes. (Jeollado, too, but that's Eomma's satoori.) =P He insists on Seoulmal in a monotone voice. <--sibling teasing.
No do satoori saranghae, aiga? 노도 사투리 사랑해아이가.
Arhazivory
November 30, 2013 at 10:17 PM
No matter how much I like a guy, if I'm dead tired I won't see him in the room. He's human after all. He walked in like a zombie with his eyes practically closed and just headed for the couch because he knows where it is even with his eyes closed.
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ara
November 30, 2013 at 11:00 PM
But he was able to be not tired enough to drive her home and eat a snack on the way?
If he was so tired to not notice her, then it makes sense that he wouldn't be able to drive her home and maybe it's better to let his brother drive her home?
It was just strange that he was so tired to notice her but he was okay enough to drive. But maybe he took a lot of coffee before driving her home, and that part was either not shown or edited out so as the audience, we did not see that.
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mimi
December 1, 2013 at 9:01 AM
I feel like you're trying way too hard to fault Oppa for being a normal human being. If someone walks into a room dead tired, probably after a ridiculously long shift at work with their eyes basically shut off, I wouldn't really make too much of the fact that they didn't notice their crush was in the room. Oppa probably didn't notice anything, and just walked up to the couch on autopilot. When he did realize Najung was in the room, he dropped her off DESPITE being so tired. I think that was an incredibly sweet thing to do and it is another proof of how special Najung is to him. I seriously cannot believe this is being used to question the legitimacy of his feelings for her. Like what even?
jessicakristine
December 1, 2013 at 1:31 AM
I agree with your observation about hugs. it's either the scriptwriters did not know body language, or the meaning of body language is different in South Korea.
chil bong and na jung's hug is the typical romantic hug but it doesn't make sense because although chil bong likes na Jung, she doesn't and the hug is between friends, one who is glad that the other is alive and one who is comforting the other while crying.
Trash oppa and na jung's hug is the typical platonic friendly hug. But probably you are right, even though they have romantic feelings for each other, their ways of expressing it have not yet adjusted from platonic expressing to romantic expressing...
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Pearlescent88
December 1, 2013 at 10:20 AM
Right there with you! Team Oppa all the way!!!
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2 Panda
November 30, 2013 at 12:08 PM
I think my Chil bong ship is sinking. Dad's friend's story was so sad. Sometimes we all hope for miracles but not all miracles are guaranteed.
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madame kim
November 30, 2013 at 8:11 PM
I can't with Chilbong. My heart is bleeding.
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Ebay
November 30, 2013 at 8:36 PM
Miracle exist! It won't!
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Reena
November 30, 2013 at 9:22 PM
Don't give up just yet! It's episode 12! It's not like we're in episode 19... lol...
OMG... my heart broke when Najung hugged Chilbongie... I can imagine the guilt she would have felt if something bad happened to him.
Dad's friend... omg. Had me in tears. My cousin died from cancer a few months ago and another aunt was just diagnosed. Dad's scene just hit me right at the feels. :(
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hosg15
December 1, 2013 at 3:07 AM
Yeah! It ain't over till it's over!
Team Chilbong, all the way!!!!
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3 Fairycutter
November 30, 2013 at 12:10 PM
Awww, the long awaited recap is here, thank you so much...
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4 Barbara Starks
November 30, 2013 at 12:15 PM
OMG the 360 degree of Trash it killing me, I just as giddy as he was! Trash and his brother is a hoot, I can't take it "YAH " I have falling in love with Trash character he is beautiful. The way he took care of "puppy" mother and how he wear his heart on his sleeve. He is want I want in a man all Trash prefect imperfections, gosh if only this man was not made up in a person head..... Side Note if anyone saw the movie He was Cool, Jung Woo kicking the wall was dejuv of Song Seung doing that exactly same cut from He was cool.....LOL
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ilikemangos
November 30, 2013 at 1:06 PM
Trash + his oppa together are comedic gold.
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porcelain
November 30, 2013 at 8:09 PM
His brother is a work of art... his tacky choice of wardrobe and how cheesy he is to Najung and he is all thinking he is the coolest dude on the block going to some clubs... The actor is just superb!!! I lol a lot in this ep thanks to him!
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selina
November 30, 2013 at 9:27 PM
traah and his hyung should get their own spin-off
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5 moar
November 30, 2013 at 12:21 PM
Yep, I'm definitely going down with CB. That scene with NJ crying and hugging him was the beating heart of this episode for me.
Oppa does NOT get a free pass for waiting around so long and letting NJ suffer (STILL)!
Also I thought Oppa's rejection of his first love's coffee date suggestion seemed to me to be a confirmation that he still had some lingering feelings for her...
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liz
November 30, 2013 at 1:08 PM
so NJ too shouldn't receive a green pass for letting poor CB suffer so much! He deserves better and NJ and T suited each other.
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Barbara Starks
November 30, 2013 at 1:48 PM
Trash is not under a timeframe to let Na-Jung know his heart! He took time to see if he can be all in and as a mature woman Na-Jung respect that and understand it because she waiting without taken her eyes off the prize. Also Trash rejection to have coffee didn't suggestion anything but he didn't have time to have coffee. Now his decision to drop her off at the substation tell you there no feeling at all!
What you fell to understand is that Trash is Na-Jung first love, Chilbong can't overcome that!
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kellyldramas
December 1, 2013 at 11:43 AM
Even though I ship CB I think you are completely right about Trash. He is not on a time limit. I think Trash as a character is a great guy.
But I still like CB better because I prefer men like him in general lol
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leeann
November 30, 2013 at 2:41 PM
Chilbongie all the way! I honestly don't think the end-game is Trash-oppa with Na-jung, just because it's way too early in the drama for that to be the case (if you recall 'Reply 1997', feelings between Shi-won and Yoon-jae weren't reciprocal until there were like 4 episodes left...and that was 16 episodes), so no worries!
And if Trash-oppa does actually turn out to be the husband...I'll sink on the Chilbongie-ship with you. *heart-breeeeaaak*
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Kdramas
November 30, 2013 at 2:54 PM
Going down with this ship.
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diana
November 30, 2013 at 6:41 PM
ikr that scene of him waving across the street at her made me dissolve into tears. don't ever worry us like that again chilbongie!
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Kim Yoonmi
December 1, 2013 at 11:23 AM
I felt like for CB that was a romantic hug where he was comforting her. For her, she was just glad he was alright. I think she doesn't see it as a date and he did see it as a date, which makes it much sadder for him. He keeps being opaque to her, but not the audience. He never has once stated it was a date when he asked her out to come to his games, because he's chicken she'll reject him.
Oppa is a lot more cautious. As someone older than the group, he doesn't work on impulse. He kinda got permission from his parents and her parents to make a move on her in a subtle way--he waited for that hurdle to clear. And then during the wedding he corrected the food error, despite him trying to get her attention by teasing her earlier, unaware she was going through the "Is this or isn't this a date?--because I know how he feels." He didn't get that. 'Cause guys aren't psychic.
The wedding wasn't the place to confess to her and he's not centered on her 24-7, either. He has his own inner world. He also respected hers, knowing she was going to meet CB later on. (Clear sense of boundaries without stating them.)
It was clear he was doing his ex a favor. The fact he DIDN'T go for coffee with her set a clear boundary that he didn't want to lead his ex on and he was making plans to try to warm up to telling NJ. From her frown and his smile it was clear she got the message that he was over her, which is what he wanted.
Then he gaged her feelings--because CB said he confessed to her, so she could have been swayed, which is when he did things like hugged her and didn't let her see him smiling and grabbed her hand and asked for a date directly, but playfully. He's being cautious, because unlike CB he has a ton more to lose if this should fail to pan out. He could lose NJ entirely. He could start a rivalry between his parents and her parents. And as the one older he carries all that responsibility which CB never has to worry about. (Which he directly stated to Haitai). And also NJ doesn't have to worry about. He knows what breaking up is like. NJ and CB doesn't. He's going to be more cautious.
When you're young you want love to be all centered on you 24-7, but as you fall in love, break up and gain experience in what you like and don't like the healthier relationship tends to be the one where there are new things to bring to the relationship because each person has their own lives and what counts isn't thinking of them 24-7, but making the time that they spend together as a couple count. Brilliantly shown, BTW.
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6 0live13ranch
November 30, 2013 at 12:21 PM
I'm happy for NJ but sad for CB :(
It feels like CB character has been put to the side. He only has a few short scene. If he doesn't end up with NJ, I just hope the writer will give CB another girl that will love and adore him as much as he does for NJ. He deserves it!!!!!!!!
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celotehnels
November 30, 2013 at 6:14 PM
I agree!
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Panda
November 30, 2013 at 9:18 PM
I agree too. but if he ends up with baseball girl -___-
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7 ebay
November 30, 2013 at 12:24 PM
I am totally rotting for Chilbonggie, and i really feel bad in this episode. Though i was moved when, Na Jeung was over worried about the news (i cried too!). But, we can not fool ones' heart when it's inlove. And it's also nice to see Oppa Trash being real about his feeling for Na Jeung. The meeting of the two family in Trash hyung is really a plus for team Trash (sad face). Still, i am expecting for a twist that somehow, Na Jeung will see Chilbonggie in different limelight (happy face again!).
And ooppsss, did anyone notice that Chilbonggie, has a nice voice in the opening scene where he's singing for baby joon. Does he really sings for real?
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Kdramas
November 30, 2013 at 12:34 PM
YYS has done theatre in the past. Recently he sang and played the piano at a wedding. There's a YT vid of the same.
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srainy
November 30, 2013 at 4:25 PM
do you have a link?
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8 fanjing
November 30, 2013 at 12:27 PM
ahhh a;lsdkjf;lajsdf
this episode was so heartwrenching in many ways...
but hey, Chilbong definitely has a fighting spirit. TEAM CHILBONG ALL THE WAY.
but I feel like Najung, deep down inside, really does like Chilbong (or maybe even more) because of such a reaction after the collapse...
