This is the greatest debate since Sarah Palin threw down with Tina Fey.

ah, javabeans has responded! i enjoyed reading that. i never quite got into My Love Patzzi because of its bland storyline, and the ending certainly didn't help.

looking forward to dahee fanel's post!

@ belleza:

Seconded. *munches popcorn*

peace people!!! just respect each other's opinion pls....

@ JB "But perhaps Patzzi’s greatest transgression is the ending, which shows just how wishy-washy this drama was because it couldn’t pick a side and stick to it. It tried to satisfy all sides and therefore disgruntled them all instead. This probably came because Kim Rae-won had so much charm that it almost ruined the drama by completely derailing the OTP — that is to say, the established lead pairing of Jang Nara with Kim Jae-won. But for the drama to end on such an ambiguous note shows a lack of confidence in its story. My Love Patzzi is ultimately so benign that it neuters itself."

I had NO IDEA KJW was supposed to be the lead male and OTP. NO IDEA AT ALL. I'm stunned. I watched MLP early on in my k-drama watching, came to it with no fore-knowledge and few expectations, and only b/c it had Kim Rae Won in it (I'd seen him in My LIttle Bride, but that was it). Honestly, it never occurred to me for a second he was not supposed to get the girl. And I was little annoyed by how much screen time KJW was getting. I couldn't understand how the ending, the OTP consummation with KRW, wasn't stronger. Wow. I'm just stunned.

@4 vicsky... know that these peeps are friends and just like to toss around their
opinions out there... this is done for fun... and I'm having a blast reading y'all's post!
thanks for uplifting my dreary afternoon... too much rain and so I'm pretty much trapped @ home...

Just had a 'tornado warning' and this is Garden Grove, CA...
what the heck is going on?!?!??!

Samsooki & Javabeans, Hwaiting!!!!

Hmmm, soooo....what's next to argue over?

I like watching good debates. I love well written, thought out, snarky debates on pretty much anything. Thanks for some very fun reading this afternoon. Since it's titled Rebuttal #1 can I expect 2 more from the others to whom the gauntlet was thrown? Please say yes...

To watch or not to watch. Is MLP somewhat similar to My Sister-in-law's 19 which KJW also happens to be in?

Oh good, I'm not the only one who was confused on the whole OTP thing. The initial setup definitely made KJW seem like the primary male, but then KRW started getting more screen time and it's like the drama lost what little decisiveness it had.

@Samsooki

How does she choose KRW? I never watched the ending, but everything I've ever read or heard about it says that she's indecisive and doesn't pick either of them. Do you have concrete evidence to support your claim?

@9 momosan

To be sure, MLP doesn't warrant a spot on the same bottom-10 list as, say, One Fine Day (THAT is a hideous mess of a drama, with the only redeemable quality being the darling, thankfully spine-having secondary male, whom I would gladly marry in real life), but that doesn't mean I'd recommend it to anyone, even for a rainy weekend at the beach with a bucket of popcorn. Perhaps if it was the last drama on earth, but if that were true I'd be too busy crying my eyes out and then trying to fix that situation than to bother rewatching MLP.

MLP would probably be on my bottom-20 list, though.

Ending sequence, let's all watch and decide what *really* happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMctTp3jUvI&feature=related

BTW, the subs en espanol are hilarious!

All through the entire drama I thought the OTP was JNR and KRW, only later here at DB did I realize it was the other way around. Weird chemistry.

I have to semi-agree with you. I thought the ending was complete shit...I actually said...why the hell did I watch this then? It's a pet peeve of mine when endings are well...open-ended. I actually thought Jang Nara was ADORABLE in the beginning of this but then she just got stupider... >.< It was something I enjoyed watching but I don't think I could ever watch it again.

"(1) Sneaky Samsooki, don’t try to discredit me by saying my taste is too “high-end” to appreciate My Love Patzzi"
As much as I enjoy My Love Patzzi and appreciated Samsooki taking up its banner, I was pretty disappointed in this choice of a leading argument. I mean. We're the debating the merits of a drama. Was it really necessary to throw barbed comments like that into the mix? So, good on you, javabeans, for not letting that one slide.

Folks seem to be up in arms about your choice of the word "lightweight" and its implications. Myself, I think I enjoyed it as much as I did *because* of that quality--because it didn't have some do-or-die situation hanging over anyone's heads, there wasn't some all-encompassing dire event to angst things up unnecessarily. (Well, except for that illness thing at the end. It probably says a lot about my drama-viewing attitude that I could only sigh and roll my eyes and say "Well. I guess they couldn't let one slide by without doing *something* like that.") Maybe I liked it so much because I happened to come into MLP direct from a creepy-as-all-get-out angst-fest emotional rollercoaster and found it a nice opportunity to catch my breath. Or maybe I liked it because I felt like the tone and toned-down events of the drama fit well with the main characters, who I felt were played with a deft touch of honesty and naturalness. Or maybe I liked it because I appreciated the ending not consisting of a hugely stressful build-up followed by a somewhat satisfying "Oh wow, that was tense, but now it's okay, and at least they're paired as they should be, so oh well, the end." The ending, I mean to say, felt in-line with the rest of the show--somewhat laidback, nothing to get worked up about, but here are the people and here is how they interact with everyone and each other, and isn't this nice, we can all get along and there is no bloodlust or overwhelming jealousy or obsession and we're all moving on like normal, well-adjusted adults do.

