Master’s Sun: Episode 14
by javabeans
It’s a good thing we have two episodes this week, because last week sure felt like a tease, didn’t it? This is not the first time I’ve wondered how I ever made it through the one-episode-a-week format of American television, but it definitely is the most potent reminder in recent months, if not years.
I do think that Episodes 13 and 14 work better as a pair, and while I actually have little complaint about the content of the recent plot turns, I suspect there would have been a smoother acceptance of the memory loss and separation angst if we’d been able to watch the two episodes back to back. Hopefully by the time they got to writing and filming the next episodes, they’ll have worked out the rhythm to fit the new episode pairings. Which is to say: Nobody’d better die tomorrow! Well, Hanna can die maybe. She’d be okay. I wouldn’t cry.
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Kim Ye-rim – “잘 알지도 못하면서” (You don’t even know) [ Download ]
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EPISODE 14 RECAP
Despite the big Taeyang-shaped hole in his memory, Joong-won shows up on Gong-shil’s rooftop, driven by burning curiosity and the persistent feeling that she’s the important thing he’s forgetting. (Can I say I kinda love this amnesia turn? I hate amnesia when it’s a last-minute Hail Mary tactic, like a plotular band-aid to stanch the bleeding in a dying story—but when it’s built in meaningfully, it pushes all my story buttons. He shouldn’t feel any different after the Great Memory Reset, only everything’s different because she’s not there. Ahhhhh!)
Gong-shil, however, believes that she was too careless with Joong-won’s safety and has been badly shaken by his near-death. So now she does the nobly idiotic thing of downplaying their involvement, telling him to see things exactly as they appear. She recounts the story of their meeting but paints it in the light of how an outsider would see it: They met on a stormy night, and when she realized he was the president she decided she had to hang onto him and chased him around, et cetera. (Can I say I haaaate this turn? Amnesia works for me because it shows the romance working its way back to each other, so there’s this secondary layer of gratification in watching them circle back to love. Pushing people away because you think you should? Is dumb.)
The explanation doesn’t ring true for Joong-won, and he can’t reconcile the idea of their supposed Candy-like romance. She’s being deliberately vague with the allusions, even invoking that earlier pun of how he was seduced by her special yook-gahm (sixth sense/sensuality), which he naturally interprets the other way. She says that following his injury she decided to part ways, and thus she will consider the large sum he deposited into her bank account as her send-off payment.
She gives him a curt goodbye, which he doesn’t accept. He says that money isn’t the whole of it: “In the time I can’t remember, a lot of things changed. I’m confused by it, but I don’t dislike it. Was all that because of you? I feel like I’ve lost something huge. Is that something you have?”
All she has of his is the six-pack of beer he’d put in her fridge, which she returns and points to as “evidence” of their light, fleeting relationship. (As in, they had some fun and now it’s over. Shrug.) He’s puzzled because that’s what she’s saying, but it feels all wrong in his heart.
So Joong-won goes to his uncle to ask for his accounting, and Uncle VP’s version is hilariously skewed because of his limited perspective. Like when he describes Gong-shil breaking Joong-won’s engagement vase, she talks with the swagger of a homewrecker. Joong-won agrees that his behavior was dangerous and alarming, when you put it that way.
Uncle VP reaches for a beer, which Joong-won guards possessively, ha. He shoves the cans back into his fridge telling himself that he must’ve lost his mind to be with Gong-shil, and therefore it’s a good thing he forgot everything.
Still, Joong-won wonders if the stab wound in his back reached all the way through to his heart, because it sure feels like it’s missing something. “I think I gave it to that woman, but she said she had her fun and threw it away. Don’t go back to her looking for it.”
On the rooftop, Kang Woo chats with Gong-shil over a beer, which makes her wistful for all the drinks she can’t have. It would be nice to hold hands with Joong-won and drink safely, she sighs. Kang Woo worries that Gong-shil will now revert to her former terrified ways without her emergency shelter around, hiding herself in her room.
But Gong-shil says that the scariest ghost she’d ever seen in her life was that day at the hospital—Joong-won’s. So she won’t drag him into her world anymore, saying that if she can ensure that, she can endure all the other ghosts. She won’t become a shut-in, either, assuring Kang Woo that she’s thinking of returning to school. She used to be at the head of her class, you know, and could have gone far. Kang Woo encourages her to become an important person, offering to be her bodyguard.
They make a toast, and Coffee Ghost appears to make a futile grab for Gong-shil’s soda. At her mention, Kang Woo shoots an uneasy look at the space next to him and bravely says he’s getting better about the ghost thing (while cringing like a scaredy cat). There’s a curious lingering shot as Coffee Boy smiles at Gong-shil, which makes me wonder where this is going. Could Coffee Boy actually have a dramatic purpose other than PPL?
Now that Joong-won is alive and (sorta) well, it’s time to revisit Gong-shil’s deal with the spirit-matchmaker, who comes to collect. She sends Gong-shil to the cemetery to gather unmarried ghost ladies, to continue her business of arranging spirit marriages. Phew, the arrangement isn’t as terrible as I was fearing—Gong-shil’s being forced to work, yes, but as long as she doesn’t have to give up her body or soul to the woman, I’m relieved. Granted it’s still a scary job, and Gong-shil wanders the grounds clutching her sun necklace in particularly frightening moments.
Gong-shil finds a suitable ghost bride, who is then brought along to a meeting with the dead groom’s parents. The man’s ghost looks pleased at the match and the case is a success.
Yi-ryung entertains the possibility of shooting a movie in the States (with acclaimed director Peter Jason, ha—making his triumphant return after Best Love?). I love that Yi-ryung plainly states that she can’t act, and her manager assures her all she has to do is look pretty.
She tells Kang Woo, fishing for a reaction, and he replies, “But you’re a terrible actor.” LOL. She says that the movie he saw was particularly bad because it was a melo and she hates crying, which actually makes him feel bad to recall seeing her crying because of him. He tells her to study some more and become an international star, adding that she’ll do great.
She says that Gong-shil will end up rejecting him just like he rejected her, and mentions seeing Gong-shil just now meeting with those rich parents. She assumes Gong-shil is on to her next gold-diggy target, but Kang Woo has a more accurate understanding and asks Gong-shil if she’s working with that scary shaman lady again. She tells him not to worry, then heads back out to the graveyard for more scouting.
Joong-won throws himself into his work with gusto now that he’s literate. Secretary Kim is still off in England, so Joong-won fishes out his recorder to refresh himself on the documents—and hears Gong-shil’s voice. It was from the day Secretary Kim had a cold, and she reads the documents in a funny, warm voice peppered with personal asides.
Joong-won’s eyes widen, and he finds himself making his way back to her now-empty office. But still, no memory filling that hole in his heart. It’s so sweet. He KNOWS, only he can’t actually know because of that mystical mind-eraser. Bah! His aunt does, however, come by and note him standing there.
Gong-shil and the matchmaker take a meeting with a man who is about to be married and has been dreaming of his previous fiancée—the ghost sitting next to him. Gong-shil explains that he’d promised to be with her forever, and he scoffs that they’d been empty words, earning him a dirty look from the ghost, ha. Gong-shil offers (well, is pushed by the matchmaker) to persuade the ghost to move on—maybe they can set up the ghost with a ghost partner. Pfft. There’s something so shyster-y about this setup (taking advantage to push their own matching business), but in a good way—it cracks me up.
Aunt Joo walks into the same restaurant with Hanna, and recognizes that Gong-shil is in the company of a ghost wedding planner. She asks the matchmaker whether her interest in Gong-shil has to do with ghosts, and gets a confirmation.
Joong-won arrives to join his aunt for lunch and spots Gong-shil sitting with the client. Assuming they’re on a date, he tells himself to continue on, but at their laughing rapport he ends up sidling up to her and making pointed reference to their very recent breakup. When he puts his hand on her shoulder the ghost fiancée disappears, and Gong-shil shoves his hand aside growling, “I’m working. Don’t touch me.” LOL. I love these kinds of misunderstandings. The client wonders if Joong-won was like him, and Gong-shil replies, “Yes, he was in a situation like yours.” Which sounds to Joong-won like a very bald admission of gold-digger-ish intent.
So when the client asks if Joong-won had much time getting rid of “her,” Joong-won replies that it took a near-death experience and getting stabbed with a screwdriver to get her to leave. So if the guy doesn’t want to die, he’d better get lost, and the client scurries away.
Joining his aunt, Joong-won notices the sun necklace Hanna’s wearing and asks whether they’d met before. Of course she plays it up, saying that she felt very close to him from the outset. Agh, you.
Secretary Kim meets with Hanna’s friend in England and furrows his brow at a recent photo. It’s the Hanna we know but not the one he remembers, and her friend clarifies that Hanna got plastic surgery, saying she hated her own face. Aha! I’d been bumping on the issue that nobody seemed to recognize Hanna, even with the time lapse, because surely her uncle and Joong-won would have had some flash of recognition if she’d aged normally. Plastic surgery is a bit makjang as an answer, but at least it explains things.
Aunt Joo mentions the rumors of a ghost hanging around Joong-won (his “curse”), but assures Hanna that she has found a way to address the issue. Oh no, is that why you’re so smug about Gong-shil?
Sure enough, the matchmaker enters with Gong-shil in tow, and Aunt Joo pointedly introduces her as a seer of the dead, which is why Gong-shil had been hovering around Joong-won. It sounds ridiculous, and it’s meant to—Aunt Joo’s tone is definitely tinged with condescension, all, Isn’t that quaint? What a cute crazy person.
Gong-shil doesn’t shrink, though, and declares that it’s all true—a statement that takes the others by surprise. She then addresses the ghost of Hee-joo directly, who is standing right there, and asks her not to appear before her anymore. If she has something to say to Joong-won, Gong-shil will convey it now, but she doesn’t want to see her again.
Joong-won gets increasingly worked up about it until finally he bolts up and grabs her arm—making the ghost disappear—and drags her off. The matchmaker notes, “Now I understand why he’s special to her.”
Out in the hallway, Gong-shil comes clean(ish) about their history—how he’d hired her and paid her handsomely to deal with ghosts, calling her his 10 billion won radar. However, she decided his injury was the signal to quit, and now she doesn’t want to see him ever again. It’s closer to the truth than the Candy story, but she says everything in such a blasé tone that he remains confused, especially when she snaps, “Don’t touch me. I don’t like it.”
Joong-won heads back to her empty office that night, mulling over these revelations. Gong-shil goes home in tears and reminds herself not to cling or ask him to be her shelter.
Hanna takes out that diamond necklace and wonders whether it’s true that Hee-joo’s hanging around. Speaking aloud, she asks if Hee-joo’s next to her: “If you are, then I’ll apologize. I’m sorry, unni.” Only she says it while smirking, in the tone of “Whoops, too bad.” Gah, you deserve to be haunted.
Kang Woo presents Joong-won with the photos in the Hee-joo case, confirming that he’d suspected Hee-joo’s twin of being the other kidnapper. Joong-won doesn’t remember any of these details but they do make sense, and he supposes that’s where Gong-shil and her radar fit in. Kang Woo asks if Joong-won is fine being without Gong-shil now, and adds that he hopes that she will likewise be able to be without him. The comment leaves Joong-won wondering, “Why does that make me feel so bitter?” Heh. Nice to see some metaphors transcend amnesia.
The screwdriver stabber is still at large, and he shows up at Kingdom’s offices looking for Gong-shil. Kang Woo clocks his suspicious presence and follows him to Gong-shil’s office, and the stabber immediately panics and starts fighting. He’s no match for Kang Woo’s combat skills and gets taken down readily, though he then resorts to begging to meet with Gong-shil. This time it’s not murderous intent driving him but a fixation on her comment that he has a boy’s ghost hovering around him, which has been driving him crazy.
Joong-won storms in to confront the man, though he has no recollection of him personally. The man blubbers that he didn’t stab him intentionally, that Joong-won got stabbed because he rushed in to protect that woman.
Joong-won’s mind races to put the pieces together—he was told he went to the garage to meet Gong-shil, and he got hurt saving her… so that means he was willing to die for her?
Kang Woo confirms it, to his shock.
This makes even less sense (how could he love so deeply and not remember) and he asks himself, “How crazy was I over her?” He wonders, “Can I really be without her?” Then, “Bitter! So bitter.”
Gong-shil’s new job is taking its toll, since she’s back to working nights and lacking sleep. Plus, she complains to the matchmaker that when ghosts get matched up with the wrong partner, they come to her at night to complain. Aw.
Gong-shil asks why she can see ghosts in the first place, and the matchmaker replies that if she was asleep for three years, that means her soul was wandering for that time. Thus it makes sense that she carried over the ability to see ghosts.
Security guard Han-joo is poking his nose around to get at the details of Gong-shil’s accident, and her unni explains that she had been lost in the woods for ten days. Curiously, her physical condition was fine for the next three years, but she remained unconscious.
At the next table in the cafe, a man sets down an extra coffee cup (why hello there, Lee Chun-hee) for the ghost sitting in front of him. Huh! So we’ve got another ghost-seer, and somehow he knows all about Coffee Boy’s relationship to Gong-shil.
Chun-hee (Imma just call him Chun-hee) muses, “But she shouldn’t just be left to her own devices. Keep watch over her.” Coffee Boy agrees, and Chun-hee wonders if it’s time to meet her: “Do you think she’d recognize me?” Gah, why does Lee Chun-hee do such a good job toeing that line between sympathetic and creepy? You just don’t know what he’s up to, ever.
When Gong-shil comes home that night, Kang Woo notices her increasingly tired appearance with concern. She’s happy to have heard about the criminal’s arrest, while he encourages her to call his name the next time she’s scared. The statement refers to the fact that he knows she’s been scouring the graveyards, having followed her out one night. He’s ready to provide a comforting shoulder to lean on, but keeps his distance while wishing she’d call his name in her moments of need. Which is why you are a second lead, m’dear.
That night, Aunt invites Hanna over to keep shoving her at Joong-won, while he sits in a sulk by himself. His uncle joins him to share additional information about Gong-shil (despite Aunt warning to keep silent), such as how she came to the hospital every day while he was asleep and cried a lot. None of it rings a bell, but the sight of that sun necklace niggles at his mind.
Gong-shil is called to the office by Secretary Kim, only to find that Joong-won had faked the text to bring her here. Haha. He’s so proud of the fact that he can read (and text) now, and orders her to sit while he works through everything.
He lays out what he knows, curious most of all to know what he was thinking in his last moments. She was at the hospital while he was in surgery, and he died on the table, and she sees ghosts, ergo: “You saw me, didn’t you?”