Their show puts in so much symbolism into their relationship, ahh!
I sincerely hope Chilbong is end game :)
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moar
November 30, 2013 at 12:38 PM
hear, hear
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cacazeel
November 30, 2013 at 12:51 PM
I think at this stage, najong's feelings towards chilbongie is only as a friend. She cried because she was worried he might have been inside the collapsed building. Even yoon jin was crying. It is because all of them have formed such close bonds as friends. I think anybody would be worried sick to the point of crying if you know that your friend might be in an accident.
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sobohomom
December 1, 2013 at 7:11 AM
NJ's desperate, powerful concern for CB (plus all the allusions to miracles) still makes me think that NJ cares tremendously about CB, but doesn't know it, yet.
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9 Elise
November 30, 2013 at 12:30 PM
Oppa got game!
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10 TP
November 30, 2013 at 12:32 PM
Yes, yes, Oppa made a move (FINALLY!). A few things to point out though:
!) You know what's funny? Remember when Oppa said that he didn't want to break the family bond between him and Na Jung and didn't date her? It really contradicts his statements when his family (and hers, too) were openly supporting their possible relationship. What was he really thinking?
2) During the wedding banquet, I was so disappointed that Oppa did not defend Na Jung. As soon as his first love appeared, he disregarded Na Jung and did nothing when the Hyung told her to sit somewhere else. Seriously?
By the way, I must commend Jung Woo's acting skills. The man could do aegyo like no other without it looking tacky! :D
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Michelle
November 30, 2013 at 1:03 PM
yea his aegyo is srsly the cutest thing ever!! and he jumps from super cute to super serious (crying scene in the hospital
:( ) really well!! such an amazing actor....
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liz
November 30, 2013 at 1:11 PM
She was friends with the other at the table and was just being polite. NJ sit with her friends.
Plus, oppa fear is not the family being against their relationship, BUT what will happen with their family relationship IF they didn't work out? It could ruin their friendship since for each parent their child are precious and how dare he/she do it to their child?
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ilikemangos
November 30, 2013 at 1:12 PM
I get what you mean. It makes trash's excuse even less serious/acceptable. Obviously his family and her family have no issues with them getting married. Perhaps he thinks about what would happen if they were to break up. Awkward? But it shouldn't matter. Their families have been so close that their son and daughter dating and then breaking up shouldn't make a dent in their close relationship.
Anyways, i'm glad we're behind that wishy washy stuff and since oppa's stepping up his game let's hope we don't have to yell at oppa to explain. But i've realized that has alot to do with oppa as a character -- goofy/cheery on the outside, thoughtful on the inside.. reserved with his feelings.
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jozie
November 30, 2013 at 1:33 PM
Ummm, I had a friend who just did this. Dated someone close to her family. It didn't work. And now the family has to deal with the fallout. It's not a fun situation, especially at holidays when your ex brings his new girlfriend and everyone expects everyone to get along peachy. My friend is thinking of avoiding her own family at holidays for awhile.
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11 Panda
November 30, 2013 at 12:35 PM
I'm still mad at oppa. I really want Chil bong to make the home run!! He never shied away when he knew that na jung liked oppa. Chil bong needs more scenes. More!!!!!!! Lol
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feeling_meh
November 30, 2013 at 8:22 PM
I get trash oppa and all,and it is pretty clear that he is theend game. The writers clearly favor him, though it is pretty frustrating that he should have been clear in the first place instead of frustrating us. He is a great character, but on the ROMANTIC angle of the story,he has little depth. Everything has been laid out to him: the girl likes him, their parents are in a good relationship, he knows the girl too well - there's actually no deep conflict.
Chilbong on the oher hand, has little depth in his character as his screentime is just baseball or na jung which is also frustrating because in the ROMANTIC angle,he is theone who is actuallt growing, feeling his first love, doing really2 cute stupid things because of it, having his first pain.
It's just sad that the writers are just using his character to put trash and na jung closer, and will end like other stereotypical secondleads - he producing the needed conflict in the romantic part of the drama, and after not having the girl, either a martyr on the end - like leejung jae - or he gets another girl which cannot actually compensate for his poorcharacter :(
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Panda
November 30, 2013 at 9:22 PM
I totally agree with you. On a personal note, I feel as if Oppa only had the courage to confront his feelings because of Chil Bong's challenge. This week focused on Na jung and Trash. Next week, I hope we see the writers develop Chil Bong's character more.
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12 sseuregi opp-wa
November 30, 2013 at 12:35 PM
Yes! a man who offers his hand to the girl instead of dragging her around by the hand or barking orders. Loved the Oppa-Najung scenes. I've been rewatching Answer me'97 and they feel like Yoonjae & Shiwon. The hug was so cute and i was a mirror image of Najung rocking to and fro in excitement when Oppa called.
Oppa and his brother are like two giggling schoolgirls and the combined effect of their sseuregi-ness is so much fun. The AnswerMe series has a gift for casting the perfect characters!
Everyone's acting was beyond great this episode. Dad, Oppa's lone tear, Najung's panic and that moment when all the beepers went off sent a chill down my spine.
I'm team Oppa-Najung all the way and I really hope Chilbong and the Baseball girl end up together. I can feel sparks there or at least that she likes him. Watching Answer Me's finale, they had this reel of scenes that were dropped throughout the drama of Yoonjae's brother and his future wife meetings so I think or rather hope, baseball girl will make appearances in the future.
As for Oppa's first love. I thought his rejection of her coffee date was the nail on the coffin of him being over her. He was just so blase about it and not in the lovestricken way. but in the 'i don't notice any girl besides Najung now' way
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DayDreamer
November 30, 2013 at 1:00 PM
Oppa's hyung actually really felt like a true hyung...I mean, both of their mannerisms were sooo uncannily alike and they even kinda had same facial features that for a moment I thought he might be Jung Woo's (less good-looking, lol) real hyung. Great acting from that guy.
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ilikemangos
November 30, 2013 at 1:13 PM
Great casting on their part. I can't see anyone else playing his hyung. When they were both giggling like a bunch of girls talking about trash's crush, i died.
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13 windsun33
November 30, 2013 at 12:38 PM
In this case I don't think the single episode extension can hurt it much. Mostly it seems that things go wrong when they have more than two.
I am way behind on this for some reason, looks like Drama Fever is not sending out the alerts for new episodes, so might try and catch up today.
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Panda
November 30, 2013 at 12:40 PM
You should try Viki it's up already
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windsun33
November 30, 2013 at 12:55 PM
I have a Drama Fever and Viki sub, but I told DF to send me an email alert for new episodes, and have not been getting them, so I am about 5 episodes behind. I prefer DF because it has ROKU app that works directly with my bigger screen TV.
Was going shopping, but the crowds are a mess, so today might be a good day to catch up.
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ilikemangos
November 30, 2013 at 12:52 PM
It's way better than the heirs stuff you're annoyed with, that's for sure. ;)
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windsun33
November 30, 2013 at 12:57 PM
Yeah, I need to get away from obsessing with that "other show". It frustrates me to no end, but I can't stop, so I need something lighter and more fun, like this one.
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Ace
November 30, 2013 at 10:58 PM
Better for us too who are entertained by it.
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14 leeezzzzz
November 30, 2013 at 12:42 PM
Ohh......I love it that oppa stepped up to the plate. The only way that NJ can get over her crush is for them to have a relationship and then NJ realize that oppa is not the one for her. CB has a chance now cuz I feel that he could never have NJ completely if there were any lingering and unrequited emotions for oppa. CB can still be the husband we are a little over the half way mark. Still lots of episodes left to make a turn around.
Did anyone notice that oppa ' s first love wore yellow to the wedding and then NJ wore yellow on her date with oppa. Wonder if that was intentional.
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leeann
November 30, 2013 at 2:44 PM
I second this! (about how Na-jung can get over Trash-oppa to be with Chilbongie)
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15 Z
November 30, 2013 at 12:46 PM
FINALLY!!! Oppa confesses!! Well, was it a confession or has Najung been reduced to grasping at straws like the rest of us? I'm gonna go with confession because that's the only wait to get the ball rolling around here.
I didn't know what to do with my loyalties this episode. During that disgusting car scene I was like "Well, you've touched Trash's buggers, now you have to marry him." Then when Bongie was putting cucumbers on her face I was all "But Chilbong is too cute for words, you have to marry him." Then, at the wedding when Trash's parents were fawning over her I was all "But Oppa's mom loves you, you have to marry him." Then the mall collapsed and I was like "Bongie almost died! You have to marry him!"
I was so upset with Oppa when he told his brother that he would confess to Najung after his training was over. I'm guessing it's been several weeks since he and Bongie had their Symbolic Baseball Showdown of Fate. Is this what he calls going head to head for her heart? Though, apparently Bongie's idea of going head to head is making Najung do his homework... that's equally weak, but at least doing it his way means he's obligated to take her out on dates.
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Z
November 30, 2013 at 1:26 PM
Also, that opening montage of the boys babysitting made my entire life!
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ilikemangos
November 30, 2013 at 2:00 PM
Haha. love! They can hold it over sook sookie when he's older. 'We raised you with blood sweat and tears so you BETTER do something worthy in your life'
Ah, i love this family.
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porcelain
November 30, 2013 at 9:42 PM
I dunno if I am upset they didn't show an actual baby but a bundle of blankets... But I guess it was not meant for the baby to steal the show literally... but I love them babysitting to Gayo Top 10... Its like setting Sooksookie up for idol-dom!
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16 Panda
November 30, 2013 at 12:49 PM
I really hope her relationship with trash oppa is just a first love learning type of thing. Na jung is too delusional about oppa that she doesn't see Chil bong's sincerity
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Annie
November 30, 2013 at 2:02 PM
What difference does it make if CB is sincere?