At any rate, it happily happened to be a good fit for me.

But enough about me.

You know what I'd really like? I'd really like for this debate to end as casually as cutely as My Love Patzzi did. Maybe Mrs. Samsooki can fling her arms around your and Samsooki's shoulders and you all can laughingly and nicely tease one another and agree to disagree, to a fade-out for the credits to roll.

@Kristen:

"Was it really necessary to throw barbed comments like that into the mix?"

I think you read that in the wrong way. JB and Samsookie have a good relationship with eachother. That statement JB made to Samsookie was much lighter than how you're reading it.

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Well we sure don't get these types of posts on Dramabeans often, lol. I wonder if we'll be getting more debate posts on Dramabeans often?

Anyways, sorry Samsookie, but I'm on JB's side. MLP is the type of drama you can watch only if you have a remote control in your hand to FF.

It doesn't matter who Jang Nara picks, the ending was utterly unsatisfying.

@11 ockoala

............................................I could barely sit through those 10 minutes. D:

I'm going to wait for Samsooki or someone fluent in Korean to give me their interpretation of that scene, because my minimal Korean still leaves me with the impression that she's indecisive and obnoxious and doesn't deserve either of them.

I've realized how some of these so-called "strong" female leads are only obnoxious and mean (whether it's unintentionally or due to a misunderstanding) to their one true ally, and always fall pray to the real evil ones. I find that most of characters like that turn out really annoying instead.

Uh.. I have no reason to be here really. I have never watched this before. LOL Nor am I planning to.

Pointless comment is pointless.

Kind of make me wonder which drama changes forever the future OTP of kdrama? Prince charming never gets the girl.

Yes, I enjoy high-quality, artistic offerings and I love throwing in a mania drama here and there into the mix, but I like ‘em mainstream, commercial, and popular, too.

See, this is why I read your site religiously! :)

I've gotta say, though, I'm with Samsooki on this one. Jang Nara won me over in Patzzi and besides the blah ending that left a bad taste in my mouth, I enjoyed the drama.

mmm.....good Samsooki vs Javabeans debate!!! ^_^

I kinda like this drama for it's light funny atmosphere...

I like JNR, is so adorable! and both male actors are cute...^_^

But I have to agree with Javabeans... JNR's character gets annoying sometimes, the ending isnt really great either.... there are loopholes...but over all, the drama is entertaining enough for me to watch...

I'm with you Java, thanks for the post!
Now, waiting for Dahee answer, this is quite interesting!

I'm not interested in MLP as a whole and probably will never watch it, but I did enjoy both posts *waiting for dahee's* and thank you for putting this argument out. I really like it and hope that you guys can "battle" it out more often? :)

wow - so is dahee up next?

if it's true that boys tease the girl they like, and i (THINK) girls also tease or fight or hit the boy they like, then it seems that jang nara would end up with KRW

however, looking at the last scene, it looks like they all stay friends...

and i think if they all stay as friends, THAT upsets the usual kdrama trope where the girl ends up with a guy (or any guy)

i felt that in Hotelier, the lead girl (forgot her name) doesn't end up with the main guy, which i think is kim seung woo. instead, she ends up with bae yong joon, who seems to be more like second fiddle to me

Honestly, I have not sat through this drama, for some reason Jang Nara's acting style bothers and annoys me to no end. Whenever, I see Jang Nara in the cast no matter how interesting the plot I simply can not watch it, I find her that annoying. I tried watching because I find KRW completely endearing as an actor and lets be real he is awfully nice to watch.

LOL JB, samsooki, you guys made a very epic debate :D although, i'm sorry to say samsooki, i agree with JB. i'm a drama lover and i honestly don't have high standards for dramas, but i think My Love Patzzi wasn't that good. I liked it, but it didn't really leave an impression on me...

I started watching MLP only last week...solely on the recommendation that it was a watchable romantic comedy (nothing else). I lasted five episodes before I skipped to the end. I could not stand the lead actress. As much as I love Kim Rae Won, he barely shines. And the ending, I actually thought, "Wow, the guys are a more likable couple together than either of them with the lead girl."

0_o I always thought KRW was the main lead in My Love Patzzi.

Today is just filled with revelations! I was so shocked that Samsooki is a male and married that I didn't even know how to proceed. My space and time continuum is greatly affected.