He figures that if he almost died because of her, he would have sought her out as a ghost. She says he did. He guesses that his final moments were honest and frank, and that whatever he said scared her off. Again she agrees. He asks if he’d blamed her for sending him into death, or begged her to go with him. She shakes her head no.
But if he went that far for her, if he was that crazy about her, then shouldn’t he be able to remember when looking at her? Something, anything?
She tells him not to worry, because his memories won’t come back; they’ve been “safely sealed away.” He prods, “Are you really okay without them?” She nods yes.
Miffed, he huffs that he won’t go looking for her anymore then. She says that’s what she wants, and heads out to leave. But as she goes toward the door, he mutters, “If it’s not true that you can be without those memories, look back. If you do, I’ll go after you one more time.”
Gong-shil keeps walking, and Joong-won curses, “Dammit.” Then he grimaces at the fresh taste of bitterness.
On the other side of the door, Gong-shil reaches for her necklace and tells herself it’s over now.
Kang Woo coordinates security for an upcoming art exhibition, which is directed by Hanna. Flipping through a pamphlet, he finds a clue—a handwritten note signed with her name. Comparing that with the Hee-joo postcards, he realizes the writing is the same.
Kang Woo rushes to inform Secretary Kim (of Hanna being Hee-joo’s twin) on his return, only to find out that Secretary Kim has arrived at the same conclusion. Secretary Kim admits that he is the girls’ uncle, and that is why he has stayed with Joong-won all these years.
Gong-shil and the matchmaker attend the wedding of their client, where Gong-shil persuades the dead fiancée to move on. And there she spies Joong-won arriving with Hanna for an official function at the hotel. They freeze.
He stares at her in his intense way, while Gong-shil shrinks back. Finally he continues onward… and Gong-shil comes face to face with Hee-joo’s ghost. She’s back with another plea to use her body, which Gong-shil isn’t exactly thrilled about.
Joong-won is joined by his uncle, who brings up Gong-shil’s name. Joong-won sniffs, “I don’t care,” only to add, “Continue.” Lol. So Uncle fills him in on the “strange lifetime contract” Gong-shil has entered into with that matchmaker, which is odd enough that he seeks out the matchmaker to demand to know the terms of their deal. Can it be bought out with money?
She guesses that he wants to find his memory. He asks if it can be found, and she replies that it can—all he needs to do is think of what he’s lost the moment he wakes up. She makes a gesture with her hand that makes me think the necklace must be involved somehow (particularly since she noted earlier that Gong-shil hadn’t given it back to him).
But he’s still smarting from Gong-shil’s refusal and insists he doesn’t want to know, arguing that they’ve already decided that they could live without “it” (his memory, their relationship). Still, he orders her to name the price for Gong-shil’s contract. The matchmaker replies, “That woman gave all of herself. Calculate what that is worth and then try negotiating.”
He reels. Aunt Joo asks if he’s unwell, and he answers that he’s in great pain. Seeing the necklace around Hanna’s neck, he muses, “From the start, it drew my glance. I kept seeing it, but did I want to pretend I didn’t know?”
He looks at his empty hand, triggering a flash of that moment at death’s door, when the necklace had disappeared from his grasp. Deciding he has to find what he’s lost, he heads out.
Hanna asks whether she’s not the thing he’s talking about. He declares, “It looks the same, but that’s not the real one.”
Outside, Gong-shil tries to reason with Hee-joo’s ghost, insisting she and Joong-won are over and therefore the ghost should stop seeking her out. She tries to fling her necklace into the river, but can’t do it the first time. She winds up a second time… and a hand grabs hers. Hee-joo wisps into thin air, and Joong-won whirls her around.
“Did you really think you didn’t need your emergency shelter?” he demands. Omo omo! She gapes, asking if he remembers now, and he says, “I really didn’t want to, but I did.”
They fling lies back and forth about how she was fine without his memory returning, and how they would have been perfectly happy living in their separate worlds, which might be more convincing if they weren’t both on the verge of tears.
He declares that she’s lying: “Tae Gong-shil, you absolutely shouldn’t be okay living without me. Without me, you’re supposed to feel like you’re dying.”
COMMENTS
Eeeeee, his memory is back! I think. We haven’t been given the details of what happened so I’m still fuzzy on the details, but I’m totally cool waiting to find out the mechanics of the amnesia-break. The important thing is that they’re through the bullshit protection cover and back to talking about how they really feel, rather than how they want the other person to think they feel.
All that is well and good, and I think the writing supports the behavior pretty solidly. Joong-won made the ultimate sacrifice by putting his life on the line for her, while Gong-shil reciprocated with an even more ultimate-r sacrifice—not just her body for his life, but the very memory of her importance in his life. She all buts erases herself in exchange for his life, and the show has done a good job of painting the circumstances to support the action. He would have lost his life had she dragged her feet, and she had to agree to the matchmaker’s terms to get his soul to return to his body, and once the memory is gone, well, what’s the point in reliving history if there’s a big chance it would play out in a similar way? I get that on an intellectual level. What this drama does is take that trite, overused case of rom-com idiocy (usually when a meddling parent or outside force convinces one side to leave for the other’s own good) and build its mythology to force it, so you really can’t fault Gong-shil for sacrificing herself. It’s just really frustrating to hear her spouting lies about how she totally doesn’t love him, when he’s doing his best to reconcile head to heart.
I do think Joong-won’s reaction is sort of sweet in its bullheadedness because they’ve reverted right back to their old pattern—he’s trying to get her to admit she needs him, and she’s protecting them both by denying it, so then he huffily clings to the lie with hurt feelings. I love that he tells himself over and over that he’s totally NOT gonna care anymore, and then seconds later he’s telling himself, “Just one more chance.” He doesn’t even know he loves her but his reaction is still the same, and that’s amnesia in its best form. I do really enjoy it used in this kind of capacity.
And while her reaction is the more frustrating one (although again, I understand the reasoning behind it), what the lost memory scenario does is allow her to feel the full brunt of having and losing his love. Before the death, I’d felt that Joong-won’s love was the stronger one, that hers was genuine but understated and hidden to protect herself while his was out there and open and vulnerable. And in taking that away from her, at least we got to see that she really does love him, because it takes a helluva lot of love to make the choice she does, and to withhold herself thinking he honestly is better off having never known her. Aw. Tears.
As for the new plot threads, hm… Hanna is a character I’m still trying to figure out, because I don’t understand what the hell her deal is with her Joong-won OR even her sister. It’s one thing to be the one person left behind in a disaster, but she seems pretty unrepentant about it, and maybe even smug. How come Hee-joo looks so tortured all the time, and Hanna seems like she thrives on all things evil? I hope there’s an explanation for her behavior, because right now all I can think is that this is more support for the theory that one twin is always evil.
Chun-hee and the coffee boy… well, we’ll have to wait on that one. I suppose I much prefer having new complications introduced, in light of the episode extension, rather than merely dragging out the events to fill the extra space. We’ll have to wait to see where this is going, but it does have me intrigued.
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1 kirst3n
September 25, 2013 at 8:12 PM
Thank you, thank you! Eternally grateful that they didn't let the amnesia trope go on too long. I swear, this drama is going to be the death of me. Been a long time since a drama has affected me this way. How the heck did I miss SJS before this? I am beyond addicted. I'll be a sad day once this ends. Boo :(
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Nam Joo-hyuk is Tall
September 25, 2013 at 8:32 PM
Seriously. It seems to defy the law of thermodynamics that he gets hotter and hotter each episode. Boy's about to become his own sun!
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julie
September 25, 2013 at 9:38 PM
Agree! I can't reconcile how he is in this drama to his prior super serious roles.
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BijLaxSth
September 26, 2013 at 8:07 AM
I have the same notion, I was used watching him in serious roles and here he is super funny greedy businessman, it makes this show more watchable.
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opheliadrowning
September 25, 2013 at 10:05 PM
I so agree. He is so scrumptious, even with that sort of ridiculous hair. His acting--the subtle twitches in expression, the way his moderates his smile--that totally won me over, but his goofiness and the real goofiness of him in the BTS stuff has he wanting to lick the screen while also wanting to hang out with him at the same time. God, I hope he does more rom-coms after this one, preferably all of them with Gong Hyo Jin! Their rapport is amazing!
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bigmamat
September 26, 2013 at 6:24 PM
Sort of ridiculous hair! Let's just agree totally ridiculous hair. It's one of my pet peeves about Korean dramas, horrible haircuts on hot guys.
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nomad
September 26, 2013 at 9:13 AM
I love that the law of thermo is even dragged into Kdrama. This just further proves how awesome beanies are.
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redfox
September 26, 2013 at 11:24 AM
I would say he himself is feeling cold actually, more sweaters this time. Lack of Sun.
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jicachan
September 26, 2013 at 12:42 PM
LOL. I sooo agree. I've watched his previous dramas before, but has he always been this hot? XDD~
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
September 26, 2013 at 3:28 PM
He achieved the impossible and got my kdrama-avoiding college bff into Master's Sun. (and she never watched any dramas before no matter how cute I told her the guys were - imagine my shock when she pinged saying she was watching Master's Sun and 'he's cute!')
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dukseonnoona
September 26, 2013 at 9:46 PM
couldn't agree more. I do have a question though - why did JW presume that GS's contract with that freaky lady has something to do with him?
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queencircles
September 25, 2013 at 9:19 PM
I know! I think he's been too dramatic before this. I've never seen him in anything else he's done, but by god he is so friggen cute in this show. Helps that I love his character too.
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bored2tears
September 26, 2013 at 6:30 PM
So you need to see Rough Cut because he's hot and it also has Kang Ji-Hwan. His most mentioned drama is I'm Sorry I Love You but he has a lot of TV dramas. I am so pleased that he is pulling off this role. It doesn't hurt that it seems to be written for his acting style.
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Wren
September 25, 2013 at 10:50 PM
i watched SJS in ghost before and I thought he was awesome. badass n all. that's why I started this one. and boy...phew! have mercy Lord!! he's so different in TMS. hotter. amazeballs! :)
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mupji
September 25, 2013 at 11:24 PM
i watched him in ghost before too. and was wondering why his face was forever etched in sadness, eyebrows forever sloping. this drama, though, brings out both happy and sad sides, and his cute side. omg. his cute side. i love cute sojisub ahjusshi oppa so much.
even after going back to watch his younger (2004) days in "i'm sorry, i love you" and "what happened in bali" i have to say, he's so much more lovable as joo joong won than young and hot (and sad) dudes. charismatic cute ahjusshi, fighting! <3
oh yes, and thanks gong hyojin for bringing out the best in her co-actors. she's so awesome as gongshil who threw everything away when the ghosts took over her world. if u and sojisub feel anything for each other, throw everything away and go for it! ur TMS fans will support u two. LOL
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Haru
September 26, 2013 at 2:45 AM
YES YES YES!!!
I would love it so much if the off-screen chemistry developed into a real relationship ❤_❤ Best IRLship EVER!!!
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jxng
September 27, 2013 at 12:44 AM
No one mentioned Glass Shoes!? SJS is amazing in there and it has got me hitched onto the rest of his dramas, he's amazing and I love Ghost too!
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Soyb
September 26, 2013 at 5:42 AM
Funny... the first SJS drama was Ghost for me, too and I thought he was so bland and serious, I wasn't very impressed with him. I was hesitant how he would do in a rom-com when he seemed so dry, but I love him so much in MS. I wish he'll do another rom-com in the future.
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snow_white
September 26, 2013 at 10:54 AM
I love So Ji Sub :)
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2 TG
September 25, 2013 at 8:13 PM
I'm going to be really sad when this ends.
For those of you who were wondering about that catchy "all about" song ... it's by Melody Day.
http://www.soompi.com/2013/09/10/melody-day-releases-gong-hyo-jins-theme-song-all-about-for-masters-sun-ost/
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Kibble
September 25, 2013 at 10:15 PM
great drama. i'm sad it's about to end. i really loved staccato beat out this episode. i'm glad they didn't draw out the whole han na nonsense. glad the her creepy necklace wearing was a trigger for something better.
i know lots may think it's one of those neat wrap ups but for me i enjoyed the unfolding events and how dut dut dut they happened. i was clutching my chest for mostly the last 35mins and gripping my non to pleased father's arm in a death grip. good episode.
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Susa
September 26, 2013 at 9:37 AM
I think the twins are switched. Hanna was always the nice one and Hee-Joo was shown to be more unfeeling. I think Hanna was the one killed in the car and Hee-Joo is living. Maybe ghost Hanna is feeling sorry/guilty about her sister having such a hard life and wants to protect her. That's why she's not ratting her out...
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Kae
September 26, 2013 at 12:45 PM
Yes. That's more or less what I think too.
When supposedly Hee-Joo ghost possessed Gong-Shil told Joong-Won that she never tricked him and that she did love him, it occured to me that she wasn't in on the kidnapping at all. But earlier on we saw that scene in the warehouse(?) where young Joong-Won was tied to a chair while Hee-Joo taunts him, telling him that she was not a victim but an accomplice. So at first I thought that she was forced to say that by the real kidnapper, but later on I see it in a different light.
The flashback that Secretary Kim had of Hanna was the clincher for me. That and the flashback of "Hee-Joo" dying revealing the real kidnapper to be her twin who was smiling as she saw her die. I think it was really Hanna who loved Joong-Won and died that day. The real Hee-Joo must have been the real kidnapper who was bitter about having a tough life while her twin was living a charmed life. So she survived went to Britain taking Hanna's place (hence what "Hanna" said to her uncle after "Hee-Joo" died).
What do you think? Does that not make sense? And remember how her friend said she had a plastic surgery because she hated her face? I'm guessing that is because seeing her face reminded her of the real Hanna who she hated because of their very different childhood.
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crazy4kdramas9ja
September 26, 2013 at 3:19 PM
I am in complete agreement with this analysis.
Carmensitta
September 26, 2013 at 3:19 PM
That makes quite a lot of sense. Secretary Kim always said that Hanna wouldn't do that, he couldn't believe such a thing. But Hee Joo, he never met her while she was alive.
And the current Hanna seemed quite startled being called Hee Joo. That would have been valid even if she was Hanna since forever, with her having a twin and all, but still, it's always been quite peculiar.
Lemontictac
September 26, 2013 at 3:38 PM
I THOUGHT OF THE EXACT SAME THING 0_0
*highfive*
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Jojo
September 27, 2013 at 5:27 AM
Understand where you are coming from, but doesn't anyone remember when the "ex-girlfriend" was in Gong-shil's body and she tell's our beloved master that she loves him?