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amara
November 30, 2013 at 3:09 PM
the fact that she can't even like who she likes without people getting upset that she doesn't like cb back is absurd to me
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Violet
November 30, 2013 at 5:05 PM
I second that, a.
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Katie
November 30, 2013 at 5:38 PM
Hear hear!!
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bogosipeoyo
November 30, 2013 at 8:38 PM
this.
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17 mina
November 30, 2013 at 12:54 PM
Oppa being all shy when Najung came in all dolled up at the wedding was the cutest thing ever.
I have a bad feeling about my ship, because things are going too well for them and there's still 9 episodes left. But, I really, really hope the writers are trying to pull some double inception type shit here by having us think oppa is the bait, but really chilbongie is the bait, and oppa is the husband. Did that even make sense? This drama, I swear to god! :D
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DayDreamer
November 30, 2013 at 1:03 PM
I don't care what the writers pull as long is Oppa is the endgame. ;)
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Michelle
November 30, 2013 at 1:07 PM
AMEN!!! my hope is that yes, there will inevitably be a BIG storm awaiting NJ and oppa. there will prob be a time jump and they will break up over a misunderstanding or an acute relationship issue. then NJ will question her feelings for oppa and feel something for CB. THEN NJ will realize again that she can never get over oppa and have to go back to him ;) HAHAHA
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Amell
November 30, 2013 at 3:45 PM
I feel it too, episode 12 is too soon for a 20/21 episode drama, something bad is going to happen.
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18 DayDreamer
November 30, 2013 at 12:56 PM
Girlfriday, I luff you so much. You wrote exactly what I was thinking. Aside from that, I'll just say that I am extremely grateful that Oppa was at least in time to give Na Jeong real hope that her love towards him might be requited. The last episode and the first half of this episode had me feeling so desolate that Oppa was going to somehow be too late but there's hope yet for Team Oppa-yah. Woohoo.
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19 ilikemangos
November 30, 2013 at 12:59 PM
I think i was more annoyed than mad at trash.
But he's such a wonderful human being and i think that's what people have been forgetting in these past few episodes where we didn't really see much of his feelings.
Everything he does for everyone around him is so selfless because he never asks for anything in return and he does it without people knowing (a good example this episode was when he made sure the nurse took care of binggeuri's sick mother).
I really loved the moment where na jung was crying and ran for chilbongie. We all knew he was going to be alive (thanks, 2013) but i still teared up.. And it was because samcheonpo, yoon jin, and haitai were all worried about their friends.. And that's what REALLY got me this episode. They've come such a long way.
My heart seriously goes out to chilbongie i wish he does end up with someone he loves. I don't think he'll have a hard time (since he's so popular with the girls too), but i'll take him if no one else does <3
Na jung, as long as you're happy, and you're with someone who loves you as much as you love him.. I'm happy. :)
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nomad
November 30, 2013 at 9:56 PM
I had to rewind and stopped at the way CB looked after NJ crying and hugging him. He looked like he was about to cry myself. I'm certainly self-projecting, but I thought…that's so what a person who loves feels like. That you'd cry with the person you love, even though you don't have a reason to. You're just hurting because the other person is hurting.
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Arhazivory
November 30, 2013 at 10:21 PM
I started to tear up when everyone was calling for Na Jeong and seeing Yoon Jin cried just did me in. That was a really emotional couple minutes.
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20 tura
November 30, 2013 at 12:59 PM
Aww poor Chilbongi, don't worry cause since this ep is about miracles am sure there's a miracle that will make NJ love u or maybe she already does she just needs to realize it. Oppa is being so cute in this ep that its hard for not to forgive him.
TEAM CHILBONGI FIGHTING its not over yet.
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21 Yuki
November 30, 2013 at 1:01 PM
Still Team Chilbongie all the way :D
Though I have to say the other storylines and Oppa are moving my heart too, this drama is so good!
As Na Jung likes Trash oppa so much, it's nice, and kind of satisfying, to see them together...the thing is Oppa's behaviour is so confusing that sometimes it is difficult to me, to believe that he likes her. I can't feel the tension between them. With Chilbongie is different, you can feel his passion just when he looks at her...or maybe I'm just too biased XD
Btw, I don't understand quite well the way Na Jung behaves with Chilbongie after his confession, it is like nothing happened. I'd have loved to see a couple of awkward moments between them, before forgetting the confession and the kiss, no? The story would be more complete this way. Now, it feels like they cut something. If a friend confesses, it takes time to feel comfortable with him again, I think...
Well, I just want all of them to be happy, especially sweet Chilbong, haha!!
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Z
November 30, 2013 at 1:21 PM
Yeah I think the problem is that it the show jumped ahead a few months so we never got to see the fallout from the confession. I thought they might address it with teh awkwardness of Bongie now officially living there but they gave this episode to Oppa.
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Yuki
November 30, 2013 at 3:01 PM
Awww...I hope you're right and we can see something next episode.
It would be exciting to see some tension between Chilbongie and Na Jung (*w*) ...This way we can imagine that she maybe feels something and Chilbong has a chance in the future :D
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nina01
November 30, 2013 at 8:52 PM
I've had confessions of guys liking me. I'm the type who didn't know how to handle it. So, I just went on being friends with them like nothing's happened.
Even if that guy were so cute, if I didn't like him, I just don't and whatever he did to show his feelings, I didn't feel anything because I couldn't.
Love/like is something that can't be forced.. if it happens.. it happens..
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eetsuko
November 30, 2013 at 10:25 PM
I agree. Although I know that Chilbong asked Na Jeong not to say anything butbutbut the most she could do if she really was in love with oppa was to reject him properly. Well it's easy to say, but since they've developed a friendship, I'm pretty sure Na Jeong is also scared of losing that but come on, doesn't she feel anything when Chilbong keeps trying to find ways to hang out with her. At least, she should be aware that he has ulterior motives and that she should just shut him down. After all time and time again, we've seen how Na Jeong is so open with her feelings, she likes what she likes and she doesn't take any crap from anybody. I just hope that she properly rejects him if the case is that she doesn't like him at all. I'm saying this of course as a Chilbongie shipper, as I do not want to see him hurt anymore. >_< [Yoo Yeon Seok, my gosh, can you channel CB's hurt and frustration!]
Don't get me wrong though I like the Na Jeong character and well, we really cannot blame her, she is who she is. But I think to leave Chilbong hanging is a bit out of step of her character.
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eetsuko
November 30, 2013 at 10:32 PM
And I just had to add that even being a CB shipper, since we're starting to see a bit of reciprocation of the love between Na Jeong and Oppa-garbage, CB's actions are starting to look creepy to me [of course we can't blame him he doesn't know about the progress between Na Jeong and Oppa-garbage] but as I've said, since we are starting to see hints of reciprocation, the show is being unfair to Chilbong by showing him hanging around NJ all the time.
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22 Dmko01
November 30, 2013 at 1:02 PM
Thank you gf for the great recap.
Love,love Oppa. so cute!!
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23 Kerstin
November 30, 2013 at 1:06 PM
I'm so in love with this show it's not even funny. I fell in love with Oppa - Jung woo is such a good actor. When he lost that patient and cried that single tear, it felt like he was so lost in that moment and it was heartbreakingly beautiful.
And the concern the friends showed for the others got me, I cried buckets of tears, seeing this. Najungies reaction that Chilbongie was alive & healthy and blissfully unaware what had happened at that shopping mall, they were supposed to meet, cause Najung wanted to see this new mall and eat there, was wonderful played.
Can't wait for the next episodes.
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24 insomniac
November 30, 2013 at 1:11 PM
Jung Woo!! Take a bow man. Yoou are freaking fantastic. The scene where he sees the watch guy die and sheds a single tear gave me goosebumps.. The very next scene you had me squealing with your adorable blushing.. This guy is completely smitten...
I loved everyone's concern for one another this episode. I had a lump in my throat he whole time. Appa scene made me break down completely.. Actor who plays Appa is amazing..
I wish they give CB some other story line besides fawning over Na Jung. CB has done nothing to impress me so far his character is just Meh compared to Trash Oppa. Inspite of Oppa being frustrating and vague i could not root for Cb. I found out why today. Like seriously the guy had like 5 minutes screen time and its only with Na Jung in each episode. Does he not have any other priorities in life. There is Baseball but still. If you want me to consider this a fair game them make him a fair contender. Yeah he wears his heart in his sleeve.
Even Na jung with her unwavering(yet) love for Oppa seems to have sweet moments with everyone.
YJ and SCP continues to be the couple that manages to keep everyone entertained even after knowing that they are end game. Just do the same for the lead couple. It is frustrating in one episode after another even though i am invested in the mystery I just think that the writers comprise the characters sometimes for the mystery effect.
The stuffed toys continue to tell us the episode progress. I dont know how many people notice.
Did i mention i love Jung Woo....
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ghanima
November 30, 2013 at 1:18 PM
I just posted the same.
Both about the hospital scene and about CB.
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ilikemangos
November 30, 2013 at 1:19 PM
I would love it if chilbongie is given more screen time and given more material other than his love for na jung and baseball.
He's such a great character -- and he's a fighter, no less. If the writer doesn't make him end game i hope she gives him his own story where he'll end up with a nice girl.
That's the only way she'll make it up to chilbongie shippers (if she chooses trash as endgame). To leave it at that.. would be such a shame. But it gives me hope because in the 2013 timeline they're all getting along pretty well and most of all look HAPPY. so that's the image i stick in my head to weather all storms.
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Katie
November 30, 2013 at 5:44 PM
I agree. Even if I'm on Team Oppa I WANT/NEED/MUST HAVE more Chilbong time. He's obviously a caring, lovable guy who is devoted to his girl, but we don't get to see ANYTHING. He gets 5 minutes of air time, half is devoted to baseball. Come on, if he's a male lead give him lines, situations, things that we can swoon over. I'm not fawning over Chilbong because I haven't seen enough of him. I saw glimpses in 7-8 of his awesomeness and I wavered on Oppa, but what happened after that? I want more of a fight.