@ momosan

"Shin Woo Law of the Airport – if the girl doesn’t get on the plane with you, you’ve been dumped for the other guy"

Word. Except it was worse in YB, Shin-woo got PWNED by a pig-rabbit, which as we all know, regardless of its uber-cuteness, is in fact an inanimate object! Which is what SW was at times anyways, so it was a fair fight.

As to the MLP ending - she picked Rae-won, but only as a punching buddy (did you see her wailing on him left and right), but Jae-won still made her heart flutter and she flirted with him. Ergo, she didn't pick, and if the drama gods have any sense of justice - the Kim Wons should go off together, as they sorta did in the ending.

SPOILER
@kender: I know you addressed the question to samsooki but on my own opinion jnr chose krw when jnr chose not to join kjw abroad but stayed in Korea (or in the amusement park) :)

loved the debate guys ^^ anyway I remember watching My Love Patzzi way back and though at first I didn't liked Jang Na-ra's character at all since I found her annoying at first but at the end I started to like her because she's true to herself and really speaks what she wants...sorry I can't give a reasonable comment since I haven't rewatched this in years, I've seen it way back when I was still watching Nonstop2 with Jang Na-ra as well...didn't also realize that Kim Rae-won was the second male lead here, I think it's because Kim Jae-won was more in demand then before Kim Rae-won rose to fame via Attic Cat (that's another story anyways)...but I think the drama is enjoyable, to me that is..

THE PROBLEM with Patzzi. was that all the charterers where 1 dimensional.
That makes for a boring drama

Huh. Now I'm tempted to watch it. XD

Sorry, Samsooki -
but I'm going to have to go with Clan MacJAVA on this one.
JNR did not end up with either guy (in a romantic sense).

@ momosan
"as the Axis generals learned, a 2 front war is bad enough, a 3 front war …..well, that’s worse than a 3 humidifier heart transplant needing birth secret cheabol twin with pneumonia and amnesia"

LMAO!!!! :P

@ JB
"My Love Patzzi is ultimately so benign that it neuters itself.

ROFL! :P
*note to self* - gonna have to work that one in on a future OT as OTLofW ->
"____ is ultimately so benign that it neuters itself." Hahaha

Completely agree about the ending of MLP - it wasn't the first drama I watched KRW in, so like everyone else, I was expecting him to get the girl - except I realised, midway through the drama, that...KJW was supposed to be the OTP.

Still, I had hopes that KRW would eventually flip it around and since that never happened (and JNR NEVER MADE A CHOICE ARGH) I was, well, unsatisfied. I really thought they should have just both walked off and not stop for her. (The ending made me a little spiteful. Sorry.)

That said, MLP was an easy watch, even with the frustrating ending (although you will NEVER convince me to pick it up again). I do like JNR, especially in some of her other dramas (she did a cross-country one with China & Taiwan, which I enjoyed) and I love both KRW and KJW, but I don't think MLP is one of their best offerings.

Certainly, I could point out more than a few dramas in which they've (individually) acted in that have more depth (and sometimes, more comedy, fun, and romance) in them.

this debate really brightens the gloomy weather here in Philly. It's just way too amusing to see JB and SK throwing glares at each other (in a good-natured sense) while some fans were poking in, being so confused "who is the lead of this drama?" LOL

LOL! I was also one of the many people who thought KRW was the lead until someone mentioned it in passing on an OT or some other post long ago that KJW was the lead. Definitely WTH? moment. Was the drama for the most part enjoyable? Yes. But the ambiguous ending was frustrating (I was like that can't be the end right?) and so was JNR's character. I just couldn't connect with her emotionally and her back and forth relationship w/the guys was annoying. I was like pick somebody already!

On Sweet 18...I would actually rate that a much better drama than MLP because HJH and LDG had really good chemistry IMO. Sure it dragged and was somewhat cliche. But there wasn't heavy melodrama and how the relationship between the two unfolded was cute. I also wonder whether people's preference for MLP might correlate with when they watched it during their kdrama viewing lifespan. I know that if this had been one of the first kdramas I've seen, I wouldn't have had as many issues with it and probably would've enjoyed it more.

Thanks for the rebuttal JB!

@ 32 momosan

"JB, I’ll invoke the Shin Woo Law of the Airport – if the girl doesn’t get on the plane with you, you’ve been dumped for the other guy. "

LOL! Perfect, and very true. The airport moment is the Moment of Truth.

Oh gosh. I feel bad now because I actually like this drama...

Sure it's no Coffee Prince but it had this weird charming, addictive pull for me. This was like a kdrama crack that I reveled in. But don't forget that this drama was made like what? 8 years ago? It's not a high budget piece either. Even now, MLP to me gives off that nostalgic feeling of an old romcom in which it was more com than rom.

@ 34 Gems -

"Today is just filled with revelations! I was so shocked that Samsooki is a male and married that I didn’t even know how to proceed. My space and time continuum is greatly affected."

Deep breath. And don't eat/drink while reading (as Momosan points out above)--dangerous! It's a rollercoaster of emotions here.