I am willing to accept you're coming from with your theory, but everything taken in account, but there is a saying that goes like this; "beware of the quite ones."
3 Gidget
September 25, 2013 at 8:13 PM
Am I paranoid, or did they resolve this conflict a little too quickly? Just hoping there isn't some last minute tragedy planned....
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kit
September 25, 2013 at 8:46 PM
Well they've got to figure out the necklace storyline, which will mean Gongshil has to be possessed, the ghost has to enter her, Mr Secretary needs to cry, Hanna pays her debts, a reconciliation with his father etc. (Maybe figure out why Kangwoo has a such a close relationship with him as well?) And then Gongshil's accident with coffee boy and Chunhee. Side plots of her sister finding out who the cheap mouth is, and getting together with him anyway. Our dolphin goddess getting together with the dinosaur. Uncle has to do another fist pump. Cute epilogue of them all eating samgyupsal on the balcony. She goes back to school. That'll be enough for three eps, I guess.
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obivia
September 25, 2013 at 9:23 PM
That was awesome. Can you promise to do that for future dramas, please??
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yumii
September 25, 2013 at 9:34 PM
I second the awesome.
And if they don't wrap up all the issues you cited, please provide an epilogue that does.
[No forgiveness for the surviving twin please, except to let Secretary Kim off whatever hook he will impale himself on.]
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Rainbow
September 25, 2013 at 9:41 PM
If dramabeans had a like button, this comment right here shall get all the likes!!! (Kit reply)
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queencircles
September 25, 2013 at 9:54 PM
Ditto! LIKE :)
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Enz
September 26, 2013 at 9:14 AM
Like like :)
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Heidi Lyon
September 25, 2013 at 10:33 PM
LOL that is exactly what I was thinking in my head!! I love it and yes, please do more final episodes summaries in the future :)
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drmjs
September 26, 2013 at 12:30 AM
Yeah, awesome. Samgyupsal? Now I'm hungry.
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bjharm
September 26, 2013 at 1:26 AM
Anyone else think that the dead twin is the sister that returned to Korea to find her twin and they switched, ie she may not be the twin that Mr K found but the one he didnt and she had a hate on all this time and took advantage of her twin to get some kind of revenge on the world for making her have a hard childhood, it would explain her personality change when she returned from korea and had her break up with Mr K
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meshagi
September 26, 2013 at 2:52 AM
That's totally what i was thinking. The teen hee joo looks a bit more evilish than the twin. More likely hanna sacrificed herself due to being guilty at how lavish her childhood was as opposed to hee joo's.
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super
September 26, 2013 at 4:19 AM
glad someone else is having the same thoughts on the twin storyline....
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Plot Twist
September 26, 2013 at 4:28 AM
I honestly thought this was what everyone was thinking lol, that the dead twin is the "good" one and evil-manipulator-moustache-twirling Hee Joo has been alive all along.
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verte
September 26, 2013 at 6:24 AM
Yup! Pretty sure Hee Joo is the bad lady because I think it came out in a previous episode that Hee Joo was the younger one, and here that evil lady calls her 'unni'
Evil lady >:( She was so so so scary in Sign as well :(
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Len
September 26, 2013 at 6:37 AM
I definitely agree! I thought it was a fairly obvious conclusion that they switched- Hanna was the happy, bright child Secretary Kim described, and she comes back being all “HOW COULD YOU FORGET CHA HEE JOO. REMEMBER THAT NAME.” I have no idea what happened with Joong Won but somehow Cha Hee Joo, the one who had such a crappy life, took Hanna’s identity (likely after orchestrating her death) so she could live the rich life (and have the funds to pursue Joong won… still no idea what her beef is. OR why she hasn’t sold the necklace yet and clung onto it for so long?! Like what is the point..? To use against him some how? WHY?!)
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bjharm
September 26, 2013 at 6:04 PM
it the statue of limitation or whatever they have in korea is due to end, that why the father send in his spy to look out for his son that why the live twin has returned to korea. The necklace is so famous she could never sell it while it was 'stolen'. That said she never seemed to need the necklace just for it $ as she certainly had enough to travel in comfort around the world and if money was all she wanted she could have taken the gem and recut them and sold them that way, so they still something to be shown as to the 'whys'
bottledjeaney
September 26, 2013 at 6:45 AM
Haha!! You seemed to have read almost all of our minds..though i have to add that they also have to explain why joongwon is the only one that can make the ghosts dissappear
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jademwong
September 26, 2013 at 2:35 PM
Fantastic wrap up! Thanks Kit ;D
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Trixie
September 25, 2013 at 10:26 PM
I agree, it's lurking isn't it? I don't think he has the memory one might think he has regained, a lot of fog and foreshadowing going on. I don't think we have the whole Gong-shil yet either. I think she can't give him her all because she doesn't possess it all yet and she senses that. All of her behaviors are tempered by her oddness. She too has a time she can't recall. I so hope we get a happy ending so I can put this on my "do it again" list. This may be the one that ends my kdrama days if it has a lousy ending.
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4 raindrops1
September 25, 2013 at 8:15 PM
Thank you for the recap, I been checking DB's non stop. I loved this episode. I'm happy that we will get 2 episodes this week. I can't wait for tomorrow.
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raindrops1
September 25, 2013 at 8:17 PM
Yes, if anyone has to die...I say we volunteer Hanna.
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Crazynoona
September 25, 2013 at 10:21 PM
I second that notion.
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drmjs
September 26, 2013 at 12:34 AM
Third! Go away Han Na or Hee Joo. Just go!
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PlumWine
September 26, 2013 at 5:40 AM
Gojo! *waves hand in front of face*
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Koi94
September 26, 2013 at 6:57 AM
Hanna! Hanna! Hanna!
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5 yumii
September 25, 2013 at 8:15 PM
Thanks for the recap Javabeans.
“It is the same but it’s not the genuine one.” Best line of the episode because it works for the present situation and the past as well.
I imagine that there will be a torrent of accusation of “noble idiocy” on Tae-Yang part, but if this is noble idiocy, please may I have another helping.
From my perspective this is the best use of a separation of OTP in a drama I can remember. It fostered character growth (Tae-Yang’s) and strengthened the relationships by making clear to Joong-Won how essential Tae-Yang is to his sense of wholeness.
“You asked me to be a girl that leaves easily.”
Tae-Yang is an amazing person who I would love to meet in real life sans the ghosts.
This episode was an exploration of her integrity.
She and Joong-Won agreed about the nature of their relationship and although it is difficult, she has upheld her part of the contract. Yes some might say, but Joong-Won now knows differently, and would make a different decision. But in truth, Joong-Won is not competent to make a new decision because he is impaired by his lack of memory.
I really appreciated that Tae-Yang never once lied to Joong-Won about their relationship. She simply laid out the facts [literal truth] and allowed him to do the calculation, because often what is truly important will not be captured in our rational calculation.
“Don’t worry about me. I won’t live being stuck anymore. I’m thinking about going back to school starting next year. I think I’m at the point where I can ask the ghost sitting next to me what the answers to the test are.”
The separation was brilliant because it forced Tae-Yang to become stronger.
To protect Joong-Won she had to live ‘comfortably’ as they like to say in k-drama without his protection or else he would easily see through her ruse. Therefore she could not return to her former life of hiding from the world. She needed to function in the world with a level of normalcy that would squelch Joong-Won’s suspicion that she needed him to be okay.
“During the period that I can’t remember, so many things changed. I’m bewildered, but I don’t mind it. Was that perhaps because of you? I feel like I lost something really big. Is that something you have?”
The separation was brilliant because it confirmed for Joong-Won’s the centrality of his relationship with Tae-Yang to his sense of completeness.
I love SJS acting choice to make the loss of memory manifest as physical pain. Every time he is made aware that something is missing, he responds as if hit by a twinge of pain. I love that Joong-Won doesn’t really know what is missing, yet whatever is missing is causing great pain and it is making it impossible for him to be at peace much less be happy when everything else seems to be in place. I love the fact that he is not even for a second distracted or fooled by the NotDeadTwin.
Ultimately this episode and the separation might not have driven the story forward, but it truly deepened my appreciation for the characters.
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Redge
September 25, 2013 at 8:32 PM
I'm not competent enough to do a review of this episode so I'm just gonna piggy-back on yours and say my thoughts exactly! Haha.
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yumii
September 25, 2013 at 8:44 PM
Why? Are you drowning in your tears. Keep head and one hand above water and type!
:)
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meanrice
September 25, 2013 at 8:43 PM
Your point about this version of noble idiocy, is my point as well. It was not forced and angsty (in the wrong ways). It was a true and genuine belief that she has to let him be to, well let him be.
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S
September 25, 2013 at 8:53 PM
^5 on everything you've said.
I love that Taeyang has been forced to become stronger. You can see how tenacious she actually is without his "protection" so to speak, and their scenes together just zings off the screen.
It's awesome.
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elfin
September 25, 2013 at 9:25 PM
When he said "it's the same but it's not the genuine one", Hee joo's hurt expression has to do with her realizing that, history repeats itself. Hana was his first love and now it's Taeyang. She's never in the equation, ever. (I'm assuming that Hee joo is the evil twin)
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2HooKD
September 25, 2013 at 10:33 PM
My feeling exactly! I loved that scene it was like it finally clicked for him! I assumed that the twins switched places and that is was Hanna that Joong Won actually loved. I too believe the living evil wench is Hee Joo, The deciding moment for me was the two times Secretary Kim met with "Hanna" -the personalities were so different - the second meeting (strictly my opinion) was with Hee Joo.
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Anna Cayad-an
September 25, 2013 at 11:17 PM
I know! Also in the last episode she said her "dongsaeng" (if I heard correctly anyway) died and this episode she said "unni".
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Len
September 26, 2013 at 6:31 AM
I definitely agree! I thought it was a fairly obvious conclusion that they switched- Hanna was the happy, bright child Secretary Kim described, and she comes back being all "HOW COULD YOU FORGET CHA HEE JOO. REMEMBER THAT NAME." I have no idea what happened with Joong Won but somehow Cha Hee Joo, the one who had such a crappy life, took Hanna's identity (likely after orchestrating her death) so she could live the rich life (and have the funds to pursue Joong won... still no idea what her beef is. OR why she hasn't sold the necklace yet and clung onto it for so long?! Like what is the point..? To use against him some how? WHY?!)
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Len
September 26, 2013 at 6:38 AM
sorry for commenting this twice, I meant to reply to a previous comment!
bbeth
September 26, 2013 at 9:09 AM
I picked up on that line too "it's the same, but it's not the real one"
because Hanna's face reacted significantly to that - she was surprised-pissed more than angry-pouty. Maybe his younger teen self....somehow knew then too?
AND I just realized, all the mentions of "bitter, so bitter" ties back into what he said earlier to TGS about how he doesn't like sweet things and she said she'd prepare something very bitter for him, as his preference. AHHH Hong Sisters, why so many layers !?!?! (love it!!!!)
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September 26, 2013 at 4:17 PM
@Yumi - I agree with everything you said - from a character pov, the separation really does work. And it works even better because the usual expectations are subverted almost every inch of the way - she's heartbroken but surviving, he's gone back to his old self on the surface but is fundamentally changed, and he still finds his way back to her anyway.
And the only thing I'd wish for is more contact between Joong-won and Gong-shil. Skinship contact, that is.
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6 Florence
September 25, 2013 at 8:18 PM
Wow! You sure are fast:-O thank you so much dramabeans:-*
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7 snow_white
September 25, 2013 at 8:18 PM
With only one ep last week, it feels like I haven't seen Master's Sun from so manydays.....
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8 snow_white
September 25, 2013 at 8:20 PM
With only one ep last week, it feels like I haven't seen Master's Sun from so many days.....
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maskbunny
September 25, 2013 at 11:20 PM
2 eps next week. the producers extended 1 more episode.
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maskbunny
September 25, 2013 at 11:21 PM
ahhh...i read wrongly. my apologies :)
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
September 26, 2013 at 4:18 PM
is the extended episide a scripted episode, or s special/bts? I need to know!
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9 dreaming....
September 25, 2013 at 8:24 PM
I really love the theme for the past few episodes: the calculation of a person. Joong Won has always see things as monetary value, even calculating Gong Sil's worth as a six-sense radar. He doesn't realize that there is no such calculation for a human being, simply because we are priceless. And it's not just the calculation for an individual but also his feelings. His love for her is priceless. His memories are priceless.
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Pepper Fish
September 25, 2013 at 8:45 PM
Maybe he'll get the necklace back (by taking Hanna down, I hope) and hand it over to the psychic as payment of Gong Sil's worth. It's the original estimate, as you noted.
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Eva Lee
September 25, 2013 at 9:17 PM
Love that idea!
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yumii
September 25, 2013 at 8:48 PM
Do you think he paid Madame Go's price for his memory, or to release Tae-Yang from her contract.
We all thought that at some point in the drama he was going to have to chose Tae-Yang over a huge sum or money.
I wonder if that has happened yet?
We know he is willing to give up his life, but his money??? :D
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queencircles
September 25, 2013 at 9:27 PM
I really thought his memories were spell-cast inside the necklace - something about how creepy lady said that she hadn't given the necklace/the memories back. So, I was confused that he got them back before he stopped her from throwing it away (I was literally shouting at the screen "Nooo!! His memories!! Don't do it!"). I thought when he grabbed her and took the necklace, he was going to get them back.
Now I'm really wondering how he broke the curse/spell thingy.
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Lynn
September 26, 2013 at 1:06 AM
I'm guessing matchmaker was being literal when she talked to him: he didn't need the necklace, he needed to remember that the necklace was the bright thing he lost upon waking.
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dramabliss
September 26, 2013 at 8:51 AM
I have started to wonder if there might be a connection between the two necklaces (the ransom necklace and the sun necklace), not as points in the narrative, but perhaps metaphorically, or thematically?
Moonbean
September 25, 2013 at 11:32 PM
I think no he hasn't paid yet, but only because Madame Go wouldn't name a price. To me him just asking the worth of the contract is equal to paying. Why else would he have asked? At this point so many other things are nagging him and tugging at him that he doesn't even think of money anymore. He has such a big enough hole in his life to make him realize money isn't all important. Notice how reconciled he is to the changes in himself during the time he doesn't remember. First time he heard of all the uncharacteristic things he did from Secretary Kim he had thought it must be some weird medicine his aunt is feeding him, now he finds the changes confusing but not necessarily bad, which means he doesn't mind spending his money on a Child Abuse Protection Center instead of an extension to his mall.