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porcelain
November 30, 2013 at 9:47 PM
There was this earlier episode of his mom's wedding and his phone message scene... and then Samcheonpo gisaeng halmoni scene with him... so Chilbong does have material which he ace it... not that he does have his moment...
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porcelain
November 30, 2013 at 9:49 PM
*not that he does NOT have his moment… he does...
just to add on, its how the story is flesh out, it makes his role seems to only be 2 things in life - Najung & baseball... but we see a little more now... boy is not exactly great in schoolwork... so there is development to his role.
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DayDreamer
November 30, 2013 at 1:36 PM
Well said! Oppa is so much more well-rounded/more fleshed out as a character that he seems all that more fantastic and compelling compared to Chilbongie. Chilbongie's cute and I do enjoy his sweet crush on Na Jung but Oppa is just on a whole other level. He's depicted as a very loving and dependable son to NJ's parents, a protective hyung to Binguerre, a fun guy to his friends, and a respectable doctor-to-be to his patients and colleagues. I know it's not Chilbongie's fault per se, but he's rather flat as a character. He's mostly centered around NJ...which only leads me to the conclusion that he's just the extra thorn in the Opaa-NJ ship, lol.
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disfigurine
November 30, 2013 at 3:27 PM
Wow, I can't believe what I'm reading. Chilbong..not impressing...not a fair contender..?? Have you guys not watched this show carefully? This is the only episode where Oppa finally picked up his game. The rest of the episodes, Chilbong was winning by margins in both NJ and her parents. Chilbong has shown to be just as good a son to NJ's parents as Oppa. Example 1) Oppa gave NJ's mom tacky makeup ep 6. Chilbong gave NJ's mom a Chanel No. 5 & gave NJ's dad fancy liquor. 2) Oppa is lazy & messy. The man can't even make his own rice. Chilbong helps wash the dishes a lot. 3) Both of them respect and love NJ's parents. Do you not see the love CB shoots at NJ's dad and mom. Did you forget the moment when CB called NJ's mom "mom" in their accent?
I could also write an essay on why CB is a better husband for NJ but that would be another story. I love Oppa a lot and I honestly believe he can continue being awesome and fine without being in a romantic relationship with NJ. I don't ship them because I view them as brothers and sisters. And after this episode, I can say the same. I'll cringe if they ever kiss and even the hand holding this episode made me cringe a little. Oppa should just stay Oppa.. Not NJ's husband. And just because Oppa is a more fleshed out character, that doesn't deduct CB from being a worst contender for NJ's heart. When it comes to NJ's CB is the better fleshed out character to be her husband imo. The only thing that is going to make me accept that Oppa is better for NJ is because she loves him and that's her choice. But with everything that has been shown, CB is an epic contender. If NJ didn't already have feelings for Oppa, I'm sure Oppa would have been doomed.
After this episode, I'm still not awestruck with Oppa. The only part where Oppa won brownie points from me was when he showed up for the musical at the end. Everything else? Oppa stayed the same. He still hasn't officially confessed. NJ still has no idea of his feelings. I didn't like how Oppa: 1) Didn't even notice NJ in his home as if she is so unnoticeable. 2) Continues to pinch her cheeks and pat her head. That is not romantic at all. Again, this is why I can only view them in a brother-sister light. My brother does that all the time and it drives me insane. 3) Asks NJ if she's on her period. Seriously? It's not attractive to say that to a women. 4) Ignore's NJ's request to not dip his food in her ddukboki. 5) When he disregard NJ and said nothing when his hyung told her to sit somewhere else. Ugh.
My point is, Oppa is like a brother. Every episode proves that. He's not romantic at all. That is my main challenge to shipping him with NJ. I love Oppa's character but I can never root for him as the husband for NJ.
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Michelle
November 30, 2013 at 3:44 PM
i completely understand why some ppl see trash's treatment of NJ (pinch cheeking etc.) not as romantic. i agree that it is not romantic in that typical movie-like, picture-perfect way. couples arent necessarily always cut out to be "romantic".NJ and oppas relationship is so much more than the stereotypical romance. yes, CB is more of a TYPICAL gentleman - the one who opens doors and takes girls out to fancy dinners perhaps. but trash and NJ relationship transcends that - they were always there for each other since they were young. they understand each other without even saying a word. they share a painful memory of losing a brother/bf and the mere presence of each other is comforting.
i dont understand how ppl can not see the chemistry between NJ and oppa. did u not see the nervous excitement that they both exuded at the end of the episode before their date? do u not sense the new tension that has settled between them (i.e. when NJ brushes his cheek. going on the musical date. hugging) ? i think ppl dont think its possible to have a romance with the backdrop of being super close friends as well. there is a phrase "part time lovers, full time friends".
the romance has to be there, but it doesnt have to consume the entire relationship.
in addition, all the things u note about CB being a good son to NJs parents are so artificial as in oh he bought them better presents. oh he does the dishes more. but at the end of the day, trash to them is like the son they never had. their relationship runs deep.
and even thought i am a trashxNJ shipper i do no deny CBs chemistry with NJ. i think they have a reall adorable chemistry together that really lights up the screen. :) however, i dont think its more than a puppy love.
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disfigurine
November 30, 2013 at 4:15 PM
They have a brother sister vibe to me even when NJ brushed Oppa's cheek and during their hug. The things I noted doesn't show that Chilbong is artificial. It shows that CB is considerate and helpful. How is washing the dishes artificial? I'm starting to question if you understand the term.. Chilbong also acts like the son they never had even though he knows nothing about the son they lost. He treats them with love and respect. You can view that as artificial all you want, but I don't agree. After this episode I'm still questioning why oppa had to take so long to realize his feelings. I really don't. Everything in this episode contradicted his fears. I seriously rather ship Haitai with NJ then with oppa.
On another note which has nothing to do with the above post, I just wnted to comment that some oppa fans are being just as annoying as some chilbong fans. Oppa fans made it seem as if only chilbong fans were annoying but the oppa fans who claim chilbong is creepy are seriously making me upset.
Saima
November 30, 2013 at 4:39 PM
@Kate- am just SO over Garbage. He's a great guy and doctor-in-training but is he a great romantic partner to NJ? Despite being 4 yrs older than the others his continuous erroneous ways where NJ is concerned bother, frustrate, & anger me.
ilikemangos
November 30, 2013 at 5:20 PM
"On another note which has nothing to do with the above post, I just wnted to comment that some oppa fans are being just as annoying as some chilbong fans. Oppa fans made it seem as if only chilbong fans were annoying but the oppa fans who claim chilbong is creepy are seriously making me upset."
Kate, you're starting an unnecessary fan war with that statement. Just let it go.
I understand the statement that chilbong is creepy is upsetting since i love his character, but there are ways of defending him(as i tried below) without sounding butt hurt. A comment about chilbongie not in your favor does not mean that they're necessarily a trash shipper and vice versa. Why does someone have to be a trash shipper if they don't necessarily understand chilbongie, and why does someone have to be a chilbongie shipper if they don't understand trash?
I'd be ignorant to say that isn't 100% the case, but i'd probably focus more on the good stuff that doesn't revolve around trash and na jung in these next few episodes if i were you.
disfigurine
November 30, 2013 at 6:18 PM
I'm basing this because the comments I read even clearly implied they were oppa fans. I never said oppa shippers, I said oppa FANS. And saying how I sound butt hurt shows that you are clearly trying to provoke me. Your comment doesn't make the situation better. I have directly defended CB with evidence explaining how he isn't creepy in old posts from other episodes. That didn't stop the comments as it is doubling. So why is it ok for other people (mainly oppa fans) to say that some CB fans are annoying and not okay for me to state how some oppa fans aren't innocent of being respectful to CB fans? You are saying that I'm starting a fan war when other people are the ones that started this. Aren't they the ones that started this? You clearly know that some oppa fans keep calling some cb fans annoying but when I call SOME oppa fans annoying for the first time, suddenly it's just me that is starting the war?? Whatever. I guess there's no freedom of speech in dramabeans anymore without someone bashing me when I've been nothing but reasoning. I tried to stay calm but some comments don't stop and I have to call upon them. The irony..
josh
November 30, 2013 at 7:25 PM
@kate
You need to take a chill pill.
disfigurine
November 30, 2013 at 7:32 PM
How about you need to mind your own business?
xeternity
November 30, 2013 at 7:44 PM
man some people get so invested in a ship that they get overly defensive with every little thing.
no one's bashing you kate, you're just being sensitive to what people say and over-thinking things.
mintychips
November 30, 2013 at 7:46 PM
@ ilikemangos you shouldn't call Kate butt hurt. Obviously she would reply back upset.
@ Josh you shouldn't really tell Kate to take a chill pill. It's not going to calm her. You know you're making the situation worst?
@ kate I see your point but tone it down a bit gurll. I see how everything is making you upset and how other people's comments aren't helping but just ignore them.
Can you all just end this discussion that's becoming ugly?
disfigurine
November 30, 2013 at 8:17 PM
I think everyone is failing to see that I'm not getting defensive about anything other than the fact that people are calling CB creepy/disgusting. And I bet everyone is reading my comment in a argumentative and over-emotional way, but I honestly wasn't bewildered and butt hurt as everyone seems to read my post. That could be my fault for not wording my words better. Besides, I ship NJ-CB, but I'm not obsessed with the idea of them ending up together. I even stated that I'm fine with T-NJ endgame but would never root for them. I wouldn't cry or be upset if CB lost. About me being sensitive, I am. Maybe, it's because I was waiting in line yesterday for black friday shopping, and the last ticket that belonged to me was given to the person behind me. Maybe, that's why I'm more upset at people and perhaps, being more on the fence than usual. But as mintychips commented, I really didn't need the unnecessary replies I was given. My comment was as harmless as everyone else's until I was described as creating unnecessary fan war, when as proven, no fan war has started and how I was told I should have defended CB from being called creeping when I already did before but ilikemangos just assume I was being butt hurt and saying nonsense. I'm willing to end this once and for all. I'll just stop commenting to you people here because no one understands my point.