Talking about Madame Go: pleasing to see that she wasn't as scary as she appeared at first. Not only what she asked from Gong Shil wasn't that horrible but she seemed to genuinely want Joong Won to recover his memories. She had told Gong Shil the only way to bring him back was to sacrifice his memories of her. She made her and us believe there was no way back from this, whereas I think from the beginning she planned the necklace to be the trigger to his memories. When she saw the necklace on Gong Shil she asked her if she didn't give it back to him. So this must have been her expectation. What would have happened if instead of hiding herself away Gong Shil wore the necklace in front of him or simply returned it to him? When she did neither of these things Madame Go gave Joong Won the tip he needed to get his memories back even after he said he did not want to know.
I wondered is Madame was testing their love for each other somehow. She was helpful by warning Gong Shil during their first meeting as well so she is not bad after all.
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yumii
September 26, 2013 at 12:10 AM
Flight of fancy related to Madame Go's warning.
NewGuy wondered if Tae-Yang will recognize him?
Interesting question I thought.
I think that somehow he and Coffee-Ghost are connected to Tae-Yang's 10 days in the mountain and her ability to see ghosts.
If NewGuy is good-maybe he is the one who intervened and sent Tae-Yang's wandering spirit back to her body.
If NewGuy is bad-maybe he is a ghost wearing someone else's body.
I thought it was interesting that he wanted confirmation that Tae-Yang's relationship with Joong-Won was over.
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Jjie
September 26, 2013 at 3:28 AM
Yah...i was afraid of madame go joining forces with evil Hanna to break our OTP but so far it looks like she's there to reiterate the rules of the living/dead (like the possibility that GS spirit wandered long enough to enable her to see the dead) and we get better understanding of how the world works in that dramaverse. I don't think she harbors any malicious intent, her role may be more involved when GS allows dead Hee Joo (I think we all see this happening) to enter her body. So madame go may be needed to help GS return safely?
today's ghost case my be foreshadowing/reflecting the OTP's future. JW is in exactly same situation as the groom where dead lover still Linger around them. GS is able to convince dead gf to move on and client is happily married to his bride. So after evil Hanna Heejoo switcheroo is over with, i hope we get a happy ending
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Angelitaconalas
September 25, 2013 at 8:49 PM
I think the theme the Hong Sisters are sticking to in this drama is the value people put on things and their loved ones. It started with Joong Won calling her a 10 million won radar and has carried through to the Shaman with her statement that Gong Shil paid with her whole body so what does he calculate that is worth. Extremely profound. I will say I love this theme.
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jomo143
September 26, 2013 at 5:07 AM
I love that idea, too.
It is neat how fast a thought-processor JW has in his brain that he was able to hear about his past actions, analyze his behavior and conclude that whatever it was TY did for him was valuable, even without actually feeling it.
The bitterness that he had been previously proud of, at least in comparison to the sweetness of Kang candy, tells him how strong the feelings must have been if he misses them that much. Still math, but it's math for love!
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Priscilla
September 26, 2013 at 2:14 PM
I totally agree with you.
That's why another one of my favorite lines from this episode was the creepy lady saying "That woman gave all of herself. Calculate what that is worth and then try negotiating."
Joong Won has been calculating things all his life, but some things are simply priceless. No monetary value, no kind of payment, can substitute it.
I think that that statement not only caught Joong Won's surprise but also it made him realize that life and love has value that cannot be calculated with mere numbers.
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September 26, 2013 at 4:21 PM
or rather, re-realize it, since he'd given up on the calculations already the first time he told Gong-shil he loved her.
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10 hanakimi
September 25, 2013 at 8:24 PM
this episode is worth for my the 7 days waiting!
way to go HS!
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11 Lisa-Loo-Loo
September 25, 2013 at 8:30 PM
This episode was so good. I normally hate memory loss plots. But I like that Joong Won wasn't some puppet that people could tell anything to. I like that he was emotionally attached to Gong Sil, even though he couldn't figure out why. It was nice to watch him journey back to her. I understood her reasoning for the distance, but didn't like it. I do think that Gong Sil is the one that needs to grow now. She is afraid of more than ghosts, but keeps running away from her shelter. Although if truth be told, I think the shelter is what scares her most.
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Nam Joo-hyuk is Tall
September 25, 2013 at 8:41 PM
I was also surprised how much I didn't mind the dreaded amnesia. It didn't last long, and it was so enjoyable to see JW puzzle out how in a matter of months he had become a completely different person because of one very special radar. It was surprisingly sweet.
I do feel, though, it took some of the steam out of them as a couple. They had been building up the intensity and the romantic connection, and then to have it broken like that, especially when you look at how big of a wall GS put up against him, it just seemed to deflate their chemistry. Knowing these two firecrackers, though, they'll be back to form next ep.
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Lisa-Loo-Loo
September 25, 2013 at 8:46 PM
I agree that the romance was deflated, a little. But I found the chemistry more intense. GS wanted to be with JW, but didn't want to risk him getting hurt again. So every denial had that feeling of longing behind it. JW amnesia was well played because he kept looking for her, but couldn't understand why. The chemistry was in the longing that both felt but for opposite reasons.
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yumii
September 25, 2013 at 8:51 PM
There is a story of a dog that keep meeting the evening train that his owner always took home daily, years after his owner had died.
Joong-Won = dog (wolf)--maybe.
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Koi94
September 26, 2013 at 7:08 AM
Ahh, Hachi...the real life Japanese dog who loyally waited for his master....that Hollywood made into a movie w/Richard Gere as the master with the eponymous title.
S
September 25, 2013 at 8:55 PM
I do agree that they are actually more combustible now. They've grown into their own people now so no one needs the protection of the other.
I enjoyed the hell out of their scenes! And the zippy dialogue!
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September 26, 2013 at 3:56 PM
yeah, this was actually an amnesia plot done right, even if, as you said, episode 13 really suffered from having them be apart for most of the episode.
Sure, there are a LOT of kdrama tropes in here (amnesia, noble idiocy, Hanna/Hee-joo trying to Ursula her way into Joong-won's life) but it completely subverts the usual expectations of such plots - Gong-shil has valid reasons for causing the amnesia/pushing him away makes sense, Joong-won isn't letting himself be fed bs by his aunt/HJ and actually still has the feelings, if not the memories, and Madame Go isn't evil and actually prods him in the right direction towards the sun necklace.
(and I swear, every time they're around each other, I can feel the air around them sparking. Even the occasional dose of directorial overkill on angles and music can't kill their chemistry, ugh. Now I just want them to kiss again and properly, they owe us for the pain of episode 12 and only 1 ep last week!)
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GrandmaFran
September 25, 2013 at 8:48 PM
yes! same here, i thought this was one of the best amnesia as a plot point i've come across. i hated that gong shil was rejecting her but i totally understood her as well. and seeing joong won trying to figure it all out and feeling emotions around her he couldn't understand or remember was just gold! and i'm glad it only lasted 2 episodes, now on to finishing off hana.
i wonder if chun hee had a hand in giving gong shil the ability to see ghosts? also, i loved that they showed that flashback of joong won coming across gong shil being all sad in her office after telling him she didn't need him. he knows she's lying! i hope they get their sexy time kissing real soon.
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12 sooji
September 25, 2013 at 8:31 PM
ep 15 preview for all those that might be interested! :)
http://youtu.be/oaZSTNQRYRY
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antonia
September 25, 2013 at 8:43 PM
LOVE IT!!!!! thank you so much
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Lisa-Loo-Loo
September 25, 2013 at 8:48 PM
THANK YOU!!!!
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yumii
September 25, 2013 at 8:53 PM
Thank you.
psss psss
Could a Korean speaker help a monolingual k-drama addict out?
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Redge
September 25, 2013 at 9:11 PM
Credit to axerine at soompi:
JW: I don't want to end this, now if i seduce you, you must fall over
GS: I think I won't fall over
GS: It's because the charisma is gone right?
JW: 'You have no charisma', this is the first time you are hearing this right?
GS: It hurts?
JW: (can't catch)..try to worry
Hanna: JW seems to really like her..so this time it's this woman?
Hanna: She's dead
GS: I am compatible with this guy? Like how? Get lost!
JW: So now even without me you just feel empty
GS: You know we can't see and hear the same things
JW: I'll hold you so you can't see and hear too
GS: We are slowly becoming of no use to each other
GS: Living will become more comfortable
JW: Stay with me
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yumii
September 25, 2013 at 9:39 PM
Thank you!
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spoilerphobe
September 25, 2013 at 11:55 PM
Guise! Here's a friendly reminder that preview content is off-limits according to dramabeans' no spoiler policy. (When introducing the commenting policy, JB added this clarification about spoilers:
"Has the scene happened in the drama yet? If not, then it’s a spoiler. Spoilers in a recap post will invoke the voodoo rule and get you and your toe-warts hexed. Previews, interview tidbits, all of that counts.
I don't want you and your toe-warts to get hexed, and I don't want JB and GF to get pissed off while moderating the comments, so please be mindful of the policy. I think links to previews are fine, but no preview-based comments or translations please. Thanks.
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yumii
September 26, 2013 at 12:12 AM
Sorry. There wasn't a spoiler until I made the request.
Wasn't thinking.
Redge
September 26, 2013 at 1:29 AM
Ooops, sorry! Won't happen again.
spoilerphobe
September 26, 2013 at 11:47 AM
Thanks. Hopefully no hexing was involved this time 'round. Just want to add that you guys rock and I love reading your comments.
Kisa
September 25, 2013 at 8:54 PM
Thank you!
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PlumWine
September 26, 2013 at 5:53 AM
Thanks! May the day pass quickly for everyone.
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13 elvira
September 25, 2013 at 8:32 PM
It is heeeeeeeeeeeeere!!!!!!!!
Thank you very much!!!!!!!
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14 Nana
September 25, 2013 at 8:33 PM
i havent read the recap (thank you!) but i already had a feeling you'd use that cap as the main photo.. she breaking the 4th wall, just LOL
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15 soyabeans
September 25, 2013 at 8:38 PM
Thanks for the recaps! Have been waiting for it!
Could someone help to clarify the part, when the shaman/matchmaker said: "Now I understand why he’s special to her.”
What makes her say that? The shaman can't see ghosts but perhaps she can sense that the Hee Joo ghost disappears once JW touches GS? Is that it?
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Angelitaconalas
September 25, 2013 at 8:41 PM
She saw the aura of the ghost disappear. Even though she can't see the dead she senses their aura and that's what makes her a great matchmaker, it's not just smoke and mirrors. Which is why I hate her and she needs to go!
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soyabeans
September 25, 2013 at 8:54 PM
Thanks, Angelitaconalas! Yeah, I thought so too, just wanted some confirmation :)
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16 Angelitaconalas
September 25, 2013 at 8:38 PM
Whoa, this was great! The master is like a dog with a bone... No matter what TGS does to stay away from him he can't let go of his sun! I want to see what Ha Na does now. She's been told twice she's not like the real thing. I predict she is the twin who lived in the orphanage and the dead one is actually the one who was adopted to Europe.
I love this show! I can't wait for the next episode but I'm also sad about the ending being near.
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Angelitaconalas
September 25, 2013 at 8:42 PM
Ohhhh, I almost forgot! Coffee ghost friend guy... Who is he?! Why would she remember him, he's hot but I love Master, he's my precious! Decisions, decisions... my brain hurts!
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met
September 25, 2013 at 10:09 PM
Umm, Chun-Hee is (was?) Master too in Cyrano Dating Agency, so which Master do you refer to? :P
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Angelitaconalas
September 25, 2013 at 10:21 PM
Joong Won of coarse! I know Chun Hee was master in Cyrano Dating Agency but this drama is called The Masters Sun, a play on their names... so, Joong Won is the Master I am referring to. I can't get enough of him!!!!
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Ellie
September 26, 2013 at 1:07 AM
I think during the 3 years that she was wandering off, she met ChunHee the seer. Just like how she is with the ghosts, CH welcomed her and helped her while she was out of her body. I also think that CH fell in love with her. She's so good, her kindness even transcends death. haha. And just like how JW is with her, she also can't remember the time she spent with him. This is actually a good filler for the extension, I think.
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Crystal
September 26, 2013 at 6:44 AM
Now that you talk about Chun Hee, I think that he did meet with Gong Shil while she was in coma, and he brought her back to her body by using the same technique she used to bring JW back. This can explain why Gong Shil can't remember him or anything that happen from her accident to her waking up from the coma. CH paid with her memories of him to bring GS back to her body. In this case, the plot of JW's accident and memory loss fit perfectly into the story line (and remaining episodes). The dynamic between JW's memory loss and the CH's sudden appearance its there to explain us why GS can't remember part of her past before seeing ghost (although it does not explain why she can see the ghosts, at least that it was also part of the deal to bring her back-sharing CH's unsual ability). Anyways, we'll see how the story line develops and how good we all are in our temporary 'script writer' roles hehehe :)
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thursdaynexxt
September 26, 2013 at 7:16 AM
Just what I was wondering!
Well, 3 years is a long time to be wandering round as a ghost - maybe he got to know her and fell in love with her and did the whole Little Mermaid deal to bring his Sleeping Beauty back? Or maybe he "guided" her back for another motive... Maybe he is Gong-shil's very own version of non-evil Hanna, hanging around her all this time?
yumii
September 25, 2013 at 8:58 PM
I think the Master is like a dog who has forgotten where he buried his bone. But he's sure he had one, and he's sure he buried it somewhere around here.
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Angelitaconalas
September 25, 2013 at 10:24 PM
I hate the Shaman but that was a great plot twist. I'm glad he didn't die and I'm glad he felt an emptiness inside whenever she turned him away. Maybe it was just his ego getting hurt by her turning him down but nonetheless I loved the effect.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
September 26, 2013 at 3:58 PM
hahahahahaa dying here
(and he won't have it when the bone tries to convince him that it isn't what he wants, either)
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17 meanrice
September 25, 2013 at 8:38 PM
What is Chunderella involved in????
I thought that this did a good job of him working things out to get his memory back as well as manage the potential overuse of flashbacks.
But CHUNDERELLA you best not be the 11:59pm bad guy.
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Luna
September 25, 2013 at 10:07 PM
He probably met her when she was asleep and her soul was wandering and was the reason why she wouldn't wake up even though her body was ok. Remember how the coma water ghost was? Her family also said that her body was ok and they were wondering why she won't wake up. Same thing with GS, she probably had a good time with Chun Hee while asleep so it took her a while to wake up.
I think Coffee Boy's plot, though recent, wasn't just thought up to fill the extension. In episode 5, GS actually badgers him about why he died and mentions that he never talked about it with her. Wonder what happened with him, her and ChunHee in the mountains.... Maybe she saved Chun Hee somehow and Coffee Boy is his brother and he's guarding her? Hope we get more clues in the next ep. Can't wait until tomorrow!
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18 queencircles
September 25, 2013 at 8:40 PM
Ah! So good. I like how the amnesia is used here. I'm a happy viewer when character motivation makes sense.
I was totally swooning over Joongwon today. So cute trying to remember.
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19 Pepper Fish
September 25, 2013 at 8:40 PM
“It looks the same, but that’s not the real one.”
Burn!
That line was so awesome the moment he said it. I'm going with the theory that Hanna's obsessed with Joong-won in one fashion or another. Not certain if she wants to destroy him or replace her sister at his side (I'm leaning towards the latter). The best part about his cutting remark is that he doesn't even know how deep it landed. She finally had an emotion on her face that wasn't smug.
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20 MinMin
September 25, 2013 at 8:42 PM
I don't know if anyone realized, but "Hanna" is actually Hee Joo. The live one called the ghost "unni" and I'm pretty sure Hanna is the older one.
Anyways, thanks for the recap, it always makes my day!!
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BB
September 25, 2013 at 9:02 PM
considering that, the line “it looks the same, but that’s not the real one" wasn't just referring to the necklace, but the person holding the necklace as well.
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met
September 25, 2013 at 10:16 PM
Which twin is Unni?
Btw, I see in episode when Joong-Won visit Hee-Joo ashes, it stated she was born in 1977, but in this episode in Hanna's pamphlet, it's stated 1979. But maybe it's just an error in production, idk
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Luna
September 25, 2013 at 10:19 PM
How do you know which twin is the older one?
I disagree with the Hanna is dead theory though because as far as we know, she didn't know him prior to looking for Heejoo. The ghost seems to genuinely love Joongwon, and it seems like real Heejoo was the only one who had enough time to actually know him and fall for him. Just my two cents anyway. We'll find out soon enough lol.
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yumii
September 25, 2013 at 10:48 PM
I think in the episode where Hanna first meet Secretary Kim she said something about going to find her 'little' sister. I haven't checked since I first saw it so I might be wrong.
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MinMin
September 26, 2013 at 7:01 AM
In ep 13, Hanna said to Secretary Kim in the flashback that she was headed to Korea to find her younger sister. In Korea, even between twins, theres an older and younger one, so I'm pretty sure the ghost is Hanna. Also, the editing in this ep when "Hanna" was talking to her ghost twin was making it seem like it was a big reveal.
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dustdevil
September 25, 2013 at 11:37 PM
Yup, I'm on board with this theory, mostly because every time Gong Shil says "Hee Joo" to the ghost, "Hanna" totally responds.
-back in high school, Hanna goes to find Hee Joo. They do a "Parent Trap" switcheroo, and it's Hanna who falls in love with younger Joong Won.
-Hee Joo orchestrates the kidnapping, and gets Hanna killed.
-Hee Joo disappears and assumes Hanna's identity.
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21 readlead
September 25, 2013 at 8:42 PM
I LOVE THIS EP! SO MANY FEEEEELS!!! I am not wrong when last week I said that the amnesia would be worth to their relationship. The result doesnt disappoint me, I am totally satisfy with this ep!
Thanks JB, for the recaps, I agree with all you said, cant wait for tomorrow!
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22 yumii
September 25, 2013 at 8:42 PM
CALLING IT—Hanna is dead. Bad-Bitch HeeJoo is alive and bad-bitching all over the drama. I've thought that for a while but I Came to that conclusion because “Hanna” addressing the ghost at “unni” confirm that HeeJoo is the one that survived. Isn’t HeeJoo the younger twin?
Love Uncle SexyLips doing his best to fill in for Secretary Kim by keeping the OTP’s relationship going.
I love that Uncle SexyLips report to Joong-Won about his relationship with Tae-Yang was so colored by his subjective memory. Tae-Yang was almost is full-fledged gangster mode when discussing the haunted vase with Aunty Pain-in-the-A.
I think Aunty Pain-in-the-A hiring Madame Go was a way of humiliating Tae-Yang by having her work as a medium or revealing her as a fraud. Things did not go as she expected, however.
Joong-Won stopping by and interrupting Tae-Yang’s conversation with the man haunted by his dead fiancée by speaking of their past relationship reminds me of My Lovely Kim Sam Soon when Jin-Jeon would always break up Sam-Soon’s arrange dates.
Coffee Ghost—I’m fearing that I’m going to be disappointed in him. I thought he might have a crush on Tae-Yang and was ultimately looking out for her best interest. Tonight’s episode suggests otherwise.
Kang-Woo, love his resolve and follow through on not having the courage to protect Tae-Yang despite her haunting.
The episode could have used more Tae Yi-Ryeong and Secretary Kim. I understand that Secretary Kim needed to be absent since he had all the answers to Joong-Won’s questions, and Joong-Won needed his time in the wilderness before he could enter the promise land.
What did Madame Go mean when she said Joong-Won memories are safely guarded in the necklace and Tae-Yang hasn’t given it back to him? Does she mean Tae-Yang that the power/option of unsealing Joong-Won’s memories, not just filling him in on missing details but allowing him to experience the memories for himself?
When Madame Go said that recently there was a lack of ‘suitable’ brides among the dead—is this because there are so fewer virgins dying.
Observation: Joong-Won is not a graceful walker, but he is a sexy leaner.
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Pepper Fish
September 25, 2013 at 8:56 PM
I think the memories were locked in the necklace. I noticed that Gong Sil always covered it up throughout episode 13 and 14 whenever she saw Joong-won. By the time he finally does see it on her, as the psychic said, he had another necklace/path he could take so the Gong Sil's necklace didn't automatically trigger the memory return. At least that's what I'm guessing. Earlier in this episode, the psychic asked Gong Sil why she hadn't return the necklace to him and thereby return his memories. Gong Sil said it was better this way, etc.
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yumii
September 25, 2013 at 9:01 PM
I didn't make much of Tae-Yang covering the necklace because she has kept it hidden since she got it except for one occasion I think.
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S
September 25, 2013 at 8:58 PM
Maybe when JW touches the necklace again he will regain all memories??
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xianzhongfan
September 25, 2013 at 9:08 PM
Observation: Joong-Won is not a graceful walker, but he is a sexy leaner.
I totally agree. Be it leaning on the door or the table.
And the pink pants, may I say I love them on him.
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Kim Yoonmi
September 25, 2013 at 9:11 PM
"I think Aunty Pain-in-the-A hiring Madame Go was a way of humiliating Tae-Yang by having her work as a medium or revealing her as a fraud. Things did not go as she expected, however."
I disagree. She was watching JW several times go to the room and sit in it. And then with the dinner with Hanna, she specifically brought up the date he had with GS and brought the wine he used to court GS at the Hotel, knowing he wouldn't remember.
My little radar went up on that line. I think she's too proud to admit she was wrong, but she's not too proud to try to make things right. She set off my radar a few times. And she never admonished her husband for devulging the information once.
I think she brought Hanna, 'cause she realize the necklace thing (she has really sharp noonchi) and she brought up the wine thing because she knew that she was wrong and how important GS was to him afterall--before she didn't think it was that deep of a relationship and he was just being foolish to a candy girl that wanted riches, but seeing him repeatedly chase her, she seemed to shift in this episode.
May be just me though...
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elfin
September 25, 2013 at 9:35 PM
I agree with you. She even reminded him that he was suppose to bring his girlfriend to the hotel but now he can bring hana instead. It seems like little by little in her own way, she wants him to remember Taeyang
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bbeth
September 26, 2013 at 9:27 AM
I saw it as she was concerned that JW cared more than he let on. I always believed her to be on JW's side, so that had he been completely honest about loving Gongshil, she wouldn't have opposed it.
He did tell her (earlier) that it was a meaningless relationship, she's clinging to him(not letting go) without love. Secretary Kim told her that they started a relationship thinking that it had an end, and so Aunt is only trying to finish and close the end so JW can be happy and set up with a rich girl 'matching his level' than be caught by someone she thinks is a gold-digger.
Like Uncle's story was skewed from what actually had happened, Aunt's view is also only partial so she was trying to show JW what a golddigger GS was - only, it made him realize the discrepancy and absence even more.
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yumii
September 25, 2013 at 9:58 PM
I will take your interpretation into consideration. I don't see it now, but I'll look for it in the future.
From my perspective she is the least faceted character in the drama. I'm not sure if the fault is in the writing or the acting, but Aunty-Pain seems so much less dimensional than the other characters. All I see is a woman whose thinking is restricted by the parameters of social status. I know the actress can create a more nuance performance than she is doing here. She was wonderful in Babyface Beauty.
Even Uncle SexyLips has less lines but has managed to create a multi-layered character. [I think the production refocused the character from their original intention.] At first he seemed like a person who wanted to sink Joong-Won because he had a chance of taking over Kingdom Mall if Joong-Won was deemed unfit to lead. That aspect seem to have gone away and now we have a man married to an older insecure woman who he genuinely cares about but fears. Instead of supporting a Joong-Won/Tae-Yang match for personal gain, he now seems to support it because it is good for Joong-Won and he finds it amusing.
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Kim Yoonmi
September 26, 2013 at 8:04 AM
She's layered, but much more subtly...
They even made the joke about the packet of money around her.
My character write up for her would be this:
She's watched her brother and her nephew feud ever since the necklace incident. She's always wanted to know what happened to the necklace. There have been quite a few lines that shows she genuinely cares about JW, but her character is quite proud, so seems aloof and harsh. (She was shown not to be. in the vase episode)
She seems to want to know what happened to the necklace so that the rift between her brother and her nephew will end, and has been keeping a watch on her nephew for her brother since the accident. This makes her protective of her nephew, which is why she impulsively said those harsh things in the hospital hall.
She has a husband that seems like a doofus and has no noonchi, but he's actually sharper than he looks.
So since she was told by JW that his candy girl was just a call girl, she believed him. She never really got involved that much, but her pride and seeming stiff exterior makes it hard for her to admit how she's wrong (in voice).
So in the hospital she said something on impulse to GS. Then she saw JW go down the hall. And then she saw him look at the books. And then she saw him look at GS. At the same time she'd already tried to match make him and Hanna. So she couldn't take that back. But I think she also realized he was staring at the necklace, so kept Hanna around. She explicitly got the wine and said he could go to a hotel where he spent a ton of money on GS. There was several lines where JW says how much he must have changed to have GS around, explicitly in front of his Aunt and I think she figured out that it was positive change. And her husband who usually absolutely obeys her, and she catches on everything slips by? I think not. She's too sharp. And then she hears about GS hanging around that matchmaker, whom she previously disapproved of and then suddenly set up a meeting, knowing GS would be there--the very thing she originally said GS should not do, she forced into happening (Don't show up around JW again). Also when JW recovered his memories, she didn't seem all that shocked, it looked like pretend shock to me. HN seemed far more shocked. She never said, "How dare you" or "Don't go to that girl" She let him go, but has a better poker face.
The Uncle has no poker face.
Not asking you to agree. Just showing another POV.
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PlumWine
September 26, 2013 at 6:05 AM
Wow! Thanks for pointing out those little things I missed, like the wine. I thought she was having doubts when she watched him staring at the office, but when she invited Han Na over again I figured she was still matchmaking. I want to like her, so thanks for helping me rethink her actions.
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yumii
September 25, 2013 at 10:12 PM
Meant to mention--the conclusion/completion of the dead boy in trunk Joong-Won almost killed arc was wrapped up in such a perfunctory way it had no resonance.
I felt/revealed itself as a plot device, nothing more.
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met
September 25, 2013 at 10:28 PM
LOL, I love your observation.
I always find SJS hot, but I am annoyed with the way he walks, haha
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Petitedov
September 25, 2013 at 11:29 PM
I also think Hanna is dead, and the "left behind" in the orphanage twin survived. Being an orphan I can see how she would be jealous & resentful of the real Hanna and convincing Hanna to switch with her and then steal the necklace to finance a nice lifestyle she never had and then when the real Hanna dies, taking over her life in London & then wanting to have the love that Hanna experienced with JW. Secretary Kim remembers a sweet Hanna - the ghost seems to fit the description, unlike the current Hanna.
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Moonbean
September 25, 2013 at 11:48 PM
UncleSexyLips truly excelled this episode. In spite of the clear warnings of his wife whom he really is afraid of, he kept feeding Joong Won crucial info behind her back. I found him funny from the beginning but started liking him from the moment he started to support their relationship.
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23 kit
September 25, 2013 at 8:43 PM
Hm. I don't particularly mind where amnesia led us, but I don't like it either. I do understand it's been built into this whole drama since the beginning, we all knew it was coming. But these episodes have just seemed ....... slow. Hong Sisters are always so whippy in the beginning, and then it kind of dies close to the end before reviving it for a cute finish. I know the episode extension is probably to blame with that as well, with eps 13 and 14 definitely needing to have been together.
Going to reiterate what I said last ep - my favourite thing is how Joongwon is taking the initiative to search, and how he wants to back out at the last minute bc urgh FEELINGS but can't. And how he didn't take the Goo Joon Pyo route and believe some other chick was the real thing, because all the evidence points to Gongshil. It's so heartwarming to see how many people and situations vouch for her, what a huge change she's had in his life. And he likes them! He likes spending his favourite monies on making children centres!!!!
Also! Her accident was in the mountains in the forest! Another link! Thank goodness we're going to figure out what her accident had to do with anything/everything now that Chunhee's in the picture.
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queencircles
September 25, 2013 at 9:41 PM
What I didn't like about Joongwon taking the initiative is that he already did that a couple of episodes ago when he declared himself to her. Gong Shil has never really acknowledged her own feelings to him which is what I am waiting for. She's afraid because of things like the pool incident, but she needs to put herself out there to him.
He's always known there was something there but she keeps downplaying it, even when he did remember.
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24 bluemouse
September 25, 2013 at 8:43 PM
Thanks for the recap as always! I love this episode so much!
First off, Gong Sil trekking around in that white raincoat in the graveyard at night in all that mist hearkened back to the very first episode! I feel like that is both of sentimental value (the show is coming to an end, and alludes to its roots) and also to the fact that GS has to return somewhat to the way she was living before, essentially wiping the slate clean in a way equivalent to JW's amnesia.