DayDreamer
November 30, 2013 at 10:48 PM
@ Kate:
If it helps, I wasn't reading your comment as being argumentative or over-emotional. I think you put out good points but I just happen to be one of the people who see chemistry between NJ and Oppa and ship them, hehe. So while I may not agree, I do feel bad that your comments were responded to a bit harshly. And I certainly hope it doesn't keep you from discussion even with us that are Team Oppa.
Saima
November 30, 2013 at 4:35 PM
Amen sistahhhh!!~~
This week's episodes have been very hard on us Chilbongie-NJ shippers. I had loads to write but my heart hasn't recovered proper from the whiplash of the writer giving us that poignant hug followed by NJ spazzing while talking over the phone w/ garbage. I only ask the writer to let us down gently... that whiplash effect upset me immensely.
I HOPE the writers develop CB further so that there's more to him than just liking NJ. More CB scenes will also be much appreciated. The one thing that got to me about the hug was seeing CB being floored that NJ cared even a teensy bit about him. He's always so in sync to NJ's feels - he didn't shrug off her concern or make a joke out of it. Where NJ is concerned he pays 100% attention. He's this perfect guy who comes from a broken home, has yet to develop stronger bonds w/ the housemates (when Grae gave him the cut direct in the epi when he drops out from med school really bothered me) but has a positive outlook on situations and is trying so hard to continue pursuing the girl he likes. It just breaks my heart on his imminent heartbreak. The only okayish thing abt (the ending) this episode was that CB doesn't know that NJ-GB are dating. Quite a bleak silver lining, if it is one.
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eetsuko
November 30, 2013 at 10:44 PM
Agree agree agree... Can't agree more. If CB and NJ doesn't end up together, then the least the writers could do is to develop him and not put him on the sidelines. He did say he will fight for his love after all. I'm actually a bit upset, that the writers went to the relationship route so early on, because how can CB fight for his love when there is already a coupling on the horizon. Once there is a clear signal of reciprocation, I won't blame viewers if they perceived CB's actions as creepy. I won't blame them but I would know that such a thing would be unfair given what we know about CB being this sweet guy who doesn't want to give up on his love.
insomniac
November 30, 2013 at 10:56 PM
Man it got hot in here.. I am sorry if i offended anyone with my CB is a not a fair contender point. The fact is he does not seem like a fair contender from my point of view as he does not seem to have character depth his only interactions are with Na Jung or about Baseball. It does not make him bad i just dont see the depth i see in Oppa. I mean that guy has practically had scenes with everyone and come out shining in everyone of them. His scenes with his bro were amazing and makes you fall more for his character than ever. There are no scenes like this for CB is my point.
That said i do agree that Oppa is not perfect in fact he is far from it. I am disappointed constantly at how he treats Na Jung. The wedding dinner scene with his ex is an example. Still i feel like I know him like really understand him, even if he makes me frustrated i can understand where he is coming from. I dont feel that with CB. I honestly like CB he seems like a nice guy but thats it I dont feel I know him even barely except for his love for Na Jung. He is sweet to everyone and loves Baseball and Na Jung. The only scene he had moments to shine was at phone booth with his mom but that seems a while ago. Of course this is all coming from a place of absolute Jung Woo bias so can silly.
There are 8 LONG episodes to go. The writers can make everyone fall so in love with CB and wish for nothing more than CB and Na Jung to get together. Anything can happen so peace.
DayDreamer
November 30, 2013 at 10:35 PM
@ Kate:
I'm not trying to say that Chilbongie is not impressive nor a fair contender. Actually, he is both of these. I'm just saying that in my view, Oppa is a level above him in being this three dimensional character. He just seems to be written as more integrative whereas the focus of Chilbongie is more centered around NJ. Not that it's a bad thing. I just feel that if the writer is building up Oppa's character so much and settling Chilbongie into this one-note track, then it must mean the Oppa ship is sailing.
As for you thinking that CB makes a better husband and that Oppa feels more like just an oppa, well, that's just your opinion. I respect it and to some extent, understand it. You are free to think that just as I am free to be a biased Jung Woo fan, to love Oppa-yah, and to firmly root for Team Oppa. We can just agree to disagree on who should be the endgame.
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disfigurine
December 1, 2013 at 12:13 AM
Thanks DayDreamer. That was more of the comment I was expecting. Again, thanks for being polite and a bit understanding. I feel a little better ;) like I really didn't need the comments above. They didn't have a purpose other than to provoke me but your comment was objective and had a purpose.
I also respect oppa shippers a lot and I also like oppa's character so it's not like I'm a crazy CB fan. Everything I said above was to show how he was impressive to me and NJ's parents because I misunderstood your comment and thought you guys were not seeing the CB I'm seeing. I see that is not the case and that you guys were just stating that oppa is more three dimensional. That is where I will say I agree :)
DayDreamer
December 1, 2013 at 9:56 AM
Don't worry about it, Kate. Even if you misunderstood, it was fine because I also get where you're coming from in that Oppa still seems brotherly. In response to that one point, I somewhat agree but I also agree with Kim Yoonmi's comment above that Oppa is still trying to change from oppa to a romantic partner which will take a lot of work and time. And yeah, some of the comments were uncalled for. But I'm glad you feel better now. Don't take it to heart….sometimes we can get very impassioned and misunderstand. It happens to me too….I'll be so biased over a character/actor and when someone criticizes him/her, I'll be riled up. But then I wait at least twenty minutes before replying why I disagree or not even reply at all (because they actually made a lot of sense once I cleared my head) because I want to be objective and not make a fool out of myself, lol.
25 bibapr57
November 30, 2013 at 1:15 PM
Although I love Trash.. I'm not sure I can get behind the 360 of the character... This should have been shown a little earlier in the game. At this point I believe that Na-Jung is going to have a hard time deciding where her true affections lie.. And we cant forget how Haitai plays into all of this, for we know he too has stakes in the game.. Those looks he gives Na-Jung and how he worries about her... It will be interesting to see where the writers take the story line... But I'm still 100% TEAM CHILBONGIE, he is way too cute to be just wasted in the story, and although I love Oppa I don't know if the fact that he and Na-Jung know each other that well will hinder any type of relationship they might have.
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ilikemangos
November 30, 2013 at 1:25 PM
It's not a 360(isn't it 180? 360 would end up in same spot)-- everything trash has done in this episode reflects who his character has always been. Silently caring for others, loving to all others. Goofy on the outside, while musing on the inside.
What is 180 about him this episode is his motivation to finally make it WORK with na jung. Finally. That took 12 episodes (better later than never. or for some, better sooner than later).. But he's always sucked whenever it came to love and dating, and we knew this because of all his past relationships that never made it past 3 months.
I like this new development in his character, because maybe trash isn't so trash-like(aside from his messy living habits). He realizes he does like na jung more than a sister, and he's ready to finally take the relationship up another level.
That, to me.. is development. Not a personality transport. (refer to Heir's young do. that's the very definition of a personality transport)
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bibapr57
November 30, 2013 at 3:53 PM
Well since no one is talking about a personality transport her... Or Heirs... I think you might be off..
My personal opinion is that it's too late in the game for this to happen, he should have started SHOWING he cared a little while ago. I'm not saying the character does not have to be true to himself (not that I never said he had to be someone else, he just needed to be more proactive sooner)... The point of the post was not to say that Trash needs to go back or anything it's to exploit the failures of the revelation at this point... Especially when we talk about hoe relationships work and how they move forward.
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nina01
November 30, 2013 at 9:13 PM
Yes, Oppa should have started showing he cared long ago. But that's Oppa. He's not that great at serious relationships with girls. He's had quite a few girlfriends. None long lasting. He doesn't seem to know how to appreciate his GF well, as shown in ep 3, where the kids went on an MT. Oppa's GF had dumped him, with one of the reasons not noticing stuffs about her. I think that's just one of the things he had lacked in his relationship with that girl.
Oppa knows this.
Then, there's Na Jung whom I believed knew she likes him since she had confessed to him on 1st April. He honestly didn't know how to react. He does like her. She's pretty, funny, fun to be with and being totally herself most of the time etc.. but maybe because:
a) all this while she had treated him like an older brother.
b) her family doesn't even see him as a prospect of marriage.
c) none of his relationships had been successful, so it might happen to her and Oppa hence will make his relationship with her family worse of which he dreads.
CB telling him that he likes NJ had stirred that feeling that's been nudging him that he had try to suppress for quite a while as he doesn't want his relationship with NJ and her family that he loves change due to him. Oppa's a thinker. He has thought about the repercussions. CB's confession had him decided. To just 'eff' it and go for it, to try it with NJ.
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Yuki
November 30, 2013 at 6:11 PM
Totally agree. Oppa is adorable as character, but I wouldn't want a boyfriend like him. He ignores NJ too many times, and her feelings, knowing that she is having a hard time...which guy that really likes a girl would be so passive?? When you like a lot a person you don't wait till you finish your internship to go for him/her, even more when you know there are rivals that want to steal that person from you. Maybe it's that the writers are failing here, but I don't see Oppa very interested...so I can't root for him.
Chilbongie won my heart with his sweetness and thoughtfulness to Na Jung, and it seems Oppa is not going to make me change ships.
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26 ghanima
November 30, 2013 at 1:15 PM
I cried so much when I saw the dad with the watch lying lifelessly, and Oppa just recently was so friendly and kind to his family. It was heartbreaking. The same is with the Dad and his friends. I really like that this series focuses on so much more than romantic love. That we see all the different kind of bonds as well.
In a way maybe that is why out of all the characters CB feels out of place, like he belongs to a different genre. All his story is reduced to be about NJ, even baseball doesn't seem like truly important to him anymore (it is more about making him cool, I mean storywise, we don't hear about his ambitions etc...), it is like all his character was reduced to liking NJ.
I will be really disappointed (wether he ends up with her or doesn't) if that is all his characters remains. I want to see him having deep bonding non romantic moments with other characters, kinda like he had with NJ's parents at the beginning. HT had it with SCP, or NJ (though he now have some romantic feelings toward her), Oppa, about his mom etc. SCP also had those moments, so did Yoon Jin etc..., Bg has his doubts about his future and his relationship with his brother...
I find CB extremly cute, and the actor really good (is it only me? He reminds me of Gwang Soo from Running Man), and it is such a shame that his character is all about NJ, no wonder his fans feel like if he doesn't end up with NJ it is over, since he indeed doesn't have another story to tell. He could really use a good bromance storyline (like HT and SCP, or Oppa and BG (though it is obvious that BG loves Oppa)). Though it is obvious he is too good friends with the gang but somehow in scenes he is lacjing bonding moments :(
And I think at the last scene when Oppa didn't bring his car and said we can walk, is kinda a metaphore of their relationship (and definietly of his own slowness), but I really liked this lets just take it slow feeling. I think it compeletly fits with the series and the slice of life genre.
While some people say it might be a sign that they won't last since they already got together, I disagree. While I don't think it means that they will definietly endgame either, but people should renember it is not a melodrama, not a romcom. It's so much more than just a ove triangle or who the husband is.
So lets walk, and enjoy that slow place.
There is a poem (I can't translate it is hard to do so prettily), that is about how people who go on cars only concentrating at the destination, don't notice that small flower, etc at the side of the road, that people who walk do. So lets enjoy the ride, because as long as it is good the destination will be satisfyng no matter what.
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Michelle
November 30, 2013 at 2:01 PM
beautiful comment! :)
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Anvesha
November 30, 2013 at 2:35 PM
I have this feeling that if it was not YYS playing him with so much passion, his character is basically non existent. He is just there so Oppa can realize his feelings and after that, not much screen time. We know he has gotten closer to everyone and Appa loves him. But we haven't seen his moments with boarders or his storyline besides baseball (again, NJ-centric completely). Even his bromance with BG is on the minimum.
He was introduced as an outsider and somewhat kept like that in the drama.. I thought he was going to be besties with country bumpkins. I know he did, but I would've liked to see it.
I feel the writers didn't put much effort in him.. unless of course they kick into gear in the last 8 episodes.
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nina01
November 30, 2013 at 9:17 PM
Brilliant comment ghanima! I agree.. looking at Oppa and how's his relationships in the past, he sees him and NJ as a serious one... hence this time.. he's taking it slow.
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27 sun yue
November 30, 2013 at 1:18 PM
I'm probably the only one, but Chilbongie is hella creepy. Maybe I've taken one too many social justice-type class, but his initial attraction to Na-Jung seems predicated on exoticism and fetishization of her cultural background and if you replaced him with an unattractive (based on beauty norms, etc.) actor his actions would seem more clingy/weird than swoon-worthy.
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ilikemangos
November 30, 2013 at 1:34 PM
Er.
Chilbongie is great.
I think perhaps taken the class has made you a bit suspicious, but it's just a show.. And i don't think the writer intends to portray any underlying fetishization.
Some of what you say is true in a general sense, but i don't think it can be accurately applied to their situation.
If anything, trash is the one that comes off as almost a creep -- and i love trash. I wouldn't want anyone making finger daggers at my eyes or a neck scratch while calling out to me like im a dog (all of things which i personally find goofy and cute. to others, maybe not so much)
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sun yue
November 30, 2013 at 2:31 PM
Trash is a creep. But it doesn't feel creepy to me because of the de facto sibling/childhood friend super tight nature of their relationship.
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Katie
November 30, 2013 at 2:34 PM
Haha, I don't find Oppa creepy at all. Weird, yes, cringey, yes, but that's just his character. If we replaced him with someone else, they wouldn't be able to pull of Jung Woo's take on Oppa lol.
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ilikemangos
November 30, 2013 at 2:53 PM
Yes. Jung woo's take on oppa is what keeps it from veering into creepy territory. He's such an amazing actor who slips into his characters seamlessly and naturally.
I cannot imagine anyone else taking on the role of trash after this.
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adette
November 30, 2013 at 1:42 PM
what part of his attraction to her is based on exoticism and fetishization? i'm genuinely curious. the way i read the situation was that he was hanging out at his cousin's hasukjib and became interested in the owner's pretty daughter. are you thinking of it in a certain way because he thought some of the things she did were cute? exoticism and fetishization are seriously problematic, but thinking that an individual's quirks and habits are cute is not the same thing at alll. i'm really curious to hear your thoughts on this :)
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sun yue
November 30, 2013 at 2:14 PM
I was under the impression that his initial intrigue stemmed from cultural differences rather than character-specific traits, like adding "is that right?" to the end of sentences, that whole exchange on phrasing and such where he made some comment about her being really interesting. It's not a huge thing, but it certainly makes me think twice.
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adette
November 30, 2013 at 3:25 PM
to say that it stems purely from cultural differences would be to say that it isn't na-jung that he likes, but any girl from the countryside. he didn't show any such inclination towards yoon-jin, which suggests that he likes na-jung and verious things about her. further, he has made comments on his like/interest for everyone's mannerisms, such as their practice of calling their friend's parents "mom" and "dad." so idk, to me, he likes na-jung specifically. one who exoticizes/fetishicizes romantic interests would see all girls of a certain background as interchangeable, because that person would be interested in their background before being interested in them as a person. since chilbong hasn't shown inclination for other girls from the country (na-jung being his first love and all), i read the situation as him being interested in her as a person first and foremost. idk, that's just how i read it from the beginning.
this, of course, is my own interpretation. it might irritate some viewers how he pays so much attention to her (i've seen some use words like "suffocating" and "clingy") but that's a completely different problem, which more likely stems from the fact that na-jung seems to be his first major crush (since he's stated that before meeting her, his whole life was all baseball all the time). the first time i had a major crush on a guy i was a mess. like seriously cringe-worthy. i'd get all nervous talking to him and stare at him throughout entire classes (God, I'm legit cringing just writing this haha)... which is kinda similar to how Chilbong is, but I think thats just how first crushes are... (or at least i hope so, so that i can keep telling myself that i'm not just some big freak lol).
i think it's great to use the knowledge you're getting from your class (i think it's really important for more people to be aware of problematic behaviors like exoticism and fetishization and objectification and appropriation etc, especially when they're interested in cultures that aren't their own, or even when they're learning about their own cultures) but be sure to be careful of using terms too liberally. even if a character has a false/idealized image of a specific other person that they're romantically interested in, it isn't automatically exoticism, you know? like, there's a difference between saying "I like girls from Masan" and "I like this girl from Masan." one is problematic because it lumps a large group of people into one category and assumes they're all the same, whereas the other is about one specific person. eeeek i just noticed how much i've written;;; sorry~ i like having these kinds of discussions, and wish i saw them pop up more in these threads. this, to me, is much more interesting than just talking about who ships who (though those discussions can be fun, too, haha)
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sun yue
November 30, 2013 at 4:04 PM
I get there's a big difference between something like yellow fever and being attracted to an Asian person as an individual. He isn't some countryophile, but there's something about the way that he immerses himself in this country family and revels in the foreignness of it that makes me a little uncomfortable. I also don't think Na-Jung is interchangeable right now, but supposing he was a real person and so on and so forth, I don't think it's that much of a leap to think that he'd fall for a different pretty Masan girl (who is not drastically aloof like Yoon-Jin).
First love/big crushes make people do creepy things. Like the photo in the hat thing was simultaneously sweet and uncomfortable. What's really interesting to me about Chilbongie's case is thinking about how reactions would change if he were played by a different actor. What if Samcheonpo was the one pining for Na-Jung, what if it was Yoon-Jin? How would these actions be interpreted differently if at all? This is all tangental but whatever :).
On another tangent, I've graduated, but I'm still a far left ethnic studies student at heart. My first instinct (as sick as that may be) is to break down what I consume.
ghanima
November 30, 2013 at 4:58 PM
I wanted to reply to sun yue 27.2.1.1.1.
The reason why I also have his fetishizing vibe from CB is actually because of the baseball manager girl who has a seemingly similar no b******t attitude to NJ, yet she absolutly doesn't impress him. So the very similar personality traits are not attractive in the city girl, while they are in the country girl? I am not talking about the weird (to CB) countryside behaviour when talking about similarity, because if that is the reason why CB fallen in love with her then yes that is fetishizing.
And the first "falling in love" moments were showing him at laughing about her doing very ordinary things. It wasn't even something special and it kinda bothered me.
Chintu
December 1, 2013 at 8:49 AM
hi sun yue,
u raise some interesting points, but let me try countering them..
from what i've seen from my friends, they first start a crush on someone either for no comprehensible reason, or some oddly specific ones.. great eyes, nice smile, nice hair, charming accent etc.. not that noone else had a great smile or physique just that that particular person somehow catches their fancy..
then, that crush mght fade if you know the object only from a distance.. in case you get to know them, there can be 3 ways in which your crush progresses.. one, you can be completely turned off by their character which destroys the illusion you had of them.. two, you become so comfortable you friendzone them and no longer look at them through the rose-tinted lens..
third is when you start getting feelings for them the more and more you know them, the crush graduating to genuine liking.. real life is not like dramas, where you need something dramatic or romantic to happen to get feelings for someone, the simple act of hanging out, chatting, having fun can help feelings grow..
so in the beginning, when he was amused by her accent and weird behavior, maybe you are right, that time any country girl 'might've' been interchangeable with Najeong (a huge might; like i said, sometimes crushes just happen however similar someone else might be), but right now he likes Najeong The Person, not some country girl..
and in reply to ghanima, two persons having one trait similar doesn't make them interchangeable.. so maybe both of them have a no-bullshit-taking attitude.. but they might have different feelings and ways of expression for other things, and it's not like this is BoF where Junpyo fell in love with Jandi because of her attitude, ths is more of just falling in love with someone because they are special in your eyes..
that sais, i agree with all commentors who say chilbongie needs to interact with others and be developed more.. cuz they are right, he feels like an outsider, least integrated with the group, which is surprising as he has a lot of connections.. he has a cousin who is also part of the group, he is doted upon by the dad, he is in love with the daughter, he is present for all group events (drinking, trips, eating etc) yet he feels so peripheral to the group..