Also, can I say that JW is SO AWESOME. Amnesia tropes are often annoying to watch when the person suffering from it becomes tricked/manipulated and then the audience has to suffer from repeatedly screaming at the TV screen in dire hopes of any chance of them triggered into recovering their memory. But oh no, Joong Won.... he doesn't wait!
He frigging pieces back the puzzle, and even goes as far as to lure GS into his office and semi-interrogates her.
Also loving VP uncle so much this episode: his skewed/exaggerated account of GS is absolutely hilarious.
I'm also excited that they are actually going to explore what happened to GS. I was worried that that storyline would get waylaid because of the Hee Joo stuff but it seems like we could finally know about our lovable heroine, thank goodness.
Can't wait for the next episode!
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25 Onion2240
September 25, 2013 at 8:45 PM
Loved the reversal in this episode where JW is always reaching to touch GS and GS is repeatedly telling JW to keep his hands to himself. I really enjoyed this episode! So many favorite scenes.
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26 Suzuka
September 25, 2013 at 8:45 PM
Great episode
On a Hana note when he said its not the genuine one I think it meant more than we think, maybe she is not Hana but hee joo maybe she pulled a twin switch!
As for the coffee guy.... Can't wait to see where they go with this hope it's not some last minute plot.. That goes nowhere..
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crashbabe
September 26, 2013 at 2:16 AM
I second that - that was what i thought cos the scene that Uncle/Secretary Kim had a flashback about with the original happy, cheerful Hanna is VERY different from the one he met after the death of the supposed Hee-joo (kudos to the actress able to pull off 2 different feels) and that made me think that the real Hee-Joo took over the dead Hanna's life cos she grew up kinda bitter, cynical in the orphanage.
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27 KimYoonmi
September 25, 2013 at 8:48 PM
Play by Play
- I like how he keeps chasing memories even if he doesn't seem to want to. Showing the heart/mind are united and the same thing... as well as his intellectualism can't close his already open heart/mind.
- I also like the pause before doing anything with the beer.
- I love the Uncle character in this episode giving "Harmless" information. I went from finding him comic relief and annoying to loving him in this episode. Hong Sisters strike again. (They are really good at fleshing out supporting characters)
- The flashbacks with the reimagination (the vase scene)
- Tae Gong Sil in some ways starts back at the beginning, but then it shows that she really isn't at the start.
- I like the use of Candy in the episode.
- Also how coffee person might not be on her side after all.
- I like how the Ghost Matchmaker isn't that evil and isn't against GS and JW reuniting, but match makes them anyway. She shows GS and JW that they can't return from square one even if they want to. And forces GS to force herself.
- The white returns for the ghost hunting. Gong Sil returns to the beginning, but stronger because she remembers JW's love through the necklace.
- Little Sun is priceless in helping GS too, often by accident. I get the feeling she doesn't really hate GS at all. I love her. I want ship her and KW.
- The double meanings were well done in this episode too, making it funny.
- Satoori!!! <3<3 on KW talking to Little Sun. (TIR)
- KW became more like a second lead male, though he still is acting a lt like a Second Lead female.
- Here He wears sky blue switching from black. Showing that he's waiting for his sun to rise in his sky. (gray slacks)
- The colors of blue and Green switch in the scene where he interrupts the "call" meeting. Before he wore Green (episode with the soldier) and she wore blue, but now he's wearing blue and she's wearing green.
- Hanna gets plastic surgery!
- The Aunt isn't as evil as she seems and understands JW better than she seems, since she sees him chasing after her.
- The people I can see are scarier comes up again. (Foreshadowing??? Red Herring?)
- And then the necklace shows up again. Hanna killed her sister?
- KW takes mercy and helps GS, despite still liking her.
- JW here wears tan clothes.
- The guy who comes in, wears tan and green clothes, which match the two colors worn by JW and GS. And through him he serves to reunite them.
- JW comes to meet the guy and GS and KJW symbolically come together.
- The Uncle again. <3
- Hands play a role in the knocking also the Master hands (hands behind his back like a sageuk--there is a focus on it, and that's when he comes back to her too.)
- She was in a coma for 3 years and so became able to see ghosts. (Separated from her body)
- The coffee Ghost could be evil. (The other Master~~ In joke??)
- KW in the dark, following her. TT
- JW's aunt tries to pry JW to remember even more.
- JW wears pink pants with a white shirt. Pink usually means ready to hold onto love in Drama lore. (Is the white a cloud?)
- JW's fixation on the necklace is well done.
- I like the rick with the phone and the subversion of expectations with Secretary Kim's phone.
- JW is in White, pink and tan now. Tan+green is what the garage guy was wearing. She's wearing Green. Pink is love/like... Korean dramas use pink a lot for this purpose.
- I like how JW knows himself very well.
- Habits are stronger than memories in this.
- And the subversion as she's walking away, but it hurts that much more watching them.
- GS is choosing not to revisit the love.
- Satoori on handwriting is the same~~.
- You expect him to touch the necklace in order to regain his memories, but it's really toucing GS, where he initiates all of the touch that brings back his memory, not touching the necklace. (people over objects).
- JJW sees the necklace on GS
- His uncle gives yet another tip.
- JW out of habit gets involved with GS's business again.
- The Ghost Matchmaker echoes his hand movements from the holding of the necklace.
- This is when they employ a reflection. The reflection was used before to reflect souls, etc. It's almost a "He sees himself now"
- They continue the reflection.
- JW echoes the hand movement from the Ghost Matchmaker.
- I like the double meaning on the fact that the necklace is fake on Hanna and she's also fake.
- Only thing is recovering his memory would be more painful.
- GS's clothes, shift from plaid (like the first episode), to white ghost hunter to the same green as the person who stabbed JW. GS persists in wearing these clothes until the end where she finally rises in his sky again and he wears black like the night, as he was in the first episode and she wears sun colors again.
- The last scene feels a lot like ISWAK's confession.
Again, the colors fail to match in this episode as they fail to connect, unlike the first episodes where they were almost couple clothes.
Theme: Even when you think things are dead, they still live, because if you're alive, you still have to live. You can't go back to the world of the dead. (Separation of domains)
Secondary theme about letting go when people have moved on, but played like a red herring.
I thought this episode was better than the previous.
There was a lot of shifting about which sides the characters are really on. You aren't sure who has what loyalties. And my view of several characters shifted a lot. There was a lot more efficient showing of how the previous episodes impacted the characters, made them change and how they no longer can act like they are dead, but are alive now and have to embrace it. I hope with this episode, we are back on track.
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yumii
September 25, 2013 at 10:09 PM
- The people I can see are scarier comes up again. (Foreshadowing??? Red Herring?)
I think the live twin (HeeJoo) who Joong-Won can see will prove to be more scarier than the dead twin (Hanna) who he cannot see.
The metaphor becomes flesh.
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Moonbean
September 26, 2013 at 12:05 AM
Also shows that Joong Won's character is acting consistently with or without his memories. That's a belief he has held for a long time and is not going to change just because he forgot Gong Shil. Nothing he lived with Gong Shil convinced him to the opposite, in fact almost every time he was proven right .
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28 pumpkinattack
September 25, 2013 at 8:50 PM
Thank you for the recap! This episode really impressed me...the pacing was right on. Memory loss and noble idiocy done and over with in one episode made it really work for me. ;) Starting to feel invested...
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29 crystalinkz
September 25, 2013 at 8:50 PM
My theory is that the new Hanna is the real Hee Joo who is bitter about the live difference between her and her twin. The ghost is Hanna. When they meet, I think Hanna acts as Hee Joo sometimes. In that time, Hanna really falls in love with Jong Woon. All of the kidnapping accident is Hee Joo's scheme. After the accident, Hee Joo takes Hanna's live. She is not even bit sorry since she thinks Hanna owes her that much for her sorry live before.
In nut shell, Hanna good, Hee Joo bad :P
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Kim Yoonmi
September 25, 2013 at 8:58 PM
The only problem with that is the Joo Won Joo Two. Joo Three. That's only something she and Joo Won shared.
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yumii
September 25, 2013 at 9:05 PM
I don't think Joong-won, two, three is unique to HeeJoo and Joong-won.
I think Joong-won never knew HeeJoo, I think he was dealing with HeeHannaJoo--two people not one.
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Moonbean
September 26, 2013 at 12:11 AM
I think like Yumi as well. Either both girls had a relationship with him at the same time (meaning one filled in for the other at times) which necessitates sharing of a lot of information or the one having the relationship told the other enough details to make her jealous/fall in love with Joong Won. I think the former fits what we saw more because it explains the cruelty of the girl towards Joong Won and his love of her in spite of that. She must be sweet and cruel at the same time.
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dramabliss
September 26, 2013 at 9:38 AM
I also thought this very possible, that Hee-joo and Hanna were switching back and forth as Joong Won's young love. Maybe it got to a point where Hee-Joo realized it was Hanna that he was really in love (without his knowing it of course) and that might have triggered the kidnapping--Hee-joo planning it to get rid of her sister.
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En En Koh
September 26, 2013 at 12:28 AM
Let's see it as a The Prestige theory. Anyone watched it? Christian Bale actually has a twin that nobody knew of, who went to jail for him, who also had chopped off his own fingers. The twins are basically in sync and shared the same wife. The wife eventually left bcos her husband(s) always seemed detached. Cos it's actually 2 guys!
In the beginning, Cha Hee Joo seemed to blow hot & cold toward JW and he seemed confused by that. I would like to think it's because he was facing 2 different girls at the same time! There is a posibility that BOTH the twins may have feelings for young JW knowing he's a good catch (rich parents).
I think the show meant to confuse viewers who is who and let's just wait till everything has been revealed. Don't have to wait long, just a couple more episodes :P
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30 lee
September 25, 2013 at 8:53 PM
Thanks for the recap!! Now this ending i like! Very promising ;) Although I was sort of rolling my eyes when GS was being noble and pushing JW away..
My take on hanna would be that she was jealous of hee joo and plotted or had a hand in JW's kidnapping. .she was probably the one in the photo all tied up which they sent to JW to lure him..some how hee joo found out and rushed to save him and got killed..now hanna is back with a new face and plans to have the man hee joo loves.
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31 juliesean
September 25, 2013 at 8:53 PM
From the EP15 preview, it seems that he may not have regained total memory. It's still in bits and pieces.
Awesome episode but I just wish that they get together since death threatened to separate them for eternity. They need to stand united for future evils coming their way.
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yumii
September 25, 2013 at 9:09 PM
Secretary Kim is back--so maybe he hasn't recovered his memory, but Secretary Kim recapped his relationship with Tae-Yang so he know more than he did before.
Except for Joong-Won and Tae-Yang, Secretary Kim knows more than anyone else about their relationship. [That is also the reason he needed to be away for most of this episode--because from what we saw, he could have found that information out with a phone call.]
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dustdevil
September 25, 2013 at 11:50 PM
I like the idea of Secretary Kim laying it all out there for Joong-Won.
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spoilerphobe
September 25, 2013 at 11:39 PM
@juliesean~ for future reference, dramabeans has a no spoilers policy which includes not mentioning anything that was shown in the previews. Cheers.
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thesandwitch04
September 26, 2013 at 6:35 AM
Preach!
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request
September 26, 2013 at 9:36 AM
Please tag spoilers. Episode previews count as spoilers. Thank you.
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32 Moonbean
September 25, 2013 at 8:53 PM
Thanks for the recap Javabeans.
I have to make my usual disclaimer that I have only watched the episode raw so far but also read detailed recaps. Still, not the same level of comprehension as watching it with subs… And second viewings always change opinions.
I’m torn about this episode. I like the fact that Joong Won is feeling the absence of Gong Shil in his life so deeply, keeps pursuing her and questioning everyone he can to get to the bottom of this hole he is feeling in his life. But once he starts putting the pieces of the puzzle together this scares him intensely. He gets even more scared than he was before the stabbing, which is not surprising of course. There is a world of difference between “I think I love you” and loving someone to the point of sacrificing your life for that person. Add to that Hee Joo’s betrayal, this intense love of course scares the hell out of him. But… he did almost go to heaven or hell. Wouldn’t that change one’s opinion? Furthermore what is to be afraid of when the other person loves you at least as much?
I don’t want to talk about Gong Shil much because that’s the bit of the story that bothers me the most. Not that I don’t understand her or like her. Quite the opposite. I feel her pain so intensely that it’s too much. 1,5 episodes too much for my taste. That’s why I don’t watch melodramas much. I don’t have the heart for it. Anyway, back to Gong Shil, for me the most touching part about her story is the transformation of her attitude with her love for Joong Won. We keep talking about how much Joong Won is changing and that is true, he is changing as a person and the way he lives his life but Gong Shil’s attitude to Joong Won went to polar opposites from the beginning of the story when she was sticking to him not to see ghosts to the end when to save his life not only did she have to give him up but also had to start actively chasing after ghosts in cemeteries in the middle of the night. That is as profound show of one’s love as Joong Won’s taking the screwdriver in his back for her. If that doesn’t prove to Joong Won he is not just her emergency shelter I don’t know what will. In the face of this, his refusal to remember he told her he loved her seems petty (and haven’t we covered this ground already? Wasn’t he trying to face his fears and get rid of them?). I suppose things will get resolved by tonight's episode but I guess I'm not impressed by the level of progress.
There was a dialogue I liked that reflected back to a past conversation: When Joong Won asked Gong Shil what his ghost could have said to her that scared her so much I remembered when they were talking about Hee Joo. Joong Won described to Gong Shil the words “I love you” Hee Joo’s ghost in possession of Gong Shil’s body uttered as frightening… In the same vein Gong Shil described to Joong Won his ghost’s words (“I love you”) as frightening… Enough to send her away. There is a logic to that. Gong Shil thinks this guy loves me so much that he would do anything to protect me. Being the way that I am I will keep putting him in danger, so I have to stay away. Too sad…
Another thing I liked: Gong Shil is able to actively chase ghosts in spite of her fear because she saw something even more scary: Joong Won’s ghost. So for her, it was a worthy bargain in the end. That description of Joong Won’s spirit being the scariest of them all was very touching.
The way Joong Won dismissed Han Na at the end of the episode without smallest hesitation makes her look lot less scary now.
They have been dangling the takeover of Gong Shil’s body by Hee Joo’s ghost in front of us for two weeks now. I am guessing to continue to separate the couple further (God forbid we should have some happy episodes before the end!) the cliffhanger of the episode coming to the last week of the show will be the takeover. Two episodes with a comatose/amnesiac Joong Won, one or two with a possessed Gong Shil during both of which no romance is possible, and there finishes the series. That is the main source of my frustration. I want to see some happy times!