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Katie
November 30, 2013 at 2:05 PM
I understand what you mean (although maybe not as extreme? lol). I never understood why he liked Na Jung. He just seemed to decide that he liked her. I understand the whole "love at first sight" thing but I wanted a little more than that for their story line. He just started following her around, staying at boarding home when he has his own home (even if he doesn't get on with his mom), tries to basically do everything she's doing. I do think at this point he's a little clingy and needs more air time to be developed--if he finds someone else he likes and starts going out with her maybe Na Jung will see what she's missing..because right now his air time revolves around her and baseball.
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sun yue
November 30, 2013 at 2:26 PM
I actually want him to get more fleshed out relationships with the other kids. Yeah, I know that they're all friends and they were all very concerned about the mall accident, but they've really only shown one side of him. He's hopefully devoted to Na-Jung and he plays baseball. You can sum him up in a neat sentence in a way you can't really sum up the others.The others have deep relationships with multiple parts. Heck, Chilbongie's relationship with Binguerre hasn't really gotten much depth or shown much chemistry.
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Anvesha
November 30, 2013 at 2:42 PM
Agreed.. I personally hate the whole "love at first sight" since it implies that you were impressed by the beauty. But that's the main reason I was never on CB ship and has major issues with the drama LTM.. I totally understand that there is no 'reason' behind love. But even then, there should be the moments when it clicks for us that this guy is developing feelings for the girl. I wanted to see that more.
Besides, I feel the cucumber scene to be a good metaphor that CB tries to do the good thing (help NJ with facial) but ends up suffocating her with his attention. That was my take on that scene
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Michelle
November 30, 2013 at 3:47 PM
wow that was really deep with the cucumber analysis haha good one! i just took it as a gunny BAHHHHH moment HAHA
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Katie
November 30, 2013 at 5:03 PM
HAHA. Good point about the cucumber scene.
I have to admit though...LTM was a total guilty pleasure for me. I mean there was TOTALLY chemistry between YEH and KJH haha. But yes, I hate love at first sight. Or if it is love at first sight, you NEED to build some story afterwards and so far it hasn't happened. Plus, I don't want it just to be a story about Na Jung finding her future husband...that's so boring and like every other kdrama. I like how this drama incorporates everything that happens in 1994/1995 and onwards and how all the characters are great. Chilbong needs more screen time with everyone else.
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28 124xoxodr
November 30, 2013 at 1:22 PM
Omg is so obvious that trash is her husband....my heart goes out to CB bcuz he so sincere and he really really loves her and NJ doesnt see that at all is so frustrating..... I hardly saw him in this episode they just need to reveal her husband and stop making CB into a fool and get him a nice girl that will love him for real please
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Barbara Starks
November 30, 2013 at 2:18 PM
OK! I just going to say it, Na-Jung do not own CB anything! CB likes her, okay we get it but he knew Trash was in her heart! Dammit Everyone knows Trash is in her heart it's the story line foundation . Na-Jung is not required nor should have to tell CB something that he already knows. CB does what he does because he want to, Na-jung does not encourage or show great appreciation because she just not into him. The hug on the street show where CB is in her heart, a dear friend she would have reacted the same way for any of the boarder but if that was "Trash" she die the moment she heard the news. Simply put I'm so tired of viewer saying that Na-Jung is treating CB badly for not notice him, when the truth is she treating him with great care of not leading him on at ALL! CB made the choice to continue to love a person he knew love someone else and he continue to hurt himself after being told by Trash that he loves NJ and going to accept NJ feeling.
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29 coffeenlucia
November 30, 2013 at 1:22 PM
this episode had me crying soooo much...
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30 ck1Oz
November 30, 2013 at 1:28 PM
Thank you. Love each and every episode for this drama and that's good enough for me.
This shipping is doing my head in. I loved Oppa at the beginning but it's also so sad seeing NJ loving him for so long. It doesn't count if you love someone if you don't tell them. Poor CB being there in the background.
Plus all the emphasis on miracles and how tragedies can come unexpectedly? This show tugs at my heartstrings so well. I laugh then it makes me smile then tears. How does the writer do it?
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31 jomo143
November 30, 2013 at 1:36 PM
Thank you for the recap.
Everything about this episode was exceptional.
They wove so many things into this episode into a lovely and powerful story, but it was so well balanced, it didn't feel messy.
If they wanted, this could have been a theatrical film about the collapse of the building without being about the collapse of the building.
I got chills at the terrifying moment where the silence on the bus - and then in the audience at the TV show - was broken by the crescendo of beepers. Some of you may remember how 911 hit us, and it was similar. First you heard the news, then you wondered if anyone you knew was in the building, then you panicked knowing it was entirely possible someone you knew could have died in there.
The writers handled the event masterfully without actually showing the collapse, or being on site and doing blockbuster special effects.
I also admire how they put Bingie, Dad and Oppa at the hospital without it feeling like too much of a coincidence.
That watch, OMG, that watch.
Oppa needed his time with the audience showing his true self, since most of us KNEW he liked her, A LOT, but he didn't show it. I am back on CBie's side, though. Oppa is taking way too long for me. He is too practical.
Maybe I because always pull for the underdog is why I usually have SLS. In this case, my heart is with the pitcher. He doesn't seem to have much of a chance right now, but who knows...
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32 adette
November 30, 2013 at 1:38 PM
maaan. when they kept mentioning that department store i kept feeling like i had heard of it before, and i couldnt figure out why. and then when na-jung was stuck in traffic and everyone's beepers started going off it suddenly hit me that my prof talked about it in the modern korean politics class i took awhile back... i don't remember why he brought it up, but he was telling us that some of his friends died there ):
idk if na-jung's reaction to chilbong being alive after the collapse means she is romantically interested in him. i mean, it might mean that she is to some extent, but all of the friends were worried about them. it's a scary thing. if i knew a friend was waiting for me in a certain building, and then i saw on the news that the building had collapsed, i'd be worried as hell, even if i wasn't in love with them. idk idk i feel like i'm about to start pointlessly rambling so i'm going to stop here :p
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ilikemangos
November 30, 2013 at 2:09 PM
I've always loved how they interwove actual historical accounts into the show -- and yes, the collapse in this show is also the same Sampoong Department Store collapse which occured on June 29, 1995. One of the deadliest building collapse in history.
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TP
November 30, 2013 at 9:40 PM
I loved the historical accounts too, but ironically, some netizens were not happy at the portrayal of such a sensitive subject (BTW, I frequent the Soompi forum, so that's where I read it).
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ilikemangos
November 30, 2013 at 9:51 PM
I think it just brings back really bad memories, so that i get..
I'm sure the director did what he could do accurately portray the event to the best of his abilities, so it's probably just revisiting some old scars that they were not pleased with.
I find k-netizens can be sensitive to topics such as these..
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33 MinZ
November 30, 2013 at 1:43 PM
Trash's brothers name: Jae-seok, Jae-hyung
Na Jung's husband: Kim Jae-joon...
Another possible clue to who Na Jung's husband is maybe? ;)
But I still have difficulties to decide who I like more, Chilbongie or Oppa... I still think Chilbongie has a chance to be the husband.
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Peeps
November 30, 2013 at 6:34 PM
If trash turns out not to be the husband and his real name is Kim Jae Joong.... I will whack something!! Man, this writer and her troll-y ways.
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xxvxx
December 1, 2013 at 11:20 PM
OMG LOLOLOL
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34 jozie
November 30, 2013 at 1:44 PM
Regardless of who is endgame (I'm team Garbage), I think we'll have some episodes of Najung dating Oppa and then some episodes of Najung dating Chilibongie. At least if the idea is really to keep us up in the air and confused.
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jozie
November 30, 2013 at 1:51 PM
And there is a growing part of my that hopes Hatai swoops in while Oppa and Chilibongie are trying to win Najung affections and just manages to sweep her off her feet and ends us being husband. There I said it, I know it won't happen - but I can dream.
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ilikemangos
November 30, 2013 at 2:12 PM
I just hope they don't try to stretch out the mystery until the very last episode. (that'd be fail in my opinion). I feel like the audience deserves some time to accept who the husband really is. Just so it doesn't feel like a trick on the writers part once she unveals the husband. Regardless of who na jung ends up dating, i hope that we know atleast atest ep.16 who na jung will end up with.
Otherwise this writer should prepare for some hate mail.
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jozie
November 30, 2013 at 2:14 PM
I agree, although with 21 episodes, I will be good as long as we have a pretty solid idea by episode 18 or thereabouts. Elsewise, since we are all so invested in all of the characters it will feel too much like a GOTCHA moment.
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35 Katie
November 30, 2013 at 1:59 PM
THIS EPISODE. Man, the feels!! I didn't know about the 1995 collapse of the big department store building in Seoul, but I imagine it was similar to 9/11 and the Twin Towers. This episode was just so fantastically shot. Every piece didn't feel cheesy like the writer just stuck it in the episode to get the scene it, it all worked so smoothly.
Na Jung's appa's scenes were amazing and sad. Oppa's scenes in the hospital ER...I KNEW when the mom in the hospital was being discharged SOMETHING would happen to her family, be it losing both her son and husband in the dept store collapse.