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yumii
September 25, 2013 at 10:35 PM
"I’m torn about this episode. . . . Furthermore what is to be afraid of when the other person loves you at least as much?"
You make some great points.
1) But I think, not everyone walks into love with a open heart and a trusting soul. Some who are wounded on the battlefield never return to the skirmish. Others crawl back reluctantly because they can't help themselves. And there are still some that are dragged back kicking and screaming because they know the pain that can be felt there.
2) I think that the amnesia/separation was necessary because Joong-Won was never committed to forever with Tae-Yang.
He is/was afraid of the promise that a fully committed love makes you believe in.
Joong-Won would, I suspect, marry someone he respected and could enlarge his empire, but he would not marry for love that promised a happy forever after.
Even as he declared his love for Tae-Yang, he could only do it after she assured him she would make sure it didn't go too far (along in time) -- nor hold out the prospect of forever after. That's why he could romantically engage with her, because he expected it would end.
That need to be assured of an ending, I think is Joong-Won's protective device. Because Hee-Joo's betrayal told showed him there was no 'happily ever after' [and his father serial monogamy in no way counteracted that] he cannot risk having his heart/soul go through that betrayal again. By denying the possibility of forever, he thinks he'll be better prepared for the end, because he always assume it would come. [This of course is a delusion he is feeding himself as a way of having the courage to be with Tae-Yang]
So the separation is necessary for Joong-Won to make the leap into the hope of a forever. It should make him, when he declares himself again to Tae-Yang, do so without a time condition. It will give him the courage to demand a 'happily ever after' because the separation would have taught him that nothing can protect you from heartache if you lose your love--no matter the conditions you placed on you relationship.
Therefore if that is the case you might as well just dive into the ocean of love without your waterwings, because if love decides to swallow you up, waterwings won't help.
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Moonbean
September 25, 2013 at 11:04 PM
I don't disagree with the need for separation necessarily. Let's say the near-death experience wasn't enough for him to ignore his fear and dive into this relationship wholeheartedly. I think my problem is not necessarily the idea but way they stretched the story. If we skipped episode 13 or combined 13-14 to a single episode I might have been fine with this. Even having both aired in the same week would have helped a little as Javabeans commented. But extending the angst to 3 weeks is just too much for me. And it's not even over yet. Now we have a chasing Joong Won and avoiding Gong Shil. Noble idiocy or not, I don't care for the label but I'm not happy with the result. I guess I'm just annoyed that I won't get the happy episodes I want.
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Moonbean
September 25, 2013 at 11:08 PM
Oh, also the fact that the skinship is reduced to wrist/arm grabs doesn't help either. As a relationship develops I expect more, not less. But parallel to the other aspects of the relationship we have stalled for the last 2 episodes on this as well.
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yumii
September 26, 2013 at 12:33 AM
Feel you on the lack of skinship.
But I will say I often take the side of the artist/creator even if it results in delayed gratification for audience.
Consider this.
If Tae-Yang and Joong-Won entered into a relationship from right after his declaration Tae-Yang would always feel like the junior partner in the relationship. Joong-Won brings everything desirable to the relationship. He would bring the money, status and that extra-something--no, not his sexyness but his ability to disappear ghosts. Geez she can't even have a normal life without Joong-Won there to hold her hands. What use does she serve to him. She can't even find the necklace. Everyone around her from Snobby Aunty and the mall gossips confirm that. TAE-YANG WOULD BE CANDY. That is the one role she has struggled against playing from the start.
The separation allows her to keep her word, build self- esteem, recognize that what she brings to the relationship is Joong-won's full humanity.
Also, we begin to see the need for contact reversed. Before Tae-Yang was the one that needed the physical contact to keep ghosts at bay and Joong-Won had the power to give or deny access. Now he is the one who needs to have physical contact to keep the feeling of disquiet that comes with sensing he's lost something important at bay.
Let's see if tomorrow she gives him permission to grab a spot between her elbow and her wrist and how much will doing so cost him.
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Moonbean
September 26, 2013 at 1:11 AM
Of course I wasn't expecting them to jump into a relationship as soon as he declares his feelings and I would not enjoy watching an unequal relationship. It wouldn't feel Gong Shil's character either. My problem is writers are always in a hurry to mess things up when they are going well (separating a couple for example) but veeery slow in getting them back together for my taste. I am not after instant gratification but I definitely want some before the show ends. I have seen so many stories that had episodes of separation ending in the last 5 minutes of the show (exaggerating here) that it became a phobia for me. Maybe I should not watch shows while they are airing. I think I can be more tolerant if I'm forewarned.
I could be more tolerant of these episodes if this show was 20 episodes for example. Or if they did this few episodes earlier. But now I'm thinking there are so many threads to tie up when will they have time for romance?
thursdaynexxt
September 26, 2013 at 7:29 AM
What, like a designated Joo Joong-won Zone? Sure, I'll take that, as long as it includes his sexy handzzz!!
yumii
September 26, 2013 at 11:17 AM
@moonbean
It's the Tolstoy principle, "Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way." To mix my Russian and my German narrative theory, it is easier to write 'strum und drang' and make it interesting than to sustain several hours of unblighted happiness that would keep an audience attention. That is why almost all drama's end when conflicts are resolved and the path to happiness is clear. Except for p@rn. P@rn has no conflict and as a result, no story--or so I have been told.
But then I'm sure you know that, not about the p@rn, but about the Tolstoy principle. The only way to keep the story going once they are together, is to give them a mutual enemy to take down. [I suggest Aunty Pain *ducks to avoid the thrown shoes*]
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
September 26, 2013 at 4:10 PM
@Yumi - Joong-won's need to touch her actually began showing up well before the stabbing, he began initiating the touching as early as the episode with the ghost dog and got actively annoyed when she refused/pushed his hand away because she didn't need it just then.
The same thing happened in episode 7, he's the one leaning into her at the telescope/reaching to hold her face/her hands, and basically seeking skinship all the time, even unconsciously/under the guise of something else. By episode 9, he's pretty much forced to tuck his hands away to keep from touching her.
And I do agree, there should be more skinship! I liked the way our OTP always had full-body hugs and not backhugs.
Moonbean
September 26, 2013 at 6:56 PM
Yumi,
That was exactly my point. Writers do this because it's easier. And with mediocre writers that may be acceptable but I always have a hope that the ones held up as among the best in the industry should be able to do better.
Yes, every unhappy family is different in its own way and makes a more interesting story but that's for melodramas which I rarely watch! I watch romcom because I want a happy ending but all the things that come before that ending is important too.
And yes, I have been waiting for years for stories that have an eventually united couple take down mutual enemies for a change.
33 Dmko01
September 25, 2013 at 8:54 PM
Man, I hope this ends like "Best Love" where the OTPs end up happy together, making babies!
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Kim Yoonmi
September 25, 2013 at 9:14 PM
They promised "exchange of Yang" at the beginning... and a lift of the curse later, so they have to prove that much, I think.
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34 mother-may-I
September 25, 2013 at 8:55 PM
I don't dare speculate what Hana will do now that she has essentially been "cut loose" from JW but I will speculate that Chun-hee will ultimately be the reason that GS was in the coma for three years - maybe a relationship that she woke up from. I think that the physical body he is using might be "borrowed" and that is why he makes he comment "do you think she will recognize me".
However, I adored KW's reaction to finding out the coffee ghost was right next to him. That slow stiffening up and curling away reminds me of how a cat reacts to something offensive LOL
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Kim Yoonmi
September 25, 2013 at 9:05 PM
There was that alien thing planted before... maybe it'll come back, since she fainted on a mountain?
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yumii
September 25, 2013 at 9:16 PM
Wow--that would be some call back.
Wouldn't it be interesting if he were the one who believed in alien abduction she dated?
Can't be--because the victim of alien abduction did not believe in ghost and your new guys not only believes inbut talks to ghost.
Now I'm thinking that Tae-Yang's ability to see ghost wasn't a natural consequence of her being in a coma, but something deliberately done to her.
Gong-Ri's explanation of Tae-Yang's three years in the hospital suggest that whatever the issue was, it was something that modern medical practitioners weren't familiar with nor were they able to treat.
Maybe the new guy is a
Vampire
Werewolf
or (wait for it)
Gumiho
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Kim Yoonmi
September 25, 2013 at 9:27 PM
Isn't Lee Chun Hee Meta? He played the "master" in Cyrano... so I think it's a bit of an in-joke??? Her previous BF was also a "Master?"
Maybe a Master of Aliens? Haha.
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LizJ
September 26, 2013 at 7:18 AM
Noooooo...no last-minute Gumiho twists! It was stupid in Nail Shop Paris and would be a big distraction here.
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yumii
September 26, 2013 at 11:18 AM
I'm sure no Gumiho. Just typing late night nonsense.
35 antonia
September 25, 2013 at 8:55 PM
Thank you so much for the recap!!!
how much i loved that JW has his memory back, and how much i loved JW in this episode??? A BIG LOT
is a fact JW must be my favorite man ever!!!
how lovely and adorable could he be while in pain? he must not be fooled, he worked so hard to know the thruth, he couldn't remember GS but he felt he loves her anyway
i can't say enough how awesome was JW tonight, SJS you're great as always and i love you so much <333
happy to have secretary kim back
and Happy to see uncle VP helping JW
LOVE the scene where JW interrupted GS and the boyfriend
LOVE how JW totally ignored hana (who i'm sure it's not hana but Hee Joo) and how he said she's not the real thing HA
LOVE how JW hoped for GS to turn back so he can stick to her
LOOOOVE how he said he knows she can't live without him
i know i know i just LOOOOOVE JJW
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36 pleasureparthenon
September 25, 2013 at 8:56 PM
Chunderella is here! will Chunderella be GS ex-lover in her wandering days?
There is still no explanations why JW touch will keep GS from seeing ghosts. Maybe nearing the end there will be an answer to it.
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37 meanrice
September 25, 2013 at 8:57 PM
I can't not keep commenting.
Joong Won's digestion (no pun intended) of what Madam Go told him Gong Shil paid to have him brought back...i want to snatch Jeff Daniel's Emmy and give it to him. I was a sniffling buffoon for that entire scene. So Ji Sub...I wish I was an octopus so I could triple heart you (Octopi have three hearts).
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yumii
September 25, 2013 at 9:18 PM
and those 8 limbs would also be useful if you decided to hug him. Just saying. . .
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Redge
September 25, 2013 at 9:52 PM
i cackled. xD
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meanrice
September 26, 2013 at 8:44 PM
I like the way you think!!
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Crazynoona
September 25, 2013 at 10:29 PM
LOL
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Koi94
September 26, 2013 at 9:54 AM
omg...I never thought it would be appealing to become an octopus...but there you have it...sjs has the power to make you wanna be one! LOL!
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38 Mia
September 25, 2013 at 8:58 PM
I am so loving JW's lines this eps. I just can't help grinning and squeeling with all the feels! GS go show Hanna who's boss!
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39 Crazynoona
September 25, 2013 at 9:00 PM
In your face Han na!
I love love love this ep, how can a six pack cans of beer made me all teary ... darn it this show is SO good, gonna miss it badly when its over.
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40 zsa
September 25, 2013 at 9:01 PM
so sad they are not extending...16 plus one special...humphhh
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41 opheliadrowning
September 25, 2013 at 9:03 PM
Anyone else reading into it that Madam Go is essentially matchmaking Gong Shil and Joong Won? My shippiness radar was spinning whenever she came onscreen. She still gets what she wants--GS's help, but upon seeing the chemistry and pain and love between the two, what kind of matchmaker would she be to withhold information that might bring them back together?
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yumii
September 25, 2013 at 9:22 PM
Has anyone considered the possibility that Tae-Yang is essentially dead?
The reason she can see ghost is because she is dead?
That something happens in the time/space continuum and she was not able to finish her journey to the other plane and is perhaps in this world on borrowed time?
It's weird.
It's wild.
It would piss people off. . .
And while I don't agree it is likely, it did occur to me.
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newgirl
September 25, 2013 at 10:11 PM
OMG, I so hope you are wrong on this! They'd better not!
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yumii
September 26, 2013 at 1:14 AM
Don't worry--I get weird ideas late at night and they are always wrong!
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Nana
September 26, 2013 at 2:52 AM
@ Yumi..
i tried not to speculate too much this being a Hong sisters' drama - but earlier on i did consider this option but that would be too 49 Days and it would be weird with this being a rom-com and just imagine the wrath of K-drama watchers...
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PlumWine
September 26, 2013 at 9:40 AM
Agreed! Especially the wrath part... I don't even want to think about it!!
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Redge
September 25, 2013 at 9:56 PM
Yup, me too. This episode she had many instances where she noted our OTP's importance to each other and the fact that she easily divulged to JW the way to regaining his memory and telling him how GS gave herself up for him pretty much showed me she was on their side.
Tbh I don't know why a lot of people are hating on Madam Go, I think she's rather... harmless? In the sense that she's not going to be a big villain, that is.
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opheliadrowning
September 25, 2013 at 10:13 PM
Right, I think she is another one of the Hong sisters' subverted tropes. You would think that her role would be to take GS as sort of her "slave" in this deal, but no, she just wants an employee? And she has interacted with the two of them before--maybe she saw how they were thwarting their love for one another under metaphors and denials, and as a matchmaker, she sees this as a way to get them to admit to one another (and more important perhaps, to themselves--GS, are you listening?) that they love the other, and that it's BIG LOVE, too.
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42 Eva Lee
September 25, 2013 at 9:12 PM
My guess: Hanna & Hee Joo switch identities. Hanna, Secretary Kim's good niece feeling guilty about living the good life while Hee Joo is raised by thugs, agrees to the kidnapping plot based on some lies Hee Joo told her. Hee Joo, feeling guilty a little, changed her face because she's tired of looking at the person who was killed because of her, and she really did kind of love Joong Won, which is why she's been following him around all these years. Hanna, the ghost, still feels guilty about being reared in the better environment and she feels guilty about Joong Won being kidnapped and currently being tricked.
The new guy is why Tae Gong SHil was lost for three years. She had a relationship with the ghost seeing new guy and didn't want to come back.
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Funfair
September 25, 2013 at 9:50 PM
I had the same thought that the new ghost seeing guy actually cared for GS. His conversation with the coffee ghost was an expression of his concern ...wondering if they really broke up....concerned that she is not left alone...questioning if she will remember him. Coffee ghost was never ever one of the scary ghosts which is why she did not mind hanging out with him in her office and taking him out for coffee. GS never tried to get rid of coffee ghost unlike the others where she was focusing on completing their favors/request. I think the new ghost seeing guy - who is also tall, slender, and handsome - is the 3rd triangle that never materialized for KW. He was part of her 3 years wandering which is why she did not wake up and which is why she had to intervene so that JW would not spend years wandering like she did. JW was ready to walk through the door with 'one of the twins.' Don't forget he also 'looked fine' but he was not waking up per Mr. Cupid. GS sister stated that when they found her after 10 days of missing she 'looked fine' but would not wake up. The new ghost seeing guy is the lost from her past like HJ is the love from JW past except he is alive and now will seek her out since she is not dating JW any longer per his reliable and trusted cupid - coffee ghost.
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Agatha
September 26, 2013 at 12:06 AM
I actually published the same theory on the Friday Open Thread but I got ignored by everyone. Glad someone came to the same conclusion I did that the Twins switched places. But what I think happened was that the twins switched places before meeting Joong Won, and that he fell in love with Hanna and vice versa since Secretary Kim mentions how Hanna was really nice. But now Hee Joo has come back to take that one last thing that Hanna had and she didn't which was Joong Won's love, not that she is in love with him mind, but more as a last f-u to the world now, a "I got it all now".
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dramabliss
September 26, 2013 at 9:56 AM
I guess the reason why you got "ignored" on the OT last week was because the same theory was extensively discussed already in the MS thread.
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43 newgirl
September 25, 2013 at 9:20 PM
Love Love LOVE this show! So beautifully written, it hits all the right notes for me.
I especially like the way that SJS's character has developed over time, yet remains true to its' core. At first I thought SJS's acting was wooden, and a few episodes in I realized as he began to change, that no, it was the character Joong-Won that was wooden. And rather than change him into a different character after his near-death, the writers have him use his predominant character traits of calculation, skepticism, tenacity, and confidence to puzzle out the mystery of what TGS means to him. So satisfying to watch!
And until I saw this show, I hadn't really been impressed by any female K-Drama actors; Gong Hyo-jin should be a Korean National Treasure (if there is such a thing)! She's so natural and subtle in her acting, and evokes just the right amount of pathos and strength. I hope to see her in many more shows.
Okay, I've never been a fan-girl before, but this show is turning me into one!
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Michelle
September 25, 2013 at 10:00 PM
haha have you seen greatest love? thats a great example of her natural acting ability as well. and i asked if uve seen it cuz in that drama she was a part of a korean idol group called "national treasure girls" LOLOL so i thought u maybe purposely said that haha
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newgirl
September 25, 2013 at 10:27 PM
Michelle, I guess I'm subconciously brilliant! LOL! Yes I saw that, but had forgotten both that she was the lead in that show, and the name of the girls' group! I think I watched that show in a blitz of K-Drama and a blur of pain meds! Thanks!
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thursdaynexxt
September 26, 2013 at 7:37 AM
I know, that reference totally pinged my radar too!
Would be great if she sang the Du-geun Du-geun song to Joong-won - or even "Nobody nobody but you!"
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bbeth
September 26, 2013 at 10:13 AM
In an earlier episode, TGS did say "goo-jil goo jil" which means, something like grungy or dirty which is what DokkoJin used call Gu Ae Jong. I thought it was a subtle, cute call back.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
September 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM
SJS and GHJ are fabulous here, and even more fabulous together - that flash of hurt in his eyes when she said she was living well without him? MY HEART. That final, denial-filled close to the ep? WHOA.
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44 Mary
September 25, 2013 at 9:20 PM
Is it true that there will be actually 17 episodes?
Someone in Soompi mentioned that there will be only 16 episodes + a special featuring BTS and interviews.....
I hope not.....there is too much mysteries to be solved and romance to be build.....
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yumii
September 25, 2013 at 9:25 PM
Damn.
So disappointed.
I originally thought the +1 was a BTS, but when someone said they AGREED to a 1 episode extension, I thought it would be a scripted episode.
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Kim Yoonmi
September 25, 2013 at 9:36 PM
Hong Sisters hate extensions? Can you blame them? They've never done an extension before. Still feels like they did a rewrite anyway...
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yumii
September 25, 2013 at 10:57 PM
They could just write an episode where Tae-Yang reads for Joong-Won and they kiss, and then he reads some and they kiss.
Then ghosts try getting Tea-Yang's attention, but she wants to have a serious conversation with Joong-Won but they won't leave her alone and he's in the shower so he needs to drag her into the shower with him so the ghosts will disappear and she kisses him.
Then Tae-Yang is trying to talk to some ghosts who she's now friendly with, but Joong-Won wants her attention so he keeps touching her and making the ghosts disappear and she gets mad because she can't finish her conversation with her Caspers, so he kisses her
then . . . .. so they kiss
then . . . . so they kiss
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Moonbean
September 26, 2013 at 12:26 AM
That's what I'm talking about! If the show closes before these happen I will forever be mad for comas, amnesias, noble idiocies stealing time away from the cute and the happy and the sexy...
We deserve it, dammit!
PlumWine
September 26, 2013 at 9:47 AM
LoL! Yes!
pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
September 26, 2013 at 4:04 PM
I like the way you think. Can we take over from the Hong sisters to write that episode, or does it really have to be just wishful thinking?
But yes, THEY SHOULD KISS. They've earned it.
Crazynoona
September 25, 2013 at 10:18 PM
They keep on playing with my heart about the extention, first rumour about there will be an extention(s) but then they shut it, then on it again for 1 ep but then off it again with BTS only...well whatever, i am too happy about this show to be complaining about anything...
(well...there is ONE thing, it would be suuuper if they would give us a proper kiss scene. I read at soompi that the PD asked if its ok to do an open mouth kiss? and SJS asked that to GHJ - and i was like screaming to my laptop screen " YES DO THAT! MOVE THOSE LIPS!" but well..one could only dream.
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
September 26, 2013 at 4:02 PM
I've heard that apparently some kdrama crews know of and read the comments on here and even sometimes translate them into Korean for input, so if any of you Master's Sun crew members are reading this, LET YOUR LEADS HAVE AN OPEN MOUTHED KISS PLEASE!!! Their chemistry is so good, it'd be a shame if they didn't do it.
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yumii
September 26, 2013 at 11:24 AM
Despite my disappointment that there won't be an additional scripted episode, the interviews I've seen with SJS and GHJ have been very funny and charming. Also the BTS seen have also been interesting.
Not a great consolation prize, but better than an episode devoid of a reason to exist except to hold a place in line while the next drama prepares.
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45 tokkioncrack
September 25, 2013 at 9:22 PM
OMG
I have no words.
I just died...............
And then I got back up read the recap once more and died again........
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yumii
September 25, 2013 at 10:41 PM
In your death wanderings, did you see Tae-Yang? Is she really as shiny as everyone say or are they being hyperbolic?
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Altari
September 26, 2013 at 7:51 PM
lol
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46 lee
September 25, 2013 at 9:28 PM
I love that the comments are coming hard and furious! Lots of different perspectives which attest to the success of the writers in engaging the viewers' interest! Hope they can keep it up till the end.
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47 Alinka
September 25, 2013 at 9:32 PM
The scene where Joong Won bends his body to face Gong-shil in her seated position, that totally screams Secret Garden to me. It mirrors the scen of Joo won and Gil Ra Im when Joo Won also tries to regain his memory after the coma. Talk about similarities ;D
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dfl-123
September 25, 2013 at 11:06 PM
yes! I totally thought the same thing! (could also because I watched SeGa like >100 times)
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Alinka
September 25, 2013 at 11:12 PM
Well, you're not alone on that. SeGa's my first Korean drama. Despite its obvious flaws, I'm always 'back for more' as they say ;D
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Moonbean
September 26, 2013 at 12:29 AM
There has been similarities since the beginning but the amnesia plot strengthened them even more. The way Joon Won's initial reaction to having fallen for someone like Gong Shil was very familiar. His methods of jogging his memory through skinship as well!
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48 jennie
September 25, 2013 at 9:34 PM
thank thanks thanks!!!
Chun Hee really surprised me, I do wonder how he plays in this story esp now that he's gotten my attention and as for Hanna, I don't like her. Her character doesn't make sense, I keep waiting for her to do something bc the way Hee Joo looks at her, it's like she is planning someone big, but as the episode goes by Hanna is just taking up screen time with nothing useful to show. Same goes for Yi Ryong.
I wonder if Joong Won has his memory and I really HOPE HE DOES!!
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Kim Yoonmi
September 25, 2013 at 9:39 PM
TIR moves the story in much smaller ways. I love our Little Sun. A bit delusional, but she moves the story forward in her own subversive way.
In this episode she alerted KW of the fact that she saw the matchmaker and GS together, which moved JW to ask her the question (eventually through a chain of events).
Also made a jab that she's a bad actress, but has a lot of fame... I ship the second leads in this show... (together).
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pogo - sailing HMS Queen of Tears and HMS Sailboat Lovely Runner🍉
September 26, 2013 at 4:20 PM
Yi-ryung is funny, and serves as nice comic relief from heavier moments. I really like the way Kim Yuri is playing her, now - she's doing a great job.
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49 sophia
September 25, 2013 at 9:37 PM
oh plastic surgery...you fixer of all continuity problems. I love that JW totally shut her down when she tried to trick him into thinking that the necklace was special bc of her. DENIED HeeJoo-pretending-to-be-Hanna. DENIED.
It's not that I didn't like this episode. I just WANT MORE. it feels like they are already into extension mode with all the flashbacks to waste time.
New ghost seer = Gong Shil's boyfriend for 3 years while they were both in comas/ in the astral plane. He's going to show up and say- remember me? from when we were both sort of dead? we ran around for three years together? then we woke up and you forgot me? yah, i sent coffee ghost here to look out for you while i stalked you form afar. sorry if he's been a pest. please enjoy the show while your new boyfriend and i fight over you while looking awesome.
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Nana
September 26, 2013 at 12:19 AM
Hahahahaha. Hilarious!
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Moonbean
September 26, 2013 at 12:35 AM
I don't think plastic surgery was thrown in to fix continuity problems. It must have been planned since the beginning otherwise there is no logical explanation for why nobody recognizes Han Na as He Joo. 15 years doesn't change a person that much. Revealing my age here but when I went to my high school reunion after not seeing most of the people for ages there wasn't a single person I knew that I did not recognize. They all looked pretty much the same, but older.
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Moonbean
September 26, 2013 at 12:37 AM
PS: Also Han Na must have done surgery not because she disliked her face but because it was necessary for her plans (whatever they are) knowing how Joong Won would react to her if she showed up with her old face and identity.
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yumii
September 26, 2013 at 1:18 AM
Her surgery is also very off-trend.
What Korean give up a nice V-line for a more squarish face--not in anyway suggesting that Old twin is not as lovely as new twin.
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Glomp
September 26, 2013 at 1:54 AM
Yes, changing her face was necessary for her plans but I don't think it was the only reason. I think her dislike of her face was one of the reasons too. "Hanna" hated "Hee Joo". They were twins; they had the same faces, yet such different fates. One got adopted by a rich couple overseas while the other remained at the orphanage - all bitter and alone. It would make sense that she would hate sharing the same face as the dead "Hee Joo".
Of course, all the above explanation was made under the assumption that Hanna was the dead girl and Hee Joo took over her identity after the kidnapping.
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opheliadrowning
September 26, 2013 at 5:09 AM
Also, maybe she "hated her face" because it reminded her of the guilt she felt for basically killing her sister in her nefarious plans? Maybe that will give her some added depth, though I guess so far she seems pretty unrepentant in her evil, so I am probably wrong there!
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Ace
September 26, 2013 at 12:39 AM
Your last paragraph cracked me up. *snorting like crazy*
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50 noanao
September 25, 2013 at 9:38 PM
I fist pumped and silently scream and squealed so hard when JW told HN that it does look the same but you are not the real one. Kekekekekekeke! On ya face! Served you right!!
My take on HN is she's actually HJ. And her bitterness towards her twin was the fact that she was the brighter sunny person compared to her and the fact that after their parents' death, HN was adopted and she was left behind at the orphanage. Furthermore, I think during HN's visit at the orphanage, she got to meet JW, and I suspected the sisters were playing switch and eventually the switch gone wrong and JW fallen for HN who he thought was HJ all along. And during the kidnap case, I think JW said something to HJ that yes, you like HJ, but you are not the real one. I might not make any sense at this point but when present JW told HN after he painfully regain (?) his memories of GS that "It does look the same (necklace) but yours is not the real one" her reaction was of surprise and horror? It looked like those phrase had trigger a painful memory for HN/HJ... It make me curious if this is the case with HN, because it will take such a huge resentment to not even feel slightest remorse at her twin's death. And she hates her face that she's willing to change it, I think further solidifies that point. HJ hated HN for being the one who always being chosen by the foster parents and even JW (probably) that it drove her to do what she did... If all of these is true, she's such a pitiful character, but it still doesn't justify the death of her one and only kin and hurting other people in the process just to satisfy her pitiful cause.
Anyway, loving this episode. Has been repeating the last scene for 24584623566314x and made me late clocking in for work this morning :p
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Moonbean
September 26, 2013 at 12:47 AM
My theory is that both twins were in love with Joong Won (or the sweet dead one in love and the evil alive one obsessed if you like). The first time around Joong Won preferred sweet Han Na to evil Hee Joo - without realizing they are two people but he must have indicated with his behavior or words what he likes and if all those times were spent with the sweet one that would make evil Hee Joo envious of her twin and try to make both her and Joong Won suffer. So Han Na ends up dead, Joong Won believes she betrayed him. Both are unhappy. But it doesn't finish here. Evil Hee Joo plans to make a comeback 15 years later, when the statue of limitations or whatever it was called ends to get him. But what happens? Once again he prefers someone else to her!
That's my explanation for her smiling face after the accident that killed her twin, her ungenuine apology from her sister's ghost and the pain on her face at Joong Won's remark.
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yren
September 26, 2013 at 2:13 AM
i really really love your theory..(-;
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PlumWine
September 26, 2013 at 9:56 AM
Those are my thoughts exactly! Thanks, now I can read more instead of typing that out.
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dramabliss
September 26, 2013 at 10:06 AM
Just like to point out that the right term is "statute of limitations" -- thought it was a typo but saw it in several posts already that I couldn't help but comment.
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hydramirage
September 26, 2013 at 7:43 PM
ooh, looks like someone watched ep 15~
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hydramirage
September 26, 2013 at 7:44 PM
well, had a naccurate prediction of it at least. Saw the time stamp. :3 Brilliant deduction watson!
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Moonbean
October 2, 2013 at 12:09 AM
Thanks!