I believe Na Jung was worried out of fear for Chilbong not so much as romantic love. Her friend, whom she had planned to meet at a restaurant in the building was supposed to be there when it happened. All of her friends were calling each other. I can't be like oooh she hugged him because she may like him back. She did it because she was worried her friend died. That's not to say that the writer won't make them have a love line at some point in the series, but just not at that moment. I need to be more from Chilbong tbh. I feel like 5 minutes of air time mooning over Na Jung or talking about baseball is not enough character development. I know nothing about him beyond that (and his familial relations to Binggurae).
Also, I heard some rumor that both Oppa and Chilbong had the same name--Kim Jae Joon. I would not be surprised if the writer/director trolled us and they actually have the same darn name. And I'm pretty sure even if we're almost pretty clear on who the husband is by episode 17/18/19 the writer/director won't confirm until 21 lol. That's just their style :p
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36 Perevell
November 30, 2013 at 2:00 PM
*tear in my eye*
Such a touching episode. and such a horrible one. BECAUSE
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37 Perevell
November 30, 2013 at 2:03 PM
*tear in my eye*
Such a touching episode. And such a horrible one too. BECAUSE NOW I'M TORN AGAIN BETWEEN OPPA AND CHILBONGIE AAAAA.
I was actually rooting for both at the beginning, then Chilbongie just showed his awesomeness and I started leaning towards him, what with oppa being poker face and all. And, and now, oppa-ya's awesomeness is returning, whadamaigonnadoooo!
Ack, the writers really know how to pull my emotional strings all over the place, I give them that.
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38 Luzie
November 30, 2013 at 2:09 PM
UGGGGGH TRASH OPPA STOP TOYING WITH MY HEART!
I swear this show is going to be the death of me, I cry and laugh at the same time.
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39 john
November 30, 2013 at 2:12 PM
GF ~
Thanks for the recap. Gah ! The mall collapse ! I looked it up and there was a mall collapse resulting in 500 killed. Reading how it came about was horrifying.
When dramas ,(Giant & Secret), show shoddy building techniques and indifferent owners, you think it's just part of the plot.
If Chil-bong doesn't get Na-jung's hand, should the show give him another love interest or is that too cliche?
Gosh, Min Do-hee ,(Yoon-jin), is so tiny.
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john
November 30, 2013 at 11:54 PM
I meant Scandal, not Secret.
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40 hikaruivy
November 30, 2013 at 2:14 PM
Although it seems like the CB ship is sinking, I still try to keep my spirits up, since I have so far learnt not to trust the writers of the Reply series: In 1997, the girl went on a few dates with the big brother first, before she came to realize who really was in her heart, right?? I kind of expect that here, too (or shall I say, "hope for that" >_<). Especially now that we have seen how much NJ cares for CB... BTW, the department store collapse was very nicely woven into the story (When the series first started, I was expecting the Seongsu brigde case to come up and I was a little disappointed when it did not. So, in terms of remembering and commemorating the victims, it is nice to see that this one was not forgotten...)
As for the Trash oppa's behavior (I don't know if anybody has written this before in the last episode, it was impossible to read through all the comments), I agree with the general opinion that he took so long inexplicably. But in his defense, I feel like the "family factor" had a big role in his indecisiveness: He knows that their families are very close, and he knows that both families will support their relationship if they had one - as long as it is a serious relationship. That is, if Oppa is not sure of his feelings (and Na Jung's feelings for that matter, which can be even more volatile since she is a young girl who has barely reached adulthood), a love story that started fast but did not last long might have a bad effect in the relationship between the two families... So Oppa might have a sensible reason for his sluggishness, just sayin'...
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41 ilikemangos
November 30, 2013 at 2:18 PM
For those that haven't noticed it, a small fun fact:
In each episode that features na jung's room, the stuffed animals she owns (the bear, the dog, and the seal) are each representative of trash, chilbongie, and na jung in that respective order. Each is arranged in a way that serves as foreshadowing or where the characters are in their relationship. In this episode, in the scene where na jung is rocking side to side with happiness, the seal (wearing na jung's purse) is seen holding hands with the bear(trash) moments before na jung goes out on the date with trash.
Meanwhile, the dog is squashed (omg) under na jung's chair in the scene before chilbongie walks in to give her the cucumber mask (perhaps hinting that chilbongie might be victim to the building collapse.)
In other episodes before this, it was mainly the seal looking in the direction of the bear. Or the bear sitting outside with the seal looking out to the bear.
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haebaragi
November 30, 2013 at 2:22 PM
Oh my god! those are the coolest/cutest clues ever. am i going to go back and watch the episodes now? you bet i am :D
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farrrdus
November 30, 2013 at 3:16 PM
oh that's interesting wow you're very observant
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ilikemangos
November 30, 2013 at 3:22 PM
It's mostly DC/Soompi where i'm reading this -- a fan posted several pictures of the stuffed animals in different positions. In the next episode (13) you guys should all look out for the stuffed animals which indicate a very important foreshadowing. ;)
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ilikemangos
November 30, 2013 at 5:39 PM
For this episode..
oppa and na jung:
http://f.ptcdn.info/751/012/000/1385742959-oppaya-o.jpg
chilbongie -- so sad! :(
http://f.ptcdn.info/753/012/000/1385748530-ScreenShot-o.jpg
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Jenn
November 30, 2013 at 5:44 PM
I noticed some clues too... In the beginning of the episode where trash moves out you can see two dog figurines on the tv. Then after trash is gone, only one remains. I took it to mean "only one dog in the fight". I'm enjoying watching for these little hints.
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ilikemangos
November 30, 2013 at 5:51 PM
Yup on the dogs part -- i caught that too.
There's also mention of the pair of angels in their living room that constantly move around.
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Dorina Revamonte
December 1, 2013 at 5:43 AM
shocks, i didnt notice that, thanks for sharing i will watch again from ep 1 to 9 because that all i have/download..
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42 haebaragi
November 30, 2013 at 2:20 PM
i thought Najung hugging Chilbongie was more out of relief that he was alive because her fears were amplified by the fact that she insisted they meet at that particular mall.So if not for her, he probably would not have been in the scene of danger. not some romantic chemistry. but the scene was very well played out and i was watching with fingers crossed.
and i didn't think this was a 360 degree turn for oppa. He's always shown through unsaid words that he has feelings for najung - from lying and saying that she had a boyfriend to his silent reaction when chilbongie kissed her for the first time. And when he told her she's the only one for him after that game in the telephone booth, he was being completely sincere. The writers just didn't give us an insight into his feelings because they wanted to hold out the 'is he gay for binggeurae' suspense for as long as possible. but i never had a doubt as to how he was feeling off the scene so it's really gratifying to see him being able to reveal everything. the final scene was shot so prettily. i had goosebumps. and episode 13 well..... i am speechless.
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43 Lena S.
November 30, 2013 at 2:24 PM
I think my CB ship just sank D:
Overall this was a really good episode now that everyone's feelings are exposed, i still don't like how Oppa isn't confessing to Na Jung immediately, why wait? and his family suggesting (jokingly) marriage between the family was really cute, again, why Oppa would think that it would be complicated with both families? so many questions lol.
I really enjoyed the friendship moment in that mall collapse scene, they really think and worry about each other, ii was hard not to cry.
Thanks for the recap GF.
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44 ilikemangos
November 30, 2013 at 2:30 PM
The adorable song played during na jung & oppa's date that ends this episode:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Plc5V1ANWtE
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mina
November 30, 2013 at 2:40 PM
It was the perfect song for the perfect moment. I'm still not over it. Happy sigh.
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45 Aly
November 30, 2013 at 2:34 PM
So many great moments in this episode!
Man, I went through a rollercoaster of feelings watching this! This drama knows how to pack a punch!
I'm glad that we FREAKING FINALLY see Oppa's real feelings but... STILL SO SLOW!
Also, I'm glad they didn't show us any scenes from 2013. The whole teasing-husband's-identity was getting annoying.
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46 SG
November 30, 2013 at 2:42 PM
I can't say this enough, but Trash just reminds me so much of Uhm Tae Woong. And yeh for finally making a move!
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47 aly
November 30, 2013 at 2:42 PM
nooo you musnt be swayed. chilbongie all the way!!! omg my heart sank at the end because it made me realise just how much i want her to be with him but now i am not so sure after her and oppas moment. i have a feeling she will end up with oppa. and girls, was this the song played in the first part
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48 aly
November 30, 2013 at 3:01 PM
can anyone please tell me the name of the song that comes on when her dad comes to visit his olf mate at the hospital for the first time. oppa is walking him to his room and it's a really sad and slow song. and the one that comes on when shes in the car with oppa. it doesnt sound the same as the one gf posted above
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Tyme
November 30, 2013 at 9:33 PM
"Goodbye My Friend" by Kim Gwang Seok (Yoonjin and SCP go to his concert)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij2u7cCVGj0
I thought the second song was the same version posted?
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aly
December 1, 2013 at 5:19 AM
i'll double check. thanks for getting back to me. i haven't heard of him before so i look him up to find that he's dead and possibly murdered by his wife :( beautiful song though.
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49 H0neybee
November 30, 2013 at 3:02 PM
I think trash is her husband. We know his last name is Kim. His brother's names are Jae Seok and Jae Hyung. Following the pattern, his name has to have Jae in it too.
And In the end, if chil bong went with her to the musical, then I'd believe that she has feelings for him. But I would cry to if I thought one of my good friends were hurt from the building collapse. So, I don't really believe she loves him like trash.
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50 farrrdus
November 30, 2013 at 3:11 PM
Yay Trash finally, now you have to confess to her properly ( don't know why you can't already cause you're already giving off the signs but oh well ) no offense but i hope the chilbongie ship sinks fast. The part where him and his brother were giggling about Trash's crush was hilarious both actors deserve an award btw the actor who plays his hyung seriously looks different without facial hair ( like in gu family book). Can't wait for ep 13
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newgirl
December 1, 2013 at 5:13 PM
Yes! And thank you girlfriday, for pointing out Jo Jae-yoon! Such a great actor. He raises the level of every drama he's in! I would love to see those two actors in a "bromance" dramedy.
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